Go on - Ask! Tell!!

[Recyclerz]

Missed today's show so I don't know if the Buddays tallked about this yet, but

Judge Orders Military to end DADT Policy (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/13/us/13military.html?_r=1&hp)

Don't these liberal activist judges know the Constitution is not there to give a bunch of homos the right to defend their country? The conservative activist judges know the Constitution's one true purpose is to give corporations rights.

At least we can sign Fez up for the Marines now like he's always wanted.

[underdog]

I don't know what this cheap shot at Fez at the end is, but we all know how much he loves the ladies.

The only thing keeping him out of the Marines was his heart.

[Brad_Rush]

I don't know what this cheap shot at Fez at the end is, but we all know how much he loves the ladies.

The only thing keeping him out of the Marines was his heart.

And their lack of shower benches

[Crispy123]

Homos have always been able to serve openly. its called the Navy.

[Barnaby Jones]

Log Cabin Republicans to the rescue!

[Recyclerz]

I don't know what this cheap shot at Fez at the end is, but we all know how much he loves the ladies.

The only thing keeping him out of the Marines was his heart.

I'm not sure what you're inferring from what I'm implying. We all know Fez is all about the feelings and rights of others regardless of what he has to sacrifice to allow his brothers and sisters to enjoy them. The only thing keeping him out of the military was the discrimination against the Gay Americans, much like the way he heroically refuses to get married until gays are given that right as well. :clap:

[Willmore]

Fez, you're in the army now.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2799/81792252cwzg1yex15villa.jpg

[A.J.]

Homos have always been able to serve openly. its called the Navy.

There's nothing gay about seamen.

[TjM]

Missed today's show so I don't know if the Buddays tallked about this yet, but

Judge Orders Military to end DADT Policy (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/13/us/13military.html?_r=1&hp)

Don't these liberal activist judges know the Constitution is not there to give a bunch of homos the right to defend their country? The conservative activist judges know the Constitution's one true purpose is to give corporations rights.

At least we can sign Fez up for the Marines now like he's always wanted.

I always pegged Fez as more of a Navy guy. A seaman if you will


Edit: Damn you guys

[Melk]

There's nothing gay about seamen.
Seamen? More like semen!:huh:

[StanUpshaw]

More like see men ejaculate semen onto other seamen's hairy chests.

[Crispy123]

Fez, you're in the army now.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2799/81792252cwzg1yex15villa.jpg

Unfortunately there is no one in the army in this photo.

[Bob Impact]

Unfortunately there is no one in the army in this photo.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c244/bobimpact/serious_cat.jpg

[SatCam]

finally queers can help us wipe brown people off the map

[disneyspy]

i believe its called blow them off the map

[Serpico1103]

finally queers can help us wipe brown people off the map

They are practiced at wiping semen off their back.

[hanso]

Corporal carpet muncher. - Brigadier General bear (Yeees!)
Major muff diver. - Bumhole engineer corp.
Rump Ranger - Field General fudge packer

[A.J.]

The only thing keeping him out of the Marines was his heart.

"His heart is fine."

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsG/7120-6196.gif

[PapaBear]

You better not ask or tell, now. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101021/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_gays_in_military)

[Barnaby Jones]

Obama, you asshole! Most of his administration has been a let down! What a wimpy, centrist coward!

[NickyL0885]

Bill Maher is right. Obama needs to be like Bush in the sense that Bush pushed stuff through, not caring what others thought. Obama is trying to be all "come on now, lets all play nice and agree". He's a good guy but I'm tired of him trying to please everyone.

[A.J.]

Obama, you asshole! Most of his administration has been a let down! What a wimpy, centrist coward!

You mean someone who promised change and reform would move to the center so as to get a second term?? I can't believe it!

[Barnaby Jones]

You mean someone who promised change and reform would move to the center so as to get a second term?? I can't believe it!

I didn't expect him to storm in there and flip everything upside down, but this guy is making Clinton look like a dynamic president!

[pennington]

You mean someone who promised change and reform would move to the center so as to get a second term?? I can't believe it!

Is this a move to the center? It's been my impression of the president that he tells whatever group he's talking to what they want to hear. This is why his staff likes to keep him on the teleprompter. Now you can say all politicians do that but as was stated earlier in this thread, there wasn't too much doubt where George Bush stood (or Reagan or FDR for that matter).

Maybe there is some truth to the charge that he has no core beliefs. Sure, he got the huge stimulus and health-care bills, but Reid and Pelosi deserve the bulk of the credit (or blame) for those.

I remember during the election, he met with the Palestinian leaders, who had a press conference stating he agreed with their position. Then he met with the Israeli delegation, who had a press conference stating he agreed with their position. After two years, these things are catching up with the president.

He could not have been clearer. he was going to end DADT. He probably lead the military leadership to believe it was going to continue. The gay-rights groups should feel deceived.

This stuff is bad, you wind up with nobody respecting you. Then your supporters get demoralized and sit out the next election.

[Barnaby Jones]

He's been in the center from most of his term so far, just like Clinton was! The Democrats are their own worst enemies because none of them have the balls to make any significant decisions that do anything more than just barely graze to the Left at the most! Centrists suck because SHIT DOESN'T GET DONE.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The GOP should listen to Mr Goldwaters words.


http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/scotts/bulgarians/barry-goldwater.html

[IamFogHat]

Seamen? More like semen!:huh:

We love you for your subtlety.

So since this thread is around I'm interested to know cause I don't know, what is the legal reason behind DADT? I've heard hayseed callers say really intelligent shit like "Would you want a gay man looking at you in the locker room?", but I'm interested to know why the government gives a shit if people who want to serve their country are gay.

[NickyL0885]

We love you for your subtlety.

So since this thread is around I'm interested to know cause I don't know, what is the legal reason behind DADT? I've heard hayseed callers say really intelligent shit like "Would you want a gay man looking at you in the locker room?", but I'm interested to know why the government gives a shit if people who want to serve their country are gay.

They think that gay people will bring the morale down for other troops. They make it seem like if troops are in a foxhole getting shot at, the gay troops will be thinking about fucking another troop in the ass instead of killing the enemy. And that seems to be the thing people think about gays. That all they want to do if fuck each other and everyone else in the ass.

[Serpico1103]

We love you for your subtlety.

So since this thread is around I'm interested to know cause I don't know, what is the legal reason behind DADT? I've heard hayseed callers say really intelligent shit like "Would you want a gay man looking at you in the locker room?", but I'm interested to know why the government gives a shit if people who want to serve their country are gay.

Brief, possibly inaccurate history.
Homosexuality was seen as a disorder, gays were given dishonorable discharges if they admitted to being gay. Sodomy was also a dischargeable offense. Clinton was going to allow gays to serve, Congress wanted to prevent it by enacting a law against it. DADT was the compromise, because Clinton, like Obama, buckled. Oh, my heroes!

Gays are not prevented from serving, only openly gay people. So, no matter what you do, there will be gays in the locker room (Lord Jezo and his pals are examples).
Gays should be allowed to serve, but any inappropriate behavior, consensual or not, must be punished, as it is with heterosexuals.
It is truly amazing how childish we, as a nation, can be.

[IamFogHat]

They think that gay people will bring the morale down for other troops. They make it seem like if troops are in a foxhole getting shot at, the gay troops will be thinking about fucking another troop in the ass instead of killing the enemy. And that seems to be the thing people think about gays. That all they want to do if fuck each other and everyone else in the ass.

That's exactly the same as my example so that means nothing.

Brief, possibly inaccurate history.
Homosexuality was seen as a disorder, gays were given dishonorable discharges if they admitted to being gay. Sodomy was also a dischargeable offense. Clinton was going to allow gays to serve, Congress wanted to prevent it by enacting a law against it. DADT was the compromise, because Clinton, like Obama, buckled. Oh, my heroes!

Gays are not prevented from serving, only openly gay people. So, no matter what you do, there will be gays in the locker room (Lord Jezo and his pals are examples).
Gays should be allowed to serve, but any inappropriate behavior, consensual or not, must be punished, as it is with heterosexuals.
It is truly amazing how childish we, as a nation, can be.

Kind of what I'm getting at in 2010 (or 1994 apparently), how long has it been since that's been considered a disorder?

My point is I understand why politicians are religious idiots and why constituents are hayseed morons, my question is why in 2010 is this an issue legally? As in, how do they legally make this kind of stuff policy, what is their argument nowadays?

[Serpico1103]

That's exactly the same as my example so that means nothing.



Kind of what I'm getting at in 2010 (or 1994 apparently), how long has it been since that's been considered a disorder?

My point is I understand why politicians are religious idiots and why constituents are hayseed morons, my question is why in 2010 is this an issue legally? As in, how do they legally make this kind of stuff policy, what is their argument nowadays?
It had been considered a disorder since 1800's, 1970's it was declassified as a disorder.

The government must show a legitimate purpose to discriminate. It states it's purpose is to ensure unit effectiveness and cohesion or generally makes us less secure and weaker.

[pennington]

The State Department once wouldn't hire someone who was gay either. I don't know if this reasoning applied to the military too but the thinking was that person would be vulnerable to blackmail. But if that person is open about it, then they can't be blackmailed with it.

This whole policy is ridiculous. If they stay silent, celibate and don't mention it to anybody they can stay. If they're seen at a gay bar or caught living with someone in an apartment with only one bed, then they're discharged.

This isn't a right/left Republican/Democrat issue. It's bad management and those people who have been discharged because of it should get their careers back. Obama had the perfect pretext with this federal court ruling.

[Barnaby Jones]

Obama had the perfect pretext with this federal court ruling.

EXACTLY!!!! Complete cowardice!

[Serpico1103]

EXACTLY!!!! Complete cowardice!

I think the Republican party has embraced that if they motivate their extremists they can win elections (without the religious right, the republicans would have lost every major election in the last 3 decades).
The left needs to realize that appeasing moderates is less vital than motivating the extremists to vote. If Obama embraced his role as a man of change, he would easily win reelection. The democrats forget that almost 50% of eligible people, don't vote. Work on getting the extremists to the polls, instead of placating the people on the fence.
Unfortunately, he may also be overestimating the potential of the tea party in the upcoming elections. He is not trying to give the Tea Party more ammo to use against him. Again, he should strengthen his base and not worry about those that would never support him anyway.

That being said, every gay organization should say that unless DADT is repealed they will vote out incumbents, regardless of party.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Beyond all the rhetoric, the overwhelming majority of Americans want this to become a reality. What has Obama running scared is that 70k people can suddenly have a domestic partner that the government is paying health benefits for. That scares the shit out of the Dems at a time when the reactionaries have made every single expenditure, well, a federal case.

[Crispy123]

So since this thread is around I'm interested to know cause I don't know, what is the legal reason behind DADT? I've heard hayseed callers say really intelligent shit like "Would you want a gay man looking at you in the locker room?", but I'm interested to know why the government gives a shit if people who want to serve their country are gay.

It is a very simple explanation. The government doesn't want to admit that the military itself is a completely gay concept. Men saluting other men, dressing in tailored fancy uniforms, and having to call superiors Sir. Think about the greatest Military forces historically like the Greeks, Romans, English, and French. Gay, gay, gay, and gayer!

[A.J.]

Think about the greatest Military forces historically like the Greeks, Romans, English, and French. Gay, gay, gay, and gayer!

The French??? I'd put the Spanish over those cheese-eating, surrender monkeys.

[angrytruckingguy]

It is a very simple explanation. The government doesn't want to admit that the military itself is a completely gay concept. Men saluting other men, dressing in tailored fancy uniforms, and having to call superiors Sir. Think about the greatest Military forces historically like the Greeks, Romans, English, and French. Gay, gay, gay, and gayer!

still not as gay as football

[Bob Impact]

This whole policy is ridiculous. If they stay silent, celibate and don't mention it to anybody they can stay. If they're seen at a gay bar or caught living with someone in an apartment with only one bed, then they're discharged.
Wait, wouldn't somebody need to ask what they're doing at some point in either of those cases?

Either way the fact that there's any conversation about this whatsoever is disgusting, it's blatant discrimination.

[sink]

I'm a fairly middle of the road to leaning right republican and most of the people I talk with that are politically aligned with my views even feel this don't ask don't tell policy is fucking stupid, so the only people in my book that is being appeased is the far religious right which is a small percentage that just makes a lot of noise, yet the left has no change of winning them over anyway.

The policy is archaic and it's disappointing the President did not show some balls and just lay down the law.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

DADT Fails

On this issue I happen to disagree with the tea baggers. I dont think this would turn the Military into a social experiment. In any case it has not been a good week for the Dems. The tax cuts issue (raise them on people making 1mm or more 250K isnt rich), Amnesty being shot down yay!!!!!!

A lot of Dems are blaming Reid for these debacles


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1210/Dont_Ask_fails_in_the_Senate.html

[Crispy123]

DADT Fails

On this issue I happen to disagree with the tea baggers. I dont think this would turn the Military into a social experiment. In any case it has not been a good week for the Dems. The tax cuts issue (raise them on people making 1mm or more 250K isnt rich), Amnesty being shot down yay!!!!!!

A lot of Dems are blaming Reid for these debacles


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1210/Dont_Ask_fails_in_the_Senate.html

Its a bad week for America but this is actually good for Dems. It exposes the Republitards for exactly what they are.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Its a bad week for America but this is actually good for Dems. It exposes the Republitards for exactly what they are.

With DADT that doesn't look good for the Reps, Blocking Amnesty is a win for the country. As far as taxes it looks bad for Obama hes going to take the hit for that.

[Furtherman]

Finally! Our foxholes are safe! Now, when can we get this passed for the church and go back to the way things were! Repressed and ignorant, like our Founding Fathers intended!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Finally! Our foxholes are safe! Now, when can we get this passed for the church and go back to the way things were! Repressed and ignorant, like our Founding Fathers intended!

I guess there are no Atheists in foxholes

[Crispy123]

Marine general suggests repeal of 'don't ask' could result in casualties (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/14/AR2010121404985.html)

General Amos is more than a little dissapointing to me so far. If Marines are dying because they are too distracted by who is banging who in a war zone, then as the top Marine, he needs to fire and replace whoever is training these Marines for war. ASAP!

[Willmore]

Marine general suggests repeal of 'don't ask' could result in casualties (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/14/AR2010121404985.html)

General Amos is more than a little dissapointing to me so far. If Marines are dying because they are too distracted by who is banging who in a war zone, then as the top Marine, he needs to fire and replace whoever is training these Marines for war. ASAP!

Wow, Mariners are pussies. If you are so mentally fragile that the potential thoughts of other Mariners is so distracting, you shouldn't have a fucking gun in your hands.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wow, Mariners are pussies. If you are so mentally fragile that the potential thoughts of other Mariners is so distracting, you shouldn't have a fucking gun in your hands.

What does a Baseball team have to do with this?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Marine general suggests repeal of 'don't ask' could result in casualties (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/14/AR2010121404985.html)

General Amos is more than a little dissapointing to me so far. If Marines are dying because they are too distracted by who is banging who in a war zone, then as the top Marine, he needs to fire and replace whoever is training these Marines for war. ASAP!

Put them with air wing units. "Talk about swinging with the wing" :lol:

[Recyclerz]

Marine general suggests repeal of 'don't ask' could result in casualties (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/14/AR2010121404985.html)

General Amos is more than a little dissapointing to me so far. If Marines are dying because they are too distracted by who is banging who in a war zone, then as the top Marine, he needs to fire and replace whoever is training these Marines for war. ASAP!

A little irony from Andrew Sullivan at The Atlantic

First American casualty in the invasion of Iraq? A Marine. A gay Marine. (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/12/why-amos-is-wrong-ctd.html)

[Dan 'Hampton]

This is no doubt the best thread title name in the histoy of .net.

[A.J.]

Marine general suggests repeal of 'don't ask' could result in casualties (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/14/AR2010121404985.html)

General Amos is more than a little dissapointing to me so far. If Marines are dying because they are too distracted by who is banging who in a war zone, then as the top Marine, he needs to fire and replace whoever is training these Marines for war. ASAP!

More like General ANUS.

[Willmore]

What does a Baseball team have to do with this?

I was just reading an Ms blog, it rubbed off apparently.

Also, I shouldn't be forced to spell shit correctly. Telepathic typing, make it fucking work.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I was just reading an Ms blog, it rubbed off apparently.

Also, I shouldn't be forced to spell shit correctly. Telepathic typing, make it fucking work.

You said rubbed off :lol:

[midwestjeff]

More like General ANUS.

High Five!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

V gay day


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/1218/In-historic-vote-Senate-moves-to-end-don-t-ask-don-t-tell

[epo]

A good day for the LGBT community and a very bad day for Senator John McCain.

That dude was on the wrong side of MLK Day and now on the wrong side of DADT.

[spoon]

Wow, forgot all about that MLK day debacle in Zona. Not to mention the song by Public Enemy about it all the suburban white kids identified with.

Way to go maverick!

[sailor]

A good day for the LGBT community and a very bad day for Senator John McCain.

That dude was on the wrong side of MLK Day and now on the wrong side of DADT.

i don't know that he is opposed to it, just wanted better research (solely from that article).

this point sounded reasonable:

"But the top Republican on the panel, Sen. John McCain of Arizona and other GOP critics criticized the Pentagon’s survey for focusing on implementation of repeal of the ban, not on whether repeal was in fact good policy."

[epo]

i don't know that he is opposed to it, just wanted better research (solely from that article).

this point sounded reasonable:

"But the top Republican on the panel, Sen. John McCain of Arizona and other GOP critics criticized the Pentagon’s survey for focusing on implementation of repeal of the ban, not on whether repeal was in fact good policy."

There are times when you can take an individual quote from Senator McCain and think he's a reasonable person. But of course there was this study from the Pentagon (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/10/AR2010111007381.html)that declared there was minimum risk in overturning the ban. Then when you put them in the context of his history of weird and self-serving votes...you really question the man.

And then today's article by Dana Milibank (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/18/AR2010121802738.html)gives you some good context on how this vote went down...and McCain really looks like the old man who just wants those damned kids to get off his lawn.

[spoon]

i don't know that he is opposed to it, just wanted better research (solely from that article).

this point sounded reasonable:

"But the top Republican on the panel, Sen. John McCain of Arizona and other GOP critics criticized the Pentagon’s survey for focusing on implementation of repeal of the ban, not on whether repeal was in fact good policy."

That's fucking bullshit too bc before this he was continually quoted as saying this report/survey would be the deciding factor in his vote and he knew exactly how it was being done. The results came out the opposite of what he wanted and now he can't fall back on it and say it's what our people wanted so he has to vote that way. Now of course the survey was at fault. Sorry, it's bs all the way.

He won't take the stand he wants to, always hiding behind some other reason that doesn't put him fully in either camp. They don't want to put to bed their fringe issues, without them (abortion, gay marriage and others) they lose a ton of voters bc they may actually pay attention to other topics.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

I wonder if they will bring this topic up on the show Monday.

[Pitdoc]

I wonder if they will bring this topic up on the show Monday.

Does this mean Fez can say something now?

Regardless, the commandant of the marines , who says it would harm troop morale, sounds like , you should pardon the expression, a little FAGGOT.

[StanUpshaw]

There are times when you can take an individual quote from Senator McCain and think he's a reasonable person. But of course there was this study from the Pentagon (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/10/AR2010111007381.html)that declared there was minimum risk in overturning the ban. Then when you put them in the context of his history of weird and self-serving votes...you really question the man.

And then today's article by Dana Milibank (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/18/AR2010121802738.html)gives you some good context on how this vote went down...and McCain really looks like the old man who just wants those damned kids to get off his lawn.

At least McCain's consistent.

He's against human cockfighting in all (http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1998-02-12/news/john-mccain-breaks-up-a-fight/) of its NSFWforms (http://www.militaryjerkoff.com/postimages/grunts-two-cocks-movie.jpg).

[A.J.]

Regardless, the commandant of the marines , who says it would harm troop morale, sounds like , you should pardon the expression, a little FAGGOT.

If you look at polls taken of the actual troops in the field, most of them DID say it would negatively affect morale.

Next stop: co-ed units! Just like Starship Troopers!

[spoon]

Justjon calls top bunk in the trans-gender barracks

[Willmore]

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[hanso]

Does this mean Fez can say something now?

Regardless, the commandant of the marines , who says it would harm troop morale, sounds like , you should pardon the expression, a little FAGGOT.


He is now.