Attacks in Oslo Norway

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No claim yet, however theres speculation it could be revenge from Khadafy

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/norways-capital-shaken-by-bomb-blast/2011/07/22/gIQABA6dTI_story.html

From the article

"Earlier this month, Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi threatened Europe with suicide bombings as revenge for the NATO campaign."

[spoon]

Don't worry, we have barry white on the case!

[JimBeam]

" Norwegian media cited witnesses who said that the shooter on the island was blond ... "

Blond doesn't sound like a Middle Eastern terrorist though.

[realmenhatelife]

They arrested a guy, so once that name comes out we'll see. I really thing the whole live blogging for news networks is really a horrifically bad idea. They're throwing up quotes from people in total duress, it isn't at all responsible.

[Syd]

Aryan guy caught, posted on islamophobic sites. Licensed to carry guns. Going to be difficult to pin this on big government/islam/terrorism

[KnoxHarrington]

Yeah, I have a feeling this is going to be another of those cases where people want to find a political reason for this but it's just some crazy ass douchebag who just wanted to kill people.

[PapaBear]

Death toll stands at 80, and is expected to rise as they search the water where the kids tried to swim for safety. Mostly teenagers.

[spoon]

so sad and senseless

[Tenbatsuzen]

Death toll stands at 80, and is expected to rise as they search the water where the kids tried to swim for safety. Mostly teenagers.

I'm still trying to figure out how a single shooter killed 80+ people. How long was he on that island and how heavily was he armed? I know the VT Shooter killed 30 plus, but most of that was in enclosed spaces at very close range.

Surely, this has to be the biggest death toll by one man's hand via gun that has been confirmed, right?

[Tenbatsuzen]

so sad and senseless

Some people are just born wired wrong.

[spoon]

I'm still trying to figure out how a single shooter killed 80+ people. How long was he on that island and how heavily was he armed? I know the VT Shooter killed 30 plus, but most of that was in enclosed spaces at very close range.

Surely, this has to be the biggest death toll by one man's hand via gun that has been confirmed, right?

Did I hear correctly that the guy dressed up as a cop?

[PapaBear]

Yes. He was dressed as a cop. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259356)

The gunman is reported to have been armed with a handgun, an automatic weapon and a shotgun.

He travelled on the ferry boat from the mainland over to that little inland island posing as a police officer, saying he was there to do research in connection with the bomb blasts," NRK journalist Ole Torp told the BBC. "He asked people to gather round and then he started shooting, so these young people fled into the bushes and woods and some even swam off the island to get to safety."
One 15-year-old eyewitness described how she saw what she thought was a police officer open fire.
"He first shot people on the island. Afterward he started shooting people in the water," youth camp delegate Elise told the Associated Press news agency.

[spoon]

awful

[PapaBear]

What I'm wondering is, did he actually have anything to do with the bombing? It would be very unlikely that he would be able to take advantage of the bombing on the fly like that. And if he was involved, it's very unlikely that he acted alone. I'm glad they have this guy in custody, rather than him being killed in the attack.

[spoon]

What I'm wondering is, did he actually have anything to do with the bombing? It would be very unlikely that he would be able to take advantage of the bombing on the fly like that. And if he was involved, it's very unlikely that he acted alone. I'm glad they have this guy in custody, rather than him being killed in the attack.

had to be

if not, wow that'd be insane

[Tenbatsuzen]

What I'm wondering is, did he actually have anything to do with the bombing? It would be very unlikely that he would be able to take advantage of the bombing on the fly like that. And if he was involved, it's very unlikely that he acted alone. I'm glad they have this guy in custody, rather than him being killed in the attack.

From what they are saying, it was a one-man attack. He did the bombing, then went to the island because of all the chaos in Oslo, and opened fired.

Basically, imagine someone bombing NYC, and then driving to Jones Beach and opening fire down there. Pretty much the same distances.

[Dudeman]

No claim yet, however theres speculation it could be revenge from Khadafy


has this been confirmed yet?

[Syd]

has this been confirmed yet?

No, it's a "deranged madman" even though it's quite clearly an act of domestic terrorism by someone amongst the far right.

[hanso]

Fox News took that route so it must be true.

“to be the work, once again, of Muslim extremists.”..Laura Ingraham Fri. filling in for Billo.



They may as well had said they thought Jackie Mason had something to do with it.

[hanso]

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Look how work is spelled.







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[Tenbatsuzen]

So apparently, from the details I've gleaned, he had 90 minutes on the island before real law enforcement came. And he was stalking people, people who didn't realize he was a fake cop, suckering them in, and killing them. Jesus.

[PapaBear]

Norway suspect deems killings atrocious but needed (http://news.yahoo.com/norway-suspect-deems-killings-atrocious-needed-013354792.html)


Norway's toughest sentence is 21 years in jail.He would be out of prison by the age of 53!

[Dudeman]

No claim yet, however theres speculation it could be revenge from Khadafy

identified him as a right-wing fundamentalist... obsessed with what he saw as the threats of multiculturalism and Muslim immigration.

he had been a member of the right-wing Progress Party, which began as an antitax protest and has been stridently anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim.

indicated contempt for the Conservative Party, which he accused of having given up the battle against multiculturalism.
(http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/world/europe/24oslo.html?hp)

sounds less like Khadafy and more like some anti-immigration, anti-tax right wingers around here... did he call the conservative party members RINOs?

[StanUpshaw]

I'm happy for you that your team won.

[PapaBear]

I'm happy for you that your team won.
I'm trying to wrap my head around why he was asking for confirmation, over 24 hours after it was already all over the news that it was a homegrown attack by a racist. It's like he had no contact with the outside world, aside from reading WF's first post.

[brettmojo]

It's like he had no contact with the outside world, aside from reading WF's first post.
What else do you need? WF is a great source of fair and balanced information.

[spoon]

I'm trying to wrap my head around why he was asking for confirmation, over 24 hours after it was already all over the news that it was a homegrown attack by a racist. It's like he had no contact with the outside world, aside from reading WF's first post.

Pretty sure he was making a point.

[PapaBear]

Pretty sure he was making a point.
I'm never one to defend WF, but BM was quoting from WF's first (and ONLY) post about the subject. When WF posted, he was giving information that was "up to date" at the time. I'm all for discrediting anything that WF posts, but BM did a bad job at it in this case.


BTW... 21 years?! I seriously hope they have the ability to make it 21 years for EACH case of murder, to be served consecutively!

[spoon]

RESPONSE TIME
"The response time from when we got the message was quick. There were problems with transport out to the island," police chief Sveinung Sponheim said, defending the delay.


The guy had 90+ minutes to pick kids off bc the police didn't have any means to get to the fucking island?! I think you can't claim quick when it takes you almost 2 hours to get there, and to add insult to injury (death in this example x 90+), the gunman surrendered as soon as they got there. How many lives could they have saved by being a mere 30 minutes faster? Appoximately 1 person per minuted died, so you do the math. Fucking crab fishers get faster rescues in the middle of the Bering Sea for f's sake.

[spoon]

I'm never one to defend WF, but BM was quoting from WF's first (and ONLY) post about the subject. When WF posted, he was giving information that was "up to date" at the time. I'm all for discrediting anything that WF posts, but BM did a bad job at it in this case.


BTW... 21 years?! I seriously hope they have the ability to make it 21 years for EACH case of murder, to be served consecutively!

I get you, but also understand he was probably just trying to point out how quickly WF jumped on these reports almost in hope it was true. I'm not sure, but seemed that way.

Did you watch that video linked in the story last posted? Man that was pretty fucked up and the ad in twit vid is INFURIATING! Fuck twitter in every f'n way.

[PapaBear]

I get you, but also understand he was probably just trying to point out how quickly WF jumped on these reports almost in hope it was true. I'm not sure, but seemed that way.
I totally get that. But it seemed to me that he was doing the same kind of thing, in a misguided way. And... It just seemed unnecessary in a thread about such a terrible story.

[CaptainBlowhole]

Basically, this guy is like a twisted combo of Timothy McVeigh and Jared Loughner.

[Syd]

The Norwegian criminal system build on the basic idea that punishment is an evil inflicted on the person by society with the intent that it shall be felt as an evil. (This is a reiteration from the fundamental Norwegian criminal law textbook by Andenæs.) This evil is supposed to have two effects. It shall have an (i) individual preventive function in that the perpetrator shall feel the evil and wish to not be exposed for this again. And it shall have an (ii) general preventive function in that it shall deter others. In addition there is a want that there shall be some form of reformation work for the person convicted. Not just the be in jail and feel horrible. It is, furthermore, held that if we cannot achieve this by a 21 years prison sentence we cannot achieve it at all.

all of that is [sic], but, gives you an idea of the 21 year reasoning that won't be reported because Fox will jump all over it to shit on lieberals.

[Dude!]

wow....
the most horrendous
mass murder imaginable
happens in norway
and to hanso and syd
and their ilk
it's all about fox news

unbelievable

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That article was from the WaPo not too long after it happened. As I quoted from the article, no one took any claims and there was speculation.

There were no claims by me that it was a Muslim.

I did not jump to any conclusions like the patron saint of Keynesians Paul Krugman did about the Tucson shooting and blamed it on right wing talk radio

[hanso]

That article was from the WaPo not too long after it happened. As I quoted from the article, no one took any claims and there was speculation.

There were no claims by me that it was a Muslim.

I did not jump to any conclusions like the patron saint of Keynesians Paul Krugman did about the Tucson shooting and blamed it on right wing talk radio

Nope you went with some broad on twitter & Fox news parrotting it over endlessly.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

wow....
the most horrendous
mass murder imaginable
happens in norway
and to hanso and syd
and their ilk
it's all about fox news

unbelievable





Nope you went with some broad on twitter & Fox news parrotting it over endlessly.




Predictable

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speaking of a rush to judgment, Remember bloomturds claim of the failed times sq. bomber?




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[hanso]

What would be unbelievable is if Fox news does just ONE report that this was political as in right wing extremist inspired.


It's the very same hate filled fear mongering crap they spew 24/7. And also similar to the beliefs of the tea party.

[hanso]

http://i.imgur.com/CVmjY.jpg

[Syd]

wow....
the most horrendous
mass murder imaginable
happens in norway
and to hanso and syd
and their ilk
it's all about fox news

unbelievable

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why are you such a communist that you're not worried about them

go back to russia, pinko

[Dude!]

Syd, why do you hate norwegian children
so much?

[hanso]

Lol @ Syd

http://i.imgur.com/04UQu.jpg
Here he is in some weird death uni. I got this from some writtings he made before this event. It can be found online. As far as I know I've never read these kinda of manifestos before. But I read about it, and I'm having a look.

http://i.imgur.com/KO59F.jpg
And this one 'eat a bullet uncle sam'

http://i.imgur.com/XxTb5.jpg
Yeah a tree hugger for sure.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What would be unbelievable is if Fox news does just ONE report that this was political as in right wing extremist inspired.


It's the very same hate filled fear mongering crap they spew 24/7. And also similar to the beliefs of the tea party.

Was it a teabagger who crashed his plane into an IRS building last year?

[hanso]

Was it a teabagger who crashed his plane into an IRS building last year?

Lets see. Teabagger...taxes...IRS.... No it couldn't be.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lets see. Teabagger...taxes...IRS.... No it couldn't be.

His political views were all over the place. He hated Bush and wanted outright socialized medicine in his manifesto

[hanso]

http://i.imgur.com/hlwZb.jpg
o&a virus

What I found was something he read and put some pics lnto. Not his own writtings.

[keithy_19]

I shouldn't make jokes before reading the story. Shame on me.

[sailor]

Cut the guy some slack, he was trying to save Europe!

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/europe/norway-gunman-pleads-not-guilty-says-he-wanted-to-save-europe/article2108366/?service=mobile

[JimBeam]

I think we live in a world, fairly or not, where most terrorist attacks, especially those of any mangitude are almost always blamed on the Islmaic/Muslim folks.

I think part of that is the willingness of many of their groups taking credit, truly or not, for attacks.

Another part of it is a prejudice against them.

We all know that in only takes a fool or 2 to do something like this.

My ignorance of anything Norwegian made me question why Islamic/Muslim terrorists would attack them even if they were part of a global initiative in the Middle East.

Also this guy is obvioulsy a lunatic and had some outrageous views but the headlines that say " Anti-Muslim Attack " are somewhat confusing as it doesn't seem like he killed a sinlge Muslim in his attack.

Also not to stir conspiracies but do we think there's any chance the bombing and shooting weren't done by the same guy and it's just a way to put it all to bed at once ?

[CountryBob]

Amuses me how a lot of you guys like to argue about the media outlets and the way they present the news.

:surrender:

[Dude!]

Amuses me how a lot of you guys like to argue about the media outlets and the way they present the news.

that's the speciality of
the low IQ brigade

[spoon]

Anyone watch his 12 minute plus video? Creepy to say the least.

[sailor]

Anyone watch his 12 minute plus video? Creepy to say the least.

Nah, got any highlights or was it just wall-to-wall creep?

[spoon]

Nah, got any highlights or was it just wall-to-wall creep?

It was in a link via one of the posted stories from twitvid, so the ad constantly got in the way.

Overall, it was anti-anything but white Europe (anti-multiculturalism as he puts it) and had a depressing score as background music. The vid went back and forth between scary logic, twisted stats on Europe's coming downfall via Islamic conquest, comics similar to those posted by WF and medieval gamer pics I guess to show white man's might in the past and rile people up. It literally had a dungeons and dragons theme so to speak with crazy logic and scary ideas. He obviously lived up to the hype in a very awful way and still thinks he's in the right.

[spoon]

the production wasn't as bad as you would think, but the pics of him (some posted here) at the end would normally be hilarious if we didn't know he actually acted on these isolationist/demented political thoughts

[spoon]

Here found it in a better form.

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[CaptainBlowhole]

The video's been removed. Dammit!

[spoon]

The video's been removed. Dammit!

Yah how fucking stupid is that? How about we don't erase the shit and let people be exposed to the madness versus being spared it for "our own good". I just don't get it, as it's his words and twisted reality, nothing that couldn't be viewed. At a loss, truly.

[spoon]

removed for shocking and disgusting content.

this is a standard now?

we must be protected even when logging in as an adult?

fuck you youtube

keeping nudity off the site ok

gore I get it

but this is actually something that allows people to see how fundamentalism in any form is not only creepy, but builds people up to do awful things ... why not expose the video and let us judge for ourselves?

[spoon]

AAnders Behring Breivik - Oslo Killer Video Manifesto ... soon to be removed so watch soon or do new search later (http://youtu.be/rAwp2FnRmsE)

[spoon]

hope you can speed read as well

pause is a necessity

[Misteriosa]

imo, fundamentalism of any kind is poisonous.

thanks for posting this spoon. i'll watch it right now. and yes i speed read :P

[spoon]

imo, fundamentalism of any kind is poisonous.

thanks for posting this spoon. i'll watch it right now. and yes i speed read :P

Oh I agree on that first point, as it closes people up to any other way of thinking and even debate. I hope my post wasn't misread. I know this video is FILLED with hate and fear which led to him acting the way he did, but hiding it won't open any eyes in the future.

[Misteriosa]

no doubt. lots of hate and fear. poor guy

[Jujubees2]

As if we already didn't know that Beck is a dick

Glenn Beck: Young Norway victims like 'Hitler Youth' (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43895169/ns/world_news-europe/)

[foodcourtdruide]

As if we already didn't know that Beck is a dick

Glenn Beck: Young Norway victims like 'Hitler Youth' (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43895169/ns/world_news-europe/)

My favorite part of this is that Beck's 9/12 project supports a politically motivated camp for youth. You really can't make this up.

[cougarjake13]

this is a standard now?

we must be protected even when logging in as an adult?

fuck you youtube

keeping nudity off the site ok

gore I get it

but this is actually something that allows people to see how fundamentalism in any form is not only creepy, but builds people up to do awful things ... why not expose the video and let us judge for ourselves?



when did we allow the gov't to start protecting ourselves from ourselves ?

[Dude!]

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[Justice4all]

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that kid in the front of the line reminded me of this kid.......

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[hanso]

Amuses me how a lot of you guys like to argue about the media outlets and the way they present the news.

:surrender:
^y? This
As if we already didn't know that Beck is a dick

Glenn Beck: Young Norway victims like 'Hitler Youth' (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43895169/ns/world_news-europe/)

[keithy_19]

I haven't been following this story at all which is kind of a shame because I think people should be following it and disturbed people and their actions really interest me.

But to comment on the youtube "shocking and disturbing" bullshit, does this also mean that any footage of Nazi Germany has been removed? It's equally as shocking and disturbing, right?

[PapaBear]

But to comment on the youtube "shocking and disturbing" bullshit, does this also mean that any footage of Nazi Germany has been removed? It's equally as shocking and disturbing, right?
I don't know what got removed. I just read this post only. But YouTube has been under great pressure lately, to remove videos as "shocking and disturbing". I think it's a backlash against videos featuring people (mostly youth) committing crimes, beating people up, and such. I can't really fault YouTube for this. They are part of a publicly traded corporation. I hate "corporate censorship", but I totally understand their reasoning behind doing it.

[keithy_19]

I don't know what got removed. I just read this post only. But YouTube has been under great pressure lately, to remove videos as "shocking and disturbing". I think it's a backlash against videos featuring people (mostly youth) committing crimes, beating people up, and such. I can't really fault YouTube for this. They are part of a publicly traded corporation. I hate "corporate censorship", but I totally understand their reasoning behind doing it.

It makes sense, but to what point?

I remember when the MIA Born Free video came out that they banned it because of the subject matter. I understand why (I think you need to have an account to prove your over 18 now to watch it) but I wonder what about the disturbing videos that came out of Iran during the protests awhile back. Youtube/twitter/facebook were touted as these mechanisms of freedom (which they still are) because people were able to show what was happening in a country where expression wasn't permitted.

Of course, if I just google anything I can find a stream for it so in the end it doesn't really matter.

[PapaBear]

It makes sense, but to what point?
$

It's not like there are book burnings in public schools and libraries. YouTube is in the business of MAKING MONEY.

[keithy_19]

$

It's not like there are book burnings in public schools and libraries. YouTube is in the business of MAKING MONEY.


This is true.

[hanso]

The video is not posted anywhere? It was on Liveleak when I saw it.

[keithy_19]

The video is not posted anywhere? It was on Liveleak when I saw it.

It's somewhere online I'm sure. Other places don't have the same rules as youtube.

[sailor]

Insane killer won't face jail time. Hopefully he'll be institutionalized for a long time.

[cougarjake13]

Insane killer won't face jail time. Hopefully he'll be institutionalized for a long time.

really ? they found him insane and not fit to stand trial ?

[sailor]

really ? they found him insane and not fit to stand trial ?

Yeah. It's so stupid.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah. It's so stupid.

i guess you have to be a lil insane to do what he did but i think he knew well enough of the consequences of what he was gonna do

[hanso]

A Lot of planning and tactics went into what he did. Sure the action (killing 77 innocent youths) is insane but the way it was carried out not so much.

[hanso]

Anders Breivik, the Norwegian extremist who admitted to killing 77 people last July, told a court that he deserves a medal of honor for the act and demanded his release. Survivors and relatives of Breivik's victims sat in on the court session, the last in a series of preliminary hearings before his full trial begins in April. Breivik said he had attacked "traitors" who he claims embrace immigration as part of a plot for the "Islamic colonization of Norway."

[hanso]

They should kill this monster already.