5 Ways We Ruined the Occupy Wall Street Generation

[furie]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-we-ruined-occupy-wall-street-generation/

[cougarjake13]

is it run by vince mcmahon

[Misteriosa]

i find the articles there to be pretty funny. the ones by john cheese are more about life experiences and lessons with some comedy mixed in. generally, i like his articles.

[sailor]

Someone posted it in the ows thread. Interesting article.

[A.J.]

When I got out college 20 years ago, the only job I could get was the one I had in high school: flipping burgers. I often joked that I was going to hang my college diploma over the fryers.

The bright side was that it 1) gave me some income and 2) saved me some money since food was free. It was a nice safety net to have.

Hail to the Burger Flippers!

[JohnGacysCrawlSpace]

I'm glad these whiny assholes got rousted at 1am. Life isn't fair. Go home.

[Kublakhan61]

I'm glad these whiny assholes got rousted at 1am. Life isn't fair. Go home.

Said Gov. George Wallace.

[JohnGacysCrawlSpace]

I like the way Egypt and Syria deal with protesters. These children would stand no chance.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I like the way Egypt and Syria deal with protesters. These children would stand no chance.

And they actually had real, legitimate reasons to protest!

[Judge Smails]

And they actually had real, legitimate reasons to protest!

Who are you to judge?

http://www.e-forwards.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Occupy-Wall-Street-great-signs-clever-funny-signs.jpeg

[Kublakhan61]

I understand how it is that O&A and R&F draw some lowest common denominator types but, all joking aside, you guys don't think there is reason to protest?

You know how political systems work? The larger the constituent base, the more power wielded. Politicians work for the largest voting block. Banding together to draw attention to issues such as unemployment (the highest it has been since 1983), or questionable banking practices (see the causes of 2008 financial collapse), is totally within the bounds of the game.

Perhaps a party will play to them in 2012? Maybe a real third party will emerge? Who knows? I think the point is, a lot of people are upset and are tired of "Hope" campaigns and promises, they need real change.

[StanUpshaw]

Until they stop acting like a bunch of Facebookers indulging in Flower Child fantasies, why should anyone take them seriously?

[Kublakhan61]

Until they stop acting like a bunch of Facebookers indulging in Flower Child fantasies, why should anyone take them seriously?

You know the demographics of the movement span a wide age range and crosses many sectors, right? They aren't all unemployed kids.

But why should they be taken seriously? Because they organized a movement that spans several major US cities. Isn't that enough? Because they have raised an issue that has inspired widespread engagement. Doesn't that mean anything?

Why should they be taken seriously? Because this is how a democracy works. Squeaky wheels.

[StanUpshaw]

You know the demographics of the movement span a wide age range and crosses many sectors, right? They aren't all unemployed kids.

But why should they be taken seriously? Because they organized a movement that spans several major US cities. Isn't that enough? Because they have raised an issue that has inspired widespread engagement. Doesn't that mean anything?

Why should they be taken seriously? Because this is how a democracy works. Squeaky wheels.

Everything you've said could be applied to the WBC. Do you think they should be taken seriously?


And I don't know where you've been for the last 200 years, but if you think this is how democracy works, you're a fool.

[furie]

I like the way Egypt and Syria deal with protesters.

I hope that's a joke. This is America. Let these hippies protest all they want. While their goals are largely unrealiatic, I'm all for the protests.

[brettmojo]

I hope that's a joke. This is America. Let these hippies protest all they want. While their goals are largely unrealiatic, I'm all for the protests.
A bunch of slackers playing hobos in a park is not protesting.

[Kublakhan61]

Everything you've said could be applied to the WBC. Do you think they should be taken seriously?


And I don't know where you've been for the last 200 years, but if you think this is how democracy works, you're a fool.

Westboro Baptist Church has never inspired large demonstrations across several cities, that I know of... Nor have they the same numbers - it's a numbers game. The more people the louder the voice.

Should WBC someday get 20,000 people to march on a city I'd say they should be taken seriously. I do not think we need to give into their demands, which goes for OWS, as well, but, I think the act of organizing such a large base warrants our taking them seriously. Which is the point i am trying to make here.

I'll have to ask you how it is that democracy works. I know from first hard experience that politicians work to respond to the group the complains the loudest and most often. It's what they do to stay in office. Protesting and disrupting the flow of a city is a pretty loud signal that something needs to be done.

[furie]

A bunch of slackers playing hobos in a park is not protesting.

you're right, it's not.

http://gothamist.com/attachments/byakas/10511march27.jpg

But this is...

[brettmojo]

As awful as the tea part is at least they we're organized with a clear message that resulted in getting people elected to government. That's how you change things in this country. At least that's how it's supposed to work.

Nothing short of full out revolution will do anything at this point so really it doesn't matter anyway. But these occupy protests have already shot their load and annoyed the very people they claim to be "protesting" for. Nobody even knows what they're there for. Is it corruption? Is it no jobs? Is it to keep the McRib around permanently? No one knows. "Shit sucks" is really not a fixable demand.

[StanUpshaw]

Westboro Baptist Church has never inspired large demonstrations across several cities, that I know of... Nor have they the same numbers - it's a numbers game. The more people the louder the voice.

Should WBC someday get 20,000 people to march on a city I'd say they should be taken seriously. I do not think we need to give into their demands, which goes for OWS, as well, but, I think the act of organizing such a large base warrants our taking them seriously. Which is the point i am trying to make here.

I'll have to ask you how it is that democracy works. I know from first hard experience that politicians work to respond to the group the complains the loudest and most often. It's what they do to stay in office. Protesting and disrupting the flow of a city is a pretty loud signal that something needs to be done.

About 20 million people will congregate this weekend to watch sparkly vampires.

[furie]

As awful as the tea part is at least they we're organized with a clear message that resulted in getting people elected to government. That's how you change things in this country. At least that's how it's supposed to work.

Nothing short of full out revolution will do anything at this point so really it doesn't matter anyway. But these occupy protests have already shot their load and annoyed the very people they claim to be "protesting" for. Nobody even knows what they're there for. Is it corruption? Is it no jobs? Is it to keep the McRib around permanently? No one knows. "Shit sucks" is really not a fixable demand.

regardless, I already said their goals were unrealistic.
but the NYPD gave a conservative estimate of 20,000 protesters all over NYC. it's not a bunch of hobo's in the park anymore.

[StanUpshaw]

As awful as the tea part is at least they we're organized with a clear message that resulted in getting people elected to government. That's how you change things in this country. At least that's how it's supposed to work.

Nothing short of full out revolution will do anything at this point so really it doesn't matter anyway. But these occupy protests have already shot their load and annoyed the very people they claim to be "protesting" for. Nobody even knows what they're there for. Is it corruption? Is it no jobs? Is it to keep the McRib around permanently? No one knows. "Shit sucks" is really not a fixable demand.

End greed, duh.

[underdog]

regardless, I already said their goals were unrealistic.
but the NYPD gave a conservative estimate of 20,000 protesters all over NYC. it's not a bunch of hobo's in the park anymore.

The crowd around the Brooklyn Bridge was astounding yesterday.

[brettmojo]

About 20 million people will congregate this weekend to watch sparkly vampires.

The true 99%.

regardless, I already said their goals were unrealistic.
but the NYPD gave a conservative estimate of 20,000 protesters all over NYC. it's not a bunch of hobo's in the park anymore.

That's only because Bloomberg didn't want them all stinking up the city for the holiday shoppers. If they want to do something real noticeably they should occupy the tree lighting ceremony.

End greed, duh.
Apparently, Anne Hathaway wants more black boards. (http://www.wwtdd.com/2011/11/anne-hathaway-occupied-wall-street/)

[Kublakhan61]

As awful as the tea part is at least they we're organized with a clear message that resulted in getting people elected to government. That's how you change things in this country. At least that's how it's supposed to work.

Nothing short of full out revolution will do anything at this point so really it doesn't matter anyway. But these occupy protests have already shot their load and annoyed the very people they claim to be "protesting" for. Nobody even knows what they're there for. Is it corruption? Is it no jobs? Is it to keep the McRib around permanently? No one knows. "Shit sucks" is really not a fixable demand.

Are you aware of why they call themselves 99%? The message is very clearly rooted in income inequality. People do know why they are there - that's why the movement keeps growing.

Anyways, how is it that they have annoyed the people they are protesting for.

About 20 million people will congregate this weekend to watch sparkly vampires.

You're not very good at conversation so, I won't respond to anything else you say here but, while the government will not take vampire fans seriously clearly the entertainment industry has... large group, loud voice, many vampire movies.

[underdog]

That's only because Bloomberg didn't want them all stinking up the city for the holiday shoppers. If they want to do something real noticeably they should occupy the tree lighting ceremony.

What shopping is there near the park they were in?

What Bloomberg did was retarded for numerous reasons, but now he has all these protesters going all over the city instead of being confined to one area. He should have just waited them out and let the weather take care of it.

[brettmojo]

Are you aware of why they call themselves 99%? The message is very clearly rooted in income inequality. People do know why they are there - that's why the movement keeps growing.

Anyways, how is it that they have annoyed the people they are protesting for.
Here. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/18/poll-tea-party-occupy-movement_n_1100344.html) Here. (http://www.mediaite.com/online/new-poll-shows-occupy-wall-street-protests-waning-in-popularity/) Ever since it's conception only about a third of the country has supported them. The perception, right or not, is they want shit handed to them. Whether thats a result of the media slant or a the lack of a clear and precise message of change that they want whatever... The protests in Egypt had some sort of leadership or figureheads to voice their demands. That's what this is lacking and it doesn't help that Michael Moore is lurking around it either.

[spoon]

What shopping is there near the park they were in?

What Bloomberg did was retarded for numerous reasons, but now he has all these protesters going all over the city instead of being confined to one area. He should have just waited them out and let the weather take care of it.

the shopping included hair braiding, friendship bracelets and nitrous hits

[Kublakhan61]

Here. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/18/poll-tea-party-occupy-movement_n_1100344.html) Here. (http://www.mediaite.com/online/new-poll-shows-occupy-wall-street-protests-waning-in-popularity/) Ever since it's conception only about a third of the country has supported them. The perception, right or not, is they want shit handed to them. Whether thats a result of the media slant or a the lack of a clear and precise message of change that they want whatever... The protests in Egypt had some sort of leadership or figureheads to voice their demands. That's what this is lacking and it doesn't help that Michael Moore is lurking around it either.

Your survey accounts for 800 people.
I was going to quote the opposite news from a survey that only accounted for 1,002. I didn't do it because 1,000 isn't very many.

Here's the thing -none of us are going to change our opinions here. I was just asking, initially, why it is they shouldn't be taken seriously. We don't seem capable of really getting at that so I'll move on.

[spoon]

i changed mine

I now like crystal pepsi

[underdog]

Your survey accounts for 800 people.
I was going to quote the opposite news from a survey that only accounted for 1,002. I didn't do it because 1,000 isn't very many.

Here's the thing -none of us are going to change our opinions here. I was just asking, initially, why it is they shouldn't be taken seriously. We don't seem capable of really getting at that so I'll move on.

Most people just don't like protesters and will find a "reason" to be against them no matter what.

Sit down, shut up, do what you're told. It's the American way of life.

[HBox]

How about instead of "5 Ways We Ruined the Occupy Wall Street" generation he writes "5 Ways We Ruined The Country" because right now it's a stratified, horribly debted, fractured, dysfunctional shithole.

[spoon]

How about instead of "5 Ways We Ruined the Occupy Wall Street" generation he writes "5 Ways We Ruined The Country" because right now it's a stratified, horribly debted, fractured, dysfunctional shithole.

this

[HBox]

First they get shit on for being lazy. They go to college and work shit jobs. Then all of a sudden they are apathetic and don't care about their shitty situation, or anything really. They protest and they are lazy again.

You know, shit really is all fucked up and bullshit.

[underdog]

shit really is all fucked up and bullshit.

It really was the most accurate sign in the rallies.

[Bob Impact]

I love this blog: http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/11/alt-text-occupy/

As to the "99%" it's typical populist nonsense. Not to mention myopic... want to be in the top 1% of the world? All you need is $47,000/year. Let's see that guy sgive up his money for a guy from Africa who has no access to clean water or sanitation before complaining about getting kicked out of a house because he signed a mortgage he couldn't afford.

What, it's all about NEED right? To each according to his need, from each according to his ability, right? When need (a negative value) is the standard, logic becomes inverted, and nothing can move.

[Snacks]

So now the new thing is saying $47k a year puts you in the top 1%. Ok got it, wonder who is using that to create false stories?

[Jayw]

i changed mine

I now like crystal pepsi

Fuck crystal pepsi, drink Surge.

[Bob Impact]

What exactly is false about it? To the guy making $5,000 a year you DO look like the 1% with $47,000. It actually makes OWS's "1%" looks worse in comparison given their argument.

The point is that its an inherently flawed argument and shows a lack of any kind of global understanding, let alone any compassion for your fellow men, it shows the 1% concept for what it is, a shallow, greed driven attack on anyone with more than you for the simple sin of having more.

Sorry, started wallowing in emotional and logically unsound arguments there... I can almost see why they do it... it' so easy.

[spoon]

What exactly is false about it? To the guy making $5,000 a year you DO look like the 1% with $47,000. It actually makes OWS's "1%" looks worse in comparison given their argument.

The point is that its an inherently flawed argument and shows a lack of any kind of global understanding, let alone any compassion for your fellow men, it shows the 1% concept for what it is, a shallow, greed driven attack on anyone with more than you for the simple sin of having more.

Sorry, started wallowing in emotional and logically unsound arguments there... I can almost see why they do it... it' so easy.

yet it's just symbolic, and I'm sure their message or direction is true to even your take on the concept

bottom line, I had this same argument with someone I usually agree with bc Syd has a different concept of filthy rich than I do...and I refuse to honor $47,000 as the 1% based on a scope that is outside of our industrialized nation and others. if you truly think the divide going back to robber baron days or worse, systems in place/stacked against the common man and getting worse, government losing any touch it once had and being influenced to now record levels in terms of voice and money (now pretty much unlimited) and of course the market devoid of any true regulation which allowed mort backed securities and more to help destroy not only what's left of our economy and nation's value, but what little confidence people had in it...well I simply can't help you there and just like the identity of your literary character god'd identity

[Snacks]

What exactly is false about it? To the guy making $5,000 a year you DO look like the 1% with $47,000. It actually makes OWS's "1%" looks worse in comparison given their argument.

The point is that its an inherently flawed argument and shows a lack of any kind of global understanding, let alone any compassion for your fellow men, it shows the 1% concept for what it is, a shallow, greed driven attack on anyone with more than you for the simple sin of having more.

Sorry, started wallowing in emotional and logically unsound arguments there... I can almost see why they do it... it' so easy.

But that guy making $5k a year isnt mad at the guy making $47k a year because he isnt actually in the top 1% thats a false statement. The argument is based on on the top 1% here in the USA compared to the bottom 99% here.

Occupy Wall Street, Wall Street America and the movement started based on whats going on in our country to our people by our own corporations and politicians!

[StanUpshaw]

So only use the data set that suits you.

That's honest.

[spoon]

So only use the data set that suits you.

That's honest.

in this case sure. not suit you though, it's the data involved in this situation

it's the world they actually live in and have any effect on (as little as that may be)

[HBox]

You guys are arguing over a fucking slogan. Why don't you move on to Where's The Beef next?

"THE BURGER MAY BE SMALL BUT THERE IS CLEARLY BEEF THERE!"

"IT'S SUCH SMALL PATTY THERE MIGHT AS WELL BE NO BEEF! IT'S A RIPOFF!"

[Snacks]

no only use real data that is real. if you truly believe that someone in america making $47k a year is in the top 1% then you are more naive then I ever could have imagined!

[StanUpshaw]

in this case sure. not suit you though, it's the data involved in this situation

it's the world they actually live in and have any effect on (as little as that may be)

Nonsense. They're making a moral argument that vast income disparity is wrong. You can't subject one group of people to certain moral standards, then exempt yourself from those same standards. If you do, then you can't be taken seriously. So I don't.

[spoon]

Nonsense. They're making a moral argument that vast income disparity is wrong. You can't subject one group of people to certain moral standards, then exempt yourself from those same standards. If you do, then you can't be taken seriously. So I don't.

well to be honest, that's your call but I clearly disagree

the odds of having an impact here alone are small enough, to expand the argument only dilutes things ever more and quite simply is too broad a brush

[conman823]

Are you aware of why they call themselves 99%? The message is very clearly rooted in income inequality. People do know why they are there - that's why the movement keeps growing.

Anyways, how is it that they have annoyed the people they are protesting for.



You're not very good at conversation so, I won't respond to anything else you say here but, while the government will not take vampire fans seriously clearly the entertainment industry has... large group, loud voice, many vampire movies.

Is there a pamphlet or something they give you guys to sound like condescending elitist dicks?

I won't bother with a back and forth discorse since i don't want you to have to copy & paste another bullet point snarky reply.

I just want to know if theres a pamphlet or website with "What to say to people who aren't drinking the Kool-Aid".

[spoon]

Is there a pamphlet or something they give you guys to sound like condescending elitist dicks?

I won't bother with a back and forth discorse since i don't want you to have to copy & paste another bullet point snarky reply.

I just want to know if theres a pamphlet or website with "What to say to people who aren't drinking the Kool-Aid".

so wait, I'm confused

are they disorganized or organized?

and who are the elitist dicks now?

:unsure::wacko:

[Bob Impact]

Nonsense. They're making a moral argument that vast income disparity is wrong. You can't subject one group of people to certain moral standards, then exempt yourself from those same standards. If you do, then you can't be taken seriously. So I don't.

Precisely. Well said.

[TripleSkeet]

Regardless they have every right to protest and Bloomburg sending his cops in like stormtroopers with batons ready is not only fucking ridiculous but should also get a much harsher reaction from the public than it has gotten.

[conman823]

Meh, they were given time to leave.

Did everyone forget that the park is privately owned and has posted rules that are being blatantly disregarded. Let them occupy your front lawn for two months.

[spoon]

as soon as I move to wall street

[underdog]

Is there a pamphlet or something they give you guys to sound like condescending elitist dicks?

I won't bother with a back and forth discorse since i don't want you to have to copy & paste another bullet point snarky reply.

I just want to know if theres a pamphlet or website with "What to say to people who aren't drinking the Kool-Aid".

so wait, I'm confused

are they disorganized or organized?

and who are the elitist dicks now?

:unsure::wacko:

yeah, I didn't get that shit either. It's like WF has another username.

I'm not even sure how he came off as condescending. He was asking questions, trying to have a logical discussion.

[Jayw]

Dont believe those crystal pepsi fanatics. The data is false.

The 1% drinks surge.

[furie]

What are the odds of 99% of the occupy movement voting?

[spoon]

What are the odds of 99% of the occupy movement voting?

way less than 1%

[disneyspy]

its back http://www.metro.us/newyork/newyork/article/1111305--f29-occupy-wall-street-back-in-action