Ron Paul. Conservatives choice

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I understand its only a straw poll but Palin is not the darling of conservatives. Neither is Newt. But reality sets in, I think Paul is a longshot to get the nomination in 2012


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/20/ron-paul-wins-presidential-straw-poll-cpac/#

[keithy_19]

He won last year as well. It doesn't matter. He doesn't meld well with the republican party.

[Snacks]

He won last year as well. It doesn't matter. He doesn't meld well with the republican party.

Yet his ideas are exactly what the Repubs used to be about 20-30 years ago.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ron Paul is the only true conservative in my opinion. When I think as someone as conservative , its not the religious right or the war mongering neocons. Its someone who is a fiscal conservative. Unfortunately this has been hijacked by the Pat Robertsons and Fred Barnes of the world

[StanUpshaw]

Does anyone else think of piss when they hear "Goldwater"?

[Bob Impact]

Results of this year's poll were announced just as the crowd prepared for the conference's keynote speaker, Fox News host Glenn Beck.

Oh god.

[hanso]

"He won with 31 percent of the nearly 2,400 votes at the conference, edging out Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, who won the straw poll last year and who captured 22 percent of the vote. When Mr. Paul’s name was announced in the packed ballroom of a Washington hotel, it elicited hoots and boos along with applause. Although Mr. Romney won fewer votes, he seemed to draw stronger applause."

God squad is thoroughly embedded. This will never change.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/conservative_political_action_conference/index.html?inline=nyt-org


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And the Don said the same about his chances WF.

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This guy didn't tote the party line and got the boot complete with shit kickin music.

[foodcourtdruide]

I understand its only a straw poll but Palin is not the darling of conservatives. Neither is Newt. But reality sets in, I think Paul is a longshot to get the nomination in 2012


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/20/ron-paul-wins-presidential-straw-poll-cpac/#

If by "longshot" you mean "zero chance" then I'd agree with you. Libertarians have as much in common with democrats as they do republicans. They are two completely different things.

[BustahMyTool]

Ron Paul is the only true conservative in my opinion. When I think as someone as conservative , its not the religious right or the war mongering neocons. Its someone who is a fiscal conservative. Unfortunately this has been hijacked by the Pat Robertsons and Fred Barnes of the world

I'm with you, Wresterfan.

[BustahMyTool]

Privatize the fucking MTA. Libertarians kick ass.

Ron fucking Paul is my man

[foodcourtdruide]

Privatize the fucking MTA. Libertarians kick ass.

Ron fucking Paul is my man

Japan has a completely privatized subway system. It is clean, comfortable and incredibly efficient. A ride on it also costs roughly 8x as much as the NY subway system.

EDIT: 8x may be an exaggeration. I'v been thinking about it and it's more like 5x. Basically, you are charged by distance. If you only go one station it's only about 2 bucks, but I remember having a trip cost as much as $16. Melk probably can speak to this a lot better than I can, it's been a few years since I've been to Tokyo.

[epo]

Ron Paul supporters are the best. No clue on how the world works and following the doctrine of a known racist.

[furie]

while i agree with his "audit the Fed" line, he's not electable.

[KnoxHarrington]

Ron Paul supporters are the best. No clue on how the world works and following the doctrine of a known racist.

The other thing about Paul is that he is a libertarian...when it comes to the Federal government. He doesn't think that they should have any say about what you do in your bedroom. Now, state and local governments, on the other hand...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ron Paul supporters are the best. No clue on how the world works and following the doctrine of a known racist.

Cute little progressives, how does the world work? :lol:

[foodcourtdruide]

Ron Paul supporters are the best. No clue on how the world works and following the doctrine of a known racist.

You mean you don't want to live in a country where the healthcare for the poor is based on the generousity of their wealthy overlords?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You mean you don't want to live in a country where the healthcare for the poor is based on the generousity of their wealthy overlords?

How about living in a country where there arent warrentless wiretaps and undeclared wars, policing the entire world etc.

[foodcourtdruide]

Cute little progressives, how does the world work? :lol:

Libertarian ideas are implausible. They are half a thought. For example, if there's no food or drug administration, how is the safety of our food regulated? Their answer is companies that produce unsafe food will go out of business. While that may be true, we may have to endure a food-borne virus that could kill thousands before we find out. Should each individual have a laboratory where they test food before they eat it? Hey, here's a simple idea: Why don't we pay taxes to a central authority that regulates food before we consume it to prevent disease?

[foodcourtdruide]

How about living in a country where there arent warrentless wiretaps and undeclared wars, policing the entire world etc.

Give me a break. Libertarians stand up against taxes a million times before they stand up against law enforcement. Remember how many libertarians were screaming in the streets after the first Rodney King verdict? Neither do I.

[foodcourtdruide]

Give me a break. Libertarians stand up against taxes a million times before they stand up against law enforcement. Remember how many libertarians were screaming in the streets after the first Rodney King verdict? Neither do I.

Or even more recently, how many libertarians stood up for Professor Gates?

[KnoxHarrington]

Or even more recently, how many libertarians stood up for Professor Gates?

Or that strong statement in support of Bradley Manning when idiots on the right were calling for him to be executed for treason...oh yeah.

[foodcourtdruide]

ALSO WF, if you call yourself a libertarian your views on illegal immigration make you the worlds biggest hypocrite.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Give me a break. Libertarians stand up against taxes a million times before they stand up against law enforcement. Remember how many libertarians were screaming in the streets after the first Rodney King verdict? Neither do I.

Thats such a vague statement. Who wants taxes eliminated? Theyre a necessary function. Its the way taxes are doled and spent that I have issue with like for example why should a taxpayer subsidize a teacher in a state 3000 miles away?


Why should taxes subsidize transfer payments for illegal aliens and their children? I break away from the libertarians on open borders, they want that, however Ron Paul is against any form of amnesty, doesnt want uncontrolled illegal immigration etc.


Think ALL libertarians want uncontrolled open borders?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/kinsella/kinsella18.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ALSO WF, if you call yourself a libertarian your views on illegal immigration make you the worlds biggest hypocrite.

You must have ESP. Check what I posted

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Or that strong statement in support of Bradley Manning when idiots on the right were calling for him to be executed for treason...oh yeah.

The idiots on the right are the status quo. Most libertarians want us out of AfPak

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Or even more recently, how many libertarians stood up for Professor Gates?

That was a local issue. Why did the President have to chime in on that?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ok progressives, will you no longer post here since one of the banners atop RF.NET is this?



http://shop.cafepress.com/conservative

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You mean you don't want to live in a country where the healthcare for the poor is based on the generousity of their wealthy overlords?

You make it sound like people are dying in the streets and corpses are piled up. Anyone can walk into an ER and get treatment even if they are here illegally

[epo]

You make it sound like people are dying in the streets and corpses are piled up. Anyone can walk into an ER and get treatment even if they are here illegally

Which is the entrance to the system for the poor and adds unnecessary cost to the system.

Hence the libertarian approach is childish and barbaric.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Which is the entrance to the system for the poor and adds unnecessary cost to the system.

Hence the libertarian approach is childish and barbaric.

Psst. Ever hear of Medicaid?

And the progressives choice is gullible and failed many times over.


Like adding 30 million people to a system wont raise the cost one dime
http://americanintelligence.us/index.php?/blog/1/entry-20205-medicare-actuary-says-obamacare-will-increase-costs/

[KnoxHarrington]

Psst. Ever hear of Medicaid?

And the progressives choice is gullible and failed many times over.


Like adding 30 million people to a system wont raise the cost one dime
http://americanintelligence.us/index.php?/blog/1/entry-20205-medicare-actuary-says-obamacare-will-increase-costs/

Wow, I've rarely seen a point go so far over the head of the person to whom it is attended.

Which would you rather pay: maybe $100 (and probably less than that) for a routine physical for someone every year or so, then perhaps a couple more hundred bucks over the course of that year for lab tests, prescription drugs, etc., or thousands of dollars when an uninsured person finally just keels over from the easily controllable and preventable condition that they had?

Get people into the medical system early, when what they've got can be dealt with easily -- and cheaply -- and you'll probably notice an overall decline in health care expenditures. Or just let them keep ignoring their medical problems until it's too late, until they must go in for extensive, expensive hospital care.

A decent health care system is not only the moral thing to do, it's the economically wise thing as well.

[furie]

Libertarians vs Progressives, i honestly didn't see this coming

[keithy_19]

Libertarians vs Progressives, i honestly didn't see this coming

:clap:

[HBox]

You make it sound like people are dying in the streets and corpses are piled up. Anyone can walk into an ER and get treatment even if they are here illegally

Only because of some oppressive federal law that makes medical professionals and hospitals toil for no guaranteed reimbursement.

[Dudeman]

Libertarian ideas are implausible. They are half a thought. For example, if there's no food or drug administration, how is the safety of our food regulated? Their answer is companies that produce unsafe food will go out of business. While that may be true, we may have to endure a food-borne virus that could kill thousands before we find out. Should each individual have a laboratory where they test food before they eat it? Hey, here's a simple idea: Why don't we pay taxes to a central authority that regulates food before we consume it to prevent disease?

I strongly agree.

[hanso]

Every now and then he might have something that seems worthwhile. But if you dig deeper you see that he is a loon. Like most on the right and especially the tea party.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Every now and then he might have something that seems worth while. But if you dig deeper you see that he is a loon. Like most on the right and especially the tea party.

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Not policing the world. Pointing out an out of control federal reserve. Calling out the Neo cons. Rejecting violence. Promoting liberty, Yup those are real crazy ideas

[hanso]

Just a speech

[Pitdoc]

Only because of some oppressive federal law that makes medical professionals and hospitals toil for no guaranteed reimbursement.

I see the "self payers" every day in my ED.What "self pay " means is, "Don't even think about getting one dime out of me, buddy, now give me my Vicodin prescription "

[spoon]

Not policing the world. Pointing out an out of control federal reserve. Calling out the Neo cons. Rejecting violence. Promoting liberty, Yup those are real crazy ideas

Until you spell out how he plans on carrying out his catch phrases. Yah, everyone else loves violence and are anti-liberty! Come on WF.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Until you spell out how he plans on carrying out his catch phrases. Yah, everyone else loves violence and are anti-liberty! Come on WF.

No need for catch phrases or talking points. Look at his voting record

[Dudeman]

Ron Paul. Michele Bachmann's choice.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kFGouFF5fSI/0.jpg

("Bachmann summarized Paul thusly: "I highly value our featured speaker tonight, Congressman Ron Paul...I've been just honored to know him...He truly is who he says he is. He's an awesome man.""

Some policies so divorced from reality, only a nut like Bachmann could believe them.)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The man makes more sense than the hacks in both parties. I'd love to see Ron Paul wipe the floor with Obama in a debate


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