2012 NCAA football thread

[sailor]

Starting 2014 there will be a four-team Division I FBS playoff.

[ozzie]

Much improved over anything we've had before... but still too few teams involved as compared to the total number of D1-A schools "eligible".

And, sadly, there's still the "human factor" of a "selection committee", but there are far fewer of them to hold accountable for their decisions. I'll take that over random "harris poll" voters, and it was always ridiculous to have coaches having a say in it.

I wish that now all the polls would just go away, but I know that will never happen.

And even though I'm in SEC country, I disagree with Slive, and I like the fact that winning your conference will be factored in. (although still not a requirement, and not a guarantee of anything)

If this had been in place last year, I think a "selection committee" would have selected Oregon, who actually won the Pac 12, over Stanford, and I would have agreed whole heartedly.

As far as the other conference winners last year... with so many "polls" out, not many had a strong argument. I'm sure the Big 10 folks would have lobbied hard for Wisconsin. Would (should?) they have gotten in... doubtful, but it will be something to consider.

Where it really would have gotten interesting would have been if UGA had knocked off LSU in the SECCG. Then what the hell do you do?

Can you have a "playoff" that doesn't include the SEC "champ"? If not, what the hell was the point of having that game?

If you vault UGA up in there, who do you leave out?

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8925/2011bcsrankingsaftercgs.jpg
(Conf Champs are circled)

I still argue that every school (fuck Notre Dame, join the Big 10 already) controls their own destiny within their own conference. Essentially, the "playoff" starts in conference play.

Imagine if there were no polls last year, and the "committee" had selected the "top 4 ranked" conference champions (assuming again that UGA beat LSU, and jumps Clemson in the final "poll"), you'd have:

1. Oklahoma State vs 4. Georgia

2. Oregon vs. 3. Wisconsin

Were those the "4 best teams"? Probably not. But in that scenario, who really got "screwed"?

bama had their "playoff" game against LSU, and lost.
LSU had theirs against UGA
Stanford had theirs against Oregon
Arky lost to both bama and LSU
Boise lost to TCU
...and so on.

So who wasn't already in some sort of "playoff" game during the regular season or conference championship game?

How much more meaningful do the conference games then become?

Would that be "perfect"? No. Far from it. But neither is what they are proposing now. It's just too few schools.

I still see this eventually growing into a system with a certain number of conf champs, and some "at large" schools, just like basketball and baseball.

BUT... there's plenty of time to bitch about what's lacking. This is a HUGE victory, and a HUGE step in the right direction.

[ozzie]

And just to back up my statement of this being "too few teams involved", consider this:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4842/playoffcomparison.jpg

[Snoogans]

i just wish it woulda been 8. 8 is the best number for it. 16 is too many and 4 isnt enough

Im fine with it, but i cant wait for them to go to 8

[cougarjake13]

And this is locked in for what next 14 yrs ?

So it'll be that long before they can add more teams ?

[ozzie]

And this is locked in for what next 14 yrs ?

So it'll be that long before they can add more teams ?

I thought I read 12. Still too damn long.

But, then again, it was only like last year that people were telling me that they would NEVER change from the bcs shit in my lifetime.

They're still going to have to prove that EVERY D1-A school has a legitimate shot at this, or else face the wrath of another house bill being introduced to cut fed money.

I still think it was the fear of reform being forced upon them, that led to them making any change. And if they don't think that this 4-team format is sufficient (i.e., a school that was "eligible" get's "screwed"), a similar bill could be introduced again.

H.R. 3696: College Football Playoff Act of 2011

112th Congress, 2011–2012

To prohibit, as an unfair and deceptive act or practice, the promotion, marketing, and advertising of any post-season NCAA Division I football game as a national championship game unless such game is the culmination of a fair and equitable playoff system.

Sponsor:Rep. Joe Barton [R-TX6]

SEC. 3. PROHIBITED ACT.
(a) Promotion of Game- It shall be unlawful for any person to promote, market, or advertise a post-season National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division I Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) football game as a championship or national championship game, unless the game is the final game of a single elimination post-season playoff system for which all NCAA Division I FBS conferences and unaffiliated Division I FBS teams are eligible.

[razorboy]

I would've preferred a six team field with top two seed bye.

[MagillaGorillaz]

Aren't they adding two more sights to play these games? The Cotton bowl looks to be the winner. What would the other bowl be?

[ozzie]

Aren't they adding two more sights to play these games? The Cotton bowl looks to be the winner. What would the other bowl be?

As of now, the semi's would be held in the former "bcs bowl" sites.

The championship game location is open to the highest bidder.

I expect JJ to do whatever it takes to have the first one held in Dallas.

[ozzie]

Doubt it will make national news, but AU just "flipped" the #2 overall ranked player (Foster) who was previously "committed" to bama.

I don't want to count our chickens and stuff, but this year's crop of defensive recruits could be one of the best ever at AU.

From ESPN's player rankings:

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i464/bjs0012/Picture2png14-31-14-105.png

AU has been desperately thin at d-line, and has had no weaker position over the last 5 years or so than at LB.

This could be a huge boost to AU over the next few years. A few could make an immediate impact as freshmen.


...aaaaaand, cue the jokes about how much AU is paying these kids in 3... 2... 1...

[Snoogans]

i just picked up NCAA 13 for PS3. actually tuesday i got it but, they added some nasty shit. Esp to recruiting. you get to scout now along with calling and pitching kids.

Also the named rosters are already up and available and awesome.

[underdog]

i just picked up NCAA 13 for PS3. actually tuesday i got it but, they added some nasty shit. Esp to recruiting. you get to scout now along with calling and pitching kids.

Also the named rosters are already up and available and awesome.

Is there much difference from 12 to 13?

[Snoogans]

Is there much difference from 12 to 13?

in terms of game play, some minor shit. they added precision passing so when you aim the throw it throwsz away from the DB but not 10 yards that way. Its alot smoother. They also added a reaction time thing to road to glory where you can put everything in slow mo for a couple seconds to see the shit better. its a little cheap but kinda fun.

The presentation is much better. they throw to rece davis in the studio for updates during games and shit. its pretty cool. And the features are updated. But for the most part its alot like last years

[JimBeam]

And just to back up my statement of this being "too few teams involved", consider this:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4842/playoffcomparison.jpg

Expanding the number of teams that get in doesn't mean you're allowing more qualified teams to win it all.

College baseball has allowed 64 teams for years now and yet your champions, in most cases, are the teams/conferences you expect every year.

Anybody who follows college baseball knew there was no shot for Stony Brook or Kent St to win the title. It made for a great story but it was an illusion.

And people who bitch that Alabama didn't win their conference and can't be national champion can't then also love an NCAA basketball system that allowd a UConn team, that finished 9th in its own conference, to be champion.

How are you the best if in a 30+ game season 8 other teams were better than you ?

Not the best. Just the hottest when it mattered.

4 teams is a good starting point but we all know no number of teams will ever make everybody happy.

Now instead of debating the 2 BCS teams we'll debate the 4 championship round teams.

That'll actually make the championship game debate kinda of dull. I mean people could argue that the #5 team, left out, could beat the #1 team but nobody could argue that the losers in the 1st round games were in any way cheated.

[ozzie]

Anybody who follows college baseball knew there was no shot for Stony Brook or Kent St to win the title. It made for a great story but it was an illusion.

LSU was "ranked" higher than Stony Brook. According to all polls, LSU was the "better team", and if the field selected to go to Omaha only included the top 8 ranked teams, neither Kent or Stony Brook got in. Neither would Arkansas, etc.

THAT is why having a 64 field team made the difference, and made it fun as hell this year. (Except to LSU fans, of course)

How can you say you're still the "better team", if you can't beat Stony Brook 2 out of 3 games AT YOUR HOME FIELD!?!?!

Not the best. Just the hottest when it mattered.

Same can be said for any sports league that has any sort of multi-team playoff.

I, for one, am pretty glad that the Packers weren't voted the #1 team and "National Champion" last year.

The Giants weren't the "best team" for all 22 weeks last year, so what the hell are they doing wearing those rings?

Same for the St. Louis Cards... and on, and on.

Now instead of debating the 2 BCS teams we'll debate the 4 championship round teams.

That'll actually make the championship game debate kinda of dull. I mean people could argue that the #5 team, left out, could beat the #1 team but nobody could argue that the losers in the 1st round games were in any way cheated.

Exactly.

[ozzie]

College baseball has allowed 64 teams for years now and yet your champions, in most cases, are the teams/conferences you expect every year.

Cal State Fullerton - Titles in 1979, 1984, 1995, 2004

Wichita State - 1989

Pepperdine - 1992

Rice - 2003

Fresno State - 2008


And this is just titles. Countless other times that "mid majors" have gone to Omaha and been real contenders.

Yes, "most cases" the CWS champ is from a "Major Conference". Those shools have more money, better facilities = getting better recruits... AND get to host the "playoffs" at their home stadiums?

The "regionals" and "super-regionals" are almost ALWAYS held at schools from the Major conferences. Why? Better / bigger stadiums = more ticket sales. So most of these "mid-majors" that do make it to Omaha, are having to do it at their opposition's home field.

This makes it even tougher to do in baseball than basketball, yet it happens even more often. With all that's stacked against them, it's a f'ing miracle that any "mid-major" ever makes it to the CWS... let alone win it all. Yet, it still happens.

Play all the regionals at neutral sites... could be even more.

Amazing what happens when you don't "vote" on who the better teams are, and actually let them play the games on a field to decide.

[JimBeam]

LSU was w/o a doubt a better team than Stony Brook, over a 60 game season, and that's not even up for debate.

They earned the right to play LSU because they won 4 games in a regional to advance even if they did get to the regionals because they got to 50 wins playing the likes of Yale and Albany while LSU played UF, South Carolina and Arkansas.

Stony Brook was just the better team when it mattered and kudos to them. Maybe someday they will have 6 national titles in 20 years. But I doubt it.

And baseball, like basketball, allows for a truer conference champion because you're not playing a team 1 time.

In most cases you're playing every team in your conference a 3 game set and then playing some of them again in the tournament.

Same thing with basketball. You play a home/away game and then a tourament.

In football you play a team in your conference once.

[ozzie]

I actually agree with part of your argument.

64 is too many for baseball and basketball (actually 68 with all the play-ins).

I agree that a school that finishes 9th in their conference, shouldn't make a tournament.

There are entirely too many "at large" spots in both.

I think where we disagree is on whether or not every mid-major conference should be represented.

And once you include a school from the colonial league, people start comparing them to the 4th best in the SEC... and then you end up with these monster fields.

But, getting back to football... there's just no way for all 125 D-1A college football teams to play each other, or to play "comparable" schools, over a 12 week regular season to truly say who the 4 best teams are.

That's why I just don't think 4 teams is sufficient.

[keithy_19]

So no one else is gonna miss getting angry at the BCS?

[JimBeam]

No because I think the new outrage will be over who was left out of the 4.

Also the bias/ignorance of the selection committees.

That will all take it's place.

[spoon]

No because I think the new outrage will be over who was left out of the 4.

Also the bias/ignorance of the selection committees.

That will all take it's place.

well that's not as huge a deal bc at least there, you team has enough doubts that it's just too tough to prove top 4

I have no issue with AT LEAST 4 teams in, but would rather more...perhaps 8 sounds great, 16 and we're starting to get too big and what are the odds a 9-16 ranked team wins 4 games? Yet this does look fun/nice though right?!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_78PmS6zLve0/Szg2i9Pl_wI/AAAAAAAABZw/PnS1-9yDAW0/s400/College_Football_Playoff_2009_Bracket.bmp

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2010/12/ipt/1291619341.jpg

[spoon]

8 team example (with some bcs invitational crap added...yet there would be no reason not to have extra old fashioned bowl games outside the championship, just not tied to the top ranked/championship.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3BaJMgGKAmE/SdrO_WCscgI/AAAAAAAAJ1w/P7Rh5wVHx0I/s400/BCS+Playoff+format.bmp

[underdog]

I like those things spoon posted. I don't get why people would be against multiple teams vying for the championship over the last month of the season, playing each other.

[Snoogans]

I like those things spoon posted. I don't get why people would be against multiple teams vying for the championship over the last month of the season, playing each other.

the one problem with the spoon shit is they dropped the auto bids. So even if it ever goes up to 8 or 16, there wont be auto bids. Just a selection committee.

[spoon]

i just posted pics of the idea from google

it's not an exact thing, just a rough idea that has honestly been around way too long for it not to be done by now

[JimBeam]

My concern is the weight that will be given to a conference champion over a presumed wildcard.

Say a Big Ten team ( just for example ) goes 8-0 in conference and wins the league but also dropped 2 non-conference games to a BCS league team and a non-BCS team.

Then you have a team from another league that lost only 1 game, to the team that won their conference, and had quality wins.

How could a league champion be better than the 2nd example ?

In no world would I consider the winner of any league, other than the Big Ten/PAC 12/Big 12/ACC ( maybe ), better than that ARK team last year that's only 2 losses were to the teams that played for the national championship.

[ozzie]

I have to remind SEC fans down here often, that it wasn't very long ago that the Big 12 was claiming to have the 3 best teams in the country after their conference play, using the same rationale that SEC fans love to use. "Their only loss was to (another team from the same conference)".

Texas' only loss was to Tech... OU's only loss was to Texas... and Tech's only loss was to OU.

OU was "voted" #1 in week 5. Texas beating them obviously meant Texas was now the #1 team. Then after Tech beat Texas, obviously THEY should then hold the strap, right?

And since no one else beat one of these #1 Big 12 schools, these were obviously the 3 best teams in the country... right?

Should all 3 have been included in a 4 team playoff that year?

Before that (2006), it was Michigan and Ohio State making the same claim as #1 and #2.

Most schools only play 3 to 4 non-conf games a year, and THEY pick and choose those match-ups. They're usually early in the year... and, honestly, the majority are against "mid-majors", or even D-1AA schools.

There's just no way that anyone is going to know, for a fact, exactly which conference is definitively better than another.

All of the SEC schools have a say in how their conference is run, from how the divisions are aligned, to the division tie-breakers, and agreed upon a championship game to decide their champ. For lack of a better term, it's a "tournament", with round-robin games, and a two-team "playoff". It's why every SEC game is exciting and important.

Every SEC school has a "fair" shot at the title, and that winner is almost guaranteed a shot at a national championship, even with only a 4 team playoff.

I don't get why SEC fans aren't satisfied with that, and are already, before the first "selection" has even come out, campaigning for a format that allows "second chances". And it never occurs to them that any other conference could use that same "second chance" format to get multiple schools from their conference in.

[JimBeam]

And since no one else beat one of these #1 Big 12 schools, these were obviously the 3 best teams in the country... right?

Nobody, outside of the Big 12 though that.

Same as nobody, with an sense, though the the Ohio St and Michigan teams were the 2 best in the country.

The hindsight being 20/20 thing showed that by both teams getting beaten handily by their BCS opponents.

I'm not saying you don't win your conference and then claim your conference schedule should w/o a doubt get you an at large bid.

But say the tables were turned, and LSU's only loss had been to Alabama, would a winner of a WAC conferene have been better than everything that LSU accomplished outside of the loss to Alabama ?

LSU's non-conference schedule alone was probably stronger than many of the other league's conference schedules.

What if the winner of a conference is 5-3 in conference, w/ 2 losses outside of the conference, yet wins that conference ?

Should a 7-5 winner of a conference be above a 11-1 team that didn't win their conference ?

That's absurd.

If UCLA last year wins the PAC12 title should they have gotten in any playoff ahead of an Alabama ?

[ozzie]

Teams, conferences, divisions, and leagues go up and down all the time.

I'm pretty sure after the first two superbowls people were naming the number of NFL teams that were "better" than the AFL representative, and wondering why they were even bothering to play this charade.

And again from 1984 - 1996 when most years the NFC divisional and championship games was usually more "competetive" than the superbowl that followed.

And as spoon has mentioned in other threads... how many times was the team finishing THIRD in the AL East "better" than anyone in the AL Central?

I was as pumped as anyone else for the "Game of the Century" last year between LSU and bama. Most knew that this was "the real SEC championship game". Hell, possibly the "real national championship game".

But, if the only thing it were to decide was higher seedings in a playoff system that included at large teams, it wouldn't have mattered nearly as much.

And, of course, in the end, it didn't mean anything anyway, even with a 2-team "playoff".

I am happy with how the SEC crowns their champ, and YES, they took the risk of having UGA as their "champ" last year by giving the SECEast winner as much chance as the west winner.

bama had their shot at LSU. You can't say the same thing for OkState or Wisconsin (or any other conf winner besides Oregon). You can repeat all you want about what you think would have happened to those teams if they had played... but we'll never know. They did what it took to win their conference, no matter what you think about the strength of those conferences, either would have deserved ONE shot at LSU before bama deserved a SECOND.

And, YES, if the Pac12 decides that UCLA is their "champ", by virtue of winning (by default) a weak division and pulling an upset in their championship game, then so be it.

It just puts more importance and excitement into the regular season and the conf championship games. I don't see that as being a bad thing.

I'll take any format that decides the better team on a football field, over a system that is decided by a "vote", every time.

[ozzie]

i just picked up NCAA 13 for PS3. actually tuesday i got it but, they added some nasty shit. Esp to recruiting. you get to scout now along with calling and pitching kids.

Also the named rosters are already up and available and awesome.

Cam Newton - NCAA Football 12 - Road to Glory, from High School, (skipping his one year at UF), to Blinn CC, to AU and the Nat'l Championship.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/6Q8maXaQVeg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Someone has a lot of time on their hands. Says it was done with NCAA 12, but they seem to have the whole AU 2010 roster. Is that possible?

Either way, I don't know how the hell they were able to re-create shit like Cam's TD catch against Ole Miss, and the hail mary pass in the SECCG.


And, yeah, my kid got NCAA 13. First thing he did was look to put Bo, or Cam, or even Pat Sullivan onto his current team, and NONE of the AU Heisman Winners are available.

He settled on creating "Bo Jackson" from scratch, and going the road to glory route.

[Snoogans]

Cam Newton - NCAA Football 12 - Road to Glory, from High School, (skipping his one year at UF), to Blinn CC, to AU and the Nat'l Championship.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/6Q8maXaQVeg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Someone has a lot of time on their hands. Says it was done with NCAA 12, but they seem to have the whole AU 2010 roster. Is that possible?

Either way, I don't know how the hell they were able to re-create shit like Cam's TD catch against Ole Miss, and the hail mary pass in the SECCG.


And, yeah, my kid got NCAA 13. First thing he did was look to put Bo, or Cam, or even Pat Sullivan onto his current team, and NONE of the AU Heisman Winners are available.

He settled on creating "Bo Jackson" from scratch, and going the road to glory route.

he coulda just edited all the names on the team.

[Snoogans]

right now, after a year as RU offensive coordinator where we went 11-1 and won the big east, im sitting at 8-2 as the HC of Oregon State, about to go into Rice Eccels stadium and stomp some fake mormons

[cougarjake13]

right now, after a year as RU offensive coordinator where we went 11-1 and won the big east, im sitting at 8-2 as the HC of Oregon State, about to go into Rice Eccels stadium and stomp some fake mormons



maybe one day ull get to the nfl


fingers crossed

[Snoogans]

maybe one day ull get to the nfl


fingers crossed

i bet they add that. You can already create yourself as a player and eventually enter yourself into the superstar mode in madden. I but its just a matter of time before you can import yourself as a coach, too

[Snoogans]

Teams, conferences, divisions, and leagues go up and down all the time.

I'm pretty sure after the first two superbowls people were naming the number of NFL teams that were "better" than the AFL representative, and wondering why they were even bothering to play this charade.

And again from 1984 - 1996 when most years the NFC divisional and championship games was usually more "competetive" than the superbowl that followed.

And as spoon has mentioned in other threads... how many times was the team finishing THIRD in the AL East "better" than anyone in the AL Central?

I was as pumped as anyone else for the "Game of the Century" last year between LSU and bama. Most knew that this was "the real SEC championship game". Hell, possibly the "real national championship game".

But, if the only thing it were to decide was higher seedings in a playoff system that included at large teams, it wouldn't have mattered nearly as much.

And, of course, in the end, it didn't mean anything anyway, even with a 2-team "playoff".

I am happy with how the SEC crowns their champ, and YES, they took the risk of having UGA as their "champ" last year by giving the SECEast winner as much chance as the west winner.

bama had their shot at LSU. You can't say the same thing for OkState or Wisconsin (or any other conf winner besides Oregon). You can repeat all you want about what you think would have happened to those teams if they had played... but we'll never know. They did what it took to win their conference, no matter what you think about the strength of those conferences, either would have deserved ONE shot at LSU before bama deserved a SECOND.

And, YES, if the Pac12 decides that UCLA is their "champ", by virtue of winning (by default) a weak division and pulling an upset in their championship game, then so be it.

It just puts more importance and excitement into the regular season and the conf championship games. I don't see that as being a bad thing.

I'll take any format that decides the better team on a football field, over a system that is decided by a "vote", every time.
until every game is played in WICHITA, none of it matters

[underdog]

until every game is played in WICHITA, none of it matters

:lol::lol::lol:

I'm so looking forward to him coming back next week.

[Snoogans]

:lol::lol::lol:

I'm so looking forward to him coming back next week.

i noticed drew hasnt posted anything on KSK since april. Im worried that he left there cause he is on DS, gawker, and GQ now. We might not have anymore fun with PK unless he brings it to deadspin

[underdog]

i noticed drew hasnt posted anything on KSK since april. Im worried that he left there cause he is on DS, gawker, and GQ now. We might not have anymore fun with PK unless he brings it to deadspin

He gave Fun with PK to Christmas Ape. I think Drew is trying to become an actual journalist or something.

Also :

http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/pkcatamount2-600x469.jpg

[Snoogans]

He gave Fun with PK to Christmas Ape. I think Drew is trying to become an actual journalist or something.

Also :

http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/pkcatamount2-600x469.jpg

that looks like half of PK.

It actually reminds me of George Wendt when he was in Gung Ho playin softball against those japs

[spoon]

Paterno statue coming down and it's the next seven topics on the espn bottom line now.

[spoon]

It was moved inside the stadium and it's now being reported that PSU will face "unprecedented penalties that likely will include loss of bowl appearances, scholarships or both". "NCAA president Mark Emmert has been granted the authority to punish through non-traditional methods...but not expected to receive the death penalty." Announcement from Emmert on Monday.

Close enough...this will cripple PSU for years.

[cougarjake13]

wow

it's basically over

[A.J.]

Paterno statue coming down and it's the next seven topics on the espn bottom line now.

I was reading that some Penn State students and fans were crying when this happened.

You know what's sadder? Little kids that were raped because he chose to protect his precious program.

[spoon]

I was reading that some Penn State students and fans were crying when this happened.

You know what's sadder? Little kids that were raped because he chose to protect his precious program.

agreed

they should shove the trophy up anyone's ass that cries about it, including his family and Sandusky

[spoon]

but at least Joe installed all that class in kids to not wear hats inside and always be on time

thank GOD he taught the kids life lessons

fucking hypocritical old codger

[KnoxHarrington]

but at least Joe installed all that class in kids to not wear hats inside and always be on time

thank GOD he taught the kids life lessons

fucking hypocritical old codger

Because being seen inside with a hat on disgraces the program!

[Snoogans]

Because being seen inside with a hat on disgraces the program!

plus then coach cant see everyones pretty eyes

[spoon]

:ohmy:

[KnoxHarrington]

God damn the Paterno family is stupid as hell. Here's the beginning of their statement criticizing Penn State's decision to take down Joe Paterno's statue:

Tearing down the statue of Joe Paterno does not serve the victims of Jerry Sandusky's horrible crimes or help heal the Penn State Community. We believe the only way to help the victims is to uncover the full truth. The Freeh report, though it has been accepted by the media as the definitive conclusion on the Sandusky scandal, is the equivalent of an indictment - a charging document written by a prosecutor - and an incomplete and unofficial one at that.

First of all, are you guys sure you want to say this?

Secondly, they sound like victims of abuse trying to make excuses for their abuser. "You don't know him like we do!"

http://deadspin.com/5928059/paterno-family-removing-statue-does-not-serve-victims?tag=penn-state-scandal

[A.J.]

Tearing down the statue of Joe Paterno does not serve the victims of Jerry Sandusky's horrible crimes or help heal the Penn State Community.

Jerry Sandusky's horrible crimes took place because Joe Paterno helped to allow them to continue to happen at Penn State.

How fucking delusional are these people? Kick them the fuck off of the campus once and for all.

[underdog]

It was moved inside the stadium and it's now being reported that PSU will face "unprecedented penalties that likely will include loss of bowl appearances, scholarships or both". "NCAA president Mark Emmert has been granted the authority to punish through non-traditional methods...but not expected to receive the death penalty." Announcement from Emmert on Monday.

Close enough...this will cripple PSU for years.

I was really hoping they'd take away the football program, if not all sports.

Taking away bowls and scholarships is weak. This is the same fucking punishment if some recruit gets a ride to his birthday party from a coach, and then a free birthday cake. Garbage.

[KnoxHarrington]

Sanctions on Penn State:

1. $60 million fine

2. 4 year ban on bowl appearances

3. 4 year reduction of scholarships from 25 to 15

4. A 5 year "probation period" during which Penn State will receive special scrutiny.

5. All wins from the period of 1998-2011 are vacated. This means that Paterno is no longer the winningest coach in football history.

Penn State is also required to join various organizations and agreements meant to create a "cultural change" at the program.

NCAA dude also explicitly said they considered the "death penalty" but they think that it just wouldn't work, and that their new administration is serious about cleaning things up.

[ozzie]

Does this mean that "thuh Bahr" reclaims the record for most D-1A wins?

Edit... Forgot about Bobby

[ozzie]

Fuck, I'm ready for the season to start already!

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38 Days, 10 Hours, 34 Minutes from opening kickoff.

Sucks that our "Home" opener isn't until week 3, and already scheduled for an 11:21 a.m. kickoff... but whatever.

[ozzie]

Fall practice starts today. Still no sign of Zeke Pike returning. Not sure if he'll ever play a snap at AU.

And just saw where USC raided Penn State's running back, and LSU snagged their QB.

One of the girls who works for me has a son who is a senior this year, and was being recruited by Penn State. It's still his best offer as far as a school and a degree, but a mass exodus by Penn State upperclassmen may mean he'll play elsewhere.

31 days, 10 hours until opening kickoff.

[Snoogans]

Fall practice starts today. Still no sign of Zeke Pike returning. Not sure if he'll ever play a snap at AU.

And just saw where USC raided Penn State's running back, and LSU snagged their QB.

One of the girls who works for me has a son who is a senior this year, and was being recruited by Penn State. It's still his best offer as far as a school and a degree, but a mass exodus by Penn State upperclassmen may mean he'll play elsewhere.

31 days, 10 hours until opening kickoff.

rutgers better not fuck this shit this year. Open vs tulane and then a 1AA before USF and Arkansas. Once they are clear of Arkansas every game is winnable.

[ozzie]

rutgers better not fuck this shit this year. Open vs tulane and then a 1AA before USF and Arkansas. Once they are clear of Arkansas every game is winnable.

I will be rooting hard for y'all to knock off the pigs. Their fan base has gotten dilusional since last year.

You get them the week after they play bama, and right before they have to go to TA&M.

Except for having to go down there to play in September... conditions are right for an upset.

[Snoogans]

I will be rooting hard for y'all to knock off the pigs. Their fan base has gotten dilusional since last year.

You get them the week after they play bama, and right before they have to go to TA&M.

Except for having to go down there to play in September... conditions are right for an upset.

more than i normally would just cause its bama, i really hope arkansas beats them. I dont wanna have to have rutgers goin down to razorback stadium to play them the week after they just got pounded by bama. that never usually works well.

But i am excited cause, new coach, no one really knows whats gonna happen. So you are right, great conditions. Also, Rutgers used to always start with a big game or a conference game and they are usually pretty slow starters.

They SHOULD beat tulane pretty easy down in Nawlins, then they get Howard to tune up against before USF down in florida and then Ark in Ark in back to back weeks. But they will at least have some rhythm by then. If they can get through those 4 games they have a bye week 5 and then home vs Uconn and Cuse, at temple, home Kent St and then another bye and then Army in Yankee Stadium. it plays out well for them to be anywhere from 7-2 to 9-0 going into the final stretch at Cincy, at Pitt and home vs Louisville. It lays out perfect for them to FINALLY get it done

[ozzie]

more than i normally would just cause its bama, i really hope arkansas beats them. I dont wanna have to have rutgers goin down to razorback stadium to play them the week after they just got pounded by bama. that never usually works well.

But i am excited cause, new coach, no one really knows whats gonna happen. So you are right, great conditions. Also, Rutgers used to always start with a big game or a conference game and they are usually pretty slow starters.

They SHOULD beat tulane pretty easy down in Nawlins, then they get Howard to tune up against before USF down in florida and then Ark in Ark in back to back weeks. But they will at least have some rhythm by then. If they can get through those 4 games they have a bye week 5 and then home vs Uconn and Cuse, at temple, home Kent St and then another bye and then Army in Yankee Stadium. it plays out well for them to be anywhere from 7-2 to 9-0 going into the final stretch at Cincy, at Pitt and home vs Louisville. It lays out perfect for them to FINALLY get it done

If they beat bama, I'll be putting a large sum of money on Rutgers the following week, and taking all the points they want to give me.

Knowing (part of) their idiot fan base, they'll be rushing the field after the bama game like they just won the MNC, and partying for a week straight. No way they're ready for Rutgers after that.

But win or lose, I see this as a trap game. Texas A&M had them whooped last year, and if they had any sense, they hold on and beat Arky by two scores. (How the hell do you RUN for 5 first half TDs... then only manage 3 fucking points in the second half?)

No matter what their dilusional fans say, the returning starters from last season will remember that first half beat down, and might be looking ahead to TA&M again this year.

The new Arky coach is the big unknown with them, but based on the limited info I know about the guy, I just don't think the players will have enough confidence in him to shake off a bama beat down very quickly. If they lose that one, it'll be a sinking reality check to the whole program.

[CountryBob]

Im so happy college fball is back soon! The end of this month by god!

[ozzie]

Fall practice starts today. Still no sign of Zeke Pike returning. Not sure if he'll ever play a snap at AU.

Hate quoting myself, but just a follow up for anyone who cares... Zeke Pike was officially dismissed from the team yesterday.

Damn shame. He was one of the "elite 11" QB's that espn / trent dilfer chose in 2011. He had the physical skills to be a great one, and probably still could somewhere else if he decides to commit himself.

Still not sure all the reasons why. There was the "public intox" thing in June, but other than that, all they're saying is "violation of team rules". It seems that the kid has some "maturing" to do. He had already been "disciplined" twice during his senior year of HS.

And still some ppl wondering if he was the "victim" of the teacher scandal at his old HS in Kentucky.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/30/article-2122513-1264C8AE000005DC-307_306x423.jpg

Whatever the reason... his future won't be at Auburn, but I wish the kid luck in his future endeavors.

[ozzie]

The first coaches poll is out... for what it's worth. Not sure how much time these coaches have had to evaluate every other D-1a school... but, whatever. Just two more years of these polls meaning anything.

AU snuck in at #25, which doesn't put too much of a target on their back. Just like last year, they'll continue to be the underdog in most games.

I just looked over the schedule, and based on this poll (and ranking the "others receiving votes"), AU plays:

#1 LSU
at #2 bama
#6 Georgia
#10 Arkansas
#14 Clemson (neutral site, ATL)
#30 Texas A&M
at #33 Mississippi State

Good thing is, 4 of those 7 are at home this year.

Bad thing is... those are 7 killer games.

Most pundits are predicting 5 or 6 losses. Mostly because of the schedule, but also that we're breaking in a new QB (who ran a little wildcat last year), and have new coordinators on both sides of the ball.

Offensively, we go from Gus Malzahn's "trickeration" and read option, to the old Temple OC Scot Loeffler, whose style seems to have adapted to the talent he's had to work with wherever he's been. But, he's got a good track record with putting in a solid running game, and AU has a stable of quality backs. He's also worked with Tebow, and developed other top college QB's.

Defensively, ding dong, Ted Roof is gone. Have fun at Penn State. Huge upgrade in the DC position, bringing in former Falcons DC Brian Van Gorder (who also coached UGA to some awesome D in the early 2000's). The D already looked remarkably improved at the front 7 in the spring game after only a few weeks with him.

If Van Gorder can help keep the scores down, and keep AU in big games into the 4th Qtr, the special teams that AU has back could swing some of last year's L's into W's.

Personally... I think 8 - 4 with 9 - 3 being a possibility if things gel early. If they can survive both Clemson and MSU early... who knows. The next 4 big'uns are at home, where upsets have been known to happen.


Rutgers got 5 votes, which would put them around #40.

[Snoogans]

The first coaches poll is out... for what it's worth. Not sure how much time these coaches have had to evaluate every other D-1a school... but, whatever. Just two more years of these polls meaning anything.

AU snuck in at #25, which doesn't put too much of a target on their back. Just like last year, they'll continue to be the underdog in most games.

I just looked over the schedule, and based on this poll (and ranking the "others receiving votes"), AU plays:

#1 LSU
at #2 bama
#6 Georgia
#10 Arkansas
#14 Clemson (neutral site, ATL)
#30 Texas A&M
at #33 Mississippi State

Good thing is, 4 of those 7 are at home this year.

Bad thing is... those are 7 killer games.

Most pundits are predicting 5 or 6 losses. Mostly because of the schedule, but also that we're breaking in a new QB (who ran a little wildcat last year), and have new coordinators on both sides of the ball.

Offensively, we go from Gus Malzahn's "trickeration" and read option, to the old Temple OC Scot Loeffler, whose style seems to have adapted to the talent he's had to work with wherever he's been. But, he's got a good track record with putting in a solid running game, and AU has a stable of quality backs. He's also worked with Tebow, and developed other top college QB's.

Defensively, ding dong, Ted Roof is gone. Have fun at Penn State. Huge upgrade in the DC position, bringing in former Falcons DC Brian Van Gorder (who also coached UGA to some awesome D in the early 2000's). The D already looked remarkably improved at the front 7 in the spring game after only a few weeks with him.

If Van Gorder can help keep the scores down, and keep AU in big games into the 4th Qtr, the special teams that AU has back could swing some of last year's L's into W's.

Personally... I think 8 - 4 with 9 - 3 being a possibility if things gel early. If they can survive both Clemson and MSU early... who knows. The next 4 big'uns are at home, where upsets have been known to happen.


Rutgers got 5 votes, which would put them around #40.

sounds about right. I figured them to be right at the end of the top 25 and then once schiano left thats gonna knock them down some spots. Plus they dont even know who is starting QB yet. They better figure all that out soon

[Snoogans]

Tisk tisk, Honey Badger.

Tyran Mathieu (sp) was kicked off LSUs team today for breaking an undisclosed school rule. He is lookin to transfer.

Lets play guess the rule. Im gonna say he didnt break a school rule, thats just cover cause really he knocked up Les Miles daughter.

[ozzie]

Tisk tisk, Honey Badger.

Tyran Mathieu (sp) was kicked off LSUs team today for breaking an undisclosed school rule. He is lookin to transfer.

Lets play guess the rule. Im gonna say he didnt break a school rule, thats just cover cause really he knocked up Les Miles daughter.

I'm thinkin it was the same thing that got him in trouble last year.

Odd that Les would call a press conference to announce it though.

[JimBeam]

I don't see any way that they let him do this. Way too wierd of a precedent.

Tyrann Mathieu covets LSU return?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8264350/tyrann-mathieu-interest-staying-lsu-sources-say

[ozzie]

I don't see any way that they let him do this. Way too wierd of a precedent.

The school handed down the punishment, so I guess it would be up to the school as well if they wanted to review, and change the punishment from a dismissal to a one year suspension.

[JimBeam]

My concerns would be woth his actual ability to pay for a year of education w/o some " help " as well as other schools using this type of " pay for yourself for a year " as a way to cicumvent punishments.

I don't see LSU doing it as they made this very public snd going back on that would make them look silly in a world where what schools/coaches do is now very much closely scrutinized.

In all honesty the kid was overrated. Sure he had a few TDs on fumble/punt returns but he did nothing in either of the big games against Alabama. And it wasn't like they didn't throw at him. He was targeted a few times in the title game.

[ozzie]

My concerns would be woth his actual ability to pay for a year of education w/o some " help " as well as other schools using this type of " pay for yourself for a year " as a way to cicumvent punishments.

I don't see LSU doing it as they made this very public snd going back on that would make them look silly in a world where what schools/coaches do is now very much closely scrutinized.

In all honesty the kid was overrated. Sure he had a few TDs on fumble/punt returns but he did nothing in either of the big games against Alabama. And it wasn't like they didn't throw at him. He was targeted a few times in the title game.

I'd hate to think that his ability, or position on the depth chart would have anything to do with the severity of the punishment handed down. But, the LSU fan that works for me has already pointed out that LSU is very deep at that position, and while the guy was an excellent returner, this really will have no impact on their D or title run this year.

I have to admit, when I read that he was offering to pay his own way... I immediately raised a bit of an eyebrow. But I also kinda admired his dedication to the school.

I understand not going back on their decision, which is why I tend to agree that it won't happen for him. But, it also makes me think that he was never offered the option of a suspension, or any lesser punishment other than immediate dismissal.

I don't pretend to know anything other than what's been reported, so I can't really judge the school on how they handled it or their decision. I just know that I've seen young men dismissed from Auburn and other schools for similar "violation of team rules", and again, without knowing all the facts behind the story, it usually comes across as being a harsh penalty.

Like, I don't know exactly what Zeke Pike did in his short stint at AU, but based on his age, and the fact that this was his first transitional year from HS (and elite 11 QB camp, etc) to SEC college life, it's hard to think that a couple of mistakes couldn't be chalked up to a lack of maturity. AU prides itself on being a "family", but yet, like most major programs, seems to immediately cut any ties to any young player who makes a mistake that might embarrass or hurt "the program".

A "committment" should work both ways. Yet it seems that there are different sets of rules for the athletes than there are for the school and/or coaches.

[Snoogans]

I'd hate to think that his ability, or position on the depth chart would have anything to do with the severity of the punishment handed down. But, the LSU fan that works for me has already pointed out that LSU is very deep at that position, and while the guy was an excellent returner, this really will have no impact on their D or title run this year.

I have to admit, when I read that he was offering to pay his own way... I immediately raised a bit of an eyebrow. But I also kinda admired his dedication to the school.

I understand not going back on their decision, which is why I tend to agree that it won't happen for him. But, it also makes me think that he was never offered the option of a suspension, or any lesser punishment other than immediate dismissal.

I don't pretend to know anything other than what's been reported, so I can't really judge the school on how they handled it or their decision. I just know that I've seen young men dismissed from Auburn and other schools for similar "violation of team rules", and again, without knowing all the facts behind the story, it usually comes across as being a harsh penalty.

Like, I don't know exactly what Zeke Pike did in his short stint at AU, but based on his age, and the fact that this was his first transitional year from HS (and elite 11 QB camp, etc) to SEC college life, it's hard to think that a couple of mistakes couldn't be chalked up to a lack of maturity. AU prides itself on being a "family", but yet, like most major programs, seems to immediately cut any ties to any young player who makes a mistake that might embarrass or hurt "the program".

A "committment" should work both ways. Yet it seems that there are different sets of rules for the athletes than there are for the school and/or coaches.

clearly i dont know, but i get the feeling that we didnt hear about all his violations of school rules. I get the feeling they really didnt like him.

Ever since he got famous he has brought them hassle. He had that twitter blow up with the chick callin him out for fuckin around on his GF with half the school that embarrassed the program. He tested positive for weed or synthetic weed a bunch of times. He just seems like he is kind of a jerkoff. I think they were just lookin for a reason to let him go.

When have you ever seen someone be a heisman finalist and then get ZERO push from his school

[ozzie]

clearly i dont know, but i get the feeling that we didnt hear about all his violations of school rules. I get the feeling they really didnt like him.

Ever since he got famous he has brought them hassle. He had that twitter blow up with the chick callin him out for fuckin around on his GF with half the school that embarrassed the program. He tested positive for weed or synthetic weed a bunch of times. He just seems like he is kind of a jerkoff. I think they were just lookin for a reason to let him go.

When have you ever seen someone be a heisman finalist and then get ZERO push from his school

Yeah, I get that. It's just hard to judge without all the facts, and most major programs just aren't very forthcoming with details.

I wasn't necessarily defending "the honey badger"... just how easily some athletes are dismissed from schools in general, when it's in the interest of the team or the university.

Nick Saban, for one, has had a steady stream of under-acheiving (on the football field) upper classmen leave his program over the years, and then goes right back into kids living rooms, looks their parents in the eye and preaches about "committment".

They promise everything from "We'll take care of your son/daughter..."... "We'll look after him/her, and ensure that they get the best education..."

Sure, until he's still occupying valuable roster space as a third string guard his Junior year, and you need another scholarship to offer the next 5-star HS stud.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, I get that. It's just hard to judge without all the facts, and most major programs just aren't very forthcoming with details.

I wasn't necessarily defending "the honey badger"... just how easily some athletes are dismissed from schools in general, when it's in the interest of the team or the university.

Nick Saban, for one, has had a steady stream of under-acheiving (on the football field) upper classmen leave his program over the years, and then goes right back into kids living rooms, looks their parents in the eye and preaches about "committment".

They promise everything from "We'll take care of your son/daughter..."... "We'll look after him/her, and ensure that they get the best education..."

Sure, until he's still occupying valuable roster space as a third string guard his Junior year, and you need another scholarship to offer the next 5-star HS stud.

i wish Rutgers would do that. Can someone explain to me how the fuck Mason Robinson is still on the team? Its seriously like his 12th season

[JimBeam]

If everything we're hearing is correct and he's failed his 3rd drug test then they don't owe him a thing.

I mean I think Miles was kind of a puss by only giving him a 1 game suspension last year but as I remember the timing the 1 game was prior to the Alabama game and I doubt they were gonna sit him for that.

And while I agree there should be some due process in getting rid of a kid let's not pretend that an athlete isn't already getting the benefit of the doubt that a regular student wouldn't get.

I never liked him because of his chirpy nonsense so maybe I'm being overly negative towards him but if LSU extends anything more to him then they've got to realize that every player is going to expect that as well. That's not a place they wanna be.

[JimBeam]

Ozzie, what's new on this fake transcript business for that one kid ?

How the hell in this day and age can a fake transcript, made by a counselor, be used to validate a player ?

You'd think it would need to come directly from school administration.

[ozzie]

Ozzie, what's new on this fake transcript business for that one kid ?

How the hell in this day and age can a fake transcript, made by a counselor, be used to validate a player ?

You'd think it would need to come directly from school administration.

Been kinda quiet since it was first reported.

All I know is that a guidance counselor at his old HS resigned after admitting to changing a grade. At first they weren't saying who the student was, but I think they've since officially announced that it's the freshman running back Jovon Robinson that just enrolled at AU.

What's uncertain is the reasoning and timing behind the grade change. We don't know what year this happened, or why.

Was a grade changed his sophomore year to keep him eligible to play HS ball? Junior year? Senior?

Does the change affect whether or not he would have passed the NCAA clearinghouse?

Did the kid know about it? Or is a coach / faculty member to blame?

Either way, Auburn is not taking any chances. If there's the slightest chance he could be ruled ineligible, he will not practice, and if it's not cleared up before the season starts, he won't play.

I know it's my alma mater, and I'm sometimes biased, but I don't think that AU had any knowledge of any wrongdoing. They don't seem too concerned, other than making sure he doesn't participate until he's cleared. He was even out meeting people and signing autographs during Fan Day. Doubt they would have allowed public access to the kid if there was any fear of repurcussions.

Hate to say it, but this kind of thing happens too often. A HS here in Mobile fucked with Nick Fairley's transcript. They got busted, and he ended up having to go to a JUCO for two years.

And, I'm copying from another site, but there was a similar case at Syracuse that may foreshadow the outcome of Jovon's case:

A recent case involving Syracuse defensive tackle Ryan Sloan may be more applicable to Robinson's situation. Sloan's high school coach was forced to resign earlier this year after a state investigation tied him to three unapproved changes to Sloan's academic record.

The coach continues to deny any wrongdoing and Sloan, who insists he knew nothing about the changes, is expected to play early and often this season for the Orange. The revelations broke last December as Sloan was completing his redshirt season at Syracuse.

Had Sloan been working with the varsity at the time, the school likely would have removed him from competition while the investigation churned.

[JimBeam]

What do you think about the whol Lane Kiffin vote thing ?

I know he's kind of a douche but I think he did the right thing. Why give other coaches/players more motivation by telling the truth that you voted your team #1 ?

I think it was bullshit for USA Today to try and become the moral majority on that one.

The way I see it they now have to make all votes visible.

If nothing else I wish USC would deny USA Today access to their program now.

See how they like that.

[ozzie]

i wish Rutgers would do that. Can someone explain to me how the fuck Mason Robinson is still on the team? Its seriously like his 12th season

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but dammit, when you offer a kid a "scholarship" in exchange for his/her agreement to participate on an athletic team, you're entering into a contract with the player and his family.

Obviously if you get busted for using illegal substances (repeatedly, in Mathieu's case), or if you don't make the grades, etc., then you've not held up your end of the bargain, and the school has every right to dismiss the kid from the team, and yank his scholarship.

I know college football is a Huge business now, but dammit, these kids are not paid professionals. The VAST majority of the D1-A rosters are still just kids with slim chances of ever earning a dime playing professional football. For most, the only things they'll take away from this experience are injuries sustained and hopefully an education that will help them find a career.

If you "miss" on prospect, and he/she doesn't turn out to be the player you thought they would be... then tough shit. It's not the kid's fault.

It just bothers me to see Saban running a college football program like a damn NFL team.

Over the last 5 years, bama signed:

2012 - 26
2011 - 23
2010 - 26
2009 - 28
2008 - 32

And yet, somehow they only have 85 football players currently on scholarship?

I wasn't kidding when I said that recruits that don't live up to expectations are routinely removed from their athletic scholarships at bama to make room to sign another full class of HS kids... and another, and another.

One trick bama has used more than anyone else is the "medical hardship".

Basically, you take an under-performing upper classmen, get a team doctor to diagnose him with an ailment (sprained ankle?), and award him a "medical hardship". The good thing for the kid is, he keeps his scholarship, and can finish school at UA, but somehow this now doesn't count against the 85 limit??? Not clear exactly who pays for their continued education and/or medical bills if it's NOT the athletic program (football)... but we all know that's where it comes from.

I guess the kid has to agree to go this route, and agree to giving up football forever, but at least gets to finish school... but how the hell can this not count against the limited number of football scholarships each school is allowed???

Some have blatantly been "encouraged" to continue their career and education elsewhere. It's hard to imagine that anyone would just voluntarily decide on their own that they want to transfer from bama to a fucking community college or 1AA school, unless they didn't have any other option.

For some others, the reason given is simply... "scholarship not renewed" ??

Here's the list of who left Saban's program in 2011, and why:

Glenn Harbin - Decided to play baseball
Demetrius Goode - Transfer to North Alabama
Petey Smith - Transfer to Holems CC
Brandon Moore - Transfer to East Mississippi Community College
Corey Grant - Transfer to Auburn
Keiwone Malone - Transfer to Memphis
Robby Green - Transfer to California University of Pennsylvania
Darrington Sentimore - Transfer to Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College
Kerry Murphy - Medical Hardship
Kendall Kelly - Medical Hardship
Wes Neighbors - Medical Hardship

2010:

Terry Grant - Scholarship not renewed
Travis Sikes - Scholarship not renewed
Rod Woodson - Scholarship not renewed
Star Jackson - Transfer, Georgia State Div 1AA.
Deion Belue - Academically Ineligible; headed to JUCO
Alfy Hill - Academically Ineligible
Taylor Pharr - Medical Hardship
Milton Talbert - Medical Hardship
Darius McKeller - Medical Hardship
Ronnie Carswell - Greyshirt
Wilson Love - Greyshirt

And so on.

And the amazing thing is that, so far, top HS recruits continue to believe that bama / saban is truly offering them a 4 - 5 year scholarship.

But at the rate he's going, he will have screwed over a kid at almost every top HS in the southeast, and this will catch up to him / them at some point.

I know the bama fans just think the guy can do no wrong, and espn and the media absolutely fawn over him... but I've got a feeling that when he leaves, he's going to leave a mess behind him.

All they see right now are the two crystal trophies, and favored again for another title run. They don't seem to really give a shit how many kids lives are affected as a result, and what damage this could be doing long-term to that program.

[Snoogans]

Robby Green - Transfer to California University of Pennsylvania

that just sounds so retarded

[ozzie]

What do you think about the whol Lane Kiffin vote thing ?

I know he's kind of a douche but I think he did the right thing. Why give other coaches/players more motivation by telling the truth that you voted your team #1 ?

I think it was bullshit for USA Today to try and become the moral majority on that one.

The way I see it they now have to make all votes visible.

If nothing else I wish USC would deny USA Today access to their program now.

See how they like that.

I saw that.

Giving coaches a say in who plays in the championship game is bullshit to begin with. And I've always contended that IF you're going to use their "wisdom" to determine who the best 2 teams are, then hell yes it should be public, and they should be accountable for the way they vote.

BUT... seeing how this wasn't the deal, then fuck USA Today for revealing just his vote.

And hell yes, I'd yank every press pass from every USA Today reporter.

Thank GOD there are only two more years of this "poll" shit.

[ozzie]

that just sounds so retarded

The mighty VULCANS!

http://insidepittsburghsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/cal-vulcans.gif

[A.J.]

Robby Green - Transfer to California University of Pennsylvania

that just sounds so retarded

Tell that to the Indiana University of Pennsylvania and Miami of Ohio.

[ozzie]

Tell that to the Indiana University of Pennsylvania and Miami of Ohio.

...or Pittsburgh State University... in KANSAS

http://www.collegeflagsandbanners.com/images_products/pittsburg_state_gorillas_house_flag_66701big.jpg

[JimBeam]

Tell that to the Indiana University of Pennsylvania and Miami of Ohio.

Isnt there some kind of wierd Indiana University/Purdue University at Illinois or some such nonsense too ?

[JimBeam]

I saw that.

Giving coaches a say in who plays in the championship game is bullshit to begin with. And I've always contended that IF you're going to use their "wisdom" to determine who the best 2 teams are, then hell yes it should be public, and they should be accountable for the way they vote.

BUT... seeing how this wasn't the deal, then fuck USA Today for revealing just his vote.

And hell yes, I'd yank every press pass from every USA Today reporter.

Thank GOD there are only two more years of this "poll" shit.

Kiffin actually mentioned that a good coach doesn't have time to watch other teams as they should be worrying about their own team.

[JimBeam]

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but dammit, when you offer a kid a "scholarship" in exchange for his/her agreement to participate on an athletic team, you're entering into a contract with the player and his family.

Obviously if you get busted for using illegal substances (repeatedly, in Mathieu's case), or if you don't make the grades, etc., then you've not held up your end of the bargain, and the school has every right to dismiss the kid from the team, and yank his scholarship.

I know college football is a Huge business now, but dammit, these kids are not paid professionals. The VAST majority of the D1-A rosters are still just kids with slim chances of ever earning a dime playing professional football. For most, the only things they'll take away from this experience are injuries sustained and hopefully an education that will help them find a career.

If you "miss" on prospect, and he/she doesn't turn out to be the player you thought they would be... then tough shit. It's not the kid's fault.

It just bothers me to see Saban running a college football program like a damn NFL team.

Over the last 5 years, bama signed:

2012 - 26
2011 - 23
2010 - 26
2009 - 28
2008 - 32

And yet, somehow they only have 85 football players currently on scholarship?

I wasn't kidding when I said that recruits that don't live up to expectations are routinely removed from their athletic scholarships at bama to make room to sign another full class of HS kids... and another, and another.

One trick bama has used more than anyone else is the "medical hardship".

Basically, you take an under-performing upper classmen, get a team doctor to diagnose him with an ailment (sprained ankle?), and award him a "medical hardship". The good thing for the kid is, he keeps his scholarship, and can finish school at UA, but somehow this now doesn't count against the 85 limit??? Not clear exactly who pays for their continued education and/or medical bills if it's NOT the athletic program (football)... but we all know that's where it comes from.

I guess the kid has to agree to go this route, and agree to giving up football forever, but at least gets to finish school... but how the hell can this not count against the limited number of football scholarships each school is allowed???

Some have blatantly been "encouraged" to continue their career and education elsewhere. It's hard to imagine that anyone would just voluntarily decide on their own that they want to transfer from bama to a fucking community college or 1AA school, unless they didn't have any other option.

For some others, the reason given is simply... "scholarship not renewed" ??

Here's the list of who left Saban's program in 2011, and why:

Glenn Harbin - Decided to play baseball
Demetrius Goode - Transfer to North Alabama
Petey Smith - Transfer to Holems CC
Brandon Moore - Transfer to East Mississippi Community College
Corey Grant - Transfer to Auburn
Keiwone Malone - Transfer to Memphis
Robby Green - Transfer to California University of Pennsylvania
Darrington Sentimore - Transfer to Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College
Kerry Murphy - Medical Hardship
Kendall Kelly - Medical Hardship
Wes Neighbors - Medical Hardship

2010:

Terry Grant - Scholarship not renewed
Travis Sikes - Scholarship not renewed
Rod Woodson - Scholarship not renewed
Star Jackson - Transfer, Georgia State Div 1AA.
Deion Belue - Academically Ineligible; headed to JUCO
Alfy Hill - Academically Ineligible
Taylor Pharr - Medical Hardship
Milton Talbert - Medical Hardship
Darius McKeller - Medical Hardship
Ronnie Carswell - Greyshirt
Wilson Love - Greyshirt

And so on.

And the amazing thing is that, so far, top HS recruits continue to believe that bama / saban is truly offering them a 4 - 5 year scholarship.

But at the rate he's going, he will have screwed over a kid at almost every top HS in the southeast, and this will catch up to him / them at some point.

I know the bama fans just think the guy can do no wrong, and espn and the media absolutely fawn over him... but I've got a feeling that when he leaves, he's going to leave a mess behind him.

All they see right now are the two crystal trophies, and favored again for another title run. They don't seem to really give a shit how many kids lives are affected as a result, and what damage this could be doing long-term to that program.

While that does seem like a lot you have to think that many of those are kids who left on their own because they were rither home sick, concerned with playing time, etc ...

I'm not saying what you elude to doesn't happen, at Alabama or any large school, but I do think the retention at the atletic level would be similar to that of the regular student body.

We all know kids who came to college away from home and couldn't cut it so they went home.

[Snoogans]

Isnt there some kind of wierd Indiana University/Purdue University at Illinois or some such nonsense too ?

i know they put one of the Rutgers campuses in a third world country, so top that.

Rutgers University at Camden they call it

[A.J.]

i know they put one of the Rutgers campuses in a third world country, so top that.

Rutgers University at Camden they call it

Similarly:

Virginia Commonwealth University in Qatar School of the Arts (VCUQ).

Weill Cornell Medical College in Qatar (WCMC-Q).

Texas A&M University at Qatar (TAMUQ).

Carnegie Mellon University in Qatar (CMU-Q).

Georgetown University School of Foreign Service in Qatar (SFS-Qatar).

Northwestern University in Qatar (NU-Q)

[JimBeam]

Similarly:

Virginia Commonwealth University in Qatar School of the Arts (VCUQ).

Weill Cornell Medical College in Qatar (WCMC-Q).

Texas A&M University at Qatar (TAMUQ).

Carnegie Mellon University in Qatar (CMU-Q).

Georgetown University School of Foreign Service in Qatar (SFS-Qatar).

Northwestern University in Qatar (NU-Q)

And based on all the craziness in recent conference realignments all of these will be playing in the Colonial Athletic League in football but in the Big West in everything else.

[A.J.]

And based on all the craziness in recent conference realignments all of these will be playing in the Colonial Athletic League in football but in the Big West in everything else.

That should be funny but nothing surprises me anymore.

I will never forgive college football for helping to destroy the mighty Big East as we knew and loved it.

[JimBeam]

Their new commissioner is supposed to be big time.

Helped CBS get the SEC football deal.

[Snoogans]

Similarly:

Virginia Commonwealth University in Qatar School of the Arts (VCUQ).

Weill Cornell Medical College in Qatar (WCMC-Q).

Texas A&M University at Qatar (TAMUQ).

Carnegie Mellon University in Qatar (CMU-Q).

Georgetown University School of Foreign Service in Qatar (SFS-Qatar).

Northwestern University in Qatar (NU-Q)

i dont know if you posted this just to post it but Camden is actually in NJ. Its just a really shitty place i was making fun of

[Snoogans]

That should be funny but nothing surprises me anymore.

I will never forgive college football for helping to destroy the mighty Big East as we knew and loved it.

wait a second. a couple things here

One, people loved the big east? that actually happened?

two, college football didnt really ruin the big east. Miami, Va Tech, and BC not wanting to stay is what did.

Dumbest move Miami EVER made, btw

[A.J.]

One, people loved the big east? that actually happened?

Basketball?

[A.J.]

i dont know if you posted this just to post it but Camden is actually in NJ. Its just a really shitty place i was making fun of

No I know, but your post reminded me of Qatar's Education City.

Your reference to Camden reminded me of an old joke from Connecticut about New Haven and East Haven: "How do you drive from Africa to Italy? Take the Q Bridge"

[Snoogans]

Basketball?

well basketball isnt getting ruined until now. What actually started the overall ruining of the big east actually made basketball better for the conference. The problem is basketball doesnt make nearly as much as football.

When Miami, BC and Va Tech left, it made football alot worse. but the resulting teams that were added to try to save football actually were WAY better basketball schools than the 3 that left. ever since then , the big east was NASTY.

Big East basketball wont be ruined til the next year or 2 when Cuse and Pitt leave. UConn also wants to leave, but no one else wants to take them.

also, most people dont love college basketball. Most people love the NCAA tourney and, to a lesser extent, the conference tournaments. But in the middle of december and january, no one really gives a fuck about college basketball.

[Snoogans]

No I know, but your post reminded me of Qatar's Education City.

Your reference to Camden reminded me of an old joke from Connecticut about New Haven and East Haven: "How do you drive from Africa to Italy? Take the Q Bridge"

awesome. Or you could just go to Sicily and get both in one spot (thats gonna sit well)

The funniest thing about the 3 Rutgers Campuses are how they placed them. Im starting to think they did it on purpose. If you go to the Camden campus, you will run away. Its so bad that when you finally see Rutgers Newark, being in the downtown area, it actually doesnt look that bad. But really, its fuckin shitty.

Then by the time you get around to New Brunswick/Piscataway, after the first 2, it looks like a downright nice city to live in. And its fuckin not. All 3 campuses are in just awful cities.

It makes me marvel at the work Rutgers football program has done. Going down to fuckin Florida and actually convincing kids to come spend 4 years of their life in fuckin NEW BRUNSWICK

[A.J.]

well basketball isnt getting ruined until now. What actually started the overall ruining of the big east actually made basketball better for the conference. The problem is basketball doesnt make nearly as much as football.

When Miami, BC and Va Tech left, it made football alot worse. but the resulting teams that were added to try to save football actually were WAY better basketball schools than the 3 that left. ever since then , the big east was NASTY.

Big East basketball wont be ruined til the next year or 2 when Cuse and Pitt leave. UConn also wants to leave, but no one else wants to take them.

also, most people dont love college basketball. Most people love the NCAA tourney and, to a lesser extent, the conference tournaments. But in the middle of december and january, no one really gives a fuck about college basketball.

I get all that -- which makes me still hate football. I remember the glory days of the 80s and 90s Big East hoops; those great rivalries. But everybody wants to be a football powerhouse today because of the fucking money.

Ironically, it was UCONN's BASKETBALL money that built their football program.

[A.J.]

awesome. Or you could just go to Sicily and get both in one spot (thats gonna sit well)

The funniest thing about the 3 Rutgers Campuses are how they placed them. Im starting to think they did it on purpose. If you go to the Camden campus, you will run away. Its so bad that when you finally see Rutgers Newark, being in the downtown area, it actually doesnt look that bad. But really, its fuckin shitty.

Then by the time you get around to New Brunswick/Piscataway, after the first 2, it looks like a downright nice city to live in. And its fuckin not. All 3 campuses are in just awful cities.

It makes me marvel at the work Rutgers football program has done. Going down to fuckin Florida and actually convincing kids to come spend 4 years of their life in fuckin NEW BRUNSWICK

My best friend's brother played for Rutgers back in the 1980s and was a scab for the Redskins during the 1987 strike season. At their house, there was a picture of him sacking Danny White.

[Snoogans]

I get all that -- which makes me still hate football. I remember the glory days of the 80s and 90s Big East hoops; those great rivalries. But everybody wants to be a football powerhouse today because of the fucking money.

Ironically, it was UCONN's BASKETBALL money that built their football program.

yea and now their BASKETBALL program cant even go to any postseason stuff because no one graduates

[Snoogans]

My best friend's brother played for Rutgers back in the 1980s and was a scab for the Redskins during the 1987 strike season. At their house, there was a picture of him sacking Danny White.

if you are gonna be a scab, wouldnt you choose a real team to get to play for for a few games?

[A.J.]

if you are gonna be a scab, wouldnt you choose a real team to get to play for for a few games?

Tell me about it. But that was back when they were good.

He tried out for the Jets too but didn't make it.

[Snoogans]

Tell me about it. But that was back when they were good.

He tried out for the Jets too but didn't make it.

you should call him and tell him try again. I bet he could probably make the Jets this time

[ozzie]

While that does seem like a lot you have to think that many of those are kids who left on their own because they were rither home sick, concerned with playing time, etc ...

I'm not saying what you elude to doesn't happen, at Alabama or any large school, but I do think the retention at the atletic level would be similar to that of the regular student body.

We all know kids who came to college away from home and couldn't cut it so they went home.

I'm sure that every case is unique. But some of the players interviewed after they were "forced" out of the program have not been very happy, and obviously didn't make the choice on their own.

Check out this Wall Street Journal Article from 2010 RE: bama players being forced to take "medical hardships" (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703384204575509901468451306.html)

Three Alabama players who've taken these exemptions say they believe the team uses the practice as a way to clear spots for better players by cutting players it no longer wants. These players said they believe Mr. Saban and his staff pressure some players to take these scholarships even though their injuries aren't serious enough to warrant keeping them off the field.

"I'm still kind of bitter," said former Alabama linebacker Chuck Kirschman, who took a medical scholarship last year. Mr. Kirschman said Mr. Saban encouraged him to accept the scholarship because of a back problem that he believes he could have played through. "It's a business," Mr. Kirschman said. "College football is all about politics. And this is a loophole in the system."

Every school in the SEC has used the "medical hardship" provision at some point, but no one uses/abuses this loophole more than mr. saban.

Yet, top recruits keep coming every year.

One of the girls that works for me has a kid, pretty highly recruited senior RB/LB, who camped at bama, and was buddies with T.J. Yeldon (5-star RB) who flipped from AU to bama last year.

This in no way makes me an expert on their practices, but from what I know, having your scholarship ever taken away if you don't end up being the stud they think you are now, is obviously never mentioned to recruits. They're all under the assumption that once they sign that letter of intent to play ball at bama, that this will be the school they graduate from.

I get what you're saying about playing time, and obviously if you're told that you'll never step on the field at bama, and you want to continue to play football and think they have a shot at the NFL... then your only "choice" is to transfer. But with the bullshit transfer rules, they don't have the choice of just switching to another D-1A school unless they want to sit out a year. In that case, their ONLY choice of playing somewhere the next year is at a D-1AA or lower level school.

That still is not much of a "choice" to a kid that was sold on the idea that he'd be playing for "the tide", and graduating from UA.

He just seems to be operating under the scholarship "cap" the way an NFL GM works a salary cap. He wants to bring in a certain number of top recruits, so he has to make room, any way he can. "I've got this many seniors graduating... this many juniors going pro... I've got 25+ HS kids I want... hmm... need more room." On avg, that number has been around 11 kids per year that get "cut", one way or the other.

Look back at the list of names. I doubt if anyone had ever heard of these kids before because these aren't starters that are getting screwed. But most all of them were highly recruited 3, 4 and 5-star HS players that somehow didn't live up to saban's expectations.

It seems that if you're not solid on the two-deep depth chart almost immediately over there, you're at risk of having your scholarship taken away. At that point your choices are 1) pay your own way (greyshirt / walk-on), 2) transfer to a lower level school and keep playing ball, 3) give up football but take a "medical redshirt" and finish school at bama (which should STILL fucking count against their 85 limit!), or 4) simply having your "scholarship not renewed".

[ozzie]

Isnt there some kind of wierd Indiana University/Purdue University at Illinois or some such nonsense too ?

IUPUI : Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis

[ozzie]

if you are gonna be a scab, wouldnt you choose a real team to get to play for for a few games?

The '87 skins was the team "The Replacements" movie was based (loosely) on.

From what I remember, the redskins were the only team that didn't have any player cross the picket line, and actually fielded a pretty decent team. In fact, contrary to the movie, I think they went 3 - 0, and since those games counted, were a part of getting the skins into the playoffs that year, and on to winning the superbowl.

But, just like in the movie, most of the Cowboys starters had crossed before that last week of the strike, so when the "scab skins" beat them their last game, AT DALLAS, mind you, the franchise went nuts!

The scab players were revered for that, and received a pretty decent severance package from the team after the strike ended. And I don't think they got superbowl rings or anything, but I think they got some kinda extra bonus for helping them get there.

[underdog]

Tyrann Mathieu Is In Drug Rehab, Being Mentored By Former NBA Coach John Lucas (http://deadspin.com/5935579/tyrann-mathieu-is-in-drug-rehab-being-mentored-by-former-nba-coach-john-lucas)

[ozzie]

Tyrann Mathieu Is In Drug Rehab, Being Mentored By Former NBA Coach John Lucas (http://deadspin.com/5935579/tyrann-mathieu-is-in-drug-rehab-being-mentored-by-former-nba-coach-john-lucas)

Good for him... but it's never a good thing for your football career to sit out a whole year at this age.

The kid seems to be on a Maurice Clarett type path.

[Snoogans]

Good for him... but it's never a good thing for your football career to sit out a whole year at this age.

The kid seems to be on a Maurice Clarett type path.

Claretts biggest mistake was sitting out the year before he tried to go pro. I think if this kid can get back and get a year or 2 of college in, he can get back to a high level. If he has to try to just jump into pros (assuming he is even that good at his best), i think he is fucked

[JimBeam]

Does sitting out a year, without being under scholarship. meet thr requirement for transfering ?

So would he still have the 2 years left if he went to a new college for Fall 2013 ?

[ozzie]

Claretts biggest mistake was sitting out the year before he tried to go pro. I think if this kid can get back and get a year or 2 of college in, he can get back to a high level. If he has to try to just jump into pros (assuming he is even that good at his best), i think he is fucked

Exactly.

Assuming he doesn't play anywhere this year, then am I right that he could return to any D-1A school... even another one in the SEC, without having to get any sort of "waiver" from the NCAA or LSU?

I agree that it's in his interest to come back and play at least one more year at a top D-1A school. People already have doubts about his size, and ablility to do anything more than returning kicks in the NFL. He's gonna have to show that he can cover effectively to make a roster.

[Snoogans]

Does sitting out a year, without being under scholarship. meet thr requirement for transfering ?

So would he still have the 2 years left if he went to a new college for Fall 2013 ?

if you arent enrolled in any school, it would not take away a year of eligibilty, so whenever he comes back he will pick up where he was. I do believe it will still count as sitting out a year though cause LSU dismissed him from the team. the sitting out a year and eligibility are different issues, they arent related to each other. The only time you drop a year of eligibility while sitting out a year is if you are enrolled in school. If you go to class, you have to use eligibility unless you redshirt

[Snoogans]

Exactly.

Assuming he doesn't play anywhere this year, then am I right that he could return to any D-1A school... even another one in the SEC, without having to get any sort of "waiver" from the NCAA or LSU?

I agree that it's in his interest to come back and play at least one more year at a top D-1A school. People already have doubts about his size, and ablility to do anything more than returning kicks in the NFL. He's gonna have to show that he can cover effectively to make a roster.

LSU released him from the program. they cant go back and block schools now. they only get that right in transfers. So yea, if he sits out a year of school, he can come back to a 1A school and not have to wait AND not lose a year of eligibility

[JimBeam]

I was always under the impression that your 5 years of eligibility started as soon as you begin school but I guess even if that is the case the clock wouldn't be ticking, so to speak, if he wasn't actually in school.

But since LSU dismissed him. with cause, it's wierd that there's no NCAA penalty for him.

I know they leave the drug related offenses to the schools ( which is bizarre ) but I would've though the NCAA would have some say in a 3rd strike kind of thing.

[Snoogans]

I was always under the impression that your 5 years of eligibility started as soon as you begin school but I guess even if that is the case the clock wouldn't be ticking, so to speak, if he wasn't actually in school.

But since LSU dismissed him. with cause, it's wierd that there's no NCAA penalty for him.

I know they leave the drug related offenses to the schools ( which is bizarre ) but I would've though the NCAA would have some say in a 3rd strike kind of thing.

As soon as you start school your 4 years of elig starts. Unless you specifically make your way to the school admin to red shirt before a certain date, you automatically tick the first year. Its not a problem with football cause the date is after the start of the year and guys would have already been red shirted. But if you play basketball say, you have to declare your red shirt before the end of september. They may have new exceptions now but when i was in school thats how it was cause i was looking into playing baseball.

If you leave school completely, your clock pauses til you come back. If you go to, say a juco though, then your clock keeps running. Im gonna go ahead and guess thats the reason Mathieu decided to stay out of school this year.

Now lets say you sat out of school and paused your clock and then wanna red shirt your first year back. you actually have to declare that redshirt before you enroll for that year or you will lose the year and have to redshirt the year after.


NCAA leaves rec drugs to the schools. PEDs are still punished by the NCAA

[JimBeam]

We've had no activity in here in 3 weeks ?

Not even after opening week ?

[Snoogans]

We've had no activity in here in 3 weeks ?

Not even after opening week ?

after the shit i saw from rutgers, i have no reason to be optimistic. you are playin fuckin tulane and you only attempt 20 passes. how bout we actually see if these guys can fuckin block somebody.

Juwan Jamison looked good, and the D looked really good. Nova threw alot of passes high, which is usually nerves, and being his first game as official starter i could understand that a bit. But you dont just fuckin STOP THROWING because of it. Let him work it out a bit.

They need to open shit up a bit against Howard next week or ill be really worried

[disneyspy]

michigan got embarrased by alabama,i doubt i'll have much to hope for this season

[JimBeam]

But that's probably the best team Mich will play all year.

Early signs indicate that the PAC12 is gonna be very weak.

Colorado and Cal both lost and Arizona went to OT against Toledo.

I bet USC will have to go undefeated, barring any really bad seasons by other leagues, to be guaranteed a shot at the BCS title.

[disneyspy]

But that's probably the best team Mich will play all year.

i'll wait to see how they do against a tough looking ND team before i get too excited

[JimBeam]

I liked a lot of what I saw from ND but I do temper it w/ the fact that it was Navy and they did have a corner get beat at least 1 time against a team w/ a less than stellar passing offense.

[underdog]

Oregon looked fucking awesome, but they were playing a shitty team. They could have scored 70 before halftime, if they had tried.

[razorboy]

The VA Tech offense looks like dog shit.

[CountryBob]

The VA Tech offense looks like dog shit.

Yep - the lack of blocking on the O line really shows - no running game. Thomas was off on almost every throw and the overall game play was really bad.

Im hoping they fix it quick or they are not gonna win many this year playing like that.

[JimBeam]

Not sure if you guys caught a new show on ESPNU called " Unite ".

It's hosted by Danny Kennell, some black comedian whom I've never heard of and some random ugly chick that goes by only her first name.

It's total dog poop and a reatread of almost every other show ( 1st Take and Sports Nation ) except they seem to try and be hip w/ a DJ on stage.

They did discuss one point this morning worth noting though and that was over Alabama jumping USC.

The contention was that the early polls are useless which i thing everybody can agree with.

But to say there's no basis for jumping USC ( w/ a less than complete game against an unranked Hawaii team ) with Alabama ( w. a win against a ranked Mich team ) is silly.

No Mich could shit themselves and end up as a bad team and Hawaii could go 11-1 but as it is right now the Alabama win was bigger so I have no problem w/ the shuffle.

[Snoogans]

Not sure if you guys caught a new show on ESPNU called " Unite ".

It's hosted by Danny Kennell, some black comedian whom I've never heard of and some random ugly chick that goes by only her first name.

It's total dog poop and a reatread of almost every other show ( 1st Take and Sports Nation ) except they seem to try and be hip w/ a DJ on stage.

They did discuss one point this morning worth noting though and that was over Alabama jumping USC.

The contention was that the early polls are useless which i thing everybody can agree with.

But to say there's no basis for jumping USC ( w/ a less than complete game against an unranked Hawaii team ) with Alabama ( w. a win against a ranked Mich team ) is silly.

No Mich could shit themselves and end up as a bad team and Hawaii could go 11-1 but as it is right now the Alabama win was bigger so I have no problem w/ the shuffle.

people actually have a problem with bama jumping USC? Bama CRUSHED a top 20 program and USC beat a team full of bums. i dont think USC shoulda ever been ranked 1 but it definately should be Bama now. I dont see how anyone would think otherwise.

And regardless, who even cares. You dont need to be 1, you just need to be top 2 to make the dance

[ozzie]

Bama CRUSHED a top 20 program...

Who says Michigan is a "top 20 program"?

I'll be so fucking glad when goddamned polls don't matter anymore. I can't believe people are ALREADY arguing over fucking rankings.

So basically, if USC and bama each run the table, then no other program that does not play bama or USC head-to-head this year "controls their own destiny", or has a shot at un-seating one of these two?

This system is so fucking stupid.

[JimBeam]

If Alabama's schedule remains as tough as it looks on paper and they run the table they most certainly will play for the national title.

USC's schedule isn't killer so other teams having better, undefeated seasons could surely pass them at some point.

[ozzie]

I really haven't even paid attention to the polls, but it looks like it's worse than I thought.

They're already setting the table for a 4 team "playoff" that involves only 2 conferences.

Semi's November 3rd:

#1 bama @ #3 LSU

#4 Oregon @ #2 USC

The winner of these two meet for the MNC? Or, fuck it, we can just replay bama and LSU again this year.

All other conferences are just playing for bowl game pecking order I guess.

[Snoogans]

I really haven't even paid attention to the polls, but it looks like it's worse than I thought.

They're already setting the table for a 4 team "playoff" that involves only 2 conferences.

Semi's November 3rd:

#1 bama @ #3 LSU

#4 Oregon @ #2 USC

The winner of these two meet for the MNC? Or, fuck it, we can just replay bama and LSU again this year.

All other conferences are just playing for bowl game pecking order I guess.

in fairness, if you look back, most years there isnt 4 undefeated teams. Some of these teams would lose. If a team from another conference, like ACC or Big East ran the table and was one of 4 or less undefeated teams, they would probably be in there

[ozzie]

If Alabama's schedule remains as tough as it looks on paper and they run the table they most certainly will play for the national title.

USC's schedule isn't killer so other teams having better, undefeated seasons could surely pass them at some point.

I see two other "ranked" teams on bama's schedule. I'm not sure what paper you're looking at.

I would love nothing more than to see the Pac 12, SEC, Big12, ACC and Big10 champs ALL go undefeated this year.

And just for good measure, throw an undefeated Notre Dame and Big East champ Rutgers into the mix.

I think it's a stretch to say that if any 2 of the 4 in the "semi's" above (ua/lsu/usc/ou) run the table, that any other undefeated conference winner (or even an undefeated ND) has a shot in hell at one of the 2 coveted spots.

1. LSU 13 - 0
2. Oregon 13 - 0
3. bama 11 - 1 (and assuming their only loss is on the road @ LSU, they might even hold onto #2 again)
4. Florida State 13 - 0
5. West Virginia 13 - 0
6. Notre Dame 12 - 0
7. Ohio State 13 - 0
8. Rutgers 12 - 0
9. USC 11 - 2

Or, swap USC and Oregon, and swap bama and LSU. Same difference.

Unless something drastic happens, it's almost predetermined that it'll be SEC v. Pac12 this year (or SEC v. SEC again).

THIS is why this system is so goddamned frustrating, and why I don't think that even a 4 team playoff is enough.

[Snoogans]

I see two other "ranked" teams on bama's schedule. I'm not sure what paper you're looking at.

I would love nothing more than to see the Pac 12, SEC, Big12, ACC and Big10 champs ALL go undefeated this year.

And just for good measure, throw an undefeated Notre Dame and Big East champ Rutgers into the mix.

I think it's a stretch to say that if any 2 of the 4 in the "semi's" above (ua/lsu/usc/ou) run the table, that any other undefeated conference winner (or even an undefeated ND) has a shot in hell at one of the 2 coveted spots.

1. LSU 13 - 0
2. Oregon 13 - 0
3. bama 11 - 1 (and assuming their only loss is on the road @ LSU, they might even hold onto #2 again)
4. Florida State 13 - 0
5. West Virginia 13 - 0
6. Notre Dame 12 - 0
7. Ohio State 13 - 0
8. Rutgers 12 - 0
9. USC 11 - 2

Or, swap USC and Oregon, and swap bama and LSU. Same difference.

Unless something drastic happens, it's almost predetermined that it'll be SEC v. Pac12 this year (or SEC v. SEC again).

THIS is why this system is so goddamned frustrating, and why I don't think that even a 4 team playoff is enough.

i know its the first game, and its never as good or as bad as it looked. But based on what i saw against Tulane, ill be happy if rutgers wins fuckin 10 games this year. They look like they know gary nova is a piece of shit and they are afraid to let him do anything so they just run 70% of the time. Thank god they have some kinda defense.

But they really need to fuckin find some shit out this week if they want any hope

[Snoogans]

Who says Michigan is a "top 20 program"?

.

i guess thats a fair point, but we can all agree they are probably a good bit better than Hawaii

[JimBeam]

WVU as 13-0 ?

I highly doubt it. They aren't in the Big East anymore.

I don't even think Alabama and LSU will go undefeated.

FSU ( because their schedule sucks ) and USC ot Oregon seem to be the teams w/ the easiest path to an undefeated season.

You really think that of the SEC teams that Alabama plays only LSU and ARK will be ranked by the end of the season ?

That's just silly.

[ozzie]

i know its the first game, and its never as good or as bad as it looked. But based on what i saw against Tulane, ill be happy if rutgers wins fuckin 10 games this year. They look like they know gary nova is a piece of shit and they are afraid to let him do anything so they just run 70% of the time. Thank god they have some kinda defense.

But they really need to fuckin find some shit out this week if they want any hope

Of the limited amount of Big East play I got to see last weekend, I'm guessing Louisville is the team to beat, but I didn't see a minute of South Florida, and Cincy didn't play.

I'm already looking forward to a week from tomorrow when y'all play USF.

Yeah, I know it's a long shot for Rutgers to think about an undefeated season, but wouldn't you be highly pissed off if they did, and were shut out of any shot at a title because of other coaches "opinion" about your league or "strength of schedule"?

[ozzie]

WVU as 13-0 ?

I highly doubt it. They aren't in the Big East anymore.

I don't even think Alabama and LSU will go undefeated.

FSU ( because their schedule sucks ) and USC ot Oregon seem to be the teams w/ the easiest path to an undefeated season.

You really think that of the SEC teams that Alabama plays only LSU and ARK will be ranked by the end of the season ?

That's just silly.

The premise was, if any 2 of the current top 4 "ran the table", I'm saying they are a lock, and no other undefeated team in the country could un-seat them.

I was just throwing out as many other possible undefeated teams as possible in a fictional final poll, to prove my point.

I really didn't want to put WVU in there, but I had to rule out Oklahoma because I was working under the assumption that Notre Dame ends up undefeated, and OU plays ND. Michigan State had to be eliminated for the same reason, so I put tOSU in there as the fictional undefeated Big10 champ.

WVU was just the next in line in the Big12 that didn't play any other of my fictional undefeated conference winners. I probably could have put Texas or someone else in there and still made the point.

You made the comment that other conferences still had a chance. Yet you're already knocking FSU's schedule?

So who else would have a shot? Oklahoma? Aren't we going to point back to how they struggled against UTEP and eliminate them too?

My point was, every other conference winner is pinning any hope this year at 3 of the top 4 teams right now having losses against someone other than each other.

Because they start with these bullshit pre-season polls, no one else really "controls their own destiny".

This is why the polls suck.

I fucking watched USC and Oklahoma go "wire to wire" in 2004, and watched Auburn playing for nothing in a bullshit Sugar Bowl game, so yeah, I'm biased, and why I fucking hate this system.

This year is worse because they're already covering their ass by putting the TWO best teams from each conference into the top-4, so there's even less of a chance of any other conference getting in.

And, sure, because of the SEC bias among the coaches and harris poll voters, I'm sure someone else on bammer's schedule could make an appearance in a poll at some point. Ta&m? UT? AU? Any one of those could sneak in for a few weeks, or possibly even end the year ranked. But having a number beside your school doesn't make your team any better. And the rest of their schedule is pretty weak.

[Snoogans]

Of the limited amount of Big East play I got to see last weekend, I'm guessing Louisville is the team to beat, but I didn't see a minute of South Florida, and Cincy didn't play.

I'm already looking forward to a week from tomorrow when y'all play USF.

Yeah, I know it's a long shot for Rutgers to think about an undefeated season, but wouldn't you be highly pissed off if they did, and were shut out of any shot at a title because of other coaches "opinion" about your league or "strength of schedule"?

i guess, except if they go 12-0 they probably wont play a strong enough schedule to deserve it.

@tulane, howard, @USF, @ arkansas, uconn, cuse, @ temple, kent state, army, @cincy, @pitt, louisville.

i guess if arkansas is 3-0 for that game and rutgers beats them on the way to winning out, then id be pissed, cause arkansas woulda beat bama before that. But if arkansas loses to bama, it takes any real prestige off that weak ass schedule. Sure I would like to have a shot, but im realistic, and I know they arent playin near the talent most schools in a champ position would have played

[razorboy]

UL-Monroe beats Arkansas in OT. I guess they needed Cheaty McMotorcyclecrash after all.

[sailor]

Was auburn expected to start this poorly?

[KnoxHarrington]

in fairness, if you look back, most years there isnt 4 undefeated teams. Some of these teams would lose. If a team from another conference, like ACC or Big East ran the table and was one of 4 or less undefeated teams, they would probably be in there

Nah, my guess is that a 1 loss team from the SEC, Pac-10, or Big 10 would get in before an undefeated team from the Big East.

The four team playoff is as corrupt a mess as the old system was. The only way it could be "fair" in any way would be if it's at least 8 teams, with automatic berths for the champions of the major conferences (SEC, ACC, Big East, Big 10, Pac-10, Big 12) and a few wild-cards.

[cougarjake13]

Nah, my guess is that a 1 loss team from the SEC, Pac-10, or Big 10 would get in before an undefeated team from the Big East.

The four team playoff is as corrupt a mess as the old system was. The only way it could be "fair" in any way would be if it's at least 8 teams, with automatic berths for the champions of the major conferences (SEC, ACC, Big East, Big 10, Pac-10, Big 12) and a few wild-cards.



hopefully it progresses to that

[underdog]

hopefully it progresses to that

What he said.

This is at least a step in the right direction.

[underdog]

UL-Monroe beats Arkansas in OT. I guess they needed Cheaty McMotorcyclecrash after all.

The only way it could have been better is if he were still the coach.

[Snoogans]

Nah, my guess is that a 1 loss team from the SEC, Pac-10, or Big 10 would get in before an undefeated team from the Big East.

The four team playoff is as corrupt a mess as the old system was. The only way it could be "fair" in any way would be if it's at least 8 teams, with automatic berths for the champions of the major conferences (SEC, ACC, Big East, Big 10, Pac-10, Big 12) and a few wild-cards.

What he said.

This is at least a step in the right direction.

you cant have auto births, it would essentially lock out the lower conf. If you gave the same 6 that get BCS berths in an 8 team, the other 2 teams would just be whoever was 2nd in the SEC and PAC 12/BIG12/BIG10.

You have to go 8 teams and no committe. do it just like the BCS and just take the top 8 teams. Any time boise or TCU or another non auto school was undefeated, they were always in the BCS top 8. Just use the top 8 and thats it.

[ozzie]

Was auburn expected to start this poorly?

No.

Two new coordinators, new QB, Freshmen at both tackles, and a slew of Frosh and Soph's on the two-deep, so expectations weren't terribly high... but they weren't this low either.

If, as the saying goes, "most teams make the most improvement between week 1 and week 2"... then Auburn is in serious trouble, and the coaching staff is taking heat. They didn't provide a lot of answers after the loss. From most fans views, the team took a major step backwards after playing Clemson tight for 4 quarters, to only putting up 3 pts from the offense, and getting gashed by a mediocre Miss State team on defense.

According to most recruiting ranking sites, AU has had 3 top-10 classes in a row, so it shouldn't be a lack of talent. The problem seems to be scheming and play calling, and putting guys in the right position.

This week they get U. La. Monroe... the team that just upset Arkansas. Coming off this win, they're bound to be playing loose and with a lot of confidence. Now, suddenly, this is a "must win game" for Coach Chizik. If they start 0 - 3, expect the coaching search to begin soon after.

After that it's LSU, and not much relief after that. I don't see Chizik surviving if they don't make one of the hundreds of stupid bowl games at the end of the year, and it's hard to look at the schedule now, after watching Saturday's performance, and see where he's going to pull out the six wins required to get them there.

I've been trying hard to stay positive, so I keep thinking back to the year Va Tech started with losses to Boise and James Madison, and hoping they can somehow salvage the season the way Beamer and the Hokies did.

[ozzie]

UL-Monroe beats Arkansas in OT. I guess they needed Cheaty McMotorcyclecrash after all.

That game kept me from grabbing the big knife Saturday night. We flipped over when it was still 28 - 21 in the 4th, and watched it to the end.

I haven't heard how long Tyler Wilson will be out, but I'm assuming he won't play against bama, and without him, they have no chance.

I'd predicted an Arky collapse this year, but I didn't expect it to go down like this. I figured they'd be top-10 before getting crushed by bama, and then taking a consecutive loss to Rutgers, and then A&M getting their revenge in week 5.

Sucks for Rutgers strength of schedule, but then again, they've got to survive South Florida first. And now, after the bulls knocked off Nevada on the road, that game is looking even tougher. I was kinda surprised So Fla didn't sneak into the polls after beating "this year's potential bcs buster", and Mark May's darling, Nevada.

[cougarjake13]

No.

Two new coordinators, new QB, Freshmen at both tackles, and a slew of Frosh and Soph's on the two-deep, so expectations weren't terribly high... but they weren't this low either.

If, as the saying goes, "most teams make the most improvement between week 1 and week 2"... then Auburn is in serious trouble, and the coaching staff is taking heat. They didn't provide a lot of answers after the loss. From most fans views, the team took a major step backwards after playing Clemson tight for 4 quarters, to only putting up 3 pts from the offense, and getting gashed by a mediocre Miss State team on defense.

According to most recruiting ranking sites, AU has had 3 top-10 classes in a row, so it shouldn't be a lack of talent. The problem seems to be scheming and play calling, and putting guys in the right position.

This week they get U. La. Monroe... the team that just upset Arkansas. Coming off this win, they're bound to be playing loose and with a lot of confidence. Now, suddenly, this is a "must win game" for Coach Chizik. If they start 0 - 3, expect the coaching search to begin soon after.

After that it's LSU, and not much relief after that. I don't see Chizik surviving if they don't make one of the hundreds of stupid bowl games at the end of the year, and it's hard to look at the schedule now, after watching Saturday's performance, and see where he's going to pull out the six wins required to get them there.

I've been trying hard to stay positive, so I keep thinking back to the year Va Tech started with losses to Boise and James Madison, and hoping they can somehow salvage the season the way Beamer and the Hokies did.


he just won a title and like u said a lot of turnover in the program
u don't think he'll get a lil slack for one year at least ?

[Snoogans]

That game kept me from grabbing the big knife Saturday night. We flipped over when it was still 28 - 21 in the 4th, and watched it to the end.

I haven't heard how long Tyler Wilson will be out, but I'm assuming he won't play against bama, and without him, they have no chance.

I'd predicted an Arky collapse this year, but I didn't expect it to go down like this. I figured they'd be top-10 before getting crushed by bama, and then taking a consecutive loss to Rutgers, and then A&M getting their revenge in week 5.

Sucks for Rutgers strength of schedule, but then again, they've got to survive South Florida first. And now, after the bulls knocked off Nevada on the road, that game is looking even tougher. I was kinda surprised So Fla didn't sneak into the polls after beating "this year's potential bcs buster", and Mark May's darling, Nevada.

and, Rutgers didnt exactly look great against howard. If they had played 2 real teams, they would be 0-2 right now

[ozzie]

he just won a title and like u said a lot of turnover in the program
u don't think he'll get a lil slack for one year at least ?

He got a pass last year, having the youngest team in D-1A. AU fans tolerated the 5 losses, even though they were humiliating, crushing defeats to our rivals (LSU, Arky, Bama, UGA and Clemson). How bad were those games? Total pts for those opponents - 208 - AU 69. That's an average loss of 41.6 to 13.8.

This year, yeah, theres still sophomores and freshmen at most positions, but they're now a year older.

Again, no one really had any hard feelings when we lost a close opener to #14 Clemson again this year, and probably would have accepted "closer" losses to other ranked teams on the schedule.

But to not be able to score an offensive TD against Mississippi State? And not to show any signs of improvement on defense with another year under their belt?

Last year defensive coordinator (Ted Roof, now at Penn State) took the blame for the poor showing on D. Well, him, and lack of experience and size.

Now, they're a year older, a little bigger, and Ted was replaced by a guy who had a TON of success at UGA earlier this millenium, and had reasonable success with the Falcons.

The common denomonator at this point is Head Coach Gene Chizik... who made his own reputation as a defensive coordinator at AU and Texas.

He went 5 - 19 at Iowa State before landing the AU job. Most people questioned his ability to be a head coach at an SEC school even then.

Yes, when he had that tremendous class of seniors and juniors in 2010, they won them all. But even that year AU gave up massive amounts of yards and points to almost everyone. Only Gus Malzahn's offense, fronted by an offensive line that had over 100 combined starts going into that year, a pounding running back and, oh yeah, some QB named Cam... only these guys out-scoring everyone kept them from dropping more than a few that year.

You really had to have seen the game Saturday to understand why the fan base is upset and ready to take an ax to this staff. Both lines got whipped, and these boys still can not tackle. Supposedly something they'd focused on after Clemson kept breaking free.

And on offense... hell, even my Chick knew that every time Keihl checked out of a play (which was all too often), it was to a run, and she was even calling what side they'd be running to, from watching at home. And numerous times they called a safe QB draw on third and long.

I'd never seen an AU team that looked so poorly coached, and worse, looked like they'd given up in the second half as soon as they got down.

Again, I'm still holding out some hope that they can turn it around and at least be competetive this year, but it's hard, man. Real hard to find anything positive to take away from that last game.

I'm just saying, if they fuck around and lose to UL Monroe at home, and get crushed by LSU (which looks inevitable at this point), and start out 0 - 4, his seat is going to get pretty damn HOT. And there's not many "sure wins" on the schedule after that either.

[ozzie]

If there's any Rutgers fans that had planned to make the trip to Arkansas this year... below is a glimpse on the type of "Whoooooooooooo pig" fans they'd be encountering:

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[ozzie]

He got a pass last year, having the youngest team in D-1A. AU fans tolerated the 5 losses, even though they were humiliating, crushing defeats to our rivals (LSU, Arky, Bama, UGA and Clemson). How bad were those games? Total pts for those opponents - 208 - AU 69. That's an average loss of 41.6 to 13.8.

This year, yeah, theres still sophomores and freshmen at most positions, but they're now a year older.

Again, no one really had any hard feelings when we lost a close opener to #14 Clemson again this year, and probably would have accepted "closer" losses to other ranked teams on the schedule.

But to not be able to score an offensive TD against Mississippi State? And not to show any signs of improvement on defense with another year under their belt?

Last year defensive coordinator (Ted Roof, now at Penn State) took the blame for the poor showing on D. Well, him, and lack of experience and size.

Now, they're a year older, a little bigger, and Ted was replaced by a guy who had a TON of success at UGA earlier this millenium, and had reasonable success with the Falcons.

The common denomonator at this point is Head Coach Gene Chizik... who made his own reputation as a defensive coordinator at AU and Texas.

He went 5 - 19 at Iowa State before landing the AU job. Most people questioned his ability to be a head coach at an SEC school even then.

Yes, when he had that tremendous class of seniors and juniors in 2010, they won them all. But even that year AU gave up massive amounts of yards and points to almost everyone. Only Gus Malzahn's offense, fronted by an offensive line that had over 100 combined starts going into that year, a pounding running back and, oh yeah, some QB named Cam... only these guys out-scoring everyone kept them from dropping more than a few that year.

You really had to have seen the game Saturday to understand why the fan base is upset and ready to take an ax to this staff. Both lines got whipped, and these boys still can not tackle. Supposedly something they'd focused on after Clemson kept breaking free.

And on offense... hell, even my Chick knew that every time Keihl checked out of a play (which was all too often), it was to a run, and she was even calling what side they'd be running to, from watching at home. And numerous times they called a safe QB draw on third and long.

I'd never seen an AU team that looked so poorly coached, and worse, looked like they'd given up in the second half as soon as they got down.

Again, I'm still holding out some hope that they can turn it around and at least be competetive this year, but it's hard, man. Real hard to find anything positive to take away from that last game.

I'm just saying, if they fuck around and lose to UL Monroe at home, and get crushed by LSU (which looks inevitable at this point), and start out 0 - 4, his seat is going to get pretty damn HOT. And there's not many "sure wins" on the schedule after that either.

Mississippi State says it knew Kiehl Frazier's calls at the line (http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2012/09/mississippi_state_says_it_knew.html)

AUBURN, Alabama – Mississippi State co-defensive coordinator Geoff Collins said the Bulldogs knew Auburn's plays last week because they could they could recognize the signals quarterback Kiehl Frazier was shouting.

"I'm not aware. We can rectify that problem," Auburn coach Gene Chizik after Wednesday's practice.

Collins was quoted in the Columbus Dispatch in Mississippi that knowing the plays "makes our job as coaches so much easier when (linebacker) Cam Lawrence is signaling over his head every time they were calling a pass."

THIS is the shit I'm talking about.

You were "not aware"?

A linebacker is signalling the other defensive players on the field, telling them what play is coming, and you were "NOT AWARE"?!?!?

You better "rectify that problem" quick.

[Snoogans]

im not feelin good about this game tonight. With what I have seen from them, plus a short week, this could be ugly

[Snoogans]

national fuckin tv, what an embarrassment. 5 penalties the first 8 plays, the fuckin holder drops a snap. BUMS.

Thank GOD their defense is good enough that they can usually hide some of this shit. Its only 3-0 USF but this shit is BAD

[CountryBob]

Woah - damn!

Punter down and someones head came off!

[Snoogans]

its a miracle this is only a 6-0 game. Thank god BJ Daniels stinks and Holtz is afraid to open anything up.

[CountryBob]

damn what a hold!

[Snoogans]

that kid is outta the game now too. dislocated his pinky on that great hold

[razorboy]

that kid is outta the game now too. dislocated his pinky on that great hold

I think he meant the incredibly obvious hold that wasn't called against the Rutgers tackle.

[Snoogans]

I think he meant the incredibly obvious hold that wasn't called against the Rutgers tackle.

oh i thought he was talkin about the fucked up hold on the missed FG

[Snoogans]

that was a great fuckin catch by that USF WR on that play.

[razorboy]

I can't remember a game under Schiano where Rutgers killed themselves with penalties like they are tonight. Admittedly I didn't watch a ton of their games.

[CountryBob]

is either of these teams supposed to be any good? Or is it early year gitters?

[Snoogans]

I can't remember a game under Schiano where Rutgers killed themselves with penalties like they are tonight. Admittedly I didn't watch a ton of their games.
never. this is HORRIBLE.


is either of these teams supposed to be any good? Or is it early year gitters?

They are both supposed to be pretty good. Rutgers D is supposed to be one of the better Ds in the country.

And i just have to say, Juwan Jamison is a monster. If not for dumb penalties, this kid could be at 100 yards by now. he is like a little fuckin rocket dartin around out there.

[razorboy]

is either of these teams supposed to be any good? Or is it early year gitters?

Speaking for USF, BJ Daniels has a tendency to be spectacular or spectacularly bad. The USF O-Line is kind of a mess this year. Andre Davis is a stud though. Definitely a future NFL receiver.

[Snoogans]

for all the RU penalties, they could at least call a few of the ones USF is gettin away with.


I wanna add im enjoying this broadcasting crew. They know their shit but also seem to have a pretty good chemistry and are havin fun with it

[Snoogans]

this is some UGLY shit

[razorboy]

I definitely disagree with that standing as an INT.

[CountryBob]

Good luck Snoogans - im headed over to the Bears Packers game!

[ozzie]

Good luck Snoogans - im headed over to the Bears Packers game!

Yeah, I'm DVR'ing "double playing" both games, so any comment I make about either is liable to be 15 - 30 minutes behind at any moment.

[ozzie]

never. this is HORRIBLE.




They are both supposed to be pretty good. Rutgers D is supposed to be one of the better Ds in the country.

And i just have to say, Juwan Jamison is a monster. If not for dumb penalties, this kid could be at 100 yards by now. he is like a little fuckin rocket dartin around out there.

As posted earlier this thread, Nevada was picked by Mark May and a few others as this year's "Utah", or "Boise State", or, basically, this year's "BCS BUSTER"... and South Florida went out to Nevada and pulled off a win in Week 2, so, yeah, they were supposed to be pretty good.

And before the season started I was pulling/predicting for Rutgers to still be undefeated going into Arkansas and shocking the world by knocking them off in week 4, so at least one redneck thought Rutgers would be decent too.

[ozzie]

Speaking for USF, BJ Daniels has a tendency to be spectacular or spectacularly bad. The USF O-Line is kind of a mess this year. Andre Davis is a stud though. Definitely a future NFL receiver.

BJ is one of those guys that seems like he's been there forever.

Fuck, yeah, I just looked, and he played in two games in 2008, and then full seasons in 09, 10 and 11.

How the hell did he manage a fifth year of eligibility?!?!?!

I kinda remember him coming into a game in 09 against Miami or FSU and giving them a challenge. I thought he was a "freshman" then.

[Snoogans]

As posted earlier this thread, Nevada was picked by Mark May and a few others as this year's "Utah", or "Boise State", or, basically, this year's "BCS BUSTER"... and South Florida went out to Nevada and pulled off a win in Week 2, so, yeah, they were supposed to be pretty good.

And before the season started I was pulling/predicting for Rutgers to still be undefeated going into Arkansas and shocking the world by knocking them off in week 4, so at least one redneck thought Rutgers would be decent too.

its 6-3 at half. sorry if i ruin it for you ozzie, but it could be a WHOLE lot worse. So far this year, rutgers has been brutally bad in the first half and then come out and made a couple adjustments and been better in the 2nd. So the fact they snuck outta the first half only down 3 I think they have a real good shot to win this game.

The offense has played well when they arent taking penalties, and its a shame cause a few penalties that didnt matter to the play negated some really nice plays, esp on first down. but aside from that, they look sharper than the first 2 weeks.

the D has been outstanding with the exception of only 1 play really, the blown coverage. Even on that other big pass they were right there, guy just made a great play

[ozzie]

for all the RU penalties, they could at least call a few of the ones USF is gettin away with.


I wanna add im enjoying this broadcasting crew. They know their shit but also seem to have a pretty good chemistry and are havin fun with it

I don't routinely watch the Pollack / Palmer show that I guess they have on ESPNU or some shit, but I see quotes / posts on the AU board about them all the time.

I'm assuming they're going for "shock value" and / or "ratings", but some of the quotes I've seen from both of them are ridiculous, and have to be just that.

It was hard as an AU fan NOT to root for Pollack when he played at UGA, and I really wanted to like him as a broadcaster... but again, some of the statements he's made are just retarded.

Jesse Palmer seems to been have hired purely for his looks and whatever fame he created on those stupid reality shows.

Reece is solid though. No arguement there.

[razorboy]

BJ is one of those guys that seems like he's been there forever.

Fuck, yeah, I just looked, and he played in two games in 2008, and then full seasons in 09, 10 and 11.

How the hell did he manage a fifth year of eligibility?!?!?!

I kinda remember him coming into a game in 09 against Miami or FSU and giving them a challenge. I thought he was a "freshman" then.

He took a handful of snaps in the 2008 opener and then they applied for and were granted a redshirt exemption if I recall correctly. The win against FSU in his first game as a starter after Grothe went down was in 2009.

[Snoogans]

I don't routinely watch the Pollack / Palmer show that I guess they have on ESPNU or some shit, but I see quotes / posts on the AU board about them all the time.

I'm assuming they're going for "shock value" and / or "ratings", but some of the quotes I've seen from both of them are ridiculous, and have to be just that.

It was hard as an AU fan NOT to root for Pollack when he played at UGA, and I really wanted to like him as a broadcaster... but again, some of the statements he's made are just retarded.

Jesse Palmer seems to been have hired purely for his looks and whatever fame he created on those stupid reality shows.

Reece is solid though. No arguement there.

i have no idea about their show, cause i dont put on ESPNU unless their is a game on. But on this game they have seemed to be pretty good, although Ive always liked reece and palmer in past years when they were with that other bum

[ozzie]

its 6-3 at half. sorry if i ruin it for you ozzie, but it could be a WHOLE lot worse. So far this year, rutgers has been brutally bad in the first half and then come out and made a couple adjustments and been better in the 2nd. So the fact they snuck outta the first half only down 3 I think they have a real good shot to win this game.

The offense has played well when they arent taking penalties, and its a shame cause a few penalties that didnt matter to the play negated some really nice plays, esp on first down. but aside from that, they look sharper than the first 2 weeks.

the D has been outstanding with the exception of only 1 play really, the blown coverage. Even on that other big pass they were right there, guy just made a great play

I'm almost to halftime, and see what you mean.

But this is a tough road game. The pressure is all on USF. I'll take Rutgers +3.5 right now.

FG.... GOOD! Woohoo! I'm up 0.5 pts!!!

Admittedly, I've only seen box scores of Rutgers previous 2 games, but I still have hope.

If this was still Jim Leavitt's team... maybe not. But under Holtz's... no lead is safe. Just look back to last year's result.

[razorboy]

I've always wondered if Pollack was a PED user because he went from large to freakishly skinny almost overnight as soon as he retired.

[ozzie]

The Chrome Dome's are growing on me.

Have they worn these at home with their Scarlett jersey's?

AU seems to be the only D-1A team that hasn't gone to some kinda "alternate" uniform.

I say fuck tradition. The kids seem to like it. Hell, I like it. Sometimes change is good.

And before you say it... YES, Notre Dame, bama, UGA, Michigan... almost all of the "traditional powers" have all "shaken up" their uniforms at some point over the last few years, even if it was just for one game.

Even boring ass Penn State added names to their jerseys this year, and have made slight changes in collar colors, and stuff.

[ozzie]

I've always wondered if Pollack was a PED user because he went from large to freakishly skinny almost overnight as soon as he retired.

Thank You!!! I got in an argument with an UGA fan last year over the exact same thing.

[ozzie]

Nova is taking "throwing it away if there's nothing there" to a whole 'nother level tonight.

[Snoogans]

really dickheads? you are finally moving the ball so you call an end around WR option pass?

[Snoogans]

The Chrome Dome's are growing on me.

Have they worn these at home with their Scarlett jersey's?

AU seems to be the only D-1A team that hasn't gone to some kinda "alternate" uniform.

I say fuck tradition. The kids seem to like it. Hell, I like it. Sometimes change is good.

And before you say it... YES, Notre Dame, bama, UGA, Michigan... almost all of the "traditional powers" have all "shaken up" their uniforms at some point over the last few years, even if it was just for one game.

Even boring ass Penn State added names to their jerseys this year, and have made slight changes in collar colors, and stuff.
the home uni looks the same but flip the red and white, same chrome helmets

[ozzie]

really dickheads? you are finally moving the ball so you call an end around WR option pass?

Holy shit, just saw that. FF'ing through halftime musta got me caught up. I thought I was still behind y'all.

Didn't catch the name of the receiver who dropped the TD pass, but WTF?

Tied in the 3rd is not a bad place to be right now though. Overall, nice drive and confidence for the O.

[ozzie]

America... FUCK YEAH!

Pickin' off passes, gonna save the fuckin' day, yeah!

Need 6 here, not 3.

[ozzie]

How come the ONLY time they seem to really look at how far the ball is advanced is when it's on teh fucking goal line, and an automatic review.

Dude stuck the ball out a good YARD past the first down line before he went down.

It's FORWARD PROGRESS of the ball, no matter where it is on the field. Period.

Got the call right in the end, but still not where the dude stuck it.

[Snoogans]

big score. FINALLY. see they wake up in the 2nd half

[ozzie]

Boo this, bucs fans. Go play in the pirate ship.

That was a score.

This is where Holtz proves he's just there because of his last name. You can't hold a lead or play from behind by being conservative, and the bulls don't have the balls to come back in this game. BJ's last pick just took the edge off the play calling, and I'm calling it now. Rutgers wins this game.

[Snoogans]

now the D is gassed

[ozzie]

Fuck yeah! There it is!

The BJ / bulls implosion begins now.

[Snoogans]

OH SHIT FUCKIN HUGE PICK

damn that was big. ALOT of breaks for rutgers tonight, but also alot of good, heads up plays by the D. And damn ive never seen so many guys on D with hands. I guess thats what happens when you move safteies to LB and LBs to DL to get more speed, now you got your lower level WRs playing DB and it shows

[ozzie]

OH SHIT FUCKIN HUGE PICK

damn that was big. ALOT of breaks for rutgers tonight, but also alot of good, heads up plays by the D. And damn ive never seen so many guys on D with hands. I guess thats what happens when you move safteies to LB and LBs to DL to get more speed, now you got your lower level WRs playing DB and it shows

Look at the best D1-A defenses, and they all exploit SPEED.

If you're lucky, like bama, you can have 290 lb linemen and huge LB's and DE's with both speed and size... but look at USC's LB's over the years. Not many much over 2 bills, and still pretty stout against the run.

Unfortunately, AU's LB's make up for a lack of size with an equivalent lack of speed.

[Snoogans]

i gotta say, nova has impressed me. He has made a few bad location throws but you can fix that. he has made GREAT decisions, good reads, and shown some decent feet in and around the pocket

[Snoogans]

Look at the best D1-A defenses, and they all exploit SPEED.

If you're lucky, like bama, you can have 290 lb linemen and huge LB's and DE's with both speed and size... but look at USC's LB's over the years. Not many much over 2 bills, and still pretty stout against the run.

Unfortunately, AU's LB's make up for a lack of size with an equivalent lack of speed.

Kaseem green is like 6'0 220 and was a saftey. We moved him to LB last year and he was co big east player of the year. 140 tackles, like 5 sacks, a few picks, ffs, just a monster. Schiano saw the D gettin slower so he shuffled everything down. LBs to DL, Safteys to LB, CBs to saftey, and then WRs/RBs to CB and its worked fantastic

[ozzie]

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I only saw one starter on the Rutgers D that wasn't a Junior or Senior.

You can't coach experience.

[Snoogans]

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I only saw one starter on the Rutgers D that wasn't a Junior or Senior.

You can't coach experience.

yea 10 of the 11 guys from last year are back. thats why they have been so sharp from game 1. that and they are really good.

They have some pretty good experience on offense in terms of games played but most of the guys are sophs and jrs

[ozzie]

I can't believe I worried about Rutgers conditioning and hydration for a game in So Fla in September.

After 3 qtrs, I'm saying advantage = Rutgers

[Snoogans]

im convinced rutgers would be the best lookin offense ever tonight without these stupid penalties. they really could have like 50 points

[Snoogans]

I can't believe I worried about Rutgers conditioning and hydration for a game in So Fla in September.

After 3 qtrs, I'm saying advantage = Rutgers

they have a good number of kids from florida on the team. plus in NJ, the summer gets just as hot and humid, so camp gets you pretty used to it. I never remember them ever really having conditioning problems under schiano

our punter sucks balls. We should let that freshman kicker give it a rip. it cant be any worse

[ozzie]

It's goddamned refreshing to watch a team that knows how to tackle. Credit to the RU staff.

[Snoogans]

does BJ Daniels ever throw deep and not put 8 seconds of air under the ball? He has us torched on a couple plays and coulda just ripped it in there


and yea rutgers tackles well. They have always been solid on that since Schiano showed up.

[ozzie]

Seriously.. hte whole USF offensive seems to be centered around getting the ball to a "playmaker in space", and hoping they break a tackle.

That doesn't work against a diciplined defense.

Make no mistake. Regardless of the outcome tonight, there are skill players all over the USF team, and they will win games this year.

This would make a Rutgers win tonight even more impressive.

[Snoogans]

CATCH THE FUCKIN BALL

right after i praise their fuckin hands

[ozzie]

does BJ Daniels ever throw deep and not put 8 seconds of air under the ball? He has us torched on a couple plays and coulda just ripped it in there


and yea rutgers tackles well. They have always been solid on that since Schiano showed up.

The centerfielder on that play had perfect position... just shit for timing. I guess he never played forward on his BB team.

BJ, nor the USF receiver should be bragging about that one.

Need a time consuming drive here to take back the lead.

[Snoogans]

that trivia question is BULLSHIT. there are 4 schools who just joined who havent had them

[ozzie]

It's the fucking little things... like a young college receiver that realizes they're trying to burn time, and goes down in bounds... that's what defines a well coached team.

Snoogs... as of now, I'm fucking jealous.

[ozzie]

that trivia question is BULLSHIT. there are 4 schools who just joined who havent had them

Not sure about UMass, Tex State, or Tex San An, but South Alabama hasn't been playing ANY level of football long enough to ever have one.

[Snoogans]

all night, both teams WRs have slowed down on deep routes lookin back for the ball. that ball wasnt a terrible throw, and a couple daniels threw were good but the receivers slow down, I hate that shit.

And Ozzie, part of it with the technique and proper coaching was that rutgers was always less talented than the teams they were playing. So if they wanted a chance to win, they had to be that way. Its bled through and now, as they get more and more real talent in there, it will pay off huge.

Apparently they stopped coaching guys not to commit penalties though

[Snoogans]

thats a couple big plays by the secondary. As a fuckin New York Giants fan, i get jealous watching rutgers play D and how fast they are coverin WRs

[ozzie]

all night, both teams WRs have slowed down on deep routes lookin back for the ball. that ball wasnt a terrible throw, and a couple daniels threw were good but the receivers slow down, I hate that shit.

And Ozzie, part of it with the technique and proper coaching was that rutgers was always less talented than the teams they were playing. So if they wanted a chance to win, they had to be that way. Its bled through and now, as they get more and more real talent in there, it will pay off huge.

Apparently they stopped coaching guys not to commit penalties though

Not having a DB under 6 foot is paying off huge tonight.

Can't coach size either.

Apparently all you gotta do against BJ in his Senior year is sit back, jump and KNOCK IT DOWN!!!

[Snoogans]

Not having a DB under 6 foot is paying off huge tonight.

Can't coach size either.

Apparently all you gotta do against BJ in his Senior year is sit back, jump and KNOCK IT DOWN!!!

i dont get it, he has a cannon, and every fuckin pass is a rainbow

[Snoogans]

good throw gary.

PUT THIS IN THE ENDZONE

[ozzie]

I think I just woke up the wife and kid on that one.

Blown coverage or not, that was fuking HUGE.

Eat the clock, get the score, and prevent the 8 sec desperation lob passes from BJ and this one is in the books.

[Snoogans]

Pussies

[Snoogans]

holy shit

that guy hit a 51 yarder before? WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

[ozzie]

Cutler sucks. Put in Campbell!!!!

edit: wrong thread

[Snoogans]

really, kickoff out of bounds now?

[ozzie]

really, kickoff out of bounds now?

With the new rules, I didn't think that was even a possibility now.

Hell yeah, make them covert on 4th........

[ozzie]

C'mon coach... need at least a first down or two here to seal it.

[Snoogans]

i love that call on the 4th down. 1 play, go stop em. And it lets your kids know you think they are good enough. GREAT call by the coach, and great play by the D

[Snoogans]

YES. WHAT A FUCKIN RUN


LOVE THAT GUY. what a beast he is. Fuckin redshirt soph, he looks ALOT like Ray Rice did when he was here

[ozzie]

Turn out the lights... the party's over... they say that all... good things must end...

Solid fucking win Snoogs. I don't care if there was a number next to USF tonight or not. That was impressive.

[Snoogans]

HAHAHAHAHAHA good awareness USF. HAHAHAHAHA

what a way to seal it. a PS3 run and then that

[ozzie]

Great coaching Holtz... don't worry about teaching your return team about the whole "live ball" thing... I'm sure they were told that in High School.

Dick.

Icing on the cake.

[Snoogans]

Turn out the lights... the party's over... they say that all... good things must end...

Solid fucking win Snoogs. I don't care if there was a number next to USF tonight or not. That was impressive.

yea they played alot better than the past 2 games for sure. this D is nasty, and jamison is nasty. What im most impressed by is Gary Nova though. This was a BIG game for his growth. True soph in his first full year starting. This was a really good one.

1 more. If we can pick of the Hogs next week, we go into the bye 4-0 and come out with uconn, cuse, @temple, kent state into the next bye. This could be something this year if they can build on this one

[Snoogans]

40 carries for jamison. And probably, with all the flags, he actually got like 50. I cant believe he is still walkin

[ozzie]

yea they played alot better than the past 2 games for sure. this D is nasty, and jamison is nasty. What im most impressed by is Gary Nova though. This was a BIG game for his growth. True soph in his first full year starting. This was a really good one.

1 more. If we can pick of the Hogs next week, we go into the bye 4-0 and come out with uconn, cuse, @temple, kent state into the next bye. This could be something this year if they can build on this one

I don't think Kentucky is/was as good as I thought, so I'm less impressed with Louisville now.

Not sure about Cincy yet, but I'm saying that Rutgers right now has a pretty damn good shot at a BCS game.

Last I saw, Arky's QB Tyler Wilson was a game time decision for the bammer game Saturday, but odds are, he doesn't play.

Assuming they drop that one, and he does not, in fact, play... I don't see the need to hurry his recovery to get him back in time for Rutgers.

No one wants to win by default, especially a Big East team looking for credibility, but after what I saw tonight, and if Arky is without Wilson, I see no reason Rutgers should lose in Razorback stadium.

[ozzie]

Oh, and Cutler still sucks. I don't really care what thread this is in.

[Snoogans]

I don't think Kentucky is/was as good as I thought, so I'm less impressed with Louisville now.

Not sure about Cincy yet, but I'm saying that Rutgers right now has a pretty damn good shot at a BCS game.

Last I saw, Arky's QB Tyler Wilson was a game time decision for the bammer game Saturday, but odds are, he doesn't play.

Assuming they drop that one, and he does not, in fact, play... I don't see the need to hurry his recovery to get him back in time for Rutgers.

No one wants to win by default, especially a Big East team looking for credibility, but after what I saw tonight, and if Arky is without Wilson, I see no reason Rutgers should lose in Razorback stadium.
even if they have him, the defense is still good enough to shut them down if they play a solid game. If they can just clean up a few of these stupid penalties, I see no reason why they couldnt compete with anyone. they sure have some talent now

[ozzie]

Turn out the lights... the party's over... they say that all... good things must end...

Solid fucking win Snoogs. I don't care if there was a number next to USF tonight or not. That was impressive.

For my chick ("What the hell is that supposed to mean? Is that lyrics?")... and anyone else who didn't get the reference:

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And Cutler still sucks. Fuckin' bum®

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[ozzie]

even if they have him, the defense is still good enough to shut them down if they play a solid game. If they can just clean up a few of these stupid penalties, I see no reason why they couldnt compete with anyone. they sure have some talent now

Arkansas still has SEC talent... don't take them too lightly, no matter what happens this weekend.

But, yeah, Rutgers has speed on D to keep it tight with the pigs regardless who is at QB.

I like the fact that RU showed speed coming off the edge and quick LB's to cover the dinks and dunks, and solid tackling to avoid giving up big plays on short routes and hitches.

Even if Wilson comes back, he's bound to be taking short drops and definitely not a threat to run right now.

And I really like the size and speed in the D-backfield as well to match up with Arky's WR's if they go press man.

Another solid performance by Nova and the running game, and you'll definitely "compete" no matter what.

[Snoogans]

damn ozzie you guys barely squeaked that one out today.

Im startin to wonder though if auburn and arkansas really were that bad or if ULM is just better than people think. They sure look like they can hang with anyone

[underdog]

Man, Arkansas blows.

[razorboy]

Stepfan Taylor is a stud.

[razorboy]

I'm glad the Southern Cal hype train derailed early.

[cougarjake13]

I'm glad the Southern Cal hype train derailed early.

agreed but one loss doesnt put em out yet

once they lose to UCLA or anyone for that matter then ill count em out

[razorboy]

agreed but one loss doesnt put em out yet

once they lose to UCLA or anyone for that matter then ill count em out

I think Oregon takes them at the Coliseum too. The only decent test the Ducks have had so far is Fresno State, but the Bulldogs are a pretty good team. We should get a better idea about Oregon after they play Arizona next week.

[ozzie]

damn ozzie you guys barely squeaked that one out today.

Im startin to wonder though if auburn and arkansas really were that bad or if ULM is just better than people think. They sure look like they can hang with anyone

ULM knocked off bama in Saban's first year there. Every few years they put together a pretty scary team, and they were very well coached this year. Not to mention that QB they have may not have been highly recruited, but the kid made some throws Saturday better than I've seen from Auburn or any of their opponents yet (Clemson nor MSU).

But I think the last two weeks also had a lot to do with exposing some of the middle to lower level SEC schools.

I get that Tyler Wilson didn't play for the pigs and all, but c'mon. Even with him they were never a top-10 team, and never stood a chance against bama.

And, no, I don't think Florida and South Carolina are deserving of their rankings either. They're just moving up by default as other teams lose. Georgia is probably the third best in the conference right now, but I think there's still a drop off from the top two down to uga.

But back to AU's struggles... as I was afraid would happen, ULM came in and played fucking fearless, and never gave up even when they went down 2 TD's. Confidence is huge, and ULM had it, Auburn did not.

Baylor plays ULM next. I saw that they had Baylor as about a 7 pt favorite on the road. I worry about ULM having a let down after such a close loss. Otherwise, I might have to go with the home team and the points.

I fucking hate the thought of people even talking about a bama/lsu rematch. It already cheapens what should be "the game of the century part III", because people are ALREADY predicting a re-match between them again in the MNC.

[ozzie]

I've heard reports that Tyler Wilson is practicing and looks like he'll play this weekend against Rutgers.

Wilson said he is "extremely optimistic".

The few places that have posted a line have the pigs -7

Unfortunately that game is on at the exact same time as the AU/LSU game, so I doubt I'll get to see much of it.

There was a bomb threat on the LSU campus this week, so they missed a day of practice. The joke is that it was Chizik who called it in.

The other joke I heard was a caller who, after being told that LSU would be flying into town, said that "well, then, Auburn does have a chance".

The last time I can remember Auburn being this much of an underdog to a top ranked team was 2007, when no one gave AU any chance of beating the defending MNC gaytors on the road, especially "Dr Lou":

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/55/ecad9946ee119e135e08be5c6ee33db6/l.jpg

AU won in Gainesville 20 - 17.

I'm hoping for another such miracle this weekend.

[MHasegawa]

Why have kickoffs at this point? I hate this stupid new rule, just start the offensive drive at the 25 without a kick since they all sail over the end zone anyway.

[deliciousV]

Why have kickoffs at this point? I hate this stupid new rule, just start the offensive drive at the 25 without a kick since they all sail over the end zone anyway.

you take away kickoffs and you remove the strategy of the onside kick

[cougarjake13]

you take away kickoffs and you remove the strategy of the onside kick



thats pretty much the only reason to keep it in


same for nfl


but u know whats funny

as much as the kickers reach the end zone now it seems like the returners bring it out more then before

[Snoogans]

Rutgers has not played that well for most of the first half. But they turned it on some in the 2nd quarter and they are goin into halftime up 14-10. All things told, thats not bad. Nova has thrown it well again, thankfully cause the Hogs have been pretty good against the run.

Hopefully they can keep it rollin coming outta half. Im pretty sure rutgers gets the ball too

[Snoogans]

GARY FUCKIN NOVA

Rutgers beat Arkansas 35-26 and their D didnt even play that well but came up with a couple big turnovers.

Nova was fuckin 25-35 for 397 and 5 TDs, no picks

[ozzie]

GARY FUCKIN NOVA

Rutgers beat Arkansas 35-26 and their D didnt even play that well but came up with a couple big turnovers.

Nova was fuckin 25-35 for 397 and 5 TDs, no picks

As expected, all I saw was the score changing on the bottom line, and the occasional studio update highlight.

I was glad to see Tyler Wilson playing so the pigs would have no excuse.

Solid win for Rutgers.


If AU had Nova, or ANY fucking QB right now, I'd be celebrating knocking off #2 LSwho. The defense finally shows up, and we can't even manage a fucking single point in the second half.

I'm really trying to be patient with this kid, but this has been, and is going to be, a long, frustrating year.

I just hope it all pays off for us next year or 2014 when AU finally can stop talking about how goddamned YOUNG they are.

[JimBeam]

Snoogans, nice win by Rutgers.

The stink of Arkansas will now linger on the SEC's schedule for the rest of the year.

I would temper any thoughts of a BCS run though because their current schedule isn't polling well ( tied for 96th w/ Army ).

Their opponents they've played, through yesterday, were only 1-5. Their future opponents, at this time, are only 8-12.

That's be a lot to overcome even w/ an undefeated season.

But it doesn't take away from a win on the road at an SEC school.

You should now pull for ARK the rest of the year because if they get good games against their remaining schedule that could help Rutgers.

[Snoogans]

Snoogans, nice win by Rutgers.

The stink of Arkansas will now linger on the SEC's schedule for the rest of the year.

I would temper any thoughts of a BCS run though because their current schedule isn't polling well ( tied for 96th w/ Army ).

Their opponents they've played, through yesterday, were only 1-5. Their future opponents, at this time, are only 8-12.

That's be a lot to overcome even w/ an undefeated season.

But it doesn't take away from a win on the road at an SEC school.

You should now pull for ARK the rest of the year because if they get good games against their remaining schedule that could help Rutgers.

im not worried about a title run. Even if Arkansas had been playin its best, that woulda needed ALOT of help. But yea, they beat SEC talent in the SEC team's stadium. Thats a BIG win.
Plus, Rutgers has still never won the big east. This will give them a confidence boost going into their bye and they now have a GREAT chance to run the big east and win the title. Thats all I'm really lookin for. Until there is a playoff, and even then to a point, you need luck and help to have a shot at the title.

Though I dont know where the 1-5 came from. USF was 2-0 when Rutgers played them.

[JimBeam]

Yeah I was counting the numbers in my head and the win/loss didn't make sense either.

I got it from here :

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2012/Internet/toughest%20schedule/tough.html

Picked " Sorted on Cumulative Opposition ".

[JimBeam]

I came across that link when I was trying to find who had the #1 scoring defense ahead of Alabama.

It was TCU.

[Snoogans]

Yeah I was counting the numbers in my head and the win/loss didn't make sense either.

I got it from here :

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2012/Internet/toughest%20schedule/tough.html

Picked " Sorted on Cumulative Opposition ".

yea thats a bit odd. I know howard doesnt count toward records, tulane is prob 0-3 or 0-4 so that one hurts. Ark is 1-3 now and USF tanked another game so they are 2-2. Ball fuckin State, really? Pitt is like 3-1 now i think, Louisville and Cincy havent lost yet, so i know there is a decent amount of wins there. UConn blows, we should just let them go to the ACC. Fuck it

[JimBeam]

Notre Dame win was big but again I'm so jaded that I just can't feel comfortable until they are 13-0.

I can see them winning all the big games and then laying an egg against a BC or Wake Forest.

[cougarjake13]

I hope they can do it

I'm sick of the sec