Bachmann 4 President?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Id love to see this circus with a debate including Palin and her.


http://www.startribune.com/politics/112933079.html?elr=KArks:DCiUMEaPc:UiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU 7DYaGEP7vDEh7P:DiUs


Who would think that Romney and McCain would be the normal ones in this group

[Pitdoc]

I think that Palin is just in it for the money, but , as long as shes the "frontrunner" for 2012, she'll stay in . But if she drops out early enough ,Bachmann WILL jump in . I'd love to see either her OR Palin get the nomination. Obama could walk into those debates with his dick hanging out of his pants and still win.

[cougarjake13]

well if he couldnt manage the mets then ill definitely vote for him as prez

[KingModem]

"Oh...Jeez...God...No!"

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[foodcourtdruide]

I don't think it's fair to compare Bachmann to Palin. I dislike Palin and obviously think she's not qualified to be President. However, Michelle Bachmann is a hateful lunatic.

[StanUpshaw]

I forget...is she the witch?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I forget...is she the witch?

Thats Christine O'Donnell

[Dudeman]

Crazy, stupid birds of a feather flock together...

Ron Paul & Michelle Bachmann Student Town Hall Event (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/106518)

Ron Paul’s economic theories winning GOP converts — including Michele Bachmann (http://minnesotaindependent.com/34032/ron-paul-michele-bachmann)

ron-paul-tutoring-michele-bachmann-at-fancy-lunches (http://wonkette.com/408330/ron-paul-tutoring-michele-bachmann-at-fancy-lunches)

ron-paul-and-michele-bachmann-are-bffs (http://gawker.com/5241122/ron-paul-and-michele-bachmann-are-bffs)

http://images.publicradio.org/content/2009/09/26/20090926_paul_bachmann_4_33.jpg

[PapaBear]

Love Turner and Overdrive. Hate Bachmann.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Love Turner and Overdrive. Hate Bachmann.


I do like these Bachmans

http://img4.realsimple.com/images/food-recipes/shopping-storing/0709/pretzels-hard_300.jpg

[A.J.]

"Ahhhhhhhhh...Bachmann."

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k87/bjhawkeye/bjhawk/s320x320-3.png

[Barnaby Jones]

I do like these Bachmans

http://img4.realsimple.com/images/food-recipes/shopping-storing/0709/pretzels-hard_300.jpg

No response to Ron Paul buddying around with her?!? Figures!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No response to Ron Paul buddying around with her?!? Figures!!!

Well if she stops being a neo con thats a good thing.

[Barnaby Jones]

Yeah, it couldn't possibly be because he's a nut himself!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yeah, it couldn't possibly be because he's a nut himself!!!

Yea hes a real nutjob for opposing undeclared wars, our ever expanding empire, the military industrial complex, the patriot act and the federal reserve.

[Barnaby Jones]

Sure, Ron Paul looks great when you only selectively pick the things you like from his ocean of lunacy!!!

Would you really want Ron Paul to be President????

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cutting useless bureaucracies like the Dept of Education is lunacy?


President Ron Paul would be real change, but I have no faith in the electorate.

Look for either Huckabee or Romney at the top of the ticket

[Barnaby Jones]

He keeps doing it even when called out!!!

And yes, cutting the Dept. of Education is fucking insane. Your idea of smaller government is absurd!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He keeps doing it even when called out!!!

And yes, cutting the Dept. of Education is fucking insane. Your idea of smaller government is absurd!!!

I answered your question!!

No its not. Its a useless bureaucracy which serves no purpose just a bunch of paper pushers.


I do not want a Western European social democracy model. Your sick obsession of wanting the government to take care of you is insane

[Crispy123]

I answered your question!!

No its not. Its a useless bureaucracy which serves no purpose just a bunch of paper pushers.


I do not want a Western European social democracy model. Your sick obsession of wanting the government to take care of you is insane

Exactly!!! The founding fathers despised western Europe. Who needs education anyways and fuck these people who expect the Marines to defend us, they are insane!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Exactly!!! The founding fathers despised western Europe. Who needs education anyways and fuck these people who expect the Marines to defend us, they are insane!

Just say you want a national government instead of a federal government.

Education should be left to the states. The Marine Corps falls within the Dept of the Navy.

Thats one of the enumerated powers in the constitution.


"To provide and maintain a Navy"



This guy has a degree in Journalism and thinks the constitution is hard to understand?


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[Crispy123]

Education should be left to the states. The Marine Corps falls within the Dept of the Navy.

Thats one of the enumerated powers in the constitution.


"To provide and maintain a Navy"

whatever...maybe you want big brother to wipe your ass but im a libertarian.

[A.J.]

Eand fuck these people who expect the Marines to defend us, they are insane!

I want them on that wall. I need them on that wall.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

[SIZE="3"]whatever...maybe you want big brother to quit trying to interfere

Fixed

[Crispy123]

I want them on that wall. I need them on that wall.

whatever...you know who else has a Navy? France you socialist pansy!

[foodcourtdruide]

He keeps doing it even when called out!!!

And yes, cutting the Dept. of Education is fucking insane. Your idea of smaller government is absurd!!!

I don't understand it. I always hear people say, "it should be up to the states", but what does that mean? To live in a democracy, isn't free education essential?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't understand it. I always hear people say, "it should be up to the states", but what does that mean? To live in a democracy, isn't free education essential?

Yes, States shouldnt be forced to send money to DC. A taxpayer in NJ shouldnt be forced to subsidize a school district in LA

Hundreds of billions are spent on education. In newark they spend over 20K per student. The Chinese and Indians are running circles around us. Schools have been turned into glorified babysitting agencies

[Crispy123]

Yes, States shouldnt be forced to send money to DC. A taxpayer in NJ shouldnt be forced to subsidize a school district in LA

yeah because the Feds involved in the States education is harmful to America.


In 1954, the Supreme Court took a momentous step: In Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka the court set aside a Kansas statute permitting cities of more than 15,000 to maintain separate schools for blacks and whites and ruled instead that all segregation in public schools is “inherently unequal” and that all blacks barred from attending public schools with white pupils are denied equal protection of the law as guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment. The doctrine was extended to state-supported colleges and universities in 1956. Meanwhile, in 1955 the court implemented its 1954 opinion by declaring that the federal district courts would have jurisdiction over lawsuits to enforce the desegregation decision and asked that desegregation proceed “with all deliberate speed.”

Read more: integration: 1954 to 1963 — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0858851.html#ixzz1AH7UDsdC

Would you have school buses stay off all Interstates, federal highways and bridges too?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yeah because the Feds involved in the States education is harmful to America.



Would you have school buses stay off all Interstates, federal highways and bridges too?

Brown was a civil matter.

Cities and towns collect property taxes to fund schools.

Since you bring up roads. Heres another enumerated power


To establish post offices and post roads.



Theres nothing in the enumerated powers about education.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yes, States shouldnt be forced to send money to DC. A taxpayer in NJ shouldnt be forced to subsidize a school district in LA

Hundreds of billions are spent on education. In newark they spend over 20K per student. The Chinese and Indians are running circles around us. Schools have been turned into glorified babysitting agencies

Why shouldn't the tax payer in NJ be forced to subsidize the school district in LA? For example, if NY is generating money for the country as a whole, why shouldn't the country as a whole be forced to pump money back into NY? So should NY keep all its income?

Also, even if this was the case, don't you think there still needs to be a federal level dept of education to set policies? Having that done at a state level seems like an insane waste of money. You'd basically need a dept of education in each state.

[Dudeman]

The right wing nuts like Bachmann, Palin, Paul, and Brownback just want to have state control over education so they can try to do psycho stuff like this oldie but goodie...

A decision this week by the Kansas Board of Education to delete the teaching of evolution from the states science curriculum (http://articles.cnn.com/1999-08-12/us/9908_12_kansas.evolution.flap_1_kansas-decision-kansas-board-evolution?_s=PM:US)

[Crispy123]

Theres nothing in the enumerated powers about education.

hmmmm

the constitution
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

[foodcourtdruide]

The right wing nuts like Bachmann, Palin, Paul, and Brownback just want to have state control over education so they can try to do psycho stuff like this oldie but goodie...

A decision this week by the Kansas Board of Education to delete the teaching of evolution from the states science curriculum (http://articles.cnn.com/1999-08-12/us/9908_12_kansas.evolution.flap_1_kansas-decision-kansas-board-evolution?_s=PM:US)

This is how it seems to me. What would the benefit of having 50 states determining 50 different curriculums. WF tends to insinuate it would save money, but I just don't see how. The only reason I can see people wanting this is, as you mentioned, issues like people wanting intelligent design taught rather than evolution, etc.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

hmmmm

http://www.lawandliberty.org/genwel.htm


"Writing about the “general welfare” clause in 1791, Thomas Jefferson saw the danger of misinterpreting the Constitution. The danger in the hands of Senators and Congressmen was “that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and, as they would be the sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please.” Unlike public officials during Jefferson’s time, our modern-day legislators have a very loose interpretation of the Constitution. The result is that government has mushroomed into a monolithic bureaucracy."

[Crispy123]

http://www.lawandliberty.org/genwel.htm


"Writing about the “general welfare” clause in 1791, Thomas Jefferson saw the danger of misinterpreting the Constitution. The danger in the hands of Senators and Congressmen was “that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and, as they would be the sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please.” Unlike public officials during Jefferson’s time, our modern-day legislators have a very loose interpretation of the Constitution. The result is that government has mushroomed into a monolithic bureaucracy."

well you got me there. I think we can all agree, education is evil.

[Barnaby Jones]

This is how it seems to me. What would the benefit of having 50 states determining 50 different curriculums. WF tends to insinuate it would save money, but I just don't see how. The only reason I can see people wanting this is, as you mentioned, issues like people wanting intelligent design taught rather than evolution, etc.

Good Lord, it would be such a mess!!! If WF doesn't like American education now then I have no idea why he would prefer state funded education systems that vary wildly in money and quality and content from state to state!!!

[foodcourtdruide]

http://www.lawandliberty.org/genwel.htm


"Writing about the “general welfare” clause in 1791, Thomas Jefferson saw the danger of misinterpreting the Constitution. The danger in the hands of Senators and Congressmen was “that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and, as they would be the sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please.” Unlike public officials during Jefferson’s time, our modern-day legislators have a very loose interpretation of the Constitution. The result is that government has mushroomed into a monolithic bureaucracy."

lol, why would you post this link?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why shouldn't the tax payer in NJ be forced to subsidize the school district in LA? For example, if NY is generating money for the country as a whole, why shouldn't the country as a whole be forced to pump money back into NY? So should NY keep all its income?

Also, even if this was the case, don't you think there still needs to be a federal level dept of education to set policies? Having that done at a state level seems like an insane waste of money. You'd basically need a dept of education in each state.

States should rise and fall on their own accords. Unfortunately a bailout of CA will be on the horizon soon, Do you want to subsidize their outlandish fiscal policies? Most states already have a dept of education.

[foodcourtdruide]

Good Lord, it would be such a mess!!! If WF doesn't like American education now then I have no idea why he would prefer state funded education systems that vary wildly in money and quality and content from state to state!!!

I really don't understand it, I wish it could be explained without hyperbole. I agree that there are significant changes that should be made to our education system, specifically, we don't take advantage of new technology. I don't even know if there needs to be physical schools anymore. However, I don't get how making it state-run would solve ANYTHING and not just create more problems.

[foodcourtdruide]

States should rise and fall on their own accords. Unfortunately a bailout of CA will be on the horizon soon, Do you want to subsidize their outlandish fiscal policies? Most states already have a dept of education.

Your comments about CA make it seem like you'd like more federal control? States should NOT be able to rise and fall on their own accords, because when they fall it becomes a federal problem. They don't just exist within a vacuum. We can't just let CA look like a post-apocolyptic version of the future.

[Crispy123]

Most states already have a dept of education.

states also have senates and supreme courts too. whats your point?

[Dudeman]

States should rise and fall on their own accords. Unfortunately a bailout of CA will be on the horizon soon, Do you want to subsidize their outlandish fiscal policies? Most states already have a dept of education.

The "outlandish" fiscal policy of CA, as someone who knows and has lived the details, is PROP 13... the disastrous consequence of the Reagan revolution in CA. (Oh, and thanks to Darrell Iasa for getting a special election to bring in a republican governor to replace Davis... that was a great use of money and made a dramatic change in the state.)

Anyways, back to the point that you made by starting this anti-Bachmann thread:

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VKN_JDMuKwU/0.jpg

[Barnaby Jones]

States should rise and fall on their own accords.

Just when I think you can't say anything more bonkers you come along with this!!! Why do you even want a United States outside of national defense?????

[Dudeman]

Just when I think you can't say anything more bonkers you come along with this!!! Why do you even want a United States outside of national defense?????

Remember that his hero Rand Paul wants to leave things like desegregation and protection for Americans with disabilities to states. If Kentucky wants segregation or no provisions to ensure equal access for those with disabilities, thats their god given right.:

SIEGEL: But it's been one of the major developments in American history in the course of your life. I mean, do you think the '64 Civil Rights Act or the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act), for that matter, were just overreaches and that business shouldn't be bothered by people with the basis in law to sue them for redress?

PAUL: Right. I think a lot of things could be handled locally....
I think if you have a two-story office and you hire someone who's handicapped, it might be reasonable to let him have an office on the first floor rather than the government saying you have to have a $100,000 elevator.

MADDOW: How about desegregating lunch counters?

PAUL: Well, what it gets into then is if you decide that restaurants are publicly owned and not privately owned, then do you say that you should have the right to bring your gun into a restaurant even though the owner of the restaurant says, "Well, no, we don't want to have guns in here"; the bar says, "We don't want to have guns in here because people might drink and start fighting and shoot each other." Does the owner of the restaurant own his restaurant? Or does the government own his restaurant? These are important philosophical debates but not a very practical discussion.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Good Lord, it would be such a mess!!! If WF doesn't like American education now then I have no idea why he would prefer state funded education systems that vary wildly in money and quality and content from state to state!!!

There would be competition btwn the states. Since the dept of Education was implemented have test scores gone higher? Has education improved?


http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/federal-education-failure

[StanUpshaw]

It's a lot easier to escape a shitty state than it is to escape a shitty country.

[foodcourtdruide]

Remember that his hero Rand Paul wants to leave things like desegregation and protection for Americans with disabilities to states. If Kentucky wants segregation or no provisions to ensure equal access for those with disabilities, thats their god given right.:

PAUL: Right. I think a lot of things could be handled locally....
I think if you have a two-story office and you hire someone who's handicapped, it might be reasonable to let him have an office on the first floor rather than the government saying you have to have a $100,000 elevator.

This is always the problem I have with libertarians. The world just isn't this neatly put together. What ADA is supposed to prevent/help is far, far more complicated than this scenario.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

states also have senates and supreme courts too. whats your point?

Not all.

Nebraska only has 1 house of congress

[foodcourtdruide]

There would be competition btwn the states. Since the dept of Education was implemented have test scores gone higher? Has education improved?


http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/federal-education-failure

Why would there be competition between states? Why would a state like Kentucky, which would possibly have a highly Christian-centric curriculum, give a shit what the test scores were in New York, which would possibly have a curriculum closer to what we have today?

And again, what happens to the states that are run terribly? Ultimately, it will become a national issue anyway.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The "outlandish" fiscal policy of CA, as someone who knows and has lived the details, is PROP 13... the disastrous consequence of the Reagan revolution in CA. (Oh, and thanks to Darrell Iasa for getting a special election to bring in a republican governor to replace Davis... that was a great use of money and made a dramatic change in the state.)

Anyways, back to the point that you made by starting this anti-Bachmann thread:

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VKN_JDMuKwU/0.jpg

Like the massive welfare state of CA didnt help to bring it into fiscal ruin. 3 million illegal aliens on top of that helped it go tens of billions in the red.

[StanUpshaw]

Why would there be competition between states? Why would a state like Kentucky, which would possibly have a highly Christian-centric curriculum, give a shit what the test scores were in New York, which would possibly have a curriculum closer to what we have today?

And again, what happens to the states that are run terribly? Ultimately, it will become a national issue anyway.

Let the fucking IMF deal with them.

[Crispy123]

Not all.

Nebraska only has 1 house of congress

and Montana has an Office of Public Instruction and Ohio has a Public Board of Education. But again, whats your point?

[foodcourtdruide]

Like the massive welfare state of CA didnt help to bring it into fiscal ruin. 3 million illegal aliens on top of that helped it go tens of billions in the red.

Oh geez. Here we go.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know you progressives think the constitution is outdated written by a bunch of dead white guys 200+ years ago. However there are 18 powers in article 1 section 8. It bothers you that the states gave power to the federal government.

Want to change it? Go thru an ammendment process or have an article V convention. I already know you will say that they didnt envision cars and the internet 200 years ago but they knew 1 thing that would never change and thats man's quest for power and control. One of your heroes John Dingell said it himself


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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh geez. Here we go.

Like they havent brought it to fiscal ruin ?

[Crispy123]

I know you progressives think the constitution is outdated written by a bunch of dead white guys 200+ years ago. However there are 18 powers in article 1 section 8. It bothers you that the states gave power to the federal government.

Want to change it? Go thru an ammendment process or have an article V convention. I already know you will say that they didnt envision cars and the internet 200 years ago but they knew 1 thing that would never change and thats man's quest for power and control. One of your heroes John Dingell said it himself


What are you talking about?

YOU are the one bitching about the powers of the federal government.

I've already quoted the constitution to you, that would provide the federal government power to ensure that all citizens would be offered an equal opportunity to education.

YOU appear to be the one that doesn't appreciate the constitution, bitching about people relying on the Federal Government for welfare and protection.

[Barnaby Jones]

I know you progressives think the constitution is outdated written by a bunch of dead white guys 200+ years ago. However there are 18 powers in article 1 section 8. It bothers you that the states gave power to the federal government.

Want to change it? Go thru an ammendment process or have an article V convention. I already know you will say that they didnt envision cars and the internet 200 years ago but they knew 1 thing that would never change and thats man's quest for power and control. One of your heroes John Dingell said it himself


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WF never misses an opportunity to leap off the fucking deep end and hide when he can't answer what's actually brought up in response to his nutty ideas!!! Back to "progressives," a rant that has zero to do with the Department of Education and education in this country, and bizarrely declaring Dingle to be their "hero???" Holy cow!!!

[Barnaby Jones]

Not all.

Nebraska only has 1 house of congress

So you want to do away with the Supreme Court or the states with supreme courts to do away with theirs so they can be like Nebraska?!??? Your ideas ram into each other so crazily!!!

Do us a favor and break down what the ideal WF state would look like!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What are you talking about?

YOU are the one bitching about the powers of the federal government.

I've already quoted the constitution to you, that would provide the federal government power to ensure that all citizens would be offered an equal opportunity to education.

YOU appear to be the one that doesn't appreciate the constitution, bitching about people relying on the Federal Government for welfare and protection.

Because the 10th ammendment states that any power not designated to the federal government is left to the states and or the people.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So you want to do away with the Supreme Court or the states with supreme courts to do away with theirs so they can be like Nebraska?!??? Your ideas ram into each other so crazily!!!

Do us a favor and break down what the ideal WF state would look like!!!

Defend the department of education then. How has education improved over the past 30 years? Is it a myth that the Asians are kicking our ass in math and science?

[Barnaby Jones]

Defend the department of education then. How has education improved over the past 30 years? Is it a myth that the Asians are kicking our ass in math and science?

Way to frame the answer to get you want??? Wouldn't you also have to explain how with a Department of Education things wouldn't get worse??? Guess you don't want that since it would fuck up your ridiculous Ron Paul-ism!!!

And "Asians" are all kicking our ass in math and science?? Do you not even realize all of the different countries in Asia??? Guess it's just one big groupthinking conglomerate to you!!!

[Crispy123]

Because the 10th ammendment states that any power not designated to the federal government is left to the states and or the people.

:wallbash:OK Here it is AGAIN, the constitution of the US:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

The constitution gives Congress the power to ensure education for ALL of its citizens.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So you want to do away with the Supreme Court or the states with supreme courts to do away with theirs so they can be like Nebraska?!??? Your ideas ram into each other so crazily!!!

Do us a favor and break down what the ideal WF state would look like!!!

Who said anything about getting rid of the supreme court ?


http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/nh_license_plate2.jpg


However my state would have warmer weather

[Barnaby Jones]

It's funny how WF wavers wildly from between wanting a strict, literal interpretation of the Constitution to recognizing how it was intentionally designed to have a LOT of wiggle room and subjectivity only when it suits his anti-illegals frenzy!!!

[Dudeman]

Why, exactly, does GOP Senate candidate Rand Paul want to shut down the U.S. Department of Education? It's a tiny operation by federal standards, charged primarily with administering student loans and deciding what schools get how much money. But the thing is, it was created by Jimmy Carter, which makes it bad.

PAUL: I would rather the local schools decide things. I don’t like the idea of somebody in Washington deciding that Susie has two mommies is an appropriate family situation and should be taught to my kindergartner at school. That’s what happens when we let things get to a federal level. I think I would rather have local school boards, teachers, parents, people in Paduka deciding about your schools and not have it in Washington. (http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/10/15/rand_paul_education_department)

[Barnaby Jones]

Who said anything about getting rid of the supreme court ?

I'm trying to figure out what the fuck your point was!!! And where your insane line of what should be federal and what shouldn't be is drawn!!! Why do you flip out over there being state departments of education and a federal one but not a federal Supreme Court and state supreme courts??? Why is one OK and not the other? Why do you want about inter-state competition and letting them rise and fall but you want a federal legal structure??? Explain why the fuck you even want a United States outside of having a national military????

[WRESTLINGFAN]

:wallbash:OK Here it is AGAIN, the constitution of the US:



The constitution gives Congress the power to ensure education for ALL of its citizens.

No it doesnt.


Youre over generalizing the term General welfare for a whole basket of items. If you want to go that route then we should all get subsidized Flat panel TV's. Giant Amusement parks in every city and town and a pony for every child

[Barnaby Jones]

Why, exactly, does GOP Senate candidate Rand Paul want to shut down the U.S. Department of Education? It's a tiny operation by federal standards, charged primarily with administering student loans and deciding what schools get how much money. But the thing is, it was created by Jimmy Carter, which makes it bad.

PAUL: I would rather the local schools decide things. I don’t like the idea of somebody in Washington deciding that Susie has two mommies is an appropriate family situation and should be taught to my kindergartner at school. That’s what happens when we let things get to a federal level. I think I would rather have local school boards, teachers, parents, people in Paduka deciding about your schools and not have it in Washington. (http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/10/15/rand_paul_education_department)

WF wants education to be local so that students can be smarter...yet local educational standards are often so stupid and dictated by religious and moral dogma!!! You really think we're not going to be worse off when it comes to "math and science" if it's left up to the states, WF???

[Crispy123]

No it doesnt.


Youre over generalizing the term General welfare for a whole basket of items. If you want to go that route then we should all get subsidized Flat panel TV's. Giant Amusement parks in every city and town and a pony for every child

yes it does.

Your arguments are childish bullshit. Im out.

[Dudeman]

WF started this thread to point out that Michele Bachmann is a nut job (we agree on that.) What does she have to say about the department of education. (Like I said, birds of a feather...)


BACHMANN: The Department of Education.

BLITZER: You would cut that?

BACHMANN: You could start there. Start there.

[Barnaby Jones]

No it doesnt.


Youre over generalizing the term General welfare for a whole basket of items. If you want to go that route then we should all get subsidized Flat panel TV's. Giant Amusement parks in every city and town and a pony for every child

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SUBJECTIVE, WF!!!

Man, just like I pointed out above!!! He wants the Constitution to be strictly followed...except when he needs to bend and interpret it to his own needs!!! He's pointing out an intentionally vagu8e and broad part of the document and then crying that it can only be vague and broad in the ways he wants!!! The reality is, yes, technically it COULD be applied to everything he's talking about up there!!! He just doesn't get it!!! There was intentionally a ton of wiggle room left!!! The idea is that certain things would always be up for shifting and subjective interpretation!!! The writers were no dummies!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm trying to figure out what the fuck your point was!!! And where your insane line of what should be federal and what shouldn't be is drawn!!! Why do you flip out over there being state departments of education and a federal one but not a federal Supreme Court and state supreme courts??? Why is one OK and not the other? Why do you want about inter-state competition and letting them rise and fall but you want a federal legal structure??? Explain why the fuck you even want a United States outside of having a national military????

I want a federal government, not a national government. If you want a national government lobby for an article V convention.

What else more do you want? You have a progressive income tax, a federal reserve, the new deal, the great society. And you progressives call me greedy? :wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SUBJECTIVE, WF!!!

Man, just like I pointed out above!!! He wants the Constitution to be strictly followed...except when he needs to bend and interpret it to his own needs!!! He's pointing out an intentionally vagu8e and broad part of the document and then crying that it can only be vague and broad in the ways he wants!!! The reality is, yes, technically it COULD be applied to everything he's talking about up there!!! He just doesn't get it!!! There was intentionally a ton of wiggle room left!!! The idea is that certain things would always be up for shifting and subjective interpretation!!! The writers were no dummies!!!

Again refer to the 18 enumerated powers.

[Barnaby Jones]

You have a truly bizarre attitude towards the Constitution and this country!!! You realize the enumerated powers are very broad and subject to interpretation and were DESIGNED THAT WAY, right????

Again, how about you spell out for us how you think the ideal state would work??? You've got so many conflicting ideas that nobody can picture anything outside of a collapsing, jumbled, anarchic mess!!!

[Dudeman]

WF started this thread to point out that Michele Bachmann is a crazy nut job. Lets see what this dolt thinks about Ron Paul:

In her introduction of Representative Paul, Bachmann lauded the former GOP presidential candidate, who is now joined by Bachmann in his "Thursday Liberty Luncheon" in D.C. - a luncheon in which issues of monetary policy and getting more liberty "back into the hands of the people" are discussed.

Bachmann summarized Paul thusly: "I highly value our featured speaker tonight, Congressman Ron Paul...I've been just honored to know him...He truly is who he says he is. He's an awesome man."

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF started this thread to point out that Michele Bachmann is a crazy nut job. Lets see what this dolt thinks about Ron Paul:



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Ron Paul stood up to the neo cons in the Republican party. Opposes undeclared wars and favors sound fiscal and monetary policy. Opposes violations on civil liberties, he's not a religious extremist like a lot on the right are.

As much as I would like to see Ron Paul as president it will NEVER happen. Just like there wont be a President Kucinich

Yes Bachmann is a nutjob, but progressives have theirs like Cass Sunsteen, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, Alan Grayson for example

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You have a truly bizarre attitude towards the Constitution and this country!!! You realize the enumerated powers are very broad and subject to interpretation and were DESIGNED THAT WAY, right????

Again, how about you spell out for us how you think the ideal state would work??? You've got so many conflicting ideas that nobody can picture anything outside of a collapsing, jumbled, anarchic mess!!!

Whats vague about only Congress ratifying treaties, Coining money and powers like that? States can not do that.

I don't want Somalia but I dont want Spain either.

[Dudeman]

nothing to see here

[foodcourtdruide]

Ron Paul stood up to the neo cons in the Republican party. Opposes undeclared wars and favors sound fiscal and monetary policy. Opposes violations on civil liberties, he's not a religious extremist like a lot on the right are.


Yes Bachmann is a nutjob, but progressives have theirs like Cass Sunsteen, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, Alan Grayson for example

Alan Grayson? Really?

[foodcourtdruide]

why did you edit my quote to take out what Bachmann said about Ron Paul? Saving space? But you left a picture in?

When you quote someone else, what they've quoted is automatically omitted.

[Dudeman]

When you quote someone else, what they've quoted is automatically omitted.

thanks

[foodcourtdruide]

Ron Paul stood up to the neo cons in the Republican party. Opposes undeclared wars and favors sound fiscal and monetary policy. Opposes violations on civil liberties, he's not a religious extremist like a lot on the right are.

As much as I would like to see Ron Paul as president it will NEVER happen. Just like there wont be a President Kucinich

Yes Bachmann is a nutjob, but progressives have theirs like Cass Sunsteen, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, Alan Grayson for example

Also, those progressive "nutjobs" are no where NEAR as celebrated by progressives as the right celebrate Bachmann, O'Donnel, etc.

[Barnaby Jones]

Whats vague about only Congress ratifying treaties, Coining money and powers like that? States can not do that.

I don't want Somalia but I dont want Spain either.

You are so predictable!!! Zero in on the small things you agree with and ignore everything else that makes you look ridiculous!!!

[Pitdoc]

..was to administer Student Loans. Last year Obama's admin cut out the middleman , and students now get money directly from the government, saving about 20-30 billion. Georgia Fox , the new head of the Congressional Education Committee, says its her first job to get this repealed. So the banks , which administered the loans for NO REASON, would get their money back .

What's her reasoning? Can SOMEBODY tell me?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You are so predictable!!! Zero in on the small things you agree with and ignore everything else that makes you look ridiculous!!!

Its not about agreeing or disagreeing. Those are the things the federal government can do.!!!!

[Barnaby Jones]

Its not about agreeing or disagreeing. Those are the things the federal government can do.!!!!

The "things" that the federal and state governments can do that are expressly and specifically defined in the Constitution are relatively very few compared to how broad the rest of it is written!!! The writers designed it to be like that!!! Does that frighten you???

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The "things" that the federal and state governments can do that are expressly and specifically defined in the Constitution are relatively very few compared to how broad the rest of it is written!!! The writers designed it to be like that!!! Does that frighten you???

Does it scare you that the framers did not want an overbearing federal government?

In terms like issuing currency and establishing post offices. Its good that we dont have 50 different currencies/postage stamps




Are you afraid of the 10th ammendment

[Barnaby Jones]

Don't anyone tell him about the Federalists!!! He'll piss his pants!!!

[El Mudo]

Does it scare you that the framers did not want an overbearing federal government?

In terms like issuing currency and establishing post offices. Its good that we dont have 50 different currencies/postage stamps




Are you afraid of the 10th ammendment


I wasn't.

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