Schumers 3 branches of Gov't

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The House Senate , and WH?


According to the constitution I studied, there are the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches

Thanks NY Voters


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[A.J.]

I'm surprised he doesn't consider the media a branch of the government. God knows he lives to serve it.

[pennington]

Fortunately he said this on CNN so nobody heard him. It's also interesting to hear his new-found concern for the credit market.

[Melk]

If we were being honest with ourselves the three branches would be:

Government - Corporate - Noisy Pricks

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fortunately he said this on CNN so nobody heard him. It's also interesting to hear his new-found concern for the credit market.

Schumer hearts Wall St


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27643.html

[pennington]

Schumer hearts Wall St


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27643.html

Schumer is a political hack? Shocking news, sir. Shocking I say.

[foodcourtdruide]

I'm surprised he doesn't consider the media a branch of the government. God knows he lives to serve it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YHq-SevTcQ

[Dan 'Hampton]

Who gives a shit? Really.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who gives a shit? Really.

I do no matter if its a half governor talking about a sputnik moment or NY's senior senator not knowing basic civics

[Ogre]

Who gives a shit? Really.

God knows I am no Palin fan, but if she said this she would be eviscerated by the likes of Chris Mattews and and Ed Schulz.

BTW you should care, he was a Sharon Angle nomination away from being the new Senate majority leader.

[Dudeman]

God knows I am no Palin fan, but if she said this she would be eviscerated by the likes of Chris Mattews and and Ed Schulz.

BTW you should care, he was a Sharon Angle nomination away from being the new Senate majority leader.

The difference between what Schumer did and what Palin did (for the Sputnik comment) is that one clearly misspoke while the other clearly didn't understand. If people stood back, and stopped playing games, it would be easy to see these differences.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Does schumer even know the constitution ?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/01/chuck-schumer-14th-amendment_n_888692.html


WRONG!!!!!!!!




That power is lies only within the powers of Congress. Mr Schumer should read article 1 section 8

Its the 2nd enumerated power

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

[Crispy123]

WRONG!!!!!!!!



This is all I see in just about every post you make.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is all I see in just about every post you make.

Tell me where the president has the sole power to borrow money


Section 4 of the 14th ammendment states that public debt is legislated by congress

[Syd]

Tell me where the president has the sole power to borrow money


Section 4 of the 14th ammendment states that public debt is legislated by congress

The 14th amendment was about solidifying federal power for the explicit purpose of preventing a majority in congress from paying off debts -- for the very specific purpose of rebuilding the country.

Given the makeup of the SCOTUS, Obama can circumvent the debt limit pretty easily by saying "yo the constitution says I can" through the OLC and if, somehow, it went to court all the federalists on the court would say "yeah Obama is right" and that's that.

However, what's going to happen is what benefits capital the most right now: tax cuts for corporations, austerity measures and nominal capital gains tax increases or something like that which will only hurt the bottom 99%

[Crispy123]

Tell me where the president has the sole power to borrow money


Section 4 of the 14th ammendment states that public debt is legislated by congress

Last time I checked Schumer was a Senator.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Watch out. Senor Carlos Schumer's gonna raise hell


http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/332688/20120424/schumer-arizona-sb1070-supreme-court.htm

[IamFogHat]

Last time I checked Schumer was a Senator.

Amy's a senator?

[A.J.]

I didn't realize Schumer was a Senator from Arizona as well.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Schumer and Bob Casey weant to punish one of the cofounders of facebook because he packed up and moved to Singapore. Hes already paid millions in taxes but its never enough



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-17/schumer-proposes-tax-on-people-like-facebook-s-severin.html

[spoon]

while your headline is ridiculous, it's an interesting article and dilemma overall

the tax rate is going BACK to past percentages, not some crazy up tick from baseline so to me it's a fight on resetting the line and I don't buy that at all

however, if someone comes here to use the country to gain wealth and a better life only to leave when they do bc they don't like things or found a place they feel better (funny it only links to money for a billionaire), then I have no problem taking away some of his rights in this country bc he WON'T be a citizen, yet I can't see trying to stop him from his freedoms/choice in any way. There should be and continuations to advantages in the US markets for companies that work, operate and make money IN the US. FB profits tied to the US should be and are taxed, but what of the owner. I'm not strong on international/US corporate law, but I'd like to learn. I fail to see how we do not protect our market from parasites that just want the profit of said market, yet not want any part of the tax to perform in it.

[StanUpshaw]

So let's not learn from the blinding successes of Singapore and Hong Kong...no sir...what this situation calls for is populist rabble rousing!




'MURICA!

[spoon]

So let's not learn from the blinding successes of Singapore and Hong Kong...no sir...what this situation calls for is populist rabble rousing!




'MURICA!

oh, both Singapore and Hong Kong have no issues of their own right?

let's not act like the US is some awful model for success over time much less now with business

have things changed and always will, of course, but your statement is everything you claim to hate with the blind pro-US crowd

[WRESTLINGFAN]

When cap gains are raised, revenues are lowered. Also Severin has already paid millions. Going by Schumers logic should I be penalized for being born and raised in NY, Going to public schools there but 4 years ago I moved to CT because I want to pay lower property taxes?

[spoon]

When cap gains are raised, revenues are lowered. Also Severin has already paid millions. Going by Schumers logic should I be penalized for being born and raised in NY, Going to public schools there but 4 years ago I moved to CT because I want to pay lower property taxes?

completely different arguments AGAIN

capital gains ARE GAINS/INCOME that is never taxed and should not be some special investor rate on income sorry

it SHOULD go back, bc the rate currently is a fucking FARCE


property taxes in this area effect EVERYONE and are at crazy levels on TOP of everything else, not on GAINS

you have this knack for conversation swings ALL OVER the fucking place and I'm beginning to truly doubt your focus as your examples are so odd

the guy is RENOUNCING his US ties/citizenship after using his time here to go to college for free based on his prior citizenship, got a top shelf education and then ran for sanctuary due to rules being REINSTATED that never should have been moved. Revenue you say? I see it as a few more millions in one guys pocket, another overtaken by greed and quickly forgets the opportunities he was afforded here in many ways. I'm not saying I agree with Schumer's plan either, just I do see this guy as being an asshole and his timing makes his reasons quite clear. Good thing you got the little guys back WF!

if anything at all, he should lose his freedom to come and go as he wants in this country based on your own take on immigration....at least illegals WANT to be here and will literally climb walls to get here. and personally I think his future earnings in the US should be taxed higher than IF a citizen with a % of his biz here. If he's so sure of Singapore, make your money there alone and let's see how that works for you. I'm not getting too deep bc I'm not sure on it overall, but something does have to be done with our markets and in cases like this I'm sorry. I just think this plan isn't the answer, I'd like something a little less aggressive, but something.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

completely different arguments AGAIN

capital gains ARE GAINS/INCOME that is never taxed and should not be some special investor rate on income sorry

it SHOULD go back, bc the rate currently is a fucking FARCE


property taxes in this area effect EVERYONE and are at crazy levels on TOP of everything else, not on GAINS

you have this knack for conversation swings ALL OVER the fucking place and I'm beginning to truly doubt your focus as your examples are so odd

the guy is RENOUNCING his US ties/citizenship after using his time here to go to college for free based on his prior citizenship, got a top shelf education and then ran for sanctuary due to rules being REINSTATED that never should have been moved. Revenue you say? I see it as a few more millions in one guys pocket, another overtaken by greed and quickly forgets the opportunities he was afforded here in many ways. I'm not saying I agree with Schumer's plan either, just I do see this guy as being an asshole and his timing makes his reasons quite clear. Good thing you got the little guys back WF!

if anything at all, he should lose his freedom to come and go as he wants in this country based on your own take on immigration....at least illegals WANT to be here and will literally climb walls to get here. and personally I think his future earnings in the US should be taxed higher than IF a citizen with a % of his biz here. If he's so sure of Singapore, make your money there alone and let's see how that works for you. I'm not getting too deep bc I'm not sure on it overall, but something does have to be done with our markets and in cases like this I'm sorry. I just think this plan isn't the answer, I'd like something a little less aggressive, but something.

I renounced my NYS residence because of the insane property taxes, Should I be banned from going back to NY?

Capital gains are essentially double taxed. Heres an example. If you take some of your salary and decide to invest in a company, then it doubles, you not only paid taxes on the money you earned to invest you earned a nice profit from risk taking.

Severin decided to take a risk on an upstart company a few years back which had no guarantee would become a 100 billion dollar company and he has already paid millions in taxes. What in your opinion is a fair share? Is it whatever some politician says it is?

In regards to immigration, he came here legally and his family went thru the proper channels and he didnt become a drain on the public dole like the majority of illegals do.
What does an illegal know about taxes since many of them get paid cash under the table and dont pay income taxes. The ones that do get more back in a refund. See the article I linked in the immigration thread about illegals claiming dependants in their home countries and how billions are being given back to them thru the EITC loophole.

[spoon]

I renounced my NYS residence because of the insane property taxes, Should I be banned from going back to NY?

NOT the same thing...clearly and completely obvious.

Capital gains are essentially double taxed. Heres an example. If you take some of your salary and decide to invest in a company, then it doubles, you not only paid taxes on the money you earned to invest you earned a nice profit from risk taking. WHAT?! You pay a measly 15% on the GAINS, not the original money again and can claim losses on your fucking taxes. I thought you were in finance and read seeking alpha. You may want to start with the basics first and perhaps this is your problem, you have no base for all your stands.

Severin decided to take a risk on an upstart company a few years back which had no guarantee would become a 100 billion dollar company and he has already paid millions in taxes. What in your opinion is a fair share? Is it whatever some politician says it is? His fair share should have been about where it will be next year and never should have been changed under W. That's not some crazy change, but it's the fight they LOVE to have versus an actual change from THAT past baseline. You act like it's some unfair tax or even close to European levels, much less there aren't reasons outside of taxes for Singapore and Hong Kong NOW, compared to when he needed the US earlier.

In regards to immigration, he came here legally and his family went thru the proper channels and he didnt become a drain on the public dole like the majority of illegals do.
What does an illegal know about taxes since many of them get paid cash under the table and dont pay income taxes. The ones that do get more back in a refund. See the article I linked in the immigration thread about illegals claiming dependants in their home countries and how billions are being given back to them thru the EITC loophole. Not even worth it on this topic with you.

you've got red on ya

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you've got red on ya

Its the same principle. Heres another example. A ballplayer is born in the Dominican republic. Many teams want him but he decides to play for the Marlins because no state income tax. He was given the opportunity to play for MLB but he wants to pay as little taxes as necessary what some call greed I call people wanting to keep more of their earnings.

You can only claim up to a certain amount on capital losses and roll them over to the new tax year. I think the max is $3000. Im for repealing the 16th amendment and all these taxes overall.

So 39% is fair? So what if someone a few years down proclaims that 50% is? The definition of rich keeps being dumbed down which is now $250K, Its just politicians setting arbitrary numbers and rates. The new French president wants it up to 75%. Who says some US politician wont say that 75% is a fair share.

Saverin didnt defriend anyone, He just wants no part of vultures like Schumer. Saverin decided to go Galt.

[spoon]

so he's an ass, thanks for the clarification

galt :wallbash:

[StanUpshaw]

oh, both Singapore and Hong Kong have no issues of their own right?

let's not act like the US is some awful model for success over time much less now with business

have things changed and always will, of course, but your statement is everything you claim to hate with the blind pro-US crowd

What does this mean? What do I claim to hate and how was that similar?

[spoon]

What does this mean? What do I claim to hate and how was that similar?

you're doing the complete opposite of your "murica" stance, and in that it has it's similarities (yes I know...:wacko:) Yet I think you'll get that even if you don't agree.

[sailor]

Yes, Saverin is an asshole and I agree with not allowing him to come back here.

[StanUpshaw]

I still don't know what you're claiming my stance is. When I say "Murica," I'm just pointing out cheap appeals to nationalism. What did I say that was nationalistic?

[spoon]

I still don't know what you're claiming my stance is. When I say "Murica," I'm just pointing out cheap appeals to nationalism. What did I say that was nationalistic?

it was the exact same thing, the other direction

better?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lueqvo41dj1qiri85o1_400.gif

[StanUpshaw]

An appeal to Singapornism?

[StanUpshaw]

Wait a second...how is this possible

http://i.imgur.com/RYFMV.png

Only eight people in the history of the internet have typed "Singapornography"!? That's crazy.

[StanUpshaw]

Yes, Saverin is an asshole and I agree with not allowing him to come back here.

This asshole gave you facebook. What the fuck have you ever done?

He supplied a service that 800 million people enjoy, and somehow he OWES YOU something? You are a greedy cunt. There's no other way to put it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If Savarin stayed in the US and paid the 67 million, the feds would spend at least double that amount,

[StanUpshaw]

With that $67 mil, we would only be running a $1,326,933,000,000 deficit instead of a $1,327,000,000,000 deficit!

SAVERIN IS A MONSTER.

[spoon]

This asshole gave you facebook. What the fuck have you ever done?

He supplied a service that 800 million people enjoy, and somehow he OWES YOU something? You are a greedy cunt. There's no other way to put it.

You're not appealing to me at all being a HUGE hater of facebook and everything it represents. HATE IT! So yah, FUCK THIS GUY AGAIN!

[spoon]

SAVERIN IS A MONSTER.

well put

[StanUpshaw]

You're not appealing to me at all being a HUGE hater of facebook and everything it represents. HATE IT! So yah, FUCK THIS GUY AGAIN!

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What the fuck have you ever done?

Somehow he OWES YOU something? You are a greedy cunt. There's no other way to put it.

[spoon]

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What the fuck have you ever done?

Somehow he OWES YOU something? You are a greedy cunt. There's no other way to put it.

He's in the negative, I'm the status quo!

I win!

[spoon]

and truth be told, his gimmick does jack shit for mankind

I hope you're not seriously kissing this guy's ass bc he made a computer program to make himself rich. It's not like this guy discovered a new treatment for neurodegenerative diseases, expanded our knowledge of the human genome/genetics or anything of true substance. Perhaps you can claim some ties to revolutions and getting the word out, but for every good there is a bad as it's implementation in either direction was not of his actual concern, outside of profits alone.

[StanUpshaw]

Oh the irony of debating the merits of an internet message board on an internet message board.



Spoony, you're a peach

[spoon]

Oh the irony of debating the merits of an internet message board on an internet message board.

well to be fair, nobody is arguing this place means anything either

it's even more ridiculous as any fucktard can use this template and make a message board

[StanUpshaw]

well to be fair, nobody is arguing this place means anything either

it's even more ridiculous as any fucktard can use this template and make a message board

You could be doing anything else in the world, yet you choose to sit and argue with me. That leads me to believe you value this place pretty highly. Someone who creates value is doing good. Someone who creates value on such a massive scale is society's benefactor. They have paid their keep, and more. To let a fucking parasite like Schumer convince you otherwise...jesus fucking christ...we have no hope of escaping from this demagogcracy, do we?




I'm on a fucking roll:
http://i.imgur.com/Z9XWa.png

[spoon]

it's akin to a phone call, talking to my friend or anyone else...it's filling a hole while I watch a baseball game

and how do you know what I can and can't do at this time? You have no clue if I can truly be away from home right now for family, personal, work or any other reason

this guy and his part in fb's invention is hardly what you're making it out to be

and again, I'm not even on board with this exact plan, but surely something to look into deeper

[spoon]

not to mention a personal value or like is not the same thing as it's contribution to our existence

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wonder if Zuckerberg got a prenup. He got married today