NYC Politics and stuff

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Im so happy that we have our military deployed to fight for our freedoms.


Go Murrrrrrrrica!!!!!!

[Crispy123]

Just make your point sans the Socratic method.

I love the questions game!!! :nono:

My turn,

Why participate in the government of your country by taking a stand on an issue and organizing like minded citizens into a voting bloc when you can just bitch about big brother and be an internet troll???

[Furtherman]

Face up to what you're advocating. You want to use the force of government to infringe on the rights of peaceful citizens because that's what fits your personal preferences. You're no better than a a pro lifer.

OMG it's the war on soda!!

The only thing I'm facing is a paranoid android.

[sailor]

OMG it's the war on soda!!

The only thing I'm facing is a paranoid android.

Other than Zooey, Alan rickman was my fave part of that movie.

[Furtherman]

Other than Zooey, Alan rickman was my fave part of that movie.

500 Days Of Die Hard?

[sailor]

500 Days Of Die Hard?

Rickman played Marvin...

[StanUpshaw]

I love the questions game!!! :nono:

My turn,

Why participate in the government of your country by taking a stand on an issue and organizing like minded citizens into a voting bloc when you can just bitch about big brother and be an internet troll???

Because if I did that, I'd be as ethically void as the rest of you animals. Organizing the violent forces of government to work for me would be unjust. Acknowledging that is why I'm better than you.

[Crispy123]

OMG it's the war on soda!!

The only thing I'm facing is a paranoid android.

don't worry. its just a pablo, honey.

[Furtherman]

Because if I did that, I'd be as ethically void as the rest of you animals. Organizing the violent forces of government to work for me would be unjust. Acknowledging that is why I'm better than you.

http://lifewithoutfaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/beck-tinfoil-hat.jpg

[StanUpshaw]

http://lifewithoutfaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/beck-tinfoil-hat.jpg

What a fucking coward. I see you've been taking argumentation lessons from Crispy.

[disneyspy]

:popcorn:

[Furtherman]

What a fucking coward. I see you've been taking argumentation lessons from Crispy.

Right. Because the threat of the soda police is real.

Your big boasts must echo in that empty life.

[Furtherman]

:popcorn:

BAN POPCORN!!!! :banning:

[StanUpshaw]

Right. Because the threat of the soda police is real.

Your big boasts must echo in that empty life.

Are you saying that if it becomes a law, that no one will enforce it?

Why do want a law that won't be enforced?

[StanUpshaw]

Im so happy that we have our military deployed to fight for our freedoms.


Go Murrrrrrrrica!!!!!!

Exactly. Crispy is fond of saying he killed sand niggers to protect my freedoms.

If that's true, he did a pisspoor job of it.

[Crispy123]

BAN POPCORN!!!! :banning:

OK Further, heres the 123 of arguments lesson from Crispy:

1. when challenged on your position redirect by asking questions yourself (never actually take a position or answer...if backed into a corner on an argument, then attack the character of the other person or, even better, the "government").

2. whenever possible use logical fallacies: http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

3. Ultimately get all pissy and accuse the other person of using the tactics of evading an actual debate that you yourself have been using all along.

enjoy! :wink:

[StanUpshaw]

4. Go to 1.

[StanUpshaw]

If you can come up with a coherent, consistent ethical philosophy to justify your positions, I'm all ears.

[Furtherman]

Are you saying that if it becomes a law, that no one will enforce it?

Why do want a law that won't be enforced?

Thanks for answering my question.


Yes, if it becomes a law, there will be a special task force checking every corner boedega for illegal, contraband, black market 16 oz. cups. Those who have them will be destroyed. Perferrably by fire.

[StanUpshaw]

Thanks for answering my question.


Yes, if it becomes a law, there will be a special task force checking every corner boedega for illegal, contraband, black market 16 oz. cups. Those who have them will be destroyed. Perferrably by fire.

I bet if you think REALLY hard, you can come up with a few instances of when the City of New York "cracked down" on one particular statutory violation or another.




I'll wait.

[Jujubees2]

Mayor Bloomberg,

I'll give you my Big Gulp when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What can happen is that Bd of Health officials will inspect stores. Of course a way around it is with everything else. Give them an envelope of cash and wont see a thing.

[sailor]

I bet if you think REALLY hard, you can come up with a few instances of when the City of New York "cracked down" on one particular statutory violation or another.




I'll wait.

Yeah, FM, do his research for him!

[A.J.]

Thanks for answering my question.


Yes, if it becomes a law, there will be a special task force checking every corner boedega for illegal, contraband, black market 16 oz. cups. Those who have them will be destroyed. Perferrably by fire.

I can see it now: the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Big Gulps.

[Crispy123]

Thanks for answering my question.

Gold star to you if you can guess who my star pupil is!

[StanUpshaw]

Half a dozen posters deriding me, none disputing me.

Telling.

[underdog]

Just make your point sans the Socratic method.

:laugh:

[StanUpshaw]

And baby makes seven

[Furtherman]

Gold star to you if you can guess who my star pupil is!

Seriously. All pretense of an actual discussion vanishes when he comes is swinging, cursing and disgusted for no other reason than some self-loathing hatred. Or he's just in a pissy mood.

[Furtherman]

Quit Complaining About Mayor Bloomberg’s Soda Ban, Fatsos (http://gawker.com/5914630/quit-complaining-about-mayor-bloombergs-soda-ban-fatsos)


Exactly.



People, please, shut the fuck up.


If you think that a ban on large sodas is somehow an affront to America freedom, I have news for you: You don't live in a free country. You never have and you never will. That's an illusion. You are not free to murder people in America. You are not free to stand in the middle of an intersection and block traffic like an asshole. You do not have the absolute freedom to do anything you want in America, and that's a good thing, because living somewhere with absolute freedom means you live in fucking Deadwood. There are a million different laws and rules that come with being an American, and we, as a collective, put all those annoying rules in there of our own accord. Democracy doesn't mean "Hey you, go do whatever the fuck you want." It means that you get to choose the people that represent you in government, and hope that they create and enforce the laws that help us function as a civilized society.

[Misteriosa]

Quit Complaining About Mayor Bloomberg’s Soda Ban, Fatsos (http://gawker.com/5914630/quit-complaining-about-mayor-bloombergs-soda-ban-fatsos)


Exactly.

that picture has me DYING :lol:

[underdog]

And baby makes seven

I'm not arguing anyone. I'm just laughing at sailor.

[StanUpshaw]

Quit Complaining About Mayor Bloomberg’s Soda Ban, Fatsos (http://gawker.com/5914630/quit-complaining-about-mayor-bloombergs-soda-ban-fatsos)


Exactly.

Mill? An amateur.
Locke? Lol, what a faggot.
Paine? More like Laime.

No sir! When I want ruminations on the philosophy of liberty, I turn to GAWKER DOT COM.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So murder and armed robbery according to the writer is the same as drinking a supersized soft drink


Also we don't live under anarchy. Give those people at gawker pulitzers they have some sharp minds. Hey everyone if you stab your brother in law for no reason you can be jailed

[sailor]

I'm not arguing anyone. I'm just laughing at sailor.

Not with?

[underdog]

Not with?

Maybe.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mill? An amateur.
Locke? Lol, what a faggot.
Paine? More like Laime.

No sir! When I want ruminations on the philosophy of liberty, I turn to GAWKER DOT COM.

Keep your mouth closed and comply!!!!


The overlords in NYC, Boston, DC, Chicago, and California know more than you. They are the enlightened ones and you must obey.

[underdog]

Keep your mouth closed and comply!!!!


The overlords in NYC, Boston, DC, Chicago, and California know more than you. They are the enlightened ones and you must obey.

You left out Connecticut.

[underdog]

Keep your mouth closed and comply!!!!


The overlords in NYC, Boston, DC, Chicago, and California know more than you. They are the enlightened ones and you must obey.

Also, what you replied had nothing to do with what you replied to.

Keep being you.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Also, what you replied had nothing to do with what you replied to.

Keep being you.

Had everything to do with it.


Some pseudo intellectual with a blog on some halfpint website worshipping a mini quasi dictator. But hell no mention of Bloomturd telling NYC Voters to fuck off!!! He has the freedom to run for a 3rd term, who gives a damn about what the people voted for. Term limits mean nothing!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You left out Connecticut.

CT only has a senator who lied about fighting in Vietnam

[underdog]

Had everything to do with it.


Some pseudo intellectual with a blog on some halfpint website worshipping a mini quasi dictator. But hell no mention of Bloomturd telling NYC Voters to fuck off!!! He has the freedom to run for a 3rd term, who gives a damn about what the people voted for. Term limits mean nothing!!!

You're amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You're amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing.

Ill drink to that.


Hell Its still legal here to have more than 16 oz. :thumbup:

[brettmojo]

Quit Complaining About Mayor Bloomberg’s Soda Ban, Fatsos (http://gawker.com/5914630/quit-complaining-about-mayor-bloombergs-soda-ban-fatsos)


Exactly.
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1765/tumblrm14sibiwe21qzbesk.gif

[A.J.]

Quit Complaining About Mayor Bloomberg’s Soda Ban, Fatsos (http://gawker.com/5914630/quit-complaining-about-mayor-bloombergs-soda-ban-fatsos)


Exactly.

that picture has me DYING :lol:

That's why they're being banned. Killer sodaz!!!!

[A.J.]

CT only has a senator who lied about fighting in Vietnam

Two Jews for every goy.

[Jujubees2]

So murder and armed robbery according to the writer is the same as drinking a supersized soft drink


Also we don't live under anarchy. Give those people at gawker pulitzers they have some sharp minds. Hey everyone if you stab your brother in law for no reason you can be jailed

What about speed limits? And turning right on red (which you can't do in NYC)? Aren't they restricting my freedoms?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What about speed limits? And turning right on red (which you can't do in NYC)? Aren't they restricting my freedoms?

Drinking a soda and driving are 2 opposite ends of the spectrum

[Furtherman]

Mill? An amateur.
Locke? Lol, what a faggot.
Paine? More like Laime.

No sir! When I want ruminations on the philosophy of liberty, I turn to GAWKER DOT COM.

There is no philosophy here. There is banning of 16+ ounce cups that turns too many people into crybabies, and will have forgotten all about it a month after it goes into effect.

You and your liberal media have gone too far.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[Crispy123]

Drinking a soda and driving are 2 opposite ends of the spectrum

yea and also nobody is stopping people from drinking soda.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yea and also nobody is stopping people from drinking soda.

If its over a certain size then Bloomberg does.



So should a bag of doritos be banned in NYC if its over Bloombergs threshold?

[Crispy123]

If its over a certain size then Bloomberg does.



So should a bag of doritos be banned in NYC if its over Bloombergs threshold?

nope wrong again.

[StanUpshaw]

What about speed limits? And turning right on red (which you can't do in NYC)? Aren't they restricting my freedoms?

The roads are public.

Shops, restaurants and movie theaters are private.

The school you went to was public, and that's why you're so fucking dumb.

[Crispy123]

The roads are public.

Shops, restaurants and movie theaters are private.

The school you went to was public, and that's why you're so fucking dumb.

Yea dummies, thats why private shops, restaurants, and movie theaters are allowed to sell crack.

cuz they are private.

not public.

dummies.

[SonOfSmeagol]

pretty balanced look at it:

Mayor Bloomberg vs. the Big Gulp - Is the New York mayor's plan to ban super-sized sodas a healthy choice or government run amok? (http://www.latimes.com/health/la-ed-soda-ban-bloomberg-20120601,0,3737836.story)

I think the law is just silly. good intentions but misguided use of gov't time and other resources.

[StanUpshaw]

Yea dummies, thats why private shops, restaurants, and movie theaters are allowed to sell crack.

cuz their private.

not public.

dummies.

They should be allowed to. But costume-wearing thugs point guns at them if they try.

But look who I'm talking to...You know all about wearing a costume and pointing guns at people.

[Crispy123]

They should be allowed to. But costume-wearing thugs point guns at them if they try.

But look who I'm talking to...You know all about wearing a costume and pointing guns at people.

Yea but you forgot to mention that in your ad hominem argument to jujubees.

But I get it, you must have gone to public school too.

[StanUpshaw]

I didn't say he's wrong because he's an idiot. I explained why he was wrong, and then applied the proper label to him.

It's not an ad hominem argument. It's just an insult.

[Crispy123]

I didn't say he's wrong because he's an idiot. I explained why he was wrong, and then applied the proper label to him.

It's not an ad hominem argument. It's just an insult.

but we just cleared up the fact that he wasn't wrong.

You tried to negate his fairly accurate argument AND insulted him.

Text book definition of ad hominem.

Don't worry tho, Furtherman isn't getting these argument techniques down. You are still my prize pupil.

[booster11373]

If I totally ignore reality and human nature can I become a libertarian?

[StanUpshaw]

If I totally ignore reality and human nature can I become a libertarian?

Nope! All you have to do is be consistent in your thinking!

:thumbup::thumbup:

[booster11373]

Nope! All you have to do is be consistent in your thinking!

:thumbup::thumbup:

Exactly! who cares about reality when you have consistency

[StanUpshaw]

two plus two equals five

[booster11373]

two plus two equals five

Is that they best way to describe what its like living in your libertarian fantasy world?

[StanUpshaw]

Is that they best way to describe what its like living in your libertarian fantasy world?

No. Here, all of our equations balance.

[underdog]

No. Here, all of our equations balance.

:lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/527224_10150934560296460_501091459_9975341_5289618 98_n.jpg

[Snacks]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/527224_10150934560296460_501091459_9975341_5289618 98_n.jpg

You do realize the soda/shake from the picture from 1942 was a treat and only purchased once in a while and the sodas on the right are now purchased daily and in many cases multiple times a day.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You do realize the soda/shake from the picture from 1942 was a treat and only purchased once in a while and the sodas on the right are now purchased daily and in many cases multiple times a day.

You can purchase alcohol daily and many times too.

[StanUpshaw]

You do realize the soda/shake from the picture from 1942 was a treat and only purchased once in a while and the sodas on the right are now purchased daily and in many cases multiple times a day.

Well in that case, opposition rescinded! Why didn't someone tell me that sooner!?!?!?!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dont these busybody do gooders ever think when they want to micromanage peoples lives?

They want to ban soda over a certain size, but tonight someone can go to a bar or club in Manhattan and order bottle service and drink an entire bottle of Grey goose by himself

[booster11373]

The religious and libertarians both seem to want to live in a fantasy world

[booster11373]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/527224_10150934560296460_501091459_9975341_5289618 98_n.jpg

I dont share the libertarian sense of humor is this funny?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The progressives seem to want to live in a fantasy world

fixed

[StanUpshaw]

The religious and libertarians both seem to want to live in a fantasy world

What is the fantasy?

[keithy_19]

What is the fantasy?

A place where we can all worship the same god in anyway we want.

[Snacks]

You can purchase alcohol daily and many times too.

and there are huge taxes on it and in bars set limits as well.

[booster11373]

In the fantasy world, alcohol and soda are the same thing

[keithy_19]

and there are huge taxes on it and in bars set limits as well.

When bars set limits on how much you can drink, is it more based on how they don't wan't to be responsible for any accidents that happen outside of the bar or is it a government regulation?

I've always felt that it was more based on the discretion of the bartender rather than regulations. I could be completely wrong though.

[StanUpshaw]

In the fantasy world, alcohol and soda are the same thing

You think libertarians believe alcohol and soda are the exact same substance?

[keithy_19]

You think libertarians believe alcohol and soda are the exact same substance?

We don't. But isn't the point that the individual should be the one to decide what they put in their body?

[keithy_19]

Stan, my last post wa kind of rhetorical question. I believe we're in the same boat.

[TripleSkeet]

pretty balanced look at it:

Mayor Bloomberg vs. the Big Gulp - Is the New York mayor's plan to ban super-sized sodas a healthy choice or government run amok? (http://www.latimes.com/health/la-ed-soda-ban-bloomberg-20120601,0,3737836.story)

I think the law is just silly. good intentions but misguided use of gov't time and other resources.

Took long enough for someone to say it. If I was a NY taxpayer, Id be pissed off that this is what my mayor is working on. Its a stupid law, it will not work, and its just pointless.

Do people that support this actually believe it will somehow make a healthier society and (Im actually laughing while I type this one) LOWER their insurance payments? You cant really believe that, right?

I also dont get why those that eat healthy and take care of themselves want the government to try and force others to do the same. When I was going to the gym every day and at my healthiest, I dint want to be around other guys that worked out all the time. I wanted to go somewhere where most of the guys were fatbodies because it made me stand out even more and get even more pussy. All youre doing is supporting competition for yourselves.

[TripleSkeet]

When bars set limits on how much you can drink, is it more based on how they don't wan't to be responsible for any accidents that happen outside of the bar or is it a government regulation?

I've always felt that it was more based on the discretion of the bartender rather than regulations. I could be completely wrong though.

Thats exactly it. The bars were afraid of lawsuits. Im not gonna lie, as a bartender if youve got cash Ill fucking serve you til youre in a coma. Ive worked that way for the last 18 years. Im not your fucking babysitter, Im working to make money. You wrap your car around a tree thats your fault, not mine.

[underdog]

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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[underdog]

fixed

Zing!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[StanUpshaw]

Stan, my last post wa kind of rhetorical question. I believe we're in the same boat.

Welcome aboard!

[keithy_19]

Welcome aboard!

I've been here for awhile. Gary Johnson 2012?

[StanUpshaw]

I've been here for awhile. Gary Johnson 2012?

I don't vote.

But Johnson would certainly be preferable to Obamney.

[keithy_19]

I don't vote.

But Johnson would certainly be preferable to Obamney.

Fair enough.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to "throw away" my vote this year.

[Furtherman]

Research Backs Up Bloomberg’s Soda Ban: Smaller Portion Sizes Decrease How Much People Eat (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/01/493490/bloomberg-large-soda-ban/)

By 2030, an estimated 42 percent of Americans are expected to be obese. It will take dramatic changes to slow the soaring obesity rate, but even a small decrease in this number could save $550 billion in health care costs. Even if it may face difficulties in practice, Bloomberg’s idea to limit portion sizes for sugary drinks is an important place to start to try to address the nation’s obesity rate.

[A.J.]

Research Backs Up Bloomberg’s Soda Ban: Smaller Portion Sizes Decrease How Much People Eat (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/01/493490/bloomberg-large-soda-ban/)

Half-sodas!

[StanUpshaw]

Think of how much you could save if you just made people exercise at gunpoint!

I mean this sincerely, Furtherman: You're a fascist piece of dogshit.

[Furtherman]

Think of how much you could save if you just made people exercise at gunpoint!

I mean this sincerely, Furtherman: You're a fascist piece of dogshit.

You keep saying that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.


Anyway, that's two personal attacks. And since we have rules here, plus you're extra cranky this morning, come back tomorrow. Please, try and smile today. Have a large soda.

[sailor]

Research Backs Up Bloomberg’s Soda Ban: Smaller Portion Sizes Decrease How Much People Eat (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/01/493490/bloomberg-large-soda-ban/)

Doesn't everyone know that? Still, there are lots of things people do that are bad for them. I don't see how this isn't a ridiculous rule.

[Furtherman]

Doesn't everyone know that?

No.

[Furtherman]

Celebs take sides in mayor's war against soda (http://www.amny.com/urbanite-1.812039/celebs-take-sides-in-mayor-s-war-against-soda-1.3758953)

[sailor]

Celebs take sides in mayor's war against soda (http://www.amny.com/urbanite-1.812039/celebs-take-sides-in-mayor-s-war-against-soda-1.3758953)

Sure, it's an elitist move; why wouldn't they?

[AnonymousPollster]

You keep saying that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.


Anyway, that's two personal attacks. And since we have rules here, plus you're extra cranky this morning, come back tomorrow. Please, try and smile today. Have a large soda.

Dogshit? It's the runny excrement pushed through the bowels of a canine.

It describes you perfectly.

[Furtherman]

Dogshit? It's the runny excrement pushed through the bowels of a canine.

It describes you perfectly.

Poor Stan. So angry at life that he'll take a post that in no way takes a stand, mearly offers more information, and immediately takes it personally. Facism has nothing to do with it.

[Jujubees2]

Poor Stan. So angry at life that he'll take a post that in no way takes a stand, mearly offers more information, and immediately takes it personally. Facism has nothing to do with it.

He must have gone to a public school like me.

[Furtherman]

He must have gone to a public school like me.

The anger this subject has caused is disturbing.

[Snacks]

Doesn't everyone know that? Still, there are lots of things people do that are bad for them. I don't see how this isn't a ridiculous rule.

Like many things that are allowed but bad for us they put high taxes on it or they put limits. I see both sides of this issue but like some have said we have many limits on our freedoms and certain times govt has to protect use from ourselves. After years and years of our societies weight problem getting out of control and this becoming a national health problem the govt is stepping in and doing something because too many dont do it themselves.

Remember the super size fry? That was banned and everyone said they would just buy 2 large fries. I even said it because I used to love Mcds fries. Well I never did and that is what they expect and hope for. They expect people to be pissed at first but in the long run people will get used to eating or drinking less because they will have less in front of them. Portion size is the biggest problem with why we have weight problems. 20 years ago the avg large soda was the size of what the avg small soda is now. We have gradually started to eat more and drink more as they started making our portions bigger.

[sailor]

Pretty sure McDonald's got rid of supersizing after they took a PR hit, not due to legislation.

[Snacks]

Pretty sure McDonald's got rid of supersizing after they took a PR hit, not due to legislation.

True and that is the difference here. Govt doing it or businesses doing it? Problem is for the most part businesses aren't making their food any healthier so govt is stepping in. When McDs and the other fast food places removed their Super size and "Go Big" and whatever else they called those oversize fries and oversize soda meal deals it was a 1 time PR move by them. They got a lot of press out of it and tried to make it look like they were doing something good. But that doesn't happen too often and society is getting fatter and fatter.

[TripleSkeet]

Doesn't everyone know that? Still, there are lots of things people do that are bad for them. I don't see how this isn't a ridiculous rule.

This.

Isnt the point of freedom to be free to make choices for your own life? Even if those choices are bad for you? Ok, so millions of people are going to be obese. So what? Isnt it their own choice to eat what they want, even if it makes them fat? Just like a smoker should be free to smoke if he wants, even if it causes him cancer.

I dont understand where government should have any say in this. To me it just reeks of more "give up freedom for safety" issues. And Im not talking about the large soda ban, thats just the first step. Im talking about the final destination. Banning of things like sugar, fried foods, trans fats, sweets, etc. in the name of "public safety". That is where this is eventually leading. Believe that.

One more thing, Im so fucking tired of people complaining about how they pay for other peoples healthcare. Shut up. You dont. You pay for your healthcare IN CASE you get sick. And you will continue to pay....just as much if not more...regardless of whether people in this country get fatter, or healthier.

[Jujubees2]

One more thing, Im so fucking tired of people complaining about how they pay for other peoples healthcare. Shut up. You dont. You pay for your healthcare IN CASE you get sick. And you will continue to pay....just as much if not more...regardless of whether people in this country get fatter, or healthier.

Oh, if that were only true. Who do you think pays for the people who show up at Emergency Rooms with no insurance and no means of support?

[sailor]

Oh, if that were only true. Who do you think pays for the people who show up at Emergency Rooms with no insurance and no means of support?

His point is, even when this makes people healthier, you will not see an additional cent in your pocket.

[Furtherman]

The ban of 16+ ounce soda cups is ominous sign of what's to come.

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[Furtherman]

His point is, even when this makes people healthier, you will not see an additional cent in your pocket.

Maybe not, but a healthier society is a better society. But that must mean I wish all the sickies to die or I want to wipe my nose with the consititution or something I guess.

[sailor]

Maybe not, but a healthier society is a better society. But that must mean I wish all the sickies to die or I want to wipe my nose with the consititution or something I guess.

No, my side wants them to die, you're only against the constitution.

[Snacks]

Once again, no one is banning sugar or soda they are saying the sizes need to be smaller. If you want to drink 10 cans go ahead but it will be taxed higher and be harder to do. Most people will get used to consuming less by default and thats the plan or hope by doing this.

I don't see how this is hurting or messing with anyone's freedom. You can still have all the soda you want you just cant have 1 barrel with a straw in it. Buy a reusable container and fill it with 3 or 4 sodas but if you want to be a fat fuck you will pay even more for it. Just like anything that isn't good for you that is legal they will let you have but make it more expensive and have limits.

[Furtherman]

Once again, no one is banning sugar or soda they are saying the sizes need to be smaller. If you want to drink 10 cans go ahead but it will be taxed higher and be harder to do. Most people will get used to consuming less by default and thats the plan or hope by doing this.

I don't see how this is hurting or messing with anyone's freedom. You can still have all the soda you want you just cant have 1 barrel with a straw in it. Buy a reusable container and fill it with 3 or 4 sodas but if you want to be a fat fuck you will pay even more for it. Just like anything that isn't good for you that is legal they will let you have but make it more expensive and have limits.

But... soon they'll be at our doors, checking our pantries and refridgerators and will kill us on sight for the first Kool Ade packet found!!!

Believe that!

[Jujubees2]

But... soon they'll be at our doors, checking our pantries and refridgerators and will kill us on sight for the first Kool Ade packet found!!!

Believe that!

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[TripleSkeet]

His point is, even when this makes people healthier, you will not see an additional cent in your pocket.

Thank you.

Maybe not, but a healthier society is a better society. But that must mean I wish all the sickies to die or I want to wipe my nose with the consititution or something I guess.

Explain why that makes us a better society.

Once again, no one is banning sugar or soda they are saying the sizes need to be smaller. If you want to drink 10 cans go ahead but it will be taxed higher and be harder to do. Most people will get used to consuming less by default and thats the plan or hope by doing this.

I don't see how this is hurting or messing with anyone's freedom. You can still have all the soda you want you just cant have 1 barrel with a straw in it. Buy a reusable container and fill it with 3 or 4 sodas but if you want to be a fat fuck you will pay even more for it. Just like anything that isn't good for you that is legal they will let you have but make it more expensive and have limits.

Yes I get it. Make it so expensive that eventually people cant afford it. Like they do with cigarettes. Or ironically like the healthy foods now. Most people cant afford to just eat healthy. At least not if they want to get good tasting healthy food like at stores like Whole Foods and such.

Again, explain to me why we need the government to stop us from having a barrel of soda if thats what we want.

[TripleSkeet]

But... soon they'll be at our doors, checking our pantries and refridgerators and will kill us on sight for the first Kool Ade packet found!!!

Believe that!

Theres no need for that. Eventually they will just either stop allowing it to be sold or makie it so ridiculously expensive most people wont buy it. And it will all be in the name of "They are costing Americans too much MONEY for healthcare!!!" And after awhile the insurance companies will see a nice rise in profits from healthier Americans while passing exactly none of the savings on to people like yourself.

[Furtherman]

Explain why that makes us a better society.

Whenever an large gap of inequality, whether it be sick to healthy, rich to poor or men to woman's rights, closes to a more equal balance, society benefits overall. A healthier society has more people contributing, working and in better mental and physical heath.

[Snacks]

Whenever an large gap of inequality, whether it be sick to healthy, rich to poor or men to woman's rights, closes to a more equal balance, society benefits overall. A healthier society has more people contributing, working and in better mental and physical heath.

This!

Also Healthy food isn't as expensive as people think. Go To Trader Joes buy from fresh local markets. The reason Whole foods gets so expensive is because people eat too much food. When eating healthy not only do you have to eat better foods you also need to lower the amount. Eat better and eat less and you will save money on food, medicine and other health related issues. Soda, snacks, candy etc are luxury items they aren't a necessity. If you want to eat lots of it and get fat fine but you should pay for it like you do other so called bad for you items. If it gets too expensive tough shit its still available to you and you need to decide whats more important food for living or food that makes you sick?

[brettmojo]

Meanwhile... Go to the bar, drink all you want, get in your car, swerve head on into a family of five, murder them all but THANK GOD you can no longer get a Big Gulp... THAT saves us healthcare costs in the long run.

More misguided legislating for the sake of legislating. Soda is an easy target. Just like video games and violence.

[underdog]

Meanwhile... Go to the bar, drink all you want, get in your car, swerve head on into a family of five, murder them all but THANK GOD you can no longer get a Big Gulp... THAT saves us healthcare costs in the long run.

More misguided legislating for the sake of legislating. Soda is an easy target. Just like video games and violence.

There are drunk driving laws. There are also laws stating that bars are supposed to stop serving you before you're intoxicated.

[Snacks]

There are drunk driving laws. There are also laws stating that bars are supposed to stop serving you before you're intoxicated.

Thats the thing all they are doing is changing some laws on fatty sugary foods. People complain just to complain. No one says you cant eat or drink any of this and they aren't making it illegal. I hated the idea of seat belts and hate wearing them. Now I wear one every time I drive because my car wouldn't stop beeping til I put it on and now its no big deal and I got used to it. The difference is I cant drive without a seat-belt because it will be annoying b/c of the beeping or if I get caught I get a $100 or $250 ticket. This law as of now wont even raise the tax or price all it will do is force you to buy smaller sizes.

[brettmojo]

There are drunk driving laws. There are also laws stating that bars are supposed to stop serving you before you're intoxicated.
Laws against what happens after you drink not while you're drinking. Do you really need a 40oz? No. Let's get rid of that. Do you really need 12 packs? 24? No, get rid of that. Alcohol, a substance that costs society in health costs, costs to our justice system, costs to family's losing their loved ones to drunk driving, shootings, whatever... But no, can't go after them... Wonder why? $$$

Look this way America because this is what they tell you is the big issue... Not what you care about. What? Politicians do something about jobs? Immigration? Taxes? No, but we'll sure do something about your high fructose corn syrup intake!

[brettmojo]

People complain just to complain.
Yeah. Voters complain because people they put in office waste their tax dollars, time and efforts on frivolous legislation instead of tackling real issues because those issues are too hard.

[brettmojo]

Of course really Bloomberg put himself into office so I guess that doesn't apply.

[Furtherman]

Of course really Bloomberg put himself into office so I guess that doesn't apply.

The people of New York City put him in office. They could have voted for Jimmy McMillan.

[Snacks]

Laws against what happens after you drink not while you're drinking. Do you really need a 40oz? No. Let's get rid of that. Do you really need 12 packs? 24? No, get rid of that. Alcohol, a substance that costs society in health costs, costs to our justice system, costs to family's losing their loved ones to drunk driving, shootings, whatever... But no, can't go after them... Wonder why? $$$

Look this way America because this is what they tell you is the big issue... Not what you care about. What? Politicians do something about jobs? Immigration? Taxes? No, but we'll sure do something about your high fructose corn syrup intake!

There are plenty of laws before you drink as well. Bars cant serve if you seem intoxicated, age restrictions, some states have certain days it cant be sold. Every state has a time frame it can be sold. There are location restrictions and licensing all something not needed to eat or drink sugar.

[Snacks]

The people of New York City put him in office. They could have voted for Jimmy McMillan.

He won 3 fucking elections, NYers has plenty of chances to vote someone else.

[TripleSkeet]

This!

Also Healthy food isn't as expensive as people think. Go To Trader Joes buy from fresh local markets. The reason Whole foods gets so expensive is because people eat too much food. When eating healthy not only do you have to eat better foods you also need to lower the amount. Eat better and eat less and you will save money on food, medicine and other health related issues. Soda, snacks, candy etc are luxury items they aren't a necessity. If you want to eat lots of it and get fat fine but you should pay for it like you do other so called bad for you items. If it gets too expensive tough shit its still available to you and you need to decide whats more important food for living or food that makes you sick?

Why is that any of yours or anyone elses business? Obviously eating healthier will make you feel and look better. And if you eat less it will cost you less money. But I still dont see how the government has any business deciding we HAVE to eat healthy.

Whats more important isnt the point. Maybe I would rather eat whatever I want and be dead at 70 then have to eat food that tastes like shit but is good for me and live to be 90. If I want a cheeseburger and fries I shouldnt have to pay a shitload more in taxes than if I was eating kelp on fucking pita bread. Food is food. Government shouldnt tax more for one kind then another just because its less healthy. Sorry, thats just bullshit.

[TripleSkeet]

Whenever an large gap of inequality, whether it be sick to healthy, rich to poor or men to woman's rights, closes to a more equal balance, society benefits overall. A healthier society has more people contributing, working and in better mental and physical heath.

And that should be forced onto citizens of what is supposed to be a free country?

[TripleSkeet]

Thats the thing all they are doing is changing some laws on fatty sugary foods. People complain just to complain. No one says you cant eat or drink any of this and they aren't making it illegal. I hated the idea of seat belts and hate wearing them. Now I wear one every time I drive because my car wouldn't stop beeping til I put it on and now its no big deal and I got used to it. The difference is I cant drive without a seat-belt because it will be annoying b/c of the beeping or if I get caught I get a $100 or $250 ticket. This law as of now wont even raise the tax or price all it will do is force you to buy smaller sizes.

I still hate the idea of being forced to wear a seat belt. I think it should be my choice. And considering my car uis old enough not to have one of those beeping systems I still dont wear one. Another ridiculous law that infringes on our rights. If I dont want to wear a seat belt I shouldnt have to. When Im in my wifes car I just buckle it before I sit down to avoid that shit.

Is it so hard for people to understand that some of us would rather just live life the way we want, and in a way that we find comfortable, rather than the safest way possible?

[Furtherman]

And that should be forced onto citizens of what is supposed to be a free country?

We're already forced to adhere to many rules. What do you mean I can't dump my trash in the Hudson? Any soverign nation that has to compete on this planet for resources will do whatever it takes, foreign and domestically, to level that field. It's a far reach from a 16+ ounce cup banning in one city to the American Nation as a working entity, but it's a small notion that is good for the people. This is nothing new in the history of civilization. Our taxes fund wars and kill innocent lives, but the country keeps moving. It's a necessary evil.

You can still live however you want, and still one thousand percent better than the rest of the world. Plus, in Philly, you can still have that big gulp.





For now.... Dun...Dun.... Duuuuuuunnnnnnnn.....

[Furtherman]

I still hate the idea of being forced to wear a seat belt.


Then don't.


Safe driving.

[underdog]

Laws against what happens after you drink not while you're drinking. Do you really need a 40oz? No. Let's get rid of that. Do you really need 12 packs? 24? No, get rid of that. Alcohol, a substance that costs society in health costs, costs to our justice system, costs to family's losing their loved ones to drunk driving, shootings, whatever... But no, can't go after them... Wonder why? $$$

Look this way America because this is what they tell you is the big issue... Not what you care about. What? Politicians do something about jobs? Immigration? Taxes? No, but we'll sure do something about your high fructose corn syrup intake!

They tried to go after alcohol before. It didn't work well.

They also ban certain types of alcohol. You can't buy real 4Loko anymore. And have passed laws that don't particularly make much sense (.08, really?).

[underdog]

I still hate the idea of being forced to wear a seat belt. I think it should be my choice. And considering my car uis old enough not to have one of those beeping systems I still dont wear one. Another ridiculous law that infringes on our rights. If I dont want to wear a seat belt I shouldnt have to. When Im in my wifes car I just buckle it before I sit down to avoid that shit.

Is it so hard for people to understand that some of us would rather just live life the way we want, and in a way that we find comfortable, rather than the safest way possible?

YOU NOT WEARING A SEATBELT AND GETTING INTO AN ACCIDENT EFFECTS EVERYONE ELSE.

I know you don't want to face this, but you being stupid effects EVERYONE else. It's why there are certain laws on the books.

[Pitdoc]

I still hate the idea of being forced to wear a seat belt. I think it should be my choice. And considering my car uis old enough not to have one of those beeping systems I still dont wear one. Another ridiculous law that infringes on our rights. If I dont want to wear a seat belt I shouldnt have to. When Im in my wifes car I just buckle it before I sit down to avoid that shit.

Is it so hard for people to understand that some of us would rather just live life the way we want, and in a way that we find comfortable, rather than the safest way possible?

Y'know, you think differently about that law after you pull a dead 16 year old girls face out of a broken windshield

[TripleSkeet]

Y'know, you think differently about that law after you pull a dead 16 year old girls face out of a broken windshield

Actually I wont. Its her decision to wear it or not. I dont agree with FORCING people to wear them.

[TripleSkeet]

YOU NOT WEARING A SEATBELT AND GETTING INTO AN ACCIDENT EFFECTS EVERYONE ELSE.

I know you don't want to face this, but you being stupid effects EVERYONE else. It's why there are certain laws on the books.

No, it doesnt. It effects me. And maybe my family. Thats it. It doesnt effect you or anyone else, therefore you should have no say as to whether I should HAVE to wear one, or not.

[TripleSkeet]

We're already forced to adhere to many rules. What do you mean I can't dump my trash in the Hudson? Any soverign nation that has to compete on this planet for resources will do whatever it takes, foreign and domestically, to level that field. It's a far reach from a 16+ ounce cup banning in one city to the American Nation as a working entity, but it's a small notion that is good for the people. This is nothing new in the history of civilization. Our taxes fund wars and kill innocent lives, but the country keeps moving. It's a necessary evil.

You can still live however you want, and still one thousand percent better than the rest of the world. Plus, in Philly, you can still have that big gulp.


You cant dump your trash in the Hudson because doing so could cause health problems for OTHERS. Isnt that the whole argument about being able to smoke inside? It can hurt others? The way I eat doesnt hurt you, therefore it should be left up to me.

[Furtherman]

The way I eat doesnt hurt you, therefore it should be left up to me.

Have you missed the whole obesity angle for this experiment? That it can help lower medical costs when you don't have hospitals clogged up with diabetics? And in 20 years the majority of Americans will be obese? One in seven children will have type 2 by the time they're teenagers? Isn't a little help worth reversing such a problem in the right direction?

[underdog]

No, it doesnt. It effects me. And maybe my family. Thats it. It doesnt effect you or anyone else, therefore you should have no say as to whether I should HAVE to wear one, or not.

If I get into an accident with you and you're not wearing your seatbelt, that effects me for the rest of my life. And anyone else responding to that scene. Or anyone standing around while it happens.

Your stupidity shouldn't effect me.

[underdog]

If I get into an accident with you and you're not wearing your seatbelt, that effects me for the rest of my life. And anyone else responding to that scene. Or anyone standing around while it happens.

Your stupidity shouldn't effect me.

And this is all disregarding the obvious monetary issues of your stupidity, which you like to act like don't actually exist.

[underdog]

Have you missed the whole obesity angle for this experiment? That it can help lower medical costs when you don't have hospitals clogged up with diabetics? And in 20 years the majority of Americans will be obese? One in seven children will have type 2 by the time they're teenagers? Isn't a little help worth reversing such a problem in the right direction?

Those medical costs don't exist in his reality. He's Black and White Man.

[Crispy123]

Doesn't everyone know that? Still, there are lots of things people do that are bad for them. I don't see how this isn't a ridiculous rule.

People can still drink whatever amount of soda they please.

Corporations are NOT people. After all the trials of big tobacco marketing their poison I find it surprising that anyone would want to defend a corporations right to maximize profit at the KNOWN expense of the health of this countries citizens. It kinda seems anti-American to me.

[TripleSkeet]

If I get into an accident with you and you're not wearing your seatbelt, that effects me for the rest of my life. And anyone else responding to that scene. Or anyone standing around while it happens.

Your stupidity shouldn't effect me.

It doesnt effect you. Again, youre trying to act like not wearing seat belts makes your health insurance or car insurance or whatever insurance go up, and Im saying thats bullshit. That may be what they tell you, but I believe they would raise your fucking rates anyway because thats what insurance companies do. If I want to risk my life while driving, its not your fucking business. You wear your belt and youll be fine.

[TripleSkeet]

Man Ill bet this would be a dream world scenario for Further and underdog...

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[underdog]

It doesnt effect you. Again, youre trying to act like not wearing seat belts makes your health insurance or car insurance or whatever insurance go up, and Im saying thats bullshit. That may be what they tell you, but I believe they would raise your fucking rates anyway because thats what insurance companies do. If I want to risk my life while driving, its not your fucking business. You wear your belt and youll be fine.

If you want to ignore reality, that's fine.

[underdog]

Man Ill bet this would be a dream world scenario for Further and underdog...

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I never said I was for the soda ban. I think it's kind of retarded, actually.

[TripleSkeet]

If you want to ignore reality, that's fine.

Im not ignioring reality. I see how insurance companies work. They find any reason they can to raise your rates. They charge you for all kinds of ridiculous reasons (No college degree for car insurance???)

Then, when it comes time to make a claim, they try to find any reason they can not to fucking pay, thenn after they do, they raise your rates to a point where it costs even more then they had to pay out.

Yet all those years you pay without a claim, you never get a dime back. The mob used to do something similar, it was called EXTORTION.

[TripleSkeet]

I never said I was for the soda ban. I think it's kind of retarded, actually.

Then what are we arguing about? Seat belts? Insurance? Im lost.

[underdog]

Im not ignioring reality. I see how insurance companies work. They find any reason they can to raise your rates. They charge you for all kinds of ridiculous reasons (No college degree for car insurance???)

Then, when it comes time to make a claim, they try to find any reason they can not to fucking pay, thenn after they do, they raise your rates to a point where it costs even more then they had to pay out.

Yet all those years you pay without a claim, you never get a dime back. The mob used to do something similar, it was called EXTORTION.

Oh, I don't disagree that we'd get nothing back. But claims are definitely a reason overall rates raise.

[underdog]

Then what are we arguing about? Seat belts? Insurance? Im lost.

I was just trying to explain to you that your simplistic view on seatbelt laws is wrong. It doesn't just effect you. That's why there's a law (well, that's a large part of why there's a law).

[TripleSkeet]

I was just trying to explain to you that your simplistic view on seatbelt laws is wrong. It doesn't just effect you. That's why there's a law (well, that's a large part of why there's a law).

I believe there is a law because politicians, fueled by money from insurance companies, made it a law. They claim its for concern for public safety and to lower our insurance premiums, but the real reason is so that insurance companies dont have to pay out as much because of deaths from accidents. And its a nice way to boost state income from tickets as in NJ its a favorite of the cops to pull you over and say "Im gonna give you a break, and just give you a seat belt ticket." Something I never fought until I found out it affected my life insurance.

I just honestly believe that insurance rates would be exactly the same with or without the law. And I believe that because once the laws were passed, you would think we would see a drop in fatalities, lower payouts, and lowered rates. Yet I dont know of one person whos car insurance went down from it.

[StanUpshaw]

Married people live longer. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4779267.stm) Should the government arrange marriages?

Religious people live longer. (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/05/990517064323.htm) Should the government enforce church attendance?


If using the coercive force of government is justified in banning the sale of 17 oz. beverages, then surely mandating practices that add decades to your life is well within the role of government.

[Snacks]

Why is that any of yours or anyone elses business? Obviously eating healthier will make you feel and look better. And if you eat less it will cost you less money. But I still dont see how the government has any business deciding we HAVE to eat healthy.

Whats more important isnt the point. Maybe I would rather eat whatever I want and be dead at 70 then have to eat food that tastes like shit but is good for me and live to be 90. If I want a cheeseburger and fries I shouldnt have to pay a shitload more in taxes than if I was eating kelp on fucking pita bread. Food is food. Government shouldnt tax more for one kind then another just because its less healthy. Sorry, thats just bullshit.

But no one is deciding anything for you. You can still eat all you want and anything you want all the govt is doing is creating smaller portions to help keep people from getting too fat. I dont see why that bothers you? If you want to drink a gallon of soda no one said you cant. Its not like that are taking something that is legal and making it illegal if that was the case I would be against this. But thats not the case.

[StanUpshaw]

But no one is deciding anything for you. You can still eat all you want and anything you want all the govt is doing is creating smaller portions to help keep people from getting too fat. I dont see why that bothers you? If you want to drink a gallon of soda no one said you cant. Its not like that are taking something that is legal and making it illegal if that was the case I would be against this. But thats not the case.

I own a movie theater. The government is deciding what I can and cannot sell.

And you're blind if you don't see the camel's nose under the tent. A decade ago, this would have been unfathomable. But little by little, freedoms are eroded and government power increases. It's not fighting THIS ONE policy, it's a fight against the notion that the individual is not fit to make his own choices. You're looking at issues. You need to look at PRINCIPLES, and apply them CONSISTENTLY.

[Snacks]

I own a movie theater. The government is deciding what I can and cannot sell.

They are? What did the govt say you couldn't sell?

[TripleSkeet]

But no one is deciding anything for you. You can still eat all you want and anything you want all the govt is doing is creating smaller portions to help keep people from getting too fat. I dont see why that bothers you? If you want to drink a gallon of soda no one said you cant. Its not like that are taking something that is legal and making it illegal if that was the case I would be against this. But thats not the case.

Personally I dont really care about the portion size ban. Because like many said, if I wanted, I would just buy 2. But I dont live in NY anyway.

I just dont like where it leads. Its like the smoking ban. It started in reasonable places and went to every indoor building. Private business owners had no say as to what customers could do in their establishments. Then it started moving to outside areas. Places where there was no evidence of 2nd hand smoke doing any damage to anyone. Beaches, parks, etc. I just got into an argument with someone on Facebook because they wrote "Just saw someone smoking in front of a school field trip. What are they thinking?" Followed by a ton of comments criticizing a person for smoking outside. Calling them a bad role model etc.

When you tell the government its ok to limit what we as people can have, they will eventually go overboard. They take and take and take until its too late to stop them. And nobody cares until it effects something they enjoy.

[StanUpshaw]

They are? What did the govt say you couldn't sell?

17 oz. drinks, if Bloomberg gets his way.

They will initiate violence against me if I try to sell 17 oz. drinks.

[TripleSkeet]

Oh, and since when did New York become the fucking California of the east coast? This is the kind of pussy law that northeast people used to make fun of west coasters for. Ever since Bloomberg took over its like they are trying to be the new Cali and set the trends for passing gay laws for our own safety. Is because the city needs money and hes trying to make up new ways to collect? Or is he really trying to save people from themself? Either way hes a piece of shit.

[PapaBear]

17 oz. drinks, if Bloomberg gets his way.

They will initiate violence against me if I try to sell 17 oz. drinks.
I think the proposed bans are bullshit. But how do you (as a fictional theater owner) think it would mean the government would be inflicting violence against you? Does the proposed ban call for stoning, or something?

[StanUpshaw]

Either way hes a piece of shit.

Careful now.

[Snacks]

17 oz. drinks, if Bloomberg gets his way.

They will initiate violence against me if I try to sell 17 oz. drinks.

Can you still sell soda? If so they aren't stopping you from selling anything. If someone wants more soda they buy another or get a refill.

[StanUpshaw]

I think the proposed bans are bullshit. But how do you (as a fictional theater owner) think it would mean the government would be inflicting violence against you? Does the proposed ban call for stoning, or something?

Any government action is force. People need to wake up to this fundamental fact.

Surely an infraction would be a fine. But what does that fine mean, per se? It means pay us this sum of money OR ELSE.

[TripleSkeet]

Careful now.

Is he a poster here now? Wow. .net is moving on up!

[StanUpshaw]

Can you still sell soda? If so they aren't stopping you from selling anything. If someone wants more soda they buy another or get a refill.

I want to provide my customer with the best service possible. My customer doesn't want to buy two sodas. I have a hard enough time maintaining an audience. Now someone is going to have to get out of their seat, trudge down to the concession stand, and miss ten minutes of the movie just so he can have a tasty beverage?

They're not going to put up with that shit. It's just more incentive to stay home and watch bootlegs.

[PapaBear]

Any government action is force. People need to wake up to this fundamental fact.

Surely an infraction would be a fine. But what does that fine mean, per se? It means pay us this sum of money OR ELSE.
How does that relate to violence? Fines are violence? I don't want anyone to get fined for selling soda. I didn't like it when I got fined for a questionable rolling stop at a stop sign. But I'm pretty sure the fine didn't feel much like a physical assault.

[StanUpshaw]

How does that relate to violence? Fines are violence? I don't want anyone to get fined for selling soda. I didn't like it when I got fined for a questionable rolling stop at a stop sign. But I'm pretty sure the fine didn't feel much like a physical assault.

A fine is nothing more than a threat. What happens if you ignore the fine? Eventually you'll get a warrant issued. What happens if you try to defend yourself from being kidnapped?

There's no question that government's defining characteristic is violence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ewQl-qAtNwQ#t=24s). I'm willing to accept that there is justification for that violence when it comes to "justice," but I utterly and completely reject the idea that it is ever okay for the government to INITIATE the use of force.

[PapaBear]

A fine is nothing more than a threat. What happens if you ignore the fine? Eventually you'll get a warrant issued. What happens if you try to defend yourself from being kidnapped?

There's no question that government's defining characteristic is violence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ewQl-qAtNwQ#t=24s). I'm willing to accept that there is justification for that violence when it comes to "justice," but I utterly and completely reject the idea that it is ever okay for the government to INITIATE the use of force.
As much as I don't like you, I occasionally agree with a few things you say. However... You seem to be completely incapable of making a coherent argument about anything lately. You may want to take step back and breathe, or something.

[StanUpshaw]

You mind telling me what I'm wrong about?

[StanUpshaw]

Well?

[PapaBear]

You mind telling me what I'm wrong about?
A 30 second Youtube sound clip, that is supposed to explain how fines lead to people getting physically abused by the Government, is not a coherent argument against a soda size ban. Stick with the "slippery slope" concept of smoking bans. That's the route I'd take.

[PapaBear]

Well?
Don't get pushy. I have things I have to do. I can't always answer you questions promptly.

[StanUpshaw]

A 30 second Youtube sound clip, that is supposed to explain how fines lead to people getting physically abused by the Government, is not a coherent argument against a soda size ban. Stick with the "slippery slope" concept of smoking bans. That's the route I'd take.

You know I posted more than a Youtube clip. How about instead of just ignoring what I typed, you actually explain where I'm mistaken?

[PapaBear]

You know I posted more than a Youtube clip. How about instead of just ignoring what I typed, you actually explain where I'm mistaken?
I read everything you said tonight. I didn't see anything that supports the idea of "fines = violence". If you really want to support that claim, then you may want to do a better job at explaining that stance. I don't care if you do, or not.

As I previously said, I have occasionally found good points with your opinions on some subjects. I'm not seeing that today.

[StanUpshaw]

I read everything you said tonight. I didn't see anything that supports the idea of "fines = violence". If you really want to support that claim, then you may want to do a better job at explaining that stance. I don't care if you do, or not.

As I previously said, I have occasionally found good points with your opinions on some subjects. I'm not seeing that today.

I wrote a very concise argument that you, once again, chose to ignore. It's true, and it will remain true until you can refute it. The fact that you're refusing to address it leads me to believe you're suffering some cognitive dissonance; and you find it easier to dismiss me as hysterical, rather than explore some challenging concepts.


You may want to take a step up and think, or something.

[PapaBear]

I wrote a very concise argument that you, once again, chose to ignore. It's true, and it will remain true until you can refute it. The fact that you're refusing to address it leads me to believe you're suffering some cognitive dissonance; and you find it easier to dismiss me as hysterical, rather than explore some challenging concepts.


You may want to take step up and think.
You keep saying you've made your argument. I've told you I haven't seen it. You've been here long enough to learn how to link shit. I'm not going to go back and look for the wisdom of Stan. If you really want me to see it, then show me. Otherwise, I don't give a fuck. I was just trying to give you some undeserved advice.

[Bob Impact]

Correct me if I'm wrong Stan but I believe the argument goes something like this:

Since the government is the only group we entrust with the courts, police and military they now have an exclusive right to legally use force against the population. Because of this, the, the underpinning of everything the government mandates is "or I'll use force against you" Specifically WHAT that force is can change, but it remains force regardless.

[Jujubees2]

First it was hard lemonade, then 20 oz. sodas. Now it's an ultra-Orthodox circumcision ritual!

Damn you Bloomberg!

New York City Health Department 'strongly urges' against ultra-Orthodox circumcision ritual (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/york-city-health-department-strongly-urges-ultra-orthodox-circumcision-ritual-article-1.1091492#ixzz1x7v2ryLH)

[A.J.]

First it was hard lemonade, then 20 oz. sodas. Now it's an ultra-Orthodox circumcision ritual!

Damn you Bloomberg!

New York City Health Department 'strongly urges' against ultra-Orthodox circumcision ritual (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/york-city-health-department-strongly-urges-ultra-orthodox-circumcision-ritual-article-1.1091492#ixzz1x7v2ryLH)

The city Health Department on Wednesday “strongly” urged against an ultra-Orthodox Jewish circumcision ritual that uses oral-genital suction to remove the blood.


NAMBLA will probably support these Jews.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In CA its still too close to call on the $1 per pack tax on cigs.

[Jujubees2]

The city Health Department on Wednesday “strongly” urged against an ultra-Orthodox Jewish circumcision ritual that uses oral-genital suction to remove the blood.

NAMBLA will probably support these Jews.

So I guess it's not true what they say about all Jews, just Jewish women....

[StanUpshaw]

Mutilating babies is criminal.


I don't know why this is a thing I have to type in the year 2012.

[A.J.]

Mutilating babies is criminal.


I don't know why this is a thing I have to type in the year 2012.

Because God said it was OK.

[Zorro]

Mutilating babies is criminal.


I don't know why this is a thing I have to type in the year 2012.

It's not the mutilating part they want to stop, just the baby oral

[Jujubees2]

And now on to juices and popcorn!

City health experts are weighing whether to extend the potential big-soda ban to other fattening snacks such as juices and popcorn (http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/city-health-experts-weighing-extend-potential-big-soda-ban-fattening-snacks-article-1.1094600#ixzz1xgCKX2H9)

[A.J.]

And now on to juices and popcorn!

City health experts are weighing whether to extend the potential big-soda ban to other fattening snacks such as juices and popcorn (http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/city-health-experts-weighing-extend-potential-big-soda-ban-fattening-snacks-article-1.1094600#ixzz1xgCKX2H9)

I love it.

[Misteriosa]

It's not the mutilating part they want to stop, just the baby oral

wow. i cant even :surrender:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cant come up with stupid laws in a hot SUV


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/hizzoner_cold_feat_lYxDIMuat7x4PL7nUbdBEM#ixzz1yzT ED1HK

[Furtherman]

Cant come up with stupid laws in a hot SUV


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/hizzoner_cold_feat_lYxDIMuat7x4PL7nUbdBEM#ixzz1yzT ED1HK

I had to read that story twice just to make sure I understood the absurdity.

[StanUpshaw]

So running an air conditioner from the grid is greener than running it from your car's alternator. I can buy that.

However...I'm extraordinarily skeptical that the industrial processes that go into manufacturing the air conditioner itself (digging ore, refining steel & copper, running factories, transportation at every step) don't FAR outweigh any direct energy savings.

What a fuckface.

[Syd]

At least you can recycle almost the entire AC unit, but, I doubt Bloomberg will ever keep that SUV long enough for the savings in gas to offset the cost of what S-U just pointed out.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

NYC Bd of health approves ban on sugary drinks larger than 16 ounces.


At least Bloomy is being honest when he uses the term portion control The key word is, as usual, control.

[JimBeam]

I haven't read the whole thing but it's my understanding that it's going to impact restaurants and movie theaters but not convenience stores ?

How that hell does that make sense ?

Either it's unhealthy or it's not.

I'm also surprised I haven't hear any lawsuits/injunctions yet.

No way the law stands.

[underdog]

No way the law stands.

:lol:

[JimBeam]

How is a 32OZ soda any more helthy at a 7-11 than a Taco Bell ?

The ban just doesn't make sense and isn't applied equitably so on it's face it's contradictory.

What's even more silly is it's going to be challenged by the beverage companies as well as all of the businesses impacted by it so it's going to cost NYC money just to try and defend something its own citizens don't want.

[Snoogans]

the best part is, they only limited the size of the soda. Not the number of sodas. So you could go in and buy 4 16 ounce sodas if you want

[jennysmurf]

How is a 32OZ soda any more helthy at a 7-11 than a Taco Bell ?

The ban just doesn't make sense and isn't applied equitably so on it's face it's contradictory.

What's even more silly is it's going to be challenged by the beverage companies as well as all of the businesses impacted by it so it's going to cost NYC money just to try and defend something its own citizens don't want.

I agree. If it's not across the board, it's worthless.

[Jujubees2]

Bloomberg should have done to soda what he did to cigarettes. Tax the hell out of it.

(I'll hang up now and wait for WF's reply)

[JimBeam]

There's a town in California that's trying to impose a tax of 1 cent on every ounce over 16 I think.

But that will only hurt the consumer because the businesses will pass any negative impact to them.

So you may pay $2.00 for a 32OZ now but since sales of those will be limited that price will be moved to the 16OZ which are only $1 now.

I'm sure you're not suggesting it but there's nothing similar between cigarettes and soda.

[A.J.]

I'm sure you're not suggesting it but there's nothing similar between cigarettes and soda.

Sure there is: I quit both!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bloomberg should have done to soda what he did to cigarettes. Tax the hell out of it.

(I'll hang up now and wait for WF's reply)

Why stop there? How about fast food. 1 cent per each ounce of hamburger (pre cooked of course)

An extra penny per ounce of alcohol. How about put a surcharge per ATM fee because afterall you might spend it on soda or anything else these useless politicians think what constitutes a sin tax.

[JimBeam]

Yeah I don't understand why the attack on soda and not alcohol.

I'm sure alcohol causes just as many health risks AND adds other human nature issues.

I'm not saying I want that addressed either but does seem like a big target.

I guess the man with the Napoleonic complex didn't wan't to fight that fight.

[underdog]

Yeah I don't understand why the attack on soda and not alcohol.

I'm sure alcohol causes just as many health risks AND adds other human nature issues.

I'm not saying I want that addressed either but does seem like a big target.

I guess the man with the Napoleonic complex didn't wan't to fight that fight.

They've actually been discussing ending Happy Hours in NYC.

[JimBeam]

Meaning HH specials ?

Hadn't they tried that years back ?

Saying you couldn't do Ladies Night and the like.

[Jujubees2]

They've actually been discussing ending Happy Hours in NYC.

As long as they don't try to ban Happy Endings

[pennington]

I think politicians who don't honor term-limits should be taxed 100% of their assets.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think politicians who don't honor term-limits should be taxed 100% of their assets.

That goes also for people who voted for his 3rd term

[NickyL0885]

the best part is, they only limited the size of the soda. Not the number of sodas. So you could go in and buy 4 16 ounce sodas if you want

Or, restaurants give free refills. Take that, Mayor!

[hanso]

Most drinks are sugary, which ones would be ok outside of water?

[PapaBear]

Most drinks are sugary, which ones would be ok outside of water?
Diet drinks and unsweetened tea.

[sailor]

Diet drinks and unsweetened tea.

As shitty as the law is, I'm pretty sure it clearly delineates what's verboten and what's kosher.

[JimBeam]

I saw a report that said orange juice was far worse, either in sugar and calories or possibly just one, than any regular soda.

Yet no attack on that.

[underdog]

I saw a report that said orange juice was far worse, either in sugar and calories or possibly just one, than any regular soda.

Yet no attack on that.

I think there are health benefits to drinking OJ. And people don't normally consume OJ the way they do soda.

[Jujubees2]

I think there are health benefits to drinking OJ. And people don't normally consume OJ the way they do soda.

Yeah, most real fruit juices (not those watery juice drinks) contain some vitamins

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No to big sodas in certain establishments but yes to free morning after to adolescents without parents permission.

[brettmojo]

No to big sodas in certain establishments but yes to free morning after to adolescents without parents permission.

Well that's just common sense.

[keithy_19]

Well that's just common sense.

Kind of makes sense. Have you ever tried to roofie a soda pop?

[brettmojo]

Kind of makes sense. Have you ever tried to roofie a soda pop?

Are you a cop?

[Dan 'Hampton]

Shut the fuck up New Yorkers. We're all sick of hearing you bitch about soda.

[brettmojo]

Shut the fuck up New Yorkers. We're all sick of hearing you bitch about soda.

We don't have the Sox and the Pats to take up all our bitching.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Shut the fuck up New Yorkers. We're all sick of hearing you bitch about soda.

They take issue to what you said.


http://todayhealth.today.com/_news/2013/01/23/16661800-nycs-big-soda-ban-unfair-to-minorities-lawsuit-says?lite

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bloombergs newest Jihad


Styrofoam

[sailor]

Bloombergs newest Jihad


Styrofoam

It should really be universally banned.

[A.J.]

Bloombergs newest Jihad


Styrofoam

Is this 1979?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Disagree , let people vote with their wallets. If they choose to go to stores that don't use them it's their right

More nanny state social engineering

[sailor]

Disagree. If its cheaper, people will pick it not matter how it fucks the rest of the world. This is exactly where you need laws.

[hanso]

Disagree. If its cheaper, people will pick it not matter how it fucks the rest of the world. This is exactly where you need laws.

Can't expect narrow minded people to see the big picture


And I also go for what's cheap w/o thinking of stuff like this.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Can't expect narrow minded people to see other factors like for example, businesses having contracts with these distributors who make those containers . Damn the free market.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Disagree. If its cheaper, people will pick it not matter how it fucks the rest of the world. This is exactly where you need laws.



The crap that people put into those containers fucks up the world but Mac and cheese and fried plantains aren't banned. Yet

[hanso]

The crap that people put into those containers fucks up the world but Mac and cheese and fried plantains aren't banned. Yet

You should start that as a food joint

[sailor]

The crap that people put into those containers fucks up the world but Mac and cheese and fried plantains aren't banned. Yet

So you want those banned or no? I assume no, but how is that an argument for not banning styrofoam? Makes it sound like you want those banned instead.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So you want those banned or no? I assume no, but how is that an argument for not banning styrofoam? Makes it sound like you want those banned instead.

Of course don't ban them.


It's the slippery slope wishlist Bloomberg has his eyes on like Smoking, Transfats, Big Sodas.

So what would be next? No more plastic bags? Maybe paper bags eventually?


NYC has tonsof those deli's with those hot buffets. Bloomberg might mandate that at least 50% must have salad/vegetables. Styrofoam containers probably cost a few cents each, The biodegradable ones are probably a bit more especially the ones made from corn extracts. The deli isn't going to eat that, it will be passed down to the consumer and then people will complain about the prices being raised on their lunch

[hanso]

Of course don't ban them.


It's the slippery slope wishlist Bloomberg has his eyes on like Smoking, Transfats, Big Sodas.

So what would be next? No more plastic bags? Maybe paper bags eventually?


NYC has tonsof those deli's with those hot buffets. Bloomberg might mandate that at least 50% must have salad/vegetables. Styrofoam containers probably cost a few cents each, The biodegradable ones are probably a bit more especially the ones made from corn extracts. The deli isn't going to eat that, it will be passed down to the consumer and then people will complain about the prices being raised on their lunch

If its made of corn it could be a corn subsidy program we export the most in the world. Someting like 40% of all our own food has it

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If its made of corn it could be a corn subsidy program we export the most in the world. Someting like 40% of all our own food has it

Crony capitalism.

[sailor]

Of course don't ban them.


It's the slippery slope wishlist Bloomberg has his eyes on like Smoking, Transfats, Big Sodas.

So what would be next? No more plastic bags? Maybe paper bags eventually?


NYC has tonsof those deli's with those hot buffets. Bloomberg might mandate that at least 50% must have salad/vegetables. Styrofoam containers probably cost a few cents each, The biodegradable ones are probably a bit more especially the ones made from corn extracts. The deli isn't going to eat that, it will be passed down to the consumer and then people will complain about the prices being raised on their lunch

That's their right to complain. And, some will eat the cost and some will pass it on. People can make informed decisions based on their own needs/desires. And again, no, they will not make informed decisions that put the planet ahead of their own wallet, before you say that last line is inconsistent with my prior post.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's their right to complain. And, some will eat the cost and some will pass it on. People can make informed decisions based on their own needs/desires. And again, no, they will not make informed decisions that put the planet ahead of their own wallet, before you say that last line is inconsistent with my prior post.

What good business would eat the cost? Sure people would complain about it for a couple of days but they still want their fix of fried fatty foods.

People can make their own minds by doing their business with stores who use biodegradable products.


If anything stores should take it upon themselves to switch over. If some do that and they increase their sales then others will follow. A universal blanket law isn't the way to go

[sailor]

What good business would eat the cost? Sure people would complain about it for a couple of days but they still want their fix of fried fatty foods.

People can make their own minds by doing their business with stores who use biodegradable products.


If anything stores should take it upon themselves to switch over. If some do that and they increase their sales then others will follow. A universal blanket law isn't the way to go

Why would they not pass along the costs? For the same reason you said they should do it on their own. Increased volume.

[A.J.]

I remember this issue when I was a kid when McDonald's got rid of these old styrofoam containers because they weren't biodegradable:

http://alisongarwoodjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Big-Mac-Styrofoam.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7IcDtaK0adU/S1NXcp8J3XI/AAAAAAAAAps/O8Nn4xnys-Y/s320/mcdonalds.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4070/4715282412_c2ac41251b_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7279/7001197921_2821774d7f_z.jpg

I thought the current types are. So why is this an issue today?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why would they not pass along the costs? For the same reason you said they should do it on their own. Increased volume.

Not all consumers are the same.


Some might be more conscious about the environment, some as not.


Stop and Shop (The Supermarket I go to mostly) has those Eco friendly bags and plastic bags. On the checkout line I see a lot more people still opting for the plastic ones.

[sailor]

I remember this issue when I was a kid when McDonald's got rid of these old styrofoam containers because they weren't biodegradable:

http://alisongarwoodjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Big-Mac-Styrofoam.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7IcDtaK0adU/S1NXcp8J3XI/AAAAAAAAAps/O8Nn4xnys-Y/s320/mcdonalds.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4070/4715282412_c2ac41251b_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7279/7001197921_2821774d7f_z.jpg

I thought the current types are. So why is this an issue today?

McDonald's switched to cardboard boxes, or waxed paper wrappers, but you know they're just one company, right?

But I have no idea whether current styrofoam is biodegradable or not.

[A.J.]

I thought it was the result of a broader, government mandate which impacted all companies.

[sailor]

I thought it was the result of a broader, government mandate which impacted all companies.

I thought it was just a public backlash, but I'm really just guessing.

[A.J.]

Yeah, I don't exactly remember either.

[sailor]

Yeah, I don't exactly remember either.

At least I wasn't in college at the time. What's your excuse? :)

[sailor]

Apparently, McDonald's was asked by ny state to get rid of the styrofoam and they complied voluntarily. BUT they only started phasing out styrofoam cups last year.

[PapaBear]

I think they still use Styrofoam for their Big Breakfast. Oh, and the nixing of Styrofoam was possibly what lead to the demise of the McDLT. That, or no one wanted cold cheese on their burger.

[sailor]

I think they still use Styrofoam for their Big Breakfast. Oh, and the nixing of Styrofoam was possibly what lead to the demise of the McDLT. That, or no one wanted cold cheese on their burger.

Yeah, that was the one thing I thought of when aj brought this up. I loved those.

[PapaBear]

Yeah, that was the one thing I thought of when aj brought this up. I loved those.
Cold cheese eater!!! The most confusing burger for me was the McLean. I thought it was a Scottish burger, at first.

[sailor]

Cold cheese eater!!! The most confusing burger for me was the McLean. I thought it was a Scottish burger, at first.

ever try cold cheese pizza?