American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) how lobbyist/Corps are writing our laws

[hanso]

Our politicians are no longer middle puppets for corporations and lobbyists thanks to this endeavour by the conservative right.

In fact powerful lobbyists write templates used to create laws that cover many states.

Stand your ground
Voter ID
Anti-abortion ...the list goes on as states get flooded with nonsensical laws that emanate from this organization.

ALEC – American Legislative Exchange Council abortion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_Council
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[hanso]

Coke and Pepsi abandon conservative group over voter ID, gun laws
UPDATE: Kraft to pull support from ALEC

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/05/coke-and-pepsi-abandon-conservative-group-over-voter-id-gun-laws/

Though the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) was formed almost 40 years to organize conservative state legislators and allow them to share and replicate one another’s legislative ideas — and has been “soliciting more input from private sector members” about what is good for them for more than 20 years — it wasn’t until recently that it attracted almost any scrutiny for its promulgation of everything from Stand Your Ground laws to voter ID to business-friendly tort reforms. That increased scrutiny may have just started to get costly for ALEC.

[harvey_birdman]

I'm certainly not surprised that politicians pass laws that they haven't even read.

One law I would like to see is to make it a criminal offense to vote affirmative on a law that the politician doesn't affirm under penalty of perjury to have read.

But of course the Coalition of the Illiterate would cry discrimination.

[keithy_19]

I'm certainly not surprised that politicians pass laws that they haven't even read.

One law I would like to see is to make it a criminal offense to vote affirmative on a law that the politician doesn't affirm under penalty of perjury to have read.

But of course the Coalition of the Illiterate would cry discrimination.

Wait, you don't just drink on here?

[epo]

ALEC, that's the basis for nearly every shitty law that Wisconsin passed in the last year.

Fucking awful.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

People need ID to apply for gov't entitlements, Why not voting?. Since we are on topic why do we need voting guides in dozens of languages?

Abortion shouldn't be a federal Issue. Thanks Roe vs Wade. But since people are bitching about transvag devices, does an abortion involve just making the baby disappear? Something still needs to go up the vag to abort it.


Dont like Stand your ground? Theres a ton of states in the Northeast you can move to.

[spoon]

People need ID to apply for gov't entitlements, Why not voting?. Since we are on topic why do we need voting guides in dozens of languages?

Abortion shouldn't be a federal Issue. Thanks Roe vs Wade. But since people are bitching about transvag devices, does an abortion involve just making the baby disappear? Something still needs to go up the vag to abort it.


Dont like Stand your ground? Theres a ton of states in the Northeast you can move to.

no dif in working for and voting right?

dozens of languages, why not? this is the US

abortion should be a federal issue in that you can't ban it nationwide, not state to state. it shouldn't STILL be in the news or a concern though. Don't want one, great have the baby.

stand your ground laws aren't very logical and surely can and will cause trouble. how about every damn case just be judged on a case by case basis versus laws like this in an effort to do what? stop crime...yah right. move to another state bc you don't like something, genius. you are quite a gem. should I say the same to you bc you don't like our president and or the abortion law being national?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

no dif in working for and voting right?

dozens of languages, why not? this is the US

abortion should be a federal issue in that you can't ban it nationwide, not state to state. it shouldn't STILL be in the news or a concern though. Don't want one, great have the baby.

stand your ground laws aren't very logical and surely can and will cause trouble. how about every damn case just be judged on a case by case basis versus laws like this in an effort to do what? stop crime...yah right. move to another state bc you don't like something, genius. you are quite a gem. should I say the same to you bc you don't like our president and or the abortion law being national?

Voting has no responsibility?

Should be in English only. Our declaration and Constitution were written in English. A basic understanding of english is needed to be a citizen only citizens should vote. It costs money to print in different languages.

Again leave it to states to determine stand your ground. So would you advocate a national dog leash law? Thats why this is a federal republic. NYC Has strict dog leash laws because there are 7 million people and its crowded. On a ranch in Texas you dont need a leash, theres acres of open space.

I happen to be pro choice but included in that pro choice should be the choice for states to have their own abortion laws.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Obviously it'd help the country if most of the south was aborted.

[spoon]

Voting has no responsibility?

Should be in English only. Our declaration and Constitution were written in English. A basic understanding of english is needed to be a citizen only citizens should vote. It costs money to print in different languages.

Again leave it to states to determine stand your ground. So would you advocate a national dog leash law? Thats why this is a federal republic. NYC Has strict dog leash laws because there are 7 million people and its crowded. On a ranch in Texas you dont need a leash, theres acres of open space.

I happen to be pro choice but included in that pro choice should be the choice for states to have their own abortion laws.

of course it does, but id's don't make you responsible (registration is plenty as we know this rouse on ids here)

English is NOT our national language, so try again. you can push your isolationist bs all you want, it's still bs

there's a MAJOR difference bt laws for the people as a whole in a crowded city (people and cars) and the bs stand your ground point. your contrasting laws here are fucking pathetic as much as they are hilarious.

and abortion infringes on the rights of everyone whether you are pro-choice or not. there are plenty of laws that belong on a national level, this is clearly one of them. I'll make an equally ridiculous comparison since it's all you can comprehend. Should some states be able to just go back to segregation/separate but equal and others not go back to fucking stone age? States rights do not trump human rights and or choices/freedoms.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

of course it does, but id's don't make you responsible (registration is plenty as we know this rouse on ids here)

English is NOT our national language, so try again. you can push your isolationist bs all you want, it's still bs

there's a MAJOR difference bt laws for the people as a whole in a crowded city (people and cars) and the bs stand your ground point. your contrasting laws here are fucking pathetic as much as they are hilarious.

and abortion infringes on the rights of everyone whether you are pro-choice or not. there are plenty of laws that belong on a national level, this is clearly one of them. I'll make an equally ridiculous comparison since it's all you can comprehend. Should some states be able to just go back to segregation/separate but equal and others not go back to fucking stone age? States rights do not trump human rights and or choices/freedoms.

What language is the declaration and constitution in? No one said that you cant speak another language but if you want to participate in the democratic (small d) process you should know english. Again its needed to become a citizen. Follow the path

How is it pathetic? You sound like you want a national democracy. So should marriage and driving laws be uniformed and set at the federal level? Those affect the population too.

Separate but equal like 47% not paying federal income tax. Is that equal protection under the law?

[spoon]

What language is the declaration and constitution in? No one said that you cant speak another language but if you want to participate in the democratic (small d) process you should know english. Again its needed to become a citizen. Follow the path

How is it pathetic? You sound like you want a national democracy. So should marriage and driving laws be uniformed and set at the federal level? Those affect the population too.

Separate but equal like 47% not paying federal income tax. Is that equal protection under the law?

Follow the path? Ha! I guess that's what the founding father's INFERRED by simply writing their documents in their natural language. And I guess all non-english speaking countries are fucked, "bc you should know english if you want to participate in the democratic (small d (cute)) process". Better brush up on my latin to while I'm at it right?

And yes, many driving laws are uniform and marriage options for all should pretty much be the same for anyone looking to do so, in any part of this country. It's about human rights once again on the marriage issue. Logic and common sense dictates the driving laws being uniform.

Seriously, I think you get off on being purposely backwards on so much and I'm about one post away from being scolded by Udog for even talking to you, much less trying convince you of anything amidst your constant ploys and pot shots at all your common themes in the face of actual conversation. Pretty much sums up most of your post, especially the LUDICROUS rallying cry about 47% not paying income tax. It's been completely destroyed and as Maher says, get out of the fucking bubble.

http://decollins1969.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/6195502624_68b02d4bb01.jpg

[Syd]

of course it does, but id's don't make you responsible (registration is plenty as we know this rouse on ids here)

English is NOT our national language, so try again. you can push your isolationist bs all you want, it's still bs

there's a MAJOR difference bt laws for the people as a whole in a crowded city (people and cars) and the bs stand your ground point. your contrasting laws here are fucking pathetic as much as they are hilarious.

and abortion infringes on the rights of everyone whether you are pro-choice or not. there are plenty of laws that belong on a national level, this is clearly one of them. I'll make an equally ridiculous comparison since it's all you can comprehend. Should some states be able to just go back to segregation/separate but equal and others not go back to fucking stone age? States rights do not trump human rights and or choices/freedoms.

The fallacy with states rights is that if states rights were to happen, they'd start asking for county rights because County X is forcing laws that they don't like on them. Then after county rights, it becomes municipality rights because community X is passing laws that they don't like. Eventually you have like room rights and you start advocating for immediate vicinity rights because Dad keeps telling you to turn off the computer at midnight. It sounds great in concept but the reality of the situation is, you're not important. Libertarians generally don't like hearing that because they have an inflated sense of self-worth that they're somehow more special than the 7 billion other people.

States rights doesn't work -- if it did, then we'd still have the Articles of Confederation. Unfortunately for states rights advocates it didn't even last 6 years because every state was moving in a completely different direction. America already tried states rights, and it failed. States rights now is just a dogwhistle that was used to enable racism to become a key component of the southern strategy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Follow the path? Ha! I guess that's what the founding father's INFERRED by simply writing their documents in their natural language. And I guess all non-english speaking countries are fucked, "bc you should know english if you want to participate in the democratic (small d (cute)) process". Better brush up on my latin to while I'm at it right?

And yes, many driving laws are uniform and marriage options for all should pretty much be the same for anyone looking to do so, in any part of this country. It's about human rights once again on the marriage issue. Logic and common sense dictates the driving laws being uniform.

Seriously, I think you get off on being purposely backwards on so much and I'm about one post away from being scolded by Udog for even talking to you, much less trying convince you of anything amidst your constant ploys and pot shots at all your common themes in the face of actual conversation. Pretty much sums up most of your post, especially the LUDICROUS rallying cry about 47% not paying income tax. It's been completely destroyed and as Maher says, get out of the fucking bubble.

http://decollins1969.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/6195502624_68b02d4bb01.jpg



Lobby your representative in your district, Go for that article V convention if you want that democracy you crave so much. Get the ball rolling

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The fallacy with states rights is that if states rights were to happen, they'd start asking for county rights because County X is forcing laws that they don't like on them. Then after county rights, it becomes municipality rights because community X is passing laws that they don't like. Eventually you have like room rights and you start advocating for immediate vicinity rights because Dad keeps telling you to turn off the computer at midnight. It sounds great in concept but the reality of the situation is, you're not important. Libertarians generally don't like hearing that because they have an inflated sense of self-worth that they're somehow more special than the 7 billion other people.

States rights doesn't work -- if it did, then we'd still have the Articles of Confederation. Unfortunately for states rights advocates it didn't even last 6 years because every state was moving in a completely different direction. America already tried states rights, and it failed. States rights now is just a dogwhistle that was used to enable racism to become a key component of the southern strategy.



There are certain functions which the federal government serves a purpose. For example I dont want to convert my money if Im going to NY. The articles of confederation wanted states to have their own currency and postage system.


If Alabama wants to teach that 1 plus 1 equals god then let them. Let states compete and you will have a better country.


Do you want a totally incorporated constitution ?

[spoon]

no no wf, I'm fine with no ids to vote, abortion being an individual choice and plenty in this conversion

and it's you who basically said if you ever disagree with a law in your state one should just move versus fight for your side/opinion...not all of us just tuck our tail and run, but rather fight bad laws (they happen) and stop bad ideas from being instituted

but tell me more about wars in lybia now, obama's wife cutting care in her hospital or whatever the hot button is for today to add to your shit pile a rallying cries

it literally never stops

not one person claimed the dems are squeaky clean, or even close for that matter

it just so happens that for this moment in time they are the lesser of evils more often

[spoon]

There are certain functions which the federal government serves a purpose. For example I dont want to convert my money if Im going to NY. The articles of confederation wanted states to have their own currency and postage system.


If Alabama wants to teach that 1 plus 1 equals god then let them. Let states compete and you will have a better country.


Do you want a totally incorporated constitution ?

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

no no wf, I'm fine with no ids to vote, abortion being an individual choice and plenty in this conversion

and it's you who basically said if you ever disagree with a law in your state one should just move versus fight for your side/opinion...not all of us just tuck our tail and run, but rather fight bad laws (they happen) and stop bad ideas from being instituted

but tell me more about wars in lybia now, obama's wife cutting care in her hospital or whatever the hot button is for today to add to your shit pile a rallying cries

it literally never stops

not one person claimed the dems are squeaky clean, or even close for that matter

it just so happens that for this moment in time they are the lesser of evils more often

Each state is different. Do you want a top down uniformed style of laws for ALL states. So should Idaho and Montana to have public transportation and apartment buildings? This country's land mass is about 3 million square miles what works in the tri state area doesnt work in big sky country


The dems and the GOP are basically the same just with different people promising shit they cant deliver so they are both equally evil.

[StanUpshaw]

The fallacy with states rights is that if states rights were to happen, they'd start asking for county rights because County X is forcing laws that they don't like on them. Then after county rights, it becomes municipality rights because community X is passing laws that they don't like. Eventually you have like room rights and you start advocating for immediate vicinity rights because Dad keeps telling you to turn off the computer at midnight. It sounds great in concept but the reality of the situation is, you're not important. Libertarians generally don't like hearing that because they have an inflated sense of self-worth that they're somehow more special than the 7 billion other people.

States rights doesn't work -- if it did, then we'd still have the Articles of Confederation. Unfortunately for states rights advocates it didn't even last 6 years because every state was moving in a completely different direction. America already tried states rights, and it failed. States rights now is just a dogwhistle that was used to enable racism to become a key component of the southern strategy.

Individual rights? What a concept!!!

[spoon]

Each state is different. Do you want a top down uniformed style of laws for ALL states. So should Idaho and Montana to have public transportation and apartment buildings? This country's land mass is about 3 million square miles what works in the tri state area doesnt work in big sky country


The dems and the GOP are basically the same just with different people promising shit they cant deliver so they are both equally evil.

so now I said I want top down uniformed law? I specifically addressed your topics and shitty examples and never claimed anything of what you speak. wf being wf.

you're a funny fuck

[spoon]

Individual rights? What a concept!!!

states aren't individuals

and where then is that line as Syd eludes to

[StanUpshaw]

states aren't individuals

and where then is that line as Syd eludes to

There is no line. I don't recognize the validity of any organization -- no matter what arbitrary, imaginary border they're confined to -- that claims to have a legal monopoly to the use of violence against me.

But it's easier to fix a state than it is a nation. I can only hope I live to see the day when I get sneered at for supporting "county rights."

[Crispy123]

Im sneering right now. :bye:

[epo]

People need ID to apply for gov't entitlements, Why not voting?. Since we are on topic why do we need voting guides in dozens of languages?

Abortion shouldn't be a federal Issue. Thanks Roe vs Wade. But since people are bitching about transvag devices, does an abortion involve just making the baby disappear? Something still needs to go up the vag to abort it.


Dont like Stand your ground? Theres a ton of states in the Northeast you can move to.

So you, Mr anti-government are pro-ALEC?

That's precious!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So you, Mr anti-government are pro-ALEC?

That's precious!

Who said I was an anarchist?


Im pro liberty. However with rights comes responsibilities

[spoon]

Im pro liberty.

I KNEW you were the WNBA fan type!

Now just let them get married. (I love how both sides pretty much CLAIM words that speak to .05% of their actual intentions and motivations. It's cute and pathetic that most just jump on board with the themes.

[hanso]

ALEC’s next target: state AGs who go after companies.

"Rather than an attorney general deciding on his or her own what authority the office may have to bring a lawsuit, the authority should be defined by the state as reflected by the specific decisions of the legislature via statute. The legislature, not the attorney general, is best positioned to balance the competing concerns that go into the decision of whether to allow a cause of action and under what circumstances.”

http://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2012/05/alec%E2%80%99s-next-target-state-ags-who-go-after-companies

Thought Charlie Crist did a good job when he was AG doing stuff like this, before the tea party kicked him out when he tried to re-up as Gov.

[hanso]

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