Poll: Would You Eat Genetically Enhance Salmon

[FMJeff]

http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2010/09/21/fda-listens-to-both-sides-of-gmo-salmon-debate/?hpt=T2

Read above then vote.

[booster11373]

People seem to have a real problem with how long it takes to genetically engineer something. Apples and corn are the result of thousands of years of human meddling

[FMJeff]

People seem to have a real problem with how long it takes to genetically engineer something. Apples and corn are the result of thousands of years of human meddling

The issue I take is they've introduced a gene from a COMPLETELY different species of fish into the equation (the ocean pout). Can it even technically be called salmon anymore?

http://www.stripersonline.com/ubb547/image_uploads6/millmanrecordcongeropt.jpg

This is an ocean pout. Look appetizing to you?

[booster11373]

The issue I take is they've introduced a gene from a COMPLETELY different species of fish into the equation (the ocean pout). Can it even technically be called salmon anymore?

http://www.stripersonline.com/ubb547/image_uploads6/millmanrecordcongeropt.jpg

This is an ocean pout. Look appetizing to you?

Be happy they took something from another fish at least

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dont think he was ever genetically modified

http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/files/cache/tim-salmon-autographed-baseball-card-midland-angels_2360cee91498f85ace90ca6243287e2c.jpg

[Syd]

Nothing wrong with it at all. Bananas, for example, are virtually extinct in the wild. The bananas we have in our grocery stores now are all clones of each other which are clones of a mutated banana from way, way back.

Either accept that man is beginning to master what he has already been doing -- tampering with what God hath made crooked, so to speak, or just stop eating anything you didn't grow yourself because it's a certainty that man has already engineered it a certain way. It's a nasty cross of hypocrisy and luddism to say you're not ok with eating THIS engineered product but go on eating every other engineered product.

[FMJeff]

Nothing wrong with it at all. Bananas, for example, are virtually extinct in the wild. The bananas we have in our grocery stores now are all clones of each other which are clones of a mutated banana from way, way back.

Either accept that man is beginning to master what he has already been doing -- tampering with what God hath made crooked, so to speak, or just stop eating anything you didn't grow yourself because it's a certainty that man has already engineered it a certain way. It's a nasty cross of hypocrisy and luddism to say you're not ok with eating THIS engineered product but go on eating every other engineered product.

Creating vegetable hybrids goes back hundreds of years to the time of Mendel and his contemporaries. It may be forcing evolutionary changes that may or may not have occurred naturally in nature but is FAR different than introducing changes at a genetic level that would NEVER occur in nature, ie a salmon and an ocean pout mating and sharing genetic material.

[Furtherman]

I wouldn't be quick to eat it... but after years of testing, I would. Or until one knocks at my door and tries to eat me.

[CountryBob]

I voted yes but I am a little weary that there may be some crazy genetic code problem in the DNA that will wake up a deadly kill code in human DNA when it is eaten. Sounds like a SyFy movie.

i will wait for a while before eating this Terminator salmon.

[disneyspy]

i eat stuff that i have no idea where it comes from all the time,if it taste good i'll eat it,if a restaurant is serving it,i'll eat it,i never ask where someting is from or the conditions it was grown/raised so yes i'd eat it

[Kevin]

i eat stuff that i have no idea where it comes from all the time,if it taste good i'll eat it,if a restaurant is serving it,i'll eat it,i never ask where someting is from or the conditions it was grown/raised so yes i'd eat it



And you have lived to the old age of 99.

So take it from DS...

[sailor]

of course.

[STC-Dub]

No thanks.

[weekapaugjz]

no, but i don't eat salmon anyway.

[furie]

i dont care because i dont eat fish

[Chigworthy]

People seem to have a real problem with how long it takes to genetically engineer something. Apples and corn are the result of thousands of years of human meddling

You have to see the difference between selective propagation and genetic modification. The actual genetically modified corn that is out there has been shown to have spread to non-GMO plots and mingled there. I would have no fear of eating this GMO salmon, but I'm not too thrilled that it will be bred in closed pools "with very little chance" of escaping. Salmon are prolific travellers, and as someone who regularly fishes for wild salmon (when it's allowed), I would hate to see this thing fuck up the wild population. If the fake salmon is designed to grow twice as fast as a wild one (thus needing twice as much of a limited food supply), what do you think will happen as these things gain a foothold in the already-troubled wild fisheries?

[Syd]

The same thing that will inevitably happen to the seas: they'll be dead zones. Might as well enjoy what time while we have it.

[Jayw]

As long as it is not poison. And the nutrition facts are the same it doesn't matter where something comes from imo. I am with dspy on this one.

[A.J.]

As long as it's mercury-free.

[Crispy123]

yes but I draw the line at genetically enhanced bagels.

[Furtherman]

I think I saw one driving a newspaper truck this morning.

[Serpico1103]

As long as it is not poison. And the nutrition facts are the same it doesn't matter where something comes from imo. I am with dspy on this one.

The problem is whether we really knew what makes any food healthy. Red meat used to be healthy, but with our interference we have changed the balance of omega 6 and omega 3 fats in the meat.
The same with plants, we used fertilizer to ensure the plants would grow, but they lack micro-nutrients and flavor of naturally grown plants.

Also, fish farms can have pollution issues.

[TripleSkeet]

I dont have time to read all that shit. Just one question? Hows it taste? If it tastes good Ive got no problem eating it. Hell I eat womens assholes for Christs sake, an ocean pout frankenfish isnt even gonna make me blink.

[StanUpshaw]

Nothing wrong with it at all. Bananas, for example, are virtually extinct in the wild. The bananas we have in our grocery stores now are all clones of each other which are clones of a mutated banana from way, way back.

Either accept that man is beginning to master what he has already been doing -- tampering with what God hath made crooked, so to speak, or just stop eating anything you didn't grow yourself because it's a certainty that man has already engineered it a certain way. It's a nasty cross of hypocrisy and luddism to say you're not ok with eating THIS engineered product but go on eating every other engineered product.

:ohmy: Holy shit, I'm in total agreement with Syd.

[Serpico1103]

It's a nasty cross of hypocrisy and luddism to say you're not ok with eating THIS engineered product but go on eating every other engineered product.

That seems simplistic. Good.

[Chigworthy]

It's a nasty cross of hypocrisy and luddism to say you're not ok with eating THIS engineered product but go on eating every other engineered product.

Yes, this product is exactly the same as every other engineered product. Same ramifications, same media coverage.

[Snoogans]

You have to see the difference between selective propagation and genetic modification. The actual genetically modified corn that is out there has been shown to have spread to non-GMO plots and mingled there. I would have no fear of eating this GMO salmon, but I'm not too thrilled that it will be bred in closed pools "with very little chance" of escaping. Salmon are prolific travellers, and as someone who regularly fishes for wild salmon (when it's allowed), I would hate to see this thing fuck up the wild population. If the fake salmon is designed to grow twice as fast as a wild one (thus needing twice as much of a limited food supply), what do you think will happen as these things gain a foothold in the already-troubled wild fisheries?

also, assuming we just keep them in farms and feed them, we are doubling the rate of Mercury in the fish. Salmon get all that by eating fish meal. The mercury comes from eating other fish who have ingested it. Now we are gonna be giving these fast growing salmon twice as much fish meal. That means twice as much mercury.

as for the wild population thing, the company did say the fish are sterile so they cant move into the local fish populations if they do escape.

[Serpico1103]

also, assuming we just keep them in farms and feed them, we are doubling the rate of Mercury in the fish. Salmon get all that by eating fish meal. The mercury comes from eating other fish who have ingested it. Now we are gonna be giving these fast growing salmon twice as much fish meal. That means twice as much mercury.

as for the wild population thing, the company did say the fish are sterile so they cant move into the local fish populations if they do escape.
Corn flavored salmon. (http://www.puresalmon.org/feed.html)

The costs of fishmeal and fish oil, together with mounting environmental problems, are leading some industrial salmon farms to use less wild caught fish for food and seek more plentiful, cheaper alternatives. Under study or in current use are various types of vegetable proteins and animal byproducts, including chicken feathers and slaughter waste. Norwegian scientists are even experimenting with genetically modified (GM) soy products for salmon feed, and experts say it is only a matter of time before GM soy and GM-corn are part of a farmed salmon’s diet.

We force feed cows corn, which they are not designed to eat, so we have to give them drugs to compensate. Now, we will feed salmon corn. We might as well just eat creamed corn at every meal.

[Chigworthy]

also, assuming we just keep them in farms and feed them, we are doubling the rate of Mercury in the fish. Salmon get all that by eating fish meal. The mercury comes from eating other fish who have ingested it. Now we are gonna be giving these fast growing salmon twice as much fish meal. That means twice as much mercury.

as for the wild population thing, the company did say the fish are sterile so they cant move into the local fish populations if they do escape.

Actually, salmon aren't too high on the food pyramid, so the mercury level is about mid range. And the fake salmon would probably be harvested based on their size and not their age, so the amount of food intake will probably not be higher, just quicker. And with the move to feeding farmed fish fake corn food, it takes mercury out of the picture, but adds a slew of other issues.

[Snoogans]

Actually, salmon aren't too high on the food pyramid, so the mercury level is about mid range. And the fake salmon would probably be harvested based on their size and not their age, so the amount of food intake will probably not be higher, just quicker. And with the move to feeding farmed fish fake corn food, it takes mercury out of the picture, but adds a slew of other issues.

wild salmon are in the mid range. Farmed salmon are in the danger levels because of the fish meal and oils. The corn would help, but farmed salmon has WAY more mercury than wild does. So feeding more feed to farmed salmon than you do now means more. Just cause its less time, size means more food.

[Chigworthy]

wild salmon are in the mid range. Farmed salmon are in the danger levels because of the fish meal and oils. The corn would help, but farmed salmon has WAY more mercury than wild does. So feeding more feed to farmed salmon than you do now means more. Just cause its less time, size means more food.

I'm not familiar with farmed salmon that much. But I don't think that they are going to grow these fake salmon bigger than regular ones, just quicker.

[Snoogans]

I'm not familiar with farmed salmon that much. But I don't think that they are going to grow these fake salmon bigger than regular ones, just quicker.

it says they get to twice the size as the old ones in half the time. Twice the size still means twice the feed.

And farmed salmon are on the highest levels of mercury. Its really really terrible

[Zorro]

it says they get to twice the size as the old ones in half the time. Twice the size still means twice the feed.



Isn't there some economy of scale when it comes to food?

[StanUpshaw]

Unless you feed your toddler pounds of salmon every week, any mercury concern is pretty much moot.