Qur'an burned at Ground Zero on 9/11

[hanso]

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Here we go. Joe the plumber?

[TripleSkeet]

More like Joe the moron. "I chose to Maplethorpe the Quran." What the fuck does that even mean? I dont even think this idiot knows. Why would this whole crew of people follow this attention whoring faggot around anyway? He burned like 3 pieces of paper.

[PapaBear]

More like Joe the moron. "I chose to Maplethorpe the Quran." What the fuck does that even mean?
Maybe he was implying that since Maplethorpe was gay, he'd "flame" the book. Still... If that's his meaning, that's a pretty obscure name to bring up to reference "flaming".

[hanso]

I missed the Maplethorpe part. Freedom of expression is all I could gather they heard him say.

[PapaBear]

I missed the Maplethorpe part. Freedom of expression is all I could gather they heard him say.
I guess that's more the idea, since he was an icon for freedom of expression.

[Suspect Chin]

Wow photojournalists really are the worst people on Earth. Where the hell did they all come from on such short notice?

Where did all the cops disappear to at the end of the video? Did they just escort him for a couple blocks and then dump him off?

[hanso]

Looks set up don't it?

[StanUpshaw]

Hey Goober, why'd you burn the Koran, Goober?
Who the fuck is Mapplethorpe, Goober?
Goober, was that a Borders price tag on your Koran?
Could you look any more like walking bread dough, Goober?

[pennington]

Why would this whole crew of people follow this attention whoring faggot around anyway?

For the same reason we have a thread about it?

[StanUpshaw]

For the same reason we have a thread about it?

You're right. I think the whole world's addicted to the drama; only attracted to things that will bring the trauma.

[Dudeman]

People in afganastan watching this on youtube are thinking...

a) i guess we didn't "win" 9/11
b) i'm going to join al-queda
c) PIMB

[hanso]

Maybe it's from some stupid tv show.

[PapaBear]

People in afganastan watching this on youtube are thinking...

a) i guess we didn't "win" 9/11
b) i'm going to join al-queda
c) PIMB
d) Googling "Mapplethorpe"

[StanUpshaw]

People in afganastan watching this on youtube are thinking...

a) i guess we didn't "win" 9/11
b) i'm going to join al-queda
c) PIMB

d) Since when did our goat shack get wifi?

[keithy_19]

I'm glad I spent today going to 9/11 memorial and looking out at where the Trade Centers once stood, accompanied by a group of people who were very solemn.

[sailor]

I guess that's more the idea, since he was an icon for freedom of expression.

maybe he saw it as some sort of edgy "art"?

[Snacks]

This guy is the man! Not because I agree with burning the Quran but because he gave zero comments to the media. I hate everything about the news/media. They are such scumbags and every story they do is always a "gotcha" type of story. I never understand why anyone ever talks to the media other then public officials. You are giving them free information that their networks and everyone else makes money off of and you get nothing but the potential for them to edit and whatever they want with it.

I love how he just walks away while the vultures are screaming at him and following him. The way they push and shove to try to get the story! The best part of what he did was continue the display of shit bags the media is!

Now on to the topic of what he did. He has every right to burn the book. Just like I think the mosque has every right to be at park 51. When we try to change and take away freedoms we change what this country is about. I hate religion but every one has the right to practice theirs. I would never burn a bible, quran or an American Flag but I will always defend the freedom of doing so even if I dont agree!

[dino_electropolis]

this guys is great. Should have burned the whole thing, IMHO.

But loved the way he handled those vultures.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

NJ Transit fires man who burned Koran.

If he was on camera burning an American flag which I support someones right to do, I wonder if he would have gotten the axe for that.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/14/2010-09-14_koran_burner_derek_fenton_fired_from_his_job_at _nj_transit.html

[Dude!]

NJ Transit fires man who burned Koran.

If he was on camera burning an American flag which I support someones right to do, I wonder if he would have gotten the axe for that.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/14/2010-09-14_koran_burner_derek_fenton_fired_from_his_job_at _nj_transit.html


he won't need a job
after the massive lawsuit
he will and should file
and will and should win

[angrymissy]

He won't win that lawsuit.

Most companies have a code of conduct that you have to follow even when off the job.

If he got bad publicity for burning an American Flag, he probably would have been shitcanned too.

[Dudeman]

he won't need a job
after the massive lawsuit
he will and should file
and will and should win

Don't you people hate lawyers... "they're destroying america." But when it comes to threatening to sue someone, they have no problem doing that. Ah the beauty of hipocrasy.

[Kevin]

He won't win that lawsuit.

Most companies have a code of conduct that you have to follow even when off the job.

If he got bad publicity for burning an American Flag, he probably would have been shitcanned too.

Keep your silly logic and truth out of these political threads....

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lets see if his union backs him up on this. Probably not

[StanUpshaw]

Don't you people hate lawyers... "they're destroying america." But when it comes to threatening to sue someone, they have no problem doing that. Ah the beauty of hipocrasy.

hmmm

[Dude!]

Don't you people hate lawyers... "they're destroying america." But when it comes to threatening to sue someone, they have no problem doing that. Ah the beauty of hipocrasy.

i hate ambulance-chasing lawyers
that advertise on tv like the awful
bald jew who wears the cowboy hat

the ACLU says this guy has a case...
an off-hours company code of conduct
does not trump the first amendment

same thing if he burned a flag

[Dudeman]

bald jew who wears the cowboy hat



?

[Dude!]

?

you don't know this fool?



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[Serpico1103]

He won't win that lawsuit.

Most companies have a code of conduct that you have to follow even when off the job.

If he got bad publicity for burning an American Flag, he probably would have been shitcanned too.

I think the code is only applied when the off-duty conduct can be shown to have an impact on their job performance: teachers doing drugs; teachers engaging in immoral, but not illegal activity; police officers involved in hate groups; etc.

If he was a cop, NJ could say this shows he will be intolerant to Muslims on the job. I don't know if NJ transit can make the same argument. They probably should have suspended him with pay, tried to get an apology out of him, and waited until the ADD media moved on.

[Kevin]

I think the code is only applied when the off-duty conduct can be shown to have an impact on their job performance: teachers doing drugs; teachers engaging in immoral, but not illegal activity; police officers involved in hate groups; etc.

If he was a cop, NJ could say this shows he will be intolerant to Muslims on the job. I don't know if NJ transit can make the same argument. They probably should have suspended him with pay, tried to get an apology out of him, and waited until the ADD media moved on.



Fair points..

But can they argue its still a public service job..

What does he do there, does he hire or train people?

If so, his views can lead to discrimination against Muslims.

I'm just asking, I don't know.

[Serpico1103]

Fair points..
But can they argue its still a public service job..
What does he do there, does he hire or train people?
If so, his views can lead to discrimination against Muslims.
I'm just asking, I don't know.

I would have to do research, which I don't want to do, for all the answers.
He is an assistant conductor or something like that.
Since his act wasn't necessarily a hateful act , like being a member of KKK, his actions might be tolerated.
He was making a symbolic gesture. He wasn't calling for the death or attack of Muslims. He was merely protesting a construction project.
Also, he wasn't in uniform and made no mention of his position in NJ transit. Police officers have been fired because they wore their uniform in porno spreads or while engaging in other immoral behavior. He never brought NJ transit into the protest.

[sailor]

Was he even protesting the construction? I thought it was more a freedom of speech thing.

If he was in the private sector I would think he could be let go for anything. People get fired all the time for posting seemingly innocuous shit on facebook. I don't know how it works with a public sector job, but I'd think they'd need cause.

[angrymissy]

I think the code is only applied when the off-duty conduct can be shown to have an impact on their job performance: teachers doing drugs; teachers engaging in immoral, but not illegal activity; police officers involved in hate groups; etc.

If he was a cop, NJ could say this shows he will be intolerant to Muslims on the job. I don't know if NJ transit can make the same argument. They probably should have suspended him with pay, tried to get an apology out of him, and waited until the ADD media moved on.

At my company (and my prior company), it doesn't have to affect your job performance. If you bring unnecessary bad publicity to the company, you could get canned. It happened at a Fortune 500 company I used to work at when some idiot high level exec gave an interview about the economy and how she had to "cut back" on her gardener and shit like that. It caused a shitstorm in the local paper and she was listed as an employee of the company. She got demoted.

[angrymissy]

Was he even protesting the construction? I thought it was more a freedom of speech thing.

If he was in the private sector I would think he could be let go for anything. People get fired all the time for posting seemingly innocuous shit on facebook. I don't know how it works with a public sector job, but I'd think they'd need cause.

I'm gonna guess he probably has a pretty detailed employee handbook if he's in the public sector, and I'm also gonna guess that NJTransit wouldn't have let him go without consulting with their lawyers and making sure they could cover their asses against a lawsuit.

[Serpico1103]

I'm gonna guess he probably has a pretty detailed employee handbook if he's in the public sector, and I'm also gonna guess that NJTransit wouldn't have let him go without consulting with their lawyers and making sure they could cover their asses against a lawsuit.

May not be most up to date rulings, but I think it is still valid. (http://www.rbs2.com/freespch.htm)

The Court has rejected for decades now the proposition that a public employee has no right to a government job and so cannot complain that termination violates First Amendment rights, a doctrine once captured in Justice Holmes' aphorism that although a policeman "may have a constitutional right to talk politics ... he has no constitutional right to be a policeman," McAuliffe v. Mayor of New Bedford, 155 Mass. 216, 220, 29 N.E. 517 (1892). A State may not condition public employment on an employee's exercise of his or her First Amendment rights. [citations omitted]
O'Hare Truck Service, Inc. v. City of Northlake, 518 U.S. 712, 716-717 (1996).

NJ's lawyer's need not be sure "they could cover their asses against a lawsuit", only that they feel a lawsuit is preferred to continued employment of him.
The guy seemed like a dick, but he should win. They need to show a real connection between him burning two pages of the Koran and not being able to perform his job.

[TripleSkeet]

At my company (and my prior company), it doesn't have to affect your job performance. If you bring unnecessary bad publicity to the company, you could get canned. It happened at a Fortune 500 company I used to work at when some idiot high level exec gave an interview about the economy and how she had to "cut back" on her gardener and shit like that. It caused a shitstorm in the local paper and she was listed as an employee of the company. She got demoted.

Heres the thing though....until they fired him I didnt see one mention of him working for NJ transit. They brought the publicity onto themselves.

[spoon]

I'm gonna guess he probably has a pretty detailed employee handbook if he's in the public sector, and I'm also gonna guess that NJTransit wouldn't have let him go without consulting with their lawyers and making sure they could cover their asses against a lawsuit.

May not be most up to date rulings, but I think it is still valid. (http://www.rbs2.com/freespch.htm)


NJ's lawyer's need not be sure "they could cover their asses against a lawsuit", only that they feel a lawsuit is preferred to continued employment of him.
The guy seemed like a dick, but he should win. They need to show a real connection between him burning two pages of the Koran and not being able to perform his job.

Heres the thing though....until they fired him I didnt see one mention of him working for NJ transit. They brought the publicity onto themselves.

Basically he showed intolerance toward one religion, regardless of what caused it, which can in itself be the deciding factor. It would have been fine to protest anything in an ethical fashion, but let's be honest here, it was an aggressive approach to protesting and he was loving all the stupid attention it gave him. I just don't get how stupid people are by not thinking these things out. Yet I'm sure they'll settle to put it to bed and more people will see this as a way to early retirement. I think the state has all the right in the world to fire someone based on their set code of conduct. In any company, especially those run by the state/country, we all have sat through the painful HR initiations pretty much spelling out that certain things will not be tolerated based simply on public perception and said company's desire to remain clear of unwanted bad press.

[TripleSkeet]

Basically he showed intolerance toward one religion, regardless of what caused it, which can in itself be the deciding factor. It would have been fine to protest anything in an ethical fashion, but let's be honest here, it was an aggressive approach to protesting and he was loving all the stupid attention it gave him. I just don't get how stupid people are by not thinking these things out. Yet I'm sure they'll settle to put it to bed and more people will see this as a way to early retirement. I think the state has all the right in the world to fire someone based on their set code of conduct. In any company, especially those run by the state/country, we all have sat through the painful HR initiations pretty much spelling out that certain things will not be tolerated based simply on public perception and said company's desire to remain clear of unwanted bad press.

Thats one of the biggest problems out there right now in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, I think this guy is a complete moron. But there he is, on his day off, not in uniform or in any way, shape or form representing his job, doing something he believes is right. Hes not breaking any laws, hes not injuring any people, and hes not resisting or arguing with authority. In my opinion the state has no right to fire this guy.

Everyone keeps mentioning bad press. But the negative press was all toward the indiviual, not NJ transit. By firing him they bring their name into the conversation.

I just think many companies overstep what should be boundaries to protect peoples rights. The whole firing people for what they post on Facebook really fucking bothers me. I just believe that as an employer you have no right to tell people what they should say or how they should act when they are not on the clock. When I work my bosses have my loyalty and dedication until I punch that clock out. Then its back to my life, where Im supposed to be my own boss and they shouldnt be able to even give their fucking opinion on how I run it. Its a bad direction this country is going with the shit they let employers get away with. A direction that punishes free thinking and expression. Its pretty sad and pathetic.

[StanUpshaw]

Thats one of the biggest problems out there right now in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, I think this guy is a complete moron. But there he is, on his day off, not in uniform or in any way, shape or form representing his job, doing something he believes is right. Hes not breaking any laws, hes not injuring any people, and hes not resisting or arguing with authority. In my opinion the state has no right to fire this guy.

Everyone keeps mentioning bad press. But the negative press was all toward the indiviual, not NJ transit. By firing him they bring their name into the conversation.

I just think many companies overstep what should be boundaries to protect peoples rights. The whole firing people for what they post on Facebook really fucking bothers me. I just believe that as an employer you have no right to tell people what they should say or how they should act when they are not on the clock. When I work my bosses have my loyalty and dedication until I punch that clock out. Then its back to my life, where Im supposed to be my own boss and they shouldnt be able to even give their fucking opinion on how I run it. Its a bad direction this country is going with the shit they let employers get away with. A direction that punishes free thinking and expression. Its pretty sad and pathetic.

I totally agree that it's a sad state of affairs when you have to choose between speech and employment. Of course, it's only like this because SO many people are willing to surrender their rights. People need to stand up for themselves -- they can't fire everyone.

That said, the times that I've heard about people getting fired for stuff on Twitter, it's usually because they're talking shit about the company, revealing shit they shouldn't, or dunking their balls in the pickles.

[dino_electropolis]

you don't know this fool?



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Indiana Schwartz.

Cant stand this douche.

[Serpico1103]

Basically he showed intolerance toward one religion, regardless of what caused it, which can in itself be the deciding factor. It would have been fine to protest anything in an ethical fashion, but let's be honest here, it was an aggressive approach to protesting and he was loving all the stupid attention it gave him. I just don't get how stupid people are by not thinking these things out. Yet I'm sure they'll settle to put it to bed and more people will see this as a way to early retirement. I think the state has all the right in the world to fire someone based on their set code of conduct. In any company, especially those run by the state/country, we all have sat through the painful HR initiations pretty much spelling out that certain things will not be tolerated based simply on public perception and said company's desire to remain clear of unwanted bad press.

The supreme court overruled cases based on the "you have a constitutional right to speech, but you don't have a constitutional right to your job" rationale.

Private companies have greater latitude than the state. He has a solid case, having calmly burned a couple of pages of the Koran.

[spoon]

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[spoon]

The supreme court overruled cases based on the "you have a constitutional right to speech, but you don't have a constitutional right to your job" rationale.

Private companies have greater latitude than the state. He has a solid case, having calmly burned a couple of pages of the Koran.

It has gone both ways, but we truly are losing freedoms via our jobs versus our government over the years. This seems to incorporate both in one nice package.

[Bob Impact]

I think the code is only applied when the off-duty conduct can be shown to have an impact on their job performance: teachers doing drugs; teachers engaging in immoral, but not illegal activity; police officers involved in hate groups; etc.

If he was a cop, NJ could say this shows he will be intolerant to Muslims on the job. I don't know if NJ transit can make the same argument. They probably should have suspended him with pay, tried to get an apology out of him, and waited until the ADD media moved on.

At my company (and my prior company), it doesn't have to affect your job performance. If you bring unnecessary bad publicity to the company, you could get canned. It happened at a Fortune 500 company I used to work at when some idiot high level exec gave an interview about the economy and how she had to "cut back" on her gardener and shit like that. It caused a shitstorm in the local paper and she was listed as an employee of the company. She got demoted.
Same here, code of conduct covers everything public, including political/any public demonstration.

[Crispy123]

Same here, code of conduct covers everything public, including political/any public demonstration.

Why would we accept this policy from a private company much less a public entity??? BS unless he wore or said something explicitly pertaining to said company, which from what I understand, he didn't.

[TripleSkeet]

Same here, code of conduct covers everything public, including political/any public demonstration.

So that means that companies can fire employees that are caught protesting things like abortion or military wars also? Yea that sounds like the America I grew up in. Oh wait...

[Bob Impact]

Why would we accept this policy from a private company much less a public entity??? BS unless he wore or said something explicitly pertaining to said company, which from what I understand, he didn't.
Then don't. I will... that was easy.

So that means that companies can fire employees that are caught protesting things like abortion or military wars also? Yea that sounds like the America I grew up in. Oh wait...

There's some limitations in my policy based on the idea of "inflammatory" actions so if you were to attend a demonstration you would probably be fine, in this case the guy would definitely be gone

[SatCam]

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/counterprots.jpg

[Serpico1103]

Simple test for 1st amendment rights and employment. (http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/employpunishment.html)

If he was a private sector employee, he would have no case.

As a public employee, they need to prove that his "protest", on a matter of public concern, affects the workplace. I think he has a strong case. How much of NJ's revenue will now be spent on this case?

[spoon]

What revenue?

[Jujubees2]

NJ Transit was right to can Koran-burning creep Derek Fenton, says Gov. Chris Christi (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/16/2010-09-16_christie_njtransit_right_to_can_koranburn_creep .html)

And please stop with this first amendment crap. He wasn't arrested or fined for doing what he did. Just fired.

[StanUpshaw]

Fired by a public entity.

[midwestjeff]

Fired by a public entity.

BURN!!!

[Contra]

I guess working in a state where workers have no rights has its advantages. I never have to worry about things like this

[Barnaby Jones]

Fired by a public entity.

How is that stifling his free speech? He can go burn all the Korans he wants to!

[Justice4all]

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Gay Movie.
Gay Actor.
Not surprising Spoon likes it.:tongue:

With everything happening between the NJ Transit worker and the Qur'an being burned I see alot of major implications happening in the court systems coming soon.
I think the NJ transit guy should not have been fired. ONLY if he was burning the book while still in his uniform. If not...NJ Transit doesn't have a say in dictating what his beliefs are whether they agree or not.

[TripleSkeet]

NJ Transit was right to can Koran-burning creep Derek Fenton, says Gov. Chris Christi (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/16/2010-09-16_christie_njtransit_right_to_can_koranburn_creep .html)

And please stop with this first amendment crap. He wasn't arrested or fined for doing what he did. Just fired.

Fired for doing something completely legal on his own time, nowhere near his job. Sorry, his union really needs to step the fuck up for this guy.

[sailor]

Fired for doing something completely legal on his own time, nowhere near his job. Sorry, his union really needs to step the fuck up for this guy.

not all that different from firing someone for not voting for the acceptable candidate.

[Jujubees2]

Fired by a public entity.

I don't he has a constitutional right to work for a public entity. He does have a constitutional right to free speech.

I work at a university that says I can't date students. If I do, I get fired. Now I have the right to date a student but I would pay the consequences if I did. he had the right to burn the Koran but he also has to pay the consequences.

[Serpico1103]

I don't he has a constitutional right to work for a public entity. He does have a constitutional right to free speech.

I work at a university that says I can't date students. If I do, I get fired. Now I have the right to date a student but I would pay the consequences if I did. he had the right to burn the Koran but he also has to pay the consequences.

The Court has rejected for decades now the proposition that a public employee has no right to a government job and so cannot complain that termination violates First Amendment rights, a doctrine once captured in Justice Holmes' aphorism that although a policeman "may have a constitutional right to talk politics ... he has no constitutional right to be a policeman," McAuliffe v. Mayor of New Bedford, 155 Mass. 216, 220, 29 N.E. 517 (1892). A State may not condition public employment on an employee's exercise of his or her First Amendment rights. [citations omitted]
O'Hare Truck Service, Inc. v. City of Northlake, 518 U.S. 712, 716-717 (1996).

It isn't as simple as you make it seem. The court has overruled your exact rationale.
It is much easier for the University to show that your dating students affects the university. NJ transit must show an impact from his actions.
Also, just because it is in the handbook, doesn't mean it will stand up in court. The court doesn't proactively read code of conduct manuals checking for constitutionality.

[TripleSkeet]

I work at a university that says I can't date students. If I do, I get fired. Now I have the right to date a student but I would pay the consequences if I did. he had the right to burn the Koran but he also has to pay the consequences.

Thats not even close to the same thing. Not even close.

Now if you said you were a teacher fired for dating a student from another school, then maybe I could agree, but youre not.

[hanso]

Fourteen-Killed-In-Kashmir-Over-Quran-Protests

"Police shot dead at least 13 people Monday in anti-government and Koran demonstrations across Indian Kashmir in the biggest single death toll from protests in the disputed region in years. The toll includes nine people killed in police clashes after Muslim protesters set fire to a Christian missionary school and government buildings in two districts to denounce reports that copies of the Koran had been damaged in the United States."

From www.reuters.com

[PapaBear]

Fourteen-Killed-In-Kashmir-Over-Quran-Protests

"Police shot dead at least 13 people Monday in anti-government and Koran demonstrations across Indian Kashmir in the biggest single death toll from protests in the disputed region in years. The toll includes nine people killed in police clashes after Muslim protesters set fire to a Christian missionary school and government buildings in two districts to denounce reports that copies of the Koran had been damaged in the United States."

From www.reuters.com (http://www.reuters.com)
They don't need much of an excuse to kill each other in Kashmir.

[Kevin]

They don't need much of an excuse to kill each other in Kashmir.



Hey!

You looked at my goat wrong!

[PapaBear]

Hey!

You looked at my goat wrong!
Your goat looked at me right. Let's be friends.

[Kevin]

Your goat looked at me right. Let's be friends.



What is this word friends!

ARE YOU CURSING AT ME!?

[hanso]

The changing of the guard ceremony on the border. Even has mock fighting. It's pretty cool looking though.

[midwestjeff]

They don't need much of an excuse to kill each other in Kashmir.

If they wanted to name their country after a Zepplin song
they should have called it "whole lotta love".
I bet it would have been a lot more peaceful over there.
Personally, I would have gone with "the lemon country".

[Contra]

Fourteen-Killed-In-Kashmir-Over-Quran-Protests

"Police shot dead at least 13 people Monday in anti-government and Koran demonstrations across Indian Kashmir in the biggest single death toll from protests in the disputed region in years. The toll includes nine people killed in police clashes after Muslim protesters set fire to a Christian missionary school and government buildings in two districts to denounce reports that copies of the Koran had been damaged in the United States."

From www.reuters.com

"It was Tuesday in Kashmir today, that is all"

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They really love their Q'urans


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_afghanistan

[Dude!]

They really love their Q'urans

isn't it a lovely religion

[WRESTLINGFAN]

isn't it a lovely religion

More proof trying to nation build in a nation stuck in the 7th Century isn't a good thing


Who will be the 1st one to say how bad Christians are?

[underdog]

Who will be the 1st one to say how bad Christians are?

Apparently you.

[Dude!]

Who will be the 1st one to say how bad Christians are?

UD, furtherman, dudeman, spoon etc
are interchangeable parrots
so it doesn't matter

[underdog]

UD, furtherman, dudeman, spoon etc
are interchangeable parrots
so it doesn't matter

Ha Ha spoon! He said you're just like me.

[brettmojo]

They don't need much of an excuse to kill each other in Kashmir.
At least they look great doing it.

[Dude!]

Ha Ha spoon! He said you're just like me.

well, you are
and i forgot to include
barnaby jones and hanso
and a few of the other
predictable posters

[underdog]

well, you are
and i forgot to include
barnaby jones and hanso
and a few of the other
predictable posters

Now you're just being downright mean.

[foodcourtdruide]

UD, furtherman, dudeman, spoon etc
are interchangeable parrots
so it doesn't matter

Dude! thinks I'm pretty cool.

[underdog]

Dude! thinks I'm pretty cool.

That'll get you laid.

[jonyrotn]

Ha Ha spoon! He said you're just like me.
and the pup ran away with the spoon?

[StanUpshaw]

At least they look great doing it.

HA!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Top Generals, Hillary and even the president weighed in about the koran burning. Some dopey pastor in Florida isnt the reason why, there are still people who have not evolved go on a rampage.

Now, breaking from many on the right, the nutjobs dont hate us for our freedoms, thats just partisan hack lingo. We are fighting wars in 2 Muslim countries and started another one in North Africa. That right there gives them fuel for their hatred, but it wont stop there. Its like a giant hornets nest. Every single soldier, Marine and Airman can leave all those countries and the jihadists and their sympathizers will continue to have their hatred, plan attacks, beat their wives and still live in 650A.D.