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weekapaugjz

12-01-2010, 06:50 PM

what the fuck does 5-D even mean?

and WF do you even live in kentucky? if not, it's not your problem (but maybe knox's). let those backward fucks do whatever they want with their money.

from an msnbc article
Ark Encounter developers seek to recover under state tourism development laws up to 25 percent of the project's cost by recouping sales tax revenue paid to the state on tickets, lodging and other goods.

they are using "taxpayers" dollars to bring more revenue into the state. what is so wrong with that?

WRESTLINGFAN

12-01-2010, 06:55 PM

what the fuck does 5-D even mean?

and WF do you even live in kentucky? if not, it's not your problem (but maybe knox's). let those backward fucks do whatever they want with their money.

from an msnbc article

they are using "taxpayers" dollars to bring more revenue into the state. what is so wrong with that?

Thats not the point. Should taxpayer dollars be used to build a theme park? Also will non christians be able to work there? Taxpayer dollars shouldnt be used for Muslim footbaths in State universities like in Michigan or subsidizing a Christian based theme park

Do they make 5-D glasses ?

weekapaugjz

12-01-2010, 07:03 PM

Thats not the point. Should taxpayer dollars be used to build a theme park?

if it brings money into the state's economy? then yes.

which looks like it will do because jesus lover's love to spend money on jesus related things.

Also will non christians be able to work there?

i'm sure they could, by why would they want to?

Taxpayer dollars shouldnt be used for Muslim footbaths in State universities like in Michigan or subsidizing a Christian based theme park

aren't state universities already paid for by taxpayers dollars? why would any additions be excluded?

Do they make 5-D glasses ?

who fucking knows. what even is the fifth dimension? it probably has something to do with jesus...

WRESTLINGFAN

12-01-2010, 07:11 PM

if it brings money into the state's economy? then yes.

which looks like it will do because jesus lover's love to spend money on jesus related things.

i'm sure they could, by why would they want to?

aren't state universities already paid for by taxpayers dollars? why would any additions be excluded?

who fucking knows. what even is the fifth dimension? it probably has something to do with jesus...

Separation of church and state issues are here. KY will be using tax dollars for Christianity. Sure tax dollars pay for State Univ and Colleges but now theres religion involved. If they want to extend the science center, labs etc or build new dorms then thats one thing , leave religion out.

Judge Smails

12-01-2010, 07:16 PM

what even is the fifth dimension? it probably has something to do with jesus...

That's where Jesus goes to fight Mr. Mxyzptlk.

weekapaugjz

12-01-2010, 07:16 PM

Separation of church and state issues are here. KY will be using tax dollars for Christianity. Sure tax dollars pay for State Univ and Colleges but now theres religion involved. If they want to extend the science center, labs etc or build new dorms then thats one thing , leave religion out.

who fucking cares if it involves the church? it's a theme park that will bring in a lot of money for the state.

Recyclerz

12-01-2010, 07:36 PM

who fucking knows. what even is the fifth dimension? it probably has something to do with jesus...

Since Blowhard doesn't post here any more

http://www.blacktoptens.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/FifthDimension.jpg

When Rand Paul takes office will they switch it to an Aqua Buddha theme park? That sounds both refreshing and relaxing. I might even go.

Snacks

12-01-2010, 07:36 PM

Separation of church and state issues are here. KY will be using tax dollars for Christianity. Sure tax dollars pay for State Univ and Colleges but now theres religion involved. If they want to extend the science center, labs etc or build new dorms then thats one thing , leave religion out.

thanks i was just about to post this.

lets see how christians would feel if musilums wanted money from tax payers to build something

If I want to build an agnostic/atheists center would everyone support with tax dollars? What if I said please?

Snacks

12-01-2010, 07:38 PM

who fucking cares if it involves the church? it's a theme park that will bring in a lot of money for the state.

"Kentucky Announces Creationist Theme Park" It is a religious based property. I would bet they will get tax credits or pay no taxes because it will be considered a religous/tax exempt corporation. Separation of church and state. what is the problem? It will be bringing money to a certain religion not everyone.

weekapaugjz

12-01-2010, 07:53 PM

"Kentucky Announces Creationist Theme Park" It is a religious based property. I would bet they will get tax credits or pay no taxes because it will be considered a religous/tax exempt corporation. Separation of church and state. what is the problem? It will be bringing money to a certain religion not everyone.

so you don't think jesus lovers coming into the state of kentucky won't spend money on hotels, restaurants, malls, etc., thus pumping money into the state economy plus sales tax on whatever they are spending on?

SatCam

12-01-2010, 07:54 PM

i feel like we argue the opposite of whatever wrestlingfan is supporting. im perfectly ok with that

weekapaugjz

12-01-2010, 07:56 PM

If I want to build an agnostic/atheists center would everyone support with tax dollars? What if I said please?

how would your agnostic/atheist center bring in anywhere near the money a theme park like this could generate?

look, i pretty much hate all organized religion, but when is it ever a bad thing to create jobs and bring in money to an economy that has been in the dumps for the last few years?

torker

12-01-2010, 08:31 PM

StanUpshaw

12-01-2010, 08:49 PM

so you don't think jesus lovers coming into the state of kentucky won't spend money on hotels, restaurants, malls, etc., thus pumping money into the state economy plus sales tax on whatever they are spending on?

The citizenry would benefit equally no matter where the money comes from. And if it's such a guaranteed success, there will be no problem coming up with private funding.

But investors realize it's nowhere close to a sure thing. They probably look at the kind of struggles (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080110/holy-land-theme-park-gets-makeover/) other Bible-themed parks have had and don't want to take the gamble.

Snacks

12-01-2010, 08:57 PM

how would your agnostic/atheist center bring in anywhere near the money a theme park like this could generate?

look, i pretty much hate all organized religion, but when is it ever a bad thing to create jobs and bring in money to an economy that has been in the dumps for the last few years?

its not supposed to be about money being brought in its about money going out to a religious institution when no tax dollars are supposed to do that. why is that so hard to understand. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!

Religions already get away with paying no taxes when they should!

PapaBear

12-01-2010, 09:00 PM

They probably look at the kind of struggles other Bible-themed parks have had and don't want to take the gamble.
Some of them do fine, until they discover the real reason behind the "miracle"

http://www.3click.tv/mp4//The%20Simpsons/season%2012/metadata/55719.jpg

weekapaugjz

12-01-2010, 09:16 PM

its not supposed to be about money being brought in its about money going out to a religious institution when no tax dollars are supposed to do that. why is that so hard to understand. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!

Religions already get away with paying no taxes when they should!

of course it's about bringing money in. that's the point of tourism.

Snacks

12-01-2010, 09:26 PM

of course it's about bringing money in. that's the point of tourism.

should the Mormon Tabernacle get money from taxpayers to build a new wing? I would bet they bring more tourism into Utah then this stupid theme park will.

How about Great Adventure, should they get money from taxpayers to bring in a Green Lantern ride next summer?

No to all so why should a religious theme park get tax dollars especially when there is supposed to be a separation?

I cant see how you could argue this? Im guessing only because your a christian because you basically said you wouldnt support a similar idea if it was for atheist/agnostics.

weekapaugjz

12-01-2010, 09:37 PM

I cant see how you could argue this? Im guessing only because your a christian because you basically said you wouldnt support a similar idea if it was for atheist/agnostics.

can you fucking read? what i said, was how could this atheist center you proposed bring in money for the state? as per a previous post of mine, i don't believe in god and i pretty much despise organized religion, but that's besides the point. if a state putting money into a project that will bring money into said state, i will support that. anything that will increase jobs and monetary flow.

i'm sure you've never been to a sports arena that's been publicly financed have you? it's not some "religious institution" it's a theme park/tourism trap with a religious theme.

weekapaugjz

12-01-2010, 09:39 PM

That's where Jesus goes to fight Mr. Mxyzptlk.

:lol:

Snacks

12-01-2010, 09:43 PM

can you fucking read? what i said, was how could this atheist center you proposed bring in money for the state? as per a previous post of mine, i don't believe in god and i pretty much despise organized religion, but that's besides the point. if a state putting money into a project that will bring money into said state, i will support that. anything that will increase jobs and monetary flow.

i'm sure you've never been to a sports arena that's been publicly financed have you? it's not some "religious institution" it's a theme park/tourism trap with a religious theme.

but it is a religious institution that will be teaching christian creationism but using a theme park as its church. OK smart ass, will this theme park be tax exempt or will it be paying taxes like Disney, great adventure, etc?

If they are tax exempt as a religious institution then they deserve dick!

weekapaugjz

12-01-2010, 09:55 PM

but it is a religious institution that will be teaching christian creationism but using a theme park as its church. OK smart ass, will this theme park be tax exempt or will it be paying taxes like Disney, great adventure, etc?

If they are tax exempt as a religious institution then they deserve dick!

i have no fucking clue. but from what i'm reading in a few other articles, ark encounters, llc is a for profit company (i'm no tax lawyer, but i'd suspect they'd have to pay taxes).

a few quotes from kentucky's governer:
The people of Kentucky didn't elect me governor to debate religion. They elected me governor to create jobs. That's what we're doing here, and that's what we're going to continue to do.

and

There's nothing even remotely unconstitutional about a for-profit organization coming in and investing $150 million to create jobs in Kentucky and bring tourism to Kentucky.

StanUpshaw

12-01-2010, 10:04 PM

So are they actually receiving taxpayer money to build it, or are they just planning on taking advantage of an existing tax law that applies to all theme parks?

The former I'd be opposed to for both 1st Amendment and free-market reasons.

If it's only the latter, then I don't understand how anyone can deny them. How can you claim that tax breaks apply to Corporation A's theme park, but not Corporation B's theme park? The subsidy has nothing to do with an endorsement of the park's theme, its goal is to provide incentive for tourist operations. If anything, they'd have the 1st Amendment on their side.

weekapaugjz

12-01-2010, 10:11 PM

again, the quote from msnbc's article:
Ark Encounter developers seek to recover under state tourism development laws up to 25 percent of the project's cost by recouping sales tax revenue paid to the state on tickets, lodging and other goods.

seems like the latter to me.

A.J.

12-02-2010, 04:19 AM

There will also be a "replica of the Tower of Babel

I guess we'll have to learn a new language.

Contra

12-02-2010, 03:14 PM

I can't wait for the red sea dash where the water stays split for the kid but comes crashing down on the parent as they chase them

weekapaugjz

12-02-2010, 04:30 PM

I can't wait for the red sea dash where the water stays split for the kid but comes crashing down on the parent as they chase them

i'm looking forward to the dinosaurs and unicorns on the ark itself.

Misteriosa

12-02-2010, 04:51 PM

will the new park be anything like this?

http://www.holylandexperience.com/

(its on the way to universal and makes me laugh every time i see it)

Sinestro

12-03-2010, 02:14 AM

will the new park be anything like this?

http://www.holylandexperience.com/

(its on the way to universal and makes me laugh every time i see it)

It's more of an educational experience not a theme park (as it has no rides). I've been there a couple of times. They are building another addition to the place. It's come a long way since it was first opened.

A.J.

12-03-2010, 04:17 AM

will the new park be anything like this?

http://www.holylandexperience.com/

(its on the way to universal and makes me laugh every time i see it)

It's been done before (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land_USA)

http://www.roadtripmemories.com/roadmaveness/holyland.htm

Zorro

12-03-2010, 08:43 AM

It's more of an educational experience not a theme park (as it has no rides). I've been there a couple of times. They are building another addition to the place. It's come a long way since it was first opened.

It's owned by the Trinity Broadcasting Network the leading send your money and God will send you back more programming.

Earlshog

12-03-2010, 08:51 AM

i'm looking forward to the dinosaurs and unicorns on the ark itself.

are they baby dinosaurs?

Earlshog

12-03-2010, 08:59 AM

2010 and these knuckle draggers are bringing the family out to Noah's ark theme park. Glen Beck has to do a remote opening day. It would be humorous if it wasn't so depressing.

spoon

12-03-2010, 09:49 AM

Here's one of the INTERACTIVE SING ALONG rides in planning.

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spoon

12-03-2010, 09:52 AM

They use this version once a year just for Snacks.

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/AGyLRWzMfW4?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/AGyLRWzMfW4?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

Snacks

12-03-2010, 10:39 AM

Furtherman

12-03-2010, 10:45 AM

It's amazing that it could cost so much to insult the human race.

Gutter

12-03-2010, 10:49 AM

keithy_19

12-03-2010, 11:42 AM

I guess we'll have to learn a new language.

:lol:

I think we're not thinking about what matters. RonFez.net bar night in Kentucky.

keithy_19

12-03-2010, 11:49 AM

i know an uncle paul that came in his one-sy one-sy after watching this video about the kidsy kidsy's and the arky arky made out of barky barky.

Why were the kids trying to flip over a dead pig?

Gutter

12-03-2010, 11:53 AM

Why were the kids trying to flip over a dead pig?

i didn't get that far......i came before the first chorus....decided to save the rest for another time.

hanso

12-03-2010, 03:22 PM

It's amazing that it could cost so much to insult the human race.

Tax write off?? Oh wait, Don't think they have to pay any.

NewYorkDragons80

12-03-2010, 03:47 PM

Also will non christians be able to work there?

Legally, they cannot be prevented from working there. Will this theme park pay taxes like any other theme park? If so, then it is not a religious institution in the eyes of the law; it's a business. The moment it tries for some religion-related tax exemptions, let me know. Otherwise, this is a non-issue.

Syd

12-03-2010, 05:56 PM

Legally, they cannot be prevented from working there. Will this theme park pay taxes like any other theme park? If so, then it is not a religious institution in the eyes of the law; it's a business. The moment it tries for some religion-related tax exemptions, let me know. Otherwise, this is a non-issue.

They're not paying taxes through a clever loophole of sorts that allows free admission to the park a few weeks a year from what I remember reading.

TripleSkeet

12-03-2010, 08:47 PM

Some of them do fine, until they discover the real reason behind the "miracle"

http://www.3click.tv/mp4//The%20Simpsons/season%2012/metadata/55719.jpg

Fuck! Just saw this thread and was hoping nobody beat me to it.

StanUpshaw

12-03-2010, 08:51 PM

Bemusement park!

Justice4all

12-03-2010, 08:54 PM

I still don't understand how OLD testament makes is a Christian theme park when it would be more accurate to make it Judaism.

Syd

12-03-2010, 09:29 PM

I still don't understand how OLD testament makes is a Christian theme park when it would be more accurate to make it Judaism.

like the Bible has ever stopped any of the southern Evangelical's beliefs

StanUpshaw

12-03-2010, 09:37 PM

I still don't understand how OLD testament makes is a Christian theme park when it would be more accurate to make it Judaism.

How does that make any sense?

It's Christian because it's being built by Christians.

NewYorkDragons80

12-04-2010, 02:25 AM

They're not paying taxes through a clever loophole of sorts that allows free admission to the park a few weeks a year from what I remember reading.

Is it a tax break or is it tax exempt status? I still don't see this as government endorsing a religion, it's a religiously-oriented business using tax advantages. The only way I'd disagree with their tax status would be if the legislation was tailored to them.

StanUpshaw

12-04-2010, 03:24 AM

Is it a tax break or is it tax exempt status? I still don't see this as government endorsing a religion, it's a religiously-oriented business using tax advantages. The only way I'd disagree with their tax status would be if the legislation was tailored to them.

The deal with this park is that they're hoping to qualify for a Kentucky tourism law (completely unrelated to religion) that gives them kickbacks from the sales tax they generate; incentivizing tourist attractions and the supposed boon they provide the area.

What syd might be thinking of is the "Holy Land Experience" in Florida, which, after some contrivances of the law, has been ruled exempt from property taxes to the tune of $300,000/yr.

Syd

12-04-2010, 05:49 AM

Probably, remembered it because it was so damn clever. Open a few weeks a year and lose money on lost ticket sales but have everything back on account of tax-exempt status.

spoon

12-04-2010, 05:14 PM

The LORD
told Noah
to build him an arky arky!

OGC

12-04-2010, 07:42 PM

NewYorkDragons80

12-04-2010, 08:24 PM

The deal with this park is that they're hoping to qualify for a Kentucky tourism law (completely unrelated to religion) that gives them kickbacks from the sales tax they generate; incentivizing tourist attractions and the supposed boon they provide the area.

Without knowing the law specifically, I don't see how the religious viewpoint the park endorses should impact whether or not the park gets the tax incentive.

keithy_19

12-04-2010, 08:30 PM

That Ricky Gervais bit is amazing.

StanUpshaw

12-04-2010, 09:22 PM

Without knowing the law specifically, I don't see how the religious viewpoint the park endorses should impact whether or not the park gets the tax incentive.

I agree :smoke:

Justice4all

12-05-2010, 07:20 AM

How does that make any sense?

It's Christian because it's being built by Christians.

Noah= Old Testament= Judaism
Jesus= NEW Testament= Christianity.

So wouldn't it stand to reason that if there is a Noah theme park that it shouldn't be run by Christians? Make it a Jesus theme park.

Have the kids turn water into grape juice.
Let them walk on water. Expel demons. that kind of thing.

StanUpshaw

12-05-2010, 08:07 AM

Noah= Old Testament= Judaism
Jesus= NEW Testament= Christianity.

So wouldn't it stand to reason that if there is a Noah theme park that it shouldn't be run by Christians? Make it a Jesus theme park.

Have the kids turn water into grape juice.
Let them walk on water. Expel demons. that kind of thing.

"Old Testament" = Judaism
Old Testament + New Testament = Christianity

In the simplest of terms, Christians are just Jews who believe Jesus is the messiah. The Old Testament is as much a part of the religion as the new. You're making absolutely zero sense.

Syd

12-05-2010, 01:52 PM

odd thing is I gotta agree with him there, but more on the fact that Old Testament God is kind of a psychopath. New Testament God and Jesus were pretty cool cats, especially by comparison.

spoon

12-05-2010, 01:54 PM

New coke sucks.

Contra

12-05-2010, 02:29 PM

And then god said, let there be overpriced food and 30 story machines that have people screaming for the lord

spoon

12-05-2010, 02:36 PM

And then God said the Chargers better get some TDs here and win this f'n game!

hanso

12-05-2010, 05:35 PM

odd thing is I gotta agree with him there, but more on the fact that Old Testament God is kind of a psychopath. New Testament God and Jesus were pretty cool cats, especially by comparison.
Better drugs?
New coke sucks.
Yes it has santa on the can
And then God said the Chargers better get some TDs here and win this f'n game!
Powder blue? More like baby blue. Did they even score?

Justice4all

12-05-2010, 07:17 PM

"Old Testament" = Judaism
Old Testament + New Testament = Christianity

In the simplest of terms, Christians are just Jews who believe Jesus is the messiah. The Old Testament is as much a part of the religion as the new. You're making absolutely zero sense.

You just helped make my argument.
If there is no rides or attractions that have anything to do with the New Testament then this might as well be an all Jewish theme park.

So JUST Old Testament= Judaism.

StanUpshaw

12-05-2010, 07:58 PM

You just helped make my argument.
If there is no rides or attractions that have anything to do with the New Testament then this might as well be an all Jewish theme park.

So JUST Old Testament= Judaism.

By your logic, it's not a Judaic park, or an Old Testament park, or even a Genesis park; it's solely a Noah park. If the only attraction is Noah, then how can you claim to broaden its scope? And if you broaden it to encompass Judaism, how can you claim it stops there? If you're going to use your faulty mongoloid logic, then at least be consistent.

Wow, this argument is retarded. Even by my standards.

Snacks

12-05-2010, 08:00 PM

Syd

12-05-2010, 08:45 PM

You just helped make my argument.
If there is no rides or attractions that have anything to do with the New Testament then this might as well be an all Jewish theme park.

So JUST Old Testament= Judaism.

Old Testament is a book shared and held in about equal esteem by the Abrahamic religions -- Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Sure Islam and Christianity make corrections to what believers feel as errors, miss-communications or omissions of the word of God through the Old Testament but it's still a holy book.

There's no real way of making it a Jewish park unless it's like "wear a yarmulke around theme park" since so much of Judaism itself, not just simply the Old Testament, is intertwined and held holy by Christianity and Islam.

Justice4all

12-05-2010, 09:59 PM

By your logic, it's not a Judaic park, or an Old Testament park, or even a Genesis park; it's solely a Noah park. If the only attraction is Noah, then how can you claim to broaden its scope? And if you broaden it to encompass Judaism, how can you claim it stops there? If you're going to use your faulty mongoloid logic, then at least be consistent.

Wow, this argument is retarded. Even by my standards.

Ok the fact you said mongoloid...:lol: That was funny!

I am not the one who was trying to say it should or should not be Jewish or Christian right off the bat. This is a religious theme park being built by the state. The whole thing is to show how much the state can even fuck up the Bible.

I was just trying to point out how can it be considered a Christian theme park when anything that would make it fully Christian isn't there.
Yes the Old Testament is part of our Bible but without the New Testament we wouldn't be followers of Christ.

And so far I have not heard of one thing outside of the Old Testament that's being built for this park.

Here:
What better way to boost the Kentucky economy than with a creationist theme park? In a press release this afternoon, Gov. Steve Beshear announced that the state had struck a deal with Ark Encounter LLC—the same people behind Kentucky's Creation Museum—to start building the $150 million park, which, naturally, will have a "full-scale Noah's Ark," live animal shows, and "a first-century Middle Eastern village." There will also be a "replica of the Tower of Babel with exhibits, a 500-seat 5-D special effects theater," and an aviary, for good measure. According to the release, the park is expected to generate 900 jobs and $250 million in revenue for Kentucky, and Gawker's Jim Newell catches that it will also get them $37.5 million in tax breaks. The park is expected to open in northern Kentucky in the spring of 2014.

Noah's Ark and Tower of Babel. Nothing else. I tried looking up Ark Encounters LLC to see if it was a Church owned company but could find nothing. Just they own a "Creation Museum". (Isn't that a plain, old museum?) so I would think they might be.

Besides, if they want to build anything Religious why bring the state into it? Why not use all the money from the Tax breaks they get?

If a Church run group wants to build a Religious theme park with no mention of what makes Christians..well... CHRISTIANS, it's a joke.

Follow?

And you shock me Stan....I didn't know you HAD standards!

Justice4all

12-05-2010, 10:31 PM

Old Testament is a book shared and held in about equal esteem by the Abrahamic religions -- Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Sure Islam and Christianity make corrections to what believers feel as errors, miss-communications or omissions of the word of God through the Old Testament but it's still a holy book.

There's no real way of making it a Jewish park unless it's like "wear a yarmulke around theme park" since so much of Judaism itself, not just simply the Old Testament, is intertwined and held holy by Christianity and Islam.

I know Syd. I was just trying to say without anything New Testament it can't be a true Christian theme park, could it?