Do you think this is racist?

[Tenbatsuzen]

OK, here's the picture:

https://twitter.com/#!/GSElevator/status/151423147940380672/photo/1

Now, yes, it's a black couple. And the standard idea is, if you think it may be racist, then it probably is. But the joke of the picture is where the husband is, not the race of the husband. If the picture was of two white people, the joke would still be funny.

Thoughts?

[keithy_19]

Eh.

[keithy_19]

The interesting thin is if i was a white couple I would assume they were white trash. Is that a form of prejudice?

[TripleSkeet]

No. Next question.

[disneyspy]

The interesting thin is if i was a white couple I would assume they were white trash. Is that a form of prejudice?

interesting. what would you think if it was a mexican couple?

[Tenbatsuzen]

meh, never mind

[disneyspy]

sure we do

http://ravespot.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/abu-ghraib-leash.jpg

[A.J.]

Not if it was a Kwanzaa card.

[Snacks]

its not racist and no one who i know thought that when we received this as an email. its merely pointing out the trash of this couple nothing more nothing less.

[epo]

If you had to ask the question, then its racist.

[keithy_19]

interesting. what would you think if it was a mexican couple?

Why are my tax dollars going towards an illegal in prison?

[JohnGacysCrawlSpace]

I'd say it's accurate.

[Crispy123]

The tweet or email itself, not so racist.

Asking, is this rascist? Borderline racist

I'd say it's accurate.

Definitely racist.

[JohnGacysCrawlSpace]

I calls em how I sees em.

[underdog]

its not racist and no one who i know thought that when we received this as an email. its merely pointing out the trash of this couple nothing more nothing less.

You received this as an email? Who is sending you such shitty emails and why are you friends with them?

[cougarjake13]

If you have to ask if it's racist then it prob is

[Snacks]

You received this as an email? Who is sending you such shitty emails and why are you friends with them?

someone forward it to everyone in their email address that knew me. I think it said something like "why would you use this as your xmas card" or something like that.

[Tenbatsuzen]

For the record: I didn't ask if it was racist. I asked do YOU think it's racist.

I don't think it's racist for the sole reason that if you put a person of any color in the same situation, it's still funny. Therefore, not racist.

We've all seen this picture before:

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/11/23/20/the-most-white-trash-family-photo-ever-taken-19376-1290562379-10.jpg

If they are black, is the picture still funny? Yes.

For example:

http://www.ghettoredhot.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ghetto-pregnant-prom-dress.jpg

If she's white, is the picture still funny? Yes.

Now, the pictures are very INAPPROPRIATE. But it just shows where a line of race and how racism is portrayed can be.

[epo]

This is all about context. Its not just "black picture"/"white picture".

The world isn't "equal" my friend.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This is all about context. Its not just "black picture"/"white picture".

The world isn't "equal" my friend.

The context of the picture is that a trashy couple took a highly inappropriate picture for their Christmas card.

You are putting in your own subtext that people are making fun of them because they are black.

And again: If white people were in this picture, the joke is still there.

The joke isn't "OH MY GOD THEY'RE BLACK" it's "OH MY GOD HE'S IN JAIL"

[Snacks]

This is all about context. Its not just "black picture"/"white picture".

The world isn't "equal" my friend.

are you saying if the picture was of a white couple it wouldnt be as funny making it somehow racist? the idea that anyone of any color would use that as their xmas card is what makes it funny not the color of those in the picture.

[keithy_19]

The joke isn't "OH MY GOD THEY'RE BLACK" it's "OH MY GOD HE'S IN JAIL"

He's a prisoner in his own skin?

You should be ashamed of your comment.

[underdog]

I don't think it's a real christmas card. I've seen that picture before.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And Epo, I know what you mean that because a large portion of the USA's jail population is black, there's racism at work.

But it's also a posed picture. Which means they knew what they were doing. It wasn't like a third party snapped a shot and then said "Ha ha look at what these black people are doing".

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't think it's a real christmas card. I've seen that picture before.

You are correct.

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/photos/xmascard.asp

However, using the picture for a spoof card... still really isn't racist.

[Snoogans]

i can see why it would be taken as racist. especially since there is alot of undertoned stereotypes about blacks in that pic aside from the actual jail shit. puttin a skinny black dude with a fat black chick cause the stereotype is black guys like those massive asses. It is kinda fucked up, yea. If someone was offended by that, i wouldnt be surprised. I dont think its really that offensive, its pretty funny, but i can sure understand why certain people would be pissed

[Melk]

For the record: I didn't ask if it was racist. I asked do YOU think it's racist.

I don't think it's racist for the sole reason that if you put a person of any color in the same situation, it's still funny. Therefore, not racist.

We've all seen this picture before:

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/11/23/20/the-most-white-trash-family-photo-ever-taken-19376-1290562379-10.jpg

If they are black, is the picture still funny? Yes.

For example:

http://www.ghettoredhot.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ghetto-pregnant-prom-dress.jpg

If she's white, is the picture still funny? Yes.

Now, the pictures are very INAPPROPRIATE. But it just shows where a line of race and how racism is portrayed can be.
Funny how?

I wouldn't say either are racist, just disgusting and sad.

[keithy_19]

i can see why it would be taken as racist. especially since there is alot of undertoned stereotypes about blacks in that pic aside from the actual jail shit. puttin a skinny black dude with a fat black chick cause the stereotype is black guys like those massive asses. It is kinda fucked up, yea. If someone was offended by that, i wouldnt be surprised. I dont think its really that offensive, its pretty funny, but i can sure understand why certain people would be pissed

If she was a fat white chick it would have been more realistic. Amirite?

[Snacks]

And Epo, I know what you mean that because a large portion of the USA's jail population is black, there's racism at work.

But it's also a posed picture. Which means they knew what they were doing. It wasn't like a third party snapped a shot and then said "Ha ha look at what these black people are doing".

this is what get me. xmas card or not. who poses for a picture like that and thinks its even worth taking? if it was a white girl taking this picture with her bf behind the glass in jail we would all think the same things.

[keithy_19]

this is what get me. xmas card or not. who poses for a picture like that and thinks its even worth taking? if it was a white girl taking this picture with her bf behind the glass in jail we would all think the same things.

I wonder this about a lot of pictures that have been taken of people.

[underdog]

You are correct.

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/photos/xmascard.asp

However, using the picture for a spoof card... still really isn't racist.

If snacks gets it emailed to him, it's probably not true.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If snacks gets it emailed to him, it's probably not true.

http://mycanceradvisor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/imus1.jpg?84cd58

[Snacks]

If snacks gets it emailed to him, it's probably not true.

so the picture was real just not their xmas card. to be honest it doesnt matter and i think most people didnt really believe it was their xmas card did they? i think someone saw it online and thought what assholes would take this and then post it and decided to make fun by making it a xmas card and sent it out and posted in various places. so in fact the picture is real.

[underdog]

so the picture was real just not their xmas card. to be honest it doesnt matter and i think most people didnt really believe it was their xmas card did they? i think someone saw it online and thought what assholes would take this and then post it and decided to make fun by making it a xmas card and sent it out and posted in various places. so in fact the picture is real.

I was talking about the christmas card, not the picture. The card kept getting talked about like it was real.

[Snoogans]

If she was a fat white chick it would have been more realistic. Amirite?

fair point, but the brothas dont discriminate on that ass. Black, white, spanish, asian, they just want em big

[spoon]

For the record: I didn't ask if it was racist. I asked do YOU think it's racist.

I don't think it's racist for the sole reason that if you put a person of any color in the same situation, it's still funny. Therefore, not racist.

We've all seen this picture before:

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/11/23/20/the-most-white-trash-family-photo-ever-taken-19376-1290562379-10.jpg

If they are black, is the picture still funny? Yes.

For example:

http://www.ghettoredhot.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ghetto-pregnant-prom-dress.jpg

If she's white, is the picture still funny? Yes.

Now, the pictures are very INAPPROPRIATE. But it just shows where a line of race and how racism is portrayed can be.

HA! Classic Tenbats!

Here we go again!

And yes it's racist bc Tenbats brought it up and posted it alone. He's a sure fire racist so you just know WHY HE posted it, not you!

Also, it's patheticly boring and a very weak attempt at humor.

WHERE WE GOIN!

[epo]

are you saying if the picture was of a white couple it wouldnt be as funny making it somehow racist? the idea that anyone of any color would use that as their xmas card is what makes it funny not the color of those in the picture.

You are creating a false equivalency that if this white couple and this black couple were in this exact same circumstances with the exact same photo it would have exactly the same societial implications.

Sorry, the photo is racist.

[epo]

And Epo, I know what you mean that because a large portion of the USA's jail population is black, there's racism at work.

But it's also a posed picture. Which means they knew what they were doing. It wasn't like a third party snapped a shot and then said "Ha ha look at what these black people are doing".

You are correct.

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/photos/xmascard.asp

However, using the picture for a spoof card... still really isn't racist.

The mere fact that its a photo that is used out of context to make a specific point on a "fake Xmas Card" knowing the societial implication should tell you something.

Why didn't they pick a photo of white people? Or asian people?

Instead this "hilarity" comes from a dated photo of an african-american couple.

Bullshit. This is rotten to the core.

[epo]

For the record: I didn't ask if it was racist. I asked do YOU think it's racist.

I don't think it's racist for the sole reason that if you put a person of any color in the same situation, it's still funny. Therefore, not racist.

We've all seen this picture before:

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/11/23/20/the-most-white-trash-family-photo-ever-taken-19376-1290562379-10.jpg

If they are black, is the picture still funny? Yes.

For example:

http://www.ghettoredhot.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ghetto-pregnant-prom-dress.jpg

If she's white, is the picture still funny? Yes.

Now, the pictures are very INAPPROPRIATE. But it just shows where a line of race and how racism is portrayed can be.

How is this a defense? You took a photo marked from "GhettoRedHot.com" and thought that was acceptable?

What planet do you live on?

[spoon]

what epo said

but who knows, perhpas ghettoredhot is his Matty's newest blog?

shiny coins for all!

[Snacks]

You are creating a false equivalency that if this white couple and this black couple were in this exact same circumstances with the exact same photo it would have exactly the same societial implications.

Sorry, the photo is racist.

I guess its how you see the world. I dont look through racist eyes I look see them exactly the same and wouldnt think its any less funny or worse if the picture was of blacks or whites.

[Tenbatsuzen]

How is this a defense? You took a photo marked from "GhettoRedHot.com" and thought that was acceptable?

What planet do you live on?

The picture was the second result doing a google image search for "pregnant prom dress" which was what I was using. I didn't even see the watermark til you brought it up.

And for all you know, that site could be run by African Americans. Who is generalizing now, epo?

[Snacks]

The mere fact that its a photo that is used out of context to make a specific point on a "fake Xmas Card" knowing the societial implication should tell you something.

Why didn't they pick a photo of white people? Or asian people?

Instead this "hilarity" comes from a dated photo of an african-american couple.

Bullshit. This is rotten to the core.

maybe they didnt pick a picture of a white or asian couple doing this because they couldnt find a white or asian couple who took a happy, smiling photo of themselves through prison glass?

[Tenbatsuzen]

The mere fact that its a photo that is used out of context to make a specific point on a "fake Xmas Card" knowing the societial implication should tell you something.

Why didn't they pick a photo of white people? Or asian people?

Instead this "hilarity" comes from a dated photo of an african-american couple.

Bullshit. This is rotten to the core.

How is the photo out of context? Christmas card or not, it's still a posed snapshot in an extremely trashy and inappropriate situation.

Are they two actors posing as a convict and a friend/relative/wife? That would be out of context. Is he actually in a quarantine and just happened to be wearing prisoner orange? Because that would be out of context.

[epo]

The picture was the second result doing a google image search for "pregnant prom dress" which was what I was using. I didn't even see the watermark til you brought it up.

And for all you know, that site could be run by African Americans. Who is generalizing now, epo?

I'm sorry, you are trying to pass off the fact that you did the Google search, and you posted the "hilarious" photo on me?

This is on you. Don't try some modern bizarro false guilt on me, as if I'm to blame for calling you out on your wackjob bullshit.

The photo is racist and built from a racist context. Get over it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

maybe they didnt pick a picture of a white or asian couple doing this because they couldnt find a white or asian couple who took a happy, smiling photo of themselves through prison glass?

This. That's the point. The entire joke is the absurdity of the situation, NOT the color of their skin.

[epo]

what epo said

but who knows, perhpas ghettoredhot is his Matty's newest blog?

shiny coins for all!

Its all class.

But then again, if Matty actually had friends of a diverse background or the historical background of the plight of black in this country he might actually be sensitive towards obvious racist bullshit like this.

Instead, he's fine with this...while the modern world looks down upon him.

[Snoogans]

can we just conclude with the fact that Matty hates black people (and asians) and lock this piece of shit?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm sorry, you are trying to pass off the fact that you did the Google search, and you posted the "hilarious" photo on me?

This is on you. Don't try some modern bizarro false guilt on me, as if I'm to blame for calling you out on your wackjob bullshit.

The photo is racist and built from a racist context. Get over it.

You are going into attack mode. Why? We're trying to have a rational discussion on race and how it's perceived. I knew when I posted what your stance was going to be, but the personal attacks as we discuss this are getting to be annoying and weighing the conversation down.

[Snacks]

another thing that you guys are making racist is the word ghetto. once again many think of the word ghetto and think cheap, poor, trashy etc. not just black.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Its all class.

But then again, if Matty actually had friends of a diverse background or the historical background of the plight of black in this country he might actually be sensitive towards obvious racist bullshit like this.

Instead, he's fine with this...while the modern world looks down upon him.

I'm sorry, you know who I hang out with in real life, or who I've dated?

Again, making sweeping generalizations and talking about things you know NOTHING about.

[PapaBear]

maybe they didnt pick a picture of a white or asian couple doing this because they couldnt find a white or asian couple who took a happy, smiling photo of themselves through prison glass?

This. That's the point. The entire joke is the absurdity of the situation, NOT the color of their skin.
I seriously doubt someone started out looking for a pic of a couple in this situation, and could only found a black couple. Who does a search for "happy prison couple"? Someone randomly stumbled upon this pic posted online. They made a fake Christmas card of it. They did it, because they are racist.

[epo]

You are going into attack mode. Why? We're trying to have a rational discussion on race and how it's perceived. I knew when I posted what your stance was going to be, but the personal attacks as we discuss this are getting to be annoying and weighing the conversation down.

I have no clue how a supposed grown-up in the tri-state area looks at that photo and thinks to himself "is this racist?".

I'd expect that from someone in North Dakota...not from Jersey.

Don't blame me because you look like a jerkoff.

[Snoogans]

I'm sorry, you know who I hang out with in real life, or who I've dated?

Again, making sweeping generalizations and talking about things you know NOTHING about.

if you have so many black friends, why didnt you just ask them if they think its racist? why even ask us, go to the source? I think its safe to deduce you are close enough to any black people to ask

[spoon]

can we just conclude with the fact that Matty hates black people (and asians) and lock this piece of shit?

ha!

why lock a fun thread with awesome jokes! I'm sure he'd send that funny joke to his african american boss if he had one right!?

[Snoogans]

I seriously doubt someone started out looking for a pic of a couple in this situation, and could only found a black couple. Who does a search for "happy prison couple"? Someone randomly stumbled upon this pic posted online. They made a fake Christmas card of it. They did it, because they are racist.

you have never seen a prison, i guess

[Tenbatsuzen]

another thing that you guys are making racist is the word ghetto. once again many think of the word ghetto and think cheap, poor, trashy etc. not just black.

I think, unfortunately, since the 60-70's, the word "ghetto" has mainly been associated with people of color.

[Snoogans]

I think, unfortunately, since the 60-70's, the word "ghetto" has mainly been associated with people of color.

yea, and the germans put those dirty jews there before that. And that had NOTHING to do with race

[PapaBear]

you have never seen a prison, i guess
I was referring to Snack's post. He brought up the idea that someone was looking for a pic like this, and the only reason they picked that particular one, was because they couldn't find one like it of another race. It's an absurd scenario.

[epo]

I'm sorry, you know who I hang out with in real life, or who I've dated?

Again, making sweeping generalizations and talking about things you know NOTHING about.

If you had talked about how the average white family has 7 times the wealth of a black family in this country, and under this context what does this photo say about the plight of the economically disadvantaged in this country? I would have been up for your "rational" discussion.

Instead your very premise of "Do you think this is racist?" kicked in....which it is.

That photo is definitely racist.

[Snoogans]

I think, unfortunately, since the 60-70's, the word "ghetto" has mainly been associated with people of color.

people of color? stop being such a fag. How bout you just not be a pussy and say black people, and if you are gonna go pc, say minorities. People of color makes you sound like a racist who is tryin to be eloquent in his speech

[Tenbatsuzen]

I have no clue how a supposed grown-up in the tri-state area looks at that photo and thinks to himself "is this racist?".

I'd expect that from someone in North Dakota...not from Jersey.

Don't blame me because you look like a jerkoff.

I said it was inappropriate. The entire point of the thread was to spark mature discussion about the subject about race and how it's perceived. I should have known better that it wouldn't have.

The whole point, which I said 4 times now, that if the people in the picture were white, the situation is still funny.

Perhaps the intention of the original card was done by a racist. Who knows. But the picture itself is absurd.

[Snacks]

another thing that you guys are making racist is the word ghetto. once again many think of the word ghetto and think cheap, poor, trashy etc. not just black.

white hand and called ghetto,

http://www.ghettoredhot.com/ghetto-christmas-nails/

do we know what color the people who made this are?

then why assume its blacks? because the word ghetto? then you are all racist because you associate only blacks being poor or "ghetto"

http://www.ghettoredhot.com/college-christmas-tree/

oh no a white guy and hes listed on a site called "ghetto" no but that word is only for black people.

http://www.ghettoredhot.com/christmas-bud-light/


maybe you should look into your own thought process and see that you have programmed yourselves to think anything that shows blacks in a lesser light to be racist isnt racist. maybe in some cases its true but in most these assholes are all just trying to be funny. the funny think is im usually the one who hates jokes made about people like this but i have to defend the racist aspect because too many people love to throw the word racist around for every little fucking thing.

[Snoogans]

I was referring to Snack's post. He brought up the idea that someone was looking for a pic like this, and the only reason they picked that particular one, was because they couldn't find one like it of another race. It's an absurd scenario.

and i was sayin if you have ever seen prisons, there is probably a good chance you couldnt find a happy couple of white people in there. sadly, based on demographics of prison, i think there is a decent chance if you typed prison you wouldnt find many others. Jail is a different story, but prisons are very heavy black. White people generally tend to be in jails.

[spoon]

i pretty much can sum up any "rational discussion" in a tenbats thread


Just think of that creepy uncle/friend of the family everyone dodges at every get together/party bc his conversations always devolve into utter idiocy and pure nonsense. After one pour soul gets trapped or ditched with person, everyone feels terrible for them, but are happy it wasn't them and it's the conversation piece as soon as they FINALLY leave. It's awful but fun all wrapped into one, but yah, he's a racist and talking to him is to be completely uncomfortable.

[PapaBear]

and i was sayin if you have ever seen prisons, there is probably a good chance you couldnt find a happy couple of white people in there. sadly, based on demographics of prison, i think there is a decent chance if you typed prison you wouldnt find many others. Jail is a different story, but prisons are very heavy black. White people generally tend to be in jails.
I totally agree. But the very first post in this thread posed the question "Do you think this is racist?" It's obviously racist. Whoever made the fake Christmas card, posted it on Twitter, because they are racist.

[Snoogans]

I totally agree. But the very first post in this thread posed the question "Do you think this is racist?" It's obviously racist. Whoever made the fake Christmas card, posted it on Twitter, because they are racist.

i agree it wasnt cause they couldnt find a white one, im sure they didnt try. but i think they also might not have found a white one was all i was sayin

[epo]

I said it was inappropriate. The entire point of the thread was to spark mature discussion about the subject about race and how it's perceived. I should have known better that it wouldn't have.

The whole point, which I said 4 times now, that if the people in the picture were white, the situation is still funny.

Perhaps the intention of the original card was done by a racist. Who knows. But the picture itself is absurd.

Maybe you should've presented it in a mature manner, and you would've gotten the response you were looking for.

We could've discussed the black/white disparity of wealth.
We could've discussed what family wealth means for prison rates.
We could've discussed the ridiculous trend of black v white prison rate.

Instead you posted photoshopped Xmas cards and pictures from GhettoRedHot.com.

This shit is on you Matty. There is NOBODY else to blame.

[Tenbatsuzen]

if you have so many black friends, why didnt you just ask them if they think its racist? why even ask us, go to the source? I think its safe to deduce you are close enough to any black people to ask

Because I stupidly wanted to try and create a mature conversation here. Oops.

[Snacks]

I was referring to Snack's post. He brought up the idea that someone was looking for a pic like this, and the only reason they picked that particular one, was because they couldn't find one like it of another race. It's an absurd scenario.

I didnt say someone was looking for said pic but they might have just come across this picture and it just so happened to be a black couple in it. The fact is this picture was posed for and taken by blacks you can say everything is racist. When people put themselves in these situations and then later on are made fun of how is it automatically racist? If you were friends with this couple and the girl posted this on her facebook page what would you say or do? would you not laugh, would you not show your other friends and say "look at the stupid picture she took with her boyfriend" etc? Of course you would so are you now racist for thinking this?

Oh and the person who emailed it to me was black and he got it because it was tweeted out by ochocinco and was trending a few weeks back. I just did a search on twitter for "ghetto xmas card" and the 1st 10 people who tweeted it are black. Its funny and about the picture not the color of the people.

[epo]

Because I stupidly wanted to try and create a mature conversation here. Oops.

If that's the case, you should've framed the discussion in a mature fashion.

This thread is on you.

[spoon]

Because I stupidly wanted to try and create a mature conversation here. Oops.

poor matty

:glurps:

[Tenbatsuzen]

Maybe you should've presented it in a mature manner, and you would've gotten the response you were looking for.

We could've discussed the black/white disparity of wealth.
We could've discussed what family wealth means for prison rates.
We could've discussed the ridiculous trend of black v white prison rate.

Instead you posted photoshopped Xmas cards and pictures from GhettoRedHot.com.

This shit is on you Matty. There is NOBODY else to blame.

Interestingly enough, we were having a good discussion til you started posting.

[Snacks]

Interestingly enough, we were having a good discussion til you started posting.

even though Im siding with you on this not being racist why do you argue with people who wont change their mind? State your opinion, try to prove why you think the way you do and and end it. You try to fight back when all fighting back is doing is making you look foolish. I dont think you are wrong here other then you started this thread to start a fight because you knew that some, especially epo no matter what would find this racist (even if its not).

You do cause your own problems.

[spoon]

Interestingly enough, we were having a good discussion til you started posting.

oh no he didn't!

he just laid the mature smack down on you Dude! style!


You're right Tenbats, you are the beacon of light on the road to maturity! I've always thought this and now I finally get to help the world see you shine!

[epo]

Interestingly enough, we were having a good discussion til you started posting.

I was Post 10 on Page 1. Compliance from Keithy is hardly a "good discussion".

Face it, you got challenged on your racist premise and lost.

End of "good discussion".

[PapaBear]

If something like this had been posted with a readneck couple, it most likely would have been posted by a white person (and most likely a redneck). Though you see black comedians joking about whites and rednecks, there simply isn't a huge proliferation of Internet memes about whites that are created by blacks. The vast majority of degrading memes that feature blacks, are posted by racists. It simply doesn't work the other way around.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If that's the case, you should've framed the discussion in a mature fashion.

This thread is on you.

https://twitter.com/#!/cvonparchman/status/148957815761928193

So there's a random African-American gentleman posting it and enjoying the humor. Are you still going to say it's racist, or are you going to try and frame the discussion that white people and black people can't laugh at the same things?

[spoon]

and while I disagree on everything/every point both you and Matty put forth here, at least you can see him for what he is

it'd be fine if he just fought too, but he plays the maturity card, then the poor me card, usually followed by the alert the mods card and of course the go full racist card a-bomb style

simply put, he can never hang or take a punch, so he cries...most of the time after starting the nonsense or fight

[epo]

https://twitter.com/#!/cvonparchman/status/148957815761928193

So there's a random African-American gentleman posting it and enjoying the humor. Are you still going to say it's racist, or are you going to try and frame the discussion that white people and black people can't laugh at the same things?

Logical fallacy: "Appeal to authority"

Look, a black person on the Twitter agree with me, so my bullshit is totally justified!

[spoon]

https://twitter.com/#!/cvonparchman/status/148957815761928193

So there's a random African-American gentleman posting it and enjoying the humor. Are you still going to say it's racist, or are you going to try and frame the discussion that white people and black people can't laugh at the same things?

hahahaha!

argument over, matty wins

it's clearly not racist in any way now!


:lol::wallbash::lol::wallbash:

[Snacks]

and while I disagree on everything/every point both you and Matty put forth here, at least you can see him for what he is

it'd be fine if he just fought too, but he plays the maturity card, then the poor me card, usually followed by the alert the mods card and of course the go full racist card a-bomb style

simply put, he can never hang or take a punch, so he cries...most of the time after starting the nonsense or fight

are you talking to me in this post? if so im telling a mod and asking him to ban you for starting shit with me!

[Tenbatsuzen]

If something like this had been posted with a readneck couple, it most likely would have been posted by a white person (and most likely a redneck). Though you see black comedians joking about whites and rednecks, there simply isn't a huge proliferation of Internet memes about whites that are created by blacks. The vast majority of degrading memes that feature blacks, are posted by racists. It simply doesn't work the other way around.

So any joke about black culture has been done by a racist? And white people can't laugh at jokes about black culture?

[PapaBear]

https://twitter.com/#!/cvonparchman/status/148957815761928193 (https://twitter.com/#%21/cvonparchman/status/148957815761928193)

So there's a random African-American gentleman posting it and enjoying the humor. Are you still going to say it's racist, or are you going to try and frame the discussion that white people and black people can't laugh at the same things?
Blacks aren't excluded from using racist humor against blacks, in the same way that whites tell redneck jokes. But as I said before, there is no huge level of blacks using racist humor against whites. There has ALWAYS been a huge level of whites using racist humor against blacks.

[PapaBear]

So any joke about black culture has been done by a racist? And white people can't laugh at jokes about black culture?
See my post that came after this one.

[Snacks]

Blacks aren't excluded from using racist humor against blacks, in the same way that whites tell redneck jokes. But as I said before, there is no huge level of blacks using racist humor against whites. There has ALWAYS been a huge level of whites using racist humor against blacks.

How do you know this? that is just some random statement that cant be proven. In 1 comment you say that black comedians joke about whites all the time but you think only whites are the ones who make memes? That comment is racist, its like you are saying that blacks cant be funny or cruel enough or have the knowledge or know how when it comes to making these memes? come on Im sure there are plenty of black computer geeks out there making black memes and white ones.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Blacks aren't excluded from using racist humor against blacks, in the same way that whites tell redneck jokes. But as I said before, there is no huge level of blacks using racist humor against whites. There has ALWAYS been a huge level of whites using racist humor against blacks.

Until anyone can prove the Christmas Card was created by a white person, any attempt to claim racism on this fails.

We can discuss it, but you cannot say for 100 percent certainty this was done by a racist.

[spoon]

just stop talking


it really is your only ally...well that and snacks

[PapaBear]

How do you know this? that is just some random statement that cant be proven. In 1 comment you say that black comedians joke about whites all the time but you think only whites are the ones who make memes? That comment is racist, its like you are saying that blacks cant be funny or cruel enough or have the knowledge or know how when it comes to making these memes? come on Im sure there are plenty of black computer geeks out there making black memes and white ones.
Where did I say only whites make memes? I talked about PROLIFERATION! There simply is NO proliferation of racist "comedy" about whites, that is created by blacks. There is a HUGE proliferation of racist "comedy" about blacks, that has been created by whites.

[epo]

Until anyone can prove the Christmas Card was created by a white person, any attempt to claim racism on this fails.

We can discuss it, but you cannot say for 100 percent certainty this was done by a racist.

Hooray: The fallacy of many questions!

Until you prove Matty's shitty point false, Matty is correct within his shitty point!

Sorry, its still a racist premise.

[Judge Smails]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b47/alden97/278121xai86p1j.gif

[Snacks]

Where did I say only whites make memes? I talked about PROLIFERATION! There simply is NO proliferation of racist "comedy" about whites, that is created by blacks. There is a HUGE proliferation of racist "comedy" about blacks, that has been created by whites.

have you ever watched a black comedian, any of them? they make jokes and racist ones against whites more then anything else. I would say they make more jokes about whites then white comedians make about blacks 10 fold. Black comedians get away with shit about all races whites and their own that whites would never get away with.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Logical fallacy: "Appeal to authority"

Look, a black person on the Twitter agree with me, so my bullshit is totally justified!

Half your posts in this thread have been appeals to spite. Starting with the redhotghetto comment, not knowing if the person who runs that site is black or not.

[Snacks]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b47/alden97/278121xai86p1j.gif

thats racists.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hooray: The fallacy of many questions!

Until you prove Matty's shitty point false, Matty is correct within his shitty point!

Sorry, its still a racist premise.

Burden of proof.

[epo]

Half your posts in this thread have been appeals to spite. Starting with the redhotghetto comment, not knowing if the person who runs that site is black or not.

Blame the middle much? Could you be any more illogical?

Sorry, its still a racist premise.

[epo]

Burden of proof.

I started the thread? You're adorable.

Sorry, its still a racist premise Matty!

[spoon]

Could you be any more illogical?



Have you heard his stance on Mangold?

:lol:

[PapaBear]

have you ever watched a black comedian, any of them? they make jokes and racist ones against whites more then anything else. I would say they make more jokes about whites then white comedians make about blacks 10 fold. Black comedians get away with shit about all races whites and their own that whites would never get away with.
I brought up black comedians to begin with. The reason I did, is because the majority of the jokes they tell about white people, are told to a white audience! They get away with doing it, because of white guilt. Why is there white guilt? Because so many whites are inwardly racist, even though they want to pretend they aren't.

If white comedians could make massive amounts of money telling black jokes, they would. But the pic that started this thread had nothing to do with comedians.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Blame the middle much? Could you be any more illogical?

Sorry, its still a racist premise.

The claim: It's not racist because the picture would still be funny with white people in it.

Epo says the Christmas card is racist without knowing who created the Christmas card and ignoring the fact that the setup would still be funny with white people involved. He also ignores evidence that black people - including a famous NFL football player - have posted the picture.

I just want to make sure this whole thing is crystal clear.

[spoon]

Oh it's plenty clear...and nobody is buying your bullshit cliff notes.

How long until "Dude!" comes in and sticks up for you big David Duke wannabe!

[PapaBear]

The claim: It's not racist because the picture would still be funny with white people in it.
My personal opinion... It would have never been posted, if it was a white (or any other race) couple.

[Tenbatsuzen]

My personal opinion... It would have never been posted, if it was a white (or any other race) couple.

Because white trash isn't a hot source for memes? Are you KIDDING me?

[PapaBear]

Because white trash isn't a hot source for memes? Are you KIDDING me?
They are. But the context wouldn't have been prison.

[spoon]

Can someone just change the topic of this thread for Matty to, "Do you think I'm a racist?"

[PapaBear]

Can someone just change the topic of this thread for Matty to, "Do you think I'm a racist?"
No one is here to serve your need for Matty hatred.

EDIT: And for the record... I'm not saying he is racist. I was only giving my opinion about his original question.

[spoon]

No one is here to serve your need for Matty hatred.

says you!

and it's a much better question to be honest

[PapaBear]

says you!

and it's a much better question to be honest
Don't ask it.

[epo]

The claim: It's not racist because the picture would still be funny with white people in it.

Epo says the Christmas card is racist without knowing who created the Christmas card and ignoring the fact that the setup would still be funny with white people involved. He also ignores evidence that black people - including a famous NFL football player - have posted the picture.

I just want to make sure this whole thing is crystal clear.

Wait...so a famous NFL Football player posted it?

Then it must be funny by Matty's logic!

Its "crystal clear"...Matty's original premise is still racist.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wait...so a famous NFL Football player posted it?

Then it must be funny by Matty's logic!

Its "crystal clear"...Matty's original premise is still racist.

Personal attacks. (not accusing, just pointing out another fallacy)

[spoon]

Don't ask it.

good point, don't waste everyone's time

he is and everyone knows it

[epo]

Personal attacks. (not accusing, just pointing out another fallacy)

I'm sorry, when did I start this illogical thread?

Oh wait, Matty is trying to shift the blame for his bullshit.

[spoon]

anyone up for the All In The Family marathon on Turner Classics tomorrow? I hear it's going to be hosted by none other than Michael Richards!

[PapaBear]

Its "crystal clear"...Matty's original premise is still racist.

Personal attacks. (not accusing, just pointing out another fallacy)

In my mind, epo was giving an opinion. It wasn't a personal attack.

he is and everyone knows it
THAT was a personal attack. Don't do it again.

[spoon]

It's not a personal attack, it's personal. Just go read some old threads my friend. Or just check out his blog to this day. Oh wait, I'm sure those were just good jokes too, you know, like this tweet!

:wallbash:

[PapaBear]

It's not a personal attack, it's personal. Just go read some old threads my friend. Or just check out his blog to this day. Oh wait, I'm sure those were just good jokes too, you know, like this tweet!

:wallbash:
I'm not interested in what he says about you, or anyone else in his blog or anyone's tweets. You said everyone knows he's racist, and you said it HERE.

[spoon]

well guess what pb, i am and don't care what interests you especially now that you have this shitty tone

[PapaBear]

well guess what pb, i am and don't care what interests you especially now that you have this shitty tone
I understand your concerns. But it has nothing to do with this thread. Drop it.

[underdog]

I have no clue how a supposed grown-up in the tri-state area looks at that photo and thinks to himself "is this racist?".

I'd expect that from someone in North Dakota...not from Jersey.

Don't blame me because you look like a jerkoff.

Have you not been to Jersey before?

[disneyspy]

Have you not been to Jersey before?

i hear they all drive in the left lane

[sailor]

i think it comes across as racist. i think the "If you had to ask the question, then its racist." is childish tho.

[Snoogans]

Have you not been to Jersey before?

thats very hurtful. PERSONAL ATTACKS. BAN HIM. BAN THIS MAN

[Tenbatsuzen]

if you have so many black friends, why didnt you just ask them if they think its racist? why even ask us, go to the source? I think its safe to deduce you are close enough to any black people to ask

Fair enough. I just asked a black female friend.

She did not know the picture in question, so I showed it to her. She laughed, and then I asked her if she felt it was racist. Her response:

No, I dont think so at all. I mean it's stereotypical, but there's no blatant racism such as the use of the word "n****r" or such.

And I think stereotypical is an excellent word to use in this situation. It is a stereotype, but using stereotypes does not always equal racism.

[Snoogans]

Fair enough. I just asked a black female friend.

She did not know the picture in question, so I showed it to her. She laughed, and then I asked her if she felt it was racist. Her response:



And I think stereotypical is an excellent word to use in this situation. It is a stereotype, but using stereotypes does not always equal racism.

i think she and you are both stupid if you really think the word nigger has to be there for something to be racist.


also, stop being a fag. just type nigger. everyone is gonna know what you mean.

[weekapaugjz]

Fair enough. I just asked a black female friend.

you do realize that one anecdote could not possibly confirm or dispel something as institutionalized as racism, right?

[Tenbatsuzen]

i think she and you are both stupid if you really think the word nigger has to be there for something to be racist.


also, stop being a fag. just type nigger. everyone is gonna know what you mean.

That was her opinion. Not mine. I know that racism can be displayed without the standard hate speech.

[Tenbatsuzen]

you do realize that one anecdote could not possibly confirm or dispel something as institutionalized as racism, right?

I know, but Snoogans said "go ask a black friend". So I did. The point was mainly made to Snoogan's challenge, not the original idea to what people perceive as racism.

[spoon]

This thread is matty's take (and usual tact) on Tom Wolfe's "man from Mars approach" with a fool's flair for the dramatic spread on thick.

[sailor]

also, stop being a fag. just type nigger. everyone is gonna know what you mean.

especially quoting her.

[realmenhatelife]

I didn't find it particularly racist, but it could very easily be put in a racist context.