Ron and Fez Listening Thread 10/24/11 - Picture me giving a damn

[realmenhatelife]

I said never.

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Winner for best looking Toll booth girl from this weekend? A very surprising Trenton.

[Misteriosa]

some maxinquaye love this morning! nice! :clap: (my fave song on that album is overcome. yay topley bird!)

let's start this week off right.

[Furtherman]

Picture me giving a damn

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[Gutter]

Morning Buddddaaayyys.

[Rhah]

Is Interrobang project over yet?

[Misteriosa]

Is Interrobang project over yet?

NEVAR!!

[IamFogHat]

:bye:

[Rhah]

NEVAR!!

I think that is my new opener for every listening thread. I might have to work on the verbiage though. It will surely refine itself over the years...

[Dell]

moaning buddays...:bye:

[Chigworthy]

Yoy

[Rhah]

Can you contribute on "the site that I refuse to name" without using a twitter or facebook logon yet? Is there an anonymous or just type in your name option?

[Buffalo Back Jared]

Moanin' Buddays!!!! Hope you all had a lazy weekend!

Wow, Ron is savagely taking down Jennifer Hutt.

Moral of this story is: Don't fuck with Mike Kaka, and don't fuck with Ronnie B.

[CountryBob]

:sleep:

I'm so tired today - too much bad food, alcohol and lack of rest has wiped me out.

But I am happy otherwise :smile:

[realmenhatelife]

Oh, The Warriors was supposed to play at my local theater this weekend but they couldn't get the print in time, so bummer. It's my friend's favorite movie so he got a babysitter and everything.

[Gutter]

Wha happmn with Jenn Hutt, Lilly, and the show? wasn't Lilly just on last week?

[Dell]

Oh, The Warriors was supposed to play at my local theater this weekend but they couldn't get the print in time, so bummer. It's my friend's favorite movie so he got a babysitter and everything.

I hope it was the most recent release of the editor's cut...I liked the original, but the comic book transitions was a great touch

edit: didn't notice that it didn't happen...oh well, the editor's cut is really good

[DOHO@HOME]

jenny hut should cut ronnie b some slack

[realmenhatelife]

Ron showed up to the protest to see who was playing, this is starting to get into parody territory.

[Misteriosa]

ahh yes. i saw this today show interview this morning.

jennifer hutt's hair was terrible.

[Baby DEW Year]

:sleep:

I'm so tired today - too much bad food, alcohol and lack of rest has wiped me out.

But I am happy otherwise :smile:

Don't forget about the ass whipping you got in fantasy football! (Sorry Misti)

[CountryBob]

I :wub: Savanna Gutherie

[CountryBob]

Don't forget about the ass whipping you got in fantasy football! (Sorry Misti)

My team relied on the Redskins to score points and they have shit the bed once again....

[Buffalo Back Jared]

Oh, The Warriors was supposed to play at my local theater this weekend but they couldn't get the print in time, so bummer. It's my friend's favorite movie so he got a babysitter and everything.

That sucks. I'd love to see The Warriors in a theater.

[Rhah]

My team relied on the Redskins to score points and they have shit the bed once again....

I had Cassel in my other league, they win 28 to 0 and he literally scored 0.5 points for me. Utterly ridiculous.

[Gutter]

Don't forget about the ass whipping you got in fantasy football! (Sorry Misti)

That was a beating wasn't it? tee hee tee hee.

[CountryBob]

That was a beating wasn't it? tee hee tee hee.

:surrender:

[Gutter]

:surrender:

ohhhh no no no sir. We still have to see how Monday night plays out. Don't forget, I have Jones Drew and you have Flacco. THE BEATING CONTINUES!!!!

[Chigworthy]

Anyone play Rockstar's The Warriors game on PS2? It was very underrated

[Misteriosa]

I :wub: Savanna Gutherie

im not a fan of hers. she's so disconnected from everything. she is supposed to be closer to our age group but is clueless. she wouldnt hold a toad for a toad race because "its gross"; she didnt know who wilfred was (they were talking about popular halloween costume ideas); and is a delicate flower (as per her mom who was on the show).

no thanks. give me jenna wolfe as a new news correspondent. she let her hair get licked by a cow, got fake tattoos to freak out the regular today show people, and hangs off of buildings for the show.

(also, i miss meredith, who is like an older version of jenna)

[Misteriosa]

Anyone play Rockstar's The Warriors game on PS2? It was very underrated

i did. it was pretty good, though i wasnt able to get much play time as my ex didnt like to see me use his playstation or his games.

[CountryBob]

im not a fan of hers. she's so disconnected from everything. she is supposed to be closer to our age group but is clueless. she wouldnt hold a toad for a toad race because "its gross"; she didnt know who wilfred was (they were talking about popular halloween costume ideas); and is a delicate flower (as per her mom who was on the show).

no thanks. give me jenna wolfe as a new news correspondent. she let her hair get licked by a cow, got fake tattoos to freak out the regular today show people, and hangs off of buildings for the show.

I just think she is cute

[CountryBob]

Great one Fez - anytime you can throw Cheezy Poofs in a conversation - :clap:

Ron had no idea WTF he was talking about....

[Misteriosa]

I just think she is cute

i just find her unwatchable. she just seems like you could hear the wind blow thru her ears, unless she's talking about law related things (as she is a lawyer).

[Buffalo Back Jared]

I just think she is cute

Cute and really smart. Constitutional lawyer, I believe. Loved her on the Daily Rundown on MSNBC.

But if we're talking news correspondents, give me Lara Logan. After she was attacked in Egypt I almost booked a flight to go over there and castrate the fuckers themselves.

She is straight-up gorgeous, her accent makes me swoon, and she's brave as hell. She had a segment during the height of the Iraq war about US troops rescuing a high-profile Iraqi doctor & his family stuck behind al-Sadr's lines. Incredible report.

[Buffalo Back Jared]

Great one Fez - anytime you can throw Cheezy Poofs in a conversation - :clap:

Ron had no idea WTF he was talking about....

I want a Clyde Frog reference...

[Lemieux66]

"Mainstream sucks, it's terrible."

May be the most concise synopsis of the Ron & Fez show ever.

[LeedsJr]

I actually agree with Fez here. I hope he sticks to his guns.

[realmenhatelife]

Anyone play Rockstar's The Warriors game on PS2? It was very underrated

Yeah, they had some kind of fighting engine for it that really worked. It was so damn short though.

[CountryBob]

I want a Clyde Frog reference...

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[Buffalo Back Jared]

How on earth can Ron argue that being gay is a choice? Is he doing this just to keep Fezzie in the moment?

[Gutter]

I actually agree with Fez here. I hope he sticks to his guns.

same here. Hey Ron, how do you know you're straight? did you decide to be straight or were you just attracted to girls your whole life?

I think certain aspects of the culture are a choice....you can choose to be as flamboyant as you want or not, you can choose to act like a complete cartoon character or not....but as far as the basic concept of preference, it just is.

Ron needs to shut the fuck up and listen for a second. He's way off on this one.

[Buffalo Back Jared]

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Artemis Clyde Frog!!!!

Thanks CB!!!

:clap::clap::clap:

[Dell]

Ron might be a gay...I could never choose that orientation and cannot believe it is a choice

[realmenhatelife]

Ron's being willfully naive to pretend that gays aren't at a greater personal risk in our society just because the law says you cant hurt them.

[underdog]

Ron's being willfully naive to pretend that gays aren't at a greater personal risk in our society just because the law says you cant hurt them.

His bullying argument is virtually the same. It's dumb.

[LeedsJr]

Ron's being willfully naive to pretend that gays aren't at a greater personal risk in our society just because the law says you cant hurt them.

Ron's being willfully naive in a lot of ways.

[Misteriosa]

Ron's being willfully naive to pretend that gays aren't at a greater personal risk in our society just because the law says you cant hurt them.

yep.. someone should mention the recent case of the transgender lady getting the shit beat out of her at the mcdonalds. that was stomach churning.

[Buffalo Back Jared]

Ron is being so condescending to this caller it's almost infuriating. He's hitting him because the guy wants to "get the acceptance" of his family and friends??? Of course he does. Who doesn't? Sometimes he takes the individualism thing a little too far...

[Misteriosa]

yup. ron is TOTALLY speaking from the position of male hetero privilege.

[CountryBob]

What about the Bi's? They like both sexes - explain that one ROn....

[Gutter]

Ron's being willfully naive to pretend that gays aren't at a greater personal risk in our society just because the law says you cant hurt them.

Exactly. There might not be laws against them moving into certain neighborhoods, but when they do move in, ppl will make it plenty fucking difficult for them to stay all on their own.

[Dell]

never seen Ron take such a bullying tactic...must know he is wrong

[LeedsJr]

Home run Fezzie.

A pedophile may not be able to control his urges, but he is responsible for controlling his actions.

What is Ron even arguing?? It's maddening.

[realmenhatelife]

yep.. someone should mention the recent case of the transgender lady getting the shit beat out of her at the mcdonalds. that was stomach churning.

My friend's best friend, a gay man, was found drowned in a shallow drainage pool in chicago this winter and it was ruled 'accidental' without the cops doing any kind of investigation into the guy he was living with at the time, who was most likely the person he was with on the night he died.



And the caller nailed it, when Ron was chastising his about wanting it to be easier he said "it's easier to say that from your side."

[realmenhatelife]

Ron's whole thing that gays trying to assimilate into society is making them boring is so patronizing.

[Dell]

never had Ron anger me to a point where I wanted to change the channel, but his approach (and position) is bringing me very close

[LeedsJr]

never had Ron anger me to a point where I wanted to change the channel, but his approach (and position) is bringing me very close

Completely agree. If they take any more church people calls, I'm out.

[CountryBob]

No ROn - that caller said he wished he was straight so society would accept him. Nothing about God....

[Lemieux66]

Ron is condescending about most things on a daily basis. Not sure why everyone is surprised today in particular :tongue:

[LeedsJr]

Caller: "I knew people who were obviously gay. In the glee club..."

:wallbash::furious::thumbdown::nono:

[CountryBob]

Ron is condescending about most things on a daily basis. Not sure why everyone is surprised today in particular :tongue:

So true

[Gutter]

Ron is condescending about most things on a daily basis. Not sure why everyone is surprised today in particular :tongue:

Its just obnoxious hearing anyone at this point argue that being gay is a choice as opposed to something hard wired into his brain because of genetics.

It's like trying to argue that the world is flat.

Its more obnoxious when it comes from Ron who isn't blinded by religion on the topic....A super religious person, you expect that kind of talk from, but from Ron, its just disappointing.

[Buffalo Back Jared]

Like a lot of you are saying, Fez's argument is spot-on. You don't choose to be gay, you choose whether or not to act on it.

[CountryBob]

The Clan scares me

[realmenhatelife]

No ROn - that caller said he wished he was straight so society would accept him. Nothing about God....

Ron is mixing arguments about civil liberties and private social opinions to kindof maximize his effect. Gay people wanting to be married does not mean gay people want to be married in the church, or that a law would force the church to allow gay marriage, but rons kindof balling it all up together.



He's basically blaming the victim too. Any act by the government which deligitimizes gays reinforces anyones personal anti gay feelings. Saying gays should try and be seperate from society as much as they can totally works against the possibility of that acceptance. It sounds like he's objectifying them to an extent, like they're all soem kind of magical art fairies that stomp on that to work office jobs and buy houses in the suburbs. Not that some people, including gays, actually desire that lifestyle.

[Dell]

Its just obnoxious hearing anyone at this point argue that being gay is a choice as opposed to something hard wired into his brain because of genetics.

It's like trying to argue that the world is flat.

Its more obnoxious when it comes from Ron who isn't blinded by religion on the topic....A super religious person, you expect that kind of talk from, but from Ron, its just disappointing.

very well put and I think Ron as being a snob about a lot of things (food, entertainment, etc) and condescending on some things, but this borders on bullying

[underdog]

Its just obnoxious hearing anyone at this point argue that being gay is a choice as opposed to something hard wired into his brain because of genetics.

It's like trying to argue that the world is flat.

Its more obnoxious when it comes from Ron who isn't blinded by religion on the topic....A super religious person, you expect that kind of talk from, but from Ron, its just disappointing.

His position is that your preferences are somehow choices. You have no choice over what your body wants, whether it be flavors of food or sexual attraction. You have a choice over whether you act on it or not, but acting like that's an actual choice is retarded.

[CountryBob]

My body wants lunch - cya :bye:

[realmenhatelife]

Well, legally I dont think you can be there. You probabyl cant get married in your state, without being married companies can deny your legal partnership and put up road blocks to you adopting those kids, getting health insurance, and I'm assuming filing joint taxes and getting a home loan.

And again, every negative thing your neighbors will think is reinforced by a lot of stuff in society.

[LeedsJr]

Wow. Maybe RON has a secret.

[Gutter]

My body wants lunch - cya :bye:

yes, but are you choosing to have lunch?

[realmenhatelife]

The caller totally caught ron out about when did he choose to be hetero, and ron did his evasive bit.

Ron doesn't do drugs anymore but he still identifies as an addict. I dont think there's evidence that he chose to be an addict.

[Chigworthy]

It seems like part of Ron's argument is that regardless of it being a choice or not, gays should state that it is a choice for political benefit. Odd.

[LeedsJr]

The caller totally caught ron out about when did he choose to be hetero, and ron did his evasive bit.

Ron doesn't do drugs anymore but he still identifies as an addict. I dont think there's evidence that he chose to be an addict.

Yeah, that's what my comment about Ron having a secret was about.
He makes choices every day? So, he might choose to be gay tomorrow? 100% bullshit.

[Chigworthy]

Wanting sexual preference to be a choice is part of Ron's perfect world that will never exist.

[Warren Peace]

Yeah, that's what my comment about Ron having a secret was about.
He makes choices every day? So, he might choose to be gay tomorrow? 100% bullshit.

Ron didn't suck that dick because he wanted to...he HAD to. He had no choice....because of the drugs..

[realmenhatelife]

How does Ron not make the connection between gays being persecuted and a presidential candidate undermining gay stuff? It sounds like Ron is the one who wants the perfect world.


And the secret to getting your call through without getting shouted over or hung up on before you're finished? Start out saying "I agree with you 100% Ron..."

[Gutter]

very well put and I think Ron as being a snob about a lot of things (food, entertainment, etc) and condescending on some things, but this borders on bullying

well, i don't think it boarders on bullying....he's speaking very generally about the collective. Ron's argument is that they should just get past it because it shouldn't matter, but I don't understand why he disagrees with choice vs. genetics.

And I hate when ppl get into arguments and they take all these other things that have nothing to do with the argument and twist it to prove their point. you can't just say, "well this happens over here, so it make my argument true". Ron doing that this entire segment is the annoying part.

[Chigworthy]

It's not about feeling like you have a choice. It's about whether you actually do or not. I've never been this befuddled by Ron before.

[LeedsJr]

Another pet peeve of mine:

"Life, Liberty, and the pusuit of Happiness."

Is in the freaking Declaration of Independence, NOT the Constitution.

[LeedsJr]

On the plus side, Zito is getting funnier every day.

[Misteriosa]

Another pet peeve of mine:

"Life, Liberty, and the pusuit of Happiness."

Is in the freaking Declaration of Independence, NOT the Constitution.

+ 1 million internets for you.

[realmenhatelife]

It's not about feeling like you have a choice. It's about whether you actually do or not. I've never been this befuddled by Ron before.

Ron's in there against a bunch of paper lions, it's why he can get away with just shouting and deflecting. Ron is really good at maintaining the ron character.

[Warren Peace]

Ron's in there against a bunch of paper lions, it's why he can get away with just shouting and deflecting. Ron is really good at maintaining the ron character.

Yep...as Ron has transitioned the show to be more a "thoughtful and insightful" show, he's done a good job positioning himself as the alpha dog.

[realmenhatelife]

In other news, the girl from Titus Andronicus quit amicably. What terrible timing. The next album should be the biggest one they make, they'll tour nationally and probably internationally. She's going to focus on her own projects, but hey "Titus Andronicus side project" is going to book a shitload more shows.

[realmenhatelife]

Ron is absolutely just playing an 'awe shucks' routine to say some bullshit like 'School is a safe place.'

[Buffalo Back Jared]

Been on hold w/ the show for 12 mins waiting to ask Ron how many guys he's chosen to have sexual contact with...

Holding... hooolding... hoooooooldiiiing....

[Gutter]

Oh jeeeezus, here we fucking go. Look Ron, I SURE AS SHIT could have done without the 2-3 years of being terrified just to walk to the fucking bus stop everyday. Oh, and that entire summer between 8th and 9th grade that I stayed inside watching tv every day all day cause I got picked on so bad no one wanted to hang out with me? Trying to make it seem like that's what I actually wanted to do so I wouldn't have to tell my insanely worried parents that I didn't want to go out because every fucking time I saw this one kid he was beating me up? My parents thinking I was on drugs for three months cause I stayed inside? yea coulda done without that either.

[realmenhatelife]

Oh jeeeezus, here we fucking go. Look Ron, I SURE AS SHIT could have done without the 2-3 years of being terrified just to walk to the fucking bus stop everyday. Oh, and that entire summer between 8th and 9th grade that I stayed inside watching tv every day all day cause I got picked on so bad no one wanted to hang out with me? Trying to make it seem like that's what I actually wanted to do so I wouldn't have to tell my insanely worried parents that I didn't want to go out because every fucking time I saw this one kid he was beating me up? yea coulda done without that either.

Report it Gutter, school is a safe place.

[CountryBob]

Kids that are contemplating killing themselves should be bullied into thinking that they shouldn't do it

[realmenhatelife]

Go look up my awary winning listening thread posting about why people really want to stick their heads in the sand over the issue of bullying, and also why it doesn't matter how real and how imagined it is now that we've even started discussing it.

Ron doesn't know what he's talking about, and unfortunately is talking to Fez who doesn't know what he's talking about, and then a bunch of knee jerk callers.

[LeedsJr]

No. Kids not knowing how to deal with adversity does not cause bullying. That was the dumbest call yet today, and there have been some doozies.

I think Ron is just being an adversarial asshole today. He can't believe all the nonsense he is spouting.

[Gutter]

Report it Gutter, school is a safe place.

yea, not back then it wasn't. "ohh toughen up" or "what you want me to do about it?" is the usual response I got from teachers. I had seriously considered actually murdering a person or three by the time I got out of freshman/sophmore year in high school.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about this over pussification that's going on. Being called "stupid" or "dumb"....whatever, there are things that I dealt with myself, and that other kids should deal with themselves, but when it gets to the point where kids are making GIANT signs to be posted on your locker that make fun of you, or when a kid writes a quote that goes into the fucking yearbook that makes fun of you under your own picture, or when you show up with fucking black eyes and bleeding noses everyday. Nothing makes you feel more alone when teachers see that and do NOTHING.

[CountryBob]

Some people are strong some are not. Every situation can't be labeled. Weak kids get bullied - strong kids usually dont. Protect the weak and punish the bullies. And then give both ice cream

[sailor]

Ron expects kids to know they can go to the police for being bullied/beat up? I know he can't believe that, just based on his past actions.

[Misteriosa]

Ron expects kids to know they can go to the police for being bullied/beat up? I know he can't believe that, just based on his past actions.

and that is a relatively new thing.

my niece's bully pressed charges against her when she finally fought back. my niece has a record now because she defended herself.

[Misteriosa]

also, im thinking about that kid who most recently killed himself. HE was sent to counseling for being bullied. there was no mention of the accused bully getting any counseling help. if i remember correctly, his sister went to the school dance a week after her brother's suicide and the bullies were STILL fucking with this kid after he died. the boy's friends played a lady gaga song for him at the dance, and the bullies were chanting something along the lines of "we're glad he's dead."

i cant fucking understand it.

[sailor]

and that is a relatively new thing.

my niece's bully pressed charges against her when she finally fought back. my niece has a record now because she defended herself.

I goes without saying that's obviously crazy, well depending on the scale of her fighting back.

[Chigworthy]

Here come the waterworks.

[LeedsJr]

Ok. Bullying is a media invention. Maybe homosexuality is, too.

That's it, I'm done. I'm goona see what Mike Francesa is talking about.

I wonder if Ron will tell that author they should have manned up and quit whining?

[Gutter]

Fez is right. When you're in that position that's all you want to do....just be fucking ignored for a day. That's when I remember having a good day at school.....when no one even talked to me. The longer I could coast through unnoticed, the better.

[Gutter]

did NOT think we were getting that clip today haha.

[Lemieux66]

Wow PERFECT callback.

point... Ron.

[A.J.]

That clip never gets old!

[realmenhatelife]

also, im thinking about that kid who most recently killed himself. HE was sent to counseling for being bullied. there was no mention of the accused bully getting any counseling help. if i remember correctly, his sister went to the school dance a week after her brother's suicide and the bullies were STILL fucking with this kid after he died. the boy's friends played a lady gaga song for him at the dance, and the bullies were chanting something along the lines of "we're glad he's dead."

i cant fucking understand it.

Also covered in my landmark listening thread piece. The bully is as fucked up as the bullied, and the thing that eventually fixes this is widespread educational programs similar to the AIDS, drug and smoking education people in my generation got.

Why are people acting like the old system worked? Does it seem like we're really fucking with success by changing anything about kids are raised today over how we were raised as kids?


I wish they'd have these bullshit talks on Wednesdays or Fridays, there's more to flip to.

[DOHO@HOME]

That clip never gets old!

To bad there will be no more drinking shows........I wish during the weekend they would have like a after show set up with pepper and zito talking about the different show's during the past week.

[Lemieux66]

Enough already, holy shit. Education will help obviously, but teenagers are gonna be assholes no matter how educated they are. The same way they'll still smoke, fuck without condoms, and do drugs.

I was 5'1" and probably 110 going into high school and I survived.

[Gutter]

To bad there will be no more drinking shows........I wish during the weekend they would have like a after show set up with pepper and zito talking about the different show's during the past week.

They could occasionally team up with Sam and Roland and do a SAM-RO-PEP-ZEET show.

[sailor]

I think fez was bullied there, not Freddy.

[sailor]

Put the bullied kids in solitary?!

[Gutter]

Enough already, holy shit. Education will help obviously, but teenagers are gonna be assholes no matter how educated they are. The same way they'll still smoke, fuck without condoms, and do drugs.

I was 5'1" and probably 110 going into high school and I survived.

If I learned one thing from it is that if you're getting made fun of and picked on, and beat up really bad, you just need to haul off and break someones fucking face one day. smash him in the fucking face with a bat, brass knukles, a roll of dimes, whatever. Break his fucking face open and watch him bleed.

Deal with the consequences later, but no one will ever fuck with you again. I was too scared to do that because I was afraid of getting expelled or what my parents would do, and it took me a while to become that jaded about it cause honestly back then I didn't want to hurt anyone back. Things might have been different for a little while in high school if I had.

Luckily though I went away to college in a different state and was able to re-invent myself and I had a great time.

[realmenhatelife]

I think fez was bullied there, not Freddy.

Well technically bullying doesn't exist, just like drunk driving and second hand smoke. Well, not even second hand smoke, but just the legitimacy of the opinion that cigarettes and cigars smell like shit.

[realmenhatelife]

If I learned one thing from it is that if you're getting made fun of and picked on, and beat up really bad, you just need to haul off and break someones fucking face one day. smash him in the fucking face with a bat, brass knukles, a roll of dimes, whatever. Break his fucking face open and watch him bleed.

Deal with the consequences later, but no one will ever fuck with you again. I was too scared to do that because I was afraid of getting expelled or what my parents would do, and it took me a while to become that jaded about it cause honestly back then I didn't want to hurt anyone back. Things might have been different for a little while in high school if I had.

Luckily though I went away to college in a different state and was able to re-invent myself and I had a great time.

But you cant encourage kids to just live by prison rules. You can't rely on a childs judgement and restraint. A kid who has the bully itch and can justify why it's ok to tease young gutter will make just as much out of the idea that sometimes its ok to really get violent. An adult can weigh consequence, result and action, a kid cant even begin to approach those ideas in the same way.

[sailor]

Could have heard a pin drop? Shoulda sang louder or somethin, tss tss.

[Chigworthy]

V sounds completely different than I expected.

[Gutter]

But you cant encourage kids to just live by prison rules. You can't rely on a childs judgement and restraint. A kid who has the bully itch and can justify why it's ok to tease young gutter will make just as much out of the idea that sometimes its ok to really get violent. An adult can weigh consequence, result and action, a kid cant even begin to approach those ideas in the same way.

I wasn't just getting teased. physical attacks were as much a part of getting the usual verbal shit. at some point, to use a terribly annoying phrase, enough is enough and when the teachers won't help and everyone else ignores it, beating the fuck out of the kid that's the main reason why your life sucks at that point is a viable option as far as I'm concerned.

[Lemieux66]

Oh, so THIS is why we spent the entire show talking about bullying and gays.

[Gutter]

V sounds completely different than I expected.

you were maybe expecting him to sound like this guy?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8G-21ftYPik/TA5pD3ISpyI/AAAAAAAAC20/EuFNtFbJ18E/s1600/v-for-vendetta.jpg

[Warren Peace]

I wonder if Hosp will corner this guy on the elevator....

[Gutter]

Oh, so THIS is why we spent the entire show talking about bullying and gays.

Its like hes interviewing an enlightened future Fez.

[Chigworthy]

I wonder what Fez thought about the book.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

I wonder what Fez thought about the book.

It's not out on tape yet.

[sailor]

I wasn't just getting teased. physical attacks were as much a part of getting the usual verbal shit. at some point, to use a terribly annoying phrase, enough is enough and when the teachers won't help and everyone else ignores it, beating the fuck out of the kid that's the main reason why your life sucks at that point is a viable option as far as I'm concerned.

Reminds me of this kid from Bergen catholic who beat his tormentors with a metal pipe on their school bus. I didn't go there, but a friend who did said it was pretty justified.

[realmenhatelife]

I wasn't just getting teased. physical attacks were as much a part of getting the usual verbal shit. at some point, to use a terribly annoying phrase, enough is enough and when the teachers won't help and everyone else ignores it, beating the fuck out of the kid that's the main reason why your life sucks at that point is a viable option as far as I'm concerned.

You made your personal choice and that worked for you, I mean it's not something you could adopt as a philosophy for child rearing in general.

[Gutter]

You made your personal choice and that worked for you, I mean it's not something you could adopt as a philosophy for child rearing in general.

well no, I'd agree with that. however, if I ever have a kid, I would pray more than anything for him to have an easier time in grade school/high school of course. if he didn't however, you can take a guess how I'd teach him to handle that at a certain point.

[realmenhatelife]

Wait, counseling for being bullied in the 70s? But bullying is an invention of the media.


Dont express yourself kids, keep your heads down. Recipe for a happy life.

[Gutter]

Reminds me of this kid from Bergen catholic who beat his tormentors with a metal pipe on their school bus. I didn't go there, but a friend who did said it was pretty justified.

good for him. I bet they stopped fucking with him after that.

[realmenhatelife]

well no, I'd agree with that. however, if I ever have a kid, I would pray more than anything for him to have an easier time in grade school/high school of course. if he didn't however, you can take a guess how I'd teach him to handle that at a certain point.

And I pray that one day they perfect transplanting a pair of ovaries in a man's hairy ass so you can know the joys of fatherhood.





I think the idea that we want to take the lessons of our own childhoods to make better childhoods for the next generations is pretty universal. If you knew your kid was getting bullied really badly I'll bet you'd exhaust all kinds of possibilities before putting them in the position where they could wind up in serious trouble, or making a seriously regrettable mistake. I'll bet you'd go kick his dad's ass before you had him risking his own stuff.

[CountryBob]

Haha - I love this video of the worst band ever!

[CountryBob]

also, im thinking about that kid who most recently killed himself. HE was sent to counseling for being bullied. there was no mention of the accused bully getting any counseling help. if i remember correctly, his sister went to the school dance a week after her brother's suicide and the bullies were STILL fucking with this kid after he died. the boy's friends played a lady gaga song for him at the dance, and the bullies were chanting something along the lines of "we're glad he's dead."

i cant fucking understand it.

Those kids should be expelled immediately!

[Gutter]

And I pray that one day they perfect transplanting a pair of ovaries in a man's hairy ass so you can know the joys of fatherhood.





I think the idea that we want to take the lessons of our own childhoods to make better childhoods for the next generations is pretty universal. If you knew your kid was getting bullied really badly I'll bet you'd exhaust all kinds of possibilities before putting them in the position where they could wind up in serious trouble, or making a seriously regrettable mistake. I'll bet you'd go kick his dad's ass before you had him risking his own stuff.

hahahaha we're almost there RMHL.....almost.


and yes, giving my hypothetical kid the green light to do something that extreme would be the absolute last ditch effort to make it stop. And I am incredibly worried about being able to control myself in front of my own kid if I ever had to confront the father of my hypothetical son's hypothetical bully. That would be all the anger from my childhood and all the anger for what he would be going through rolled up into a giant ball of hate and I'd be sorry for the person on the receiving end of that. I'm not sure I'd want to blow up like that in front of any kid, let alone my own.

[Misteriosa]

what is this awfulness being played?

[Chigworthy]

Plenty of other covers to be had here:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hush/185170418164810

[Gutter]

what is this awfulness being played?

they're making fun of some awful Pink Floyd cover band for whatever reason....or just an awful band that plays covers in general.

[CountryBob]

what is this awfulness being played?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Jj7pDNDuoJ0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[sailor]

Why are we listening to this shit?

What misti said.

[Furtherman]

hahahaha we're almost there RMHL.....almost.


and yes, giving my hypothetical kid the green light to do something that extreme would be the absolute last ditch effort to make it stop. And I am incredibly worried about being able to control myself in front of my own kid if I ever had to confront the father of my hypothetical son's hypothetical bully. That would be all the anger from my childhood and all the anger for what he would be going through rolled up into a giant ball of hate and I'd be sorry for the person on the receiving end of that. I'm not sure I'd want to blow up like that in front of any kid, let alone my own.

Whatever, poopy-head. NYA NYA NYA POOPY-HEAD!!!!! AHAHAHAHA YOUR HEAD IS POOP!

[Misteriosa]

this is the band equivalent of those people who try out for american idol and SWEAR they can sing. :wallbash:

[CountryBob]

this is the band equivalent of those people who try out for american idol and SWEAR they can sing. :wallbash:

But I really can sing - Simon dosent know a good thing - Im goona make it big and they will regret not putting me through to Hollywood.

[Furtherman]

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/cwHfUfqepQQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[CountryBob]

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/cwHfUfqepQQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Haha - thats awesome!

[Gutter]

Whatever, poopy-head. NYA NYA NYA POOPY-HEAD!!!!! AHAHAHAHA YOUR HEAD IS POOP!

oh that's it......me and you are gonna throw down!!!! I'll be waiting for you after school pussy!!!!!

[Misteriosa]

i think its the triple play of the slap accompanied by the slo-mo that really adds the humor

[CountryBob]

What a terrible way to end the show today - lazy.

But I will be back tomorrow anyway!

[Misteriosa]

:bye: later buddays!

[jimmyolsenblues]

I constantly amazed Fez gets a paycheck for millions of dollars and hasn't had an original thought in 5 years.

[fezident]

I know I'm way late on this one but, I really enjoyed the discussion on the show... and I really enjoyed the points that you guys raised here on the board.

I was frustrated by Ron during this debate... until I realized that he was simply trying to get Fez involved in a dialog.

The "problem" such as it is with gay people is, they ARE different. They treat themselves as such. Fez relentlessly covers stories from all over the country that are typical in every way... except that the victim was gay. People (including Fez) speculate aaaaall the time about which celeb is dating which celeb. But if there's speculation about a possibly GAY celeb, Fez not only takes issue with it... but he takes it personally. Today, I truly feel like Ron was letting the baby have his bottle. "okay big cat, you wanna talk about gay issues, let's talk about gay issues until YOU change the subject. So there."
It almost seemed like he was being combative with Fez simply to coax Fez out of the closet.


Ron's arguments today were not in keeping with his usual logic. Ron has stated many many times that "you are who you pretend to be". But today... he stated that a guy like Fez isn't gay because he's never acted on it. But Fez is certainly pretending to be gay... and by Ron's (previous) logic... he should be treated and accepted as such.

I think the whole "you choose to be gay" stems from a different argument. One that wasn't mentioned on the show... or here.
Many people, usually female... BECOME gay after experiencing some sort of trauma or abuse. A little girl is born straight (as far we know)... and then she gets molested by her step-father.... and soon after, she becomes a lesbian. No... not always... but it is common. It happens. In those instances... it's easy to say that being gay IS a choice.

One could argue that Fez's relationship with "mother" had turned him off to women. That is also a common situation.

ALSO... I don't think Fez is able to distinguish between "bullying" and "teasing" and "getting beat up". Teasing a boy for being slightly feminine is simply part of growing up. Like making fun of a kids accent... or lisp.. or stutter... or acne. Yeah, it sucks. But it isn't something that requires police intervention... or suicide.

Ron's arguments today were, in my opinion, nothing more that an attempt to get Fez talking. "The Wire" isn't working for poor Fezzie. No characters. No prep. No point of view. No opinions, really.
If you ask me.... Ron took one for the team today. He made himself look bad just so Fez could talk comfortably about something.