Osama bin Laden...DEAD

[StanUpshaw]

There a fuckin echo in here?

[hanso]

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd477/Sectorabc/IMG_0024.jpg
CIA's newest prisoner transport vehicle..

TY for flying Alex Jones Airlines.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That's like saying Osama can't take credit for the destruction of the Twin Towers because he didn't fly the planes when all that stuff went down.

Ooh, even better. I'll have to use that.

[StanUpshaw]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know that we are supposed to be the better guys. Not sure how true it is but there are reports that OBL was cleaned and put in a burial shroud and given a Muslim burial ceremony with Q'uranic verses translated into Arabic.

If that was the case Why do all that for someone who did not respect the religion that he was so faithful to in his own demented way?

[keithy_19]

I know that we are supposed to be the better guys. Not sure how true it is but there are reports that OBL was cleaned and put in a burial shroud and given a Muslim burial ceremony with Q'uranic verses translated into Arabic.

If that was the case Why do all that for someone who did not respect the religion that he was so faithful to in his own demented way?

Probably because there are a lot of bat shit insane people in the Middle East. But you know that.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I know that we are supposed to be the better guys. Not sure how true it is but there are reports that OBL was cleaned and put in a burial shroud and given a Muslim burial ceremony with Q'uranic verses translated into Arabic.

If that was the case Why do all that for someone who did not respect the religion that he was so faithful to in his own demented way?

Because we don't want to piss off peaceful muslims.

[sailor]

...Q'uranic verses translated into Arabic.

what were the verses translated from?

[TooLowBrow]

what were the verses translated from?

english

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why are they so difficult to please? We use the best of intentions and they always complain.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_bin_laden_sea_burial

[underdog]

I know that we are supposed to be the better guys. Not sure how true it is but there are reports that OBL was cleaned and put in a burial shroud and given a Muslim burial ceremony with Q'uranic verses translated into Arabic.

If that was the case Why do all that for someone who did not respect the religion that he was so faithful to in his own demented way?

To not piss off everyone else, even though it did.

And I still think extremists are the only true religious people.

[StanUpshaw]

I'm gonna draw so many fucking cartoons...

[A.J.]

Marines also use helos and we do use the Navy as our floatng Taxis. I never was a fan of being on those Amphib assault ships (LHA's)

LCACs are cool though.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

To not piss off everyone else, even though it did.

And I still think extremists are the only true religious people.

No matter what we do , it still angers them. Islam really needs to modernize and reform big time. What does it say when people get offended by an image or how someone is buried. If a moderate Muslim becomes a jihadist because of a cartoon was he really moderate to begin with ? Normal people no matter what their religion is, dont burn down embassies or call for murdering people over something petty as a cartoon.


I get it. I know Christianity has had their issues with the inquisition, burning people for heresy etc but for the most part Christians have evolved. I know there are some pockets of extremists but overall I didnt recall Bill Donaghue calling the pope for a crusade after sex for sam.

[A.J.]

Here's a point:

People say "Obama can't take credit for getting Bin Laden because he didn't pull the trigger."

Basically, Obama put a hit out on Osama. Kinda like Gotti talking to Sammy the Bull. In a court of law for a non-justified murder, if Obama gave the command to kill, both HE and the person who pulled the trigger go to jail on first degree murder.

It wasn't personal. It was strictly business.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

LCACs are cool though.

Those were our rides to the ship. In Okinawa there was no place to dock the boat so it was anchored out about a mile out

[CountryBob]

Cookie

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Good move by both Obama and Dubya. Dubya had his time for 8 years . Agree or disagree with his policies but he's holding his word about not wanting to be in the spotlight too much


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_bush

[CaptainBlowhole]

If the gov doesn't release pics of the corpse, I imagine military guys might have had an opportunity to snap a pic or 2 with their cell phones, so I wonder when some of them make their way to the public eye?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No link but CNN said that he wont release the photos

[Dude!]

No link but CNN said that he wont release the photos

good...
there is no good reason to

[Furtherman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/binladen.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Man walks in a bar and he orders a Bin Laden. Bartender asks how to make it. The man says 2 shots with a splash of water

[Zorro]

good...
there is no good reason to

Other than the millions of people across the muslim world that do not believe Bin Laden is dead.
In three days Obama is turning the greatest story in a decade and cetainly the greatest success of his adminstration into a giant clusterfuck.
Jesus just get some testerone and say yup we killed him and a whoever got in our way. Don't care whether or not he was armed here's the photos and we move on.
Instead he and his people are trying to nuance this and are starting to look like the keystone cops.

[Misteriosa]

Man walks in a bar and he orders a Bin Laden. Bartender asks how to make it. The man says 2 shots with a splash of water

http://viragotechforum.com/images/smilies/rimshot.gif

[brettmojo]

Because we don't want to piss off peaceful muslims.
The peaceful muslims hate the guy more than we did.

[Dude!]

Other than the millions of people across the muslim world that do not believe Bin Laden is dead.

so what...if they want to think
he is alive, let 'em

nothing wrong with them waiting
for orders that will never come

if pictures are released
people who have an agenda
or refuse to believe he is dead
will say they are doctored anyway...
so what's the point?

[OGC]

I would love to see the pictures but I see no positives from showing it. Does anybody think that picture is going to convince anyone that Osama Bin Laden is dead ? The only thing that MAY convince his followers that he is dead is him not showing up on Al-Jezera every 6 months or so with new, relevant comments.

The only outcome from showing pictures would be inciting more violence. (as if that isn't coming anyway)

[brettmojo]

The only outcome from showing pictures would be inciting more violence. (as if that isn't coming anyway)
No it wouldn't.

[Dude!]

No it wouldn't.

why do we owe anybody
ANY more info on this?

we killed the fucker
and that's all we are saying

we don't owe anyone
any pictures or any explanations

we did it...so fuck you
we didn't involve the paki's...so fuck you
you want proof...fuck you

it's over, we did it, no more info
is forthcoming, and oh yeah...

fuck you

[Zorro]

so what...if they want to think
he is alive, let 'em

nothing wrong with them waiting
for orders that will never come

if pictures are released
people who have an agenda
or refuse to believe he is dead
will say they are doctored anyway...
so what's the point?

Obama's your guy. I get it.

[Dude!]

Obama's your guy. I get it.

no, i hate obama
but i like the military

[A.J.]

Other than the millions of people across the muslim world that do not believe Bin Laden is dead.
In three days Obama is turning the greatest story in a decade and cetainly the greatest success of his adminstration into a giant clusterfuck.
Jesus just get some testerone and say yup we killed him and a whoever got in our way. Don't care whether or not he was armed here's the photos and we move on.
Instead he and his people are trying to nuance this and are starting to look like the keystone cops.

I think the government is thinking back to when Saddam's sons Uday and Qusay were killed. The photos were released to prove to Iraqis that they were really dead and they no longer had to be afraid. For the most part, it ended up a nightmare because it pissed off a lot people throughout the Arab world.

[brettmojo]

why do we owe anybody
ANY more info on this?

we killed the fucker
and that's all we are saying

we don't owe anyone
any pictures or any explanations

we did it...so fuck you
we didn't involve the paki's...so fuck you
you want proof...fuck you

it's over, we did it, no more info
is forthcoming, and oh yeah...

fuck you
That reminds me... I ran over a bigfoot the other day. I scrapped him off my car and pushed his remains into a river. Damnedest thing ever.

I took pictures but... Don't ask to see them, I don't feel the need to show it to anyone. Don't think it's necessary.

[Dudeman]

As one newspaper columnist pointed out, Obama's chill appearance at the White House press correspondents dinner while the Bin Laden mission was about to get under way was like Michael Corleone's appearance at the baptism while his rivals were being killed. I guess Bin Laden was like Moe Green... shot in the face.

http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Look-at-Obamas-face-when-Seth-Meyers-made-the-joke-about-Bin-Laden-last-night.-Meme-creators-go-to-town.jpeg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ecg_J-KUe20/TKIk3sGtnRI/AAAAAAAAEeY/AH2vCrSEQKo/s1600/10.JPG


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mXz2rszFv0g/STVsUDT2xVI/AAAAAAAAATU/wKdOHjdENx0/s400/moegreen2.jpg

[Jujubees2]

That reminds me... I ran over a bigfoot the other day. I scrapped him off my car and pushed his remains into a river. Damnedest thing ever.

I took pictures but... Don't ask to see them, I don't feel the need to show it to anyone. Don't think it's necessary.

Too late. The photo is already out.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/Bigfoot_dead_Web3a.jpg

[brettmojo]

Too late. They photo is already out.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/Bigfoot_dead_Web3a.jpg
Nah I saw that on reddit too. It's a fake.

[OGC]

The only outcome from showing pictures would be inciting more violence. (as if that isn't coming anyway)

No it wouldn't.


What positive do you see from showing the pictures ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who said that they hated us for our ways of life


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-03/bin-laden-aides-bought-big-orders-of-pepsi-coke-grocer-says.html


I hope it comes out that he was like Kim Jong Il and had massive amts of porn stashed in his compound.

[Melrapuo]

That reminds me... I ran over a bigfoot the other day. I scrapped him off my car and pushed his remains into a river. Damnedest thing ever.

I took pictures but... Don't ask to see them, I don't feel the need to show it to anyone. Don't think it's necessary.

Wouldn't matter, because even if this obviously-sarcastic comment were actually true, and you had the most in-depth and conclusive photos ever taken, no one would still believe you. Because its fucking Big Foot.

If we showed pics of bin laden, there would still be people who doubted he was dead. If we don't show them, there would still be people who doubted he was dead. The photo isn't gonna do crap. Sure, I'd like to see them myself. But bin Laden is just as dead now as he was alive before. I've never met the guy, so I can't even disprove that the guy ever really, truly DID live, so who am I to say that he isn't dead now?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://backspin.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/filibuster.jpg


http://members.cox.net/rabick/img/posterRageBoy1.jpg

[brettmojo]

What positive do you see from showing the pictures ?
Well let's start with what you said... How it would incite more violence. How would it do that? Because it would piss off the terrorists? What? EVEN MORE? Are they gonna' try and attack TWICE as hard? Is the next underwear bomber gonna' be wearing a boxers bomb and a tightey whitey? A shoe bomb and a varsity jacket bomb? Any terrorist who was gonna' try to attack us out of retribution isn't gonna' go double hulka retard strong on us. They're gonna' try to attack us anyway whether the government releases pictures of the guy shot to shit or not. So fuck em'. They really didn't need a reason to begin with.

So then what? You're not gonna' anger regular Muslims with them. If anything they're gonna' be thrilled to see actual proof his dead. They hated the guy more than we did for making himself the face of the Muslim world in our eyes. We went from not caring about any of them to being involved in three wars in their backyard and going apeshit when a group of them wanted to build a church somewhat near ground zero. They're just as happy as anyone he's dead. They're the first ones to point out that he betrayed the very principles of the Muslim faith and was no real Muslim in their eyes. He killed more Muslims than any other group.

If anything they shouldn't have even thrown him in the ocean. They should have brought him back to the U.S. and packed him on the next space shuttle... Launched him up into orbit and had one of the astronauts haul him out on a spacewalk, give him the finger, strap his ass onto a fucking rocket and launch him into the sun. The muslims didn't give a shit if he was buried all muslim-like and the terrorists certainly wouldn't score us brownie points for doing it so the whole thing is a huge head scratcher to begin with. Just think of the huge psychological impact that would have on our enemies... You Ahmadinejad would keep of his shit after that? "Man... I really need to lay of the anti-US shit... Or they might launch my ass into the fucking sun too. shit..." What about the next fucking retard thinking about strapping a bomb to his dick and boarding an airplane? "OH FUCK THAT DUDE, WHAT IF IT MISFIRES AND JUST BURNS MY DICK LIKE THE LAST GUY? OBAMA WILL FUCKING TOSS ME INTO THE FUCKING SUN! FUCK THAT!" No one would ever fuck with us again! You don't fuck with a country who'll toss you into the fucking son man!

But no, let's just take their "Gulf Of Tonkin" word for it. I'm sure revealing such pictures would only show once and for all the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" Osama was hiding for Saddam. That night Osama heard two "Unidentified Flying Objects" which turned out to be choppers full of Navy Seals that took him out, took him to the "USS Eldridge" or whatever that carrier is called and dropped him into the ocean. It's not like the U.S. government, once headed by "JFK" has ever lied to us about anything anyway.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[Dude!]

it's really starting now...
the injuns are demanding
an apology for our giving
osama the code name Geronimo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_geronimo


seriously, we should have had
a total news blackout on this thing

[Jujubees2]

it's really starting now...
the injuns are demanding
an apology for our giving
osama the code name Geronimo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_geronimo


seriously, we should have had
a total news blackout on this thing

I thought they named it for Don Geronimo???

[WRESTLINGFAN]

it's really starting now...
the injuns are demanding
an apology for our giving
osama the code name Geronimo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_geronimo


seriously, we should have had
a total news blackout on this thing

I did like this comment though


Now the PC people are starting. What's next? Does the ACLU come out with the following:

"An un-armed man, husband and father, was brutally gunned down by agents of the United States Government in front of his wife without due process? The man's body was then taken by force and then 'disposed of' so that his loved ones would have no monument to his death."

[brettmojo]

it's really starting now...
the injuns are demanding
an apology for our giving
osama the code name Geronimo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_geronimo


seriously, we should have had
a total news blackout on this thing
Fuck you honkey. 7-11's built all over my ancestral homelands and now the operation to kill the greatest enemy of humanity since Adolph Hitler's codename is that of one of our greatest leaders? What if it had been Kennedy? Awh shit, operation KENNEDY fucking got Osama! You'd all be crying in your slurpees.

[Dude!]

What if it had been Kennedy? Awh shit, operation KENNEDY fucking got Osama! You'd all be crying in your slurpees.

i could give a flying fuck
if they gave him code name
Bush or Reagan or FDR or Jackie-O

but then, I'm not a crybaby
waaaaaa......


and if you are really an indian...
i've got some chips to cash in

[OGC]

Well let's start with what you said... How it would incite more violence. How would it do that? Because it would piss off the terrorists? What? EVEN MORE? Are they gonna' try and attack TWICE as hard? Is the next underwear bomber gonna' be wearing a boxers bomb and a tightey whitey? A shoe bomb and a varsity jacket bomb? Any terrorist who was gonna' try to attack us out of retribution isn't gonna' go double hulka retard strong on us. They're gonna' try to attack us anyway whether the government releases pictures of the guy shot to shit or not. So fuck em'. They really didn't need a reason to begin with.

So then what? You're not gonna' anger regular Muslims with them. If anything they're gonna' be thrilled to see actual proof his dead. They hated the guy more than we did for making himself the face of the Muslim world in our eyes. We went from not caring about any of them to being involved in three wars in their backyard and going apeshit when a group of them wanted to build a church somewhat near ground zero. They're just as happy as anyone he's dead. They're the first ones to point out that he betrayed the very principles of the Muslim faith and was no real Muslim in their eyes. He killed more Muslims than any other group.

If anything they shouldn't have even thrown him in the ocean. They should have brought him back to the U.S. and packed him on the next space shuttle... Launched him up into orbit and had one of the astronauts haul him out on a spacewalk, give him the finger, strap his ass onto a fucking rocket and launch him into the sun. The muslims didn't give a shit if he was buried all muslim-like and the terrorists certainly wouldn't score us brownie points for doing it so the whole thing is a huge head scratcher to begin with. Just think of the huge psychological impact that would have on our enemies... You Ahmadinejad would keep of his shit after that? "Man... I really need to lay of the anti-US shit... Or they might launch my ass into the fucking sun too. shit..." What about the next fucking retard thinking about strapping a bomb to his dick and boarding an airplane? "OH FUCK THAT DUDE, WHAT IF IT MISFIRES AND JUST BURNS MY DICK LIKE THE LAST GUY? OBAMA WILL FUCKING TOSS ME INTO THE FUCKING SUN! FUCK THAT!" No one would ever fuck with us again! You don't fuck with a country who'll toss you into the fucking son man!

But no, let's just take their "Gulf Of Tonkin" word for it. I'm sure revealing such pictures would only show once and for all the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" Osama was hiding for Saddam. That night Osama heard two "Unidentified Flying Objects" which turned out to be choppers full of Navy Seals that took him out, took him to the "USS Eldridge" or whatever that carrier is called and dropped him into the ocean. It's not like the U.S. government, once headed by "JFK" has ever lied to us about anything anyway.


I don't disagree with anything you say here. Fuck him, he's a dirt bag, he deserved much worse than what he got. Bring his body back to America, wrap him in bacon, put the body on the back of a flat bed and let everyone who wants to, piss all over it.

And yes, the true Muslims are even happier than we are that he is dead.

But the question still remains, What positive would come from showing the pictures of his body ? Yeah, the pictures probably couldn't piss of his followers any more than they already are, but it certainly won't make them more peaceful.

Anyone who doesn't believe the US government when they say that a DNA test confirmed it was Bin Laden, certainly won't be convinced by pictures.

[foodcourtdruide]

I really don't understand the purpose of showing the pictures. If it's to prove Osama is really dead, then why would anyone who believes the United States government is covering up a massive conspiracy be convinced by a simple picture that could have been photoshopped? I think there's a certain dignity in not broadcasting photos of someone who was murdered (no matter what a pos that person was).

And I think the U.S. must walk a fine line and make it clear to not only Muslims, but the entire world that our war is with muslim extremists and not muslims in general. Why is being sensitive to their traditions and beliefs a bad thing? I'm sorry, but I don't want our foreign policies to be dictated by morons who want to feel good about themselves.

[keithy_19]

I do want to see the photos. But I don't think that we really need to see them.

Though photos of the others there who were killed have been released. So, I don't know.

[brettmojo]

i could give a flying fuck
if they gave him code name
Bush or Reagan or FDR or Jackie-O

but then, I'm not a crybaby
waaaaaa......


and if you are really an indian...
i've got some chips to cash in
Sorry. Not a slurpee-slingin' dot head.

[brettmojo]

I'm sorry, but I don't want our foreign policies to be dictated by morons who want to feel good about themselves.
You must have really hated the former administration then.

[Zorro]

So that awesome picture of Obama and his team was a scam? Damn this administration sure has a way of fucking things up. Rule #1. The things that got you elected are not the things that keep you elected. I understand you were the king of imagery, but ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8493391/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Blackout-during-raid-on-bin-Laden-compound.html

now you just look kinda stupid.

[brettmojo]

So that awesome picture of Obama and his team was a scam? Damn this administration sure has a way of fucking things up. Rule #1. The things that got you elected are not the things that keep you elected. I understand you were the king of imagery, but ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8493391/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Blackout-during-raid-on-bin-Laden-compound.html

now you just look kinda stupid.
How was it a scam? Did you actually read it?

There were in the room when the operation was going down and they lost contact for a period of time during the raid.

They were probably using AT&T.

[Zorro]

How was it a scam? Did you actually read it?

There were in the room when the operation was going down and they lost contact for a period of time during the raid.

They were probably using AT&T.

They didn't lose contact for a period of time during the raid, they had no contact for the raid. The picture the white hose released made it appear that they were watching it live Hollywood style, but it was just a bunch of people sitting around a table waiting. Might as well have been Roosevelt and a battlefield report from WWII.


I stole the following quote:

Releasing photos of US military abuses on prisoners: Okay
Releasing photos of the FBI’s #1 most wanted terrorist: Too sensitive

[keithy_19]

They didn't lose contact for a period of time during the raid, they had no contact for the raid. The picture the white hose released made it appear that they were watching it live Hollywood style, but it was just a bunch of people sitting around a table waiting. Might as well have been Roosevelt and a battlefield report from WWII.


I stole the following quote:

They were possibly getting details regarding the operation.

[SKANE]

I don't disagree with anything you say here. Fuck him, he's a dirt bag, he deserved much worse than what he got. Bring his body back to America, wrap him in bacon, put the body on the back of a flat bed and let everyone who wants to, piss all over it.

And yes, the true Muslims are even happier than we are that he is dead.

But the question still remains, What positive would come from showing the pictures of his body ? Yeah, the pictures probably couldn't piss of his followers any more than they already are, but it certainly won't make them more peaceful.

Anyone who doesn't believe the US government when they say that a DNA test confirmed it was Bin Laden, certainly won't be convinced by pictures.


Cause he was the "mastermind" behind killing 3000 innocent people, some of whom I was friends with. Yeah, I want to see what some well motivated Seals did to this piece of shit.

[keithy_19]

Cause he was the "mastermind" behind killing 3000 innocent people, some of whom I was friends with. Yeah, I want to see what some well motivated Seals did to this piece of shit.

I agree with this. I usually don't like seeing dead people, but in this case I am all for seeing the photos.

[OGC]

Cause he was the "mastermind" behind killing 3000 innocent people, some of whom I was friends with. Yeah, I want to see what some well motivated Seals did to this piece of shit.


I totally understand the emotion of WANTING to see the pictures of his dead body, I WANT to see the pictures too, but that isn't really a positive.

Do you not believe that he is dead ? Will pictures prove it to you ?

[brettmojo]

They didn't lose contact for a period of time during the raid, they had no contact for the raid. The picture the white hose released made it appear that they were watching it live Hollywood style, but it was just a bunch of people sitting around a table waiting. Might as well have been Roosevelt and a battlefield report from WWII.

Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, revealed there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off.

A photograph released by the White House appeared to show the President (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/) and his aides in the situation room watching the action as it unfolded. In fact they had little knowledge of what was happening in the compound.

Mr Panetta said: "Once those teams went into the compound I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes where we really didn't know just exactly what was going on. And there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information.



This has been covered in the news. While they were INSIDE THE COMPOUND they didn't have contact. They were getting nervous because they went over the 30 mins they were hoping it would take for the operation and were approaching 40-45 minutes.

Fuck am I the illiterate one?

[OGC]

They didn't lose contact for a period of time during the raid, they had no contact for the raid. The picture the white hose released made it appear that they were watching it live Hollywood style, but it was just a bunch of people sitting around a table waiting. Might as well have been Roosevelt and a battlefield report from WWII.


I think I read that the raid took about 40 minutes. The article said that "there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off". That tells me that there must have been some live footage at some time.

[keithy_19]

I totally understand the emotion of WANTING to see the pictures of his dead body, I WANT to see the pictures too, but that isn't really a positive.

Do you not believe that he is dead ? Will pictures prove it to you ?

I think that seeing the the trade centers collapsing is enough motivation to want to see a Bin Laden with half his face blown off.

I don't know if that's a positive, but it will certainly make people feel even better about it. To see an evil face get what he deserves.

[hanso]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/273047/WHITE-HOUSE-OSAMA.jpg

That's one tough broad eating popcorn while the shit is going down.

[keithy_19]

BREAKING NEWS:

Usama Bin Laden death photos withheld due to the graphic nature of Bin Laden wearing a onesie.

[SKANE]

I don't doubt he's dead. I believe we landed on the moon and that there are no aliens being kept in Roswell.
It's purely selfish. I want to see him dead. Did we not show the devastation he caused? People panicking in the streets, flag draped bodies being removed on stretchers with fire fighters, construction workers openly crying. Think they didn't enjoy those photos? They won that round, we won this one.
And the argument that this will incite them more is foolish. Unfortunately, we forget quicker than they do.

[StanUpshaw]

I don't like when the government to hides things from me. I'm certainly not going to start requesting they do.

I won't compromise my beliefs to suit the whims of terrorists.

This is not a difficult issue.

[SKANE]

OK. Take the emotion out of it. Why did we show what happened 9 1/2 years ago? Couldn't there have been lunatics living here that would take revenge against all Muslims? Are our lunatics better behaved then their lunatics?
It happened. Show the pictures.

[CaptainBlowhole]

Cause he was the "mastermind" behind killing 3000 innocent people, some of whom I was friends with. Yeah, I want to see what some well motivated Seals did to this piece of shit.

Honestly, that is also my reasoning for wanting to see him like that. Ordinarily I would not want to see dead people because I feel it desensitizes you and makes you more accustomed to violent death. But in this case, I kind of owe it to myself to observe this man with a destroyed face because I kind of want to be desensitized to HIS death. He caused my world to get fucked up and killed a lot of people I knew and his actions forever changed how we are treated and forced us to sacrifice a lot of freedom and ended innocence for many. I know we will some day see the images, the freedom of information act will one day force them to show us. Id prefer to see the image now rather than later so I can enjoy the idea of his likely final thoughts and to imagine fish ripping apart his body bag and devouring his mortal remains.

[brettmojo]

I didn't even see it from that angle. We had to go through seeing the attacks take place... And again and again and again because the media just has to jam shit like that down our throats. We had to see/live through that but an administration that wasn't even in charge when the attacks took place gets to decide whether or not we get to SEE the evidence that the son of a bitch who orchestrated the entire thing finally gets the justice that he deserves? That's fucked up.
And how fucked up is that for the people who actually lost friends or family members in those attacks? Whether or not you're an individual who wants to see the pictures or who doesn't it's up to people to make that decision for themselves and not an overprotective big brother government.

When a government is so used to hiding things from it's people in private it even begins to feel it can do so right in front of them apparently.

[SKANE]

And what are they protecting us from? Death? Yeah, seen that. Crazies that may get pissed at us? They already are. I just don't understand the reasoning behind not showing the pictures.

[keithy_19]

And what are they protecting us from? Death? Yeah, seen that. Crazies that may get pissed at us? They already are. I just don't understand the reasoning behind not showing the pictures.

Because we're better than that or something..

[underdog]

And what are they protecting us from? Death? Yeah, seen that. Crazies that may get pissed at us? They already are. I just don't understand the reasoning behind not showing the pictures.

There's no reason to show them, except for emotional reasons.

Do they release photos of every criminal executed in this country, after they've been executed? If they do, then release the OBL photos.

[underdog]

Because we're better than that or something..

Aren't we?

[keithy_19]

Aren't we?

We most certainly all (reading my comment again it kind of looks like I'm taking a shot at America, which wasn't my purpose at all).

I don't think these photos, released or not, will change that.

[SKANE]

Putting aside the emotional reason, what's the difference between the what was released in 2001 and this photo. Both are awful pictures. Why is OK to put one set out and not the other?

[SKANE]

Aren't we?

Didn't we prove that by the way his bodied was handled? When I first heard that it was handled with respect to his religious tradition I wondered why. But you're right. we are better.

[underdog]

Putting aside the emotional reason, what's the difference between the what was released in 2001 and this photo. Both are awful pictures. Why is OK to put one set out and not the other?

The majority of the stuff from 2001 was taken by news organizations and rebroadcast over and over again to gain ratings.

If the government was releasing the photos, it would be to act as propaganda.

If the media had their hands on the OBL death photos, they'd be released in a second. You'd have FoxNews showing them over and over and over again with the tag line, "was obama right in releasing these photos?", while they just kept showing them. MSNBC would just show them over and over and over again, talking about how great Obama is, and how shocking the photo is, making sure to show it 100x an hour.

There's a huge difference between any photos from 2001 and OBL death photos.

[SonOfSmeagol]

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I guess D/CIA and future SecDef was overridden on the pics.

Interesting passage, this:

Brian Williams: I’d like to ask you about the sourcing on the intel that ultimately led to this successful attack. Can you confirm that it was as a result of waterboarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?

Leon Panetta: You know, Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information, and that was true here. We had a multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation. Clearly, some of it came from detainees and the interrogation of detainees, but we also had information from other sources as well. So it’s a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got.

Williams: Turned around the other way, are you denying that waterboarding was in part among the tactics used to extract the intelligence that led to this successful mission?

Panetta: No, I think some of the detainees clearly were — you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I’m also saying that the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.

Williams: So, final point, one final time: enhanced interrogation techniques, which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post-9/11 years, that includes waterboarding.

Panetta: That’s correct.

[underdog]

Didn't we prove that by the way his bodied was handled? When I first heard that it was handled with respect to his religious tradition I wondered why. But you're right. we are better.

Absolutely. And I think this is another instance. If this were "them", they'd be dragging Obama (or whoever)'s dead body through the streets.

"We don't need to spike the football" was a very good way for Obama to put it.

[SKANE]

The majority of the stuff from 2001 was taken by news organizations and rebroadcast over and over again to gain ratings.

If the government was releasing the photos, it would be to act as propaganda.

If the media had their hands on the OBL death photos, they'd be released in a second. You'd have FoxNews showing them over and over and over again with the tag line, "was obama right in releasing these photos?", while they just kept showing them. MSNBC would just show them over and over and over again, talking about how great Obama is, and how shocking the photo is, making sure to show it 100x an hour.

There's a huge difference between any photos from 2001 and OBL death photos.

So it's a matter of access? That's how this decision is made? If someone had a cell phone vid of the Seals in action and released it all bets are off then? Both are prominent historical events. I'm not a tin foil hat kind of person but what are the reasons behind not releasing the photo other than we're better than that?

[underdog]

So it's a matter of access? That's how this decision is made? If someone had a cell phone vid of the Seals in action and released it all bets are off then? Both are prominent historical events. I'm not a tin foil hat kind of person but what are the reasons behind not releasing the photo other than we're better than that?

Yes, it's a matter of access. If the government held all the 9/11 attack footage, there would have been debate over whether or not to release.

The reason behind not releasing the photo is that there is no reason to release the photo.

[SKANE]

But who decides what is a reason to show the photo? Before you think this is a political argument I should say that I don't have a dog in either fight. I'm just thinking without proving it, he becomes this mythical "person" who becomes larger than life and it all comes back again.

[Dudeman]

The reason behind not releasing the photo is that there is no reason to release the photo.

Actually it goes beyond that- there are reasons to not release the photo.

(1) Most importantly, people (the same ones who made the choice to do this raid in the first place) feel more harm than good could be done to American citizens by releasing the photo.

(2) Secondly, but probably less important, is the desire to not look as crass and blood thirsty as the enemy (ie. the "not spiking the ball" argument.)

(3) Third, some people still won't believe the photo.


If the goal is to prove that Bin Laden is dead, I would consider having prominent scientists in molecular biology be allowed to review the data regarding the genetic evidence. Of course that could be forged as well, but it might help. (I'd nominate the following to review the data: Eric Lander, George Church, Harold Varmus, David Baltimore, Robert Horvitz.)

[Dude!]

But who decides what is a reason to show the photo? Before you think this is a political argument I should say that I don't have a dog in either fight. I'm just thinking without proving it, he becomes this mythical "person" who becomes larger than life and it all comes back again.

so he will be an Elvis
who never actually died?

i can't wait for the first
bin laden sighting

[underdog]

But who decides what is a reason to show the photo? Before you think this is a political argument I should say that I don't have a dog in either fight. I'm just thinking without proving it, he becomes this mythical "person" who becomes larger than life and it all comes back again.

The president/government, unfortunately, usually gets to decide.

And anyone who doesn't believe he's dead wouldn't be convinced with a picture.

[Zorro]

I don't like when the government to hides things from me. I'm certainly not going to start requesting they do.

I won't compromise my beliefs to suit the whims of terrorists.

This is not a difficult issue.

What he said !

[sailor]

Yes, it's a matter of access. If the government held all the 9/11 attack footage, there would have been debate over whether or not to release.

The reason behind not releasing the photo is that there is no reason to release the photo.

how about releasing it because the people want it to be released? not everything has to have a "reason."

[underdog]

how about releasing it because the people want it to be released? not everything has to have a "reason."

Then turn the government into a true democracy and let's vote on it.

We elect officials to make decisions for us (well, you guys do). This was a decision that was made.

Also, I think the negatives outweigh the positive of "because we want to see it".

And would releasing the picture violate some sort of policy? (I'm actually asking, I have no idea)

[Judge Smails]

Well, I guess the cat's out of the bag on the Stealth Black Hawk program.

http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/World/660/495/Bin%20Laden%20Compound%20Reuters%202.jpg
http://cencio4.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/mh-x3.jpg
http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tail-rotor.jpg

[underdog]

I don't even get what a stealth chopper is. Seems like no matter how stealth it is, that thing is going to make a ton of noise.

[PapaBear]

I don't even get what a stealth chopper is. Seems like no matter how stealth it is, that thing is going to make a ton of noise.
But it won't be seen by radar. They say they flew the whole way below radar, but they could have lied about that, and flew in from up high, only going low when they got near the target.

[Judge Smails]

I don't even get what a stealth chopper is. Seems like no matter how stealth it is, that thing is going to make a ton of noise.

They're radar evading which I guess explains how they got 100 miles into Pakistan and back without arousing suspicion.

[StanUpshaw]

DEAR GOD WHY DID THEY RELEASE THOSE PiCTURES!!!????!?!!!

[Dudeman]

how about releasing it because the people want it to be released? not everything has to have a "reason."

I don't get this argument, for 2 reasons.

1) There is a lot of stuff I want to know, but I won't get to find out.

Who were the guys who did this? what do they look like? what was their training like? how did the operation go? did they all land right next to the compound or were some on different sides of the wall? how did they protect the children? what technology was used to see in the dark? what techniques did they use to avoid booby traps?

2) "not everything has to have a reason.".... But there ARE reasons to NOT release the photo. (see my post above)

[underdog]

But it won't be seen by radar. They say they flew the whole way below radar, but they could have lied about that, and flew in from up high, only going low when they got near the target.

They're radar evading which I guess explains how they got 100 miles into Pakistan and back without arousing suspicion.

yeah, i'm drunk and the thought of stealthly avoiding radar didn't cross my mind.

[keithy_19]

yeah, i'm drunk and the thought of stealthly avoiding radar didn't cross my mind.

It has a sound reducing component to it as well.

[PapaBear]

yeah, i'm drunk and the thought of stealthly avoiding radar didn't cross my mind.
That's alright. I remember when the first rumors of our first stealth plane came out. They called it an invisible plane, and said that it was being tested at night. I thought, why the fuck did they need to test it at night, if it's invisible?

[Pitdoc]

Well, I guess the cat's out of the bag on the Stealth Black Hawk program.

http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/World/660/495/Bin%20Laden%20Compound%20Reuters%202.jpg
http://cencio4.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/mh-x3.jpg
http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tail-rotor.jpg


The way Pakistan is allied with them, I'm sure our "FRIENDS" have already sent those pieces to China

[Recyclerz]

The way Pakistan is allied with them, I'm sure our "FRIENDS" have already sent those pieces to China

That's probably true.

Also, another factor that isn't being discussed in any of the MSM or the internet sites I read is the likelihood that Pakistan is very flinchy about our stealth abilities since, based on an article I read awhile ago, their military is afraid that we have plans to come in & snatch their nukes at the first sign that an Islamist group could come to power.

I hope they are right about that. Our gov't. wouldn't confirm or deny.

[A.J.]

I don't even get what a stealth chopper is. Seems like no matter how stealth it is, that thing is going to make a ton of noise.

http://tvseriesreview.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/airwolf.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://tvseriesreview.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/airwolf.jpg

best theme song... EVER.

[Dude!]

their military is afraid that we have plans to come in & snatch their nukes at the first sign that an Islamist group could come to power.

i sure hope that is true

maybe the osama mission
was also a dry run
for that much-bigger adventure

[A.J.]

That's probably true.

Also, another factor that isn't being discussed in any of the MSM or the internet sites I read is the likelihood that Pakistan is very flinchy about our stealth abilities since, based on an article I read awhile ago, their military is afraid that we have plans to come in & snatch their nukes at the first sign that an Islamist group could come to power.

I hope they are right about that. Our gov't. wouldn't confirm or deny.

They should be more afraid of India.

[Jujubees2]

But who decides what is a reason to show the photo? Before you think this is a political argument I should say that I don't have a dog in either fight. I'm just thinking without proving it, he becomes this mythical "person" who becomes larger than life and it all comes back again.

If OBL were still alive I think he would be sending video to Al Jazeera and broadcasting it all over the world in an attempt to embarrass the US.

[Furtherman]

http://tvseriesreview.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/airwolf.jpg

HA! I made that joke last night too when a Marine friend of mine told me about the chopper. Blades made of plastic, can't hear it until it's above you.


I also feel sorry for Charlie the mechanic who worked on that chopper before it took off. He's peelin' potatoes. Maybe not as much as he would have before though.

[Zorro]

If OBL were still alive I think he would be sending video to Al Jazeera and broadcasting it all over the world in an attempt to embarrass the US.

It's a good point, but I would counter that Bin-Laden never felt the need to produce a video on anyone's schedule. When you thought he would he didn't and when you least expected it one would pop up. So, I don't think its an issue.

My deal with this is I think Obama by not releasing the pics has taken a great success and muddied it. The story has changed from the death of Osama to how Obama handled it. The only way to win that argument I think is to throw it out there and get past it. This just makes the secondary and tertiary issues more important draining the real story.

Anyway it's an opinion thing. The only people that are definitive are the idiots on the extreme right or left.

[Recyclerz]

They should be more afraid of India.

That was the other theme of this article - that the Pakistani elites were obsessed with India and were ignoring the threats from the Taliban and the other Islamists.
I'll try to find + link the article.

[A.J.]

http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/World/660/495/Bin%20Laden%20Compound%20Reuters%202.jpg

That looks like a UAV.

[Judge Smails]

That looks like a UAV.

Its the rear rotor at a 90 degree angle. The Seals were probably able to blow up the body of the chopper but the tail section probably got blown out some distance by the blast where it survived relatively intact.
http://cencio4.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/mh-x3.jpg

[Dudeman]

Did people not believe that Luke really killed Darth Vader?


http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/9/99/FuneralPyre.jpg

[Earlshog]

(Reuters) - Photographs acquired by Reuters and taken about an hour after the U.S. assault on Osama bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad in Pakistan show three dead men lying in pools of blood, but no weapons.



http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/05/us-binladen-pakistan-photos-idUSTRE74403720110505

[Dude!]

(Reuters) - Photographs acquired by Reuters and taken about an hour after the U.S. assault on Osama bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad in Pakistan show three dead men lying in pools of blood, but no weapons.

so what?

the point was to KILL him
not to challenge him to a duel !

for chrissakes, they should have
just said "we killed him and no
further info will be forthcoming
and no questions will be answered"

[A.J.]

Did people not believe that Luke really killed Darth Vader?


http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/9/99/FuneralPyre.jpg

Emperor Palpatine inadvertently did with the Force Lighting he was using against Luke.

http://members.shaw.ca/david.p.z.888/star_wars/pics/palpatine_luke.jpg

[Dudeman]

My deal with this is I think Obama by not releasing the pics has taken a great success and muddied it. The story has changed from the death of Osama to how Obama handled it. The only way to win that argument I think is to throw it out there and get past it. This just makes the secondary and tertiary issues more important draining the real story.


Maybe he's muddied it in the mind of those who don't believe it or don't want to believe it ("how could a liberal wussie do this??") or who just want that cathartic feeling of looking at the photo. But the reality is that releasing the photo is what would change the story- changing it form the death of Osama to this gruesome killing by the US military that was then paraded around on every front page, every TV station, every internet site.

And more importantly, the same people who made the wise decision on if and how to carry out this operation have made the decision not to release the photo because they think it would put our citizens at more risk. They made the right decision about the operation, why are they now unable to make the correct decision about the photo?

Also, I agree that it wold be a much bigger issue if Obama and the US made this big deal about him being dead and then he was able to put out a new video. That would screw over the US and raise his standing as a leader much more. So faking this whole Osama is dead thing would be pretty risky and dumb. (I wonder if he has a video ready that has him saying, "Hey I'm not dead.")

[A.J.]

Its the rear rotor at a 90 degree angle. The Seals were probably able to blow up the body of the chopper but the tail section probably got blown out some distance by the blast where it survived relatively intact.

That'll be on its way to China soon.

[Dudeman]

Emperor Palpatine inadvertently did with the Force Lighting he was using against Luke.

http://members.shaw.ca/david.p.z.888/star_wars/pics/palpatine_luke.jpg

Seriously, Luke was going around saying he killed the Emperor and Vader. Some people believed him but were wondering if there was another sith lord; would the dark side fall apart or split into small factions? And others wanted proof... at least for Darth it would be easy to get samples for genetic testing from close relatives.

[Zorro]

That'll be on its way to China soon.

didn't it come form China in the first place

[Earlshog]

It's a good point, but I would counter that Bin-Laden never felt the need to produce a video on anyone's schedule. When you thought he would he didn't and when you least expected it one would pop up. So, I don't think its an issue.

My deal with this is I think Obama by not releasing the pics has taken a great success and muddied it. The story has changed from the death of Osama to how Obama handled it. The only way to win that argument I think is to throw it out there and get past it. This just makes the secondary and tertiary issues more important draining the real story.

Anyway it's an opinion thing. The only people that are definitive are the idiots on the extreme right or left.

How has he muddied it? The dude is dead. He doesn't want to release the photos he gave his reason (in my opinion a very rational and civilized one at that) and that it.

If people don't believe he's dead, that’s their prerogative? A photo will do nothing to appease the majority who posses this mentality.

[Earlshog]

so what?

the point was to KILL him
not to challenge him to a duel !

for chrissakes, they should have
just said "we killed him and no
further info will be forthcoming
and no questions will be answered"

Settle down Beavis, just copied and pasted the headline.

I posted the link in case anyone wanted to see the pictures of Bin Laden's buddies all Swiss cheesed up.

[Judge Smails]

That'll be on its way to China soon.

I remember the shit that Clinton took from the Republicans for the Stealth Fighter that was shot down over Kosovo. Now, as it happened, that did make it to China and eventually led to the Chinese developing stealth planes but what was Clinton supposed to do about it?

It will be interesting to see if the same right wingers, like Palinm who give all the credit to the military for everything that went right in this operation and none to Obama now wind up blaming him for losing this piece of technology.

[TripleSkeet]

I don't disagree with anything you say here. Fuck him, he's a dirt bag, he deserved much worse than what he got. Bring his body back to America, wrap him in bacon, put the body on the back of a flat bed and let everyone who wants to, piss all over it.

And yes, the true Muslims are even happier than we are that he is dead.

But the question still remains, What positive would come from showing the pictures of his body ? Yeah, the pictures probably couldn't piss of his followers any more than they already are, but it certainly won't make them more peaceful.Anyone who doesn't believe the US government when they say that a DNA test confirmed it was Bin Laden, certainly won't be convinced by pictures.

That line right there is my problem with them not releasing the pictures. They are doing so out of fear of retaliation and I have a problem with my government making any decisions out of fear. Isnt that exactly the point of terrorism? To make you do things a certain way out of fear of retaliation? I think the photos should be shown as a message to other terrorists and Al Quaida that are still out there. Youre not going to be arrested and live your days out in some comfy prison. If we come for you you are either gonna be locked in a cage forever, or we may just mow you down, whether you are armed or not. I feel its a message that needs to be sent.

They already had one senior Al Quaida member turn themself in...
http://www.vosizneias.com/82998/2011/05/04/riyadh-saudi-arabia-saudi-police-al-qaida-member-surrenders

[Dude!]

They already had one senior Al Quaida member turn themself in...
http://www.vosizneias.com/82998/2011/05/04/riyadh-saudi-arabia-saudi-police-al-qaida-member-surrenders

yeah, and even without a photo!

[A.J.]

They already had one senior Al Quaida member turn themself in...
http://www.vosizneias.com/82998/2011/05/04/riyadh-saudi-arabia-saudi-police-al-qaida-member-surrenders

yeah, and even without a photo!

He wasn't senior Al-Qa'ida: just a most wanted militant.

http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article382216.ece/REPRESENTATIONS/large_620x350/sau_key-alqaeda.jpg

[Earlshog]

That line right there is my problem with them not releasing the pictures. They are doing so out of fear of retaliation and I have a problem with my government making any decisions out of fear. Isnt that exactly the point of terrorism? To make you do things a certain way out of fear of retaliation? I think the photos should be shown as a message to other terrorists and Al Quaida that are still out there. Youre not going to be arrested and live your days out in some comfy prison. If we come for you you are either gonna be locked in a cage forever, or we may just mow you down, whether you are armed or not. I feel its a message that needs to be sent.

They already had one senior Al Quaida member turn themself in...
http://www.vosizneias.com/82998/2011/05/04/riyadh-saudi-arabia-saudi-police-al-qaida-member-surrenders

"We don't trot out this stuff as trophies," Obama told Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes. "We don't need to spike the football."

Obama also said he wanted to make sure that "very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence, or as a propaganda tool."

"That's not who we are," Obama said.

It has nothing to do fear of retaliation. It is in what in Obama's opinion is in the ideals of a responsible civilized nation.

[underdog]

"We don't trot out this stuff as trophies," Obama told Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes. "We don't need to spike the football."

Obama also said he wanted to make sure that "very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence, or as a propaganda tool."

"That's not who we are," Obama said.

It has nothing to do fear of retaliation. It is in what in Obama's opinion is in the ideals of a responsible civilized nation.

:clap:

[StanUpshaw]

"We don't trot out this stuff as trophies," Obama told Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes. "We don't need to spike the football."

Obama also said he wanted to make sure that "very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence, or as a propaganda tool."

"That's not who we are," Obama said.

It has nothing to do fear of retaliation. It is in what in Obama's opinion is in the ideals of a responsible civilized nation.

But that's a bullshit false dichotomy. It would only be "trotting out stuff as a trophy" if they went and trotted it out as a trophy. They could simply release the photos to the press and leave it in their hands. We're supposed to be a free and open nation and the government has an obligation to inform the citizens what is being done in their name.

[A.J.]

"We don't trot out this stuff as trophies," Obama told Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes. "We don't need to spike the football."

Obama also said he wanted to make sure that "very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence, or as a propaganda tool."

"That's not who we are," Obama said.

It has nothing to do fear of retaliation. It is in what in Obama's opinion is in the ideals of a responsible civilized nation.

:clap:
This I applaud for these reasons and, as I said before, from the lessons learned after Saddam's sons were killed.

However, I don't applaud honoring 9/11 victims on 5/5.

[Dudeman]

However, I don't applaud honoring 9/11 victims on 5/5.

Don't think of it as honoring them on "5/5"... he's honoring them the week that the man who plotted their murders was finally, after 10 years, "brought to justice."

Especially if their family member's/friend's/co-worker's remains were not recovered, killing Bin Laden may have been the closest thing some people could get to having some closure.

(I'm surprised, even in this political environment, at the amount of nit-picking people have done for every move Obama has made this week.)

[A.J.]

Don't think of it as honoring them on "5/5"... he's honoring them the week that the man who plotted their murders was finally, after 10 years, "brought to justice."

Especially if their family member's/friend's/co-worker's remains were not recovered, killing Bin Laden may have been the closest thing some people could get to having some closure.

(I'm surprised, even in this political environment, at the amount of nit-picking people have done for every move Obama has made this week.)

So this isn't "spiking the football" but releasing photos is. Gotcha.

[disneyspy]

on 5 15 i send my sister a card for sisters day cuz 5 1 5 kinda looks like S I S

[Dudeman]

So this isn't "spiking the football" but releasing photos is. Gotcha.

No!!! And it is a hell of a lot more justified and dignified than this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20080430/bush-mission-accomplished/images/e9ca6825-c351-4a40-b4df-cd86d8575a66.jpg

http://www.newsgroper.com/files/post_images/Bush-FlightSuit-Doll02.jpg

Somber wreath laying vs. fake airplane suit/giant banner on warship vs. gruesome photo of man shot in the head

[A.J.]

Apples and oranges.

Anyway, I just think Obama should have waited until September to do this. It was going to be very significant this year anyway as it's the 10th anniversary. The fact that he could note on that day bin Ladin was "brought to justice" would have made it more so.

[Dude!]

The fact that he could note on that day bin Ladin was "brought to justice" would have made it more so.

he wasn't brought to justice;
justice came to him

[sailor]

Wouldn't they have taken any weapons that were there?

[disneyspy]

Wouldn't they have taken any weapons that were there?

i'm sure they had enuf firepower,it's not like they snuck in like ninjas with nothing but swords

[Earlshog]

Wouldn't they have taken any weapons that were there?

Osamas AK would have captured a pretty penny on E Bay

[Earlshog]

i'm sure they had enuf firepower,it's not like they snuck in like ninjas with nothing but swords

or did they??????

[TripleSkeet]

"We don't trot out this stuff as trophies," Obama told Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes. "We don't need to spike the football."

Obama also said he wanted to make sure that "very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence, or as a propaganda tool."

"That's not who we are," Obama said.

It has nothing to do fear of retaliation. It is in what in Obama's opinion is in the ideals of a responsible civilized nation.

I dont buy that for a fucking second. If that were the case....

A. They wouldnt have taken days to debate whether or not to release the pictures and..

B. They wouldnt have allowed any of the other photos of OBL's boys laying in pools of their own blood to be released.

Witholding the pictures isnt honorable, its a cowardly move. Designed to protect the White House in case somebody blows up a subway station next week and claims its because the pictures were released. This way, they cant be blamed even though in reality its not their fault anyway.

Also, that link I posted, the guy that turned himself in is Saudi Arabias 13th most wanted terrorist. News links said he was senior Al Quaida, either way, he wasnt just some nobody.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Screw the photos, should've mounted him like this and put him in the Smithsonian.
With the smile on his face.
Let the extremists rally around that.


http://pleatedjeans.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/mounted-deer-head-on-wall.jpg

[Crispy123]

Screw the photos, should've mounted him like this. With the smile on his face.

http://pleatedjeans.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/mounted-deer-head-on-wall.jpg


Whew, I am really glad you posted THAT picture!

[SonOfSmeagol]

surprisingly, couldn't find a closer one on the interwebs

[Crispy123]

Screw the photos, should've mounted him like this. With the smile on his face

surprisingly, couldn't find a closer one on the interwebs


Thought you might be going for something like this...

http://imgur.com/cgoO0.gif

[SonOfSmeagol]

:laugh:

well done

[OGC]

http://pleatedjeans.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/mounted-deer-head-on-wall.jpg


Whew, I am really glad you posted THAT picture!


I would have posted this one

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h143/richg0404/stooges.jpg

[hanso]

I totally understand the emotion of WANTING to see the pictures of his dead body, I WANT to see the pictures too, but that isn't really a positive.

Do you not believe that he is dead ? Will pictures prove it to you ?

I do. But it seems like there may be many in the middle east who do not.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I would have posted this one

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h143/richg0404/stooges.jpg

Hitler, Curly, and Larry?
:ohmy:

[Dudeman]

A. They wouldnt have taken days to debate whether or not to release the pictures and..

B. They wouldnt have allowed any of the other photos of OBL's boys laying in pools of their own blood to be released.


A. They partially waited to see what the world's reaction to the news was- were may people, especially Al Queda going to deny the claim that he was killed? The lack of denials has been impressive, and lessened the need for the release of the photos.

B. The administration didn't release those photos. They were taken by someone else in Pakistan who went into the house after the raid was over.

[hanso]

http://i.imgur.com/ABISt.jpg

[KnoxHarrington]

I love the right wingers, who always say America should kick ass and take names, pissing on this because a Democratic President did it.

[Jujubees2]

It's official.

Al-Qaida confirms bin Laden's death (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42928874/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/)

[A.J.]

It's official.

Al-Qaida confirms bin Laden's death (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42928874/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/)

http://www.pogowasright.org/blogs/dissent/images/cronkite_jfk.jpg

[StanUpshaw]

I love the right wingers

KnoxHushington

[Dude!]

I love the right wingers, who always say America should kick ass and take names, pissing on this because a Democratic President did it.

what a crock of shit

i am proudly the # 1
obama hater on this site
(well, possibly 2, 3 or 4)
and 100% supportive of
what obama did here

all the criticism of the mission
i have seen has come from
michael moore, the german left,
the archbishop of canterbury,
the US and foreign press and
the moslems of the world and
NOT the "right" or republicans

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I love the right wingers, who always say America should kick ass and take names, pissing on this because a Democratic President did it.

Im not going to criticize anything about this mission to Kill OBL. I am not a partisan hack just because it was Obamas watch Whats done is done and a great decision by him and a grat accomplishment by S.T 6. However if it was a Republican that did it, a lot of lefties would have complained that the seals killed an unarmed man, & there would be calls for investigations and inquiries why we went into Pakistani airspace.

[CountryBob]

Such a shame - OBL was responsible for killing thousands of Americans and that gave the US the right to fuck that cock sucker up - whenever we found him and whatever way we choose to do it. We police the fucking world and stand up for countries that want democracy - I say now is the time to stand firm on the killing of that monster and dont answer any questions about capture or violations of borders etc.

Talk to the hand UN - you would be shit without us anyway....

[WRESTLINGFAN]

While the killing of OBL is a victory, it is not a total victory. Im glad hes sleepin with the fishes and if theres a hell. I hope he's burning.


Bin Laden was responsible for the death of thousands but he did something that Hitler, Stalin or Mao never did. He was responsible for changing the way of how we live our lives from 9/11 going forward. Not even those totalitarian dictators were able to claim that.

You can make an arguement that there were air raid drills during the cold war, but it wasn't the level of security like there is today

As long as we have this constant veil of overbearing security, intervening in foreign lands and nation building while paying a huge cost both in lives and money in a way, Al Qaeda still has an upper hand.

[Earlshog]

I dont buy that for a fucking second. If that were the case....

A. They wouldnt have taken days to debate whether or not to release the pictures and..

B. They wouldnt have allowed any of the other photos of OBL's boys laying in pools of their own blood to be released.

Witholding the pictures isnt honorable, its a cowardly move. Designed to protect the White House in case somebody blows up a subway station next week and claims its because the pictures were released. This way, they cant be blamed even though in reality its not their fault anyway.

Also, that link I posted, the guy that turned himself in is Saudi Arabias 13th most wanted terrorist. News links said he was senior Al Quaida, either way, he wasnt just some nobody.


Unlike his predecessor Obama likes to mull things over.

The U.S. had nothing to do with those photos, they were taken by a Pakistani who was at the scene and sold to Reuters.

On this "cowardly v honorable" issue we have a difference of opinion. As the "leader" of the free world the U.S. is held to a higher standard than others and its nice to see a guy at the helm who respects and understands that.

And how about those Phils!!!! :clap:

[StanUpshaw]

Unlike his predecessor Obama likes to mull things over.


Au contraire. Bush was a mulling machine.

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[Furtherman]

On this "cowardly v honorable" issue we have a difference of opinion. As the "leader" of the free world the U.S. is held to a higher standard than others and its nice to see a guy at the helm who respects and understands that.

And how about those Phils!!!! :clap:

Well said, on both counts.

[Jujubees2]

Jesus, there are some dumb people in this country.

Ohio hotel: Half-staff U.S. flag not mourning bin Laden (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42930061/ns/us_news-life/)

[A.J.]

Jesus, there are some dumb people in this country.

Ohio hotel: Half-staff U.S. flag not mourning bin Laden (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42930061/ns/us_news-life/)

Ain't that America....

[A.J.]

Obama on bin Ladin's sea burial:

Frankly, we took more care on this than, obviously, bin Laden took when he killed 3,000 people. He didn't have much regard for how they were treated and desecrated. But that, again, is something that makes us different. And I think we handled it appropriately.

Damn straight.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ain't that America....

<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qOfkpu6749w" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Earlshog]

Obama on bin Ladin's sea burial:

Frankly, we took more care on this than, obviously, bin Laden took when he killed 3,000 people. He didn't have much regard for how they were treated and desecrated. But that, again, is something that makes us different. And I think we handled it appropriately.



Damn straight.

Pussy!!! Drag him from the pentagon to Church street then grind him up a stick him in the cement foundation of the new world trade center!!!! USA USA USA!!!!

[Furtherman]

U.S. releases photographic evidence that Bin Laden is dead:


http://i.imgur.com/2mmS4.jpg

[Zorro]

U.S. releases photographic evidence that Bin Laden is dead:


http://i.imgur.com/2mmS4.jpg

Just wait till he washes up on the Jersey Shore along with all the other garbage

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://cagle.com/news/OsamaSea/main.asp

[disneyspy]

more US NAVY Pix coming in

http://itsallabouthallie.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/mouse-1.jpg

[Zorro]

I love the right wingers, who always say America should kick ass and take names, pissing on this because a Democratic President did it.

Too tough being a lefty. You have to see a monster behind everything.

[Earlshog]

Just wait till he washes up on the Jersey Shore along with all the other garbage

Then Pauly D and Ronnie can dish out so street justice.. Jersey style!

[SonOfSmeagol]

more US NAVY Pix coming in

http://itsallabouthallie.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/mouse-1.jpg

looks like that mouse passed through nearly unscathed - nicely done!

[SonOfSmeagol]

I love the right wingers, who always say America should kick ass and take names, pissing on this because a Democratic President did it.

troublemaker

Can't you just be happy, like the rest of us, that the fucker is dead? Aren't you satisfied enough that the bho administration used intel from "enhanced interrogation techniques" to contribute to the kill of obl? That without that intel he may not have been in a position to make that truly tough decision to take him out?

look at you trying to stir things up

[Crispy123]

Aren't you satisfied enough that the bho administration used intel from "enhanced interrogation techniques" to contribute to the kill of obl?

Not true. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/06/torture-may-have-slowed-h_n_858642.html)

[SonOfSmeagol]

Aren't you satisfied enough that the bho administration used intel from "enhanced interrogation techniques" to contribute to the kill of obl?

Not true. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/06/torture-may-have-slowed-h_n_858642.html)

Sorry, but that huffpost is clearly a spin job and does not dispute the words spoken by D/CIA. The NYT piece on the same subject is the same. The D/CIA words speak for themselves in terms of this intel contributing to the kill:

Brian Williams: I’d like to ask you about the sourcing on the intel that ultimately led to this successful attack. Can you confirm that it was as a result of waterboarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?

Leon Panetta: You know, Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information, and that was true here. We had a multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation. Clearly, some of it came from detainees and the interrogation of detainees, but we also had information from other sources as well. … So it’s a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got.

Williams: Turned around the other way, are you denying that waterboarding was in part among the tactics used to extract the intelligence that led to this successful mission?

Panetta: No, I think some of the detainees clearly were — you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I’m also saying that the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.

Williams: So, final point, one final time: enhanced interrogation techniques, which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post-9/11 years, that includes waterboarding.

Panetta: That’s correct.


I'm not advocating either way, but the facts are the facts according to the bho administration.

[hanso]

Im not going to criticize anything about this mission to Kill OBL. I am not a partisan hack just because it was Obamas watch Whats done is done and a great decision by him and a grat accomplishment by S.T 6. However if it was a Republican that did it, a lot of lefties would have complained that the seals killed an unarmed man, & there would be calls for investigations and inquiries why we went into Pakistani airspace.

If you want to re write history of this just watch Fox News. Fact is Bush called of the search just after 6 months.

[keithy_19]

If you want to re write history of this just watch Fox News. Fact is Bush called of the search just after 6 months.

This tends to disagree with that notion. (http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=750932)

I don't like that this has turned political, but I guess we all knew it would eventually.

[jonyrotn]

This tends to disagree with that notion. (http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=750932)

I don't like that this has turned political, but I guess we all knew it would eventually.
http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd477/Sectorabc/military-industrial-complex2.jpg
And this is coming from a former general..

[StanUpshaw]

Model Mayhem.

When you think military intelligence news and information, think Model Mayhem.

Model Mayhem.

[SonOfSmeagol]

If you want to re write history of this just watch Fox News. Fact is Bush called of the search just after 6 months.

uh...no

[jonyrotn]

uh...no
http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd477/Sectorabc/twoface.jpg

[SonOfSmeagol]

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd477/Sectorabc/twoface.jpg

Yeah, I guess, for example, that all those AQ guys captured and interrogated after March 2002 were asked about everyone but obl. Definitely called it off. Gotta be.

[StanUpshaw]

1. It's just a made up quote that you'll never find a source for.

2. Why is anyone talking about something that hanso posted?

[SonOfSmeagol]

1. It's just a made up quote that you'll never find a source for.

2. Why is anyone talking about something that hanso posted?

I feel kind of bad for the fellow. Apparently he's been forced to watch FoxNews from a very early age and it has had some adverse effects.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oxbuA5BxEEE/S-u31Ce6-dI/AAAAAAAAB1c/MOTRd8o_EbQ/s1600/a-clockwork-orange-2.jpg

[keithy_19]

Model Mayhem.

When you think military intelligence news and information, think Model Mayhem.

Model Mayhem.

I thought that when I found the site. I should have linked to the article that the quote came from rather than going through a middle man.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just realized probably the reason why OBL pics haven't been released is because we did execute him and people would tell right away he was shot in the back of the head.

[Dudeman]

I just realized probably the reason why OBL pics haven't been released is because we did execute him and people would tell right away he was shot in the back of the head.

"probably" or possibly?

[PapaBear]

I just realized probably the reason why OBL pics haven't been released is because we did execute him and people would tell right away he was shot in the back of the head.

"probably" or possibly?
More like "not even close to likely". There is no conceivable reason for them to have shot him in the back of the head, unless he was running away.

[keithy_19]

More like "not even close to likely". There is no conceivable reason for them to have shot him in the back of the head, unless he was running away.

That's the story I heard. That he pushed one of his wives towards the SEALS and started to run.

But to be honest, even if they did shoot him in the back of the head execution style I don't mind.

[PapaBear]

I think the standard for "execution style" is shooting some one in the head or chest as they are not moving or resisting. Such as standing, kneeling, or laying down. Not running. And I also don't care how it was done. I don't believe a back of the head shot would be any reason to not release the photos. They didn't release them, for the same reason they didn't allow for his body to be buried in a place that could become a symbol.

[sailor]

I thought that when I found the site. I should have linked to the article that the quote came from rather than going through a middle man.

that's the same site someone posted in the mikeyboy birthday thread, so i thought you were just being a goof.

[Bob Impact]

I think the standard for "execution style" is shooting some one in the head or chest as they are not moving or resisting. Such as standing, kneeling, or laying down. Not running. And I also don't care how it was done. I don't believe a back of the head shot would be any reason to not release the photos. They didn't release them, for the same reason they didn't allow for his body to be buried in a place that could become a symbol.

One in da head, one in da heart.

[hanso]

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd477/Sectorabc/twoface.jpg

And folks polled "felt safer" with him giving him a second term. Did they not hear the sounds coming from his lipps when his mouth moved?

[Bob Impact]

Here it is in context
Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of --

THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.

So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

And there will be other battles in Afghanistan. There's going to be other struggles like Shahikot, and I'm just as confident about the outcome of those future battles as I was about Shahikot, where our soldiers are performing brilliantly. We're tough, we're strong, they're well-equipped. We have a good strategy. We are showing the world we know how to fight a guerrilla war with conventional means.

Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.

But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became -- we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we -- excuse me for a minute -- and if we find a training camp, we'll take care of it. Either we will or our friends will. That's one of the things -- part of the new phase that's becoming apparent to the American people is that we're working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary, or training, or a place to hide, or a place to raise money.

And we've got more work to do. See, that's the thing the American people have got to understand, that we've only been at this six months. This is going to be a long struggle. I keep saying that; I don't know whether you all believe me or not. But time will show you that it's going to take a long time to achieve this objective. And I can assure you, I am not going to blink. And I'm not going to get tired. Because I know what is at stake. And history has called us to action, and I am going to seize this moment for the good of the world, for peace in the world and for freedom.

[jonyrotn]

1. It's just a made up quote that you'll never find a source for.

2. Why is anyone talking about something that hanso posted?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I don't know how to make a link on my phone but this is the clip...

[StanUpshaw]

I'm not sure you understand how quotes work.

[jonyrotn]

I'm not sure you understand how quotes work.
Just google " george bush doesn't care where bin laden is".. The clip is about 1:35 long..

[disneyspy]

here i come to save the daaaaaay

<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/4PGmnz5Ow-o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[StanUpshaw]

Yes, I saw the clip. Hence my comment, "I'm not sure you understand how quotes work."

[jonyrotn]

here i come to save the daaaaaaay

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/stormyknightMK/16572191_ea9c2626f7_m.jpg
ATTA BOY!!!

[A.J.]

I just realized probably the reason why OBL pics haven't been released is because we did execute him and people would tell right away he was shot in the back of the head.

From the Texas Schoolbook Depository.

[Tenbatsuzen]

From the Texas Schoolbook Depository.

You know, Roger McDowell mysteriously disappeared right before the news broke.

[A.J.]

You know, Roger McDowell mysteriously disappeared right before the news broke.

What a homo.

[jonyrotn]

From the Texas Schoolbook Depository.
Spoiler alert....
AJ's bias and indoctrinated..
His entire livelyhood depends on the continued surge forward of the military industrial complex..
It don't make him a bad guy though.. ;-)

[disneyspy]

Spoiler alert....
AJ's bias and indoctrinated..
His entire livelyhood depends on the continued surge forward of the military industrial complex..
It don't make him a bad guy though.. ;-)

better watch out jony,he'll shoot you in the face and make you applogize

[jonyrotn]

better watch out jony,he'll shoot you in the face and make you applogize
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh251/kennythaprince/5.jpg
He only shots brown people and their children in the face..

[A.J.]

Spoiler alert....
AJ's bias and indoctrinated..
His entire livelyhood depends on the continued surge forward of the military industrial complex..
It don't make him a bad guy though.. ;-)

I AM the military industrial complex: MUAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!

http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/07/27/1185590809_0300/410w.jpg

[jonyrotn]

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u213/Tamme57/WAR%20USA%20IRAQ%20SOLDIERS%20CIVILIANS/Protesting%20and%20ANTI-WAR%20signs/uploadephotobuckettamme5758.jpg

[hanso]

http://www.10pix.ru/view/4553/4302148/

[Zorro]

http://youtu.be/XtGn-Iz_ruw

You control a worldwide terror network and don't even have a flat screen?

[jonyrotn]

Yes, I saw the clip. Hence my comment, "I'm not sure you understand how quotes work."
Like this...
"What?", he questioned in a befuddled tone...

[jonyrotn]

Yeah, I guess, for example, that all those AQ guys captured and interrogated after March 2002 were asked about everyone but obl. Definitely called it off. Gotta be.

1) Are we talking about on the record facts or what we think people might of said at some point in time?

2) Is everyone from Middle Earth as nieve as you?

[SonOfSmeagol]

1) Are we talking about on the record facts or what we think people might of said at some point in time?

2) Is everyone from Middle Earth as nieve as you?

nieve, I dunno. sarkastik, maybe

[jonyrotn]

nieve, I dunno. sarkastik, maybe
Yes but...
Your naivete and failure to grasp the concept of the "big picture" has triggered a very common defense mechanism, that being sarcasm..

[jonyrotn]

This thread is useless without pics..

[sailor]

Apparently Pakistan gave the US permission to run this type of raid to get bin laden a full decade ago.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Yes but...
Your naivete and failure to grasp the concept of the "big picture" has triggered a very common defense mechanism, that being sarcasm..

Don't be a pompous ass. The statement that Bush called off the search for obl in March 2002 (called off!) is deserving of nothing more than sarcasm. Not to mention an insult to the hundreds, if not thousands, of US military and civilian people (of all party affiliations, or none) who never stopped looking.

[jonyrotn]

Don't be a pompous ass. The statement that Bush called off the search for obl in March 2002 (called off!) is deserving of nothing more than sarcasm. Not to mention an insult to the hundreds, if not thousands, of US military and civilian people (of all party affiliations, or none) who never stopped looking.
Okay...Sorry to offend you..

[SonOfSmeagol]

none taken budday, I was just respondin'. thanks

[Crash]

Not that I want to end the conversation about "Nature Penis Pills", cause really I don't (and that part of the post will make NO sense when those posts get deleted) but...

Pakistan has outed our CIA Station Chief...

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/09/2209327_p2/us-suspects-leak-of-cia-station.html

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Amid growing U.S. and Pakistani suspicions, Pakistan's prime minister on Monday dismissed as "absurd" U.S. allegations that the nation's powerful military was "complicit or incompetent" in the case of Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaida leader who was killed a week ago by U.S. Navy SEALs in a compound 35 air miles from Pakistan's capital.

Even as Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani spoke, however, some U.S. officials expressed anger that once again the name of the top U.S. spy in Pakistan had been disclosed by Pakistani news organizations in what some say might have been retaliation for the raid.

"It is disingenuous for anyone to blame Pakistan or state institutions of Pakistan, including the ISI and the armed forces, for being in cahoots with the al-Qaida," Gilani said. "It was al-Qaida and its affiliates that carried out hundreds of suicide bombings in nearly every town and city of Pakistan and also targeted political leaders, state institutions, the ISI and the General Headquarters" of the military.

"Cahoots"? Really? That can't possibly be the official translation.

[Pitdoc]

Don't be a pompous ass. The statement that Bush called off the search for obl in March 2002 (called off!) is deserving of nothing more than sarcasm. Not to mention an insult to the hundreds, if not thousands, of US military and civilian people (of all party affiliations, or none) who never stopped looking.

Well, the Bush administration DID close down the OBL desk ,in 2005 , which was the specific section of Intelligence LOOKING for the bastard. It didn't open up again until 2009 . As for the name of the courier , there's no proof that torture got that name(at least the first time;it wasn't until the same name was mentioned several times till they put things together), and nobody in intelligence is EVER going to say .However, they didnt START putting the pieces together until August of last year

[hanso]

Okay...Sorry to offend you..

Screw him. That's what the man said word for word. And should have meaning.

[hanso]

Well, the Bush administration DID close down the OBL desk ,in 2005 , which was the specific section of Intelligence LOOKING for the bastard. It didn't open up again until 2009 . As for the name of the courier , there's no proof that torture got that name(at least the first time;it wasn't until the same name was mentioned several times till they put things together), and nobody in intelligence is EVER going to say .However, they didnt START putting the pieces together until August of last year

And opened a 9/11 commission only after his hand was pushed.

[Dudeman]

And opened a 9/11 commission only after his hand was pushed.

what about the whole going into iraq instead of focusing on al queda / afganistan....

[Pitdoc]

And opened a 9/11 commission only after his hand was pushed.

Was this a commission to look into the details of the attacks? Or are you talking about the fund to pay off the families of the victims? Because the second one was a foregone conclusion ,as the airlines were on the governments ass to not get themselves sued into oblivion. The first one, ehh.. just more material for the Truthers to deny.

[jonyrotn]

Screw him. That's what the man said word for word. And should have meaning.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h152/pacersdigest/jules.jpg
"Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the vally of darkness..For he is TRULY his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.."

[Crispy123]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Was this a terrorist compound or a college dorm ?


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-pornography-found-bin-laden-hideout-officials-162214194.html

[brettmojo]

Was this a terrorist compound or a college dorm ?


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-pornography-found-bin-laden-hideout-officials-162214194.html
Osama BEEN JERKIN' LOL!LOL!LOL!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Some of his favorite movies were


Deep Throat Cut
Debbie Does Dubai




In those movies the women give good head... Literally

[jonyrotn]

This mack daddy mother fucker's been Heffin' up on his own little bunny ranch..
Probably all maxin' and relaxin' in some pimped out silk pajamas and a faggotty-ass smoking jacket, whilst the home team was running all over Emptycaveistan looking for some fuckin mythological Taliban god that was supposed to be something akin to Supercaveman, come billy goat on steroids, come Keiser Soze's even more elusive Saudi cousin.. And here he is, sittin up in the crib, beatin his dick like it owes him money..
Ain't this about a bitch..He made ascots out of all of us..
The only thing left for him to do is drop the sex tape, posthumously..

[WRESTLINGFAN]

OBL had extensive tapes of college aged Muslim women exposing full ankles called Girls gone Martyred

[Judge Smails]

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2011/05/02/tupac-osama-460.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Pakistani Mafia had a strip club near his compound called Bada Bomb

[A.J.]

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2011/05/02/tupac-osama-460.jpg

So it was Seal Team 6 that also killed Tupac and Biggie?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So it was Seal Team 6 that also killed Tupac and Biggie?

Operation Gerono-Bro's

[jonyrotn]

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2011/05/02/tupac-osama-460.jpg
Hahaha...
Who snuck a camera into Cuba?
OBL needs a Jesus piece and the WWE wrist bling, iced out with Stone Cold Rocks..

[keithy_19]

Operation Gerono-Bro's

:laugh:

[Earlshog]

So it was Seal Team 6 that also killed Tupac and Biggie?

and Jam Master Jay

[sailor]

secretary of defense robert gates: "If I were in Pakistani shoes, I would say I've already paid a price. I've been humiliated. I've been shown that the Americans can come in here and do this with impunity." (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/18/pakistan.bin.laden/index.html)

is this really the type of shit he needs to be saying now?

[Snacks]

secretary of defense robert gates: "If I were in Pakistani shoes, I would say I've already paid a price. I've been humiliated. I've been shown that the Americans can come in here and do this with impunity." (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/18/pakistan.bin.laden/index.html)

is this really the type of shit he needs to be saying now?

Seriously, exactly!

[SonOfSmeagol]

It might be related to his short-timer syndrome. I thought he was much more disciplined that this. But agreed - hard to see how this is helpful in any way at all.

[Judge Smails]

I say "fuck 'em". On our way out of the country we should have stopped at the presidential palace and burned "America - Fuck Yeah!" on the front lawn with Agent Orange.

[Dude!]

secretary of defense robert gates: "If I were in Pakistani shoes, I would say I've already paid a price. I've been humiliated. I've been shown that the Americans can come in here and do this with impunity." (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/18/pakistan.bin.laden/index.html)

is this really the type of shit he needs to be saying now?

apparently, yes

he is not the kind of guy
who says things without thinking

i suspect there was some valid
reasoning behind his saying it

[Zorro]

secretary of defense robert gates: "If I were in Pakistani shoes, I would say I've already paid a price. I've been humiliated. I've been shown that the Americans can come in here and do this with impunity." (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/18/pakistan.bin.laden/index.html)

is this really the type of shit he needs to be saying now?

Gates is no dummy, doubt he would say this stuff if Obama didn't want him to

[NewYorkDragons80]

secretary of defense robert gates: "If I were in Pakistani shoes, I would say I've already paid a price. I've been humiliated. I've been shown that the Americans can come in here and do this with impunity." (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/18/pakistan.bin.laden/index.html)

is this really the type of shit he needs to be saying now?

That's the senioritis kicking in.

[A.J.]

secretary of defense robert gates: "If I were in Pakistani shoes, I would say I've already paid a price. I've been humiliated. I've been shown that the Americans can come in here and do this with impunity." (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/18/pakistan.bin.laden/index.html)

is this really the type of shit he needs to be saying now?

He's on the way out -- and he's absolutely right. Heads have to roll over there or the funding gets cut.

[sailor]

He's on the way out -- and he's absolutely right. Heads have to roll over there or the funding gets cut.

I'm not saying I don't agree with him. It's just not what we need a senior official to be putting out there with how we're already perceived in the region (and elsewhere).

[A.J.]

Obama's Middle East speech will smooth things over for the region writ large. But the Pakistanis have to be held accountable for fucking up as badly as they have.

[sailor]

Obama's Middle East speech will smooth things over for the region writ large. But the Pakistanis have to be held accountable for fucking up as badly as they have.

Why does everyone assume they're complicit with hiding bin laden? If he's in a house and never goes out, why would they be expected to know he was there?