View Full Version : Ron and Fez Listening Thread 5/11/12 - Calling All Stompers
realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 06:49 AM
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Crispy123
05-11-2012, 06:50 AM
Happy funk friday buddays!
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realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 06:56 AM
A seedy start to the thread for what has already proven to be a seedy morning.
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 07:00 AM
A seedy start to the thread for what has already proven to be a seedy morning.
I have been watching trailer park boys lately so I have changed your "seedy" to "greasy" in my head.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090622181651/uncyclopedia/images/b/b8/Trailer-park-boys.jpg
Misteriosa
05-11-2012, 07:01 AM
buddays :bye:
realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 07:03 AM
I have been watching trailer park boys lately so I have changed your "seedy" to "greasy" in my head.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090622181651/uncyclopedia/images/b/b8/Trailer-park-boys.jpg
Greasy cheeseburger eatin' bastard.
realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 07:05 AM
Different kind of funky for you. Sacramento coming on strong.
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Crispy123
05-11-2012, 07:05 AM
Greasy cheeseburger eatin' bastard.
put a shirt on Randy! :lol:
Misteriosa
05-11-2012, 07:07 AM
you saw willard mitt romney as a moderate, ron? mr mitt "i am a severe conservative" romney?
oh, it's gonna be a long day.
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 07:10 AM
getting the gay out of the way early. still no Fez tho...
realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 07:11 AM
you saw willard mitt romney as a moderate, ron? mr mitt "i am a severe conservative" romney?
oh, it's gonna be a long day.
Maybe that word does not mean what Ron thinks it means.
Sometimes I think he wants Jesus vs. Godzilla running for prez.
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 07:11 AM
O jesus, i spoke to soon.
hate crime, really??? :wallbash:
sailor
05-11-2012, 07:12 AM
you saw willard mitt romney as a moderate, ron? mr mitt "i am a severe conservative" romney?
oh, it's gonna be a long day.
He is very much a moderate.
realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 07:14 AM
I agree with Fez, you dont have to have a spotless record but it's all about how you deal with it later. Even if he isn't sorry about it I dont trust a guy who isn't willing to convincingly apologize.
sailor
05-11-2012, 07:15 AM
Fwiw, I read the guy's sister said IF this happened, he wouldn't want it being a public thing.
sailor
05-11-2012, 07:16 AM
Fez, he doesn't remember the incident, but remembers the kid from school; how is that unusual?
Recyclerz
05-11-2012, 07:17 AM
I think Fez is actually on point with this one.
realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 07:18 AM
But we've proven that past history will not discount you from getting elected as long as you approach it correctly. Obama admitted to snorting coke, Bush is an alchoholic, and Clinton smoked weed. Noone really cares.
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 07:19 AM
I agree the apology was shitty. but the whole incident might be getting a tad bit overblown.
funk y'all buddays...:bye:
I was so hoping to not have the anger/gay talk today...bring the funny!
realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 07:21 AM
I agree the apology was shitty. but the whole incident might be getting a tad bit overblown.
It's a pretty topical thing, and it's pretty run of the mill for an election. They're going to drag eachother through the mud as much as humanly possible. Four years ago we were discussing if Obama is even a citizen.
sailor
05-11-2012, 07:21 AM
funk y'all buddays...:bye:
I was so hoping to not have the anger/gay talk today...bring the funny!
Look in a mirror. Oh, snap!
Look in a mirror. Oh, snap!
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realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 07:23 AM
Maybe we're selling ourselves short. Is it really asking too much that one of the most powerful men in the world be beyond reproach morally? Maybe if we start asking for that we'll start seeing a different class of leader.
Recyclerz
05-11-2012, 07:24 AM
Romney is one of the rich kids from the dick fraternity in Animal House.
Zorro
05-11-2012, 07:25 AM
It's Fezzie One Note
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 07:25 AM
Rons point of Romney selling out America for his religion during vietnam is a brilliant observation. Why isnt the DNC running with that angle?
Maybe we're selling ourselves short. Is it really asking too much that one of the most powerful men in the world be beyond reproach morally? Maybe if we start asking for that we'll start seeing a different class of leader.
that's the reason I write in "Jesus" in every election...take that!
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 07:26 AM
that's the reason I write in "Jesus" in every election...take that!
we will nevr have a mexican president, silly.
IamFogHat
05-11-2012, 07:27 AM
Hi silly billies.
I had a feeling Fez would be mad about this.
Rons point of Romney selling out America for his religion during vietnam is a brilliant observation. Why isnt the DNC running with that angle?
I agree it's a good observation and I wouldn't vote for him because of it...but, the DNC's man didn't serve so they have a hard time pointing at that
sailor
05-11-2012, 07:28 AM
we will nevr have a mexican president, silly.
Ha!
sailor
05-11-2012, 07:29 AM
Hi silly billies.
I had a feeling Fez would be mad about this.
Did ya?!
Zorro
05-11-2012, 07:29 AM
Rons point of Romney selling out America for his religion during vietnam is a brilliant observation. Why isnt the DNC running with that angle?
Honest conversations are never a political winner
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 07:29 AM
Ha!
that was a cheap laff. Im not proud, but I will take it! :wink:
IamFogHat
05-11-2012, 07:29 AM
Did ya?!
I know it's hard to imagine, I'm pretty stupid most of the time.
Zorro
05-11-2012, 07:31 AM
Obama forgets twenty years of Jeremiah Wright and Romney forgets High School..
I know it's hard to imagine, I'm pretty stupid most of the time.
that brain cell has been a bitch to kill, hunh?
IamFogHat
05-11-2012, 07:35 AM
that brain cell has been a bitch to kill, hunh?
Oh man, I've been trying to kill it since I was 13 haha.:drunk:
Misteriosa
05-11-2012, 07:35 AM
that brain cell has been a bitch to kill, hunh?
:laugh:
LeedsJr
05-11-2012, 07:35 AM
I understand Fezzie's reaction is over the top, but Ron's laughing it off is just as infuriating to me.
"Oh, isn't that funny. A bunch of lunkheads jumped a smaller, weaker kid, pinned him down, and forcibly cut his hair. Well, everybody did stupid stuff in high school. Ha-ha!"
I NEVER did anything like that in my life.
Hicks using "the fuck" as punctuation now has me cracking up...yet another use for "fuck"
IamFogHat
05-11-2012, 07:38 AM
That cane pole gang story always seemed so homoerotic.
IamFogHat
05-11-2012, 07:39 AM
I understand Fezzie's reaction is over the top, but Ron's laughing it off is just as infuriating to me.
"Oh, isn't that funny. A bunch of lunkheads jumped a smaller, weaker kid, pinned him down, and forcibly cut his hair. Well, everybody did stupid stuff in high school. Ha-ha!"
I NEVER did anything like that in my life.
Yeah I kind of agree, I'm too tired to be infuriated, but when I heard that story I immediately put him in the sociopath category forever.
Zorro
05-11-2012, 07:39 AM
I understand Fezzie's reaction is over the top, but Ron's laughing it off is just as infuriating to me.
"Oh, isn't that funny. A bunch of lunkheads jumped a smaller, weaker kid, pinned him down, and forcibly cut his hair. Well, everybody did stupid stuff in high school. Ha-ha!"
I NEVER did anything like that in my life.
The gay kids never did anything like that
The gay kids never did anything like that
if prison rape doesn't count...
LeedsJr
05-11-2012, 07:41 AM
The gay kids never did anything like that
YOU'RE a gay kid!
I demand that he apologize for his apology...I have another demand waiting for that one
Recyclerz
05-11-2012, 07:44 AM
Fez may not be breaking new ground here but this is as cogent as he's been in a long while.
sailor
05-11-2012, 07:49 AM
Hasn't Ron pointed out when you go back to bullies to confront them, they don't remember? Now he expects Mitt to remember?
If Romney gets elected, I'll never be able to get a ticket to "The Book of Mormon"
(my youngest daughter dated a Mormon boy when she was in high school and kept me from meeting the boy because she was afraid I would sing the South Park "dumb de dumb dumb dumb" song from their episode on the Mormon religion)
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 07:59 AM
Fez may not be breaking new ground here but this is as cogent as he's been in a long while.
Cogent is a great word, my goal is now to use it in a conversation today.
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:00 AM
Wow, this really killed the thread, huh?
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:01 AM
Fez, you can't compare a producer you worked closely with for years to some random kid in HS.
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 08:01 AM
Wow, I really killed the thread, huh?
fixed
Misteriosa
05-11-2012, 08:02 AM
i saw a video of a robotic butt that responds to stimuli:
http://youtu.be/vhHo6CUq4-o
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:04 AM
fixed
Thank you.
The gay kids never did anything like that
They just criticized what everyone was wearing.
LeedsJr
05-11-2012, 08:05 AM
i saw a video of a robotic butt that responds to stimuli:
http://youtu.be/vhHo6CUq4-o
What, exactly, were you googling?? :blink:
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:06 AM
i saw a video of a robotic butt that responds to stimuli:
http://youtu.be/vhHo6CUq4-o
Stimuli, like dicks?
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:07 AM
Who didn't go to a Prep School?
realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 08:08 AM
i saw a video of a robotic butt that responds to stimuli:
http://youtu.be/vhHo6CUq4-o
The Japanese are getting wierder every day.
Recyclerz
05-11-2012, 08:08 AM
Cogent is a great word, my goal is now to use it in a conversation today.
I made it all the way to C in my SAT prep course.
realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 08:10 AM
Who didn't go to a Prep School?
That was a pimp school, man.
http://youtu.be/M1WFA0liN1o
video is NSFW
Misteriosa
05-11-2012, 08:11 AM
What, exactly, were you googling?? :blink:
i was just on io9, is all :o
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:11 AM
So, is fez saying his apology is fake?
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:11 AM
Ha, fat joke!
Misteriosa
05-11-2012, 08:12 AM
Who didn't go to a Prep School?
:raises hand:
i almost went to Prep for Prep, but my mom wouldn't allow it.
IamFogHat
05-11-2012, 08:12 AM
Wow, this really killed the thread, huh?
Sorry, I had to go shower and do that thing I do in there.
That's so true about old people. My grandmother had no idea that Rosie O'Donnell was a lesbian. She thought she dressed like that because she was a "heavy girl".
IamFogHat
05-11-2012, 08:13 AM
Isn't everyone in the WNBA a lesbian?
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:15 AM
:raises hand:
i almost went to Prep for Prep, but my mom wouldn't allow it.
I've always meant to ask where you went. For some reason I saw you as going to MSU.
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:15 AM
Sorry, I had to go shower and do that thing I do in there.
Wash your hair?
realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 08:16 AM
Yeah but it's easier to be a man, so isn't it a wash?
IamFogHat
05-11-2012, 08:17 AM
Wash your hair?
Um...Yeaaaah...Wash my hair...
Misteriosa
05-11-2012, 08:17 AM
I've always meant to ask where you went. For some reason I saw you as going to MSU.
Nope. "The 'Ho's on the Hill" didnt offer enough scholarship money. I'm a Cardinal Spellman Alumna :o
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 08:19 AM
Sorry, I had to go shower and do that thing I do in there.
shave your butt?
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:20 AM
Nope. "The 'Ho's on the Hill" didnt offer enough scholarship money. I'm a Cardinal Spellman Alumna :o
We may have discussed this before then. Half my grammar school went here.
IamFogHat
05-11-2012, 08:21 AM
shave your butt?
Manscaping?
jennysmurf
05-11-2012, 08:21 AM
Wash your hair?
Um...Yeaaaah...Wash my hair...
Sailor, now he's going to think about you while he "washes his hair."
Misteriosa
05-11-2012, 08:22 AM
We may have discussed this before then. Half my grammar school went here.
and i was the only one from mine :o (and 1 of only 2 public school admissions that year)
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:22 AM
Sailor, now he's going to think about you while he "washes his hair."
You too and stuff!
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:24 AM
and i was the only one from mine :o (and 1 of only 2 public school admissions that year)
Don't know why, but I never realized the admissions were biased like that.
That's so true about old people. My grandmother had no idea that Rosie O'Donnell was a lesbian. She thought she dressed like that because she was a "heavy girl".
my wife's grandmother had no idea that one of her grandsons was gay...even after he invited her to stay in the guest room of his and his partner's two bedroom apartment
realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 08:25 AM
They put pictures of random kids on theibang all the time, there are pictures of kids on there now. Fez didn't snap pictures himself, they're already published. Ron is busting his balls for no reason.
Do you think cute kid kisses girl's parents is really psyched about being up there next to hick's daily torture porn?
jennysmurf
05-11-2012, 08:26 AM
You too and stuff!
Nope, now you've got the idea in his head, it's gonna be all sailor, all the time.
realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 08:26 AM
I'm away from the computer for the rest of the afternoon, take care of this thread kiddies and have a good weekend.
Misteriosa
05-11-2012, 08:27 AM
Don't know why, but I never realized the admissions were biased like that.
that place was (and is) expensive. i had a partial scholarship and the family still had a hard time making the monthly payments.
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:27 AM
my wife's grandmother had no idea that one of her grandsons was gay...even after he invited her to stay in the guest room of his and his partner's two bedroom apartment
My grandmother has no idea her son, who lives with her still, is gay. It's quite obvious.
realmenhatelife
05-11-2012, 08:27 AM
Nope, now you've got the idea in his head, it's gonna be all sailor, all the time.
We all know you have a shower massage named Keithy.
Misteriosa
05-11-2012, 08:27 AM
We all know you have a shower massage named Keithy.
who doesnt :wub:
jennysmurf
05-11-2012, 08:28 AM
We all know you have a shower massage named Keithy.
I might.:unsure:
jennysmurf
05-11-2012, 08:28 AM
who doesnt :wub:
I might.:unsure:
*high five*
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:28 AM
Nope, now you've got the idea in his head, it's gonna be all sailor, all the time.
You're projecting.
jennysmurf
05-11-2012, 08:29 AM
You're only speaking for yourself.
No, no, I have WAY too many internet boyfriends to narrow it down that much.
sailor
05-11-2012, 08:30 AM
that place was (and is) expensive. i had a partial scholarship and the family still had a hard time making the monthly payments.
I had a half scholarship (once you got a scholarship it was between half and a quarter, based on need) and my parents had to take out loans to cover the other half.
IamFogHat
05-11-2012, 08:31 AM
Zooey Descehenel and Emily Deschenel are sisters?:blink:
IamFogHat
05-11-2012, 08:32 AM
All right my friends, I'm off to the banana stand, have a fun afternoon together:bye:
have they taken a break?
I seem to remember one, but my bladder disagrees...
jennysmurf
05-11-2012, 08:37 AM
All right my friends, I'm off to the banana stand, have a fun afternoon together:bye:
Be a good boy!:bye:
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 08:48 AM
All right my friends, I'm off to the banana stand, have a fun afternoon together:bye:
sounds a peeling.
get it...appealing....get it???
jennysmurf
05-11-2012, 08:54 AM
sounds a peeling.
get it...appealing....get it???
You should be a stand up comic.:dry:
sounds a peeling.
get it...appealing....get it???
"Here's an appealing fellow -- in fact, they're a-peeling him off the sidewalk."
http://download.lardlad.com/framegrabs/9F14/123.jpg
sailor
05-11-2012, 09:10 AM
I would have lost money betting this hot dog lady HAD to be older than me.
Wait, wait, wait... How old is the hot dog lady? She looks over 40.
sailor
05-11-2012, 09:16 AM
Ron's need heard of "rigamarole "
sailor
05-11-2012, 09:17 AM
Wait, wait, wait... How old is the hot dog lady? She looks over 40.
40.
sailor
05-11-2012, 09:20 AM
Ron's way of on the bear-twink thing, from what I hear. Yes, from what I hear.
sailor
05-11-2012, 09:23 AM
4iar
Wait, wait, wait... How old is the hot dog lady? She looks over 40.
you are correct sir...she is over 40 but not yet 41
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 09:37 AM
Hicks is on fire lately! :clap:
jennysmurf
05-11-2012, 09:45 AM
I'm gonna check out early. Have the best weekend buddays!:bye:
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 09:47 AM
I'm gonna check out early. Have the best weekend buddays!:bye:
U and the rest of the fickle friends! :nono:
Well Im sticking around to hear the unmasked and post more bad puns...so there! :tongue:
jennysmurf
05-11-2012, 09:49 AM
U and the rest of the fickle friends! :nono:
Well Im sticking around to hear the unmasked and post more bad puns...so there! :tongue:
Don't you threaten the good people of this thread with your bad puns!:nono: I may have to ban you for a personal attack!
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 09:49 AM
Im being good today! regular fonts and EVERYTHING :surrender:
jennysmurf
05-11-2012, 09:51 AM
Im being good today! regular fonts and EVERYTHING :surrender:
Okay, I'm trusting you. Don't make me come back here.
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 09:52 AM
Okay, I'm trusting you. Don't make me come back here.
I'll make you come, back here. If you know what I mean :wink:
sailor
05-11-2012, 09:54 AM
Hicks doesn't get infamy, methinks.
jimmyolsenblues
05-11-2012, 09:56 AM
Always a bummer when they bail out early on a friday.
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 10:01 AM
Their loss!!! I love Bobcat.
The movie he did with Robin Williams, worlds greatest dad, was so strange and really good too.
Misteriosa
05-11-2012, 10:02 AM
I went to check up on my dad during lunch and come back to an abandoned thread. My heart, she aches. :down:
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 10:03 AM
I went to check up on my dad during lunch and come back to an abandoned thread. My heart, she aches. :down:
Just cuz Jenny bailed don't mean its totally abandoned! :annoyed:
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 10:06 AM
everything ok with your dad?
Their loss!!! I love Bobcat.
The movie he did with Robin Williams, worlds greatest dad, was so strange and really good too.
I think his best work was in "Grind"...
(tongue firmly planted in cheek)
CountryBob
05-11-2012, 10:21 AM
Resident redneck checking in - just finished a round of golf and finally broke 80 (its been a while). Anybody left on this train?
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 10:24 AM
still here! :bye:
ron was just talking to one of the murray brothers cuz he's in the new film. made me think i need to go golfing!
http://murraybroscaddyshack.com.ismmedia.com/ISM3/std-content/repos/Top/the%20other%20murray%20brothers.jpg
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 10:26 AM
I think his best work was in "Grind"...
(tongue firmly planted in cheek)
I had to look this up. I am not familiar (probly wont be looking for it based on your tongue placement either :smile:)
but I do want to see shakes the clown now.
Resident redneck checking in - just finished a round of golf and finally broke 80 (its been a while). Anybody left on this train?
not anybody else that has broke 80 lately...unless, that means hitting 90...:huh:
Misteriosa
05-11-2012, 10:36 AM
everything ok with your dad?
not really
CountryBob
05-11-2012, 10:37 AM
not anybody else that has broke 80 lately...unless, that means hitting 90...:huh:
hehe - shot 78 today - best score so far this year had been 85.
I had to look this up. I am not familiar (probly wont be looking for it based on your tongue placement either :smile:)
but I do want to see shakes the clown now.
it was an okay teen skateboarding movie...my youngest was about 12 when it came out and I probably saw it a handful of times with her when it came out on dvd (she loved the young boys, especially the skateboarding type)
Goldthwait has a very small and very goofy part as a motel operator...most bizarre role I've seen him in (and that's saying a lot)
CountryBob
05-11-2012, 10:38 AM
not really
im sorry :down:
Misteriosa
05-11-2012, 10:42 AM
im sorry :down:
its ok. this has been on-going for a while now.
furie
05-11-2012, 10:50 AM
You know, Ron had a great point today talking about Romney and the bashing that Kerry took in 2004. Kerry at least went to war for his country, and took a ton of shit for it, but Romney chose religion over his country and gets a total pass for that.
It's bullshit.
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 10:53 AM
its ok. this has been on-going for a while now.
Sorry to hear, it sux to watch your loved ones struggle. At least you are spending time with him while you can.
Furtherman
05-11-2012, 10:55 AM
Joel Murray's impressions of his brothers are killing me. This has been a great unmasked.
LeedsJr
05-11-2012, 10:56 AM
Politics.
It's bullshit.
Fixed. :smile:
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 10:57 AM
You know, Ron had a great point today talking about Romney and the bashing that Kerry took in 2004. Kerry at least went to war for his country, and took a ton of shit for it, but Romney chose religion over his country and gets a total pass for that.
It's bullshit.
Yes I agree. I hope somebody on the Presidents team hammers him on this.
Joel Murray's impressions of his brothers are killing me. This has been a great unmasked.
I enjoyed the Unmasked. Great sticking around with the die-hards!
Im sure Ill see some of you later on in the drunk thread :bye:
Misteriosa
05-11-2012, 10:58 AM
that was a good unmasked :)
hope you all enjoy the weekend and
BE GOOD TO YOUR MOTHERS!!!!
Crispy123
05-11-2012, 11:01 AM
that was a good unmasked :)
hope you all enjoy the weekend and
BE GOOD TO YOUR MOTHERS!!!!
I will be supporting single mothers this weekend. One dollar at a time. :devil2:
CountryBob
05-11-2012, 11:04 AM
:bye:
You know, Ron had a great point today talking about Romney and the bashing that Kerry took in 2004. Kerry at least went to war for his country, and took a ton of shit for it, but Romney chose religion over his country and gets a total pass for that.
It's bullshit.
I don't understand the bashing Kerry got, but I think dodging the war became a moot point when Clinton was elected...I remember DNC bashing Quayle for his method of serving but decided dodging was okay when Clinton ran
sailor
05-11-2012, 11:14 AM
I'm not sure how it works, did romneys missionary work get him out of the draft or was he just not drafted?
zildjian361
05-11-2012, 04:48 PM
how many heyseed callers come from:unsure: Jesus dont anybody call in from Brooklyn NJ NYC I'd call but I got a fuckin job, I listen to the replay,at 1am .:smoke::smoke:Damn:laugh:
I don't understand the bashing Kerry got, but I think dodging the war became a moot point when Clinton was elected...I remember DNC bashing Quayle for his method of serving but decided dodging was okay when Clinton ran
Kerry was ineffective in defending himself during the race. If someone called me a flip-flopper I would politely point out that remaining firm on a terrible decision isn't admirable or commendable.
America is a changing democracy. We have been making and will continue to be make miscalculations on how to handle ourselves domestically and overseas. A good leader will fight to straighten out our errors and not ride them into the fire.
Also, any politician who tries to sell the idea of ” starving the bureaucratic beast” of government without concurrently starving corporate America is a jerk
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