Marijuana Law Poll

[Snoogans]

So i was reading from gallop polls that 80% of americans think medical should be ok, 75% think weed should be decriminalized, and a recent poll showed 50% think it should be blanket legal, with 46% saying it shouldnt.

But i know harris and gallop and all these poll places really dont ask that many people. I always found it funny that they can say 50% of americans prefer X and then it turns out they asked like 1000 americans. Also, you can skew data for almost any poll based on the location of the people you decide to poll.

So i wanted to start a poll for the people on here and see what they think. And I will not have a joke option on this poll like i normally would cause that would take answers away by the people who just wanna be dickheads. Like I usually do.

Illegal - How it is right now.

Decriminalization- Reducing the penalties for personal amounts of possession to a civil fine and no record, and in some cases to nothing at all. Keeps illegal anything beyond that. Would most likely also legalize hemp for commercial use.

Partial Legalization - Would entall legalizing all possession for personal use, and legalizing the growth for ones own personal use at their property. Leaves illegal any sale or transport and keeps illegal anything involving persons under 18. (similar to alcohol, esp if the product was sold by gov licensed places, just not citizens).


Blanket Legalization - Anything to do with weed would be legal.

If you vote, and your ideas on this arent already publicly known on this board, post why you voted how you did and whether or not you actually use it yourself. Im sure there are a decent number of people who dont use it but still dont give a fuck if other people want to.

[Snoogans]

based on early poll results, i know who the fuck im callin if i ever get in trouble and need a lawyer

[A.J.]

Keep it like booze and cigarettes.

[StanUpshaw]

While I think it's fine to make it illegal for minors, the other stipulations listed under "Partial Legalization" are horrible, so I guess it's "Blanket Legalization" for me.

[Jujubees2]

Keep it like booze and cigarettes.

Tax the hell of out of it?

[A.J.]

Tax the hell of out of it?

Damn right.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If certain areas want to outlaw/restrict it like some places have blue laws or dry counties for booze thats fine, So I guess for me blanket legalization

[sailor]

Keep it like booze and cigarettes.

That's what I saw as blanket legal.

[ozzie]

I went "Blanket Legal", only because partial didn't include sales. Then you'd still have people getting arrested for buying and selling.

And if I'm going off to work a contract job, and bring a pound of "home grown" stuff with me, I don't want to worry about "transporting" being illegal.

With those conditions, I couldn't vote "partial".

And I dont' want to have to worry about planting a garden, or setting up shit in my home. If it was planted outside, it's too easy for neighbors (and kids) to come by and help themselves. I don't want to have to put up razor wire trying to keep people out.

I'd be much happier purchasing packaged product from a known, reputable source. And this is the only way I see the government ever allowing it to be grown and sold, is under a system of licensed mfg's, with applicable taxes.

It's the same reason they're still out there busting moonshiners. You can make all the moonshine you want, as long as you go through the process of getting a license and having your facilities and processes cotrolled, monitored, and your product gets taxed. But you can't just set up a still and start selling jugs out of your trunk, or even trying to explain that it's just for your own personal use won't get you off.

[Snoogans]

Tax the hell of out of it?

Damn right.

i dont understand how we can be so broke and they just wont do this.

my system:
the government takes complete control of the industry. They license companies to produce marijuana (most likely pharm or tobacco and alcohol companies. They would prob go easier if you hired them to produce it, basically replacing the money they would lose from people not using them as much) and send it to licensed shops (like a liquor license works in NJ basically). Those shops would be allowed to sell marijuana and hash to persons over the age of 18.
I would set the limit for possession to 15 grams of any combination of weed or hash.

I would, as the government, tax the profits of the producers 25% at the federal level. I would also tax the profits of the shop 25% at the federal level. Any state who allowed shops would receive 5% tax on profits to the state, and the producers would pay 5% tax to the state on all weed they sold to that state. So companies would be taxed 30% total. That combined with the reduce enforcement costs would help us out big time right now.

Any possession over 15 grams is automatically 6 months in jail for first and all subsequent offenses. Anyone who sells or grows it without a license receives 5 years for selling and 5 years per plant grown. anyone who provides it to someone under 18 gets an automatic 1 year.

Those autos. No more, no less. The other benefit is the incredible reduction in money and power that alot of drug cartels would have. I cant really think of a reason why they shouldnt allow people to do it in some form that they could tax.

[Snoogans]

I went "Blanket Legal", only because partial didn't include sales. Then you'd still have people getting arrested for buying and selling.

And if I'm going off to work a contract job, and bring a pound of "home grown" stuff with me, I don't want to worry about "transporting" being illegal.

With those conditions, I couldn't vote "partial".

And I dont' want to have to worry about planting a garden, or setting up shit in my home. If it was planted outside, it's too easy for neighbors (and kids) to come by and help themselves. I don't want to have to put up razor wire trying to keep people out.

I'd be much happier purchasing packaged product from a known, reputable source. And this is the only way I see the government ever allowing it to be grown and sold, is under a system of licensed mfg's, with applicable taxes.

It's the same reason they're still out there busting moonshiners. You can make all the moonshine you want, as long as you go through the process of getting a license and having your facilities and processes cotrolled, monitored, and your product gets taxed. But you can't just set up a still and start selling jugs out of your trunk, or even trying to explain that it's just for your own personal use won't get you off.

sales would be done by license. like how liquor works.

Blanket legal means anything you fuckin want. If you wanna have 70000 plants in your yard you can. If you wanna give it away to people you can. Companies could sell it in stores like 7-11. There would be no type of gov restriction of any kind.

I could have worded it better but i think what most of you are for is partially legal. when i said sale would still be illegal i meant unlicensed sales.

as for the transport, the reason that would have to be illegal is states. If you were going from a legal state to a legal state then transport is fine. But some states would prob still keep it illegal in that state. so transport there would be illegal.

[sailor]

It's the same reason they're still out there busting moonshiners. You can make all the moonshine you want, as long as you go through the process of getting a license and having your facilities and processes cotrolled, monitored, and your product gets taxed. But you can't just set up a still and start selling jugs out of your trunk, or even trying to explain that it's just for your own personal use won't get you off.

Does that apply to making your own wine or homebrewing beer?

[Snoogans]

Does that apply to making your own wine or homebrewing beer?

i think it would only apply to when you provide it to others. If you make it for your own consumption i dont think they would give a fuck

[sailor]

i think it would only apply to when you provide it to others. If you make it for your own consumption i dont think they would give a fuck

That's what I figured, but he was saying the 'shine was illegal een if you said it was for personal use.

And I think most people (me) skimmed before voting. like, when I think of alcohol, I don't see it as partially legal, even though there are obvious restrictions.

[Snoogans]

That's what I figured, but he was saying the 'shine was illegal een if you said it was for personal use.

And I think most people (me) skimmed before voting. like, when I think of alcohol, I don't see it as partially legal, even though there are obvious restrictions.

see, i see alcohol and tobacco both as partially legal. Though i would guess it prob is ok to grow tobacco in your house, its illegal to provide it to minors. and its illegal to go to a state and buy them cheap and come to a more expensive state and then sell them. there are alot of things related to booze and cigs that can land you in jail. To me thats partially. If you think it should be like those, its partial. I prob coulda expanded more but it got long and i worried people wouldnt read it


as for moonshine, most people who make it do provide it to others, and some of them sell it. That is what i think he meant. If its illegal just to make it at all, then thats pretty fuckin stupid

[Snoogans]

everyone pretty much knows how i feel about it. i think the benefits of it are far more than most people think or say, and that it really is a wonderful thing. There are issues i have due to past injuries and it helps me alot with that.

But, i voted partially because blanket opens things up to a large risk. you cant have fuckin 12 year old kids runnin around smokin weed. thats not responsible, and anyone would agree with that. You can just be allowed to drop seeds in the ground whereever and grow tons of plants.



ironically, in Ontario, a judge threw out Canadas marijuana law as unconstitutional. they put a stay while the state appealed, which was heard like a week ago. should the supreme court (or whatever the fuck they call the highest court in monarchies) uphold the judges decision, marijuana would become blanket legal in ontario, and by default all of canada since it was the canadian constitution, not ontarios, that the judge ruled on.

Cross your fingers, the panel of 3 judges is expected to rule within 6 months

[Snoogans]

also all the untold jobs. think how many jobs would be created by opening up and entire new industry. From growers all the way down to people getting jobs and the shops. I cant think of anything that would provide this country anywhere near the economic benefits.

[Crispy123]

I said decriminalize. IMO, personal growing and use is fine (over 18 or 21 is debatable). Also decriminalization should be done retroactively for prisoners incarcerated for only marijuana related offenses. And hemp should be legal, like, yesterday.

It should also be rescheduled to either level 4 or 5 (alcohol and tobacco should be listed the same as mj too). I don't have a problem with government regulating sale and transport. I think there should be criminal penalties for DUI and in some cases performing job duties under the influence.

I had a bit of a hard time picking between partial legal and decrim, btw.

[Snoogans]

I said decriminalize. IMO, personal growing and use is fine (over 18 or 21 is debatable). Also decriminalization should be done retroactively for prisoners incarcerated for only marijuana related offenses. And hemp should be legal, like, yesterday.

It should also be rescheduled to either level 4 or 5 (alcohol and tobacco should be listed the same as mj too). I don't have a problem with government regulating sale and transport. I think there should be criminal penalties for DUI and in some cases performing job duties under the influence.

I had a bit of a hard time picking between partial legal and decrim, btw.

yea. if youa re gonna let people grow it, it cant be decrim. Cause first off, 1 plant puts out at least like 7 or 8 ounces if you arent retarded. So, thats way over a decrim limit would ever be.

Im fine with decrim, cause access is available. But it would be really cool (and money saving) to be able to just have 1 plant or 2 plants on a cycle so i dont have to fuckin buy it anymore

and yes. I also agree that anyone in jail on a non violent marijuana offense should be released from custody. Stop wasting money on this bullshit. Go find some people who provide drugs to kids and put them in there instead

[pennington]

Legalize it, regulate it, tax it. Then clear out the jails of all who are there for possession. I feel the same way about prostitution.

[disneyspy]

i voted partially legal because i agree with snoogans,12 year old kids shouldn't be allowed to get high,i got high when i was 12 and turned out pretty bad for awhile

i'd put the age limit at 21 unless it's for medicinal purposes and then any age is fine

[WRESTLINGFAN]

As far as sales, what would be the best way to sell it? Like cigarettes? 20 joints to a pack, 10 packs of weed to a carton? how does that sound?

Also what would be the federal tax amount on a pack? Can each state have its own excise tax on it? or if they choose have no state tax?


Warning labels? Should there be a surgeon generals warning? There also needs to be a way for advertising it as well

[Snoogans]

As far as sales, what would be the best way to sell it? Like cigarettes? 20 joints to a pack, 10 packs of weed to a carton? how does that sound?

Also what would be the federal tax amount on a pack? Can each state have its own excise tax on it? or if they choose have no state tax?


Warning labels? Should there be a surgeon generals warning? There also needs to be a way for advertising it as well

you have to sell it loose. If you sell it prerolled, you kill an entire industry of products. You sell it loose and leave a 15 gram max. Like how Netherlands does it kinda. I guess states can do what they want. I proposed my idea of 5% for the state. If a state chooses not to tax it, they are pretty stupid, but i guess that would be fine.

Another reason why i think you wont ever be allowed to grow your own. If you grow your own weed home, you arent buying taxed weed at the shops.

and cigs cant advertise on tv and shit anymore and they still do ok. Drugs are pretty good at marketing themselves. I dont think there would be much worry about that. You wanna throw warnings on it fine, what the fuck do people care? No one reads the warnings now

[keithy_19]

i'd put the age limit at 21 unless it's for medicinal purposes and then any age is fine

Yes!

I voted blanket legal, but it was between that and partial.

[cougarjake13]

Blanket legal


Like snoogs said tons of jobs plus if u tax it

[ozzie]

you have to sell it loose. If you sell it prerolled, you kill an entire industry of products. You sell it loose and leave a 15 gram max. Like how Netherlands does it kinda. I guess states can do what they want. I proposed my idea of 5% for the state. If a state chooses not to tax it, they are pretty stupid, but i guess that would be fine.

Another reason why i think you wont ever be allowed to grow your own. If you grow your own weed home, you arent buying taxed weed at the shops.

and cigs cant advertise on tv and shit anymore and they still do ok. Drugs are pretty good at marketing themselves. I dont think there would be much worry about that. You wanna throw warnings on it fine, what the fuck do people care? No one reads the warnings now

I've always imagined it being sold pre-rolled if it was ever legalized. With a label stating the THC, CBN, CBD content and stuff.

I don't want to be worried about how fucked up I'm going to get, etc. If we're going to go this far, I want to know exactly what I'm getting, and find my own "brand" that I'm consistent with.

Like now. I know exactly how many beers or shots of liquor my chick and I can consume and "maintain" a cool buzz without getting stupid.

Someone hands me a jug of unlabeled "alcohol", and I'd be clueless. If I've got to drive later, or be around my kids, I wouldn't choose to trust some guy at the counter trying to describe the affects. Give me the "proof", and I can do the math.

If we're talking about opening it up to the general public, it would almost have to be properly labeled with the contents, with lower potency product available.

15g might be fine for the high potency stuff that you're used to. But I'd prefer the choice of smoother "blends" and stuff. I'd personally prefer to be able to smoke a cigarette sized "joint" leisurely over 8 to 10 minutes, and slowly build a cool buzz, and have the opportunity to decide if I want another or not.

[Snacks]

Make it legal with the same regulations like cigarettes and alcohol. Tax the fuck out of it too similar to cigarettes. I don't think 5% is enough and I would bet that states especially NJ and NY charge more then that on cigarettes already. Home grown would be tricky because you would have to have a limit like 1 plant or whatever. I don't know how much weed you could get off a plant but Im guessing 1 plant would be enough. You would still be paying an initial tax to buy the plant and to be honest how many people would grow their own compared to buying it in the store? I would bet not a lot, it will be similar to those who make their home brew or role their own cigarettes which isn't a lot compared to those who buy it from the store.

[keithy_19]

Make it legal with the same regulations like cigarettes and alcohol. Tax the fuck out of it too similar to cigarettes. I don't think 5% is enough and I would bet that states especially NJ and NY charge more then that on cigarettes already. Home grown would be tricky because you would have to have a limit like 1 plant or whatever. I don't know how much weed you could get off a plant but Im guessing 1 plant would be enough. You would still be paying an initial tax to buy the plant and to be honest how many people would grow their own compared to buying it in the store? I would bet not a lot, it will be similar to those who make their home brew or role their own cigarettes which isn't a lot compared to those who buy it from the store.

Your body, your property, yadda yadda.

[StanUpshaw]

Taxation is inevitable, but why the fuck are you people rooting for it?

[keithy_19]

Taxation is inevitable, but why the fuck are you people rooting for it?

I guess people figure it's better to have something even if it's taxed than to not have it at all. Or have it and risk jail.

[Snoogans]

I've always imagined it being sold pre-rolled if it was ever legalized. With a label stating the THC, CBN, CBD content and stuff.

I don't want to be worried about how fucked up I'm going to get, etc. If we're going to go this far, I want to know exactly what I'm getting, and find my own "brand" that I'm consistent with.

Like now. I know exactly how many beers or shots of liquor my chick and I can consume and "maintain" a cool buzz without getting stupid.

Someone hands me a jug of unlabeled "alcohol", and I'd be clueless. If I've got to drive later, or be around my kids, I wouldn't choose to trust some guy at the counter trying to describe the affects. Give me the "proof", and I can do the math.

If we're talking about opening it up to the general public, it would almost have to be properly labeled with the contents, with lower potency product available.

15g might be fine for the high potency stuff that you're used to. But I'd prefer the choice of smoother "blends" and stuff. I'd personally prefer to be able to smoke a cigarette sized "joint" leisurely over 8 to 10 minutes, and slowly build a cool buzz, and have the opportunity to decide if I want another or not.

its not unlabled when its loose. If you go now to a dispensary for medical shit, its all labeled. it all has a brand. Its just not rolled. its in packages that are clearly labeled and mark with what strand it is.

Its kinda like, when you go to get cigs, they are already rolled. But you can buy tobacco loose from various brands. Alcohol comes in a bottle raw, and then you mix it how you like or imbibe how you like. Same with weed. It would come in brand packages, but raw, so its up to you whether you wanna smoke a bowl, a joint, etc. Plus joints are usually more than 1 person would need. You sell it loose and then people buy the shit to use it. Otherwise you kill off like 40 companies at least who currently make paraphernalia

[Snoogans]

Make it legal with the same regulations like cigarettes and alcohol. Tax the fuck out of it too similar to cigarettes. I don't think 5% is enough and I would bet that states especially NJ and NY charge more then that on cigarettes already. Home grown would be tricky because you would have to have a limit like 1 plant or whatever. I don't know how much weed you could get off a plant but Im guessing 1 plant would be enough. You would still be paying an initial tax to buy the plant and to be honest how many people would grow their own compared to buying it in the store? I would bet not a lot, it will be similar to those who make their home brew or role their own cigarettes which isn't a lot compared to those who buy it from the store.

cigarette tax is a flat rate per pack. If you are selling weed by weight you cant really flat tax it cause people would be getting different weights. Besides, thats 5% of untold millions that the states never had before. It would be a significant amount.

For one plant, you normally can get somewhere between 200-500 grams (about half a pound to a pound. But it takes 3 to 4 months and you have to do it right, otherwise you fuck it up

[Snoogans]

Taxation is inevitable, but why the fuck are you people rooting for it?

I guess people figure it's better to have something even if it's taxed than to not have it at all. Or have it and risk jail.

to a point. also, its gonna be taxed. im not stupid, i know it will never be legal and not taxed cause the government would never do that. Plus, im part of this country, and if the government makes more money, it means less burden on citizens to foot the bills for shit.

And like keithy said, id much rather pay a few bucks in tax on a 50 bag than go to jail for 6 months for it

[StanUpshaw]

Why should pot smokers be burdened disproportionately?

[Snoogans]

Why should pot smokers be burdened disproportionately?

they arent. Cig smokers pay a higher tax. In NJ the tax on 1 pack of cigs ends up being something like 42% of the actual cost of the pack. 5% is basically nothing. And again, you arent taxing the user. I never said tax the purchase. I said tax the income of the producers and sellers. I never said add sales tax to it, though you know they fuckin would.

And also, states charge sales tax already on everything. This would kinda be the same shit

[Chigworthy]

Legal that shit. I like booze. I like cigars. You can't logically have those legal and weed illegal. It's ridiculous. And the vaguely-legal medicinal shit we have here in CA is more evil than just having it illegal outright, because it continues to support the criminal aspects of it.

[Snacks]

Why should pot smokers be burdened disproportionately?

Because in this country we have taxes and luxury non necessity items are taxed and usually higher. Most people don't care and understand it is the cost to do something they like and rather pay the tax then and have it legal. Isn't it better to pay taxes rather then no tax and have it be illegal? Not to mention that even with taxes legal weed will probably be cheaper then it is now being illegal.

[Snacks]

Legal that shit. I like booze. I like cigars. You can't logically have those legal and weed illegal. It's ridiculous. And the vaguely-legal medicinal shit we have here in CA is more evil than just having it illegal outright, because it continues to support the criminal aspects of it.

Caffeine is another bad "drug" yet that is legal and in so many things and even legal for kids to consume. It always amazes me that this is still an argument and this it is still illegal.

[StanUpshaw]

they arent. Cig smokers pay a higher tax. In NJ the tax on 1 pack of cigs ends up being something like 42% of the actual cost of the pack. 5% is basically nothing. And again, you arent taxing the user. I never said tax the purchase. I said tax the income of the producers and sellers. I never said add sales tax to it, though you know they fuckin would.

And also, states charge sales tax already on everything. This would kinda be the same shit

I was more referring to the people saying to "tax the hell/shit/fuck out of it," rather than just charge normal sales tax.



But I think your understanding of economics is a tad flawed if you believe that a tax on producers and sellers does not get paid by the end user.

[Chigworthy]

Caffeine is another bad "drug" yet that is legal and in so many things and even legal for kids to consume. It always amazes me that this is still an argument and this it is still illegal.

Well the reason is that there is a good deal of money and infrastructure based on it being illegal.

[Snoogans]

Caffeine is another bad "drug" yet that is legal and in so many things and even legal for kids to consume. It always amazes me that this is still an argument and this it is still illegal.

red bulls. Red bulls are wayyyy worse than any fuckin weed. plus they let people mix it with alcohol and drink themselves to death. Awesome

[Snoogans]

I was more referring to the people saying to "tax the hell/shit/fuck out of it," rather than just charge normal sales tax.



But I think your understanding of economics is a tad flawed if you believe that a tax on producers and sellers does not get paid by the end user.

i know it would reflect in price but you might not totally know how certain weed laws work then. Certain states have tax stamps. For example, if you want to smoke weed in Mass, you have to go into a place and pay a tax and get a stamp for the weed you have. If you dont, technically they can charge you with tax evasion on top of possession. No one ever does that and they never charge it, but they could.

To the buyer, you would walk in and pay the cost of weed. You wont complain, and the tax payment would be the companies. The price would still, after all tax, be cheaper than it is now cause of the mass production that would occur. So, in essence, to the user, he would not be paying extra, in fact less.

[StanUpshaw]

Because in this country we have taxes and luxury non necessity items are taxed and usually higher. Most people don't care and understand it is the cost to do something they like and rather pay the tax then and have it legal. Isn't it better to pay taxes rather then no tax and have it be illegal? Not to mention that even with taxes legal weed will probably be cheaper then it is now being illegal.

I don't know why this silly false dichotomy is supposed to be an argument, but yes, taxed is better than illegal.

Sorry if I've missed something, but is this a choice we've been given? How about an argument based in logic about why the government should -- or even can -- criminalize a plant? Or what the possible justification would be to impose a discriminatory sin tax on someone who chooses to smoke weed?

[Snoogans]

I don't know why this silly false dichotomy is supposed to be an argument, but yes, taxed is better than illegal.

Sorry if I've missed something, but is this a choice we've been given? How about an argument based in logic about why the government should -- or even can -- criminalize a plant? Or what the possible justification would be to impose a discriminatory sin tax on someone who chooses to smoke weed?

most of the tax comments with regard to how it would work i think were more in response to the plan i proposed as my idea. I think thats kinda what took it in that direction of specifics

[StanUpshaw]

i know it would reflect in price but you might not totally know how certain weed laws work then. Certain states have tax stamps. For example, if you want to smoke weed in Mass, you have to go into a place and pay a tax and get a stamp for the weed you have. If you dont, technically they can charge you with tax evasion on top of possession. No one ever does that and they never charge it, but they could.

To the buyer, you would walk in and pay the cost of weed. You wont complain, and the tax payment would be the companies. The price would still, after all tax, be cheaper than it is now cause of the mass production that would occur. So, in essence, to the user, he would not be paying extra, in fact less.

Again, I'm struggling to understand why complicated, discriminatory bureaucracy is something you're encouraging. Who gives a fuck what bullshit laws are in place now? Focus on what is JUST.

[Snoogans]

Again, I'm struggling to understand why complicated, discriminatory bureaucracy is something you're encouraging. Who gives a fuck what bullshit laws are in place now? Focus on what is JUST.

I proposed a plan based on what i would do if i was the government. Taking into account the way things are now. I wasnt sayin anything about what i would do if the decision itself was actually left up to me myself. Thats a whole different story. Im lookin more from the side of what i think could possibly get it done in a way that the government AND companies that would be financially hurt (alcohol, tobacco, pharms) might actually allow it.

You wanna know if i was like drug czar what i would do. I would make one law. Any providing of weed to anyone under 18 you get 10 years minimum in jail and it doubles for any following offense from the last time.

Aside from that, i would let adults do whatever they fuck they wanted. Just dont give that shit to kids

[TripleSkeet]

you have to sell it loose. If you sell it prerolled, you kill an entire industry of products. You sell it loose and leave a 15 gram max. Like how Netherlands does it kinda. I guess states can do what they want. I proposed my idea of 5% for the state. If a state chooses not to tax it, they are pretty stupid, but i guess that would be fine.

Another reason why i think you wont ever be allowed to grow your own. If you grow your own weed home, you arent buying taxed weed at the shops.

and cigs cant advertise on tv and shit anymore and they still do ok. Drugs are pretty good at marketing themselves. I dont think there would be much worry about that. You wanna throw warnings on it fine, what the fuck do people care? No one reads the warnings now

I voted completely legal, but after reading this Im guessing I really wanted partially legal. That being said, this above post is the reason it will never happen.

Weed is easy to grow. Its not like moonshining. I grew weed in my grandfathers garden without even trying. I just threw some seeds in there with the compost he would use and it grew FAST. If I wanted to I could grow weed in my yard and the government would never know it.

In the beginning people would pay for it but eventually alot of people would be growing their own. And if the prices or taxes went too high people would just buy it off their neighbors that grow it themselves. It would be profitable but the government is too greedy to just accept those terms.

[StanUpshaw]

In the beginning people would pay for it but eventually alot of people would be growing their own. And if the prices or taxes went too high people would just buy it off their neighbors that grow it themselves. It would be profitable but the government is too greedy to just accept those terms.

Why would the percentage of people who would grow their own weed be any greater than the percentage who grow their own produce?

[TripleSkeet]

Why would the percentage of people who would grow their own weed be any greater than the percentage who grow their own produce?

Because I dont think they are going to let them sell weed at farmers markets.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In regards to taxes, Would Indian reservations have the same tax free purchases as tobacco products,


Also for consumption in public would it be best for each state/municipality to regulate? For example NYC has some of the strictest laws but they do have some cigar bars and lounges

[Snoogans]

Why would the percentage of people who would grow their own weed be any greater than the percentage who grow their own produce?

because a weed plant, just one, produces a tremendous yield with very little maintenance relative to most plants. Its not even close. 1 plant gives you like 1/2 to one POUND of weed. And weed wont go bad over a few months. Plus, its a weed. that shit will grow and grow, even if you didnt want it to

[Snoogans]

In regards to taxes, Would Indian reservations have the same tax free purchases as tobacco products,


Also for consumption in public would it be best for each state/municipality to regulate? For example NYC has some of the strictest laws but they do have some cigar bars and lounges

thats up to each state and municipality. Im not fuckin making all the fuckin states laws. Just the overall law. Each state is free to do whatever it wants

[StanUpshaw]

So Mitch&Murray is kind of a shithead, huh?

[Snoogans]

So Mitch&Murray is kind of a shithead, huh?

if im not mistaken, isnt mitch and murray the poster formerly known as Dr JoeK?


the ol dentist doesnt wanna give up his lucrative laughing gas side business, i guess

[keithy_19]

Hey snoogans, I'm too lazy to look through this thread and also kind of drunk. How's the medical stuff coming along in NJ? I saw a friend of mine on facebook post how a bunch of doctors were approved to prescribe it (not my doctor, but I'd go to another to get the script since I know that marijuana helps with my pain).

[Snoogans]

Hey snoogans, I'm too lazy to look through this thread and also kind of drunk. How's the medical stuff coming along in NJ? I saw a friend of mine on facebook post how a bunch of doctors were approved to prescribe it (not my doctor, but I'd go to another to get the script since I know that marijuana helps with my pain).

everything has been signed into law. they have licensed a dispensary in Montclair, and in late april gov Christie gave the go ahead to the grower to begin producing it. They are sayin everything should be up and running by end of august, latest.

Compared to most states, its pretty tight and strict here.

[Crispy123]

I am not paying taxes right now, if you know what Im sayin. :smoke:

[Snoogans]

I am not paying taxes right now, if you know what Im sayin. :smoke:

me either. but id rather pay tax and 40 for an 8th than no tax and pay 50-60

[keithy_19]

everything has been signed into law. they have licensed a dispensary in Montclair, and in late april gov Christie gave the go ahead to the grower to begin producing it. They are sayin everything should be up and running by end of august, latest.

Compared to most states, its pretty tight and strict here.

That's what I heard too.

For the record, I have an amazing doctor who is an expert in MS research and treatment and I would never abandon his care. I just know that marijuana is the only thing, besides pain killers like percs and oxy, that helps. I brought up marijuana use with him once and he said that he doesn't know if it help's fight the disease at all but if it makes people feel better then who's to say it shouldn't be used.

I only started smoking because I was in a lot of pain and figured why not give it a go. I don't smoke for fun, though people should be able to.

[Snoogans]

That's what I heard too.

For the record, I have an amazing doctor who is an expert in MS research and treatment and I would never abandon his care. I just know that marijuana is the only thing, besides pain killers like percs and oxy, that helps. I brought up marijuana use with him once and he said that he doesn't know if it help's fight the disease at all but if it makes people feel better then who's to say it shouldn't be used.

I only started smoking because I was in a lot of pain and figured why not give it a go. I don't smoke for fun, though people should be able to.

you should show him, and your parents, this:

http://gawker.com/5910301/medical-marijuana-may-ease-pain-in-people-with-multiple-sclerosis


Patients who smoked marijuana experienced about a one-third decrease in spasticity, with limited side effects. According to my favorite sentence from this article, "Although the marijuana was 'generally well-tolerated,' smoking it was accompanied by acute cognitive effects such as 'feeling too high.'"

[keithy_19]

you should show him, and your parents, this:

http://gawker.com/5910301/medical-marijuana-may-ease-pain-in-people-with-multiple-sclerosis

I've been completely open about my smoking with my mom. She has no problem with it, while my dad is the one who I kind of tiptoe around. I've smoked openly in my room (blew the smoke out the window) and lit a candle and no one could tell.

I just feel that I'd much rather smoke a joint at night than be doing what I've been doing lately, which is drinking a lot to numb it.

It is kind of weird how when they bring up legalization they always bring up MS after cancer. I actually don't find any of this weird, but it is weird (still kind of after 10 years) that I have a disease. I'm fine with it and all that, but still sometimes fucks with me. On a few levels.

[Snacks]

I don't know why this silly false dichotomy is supposed to be an argument, but yes, taxed is better than illegal.

Sorry if I've missed something, but is this a choice we've been given? How about an argument based in logic about why the government should -- or even can -- criminalize a plant? Or what the possible justification would be to impose a discriminatory sin tax on someone who chooses to smoke weed?

thats a separate issue and i believe it shouldn't be illegal but since it is taxing is the only way to possibly get it to be legal. why do we let the govt make anything illegal? who knows but they are and if you want them changed there will always be a "sin" tax and most people have no problem paying it even if they disagree with it because they want it.

[Snacks]

In regards to taxes, Would Indian reservations have the same tax free purchases as tobacco products,


Also for consumption in public would it be best for each state/municipality to regulate? For example NYC has some of the strictest laws but they do have some cigar bars and lounges

no because you still pay tax on cigarettes as I posted in the quit smoking thread. the state will send you a tax bill if you have the cigarettes shipped to you.

[StanUpshaw]

thats a separate issue and i believe it shouldn't be illegal but since it is taxing is the only way to possibly get it to be legal. why do we let the govt make anything illegal? who knows but they are and if you want them changed there will always be a "sin" tax and most people have no problem paying it even if they disagree with it because they want it.

What do you mean taxing it is the only way? Is this a democracy, or isn't it?

And if it's not, why isn't ending tyranny your top priority?

[Snacks]

What do you mean taxing it is the only way? Is this a democracy, or isn't it?

And if it's not, why isn't ending tyranny your top priority?

I live in the real world and in the real world its currently illegal. We can vote it to be legal or rely on our politicians to pass a law with no vote, either way if it becomes legal it will be taxed. Now if you have some other fantasy situation that would work without taxing maybe you can share?

[StanUpshaw]

I live in the real world and in the real world its currently illegal. We can vote it to be legal or rely on our politicians to pass a law with no vote, either way if it becomes legal it will be taxed. Now if you have some other fantasy situation that would work without taxing maybe you can share?

I don't know what is fantastical about letting someone grow a crop, sell a crop, then consume that crop without government intervention. It requires no effort...all you have to do is not arrest or kill anyone!

[Chigworthy]

I don't know what is fantastical about letting someone grow a crop, sell a crop, then consume that crop without government intervention. It requires no effort...all you have to do is not arrest or kill anyone!

Trollshaw is trollshaw

[StanUpshaw]

Trollshaw is trollshaw

Fuck you.

[Snoogans]

now i see why these debates never get anywhere. Even the people who fuckin agree argue.

[StanUpshaw]

I dunno...I've always thought of myself as a consensus builder.

[A.J.]

i dont understand how we can be so broke and they just wont do this.

my system:
the government takes complete control of the industry. They license companies to produce marijuana (most likely pharm or tobacco and alcohol companies. They would prob go easier if you hired them to produce it, basically replacing the money they would lose from people not using them as much) and send it to licensed shops (like a liquor license works in NJ basically). Those shops would be allowed to sell marijuana and hash to persons over the age of 18.
I would set the limit for possession to 15 grams of any combination of weed or hash.

I would, as the government, tax the profits of the producers 25% at the federal level. I would also tax the profits of the shop 25% at the federal level. Any state who allowed shops would receive 5% tax on profits to the state, and the producers would pay 5% tax to the state on all weed they sold to that state. So companies would be taxed 30% total. That combined with the reduce enforcement costs would help us out big time right now.

Any possession over 15 grams is automatically 6 months in jail for first and all subsequent offenses. Anyone who sells or grows it without a license receives 5 years for selling and 5 years per plant grown. anyone who provides it to someone under 18 gets an automatic 1 year.

Those autos. No more, no less. The other benefit is the incredible reduction in money and power that alot of drug cartels would have. I cant really think of a reason why they shouldnt allow people to do it in some form that they could tax.

Now how much do you tax head shops for roach clips, bowls and bongs?

[Silent Beard]

I have always been of the opinion that marijuana should be legal. What people put into their body is their business. But, as is the case in California, neighborhoods where legal marijuana depots are allowed, usually traffic in TERRIBLE negative aspects of society. Once marijuana is legal, in most states, and it will be, the pro-marijuana advocates will be happy, but they will NOT want a depot in their living area. Marijuana depots will be dreaded like porn theatres.

[Snoogans]

Now how much do you tax head shops for roach clips, bowls and bongs?

whatever they are charged now. They already are allowed to sell that shit. Tobacco use only and all that bullshit. anything you would need to smoke is already available, just to reiterate just how fucked up the rules are.

Na i leave that all the same. Whatever taxes they pay now and income tax is sufficient. The only thing that would change it is if the products were sold by the shop that sells the weed. Then it would be taxed on the level that the weed profits are cause its part of the profits

[Snoogans]

I have always been of the opinion that marijuana should be legal. What people put into their body is their business. But, as is the case in California, neighborhoods where legal marijuana depots are allowed, usually traffic in TERRIBLE negative aspects of society. Once marijuana is legal, in most states, and it will be, the pro-marijuana advocates will be happy, but they will NOT want a depot in their living area. Marijuana depots will be dreaded like porn theatres.

i dont think this will be the case. Remember there is only a limited number of dispensaries now cause of the legalities. If it was sold kinda how liquor is, you would end up with alot more places.

It would kinda be like liquor or whatever. If you are in a place that has alot of fucked up people, the shop will have that. But in other areas, i think it would mostly be the normal citizens that live in that area. Not people who had to come from 15 20 miles away cause its the closest shop

[Chigworthy]

Dammit, I thought we were going to solve this.

[ozzie]

It would come in brand packages, but raw, so its up to you whether you wanna smoke a bowl, a joint, etc..... You sell it loose and then people buy the shit to use it. Otherwise you kill off like 40 companies at least who currently make paraphernalia

How many people roll their own tobacco now, or use a pipe?

Some do, and some mfg and sell tobacco paraphernalia to those people. It's a small market, but it's there.

But the vast majority want the convenience of buying pre-rolled, filtered cigarettes.

I can't imagine that if it's legalized, that Phillip Morris won't be working on getting pre-rolled joint packs on the market the next day.

You're talking about opening it up to millions of people who don't currently use because it's illegal. Some "paraphernalia" users might switch, but you'll likely gain others who always wanted to own a bowl, bong or one-hitter, but never bought "drug parapernalia" before.

Plus joints are usually more than 1 person would need.

See, that's part of the problem with getting it legalized. The stuff now is just too damn potent. People are trying to sell the idea that it's no worse than alcohol, but if it can't be enjoyed in "moderation", it's going to be a tougher sell. It's hard to look at someone who is completely non-functional off of less than a joint, and explain that it's just a "recreational drug" to be used for relaxation or medicinal purposes.

I used to roll and smoke a full joint all by my lonesome, and sometimes smoke another later. You're absolutely right. The first time I went back after my "hiatus", I was shocked at how potent the stuff was. I was convinced that it must have been "laced" with something. That's how big the difference was from the stuff I was getting in 1990, compared to 2002.

Obviously you can't have "cigarette sized joints" of the stuff you're smoking now, but it is possible to grow plants with less potency, or create a blend to get the desired effect.

[Snoogans]

Dammit, I thought we were going to solve this.

like any good politician, im gonna bring a petition and use this poll to show that americans unequivocally want weed. Gallop reports shit based on a few thousand people. So i feel my sample size is fine.

roughly 96% of americans want weed to be at least decriminalized

[Snoogans]

How many people roll their own tobacco now, or use a pipe?

Some do, and some mfg and sell tobacco paraphernalia to those people. It's a small market, but it's there.

But the vast majority want the convenience of buying pre-rolled, filtered cigarettes.

I can't imagine that if it's legalized, that Phillip Morris won't be working on getting pre-rolled joint packs on the market the next day.

You're talking about opening it up to millions of people who don't currently use because it's illegal. Some "paraphernalia" users might switch, but you'll likely gain others who always wanted to own a bowl, bong or one-hitter, but never bought "drug parapernalia" before.


ok but cigarettes are different. Thats how they have always been produced. I would honesdtly tell you that the vast majority of weed smokers would not want it pre rolled because its a waste. You need alot less weed than that. Its much more economical (and healthy) to just smoke a bowl. Will they have some prerolled, depends how it works. But for the most part it would stay loose

[Snoogans]

See, that's part of the problem with getting it legalized. The stuff now is just too damn potent. People are trying to sell the idea that it's no worse than alcohol, but if it can't be enjoyed in "moderation", it's going to be a tougher sell. It's hard to look at someone who is completely non-functional off of less than a joint, and explain that it's just a "recreational drug" to be used for relaxation or medicinal purposes.

I used to roll and smoke a full joint all by my lonesome, and sometimes smoke another later. You're absolutely right. The first time I went back after my "hiatus", I was shocked at how potent the stuff was. I was convinced that it must have been "laced" with something. That's how big the difference was from the stuff I was getting in 1990, compared to 2002.

Obviously you can't have "cigarette sized joints" of the stuff you're smoking now, but it is possible to grow plants with less potency, or create a blend to get the desired effect.

na thats insane. They actually have done studies that showed that as the weed got more potent, people just smoked less. Alot of places, (countries considering a netherlands model) are actually encouraging selling the most potent kinds because of the reduction of any of the negative health risks associated with smoking it.

Most people know the difference, or will be with people who do. And if you do smoke too much, whatever, you are just gonna fall asleep wherever you are

[ozzie]

like any good politician, im gonna bring a petition and use this poll to show that americans unequivocally want weed. Gallop reports shit based on a few thousand people. So i feel my sample size is fine.

roughly 96% of americans want weed to be at least decriminalized

How many years did we fight for a D1-A college football playoff before we finally got one?

Most people said "it will never happen... at least not in my lifetime".

Keep up the fight!

[weekapaugjz]

me either. but id rather pay tax and 40 for an 8th than no tax and pay 50-60

i've never paid over 40 for an 8th.

[Snoogans]

i've never paid over 40 for an 8th.

then you need to come into the world of high quality buds. A friend of mine lived in Cali and used to brag on end about how awesome the medical bud was and how no illegal buds could come close.

Then he smoked some of what i normally have and he said holy shit, its basically the same fuckin thing. We dont fuck around here. We rip the 350-400 per ounce shit

also, i think it has alot to do with location. NJ doesnt have a huge amount of in state bud, esp since the penalties are very severe. So most of ours has to be brought in from other places, usually Canada or VT. Bigger states, like NY, grow alot more, and that would keep the price down. Also, your proximity to Canada helps. Bud prob comes past you on its way to here, and gradually gets more expensive on the trip

[high fly]

So i was reading from gallop polls that 80% of americans think medical should be ok, 75% think weed should be decriminalized, and a recent poll showed 50% think it should be blanket legal, with 46% saying it shouldnt.

But i know harris and gallop and all these poll places really dont ask that many people. I always found it funny that they can say 50% of americans prefer X and then it turns out they asked like 1000 americans. Also, you can skew data for almost any poll based on the location of the people you decide to poll.


As to the polling methodology, it ends up that a sample of that size generally gives an accurate picture. Unfortunately, my statistics class was so long ago I have forgotten precisely why. How questions are asked can skew results, so sometimes it is worthwhile to look at more than one poll on a question.

More to the point, since the mid-70s there have been large numbers of Americans who favor decriminalization or even legalization. I remember when a dozen or so states decriminalized, circa 1977 and many of those of us who favored legalization thought it was right around the corner.
President Carter once said the law should not harm a pot smoker more than the pot, and then there was the story of Jack Ford smoking dope on the White House roof or the balcony. I remember back then discussions in High Times where the magazine was saying it would take a lot longer than many thought at the time.
I am hoping it is legalized soon.
I say keep penalties for driving impaired or selling to kids and allow people to grow their own. Have growers pay a couple hundred bucks a year for a license or something and leave them alone.....

[Snoogans]

As to the polling methodology, it ends up that a sample of that size generally gives an accurate picture. Unfortunately, my statistics class was so long ago I have forgotten precisely why. How questions are asked can skew results, so sometimes it is worthwhile to look at more than one poll on a question.

More to the point, since the mid-70s there have been large numbers of Americans who favor decriminalization or even legalization. I remember when a dozen or so states decriminalized, circa 1977 and many of those of us who favored legalization thought it was right around the corner.
President Carter once said the law should not harm a pot smoker more than the pot, and then there was the story of Jack Ford smoking dope on the White House roof or the balcony. I remember back then discussions in High Times where the magazine was saying it would take a lot longer than many thought at the time.
I am hoping it is legalized soon.
I say keep penalties for driving impaired or selling to kids and allow people to grow their own. Have growers pay a couple hundred bucks a year for a license or something and leave them alone.....

where would you set the limit for number of plants?

[high fly]

See, that's part of the problem with getting it legalized. The stuff now is just too damn potent. People are trying to sell the idea that it's no worse than alcohol, but if it can't be enjoyed in "moderation", it's going to be a tougher sell.


I've been smoking since the Nixon administration.
Pot as potent as what one finds today was available back then; either the thai stick or the Hawaiian. I still fondly remember getting some pot that was black as the ace of spades back in '77 that was amazing. it was expensive for the time - $120 for a quarter pound. Thai stick was $20.

The fact is, today the higher quality weed is more available than it once was. It is used in moderation compared to back in the day when we'd typically buy an ounce a week for $30. Many times 3 of us would sit down and smoke an ounce in a few hours.

Today regular smokers smoke less volume to get the same high.

I still have an old 16-inch Tokemaster purchased in '76 but prefer my 18-inch Tobaccomaster purchased in '77. I paid about $15 bucks for each.

[high fly]

where would you set the limit for number of plants?

Hmmm, good question.
Off the cuff, I wouldn't set a limit. Let the market play out. I read a day or so ago how in California prices have dropped so low that many have gotten out of growing.
I don't know, if there has to be a limit, make it 50 or a hundred plants. Or begin with a lower number if it is decided to only allow people to grow enough for themselves.
I prefer pot grown outdoors, and did very well when I was doing it. But one has to grow enough to last the year that way, whereas growing indoors makes it possible, with more, but smaller plants, to harvest several times a year.
I begin with the idea that peoiple should be allowed to grow enough for themselves and think the question of whether to allow them to grow enough to sell should be a separate question.

[high fly]

Heh heh, I remember a time when green pot was viewed with disdain..... Even in the early 80s when better strains became available, the fact it was green made it difficult to sell.
I remember one of the things to look for in a bag of 'lombo was this little grayish-blue thing that was an egg cluster of some insect that grew at higher altitudes, supposedly, and was a sort of mark of good weed. ....

Now that I'm geezing, anyone remember those power hitters from back in the day? It was a small plastic bottle and you'd put a joint inside it, attached to a tube on the cap. You'd fill the inside with smoke, then squeeze the bottle and a stream of concentrated smoke would come out. One would take a hit and toss the thing to a friend if they were out of reach....

[Snoogans]

Heh heh, I remember a time when green pot was viewed with disdain..... Even in the early 80s when better strains became available, the fact it was green made it difficult to sell.
I remember one of the things to look for in a bag of 'lombo was this little grayish-blue thing that was an egg cluster of some insect that grew at higher altitudes, supposedly, and was a sort of mark of good weed. ....

Now that I'm geezing, anyone remember those power hitters from back in the day? It was a small plastic bottle and you'd put a joint inside it, attached to a tube on the cap. You'd fill the inside with smoke, then squeeze the bottle and a stream of concentrated smoke would come out. One would take a hit and toss the thing to a friend if they were out of reach....

they call them gravity bongs now. you use water. The suction fills the bottle, then you drop it back in to water and push it all out the top

[high fly]

they call them gravity bongs now. you use water. The suction fills the bottle, then you drop it back in to water and push it all out the top

That what those things are? I always wondered. Sounds kinda messy.
Hey - remember the ones with the chambers in them and the tubes wrapping around the bong stem? Some outfit in Maryland used to sell them. The idea was you could take the thing apart and have a big clot of resin to smoke.
I stopped smoking resin early on. Made me feel too much like a helpless addict, plus the high wasn't so hot, either.

I also still have a chamber pipe from back in the day.

While I'm on the topic, may as well share my "bong ice technology". I can get obsessive about things, and this came from a desire to maximize the TM smoking experience. After having smoked many different type devices, I think the technology topped out with the 18-inch Tobaccomaster.
It began when I read in the High Times about how breaking the smoke into smaller bubbles made for a better smoke, especially if it passed over ice to cool it.
So what I do now is partially fill ice trays and put them in the freezer canted with one corner up. This makes cubes that fit nicely around the stem, and I make them in different sizes with a few large ones in there to keep the smaller ones from melting too quickly.
This way one can pull hits through and acroiss a lot more ice, if one keeps an eye on things.
The operative principle is the ice will melt down half as high as it is stacked in the tube. So if the water level is an inch below the fill-mark, you can put ice an inch above it and it will melt to the level of the mark.
What I do is put extra ice in there and after every 2 or 3 hits, remove the bowl and pour a little water out.

Lastly, a TM will last longer if you don't tighten the bowl too much. I have a carb under the bowl and after a hit, a nudge of my finger loosens it.
Back in the day, they was selling Tokemasters that didn't have the metal ring to receive the bowl. Heavy usage would heat the bowl so much I seen stems melt at the top and kind of droop over with the plastic all distorted at the top. I also reinforced the back of the stem between it and the tube with caulk because the most common accident was to knock it over, have it fall on the stem and it would break. Next time I have to recaulk I'm gonna use 3-M 5200 and am sure that will be the last time I ever have to do so. It is not easy to work with, but I am good at that sort of thing......

[Snoogans]

That what those things are? I always wondered. Sounds kinda messy.
Hey - remember the ones with the chambers in them and the tubes wrapping around the bong stem? Some outfit in Maryland used to sell them. The idea was you could take the thing apart and have a big clot of resin to smoke.
I stopped smoking resin early on. Made me feel too much like a helpless addict, plus the high wasn't so hot, either.

I also still have a chamber pipe from back in the day.

While I'm on the topic, may as well share my "bong ice technology". I can get obsessive about things, and this came from a desire to maximize the TM smoking experience. After having smoked many different type devices, I think the technology topped out with the 18-inch Tobaccomaster.
It began when I read in the High Times about how breaking the smoke into smaller bubbles made for a better smoke, especially if it passed over ice to cool it.
So what I do now is partially fill ice trays and put them in the freezer canted with one corner up. This makes cubes that fit nicely around the stem, and I make them in different sizes with a few large ones in there to keep the smaller ones from melting too quickly.
This way one can pull hits through and acroiss a lot more ice, if one keeps an eye on things.
The operative principle is the ice will melt down half as high as it is stacked in the tube. So if the water level is an inch below the fill-mark, you can put ice an inch above it and it will melt to the level of the mark.
What I do is put extra ice in there and after every 2 or 3 hits, remove the bowl and pour a little water out.

Lastly, a TM will last longer if you don't tighten the bowl too much. I have a carb under the bowl and after a hit, a nudge of my finger loosens it.
Back in the day, they was selling Tokemasters that didn't have the metal ring to receive the bowl. Heavy usage would heat the bowl so much I seen stems melt at the top and kind of droop over with the plastic all distorted at the top. I also reinforced the back of the stem between it and the tube with caulk because the most common accident was to knock it over, have it fall on the stem and it would break. Next time I have to recaulk I'm gonna use 3-M 5200 and am sure that will be the last time I ever have to do so. It is not easy to work with, but I am good at that sort of thing......

basically what you do is get a 2 or 3 liter bottle. Cut the top off and use that as the water bottle. Then get a 1 liter bottle for the smoke bottle. Fill the water bottle full enough to come just below the neck of the smoke bottle. You use the smoke bottle cap to make a bowl (a 1/4 - 1/2 inch socket plugged through the cap works best). Put the cap on, light it, slowly lift the bottle. It fills with smoke, unscrew the cap, put your mouth about 2 inches above the smoke bottle (any less you might suck up water) and push the smoke bottle back into the water bottle.

1 or 2 of those and you are wrecked

[high fly]

Ok, I get it now. I've been hearing about the things for years but never seened one. I can see how the same principle is in play as with the old power hitters.

But y'know what? After all these years I say gimme that 18-inch TM. In my opinion it is the best.
I keep mine pretty clean by squirting dishwashing liquid in there and turning it to get an even coating, letting it sit for a couple hours, then squirting more dishwashing liquid on a bong brush, inserting that into the stem and pouring hot water in there. I used to use some shit made just to clean bongs, but this way works fine.
They key is loading small enough hits so some fresh air can be drawn behind the hit.

[A.J.]

Fucking stoners. I'm calling the cops!

[hanso]

I'd like Roseanne Roseannadanna's take on this.

[Snoogans]

I'd like Roseanne Roseannadanna's take on this.

i heard she moved to hawaii and when they denied her medical weed she said fuck it and moved back to Cali

[Snoogans]

http://www.northjersey.com/news/crime_courts/051712_NJ_lawmakers_to_hear_marijuana_decriminaliz ation_bill.html?c=y&page=1

New Jersey lawmakers are set to consider a bill that would decriminalize the possession of up to a half ounce of marijuana, a move that would bring the state's drug policies closer to those in neighboring Connecticut and New York.

The Assembly Judiciary Committee is slated to hold a hearing Monday that would downgrade possession of small amounts of marijuana and drug paraphernalia, making both punishable by fines. The proposal calls for penalties of $100 to $500 for marijuana possession and fines of $100 for possession of a pipe, rolling papers and other drug paraphernalia. Violators who are underage or have multiple convictions would be referred for drug counseling.

[PapaBear]

I'm surprised that the lone vote for total illegality is from a dentist.

[Snoogans]

Looks liek the people speaking in Washington and Colorado did what most advocates were hoping for. Open the flood gates

"State legislators in Rhode Island and Maine will announce bills tomorrow to legalize recreational marijuana, a spokesperson for the Marijuana Policy Project announced today."

http://reason.com/blog/2012/11/14/state-legislators-in-rhode-island-and-ma

[brettmojo]

Looks liek the people speaking in Washington and Colorado did what most advocates were hoping for. Open the flood gates

"State legislators in Rhode Island and Maine will announce bills tomorrow to legalize recreational marijuana, a spokesperson for the Marijuana Policy Project announced today."

http://reason.com/blog/2012/11/14/state-legislators-in-rhode-island-and-ma

Like in many other things... NY will never get on board with this.

[Snoogans]

Like in many other things... NY will never get on board with this.

actually NY is starting to come around. They have called a meeting of the house and senate to legalize medical marijuana cause so many citizens are talking about it. i think within the next couple years the feds will just say fuck it, do whatever you want as a state with weed.

They already told Washington and Colorado they arent gonna really care about it. They will just let it go. By the time they tell states do what you want officially, the sales and tax programs of rado and washington will be up and running and other states will see the benefits and just do it.

[brettmojo]

actually NY is starting to come around. They have called a meeting of the house and senate to legalize medical marijuana cause so many citizens are talking about it. i think within the next couple years the feds will just say fuck it, do whatever you want as a state with weed.

They already told Washington and Colorado they arent gonna really care about it. They will just let it go. By the time they tell states do what you want officially, the sales and tax programs of rado and washington will be up and running and other states will see the benefits and just do it.

Maybe Weeds nailed it.

[Snoogans]

Maybe Weeds nailed it.

i dont have showtime, so i dont get that

[brettmojo]

i dont have showtime, so i dont get that

Basically... Weed is legalized in the near future and it's sold in coffee shops and such like in Amsterdam.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

NYS Assemblyman who voted against legalizing medical marijuana arrested for.......



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/15/steve-katz-marijuana-possession_n_2885697.html

[Kevin]

NYS Assemblyman who voted against legalizing medical marijuana arrested for.......



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/15/steve-katz-marijuana-possession_n_2885697.html

Boy you are on a posting days and weeks old news roll!

First Virgil now this!

[falcon95]

it should be completely legal i should be able to buy it like a pack of cigarettes.how cool would the weed marlboro pack look:smoke:

[Snoogans]

it should be completely legal i should be able to buy it like a pack of cigarettes.how cool would the weed marlboro pack look:smoke:

i dont think that would ever happen. I think they would license people locally per pop to grow it. I dont think they will have national shit like that cause its gonna tick off state by state. By the time its fully national, so many states will have local growers already that i think it will follow that model

[A.J.]

it should be completely legal i should be able to buy it like a pack of cigarettes.how cool would the weed marlboro pack look:smoke:

"I'd like a pack of Weed Marlboro red eyes."

[Syd]

Maryland may possibly decriminalize possession of 10g or less of marijuana. Small but promising start toward decriminalizing it here.

[Snoogans]

Maryland may possibly decriminalize possession of 10g or less of marijuana. Small but promising start toward decriminalizing it here.

Delegate Curt Anderson (D-Baltimore) has introduced legislation, House Bill 1453, that seeks to make Maryland the third state to legalize and regulate the adult use of marijuana. The House Committee on the Judiciary held a public hearing on Tuesday, March 19. Representatives from NORML, MPP, NAACP, LEAP, and the ACLU testified in favor of the measure. You can read the text of NORML’s written testimony in favor the measure here. The committee has yet to vote on the bill.

[A.J.]

Maryland may possibly decriminalize possession of 10g or less of marijuana. Small but promising start toward decriminalizing it here.

Delegate Curt Anderson (D-Baltimore) has introduced legislation, House Bill 1453, that seeks to make Maryland the third state to legalize and regulate the adult use of marijuana. The House Committee on the Judiciary held a public hearing on Tuesday, March 19. Representatives from NORML, MPP, NAACP, LEAP, and the ACLU testified in favor of the measure. You can read the text of NORML’s written testimony in favor the measure here. The committee has yet to vote on the bill.

I saw this story on yesterday's news but literally laughed out loud when I saw the dude at 1:03. I'm glad to see he got time off from the record store so he could attend the hearing.

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