Election Predictions for 11-02-2010

[Dude!]

enter them now
before the votes are
counted tomorrow

after talking to everyone
i know, they are all anxious
and pissed off
i think it will be a massive sweep

i predict gains as follow:

House: Reps + 68
Senate: Reps + 10

whoever comes closest
gets to be guest moderator here
for a week

[Willmore]

House: 216:219 Reps.
Senate: 54:46 Dems.


Hopefully.

I know it's going to be bad, but I have faith in it being better than expected for Dems.

[A.J.]

"Pain."

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/DJnKm6ftPu0/0.jpg

[Willmore]

"Pain."

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/DJnKm6ftPu0/0.jpg

How has he never run for public office? I pity the fool that wouldn't vote for Mr. T.

[epo]

What you are really looking at is a split legislature. The GOP takes the House, the Dems keep the Senate in a Lieberman-proof majority.

The interesting possible outcomes will be:
1. How does this change Obama's operating style?
2. How far does John Boehner play his hand?
3, Do the new "Tea Party" republicans fall in line with GOP leadership?
4. How do the polling companies fix their data gathering efforts to account for the growing numbers without landlines?

[A.J.]

How has he never run for public office? I pity the fool that wouldn't vote for Mr. T.

That's a T Party I would support!

[Recyclerz]

Tough to bet against Nate Silver since he predicted so well last time. (http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/)

House: Repubs +55
Senate: Repubs +7

This is one batshit crazy country. :help:

[Baby DEW Year]

I predict that my phone will ring less on Wednesday.

[epo]

I predict that my phone will ring less on Wednesday.

I have no idea about the rules in your state, but in Wisconsin if you vote early the State informs the pRties that you've already voted and your name comes off their lists for voter contact.

My phone hasn't rang with bad political calls in two weeks.

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't think it will be as bad for the dems as the media is making it out to be, but no matter what the outcome, I am just SO tired of election coverage and endless speculation about what will happen, and this was a NON-PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

Can you imagine how stupid and annoying the next 2 years are going to be?

We no longer have a government. We have a group of perpetual campaigners. This problem will never be fixed, as the people who can fix it (politicians, media) gain too much off how the current system works.

[Misteriosa]

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[foodcourtdruide]

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Lol. I seriously considered voting for him, but I can't risk a world where Paladino is the Governor of my state.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I predict that my phone will ring less on Wednesday.

Campaign signs however will be on peoples lawns and on the sides of the roads until at least Christmas

[Misteriosa]

Lol. I seriously considered voting for him, but I can't risk a world where Paladino is the Governor of my state.

that is indeed scary..

i did find the whole scantron process to be slow. it took *way* longer to vote that the old green pull machines. im not trusting the computers too much either. there were a few jams that occured and vote papers got chewed up. the only thing that comforts me is that there is an acutal form that i filled out and can be reviewed should recounts need to occur.

the poor old people could barely read those scantrons. the print was pretty small (i took that pic very close up, which is why u see my finger's shadow). lets see how this turns out.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lol. I seriously considered voting for him, but I can't risk a world where Paladino is the Governor of my state.

Not too worry Cuomo is going to crush paladino by at least 25 pts.

[foodcourtdruide]

that is indeed scary..

i did find the whole scantron process to be slow. it took *way* longer to vote that the old green pull machines. im not trusting the computers too much either. there were a few jams that occured and vote papers got chewed up. the only thing that comforts me is that there is an acutal form that i filled out and can be reviewed should recounts need to occur.

the poor old people could barely read those scantrons. the print was pretty small (i took that pic very close up, which is why u see my finger's shadow). lets see how this turns out.

How soon before we all vote online? 4 years? 8 years? I couldn't believe I was filling out a scantron to vote. I can't believe I still have to go to a voting location.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Prop 19 gets passed in CA.

[Willmore]

Tough to bet against Nate Silver since he predicted so well last time. (http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/)

House: Repubs +55
Senate: Repubs +7

This is one batshit crazy country. :help:

Except that's not his prediction. His prediction is: "The polls are crazy. The hell if I know. It's somewhere between Reps +20 and Reps +90."

[angrytruckingguy]

I don't think it will be as bad for the dems as the media is making it out to be, but no matter what the outcome, I am just SO tired of election coverage and endless speculation about what will happen, and this was a NON-PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

Can you imagine how stupid and annoying the next 2 years are going to be?

We no longer have a government. We have a group of perpetual campaigners. This problem will never be fixed, as the people who can fix it (politicians, media) gain too much off how the current system works.

TRUTH!

[Furtherman]

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[Dude!]

How soon before we all vote online? 4 years? 8 years? I couldn't believe I was filling out a scantron to vote. I can't believe I still have to go to a voting location.

funny...the europeans
are starting to move back
to paper ballots
because electronic methods
have been frought with problems

i like the idea of paper ballots
who cares if they take 2-days
to count...they are just so much
more accurate and reliable and
trustworthy

[WRESTLINGFAN]

funny...the europeans
are starting to move back
to paper ballots
because electronic methods
have been frought with problems

i like the idea of paper ballots
who cares if they take 2-days
to count...they are just so much
more accurate and reliable and
trustworthy

We could get Jimmuh Carter to monitor elections :lol:

[epo]

Congrats Kentucky, you just gave the nation Rand fucking Paul for 6 years.

Assholes.

[NickyL0885]

Congrats Kentucky, you just gave the nation Rand fucking Paul for 6 years.

Assholes.

Bow down to Aqua Buddah!

[keithy_19]

funny...the europeans
are starting to move back
to paper ballots
because electronic methods
have been frought with problems

i like the idea of paper ballots
who cares if they take 2-days
to count...they are just so much
more accurate and reliable and
trustworthy

I want the pony express to be involved.

[NickyL0885]

The Witch, Christine O'Donnell, goes down to Chris Coons. I'll miss her. She was so adorable.

[keithy_19]

The Witch, Christine O'Donnell, goes down to Chris Coons. I'll miss her. She was so adorable.

You just wait. She's going to use her black magic and reverse the votes. But yes, she was adorable..:glurps:

But hey, we got this guy and his wife.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01626/rubino_1626775c.jpg

I can deal with that.

[NickyL0885]

Rejoice wrestling fans. McMahon lost her race, as MSNBC projects Blumenthal as the winner. I guess money can't buy you everything.

[keithy_19]

Rejoice wrestling fans. McMahon lost her race, as MSNBC projects Blumenthal as the winner. I guess money can't buy you everything.

Sucks. I would love to see her in the senate. Adding heel and face turns to congress would spice things up.

[JerseySean]

House +59 for Republicans
Senate +8 for Republicans

[keithy_19]

Joe Manchin wins in West Virginia. Big blow for the Republicans.

[epo]

West Virginia Senate for the Dems. The majority dream for the GOP is dead.

[NickyL0885]

Sucks. I would love to see her in the senate. Adding heel and face turns to congress would spice things up.

I can see it now: "OMG. Stone Cold Steve Austin just used the Stunner on Joe Biden!!"

[keithy_19]

I can see it now: "OMG. Stone Cold Steve Austin just used the Stunner on Joe Biden!!"

NWO takes on a whole new meaning.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Batshit Alan Grayson loses. I am going to miss his tirades though

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You just wait. She's going to use her black magic and reverse the votes. But yes, she was adorable..:glurps:

But hey, we got this guy and his wife.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01626/rubino_1626775c.jpg

I can deal with that.

Agreed We dont need another guy with a fake and bake on Capitol Hill

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Rejoice wrestling fans. McMahon lost her race, as MSNBC projects Blumenthal as the winner. I guess money can't buy you everything.

CT Voters fucked up again as usual. They voted for McMahon in the primary and now votes for someone who lied about being in Vietnam. Nice going douches!!!

[KnoxHarrington]

Congrats Kentucky, you just gave the nation Rand fucking Paul for 6 years.

Assholes.

I bet Mitch McConnell is pissed off now, but doesn't dare show it. First, his hand pick successor to Jim Bunning loses to this clown, and then he fucks around and gets elected. So Mitch is going to be spending the next 6 years telling him to shut the fuck up.

But, then again, that's what's going to happen to all the teabaggers. They're going to be told that they should be seen and not heard, and the teabaggers won't get a god damn thing they want.

[KnoxHarrington]

40% of Delaware still voted for batshit crazy cunt O'Donnell.

That's only slightly less scary than if she'd actually won.

[TripleSkeet]

CT Voters fucked up again as usual. They voted for McMahon in the primary and now votes for someone who lied about being in Vietnam. Nice going douches!!!

As a wrestling fan I couldnt be happier. Now maybe that cunt can go back to worrying about her wrestling company instead of this bullshit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nice going you fucktards in NY. Keep reelecting filth like Schumer and his lapdog Gillenbrand. Its like you people suffer from battered wives syndrome

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Darell Issa will become chairman of oversight cmte. I really hope he doesnt devote his time and piss away tax dollars on every move of the Administration.

[NickyL0885]

Darell Issa will become chairman of oversight cmte. I really hope he doesnt devote his time and piss away tax dollars on every move of the Administration.

I believe he is salivating at impeaching Obama first chance he gets.

[weekapaugjz]

cuomo declared winner in new york (like it was ever in question)

sorry jimmy mcmillan...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sucks. I would love to see her in the senate. Adding heel and face turns to congress would spice things up.

A chairshot to Babs Boxer would have been great . Would have loved her to kick Bernie Sanders btwn the legs :clap:

[NickyL0885]

Wow.....O'Donnell just said "He(Coons) better not raise taxes on the top 2%".

[weekapaugjz]

Wow.....O'Donnell just said "He(Coons) better not raise taxes on the top 2%".

her whole speech was laughable.

[StanUpshaw]

cuomo declared winner in new york


Does this mean we get to bulldoze the ground zero mosque now?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Neil Cavuto's mancrush for Rubio is too much

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Johnson has an early lead against Feingold. Only about 40% of results are in. Even tough I disagree with almost all of Feingold's policies he was one of the very few who kept to his standards and never caved in.

[Zorro]

Neil Cavuto's mancrush for Rubio is too much

Rubio gave a very classy acceptance speech.

[Zorro]

Haley in Feingold out.

Liked Russ. Sad to see him go

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Haley in Feingold out.

Liked Russ. Sad to see him go

Go easy on Epo

[weekapaugjz]

Go easy on Epo

he might be in the corner with a gun in his mouth...

[Zorro]

Watching CNN, ABC, Fox and MSNBC coverage. The first three are dynamic and have awesome analysis (even if you disagree) But MSNBC is hosting a wake. If it weren't for Maddow and O'Donnell it'd be unwatchable.

BTW I'd have no problem with sending my least favorite couple Ariana Huffington & Newt Gingrich to a deserted island together. Neither one would know honesty it it bit them on the ankle.

[Zorro]

Boxer in

Brown in

[Zorro]

Tonight's Big Winner Sara Palin...freaky

[Snacks]

my predictions, stupid people voting based on what beck and palin say. not voting for the better good of society, or for what will help them for the future. rather voting for their fantasy of some day being in the richest top 2%. Because that is the only way what they vote for will help them.

[Dirtbag]

This is why I stay out of political threads.

[Dude!]

This is why I stay out of political threads.


until now

[Dudeman]

large states with educated people will vote democrat.
small states with ignorant people will vote republican.

on behalf of my states- NY (home of columbia and cornell) and CA (home of stanford, berkeley, and caltech)- who will elect democratic senators, you're welcome. no thanks to idaho, ark, north dakota...

[PapaBear]

Why the hell can't I find any election results to see how many assholes voted for THIS BITCH (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88757)? All I can find is that Norton won. DUHHH!!!

[keithy_19]

large states with educated people will vote democrat.
small states with ignorant people will vote republican.

on behalf of my states- NY (home of columbia and cornell) and CA (home of stanford, berkeley, and caltech)- who will elect democratic senators, you're welcome. no thanks to idaho, ark, north dakota...

..really? We're doing that thing again where people on the coast call people who live inbetween ignorant? Have you been to so...eh. Nevermind.

[Syd]

Unprincipled, loudmouth democrats and republicans are in every state.

[epo]

he might be in the corner with a gun in his mouth...

Nope, I'm fine. It sucks when you've got a great ground game and message, but the national zeitgeist takes the day.

[keithy_19]

Unprincipled, loudmouth democrats and republicans are in every state.

Very true.

[Pitdoc]

large states with educated people will vote democrat.
small states with ignorant people will vote republican.

on behalf of my states- NY (home of columbia and cornell) and CA (home of stanford, berkeley, and caltech)- who will elect democratic senators, you're welcome. no thanks to idaho, ark, north dakota...

Sad but true..

The NYT did a state by state education/IQ map of the entire US last year. you'd swear it was a 2008 election map,with the blue states on either coast being the most educated,, and the southern red states being the least. Oh, and Connecticut, which the Right decries for its defamation of "family values" , had the highest amount of stable marriages.

[Pitdoc]

Instead of watching the Dems lose the house tonight, I went to see INSIDE JOB, about the people on Wall St who caused the recession. It blasts BOTH parties,but is harder on the Repubs, because they took what Clinton gave them & ran with it. Now lets see if old Bronze Johnny deregulates the banks again , to "stimulate the economy" . I swear to Christ, I have a headache from slapping my forehead so many times . Not ONE of those motherfuckers went to jail.

[Dudeman]

..really? We're doing that thing again where people on the coast call people who live inbetween ignorant? Have you been to so...eh. Nevermind.

yes, really keithy 19

[Friend]

Nope, I'm fine. It sucks when you've got a great ground game and message, but the national zeitgeist takes the day.
Translation: :down::down::down::down::down:

[Friend]

large states with educated people will vote democrat.
small states with ignorant people will vote republican.

on behalf of my states- NY (home of columbia and cornell) and CA (home of stanford, berkeley, and caltech)- who will elect democratic senators, you're welcome. no thanks to idaho, ark, north dakota... Only someone on the left could make such an uneducated, misinformed, elitist statement, like the one above.

Places like NY, CA, NV, Chicago...they are heavily Democratic because of one thing: UNION'S

City workers, people in union's, TOLD who to vote for...OR ELSE! These people don't know the issues or even who's running...all they know is who they're TOLD to vote for. Out of fear, fear of losing their jobs, and not being "taken care of" down the road.

[PapaBear]

Translation: :down::down::down::down::down:

Only someone on the left could make such an uneducated, misinformed, elitist statement, like the one above.

Places like NY, CA, NV, Chicago...they are heavily Democratic because of one thing: UNION'S

City workers, people in union's, TOLD who to vote for...OR ELSE! These people don't know the issues or even who's running...all they know is who they're TOLD to vote for. Out of fear, fear of losing their jobs, and not being "taken care of" down the road.
Seeya later, Morken!

[hanso]

Rubio gave a very classy acceptance speech.

Doesn't make him any less of a scumbag.

my predictions, stupid people voting based on what beck and palin say. not voting for the better good of society, or for what will help them for the future. rather voting for their fantasy of some day being in the richest top 2%. Because that is the only way what they vote for will help them.

And the R next to name. Not their background, record or what they stand for/against.

[Dudeman]

my predictions, stupid people voting based on what beck and palin say. not voting for the better good of society, or for what will help them for the future. rather voting for their fantasy of some day being in the richest top 2%. Because that is the only way what they vote for will help them.

i like how the reps/tea party used the term "class warfare" when talking about the dem's desire to not continue the bush tax cuts for the top 2%. they had turned the rub's into saying it is class warfare, and they need to defend the top 2%. dumb dumbs

[foodcourtdruide]

Only someone on the left could make such an uneducated, misinformed, elitist statement, like the one above.

Places like NY, CA, NV, Chicago...they are heavily Democratic because of one thing: UNION'S

City workers, people in union's, TOLD who to vote for...OR ELSE! These people don't know the issues or even who's running...all they know is who they're TOLD to vote for. Out of fear, fear of losing their jobs, and not being "taken care of" down the road.

I am not in a union and I live in NY and vote democrat. This is true for nearly every person in my office. I think big cities tend to be more progressive for reasons other than the union boogey man.

[RhinoinMN]

I have no idea about the rules in your state, but in Wisconsin if you vote early the State informs the pRties that you've already voted and your name comes off their lists for voter contact.

My phone hasn't rang with bad political calls in two weeks.

Because you were doing all of the calling.

[Willmore]

It’s finally becoming a bit more representative.

Among the new members, there is a reality TV star, a nurse, a radio personality, an NFL football player, two funeral directors, plus a roofing contractor who lists his alma mater as “Grand Rapids School of Bible and Music.”

[A.J.]

It’s finally becoming a bit more representative.

Among the new members, there is a reality TV star, a nurse, a radio personality, an NFL football player, two funeral directors, plus a roofing contractor who lists his alma mater as “Grand Rapids School of Bible and Music.”

Seriously -- Congress isn't representative government: it's a fucking law firm. Especially the Senate.

[Dude!]

I think big cities tend to be more progressive for reasons other than the union boogey man.

ie, homosexuality

[Earlshog]

Seeya later, Morken!

that morken, hes incorrigible!

[Crispy123]

it's 4 me, homosexuality

fixed

[Zorro]

large states with educated people will vote democrat.
small states with ignorant people will vote republican.

on behalf of my states- NY (home of columbia and cornell) and CA (home of stanford, berkeley, and caltech)- who will elect democratic senators, you're welcome. no thanks to idaho, ark, north dakota...

States with large percentages of people living off the government tit vote Democrat. States where people actually struggle in the private sector vote Republican

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hopefully the 112th congress will grow a set and pass a bill to Audit the Fed.

[Barnaby Jones]

States with large percentages of people living off the government tit vote Democrat. States where people actually struggle in the private sector vote Republican

Yeah, it's not like the largest population centers would have the most people "struggling in the private sector" or anything!!!

[foodcourtdruide]

States with large percentages of people living off the government tit vote Democrat. States where people actually struggle in the private sector vote Republican

What are you basing this statement on? You can't honestly believe this, can you?

[Zorro]

Yeah, it's not like the largest population centers would have the most people "struggling in the private sector" or anything!!!

percentages of people

My ballot in NYC looked like one from the old Soviet Union with the number of unopposed races. The Democratic Party controls the elections and PSU's control the Democrats.

[Furtherman]

States with large percentages of people living off the government tit vote Democrat. States where people actually struggle in the private sector vote Republican

Yeah, it's not like the largest population centers would have the most people "struggling in the private sector" or anything!!!

What are you basing this statement on? You can't honestly believe this, can you?

Maybe he's never seen one of those Red State-Blue State maps.

[Willmore]

States with large percentages of people living off the government tit vote Democrat. States where people actually struggle in the private sector vote Republican

You mean like Alaska that gets more per capita federal spending than any other state. And is right now splitting 75% of the vote between two republicans.

[foodcourtdruide]

You mean like Alaska that gets more per capita federal spending than any other state. And is right now splitting 75% of the vote between two republicans.

Republicans just HAVE to be uninformed.

There is no logical explaination for the poorest states in the nation supporting tax cuts on the wealthiest 2% of the population. There is no explaination for it. None.

[Dudeman]

Republicans just HAVE to be uninformed.

There is no logical explaination for the poorest states in the nation supporting tax cuts on the wealthiest 2% of the population. There is no explaination for it. None.

didn't you hear... Dems are engaging in CLASS WARFARE (whatever that means)

[Zorro]

You mean like Alaska that gets more per capita federal spending than any other state. And is right now splitting 75% of the vote between two republicans.

Mostly defense spending and the tiny population magnifies spending.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

1 positive result of the election. Amnesty, Comprehensive Immigration Reform or whatever you want to call it is dead for at least 2 years. :clap:

[Willmore]

1 positive result of the election. Amnesty, Comprehensive Immigration Reform or whatever you want to call it is dead for at least 2 years. :clap:

Yup, it's status quo, and no fix whatsoever. That's what you were hoping for?

[Dude!]

1 positive result of the election. Amnesty, Comprehensive Immigration Reform or whatever you want to call it is dead for at least 2 years. :clap:

and despite this....
the republicans elected
a hispanic senator
and two hispanic governors!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yup, it's status quo, and no fix whatsoever. That's what you were hoping for?

What i am hoping for would never happen because politicians have no spine.

No foodstamps, section8, welfare entitlements etc. for illegals.
Hospitals should not be required to give them medical treatment.
Ending birthright citizenship

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Prop 19 failed. But the Food police will be out and about.

I really hope the Mayans were right about 2012 and CA sinks into the ocean

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/11/03/2010-11-03_san_francisco_enacts_happy_meal_ban_city_decide s_to_prohibit_toys_to_come_with_f.html

[foodcourtdruide]

What i am hoping for would never happen because politicians have no spine.

No foodstamps, section8, welfare entitlements etc. for illegals.
Hospitals should not be required to give them medical treatment.
Ending birthright citizenship

You want them to just die in the streets, don't you? Can you please just say it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You want them to just die in the streets, don't you? Can you please just say it.



Why are we obliged to babysit them?

Deny them all services jobs, housing and they will leave. Unfortunately there aren't enough politicians with a spine.

[foodcourtdruide]

Why are we obliged to babysit them?

Deny them all services jobs, housing and they will leave. Unfortunately there aren't enough politicians with a spine.

It's not only the politicians. There aren't many Americans that would support ignoring someone with an emergency medical condition because they have violated immigration laws. Honestly, your view on illegal immigrants is slightly sociopathic.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's not only the politicians. There aren't many Americans that would support ignoring someone with an emergency medical condition because they have violated immigration laws. Honestly, your view on illegal immigrants is slightly sociopathic.

If Hospitals CHOOSE to thats their prerogative. Also it should be the job of the Churches to take care of the downtrodden. There are tons of Catholic hospitals.

[Snacks]

and despite this....
the republicans elected
a hispanic senator
and two hispanic governors!

the reason that Hispanics are starting to go more and more to the right is religion. they are a very Christian group and we all know how the repubs love to spew religion and Christianity even if they are all fake Christians who only use it to get elected.

[Dude!]

the reason that Hispanics are starting to go more and more to the right is religion. they are a very Christian group and we all know how the repubs love to spew religion and Christianity even if they are all fake Christians who only use it to get elected.

blacks hate the gays
and always vote 80%
against gay marriage

and yet they still vote dem

[Snacks]

It's not only the politicians. There aren't many Americans that would support ignoring someone with an emergency medical condition because they have violated immigration laws. Honestly, your view on illegal immigrants is slightly sociopathic.

there are plenty of americans who would rather they die in the street. there are plenty of americans who dont care if america citizens die in the street as long as it doesnt raise their taxes or offer health care for all.

as a liberal myself the one thing i find myself not always agreeing with my side is illegals. im sorry maybe its because my family came here in the 30's and 40's the right way, maybe its because my family was treated like crap even though they did it the right way and maybe it because they never have any govt aid and maybe its because the first thing they did was learn english? all I know is I dont think there should be a lot of help for people who came here illegally! I just get very pissed about how different this group is.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

the reason that Hispanics are starting to go more and more to the right is religion. they are a very Christian group and we all know how the repubs love to spew religion and Christianity even if they are all fake Christians who only use it to get elected.

Well the catholic church wants them here. The pews are empty on Sunday mornings except for Spanish mass. They need the parishoners who don't believe in a womans right to choose. Thats why many get pregnant as teenagers and have multiple children.

[Serpico1103]

there are plenty of americans who would rather they die in the street. there are plenty of americans who dont care if america citizens die in the street as long as it doesnt raise their taxes or offer health care for all.

as a liberal myself the one thing i find myself not always agreeing with my side is illegals. im sorry maybe its because my family came here in the 30's and 40's the right way, maybe its because my family was treated like crap even though they did it the right way and maybe it because they never have any govt aid and maybe its because the first thing they did was learn english? all I know is I dont think there should be a lot of help for people who came here illegally! I just get very pissed about how different this group is.

Oh Blowhard, weren't the old days so much better?
You are mad because immigrants in 2010 are different than immigrants in the 30's and 40's?

[Willmore]

Well the catholic church wants them here. The pews are empty on Sunday mornings except for Spanish mass. They need the parishoners who don't believe in a womans right to choose. Thats why many get pregnant as teenagers and have multiple children.

Hey, don't badmouth catholic girls. They put out, unlike the silly "be a virgin until marriage" fundamentalist bullshit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So where does Obama go from here? Does he become Bubba 2.0 and work with the GOP ?

[Dudeman]

So where does Obama go from here? Does he become Bubba 2.0 and work with the GOP ?
or does he go w and run the economy into the ground

[Snacks]

Oh Blowhard, weren't the old days so much better?
You are mad because immigrants in 2010 are different than immigrants in the 30's and 40's?

in a way yes. more so because people dont come here the right way like everyone else does. Also and the main thing I have a problem with is language. The Hispanics are the only group of people who come here and make no effort to learn the language. Its more our fault then theirs because we made it too easy. We created every piece of literature and services to have english and spanish. I really dont know why people get so mad when others bitch about this? Why is it so wrong to expect people that come here to learn english? Every other country in the world you need to learn the language but here we allow people to go lifetimes without speaking to anyone anything but spanish?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

or does he go w and run the economy into the ground

Looks like Cap and trade is dead. So maybe theres a lewinsky in his future

[Dudeman]

Also and the main thing I have a problem with is language. The Hispanics are the only group of people who come here and make no effort to learn the language.

actually this is a fallacy. it appears as though they don't learn the language versus prior immigrant groups. In the past, an imigrant group came in a wave, and the 1st one or two generations didn't speak the language, but eventually later gernerations in america did. The difference with Hispanics is that the immigration hasn't occured in one wave. Those families that have been here for for several generations have learned english. But because new immigrants are still coming, those first and second generation immigrants do still speak spanish.

Details like this take time to tease out. But the Right wants to argue everything with slogans and generalities.

[TripleSkeet]

Why are we obliged to babysit them?

Deny them all services jobs, housing and they will leave. Unfortunately there aren't enough politicians with a spine.

Its called being a fucking human being. You dont deny medical treatment to a person because of where they were born. For Christs sake dont you fucking people get that? Its amazes me that the assholes that share your opinion are the same ones crying about how we need to bring morality and spirituality back to this country.

Jesus would be ashamed that people that claim to live their life based on his teachings would share such a despicable view. Youre a fucking disgrace.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Its called being a fucking human being. You dont deny medical treatment to a person because of where they were born. For Christs sake dont you fucking people get that? Its amazes me that the assholes that share your opinion are the same ones crying about how we need to bring morality and spirituality back to this country.

Jesus would be ashamed that people that claim to live their life based on his teachings would share such a despicable view. Youre a fucking disgrace.



It amazes me when you bring up Jesus and religion when it suits your needs. Yes he encouraged charity but not at the end of a Roman spear.

Youre nothing but a goddamend fake. all of a sudden now youre some bible thumping holy roller. I guess you will be in Church every sunday now!!!!

You tell me where its a law that I must take someone in my house and provide them food and clothing and shelter without them paying for it. If I choose to then its my choice GET IT ????

When Did I ever claim that I was religious youre just assuming stereotypes you hack!!!

[TripleSkeet]

in a way yes. more so because people dont come here the right way like everyone else does. Also and the main thing I have a problem with is language. The Hispanics are the only group of people who come here and make no effort to learn the language. Its more our fault then theirs because we made it too easy. We created every piece of literature and services to have english and spanish. I really dont know why people get so mad when others bitch about this? Why is it so wrong to expect people that come here to learn english? Every other country in the world you need to learn the language but here we allow people to go lifetimes without speaking to anyone anything but spanish?

I agree with you on this to a point. But I dont blame the Mexicans. Im sure when my father got here if they made everything easily accesible to Italian speaking immigrants it wouldve taken him much longer to learn english as well.

I dont agree with making things such as automated phone messages spanish friendly. Youre in America now, so learn english or be dissadvantaged.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I agree with you on this to a point. But I dont blame the Mexicans. Im sure when my father got here if they made everything easily accesible to Italian speaking immigrants it wouldve taken him much longer to learn english as well.

I dont agree with making things such as automated phone messages spanish friendly. Youre in America now, so learn english or be dissadvantaged.

Are you kidding? The illegals barge into this country demanding amnesty, entitlements and citizenship always with their hands out wanting more. They want to get rewarded for braking the law. They may be illiterate and uneducated but they are very cunning and smart. They know how to scam the system. Pump out another kid and receive more entitlements. Crowd the ER's and dont pay a dime.

[TripleSkeet]

It amazes me when you bring up Jesus and religion when it suits your needs. Yes he encouraged charity but not at the end of a Roman spear.

Youre nothing but a goddamend fake all of a sudden now youre some bible thumping holy roller.


When Did I ever claim that I was religious youre just assuming stereotypes you hack!!!

I said the people that share your viewpoint, not you in general.

I have my own take on spirtuality. I believe in God. I believe in Jesus and I believe in his teachings. That being said I dont believe in most of the rules of the church or their opinions on certain things. Thats because these rules were made by men. They werent made with the intention of helping people, they were made in order to further agendas. Much like how the republican party uses religion to gain votes and further their own agenda. Whether they believe in them or not.

If you look at the teachings of Jesus they were very simple. Be good to each other. Treat others as you would like to be treated. Jesus forgave the Romans. He treated a whore. These were people that were shunned in his community. Much like the church shuns gays. Yet you are willing to let a guy die because hes born below an invisible line? Whether youre religious or not that makes you a scumbag.

[TripleSkeet]

Are you kidding? The illegals barge into this country demanding amnesty, entitlements and citizenship always with their hands out wanting more. They want to get rewarded for braking the law. They may be illiterate and uneducated but they are very cunning and smart. They know how to scam the system. Pump out another kid and receive more entitlements. Crowd the ER's and dont pay a dime.

Yea! And they are stealing all those stellar jobs like picking fruit and cutting grass from hard working Americans, right? Yea! Lets all get hurt on purpose so we can crowd the ER and scam them for every penny we can! Sure, thats just what they are doing.

How much rent do you pay in this fucking fantasy world you live in?

[Snacks]

actually this is a fallacy. it appears as though they don't learn the language versus prior immigrant groups. In the past, an imigrant group came in a wave, and the 1st one or two generations didn't speak the language, but eventually later gernerations in america did. The difference with Hispanics is that the immigration hasn't occured in one wave. Those families that have been here for for several generations have learned english. But because new immigrants are still coming, those first and second generation immigrants do still speak spanish.

Details like this take time to tease out. But the Right wants to argue everything with slogans and generalities.

call it a fallacy all you want but my family came here and the ones who came here within months learned the language. If they didnt they wouldnt have gotten jobs. Now maybe little old house wives who came here with their husbands and stayed home and never worked, maybe those people didnt learn the language. but back then you couldnt be hired without learning the language. my grandmother worked in a sweat shop in newark and was speaking english within 3 months. She also wasnt allowed to speak Italian at all during her time at work. The owner wouldnt allow it and she used to tell me that looking back it was the best thing because it forced her to learn the language quicker. thats why we shouldnt make it easy with all this press 2 for spanish crap. when you come here now there is no reason to learn english because you dont have to. everywhere you go everything is in spanish. Sorry but that is the one thing the right is right about when they say they are losing america. come here and bring your culture all you want, most americans will embrace is but make an effort to also assimilate with the country. learning english has also proven to bring immigrants closer and feel more part of this country.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea! And they are stealing all those stellar jobs like picking fruit and cutting grass from hard working Americans, right? Yea! Lets all get hurt on purpose so we can crowd the ER and scam them for every penny we can! Sure, thats just what they are doing.

How much rent do you pay in this fucking fantasy world you live in?

Well I have always said the employers must be held accountable. I also think that there should be a guest worker/seasonal program. Once harvest is over. Adios see you next season.

Im a property owner and my taxes are going to subsidize these people and their anchor babies.

Yes illegals crowd the ER from everything from drinking too much to having another anchor baby. Its their personal medicine cabinet.

[foodcourtdruide]

If Hospitals CHOOSE to thats their prerogative. Also it should be the job of the Churches to take care of the downtrodden. There are tons of Catholic hospitals.

So, if you're poor you must rely on a specific religion to help you? Wow. Just wow.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So, if you're poor you must rely on a specific religion to help you? Wow. Just wow.

There are also tons of charities out there who do a better job than the feds.

[TripleSkeet]

You tell me where its a law that I must take someone in my house and provide them food and clothing and shelter without them paying for it. If I choose to then its my choice GET IT ????


It not a law. Its what makes the difference between a humane indiviual and a fucking scumbag.

Like I said, you may not do so, but your party thumps its chest as the moral right of this country. If justice were true you wouldnt be able to do that while at the same time telling people to deal with their illnesses at home because they conme from somewhere else. Its the ultimate hypocrisy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It not a law. Its what makes the difference between a humane indiviual and a fucking scumbag.

Like I said, you may not do so, but your party thumps its chest as the moral right of this country. If justice were true you wouldnt be able to do that while at the same time telling people to deal with their illnesses at home because they conme from somewhere else. Its the ultimate hypocrisy.

And like I said let it be up to the person. A government should not force anyone to take in anybody it feels is downtrodden. Leave it up to the individual. Guess what? Most will

[foodcourtdruide]

There are also tons of charities out there who do a better job than the feds.

This is the libertarians dream, and it's a fantasy that if executed is a proxy way of tearing up the constitution. Freedom of religion? Sure, but not if you want to live!

In your world our wealthy overlords are privately wealthy individuals, that will determine where and when people in poverty receive things like medical care, food, clothing, etc. And if they don't look the right way, or believe in the right thing, they can lay dead in the gutter. Sorry, that's reality. Stop being such an idealist.

[foodcourtdruide]

And like I said let it be up to the person. A government should not force anyone to take in anybody it feels is downtrodden. Leave it up to the individual. Guess what? Most will

If we left it up to the individual, we'd still have Jim Crowe laws. The government exists to protect those who are downtrodden and not in-favor in society.

[TripleSkeet]

Ok heres something...

My father was a legal immigrant. He came to this country and worked like a dog for 25 years before suffering an ibnjury that put him on disability for life. In that time my mother, born in this country, stayed home raising for 4 kids. Since he got put on disability my fathers healthcare no longer covers my mom.

So shes 55, has no skills other then what she learned graduating high school back in the early 70s, and she works on a cleaning crew at a school, killing herself 8 hours a day with an extremely bad back. Just so she can have healthcare. Is that right? Has this woman not earned the right to healthcare regardless of if she is working or not?

I say she does. And thats why I believe Obamas healthcare system is a good thing and the right thing. I know there are people out there that will abuse it. I know there are people that will lay on their ass their whole life without worry because of it. But I dont care. Because I know there are also people out there like my mom that deserve to be able to go to the hospital without having a ridiculous bill come with it, and those people are going to be able to get what they need.

And yes, some of your tax dollars are gonna pay for it. And yes I really dont give a fuck if you like it or not. My taxes pay for a ton of shit I dont need, care about or find worthy of my money. Shit like tanks and missiles. Yet I gotta pay. So get the fuck over it. Your taxes are going towards actually helping people, alot of which deserve that help. Its really a fucked up thing to cry about.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is the libertarians dream, and it's a fantasy that if executed is a proxy way of tearing up the constitution. Freedom of religion? Sure, but not if you want to live!

In your world our wealthy overlords are privately wealthy individuals, that will determine where and when people in poverty receive things like medical care, food, clothing, etc. And if they don't look the right way, or believe in the right thing, they can lay dead in the gutter. Sorry, that's reality. Stop being such an idealist.

Charities dont operate more efficiently than the government? The billions every year on fraud and waste is staggering

And you encourage more and more handouts? Since religion is being brought up I will paraphrase it. Give a man a fish he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.

[foodcourtdruide]

Charities dont operate more efficiently than the government? The billions every year on fraud and waste is staggering

You are not reading what I'm saying. A charity has the will to help WHO they want. The government must help EVERYONE. Do you understand that?

And you encourage more and more handouts? Since religion is being brought up I will paraphrase it. Give a man a fish he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime

This slogan is meaningless. We live in reality. There is no way the solution will ever be, "let a few thousand people in poverty die, then others in povery will learn they need to change their lifestyles".

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If we left it up to the individual, we'd still have Jim Crowe laws. The government exists to protect those who are downtrodden and not in-favor in society.

Thats not why government exists. If that was the case the federal government's power would be limitless.

[Dudeman]

And you encourage more and more handouts? Since religion is being brought up I will paraphrase it. Give a man a fish he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.

sometimes people fall on hard times due to things outside their control- most often a family member becomes ill- and you'd rather just fuck them over because you think everyone is just sitting on their ass waiting for government handouts.

[foodcourtdruide]

Thats not why government exists. If that was the case the federal government's power would be limitless.

It's why our government exists and it's why your proposals will not work. We will not be a functioning society without a federal government. You think government centralizes power too much, but it actually is what's preventing over-centralization of power.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ok heres something...

My father was a legal immigrant. He came to this country and worked like a dog for 25 years before suffering an ibnjury that put him on disability for life. In that time my mother, born in this country, stayed home raising for 4 kids. Since he got put on disability my fathers healthcare no longer covers my mom.

So shes 55, has no skills other then what she learned graduating high school back in the early 70s, and she works on a cleaning crew at a school, killing herself 8 hours a day with an extremely bad back. Just so she can have healthcare. Is that right? Has this woman not earned the right to healthcare regardless of if she is working or not?

I say she does. And thats why I believe Obamas healthcare system is a good thing and the right thing. I know there are people out there that will abuse it. I know there are people that will lay on their ass their whole life without worry because of it. But I dont care. Because I know there are also people out there like my mom that deserve to be able to go to the hospital without having a ridiculous bill come with it, and those people are going to be able to get what they need.

And yes, some of your tax dollars are gonna pay for it. And yes I really dont give a fuck if you like it or not. My taxes pay for a ton of shit I dont need, care about or find worthy of my money. Shit like tanks and missiles. Yet I gotta pay. So get the fuck over it. Your taxes are going towards actually helping people, alot of which deserve that help. Its really a fucked up thing to cry about.


It shouldnt be the role of the federal government. Let the states be in control. This new healthcare bill might be good in the beginning like Medicare. They didnt expect people to live to their 80's. This is just another waste of money that has unintended consequences

This beast was over 2000 pages. Anyone who thinks its going to bring costs down is insane

[foodcourtdruide]

sometimes people fall on hard times due to things outside their control- most often a family member becomes ill- and you'd rather just fuck them over because you think everyone is just sitting on their ass waiting for government handouts.

It's the thing libertarians deny most. People can be completely fucked over, even though they've lived their life working hard and doing the right thing. I had to tell a libertarian the other day that there are people who work over 40 hours a week and still live below the poverty line. He literally thought that every poor person did not work.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's why our government exists and it's why your proposals will not work. We will not be a functioning society without a federal government. You think government centralizes power too much, but it actually is what's preventing over-centralization of power.

I understand that like unemployment insurance. people have already paid into it so I agree they should get their benefits.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's the thing libertarians deny most. People can be completely fucked over, even though they've lived their life working hard and doing the right thing. I had to tell a libertarian the other day that there are people who work over 40 hours a week and still live below the poverty line. He literally thought that every poor person did not work.

The poverty line is some arbitrary number. I know that there is the working poor but poor people have TVs Cell phones and cars and a roof over their heads.

Compare them to the people in Mogadishu or Calcutta.

[foodcourtdruide]

The poverty line is some arbitrary number. I know that there is the working poor but poor people have TVs Cell phones and cars and a roof over their heads.

Compare them to the people in Mogadishu or Calcutta.

So, you want there to be a class of working people that live in empty rooms with just a mattress on the floor? I don't understand your point. There are people in this country that work extremely hard and cannot afford to provide for their families. Do you listen to the Ron and Fez show? Did you hear the interview with the woman that did a documentary on families that are forced to live in hotels because they can't afford housing? Those are very real situations, and while those people may have made some bad decisions in their lives, we as a society, cannot let them simply starve to death.

And why bring up Mogadishu or Clacutta? We're talking about poor people in America.

[foodcourtdruide]

The poverty line is some arbitrary number. I know that there is the working poor but poor people have TVs Cell phones and cars and a roof over their heads.

Compare them to the people in Mogadishu or Calcutta.

You bringing up Mogadishu and Clacutta would be like me saying, "you think we pay a lot of taxes? Look at England! So, stop complaining" It's just irrelevant to our conversation.

[Dudeman]

The poverty line is some arbitrary number. I know that there is the working poor but poor people have TVs Cell phones and cars and a roof over their heads.

Compare them to the people in Mogadishu or Calcutta.

you use some (questionably theoretical) examples of a person abusing government services. We're taking about real people who work or want to work, but the realities of modern living have screwed them over and they need help.

Have you ever been to a homeless shelter? have you ever worked with families that are marginally housed?

These people so often have had someone in the family get ill- and the combination of the person who is ill with the bills from the treatment for their loved one have made it difficult to meet the needs of their family (shelter and food.) They want a job, they want shelter and food, but when you are stuggling for housing every few days, it is hard.

[Snacks]

i disgree with obamas healthcare bill because he didnt go far enough. he said he was going to make a public option, health care for all. All he really did was make an option that offer healthcare to people with pre existing conditions. the problem is he didnt place a cap on that. In NJ they started to offer the obama plan only to people with pre existing conditions. its unfordable and not worth it. The price is $350 to $450 per month and the coverage is limited with very high copays and deductibles with awful prescription plans. The $350 to $450 a month isnt a bad price but the other expenses will kill you that it doesnt cover or waits to cover. He made healthcare available but the scumbag insurance companies will make it so expensive and bd coverage that people will still be fucked.

[Zorro]

The poverty line is some arbitrary number. I know that there is the working poor but poor people have TVs Cell phones and cars and a roof over their heads.



The number is not arbitrary, but it may not reflect reality as it does not include does not include government assistance.

So someone who makes 7K plus food stamps, plus cash benefits, plus medicaid is statistically considered to only make the 7K. There is logic to doing it this way as you don't want redistributed money counted as income for poverty purposes, but it does skew the view.

[sailor]

So, how 'bout them elections?

[foodcourtdruide]

i disgree with obamas healthcare bill because he didnt go far enough. he said he was going to make a public option, health care for all. All he really did was make an option that offer healthcare to people with pre existing conditions. the problem is he didnt place a cap on that. In NJ they started to offer the obama plan only to people with pre existing conditions. its unfordable and not worth it. The price is $350 to $450 per month and the coverage is limited with very high copays and deductibles with awful prescription plans. The $350 to $450 a month isnt a bad price but the other expenses will kill you that it doesnt cover or waits to cover. He made healthcare available but the scumbag insurance companies will make it so expensive and bd coverage that people will still be fucked.

This is why it made me laugh when commentators last night were like, "this means Obama needs to become more moderate." I swear, in this country "moderate" means "republican".

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you use some (questionably theoretical) examples of a person abusing government services. We're taking about real people who work or want to work, but the realities of modern living have screwed them over and they need help.

Have you ever been to a homeless shelter? have you ever worked with families that are marginally housed?

These people so often have had someone in the family get ill- and the combination of the person who is ill with the bills from the treatment for their loved one have made it difficult to meet the needs of their family (shelter and food.) They want a job, they want shelter and food, but when you are stuggling for housing every few days, it is hard.

Ive been unemployed and it sucks, Luckily I was able to deliver pizzas and bartend. First, I dont think every poor person is an evil lazy sloth who wants to sit on their ass and collect handouts. Im sure we all know at least 1 person who is unemployed/facing rough times. My brother got out of the Navy after 20 years back in 2009 and with his background still is unable to find a job. Him his wife and my niece are living with my parents until he's able to find something. He has his navy pension but he still wants to work hes only 39. However with bad times there needs to be some responsibility. Him and my sister in law want another child but they can't afford it now because of his situation. Most people unemployed do want to work.

My point is that there are also many people who are happy getting the handout and as long as someone is subsidizing them then they are comfortable.


I do find it reprehensible that our government is allowing illegal aliens , to receive entitlements, welfare etc because they happened to scale a wall or overstay their visa.

[Dudeman]

Ive been unemployed and it sucks, Luckily I was able to deliver pizzas and bartend. First, I dont think every poor person is an evil lazy sloth who wants to sit on their ass and collect handouts. Im sure we all know at least 1 person who is unemployed/facing rough times. My brother got out of the Navy after 20 years back in 2009 and with his background still is unable to find a job. Him his wife and my niece are living with my parents until he's able to find something. He has his navy pension but he still wants to work hes only 39. However with bad times there needs to be some responsibility. Him and my sister in law want another child but they can't afford it now because of his situation. Most people unemployed do want to work.

My point is that there are also many people who are happy getting the handout and as long as someone is subsidizing them then they are comfortable.


I do find it reprehensible that our government is allowing illegal aliens , to receive entitlements, welfare etc because they happened to scale a wall or overstay their visa.

Then you don't through out the social services altogether, or vilify all who use or support them. Instead you acknowledge their unfortunate necessity, work to prevent people from needing them (ie. healthcare reform to cover more people so their family doesnt get destroyed when someone gets ill), and work to reform the services so they aren't abused or mismanaged.

[Dudeman]

I do find it reprehensible that our government is allowing illegal aliens , to receive entitlements, welfare etc because they happened to scale a wall or overstay their visa.

Ok. But what can we do if an illegal alien brings their baby into an ER with respiratory distress? Should we treat that child? What if the ER doctor doesn't have time to check the status of the family before giving an albuterol treatment, or placing and IV and giving a fluid bolus, or intubating the baby?

I don't think there is an easy answer. But blanket statements and slogans won't help answer them. It is about real people and real situations.

[Zorro]

Memo to Patty Murray. The Senate has dental !

[brettmojo]

Ok. But what can we do if an illegal alien brings their baby into an ER with respiratory distress?
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[Dude!]

Memo to Patty Murray. The Senate has dental !

yeah, i noticed that
last night...ugh

she is a dreadful person
in all respects

[Dude!]

kind of lost in all
the national races,
is the fact Reps swept through
a number of state legislatures

Reuters: Republicans will fill more
state legislative seats than they have
since 1928, Storey said.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ok. But what can we do if an illegal alien brings their baby into an ER with respiratory distress? Should we treat that child? What if the ER doctor doesn't have time to check the status of the family before giving an albuterol treatment, or placing and IV and giving a fluid bolus, or intubating the baby?

I don't think there is an easy answer. But blanket statements and slogans won't help answer them. It is about real people and real situations.

Of course there are situations like that. I guess it depends on the doctor. I know they take the hippocratic (sp) oath and that they should do no harm however what if the doctor demands payment. After all in his opinion he went thrua ll that schooling racked up a ton of debt. I know doctors are in it to help people but also its for the money as with any other profession. I guess it depends on the doctor

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Then you don't through out the social services altogether, or vilify all who use or support them. Instead you acknowledge their unfortunate necessity, work to prevent people from needing them (ie. healthcare reform to cover more people so their family doesnt get destroyed when someone gets ill), and work to reform the services so they aren't abused or mismanaged.

I think there should be safety nets like charities but not at the federal level. I believe that it should be done at the state level. Maybe tax alcohol and cigars / cigarettes a little higher.

[epo]

I think there should be safety nets like charities but not at the federal level. I believe that it should be done at the state level. Maybe tax alcohol and cigars / cigarettes a little higher.

That is such a backwards answer for so many reasons.

Social services designed by states encourage migration of the working poor from state to state, hence shifting the tax burden to states that are more progressive.

The other thing you are wrong about is the "cigarette tax" line. Realistically at the state levels, the major sources of revenue are income & property and aren't very progressive by their nature, hence further shifting tax burdens to the middle class.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That is such a backwards answer for so many reasons.

Social services designed by states encourage migration of the working poor from state to state, hence shifting the tax burden to states that are more progressive.

The other thing you are wrong about is the "cigarette tax" line. Realistically at the state levels, the major sources of revenue are income & property and aren't very progressive by their nature, hence further shifting tax burdens to the middle class.

If a program fails at the state levelit can be axed and something else can replace it. On the federal level we are unfortunately stuck with it.

There are some states without a state income tax. As far as people moving to another state it happened this year in droves. When AZ passed 1070 many people went to CA and NM.

[A.J.]

Maybe tax alcohol and cigars / cigarettes a little higher.

Let's tax fast food for a change.

[Jujubees2]

Let's tax fast food for a change.

Yeah but only for people who smoke.

[A.J.]

Yeah but only for people who smoke.

Hater.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oklahoma bans sharia law


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325986/Sharia-law-banned-Oklahoma-US-state-veto-Islamic-code.html

[epo]

Oklahoma bans sharia law


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325986/Sharia-law-banned-Oklahoma-US-state-veto-Islamic-code.html

The folks in Panderville must be proud.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The folks in Panderville must be proud.

Against separation of Mosque and State?

[A.J.]

Oklahoma bans sharia law


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325986/Sharia-law-banned-Oklahoma-US-state-veto-Islamic-code.html

You're doin' fine, Oklahoma!
Oklahoma O.K.

[Willmore]

So where does Obama go from here? Does he become Bubba 2.0 and work with the GOP ?

See Clinton/Gingrich '95.

[A.J.]

So where does Obama go from here? Does he become Bubba 2.0 and work with the GOP ?

See Clinton/Gingrich '95.

Woo hoo! Government shutdown!

[Serpico1103]

Oklahoma bans sharia law


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325986/Sharia-law-banned-Oklahoma-US-state-veto-Islamic-code.html

The Republican-controlled state legislature in Oklahoma has already passed State Question 755, or ‘Save Our State’ with an 82-10 vote in the House of Representative and a 41-2 vote in the Senate.

Save our State? Wow, they know how simple their constituents are.

Sharia has many interpretations and in Britain Islamic courts are often used to resolve community disputes involving minor disagreements or matters not considered appropriate for conventional legal measures.


Worst case- used to resolve minor disagreements and matters not appropriate for conventional legal measures. In other words, irrational paranoia.

[Zorro]

Save our State? Wow, they know how simple their constituents are.



Worst case- used to resolve minor disagreements and matters not appropriate for conventional legal measures. In other words, irrational paranoia.

It's only irrational if you're not on the bad end of it as many women would be

[Serpico1103]

It's only irrational if you're not on the bad end of it as many women would be

Many women in Europe are on the bad end of Sharia law used in their state courts? Has there been an instance of violence due to Sharia law being used in US courts?
Paranoia.
Yes, Sharia law in middle eastern countries is a problem, but this law is aimed at the European model. Using Sharia law as persuasive precedent, not as a basis for stoning women or cutting off hands.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Save our State? Wow, they know how simple their constituents are.



Worst case- used to resolve minor disagreements and matters not appropriate for conventional legal measures. In other words, irrational paranoia.

Minor disagreements?


http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/07/27/sharia-creeps-into-new-jersey-courtroom-%E2%80%93-but-gets-short-shrift-on-appeal/

[Serpico1103]

Minor disagreements?


http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/07/27/sharia-creeps-into-new-jersey-courtroom-%E2%80%93-but-gets-short-shrift-on-appeal/

Seems the system worked. But, let's change it anyway.
If you don't see a law titled "Save our State" as a way to frighten people...I wanted to say you are more delusional than I thought, but no, you are just as delusional as I thought.

[Zorro]

Many women in Europe are on the bad end of Sharia law used in their state courts? Has there been an instance of violence due to Sharia law being used in US courts?
Paranoia.
Yes, Sharia law in middle eastern countries is a problem, but this law is aimed at the European model. Using Sharia law as persuasive precedent, not as a basis for stoning women or cutting off hands.

Who said anything about stoning or execution. If you think that even in minor disagreements that women get a fair shake under Sharia then you're delusional.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Seems the system worked. But, let's change it anyway.
If you don't see a law titled "Save our State" as a way to frighten people...I wanted to say you are more delusional than I thought, but no, you are just as delusional as I thought.

Why use another version to interpret the law. It seems like when it comes to Islam you want to get all religious and self righteous. Do you want a theocracy like in Iran?

[Serpico1103]

Who said anything about stoning or execution. If you think that even in minor disagreements that women get a fair shake under Sharia then you're delusional.

I know Sharia law is insane, so the is the justice system of all major religions, luckily Christians are too lazy to enforce theirs.
I also think that anyone living in Oklahoma is insane for thinking they should be concerned about Sharia affecting them to the extent necessary to pass a law entitled "Save our State."

[Serpico1103]

Why use another version to interpret the law. It seems like when it comes to Islam you want to get all religious and self righteous. Do you want a theocracy like in Iran?

Version of what?
The judge used Islam to interpret the man's intent, not to interpret the law. The appeals court held it was improper.
Islam is a crazy religion that has held onto its true beliefs, Christians are seen as sane because their beliefs have evolved as society demanded it. Muslims still believe in the Koran, very few Christians still believe in or truly follow the Bible.

[Barnaby Jones]

People in America are afraid of Sharia Law?!?!? Hollllyyyyyyyy shit, that's funny!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

People in America are afraid of Sharia Law?!?!? Hollllyyyyyyyy shit, that's funny!!!!

Bill Maher is. And hes not a teabagger


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[foodcourtdruide]

Bill Maher is. And hes not a teabagger


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Bill Maher is a well-documented hater of religion. Don't really understand why you're bringing this up here. Are you trying to make a point that there are people on the left that don't like Islam? Do you think anyone would dispute that?

[Barnaby Jones]

Bill Maher is. And hes not a teabagger


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Bill Maher is some kind of expert?!?? What a weird response from you!!! What did you think it proved?

[Serpico1103]

Bible used to give man death penalty (http://boingboing.net/2009/04/21/court-turns-down-cha.html)
And again. (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/national/29bible.html) SAVE OUR STATE FROM CHRISTIANITY!
I am sure there are many more examples of biblical code being used than Sharia law. Why are we still swearing on a Bible? Separation of Church and State?

Should we pass laws banning use of the Bible by the Judge or jury? The law was passed to frighten people, not to address a real problem.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bible used to give man death penalty (http://boingboing.net/2009/04/21/court-turns-down-cha.html)
And again. (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/national/29bible.html) SAVE OUR STATE FROM CHRISTIANITY!
I am sure there are many more examples of biblical code being used than Sharia law. Why are we still swearing on a Bible? Separation of Church and State?

Should we pass laws banning use of the Bible by the Judge or jury? The law was passed to frighten people, not to address a real problem.

Save our state from ALL religious law. I dont want a judge interpreting the book of Leviticus

[Serpico1103]

Save our state from ALL religious law. I dont want a judge interpreting the book of Leviticus

Exactly. Only addressing Sharia law is pandering to the religious right wackos, not adhering to the 1st amendment.
Side note, why is it that the right wants the Constitution read strictly as it was written, but they have no problem with reinterpreting God's word? The Church is constantly changing the meaning of passages in the Bible. So, the founding fathers are infallible, but God isn't?

[A.J.]

Side note, why is it that the right wants the Constitution read strictly as it was written, but they have no problem with reinterpreting God's word? The Church is constantly changing the meaning of passages in the Bible. So, the founding fathers are infallible, but God isn't?

Yet some on the far right interpret all of the holy books as literal and yet support reinterpreting the Constitution unless it protects religious freedoms and/or life.

[Serpico1103]

Yet some on the far right interpret all of the holy books as literal and yet support reinterpreting the Constitution unless it protects religious freedoms and/or life.

None of them interpret the Bible literally. They select a few passages that serve their needs and hold onto them.

[A.J.]

None of them interpret the Bible literally. They select a few passages that serve their needs and hold onto them.

Welll, yes, that's what I meant. Whenever I hear "the Bible says...." -- I cringe.

[brettmojo]

Is everything better now?

No?

WTF?

If we're all not millionaires in two years lets vote all these fuckers out too.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Is everything better now?

No?

WTF?

If we're all not millionaires in two years lets vote all these fuckers out too.

We might be trillionaires. Then again our money wont be worth as much. Wouldnt be surprised if we had a US version of this

http://lee.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/zimbabwe-100-trillion-dollar-bill-obverse.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If the house had a spine, they would elect Ron Paul as speaker. instead we might see a tanning bed on the house floor

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Just crossed the wire. Patti Murray beats Dino Rossi in WA senate race

[epo]

If the house had a spine, they would elect Ron Paul as speaker. instead we might see a tanning bed on the house floor

Might?

The man has a tanning bed with an ashtray waiting for him.

[Barnaby Jones]

If the house was completely insane, they would elect Ron Paul as speaker.

Fixed that for ya!!!!

[Dude!]

Might?

The man has a tanning bed with an ashtray waiting for him.

as a sign of bipartisanism
he could share the ashtray
with the smoker-in-chief

[Willmore]

Just crossed the wire. Patti Murray beats Dino Rossi in WA senate race

Dino Rossi is a horrible republican candidate. Yet the Washington republican party is in such disarray that he is the only one they could find. He was the guy they picked to run for governor twice, and now for senate, and he lost all 3 times.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Your new Minority leader


http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Politics/images-2/nancy-pelosi-scary.jpg


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/05/boren-the-latest-dem-to-urge-pelosi-to-step-down/?hpt=T2

[Dude!]

Your new Minority leader


http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Politics/images-2/nancy-pelosi-scary.jpg


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/05/boren-the-latest-dem-to-urge-pelosi-to-step-down/?hpt=T2



she is the giift
that will keep on giving

"stop obama and pelosi"
worked in this election
and it will be death to the dems
in 2012

goodbye to....
Florida
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Virginia
Indiana
Wisconsin
New Hampshire
etc.

Pelosi is a gift from God
to the republicans

[Pitdoc]

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Pelosi is a gift from God
to the republicans[/QUOTE]

Like John "The Orange Man" will be to Dems in 2012. Someone should remind him now that he supposedly runs the Congress, HE'S the problem, not Dems . Luckily for him, our slow pullout of this recession will continue, and he'll take the credit ( for no real reason) and use it hurt the Dems . BUT ,if he tries to enact major league tax cuts for his owners, or deregulate the fuckers that got us here in the first place , the Repubs will be in trouble (Oh, who am I kidding? The Dems , including Obama ,will be the same milquetoasts they've been for the past 2 yrs, and not use it)

[Dude!]

Like John "The Orange Man" will be to Dems in 2012. Someone should remind him now that he supposedly runs the Congress, HE'S the problem, not Dems . Luckily for him, our slow pullout of this recession will continue, and he'll take the credit ( for no real reason) and use it hurt the Dems . BUT ,if he tries to enact major league tax cuts for his owners, or deregulate the fuckers that got us here in the first place , the Repubs will be in trouble (Oh, who am I kidding? The Dems , including Obama ,will be the same milquetoasts they've been for the past 2 yrs, and not use it)

things like this will tell if you are
right or wrong...

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/127879-boehner-pressed-to-cut-pay-of-lawmakers

if Boehner does stuff like this,
then it means he understands symbolism
and will have great success

if he doesn't do it,
then you'll be right

[Pitdoc]

things like this will tell if you are
right or wrong...

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/127879-boehner-pressed-to-cut-pay-of-lawmakers

if Boehner does stuff like this,
then it means he understands symbolism
and will have great success

if he doesn't do it,
then you'll be right

He'd be smart to do it, as his owners could just pay him the difference ( Witness Reagan's 1 million "speakers fee ") . Like Sarah P. with her $10K fee, even when speaking at "motivational " rallies ,like Beck's in Washington. 3 speeches for bankers, and Boehner & Repubs could pocket their own paychecks. Of course, that would be perfectly legal, as he wouldn't OWE the bankers anything.

[Barnaby Jones]

The exit polls mostly show that Pelosi had relatively little impact on how people decided to vote, but keep thinking that she did!!!

[A.J.]

The exit polls mostly show that Pelosi had relatively little impact on how people decided to vote, but keep thinking that she did!!!

Maybe not, but she DID impact how vulnerable Democrats campaigned.

[epo]

Your new Minority leader


http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Politics/images-2/nancy-pelosi-scary.jpg


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/05/boren-the-latest-dem-to-urge-pelosi-to-step-down/?hpt=T2

I really find the "lets use an ugly photoshopped or out of context photo" gimmick to be tiresome.

If you don't like Pelosi, fine so be it...that's your prerogative. But can we seriously stop the 3rd grade mentality bullshit?

[Dude!]

But can we seriously stop the 3rd grade mentality bullshit?

right on!

you people need to grow TF up
and stop acting like 3rd graders