NBA Off-Season Summer 2012

[Snacks]

So far the Nets have done everything they said they would do and possibly more to come.

I wasn't thrilled with the Joe Johnson trade because I thought it would prevent the Nets from trading for Howard and he currently has the highest contract in the league. But he is a great, all star shooting guard. DWill re-signs with the Nets and the Wallace re-signing was a great move as well.

Now they move on to signing Dwight. I keep hearing that the nets dont have the assets to get him. But then they say the current offer and I dont see how its not a good enough deal for ORL.

Lopez, Humphries, Brooks and 3 first round picks for Dwight is a great trade. They are getting 2 maybe 3 starters plus 3 first round picks? They keep saying the Lakers has a better offer. I understand Bynum is better but they also get Meta World Peace who is overpaid and looked like shit last year. Humphries is only 1 of 5 guys to avg 10+ points and 10+ rebounds the last 2 years. Brook Lopez is a 17 and 7 athletic center who is still you and Brooks has lots of upside as a shooting guard and was a rookie of the year candidate last year!

Even if they dont get Dwight they will have a good team but with Dwight they might have a chance to reach the finals next year!

[hanso]

Report: Lakers prepared to offer Metta World Peace, Andrew Bynum for Dwight Howard

This looks to good to pass on if true. But we are dealing with Howard who imo has become demented so be careful what you wish for.

[cougarjake13]

too good ?


no way you got 2 head cases who can't even make it work in a town where they frequently contend and win titles what the hell do u think they'll do in o town


better deal is new jerseys if for nothing else the 3 first rounders yes I understand those won't prob be lottery picks cause with that lineup nets will be good but they'll have 2 first round picks each for next 3 yrs

[underdog]

Do the Nets have the cap space for Howard? The only person who seems to think they do is Chris Broussard.

[Snacks]

They have the cap space because you can go over the cap but you have to pay a luxury tax. I dont know the levels for sure but I believe once you go over by a certain amount your luxury tax is equal to what you are over. So lets say you are over the cap by $20 million your luxury tax to the league is another $20 million. The Lakers and other teams have been doing this. There are some exceptions that dont count towards that cap number but Im not really sure how that all works.

[hanso]

Nets have a pair of 1st round picks the next 3 years? How did that happen?

[underdog]

They have the cap space because you can go over the cap but you have to pay a luxury tax. I dont know the levels for sure but I believe once you go over by a certain amount your luxury tax is equal to what you are over. So lets say you are over the cap by $20 million your luxury tax to the league is another $20 million. The Lakers and other teams have been doing this. There are some exceptions that dont count towards that cap number but Im not really sure how that all works.

I don't think you can go over the cap unless you're resigning your own players, or it's some sort of exception. I guess we'll just see how it plays out the next few days.

[Snacks]

I don't think you can go over the cap unless you're resigning your own players, or it's some sort of exception. I guess we'll just see how it plays out the next few days.

Yeah you might be right. I did hear about that, they have to do sign and trade deals or re-signing your own players to go over. Dwight wont be able to come to Brooklyn next year as a free agent b/c they wont be able to fit him but if they trade for him then they can give him a max deal as their own player. Very odd how this all seems to work but either way I dont care as long as they can still get him.

[cougarjake13]

Nets have a pair of 1st round picks the next 3 years? How did that happen?



yeh I was mixing up the nets side and Orlando's side of deal and forgot to add magics name in there

what I meant is the magic would have 2 first rounders each year of next three plus Lopez and other guys in deal all younger and potential better players then artest and Bynum

[underdog]

Yeah you might be right. I did hear about that, they have to do sign and trade deals or re-signing your own players to go over. Dwight wont be able to come to Brooklyn next year as a free agent b/c they wont be able to fit him but if they trade for him then they can give him a max deal as their own player. Very odd how this all seems to work but either way I dont care as long as they can still get him.

I hope he goes to the Nets, as well. I like having these powerhouse teams in the NBA. Makes it fun. Watching stars wallow in mediocrity is tough.

[cougarjake13]

great thing is if they keep doing it this way and not always go to same ole powerhouses like lakers and celtics we can have like 5-6 powerhouse teams and not just 1-2 dominant ones yeh it'll still suck for rest of league but no one system is perfect

[underdog]

great thing is if they keep doing it this way and not always go to same ole powerhouses like lakers and celtics we can have like 5-6 powerhouse teams and not just 1-2 dominant ones yeh it'll still suck for rest of league but no one system is perfect

But you still have teams come up through the draft. Look at OKC. It's not like they're a huge market. And the team you're with will always be able to pay more money for you than a new team.

[Snoogans]

I don't think you can go over the cap unless you're resigning your own players, or it's some sort of exception. I guess we'll just see how it plays out the next few days.

sign and trade is how you do it. the nets go over re signing hump and lopez and once they are on, they deal those contracts to orlando for DH. It would work but it would leave them with like 5 guys total

also, they could still tell Gerald Wallace to fuck off if they wanted to. he hasnt signed yet

[Snoogans]

I hope he goes to the Nets, as well. I like having these powerhouse teams in the NBA. Makes it fun. Watching stars wallow in mediocrity is tough.

i think this is gonna be a disaster. 9 months ago id be terrified. But I think Howard is a fuckin punk. The first time he has a bad couple games and gets ripped, he is gonna fold up like a shitty wallet. He is a faggot.

Joe Johnson is a good player but he has maybe the worst contract in NBA history. if he stays healthy that could work but i think they will really regret that deal in 2 years.

Plus they would have absolutely no bench, and no way to really fill it cause they will be locked at a hard 74 cap if they go over the tax cause they used the full midlevel exception on that euro dude.

They could get DH but i think it would actually end up counterproductive if they did

[Snacks]

If they get Dwight this would be what they have so far

C Dwight
PG DWill
SG Johnson
SF Wallace
PF Mirza Teletovic

Bench
Green
Reggie Evans
Tashawn Taylor 2nd round pick
Ilkan Karaman 2nd round pick
Tornike Shengelia 2nd round pick

From my understanding 2nd round picks contracts dont count against your salary for the 1st year or 2 or something like that. I heard that last year and thats why teams like Mia and LAL want 2nd rounders. I could be wrong but I thought I remember reading that.

Anyway the bench wont be deep but I do like Evans, Green and Taylor. They still have their $3 or $5 million exception left. Even so, a team with that great of a starting 5 will probably only play 7 or 8 deep. If the nets get Dwight they are instantly a fav to win the east with only Mia being better and maybe chicago if healthy.

[Snoogans]

If they get Dwight this would be what they have so far

C Dwight
PG DWill
SG Johnson
SF Wallace
PF Mirza Teletovic

Bench
Green
Reggie Evans
Tashawn Taylor 2nd round pick
Ilkan Karaman 2nd round pick
Tornike Shengelia 2nd round pick

From my understanding 2nd round picks contracts dont count against your salary for the 1st year or 2 or something like that. I heard that last year and thats why teams like Mia and LAL want 2nd rounders. I could be wrong but I thought I remember reading that.

Anyway the bench wont be deep but I do like Evans, Green and Taylor. They still have their $3 or $5 million exception left. Even so, a team with that great of a starting 5 will probably only play 7 or 8 deep. If the nets get Dwight they are instantly a fav to win the east with only Mia being better and maybe chicago if healthy.

from what i heard you already used your exception on that euro dude.

Even still, if you are paying lux tax, and you use your entire midlevel exception, it locks you into a 74 million HARD cap. The nets dont have room to really do anything

[Snacks]

Rumor floating around is the knicks are working on a sign and trade deal with the Suns for Nash. The hold up seems to be the Suns want Shumpert but the knicks dont want to include him in the deal.

So Lin is out of NY? I keep reading he is meeting with Hou but not much is written about him going back to NY. I heard if Nash doesn't go to the knicks they will then go after Kidd.

[Snoogans]

Rumor floating around is the knicks are working on a sign and trade deal with the Suns for Nash. The hold up seems to be the Suns want Shumpert but the knicks dont want to include him in the deal.

So Lin is out of NY? I keep reading he is meeting with Hou but not much is written about him going back to NY. I heard if Nash doesn't go to the knicks they will then go after Kidd.

we can match anything on lin. we are tryin to get nash here as like a tutor while we use nash to try to make a run.

Im pretty sure lin is coming back unless toronto gives him like 15 per year the last 2 years of the offer

[underdog]

i think this is gonna be a disaster. 9 months ago id be terrified. But I think Howard is a fuckin punk. The first time he has a bad couple games and gets ripped, he is gonna fold up like a shitty wallet. He is a faggot.

Joe Johnson is a good player but he has maybe the worst contract in NBA history. if he stays healthy that could work but i think they will really regret that deal in 2 years.

Plus they would have absolutely no bench, and no way to really fill it cause they will be locked at a hard 74 cap if they go over the tax cause they used the full midlevel exception on that euro dude.

They could get DH but i think it would actually end up counterproductive if they did

oh, I'm sure it will be a disaster. There's something seriously wrong with Dwight Howard mentally. And Deron Williams is not too far behind. I hope they somehow bring in Gilbert Arenas.

[underdog]

Rumor floating around is the knicks are working on a sign and trade deal with the Suns for Nash. The hold up seems to be the Suns want Shumpert but the knicks dont want to include him in the deal.

So Lin is out of NY? I keep reading he is meeting with Hou but not much is written about him going back to NY. I heard if Nash doesn't go to the knicks they will then go after Kidd.

The Raptors supposedly fucked the sign and trade the other day by signing Landry Fields, at least according to deadspin (http://deadspin.com/5923249/raptors-sign-landry-fields-solely-to-cockblock-the-knicks-on-steve-nash)

[Snoogans]

The Raptors supposedly fucked the sign and trade the other day by signing Landry Fields, at least according to deadspin (http://deadspin.com/5923249/raptors-sign-landry-fields-solely-to-cockblock-the-knicks-on-steve-nash)

they fucked it by making fields more money than phx wanted. they can still do it, but thats why phx wants shumpert now. Cause fields will be expensive

[Snacks]

I think Dwight has been out of his mind the last 2 years with wanting to be traded but lets not act like it has done anything to his play on the court. The guy showed up every game his entire career and nothing off the court has changed that. Any team would be happy to get him. Im more concerned with his injury b/c this is his first major injury and its to the back which could be a problem the rest of his career but Im not worried about his game at all!

[Snacks]

Tor offered Landry way too much. He had a nice rookie season but has been avg at best since. Now I understand Melo coming to the knicks hurt his shot opportunitys but he isnt worth $7 mill a year.

[Snacks]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/417/steve-nash

Adrian Wojnarowski is reporting the sign-and-trade deal that would send Steve Nash from the Suns to the Knicks for a package likely including Iman Shumpert, Toney Douglas and Dan Gadzuric is in the "critical stages."
Shumpert has been a sticking point in the deal, but it sounds like the Knicks have come to terms with letting him go, and it's also interesting that the Knicks may be getting Nash after parting ways with Mike D'Antoni last season. But it does sound like they are going to be able to offer Nash close to $30 million over three years, which puts them in the same ball park as the Raptors. And if given a choice and equal money, it sounds like Nash wants to go to New York.

$30 million is a lot for a pg who is about to turn 39 during the season but he is what the knicks need.

[Snoogans]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/417/steve-nash



$30 million is a lot for a pg who is about to turn 39 during the season but he is what the knicks need.

that feels like we are fleecin Phx. i love shump, but he had like 4 knee injuries last year, and this last one was BAD. Im not totally sure he is ever gonna be what he coulda been or sure he can go without gettin hurt. And TD and Gadzuric never even played

[Snacks]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19496657/report-rockets-to-offer-jeremy-lin-four-years-30-million

Lin to be offered 4 years $30 million?

I knicks salary number for this year could be $90 or $100 million? How? If thats true the nets could def afford Dwight.

[hanso]

oh, I'm sure it will be a disaster. There's something seriously wrong with Dwight Howard mentally. And Deron Williams is not too far behind. I hope they somehow bring in Gilbert Arenas.

Dwight Howard : The Nets are the only team on my list.

I kinda like the Nets this guy could ruin the team for years and have the same thing that the Magic had to deal with. He is not a consistant player and it's not from him being a diva.

[Snacks]

Dwight Howard : The Nets are the only team on my list.

I kinda like the Nets this guy could ruin the team for years and have the same thing that the Magic had to deal with. He is not a consistant player and it's not from him being a diva.

Not a consistent player? Hes been a beast his entire career. The guy has lead the league 4 out of the last 5 years in Rebs, 2 of the last 4 yeas in BLKs, won 3 straight defensive players of the year and for his career he has avg 18 pts and 13 rebs. He made Orl relevant again and 1 of the teams to beat in the est for the last 5 years even with minimal supporting cast and carried his team to the NBA finals in 2009. The only thing he cant do is shoot free throws.

[underdog]

I think Dwight has been out of his mind the last 2 years with wanting to be traded but lets not act like it has done anything to his play on the court. The guy showed up every game his entire career and nothing off the court has changed that. Any team would be happy to get him. Im more concerned with his injury b/c this is his first major injury and its to the back which could be a problem the rest of his career but Im not worried about his game at all!

He kind of quit on the team last year.

[underdog]

that feels like we are fleecin Phx. i love shump, but he had like 4 knee injuries last year, and this last one was BAD. Im not totally sure he is ever gonna be what he coulda been or sure he can go without gettin hurt. And TD and Gadzuric never even played

Toney Douglas started off last year ok, but then he just hit the bench.

[Snacks]

He kind of quit on the team last year.

How so? Even with all the back and forth with trade talks and the media attention he still showed up and played well every night til he got injured and had surgery.

[hanso]

He kind of quit on the team last year.

He can just as easliy do that with whatever team he lands on. Even 'the ONE team on his LIST' ( how do you have a list with just one? guy's a nutcase)

Don't know if he takes games off or just doesn't have it some nights. But it has happened more with each of the last 3 seasons maybe.

Maybe that's why he fought with J Nelson for outperforming him on many nights.

[underdog]

How so? Even with all the back and forth with trade talks and the media attention he still showed up and played well every night til he got injured and had surgery.

Supposedly, Orlando management thinks the surgery was unnecessary.

[cougarjake13]

But you still have teams come up through the draft. Look at OKC. It's not like they're a huge market. And the team you're with will always be able to pay more money for you than a new team.



absolutely

I'm just saying I'd rather him go to nets than lakers

like Paul to clippers I like better then if laker deal was allowed

[Snoogans]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19496657/report-rockets-to-offer-jeremy-lin-four-years-30-million

Lin to be offered 4 years $30 million?

I knicks salary number for this year could be $90 or $100 million? How? If thats true the nets could def afford Dwight.

its about the exception. If you are in the lux tax range, you arent allowed to use your full midlevel exception or it locks you into a 74 mill hard cap. We havent used ours at all. You guys already used yours, so adding dwight would lock you at 74. So long as we dont use ours, we can go as high as we want. If we use it, then we get locked at 74 also

[Snacks]

its about the exception. If you are in the lux tax range, you arent allowed to use your full midlevel exception or it locks you into a 74 mill hard cap. We havent used ours at all. You guys already used yours, so adding dwight would lock you at 74. So long as we dont use ours, we can go as high as we want. If we use it, then we get locked at 74 also

They used 1 of the 2. Right now they were going to use the $5 mid level on Mirza Teletovic but now they are renegotiating with him to make it the mini level $3 million exception.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/2012/mirza-teletovic

The Nets and Mirza Teletovic's agent are working to move from a full MLE ($5 million) to a mini-MLE ($3.09 million), which would preserve Brooklyn's cap flexibility.
This is important because it keeps Dwight Howard-to-the-Nets in play, as signing Teletovic for less money will mean the Nets avoid the $74.3 million hard. Had they hit that threshold, they would have been taken out of the Dwight race. Of course, none of this can become official until July 11, so things could change again between now and then. Teletovic is a great 3-point shooter, but will struggle in other areas of his game. Jul 4 - 5:47 PM

[Snoogans]

They used 1 of the 2. Right now they were going to use the $5 mid level on Mirza Teletovic but now they are renegotiating with him to make it the mini level $3 million exception.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/2012/mirza-teletovic

they are doing that because if they give him that 5 he locks them at 74. thats the reason you were lookin for. If you can get him at 3 it wont lock you, but it will give you a really hard time tryin to get 5 other dudes to take veterans mins

[Snacks]

they are doing that because if they give him that 5 he locks them at 74. thats the reason you were lookin for. If you can get him at 3 it wont lock you, but it will give you a really hard time tryin to get 5 other dudes to take veterans mins

Now I just read they might add a 3rd team to the trade with orl and wallace would be in that trade. I like wallace and dont know what i like better. Dwight or keep wallace, re-sign humphries and lopez? I think either way they should be fine but there is something about having that great dominate center.

[Snacks]

The more I read and hear about these trades for Dwight the more ridiculous it sounds. The Nets, Lakers, Dal and whoever else wants to trade for him should not offer Orl too much because he will walk.

As for the Nash deal I heard Nash really wants to go to NY but it comes down to the Suns if they are willing to do this sign and trade. Some think they wont to me that is stupid. Your not going to keep Nash so why not get something in return while also doing something to help a guy who has been your franchise for 5 or 6 years now?

[Snoogans]

The more I read and hear about these trades for Dwight the more ridiculous it sounds. The Nets, Lakers, Dal and whoever else wants to trade for him should not offer Orl too much because he will walk.

As for the Nash deal I heard Nash really wants to go to NY but it comes down to the Suns if they are willing to do this sign and trade. Some think they wont to me that is stupid. Your not going to keep Nash so why not get something in return while also doing something to help a guy who has been your franchise for 5 or 6 years now?

cause they can sign and trade him to toronto for a big ass exception and use that to clear space or get anyone they want

[hanso]

absolutely

I'm just saying I'd rather him go to nets than lakers

like Paul to clippers I like better then if laker deal was allowed

I'd rather him go to the Lakers, I don't like the team much, so if he blows it up wouldn't care.

[Snoogans]

fuuuuuck


apparently the LAKERS just got nash to agree to a sign and trade according to mark stein. this 2 hours after mark stein said the suns and knicks had agreed to a package

[cougarjake13]

I'd rather him go to the Lakers, I don't like the team much, so if he blows it up wouldn't care.


if that were to happen yeh but I can't imagine Howard n Bryant being bad

[HBox]

fuuuuuck


apparently the LAKERS just got nash to agree to a sign and trade according to mark stein. this 2 hours after mark stein said the suns and knicks had agreed to a package

Yeah, ESPN has been pretty shitty so far this off season. (http://deadspin.com/5923369/deron-williams-will-resign-with-the-brookyln-nets-for-100-million)

Really, really shitty. (http://deadspin.com/5923395/congratulations-you-are-chris-broussards-source)

[Snoogans]

Yeah, ESPN has been pretty shitty so far this off season. (http://deadspin.com/5923369/deron-williams-will-resign-with-the-brookyln-nets-for-100-million)

Really, really shitty. (http://deadspin.com/5923395/congratulations-you-are-chris-broussards-source)

yea awesome. i was dyin at that shit


so apparently a trade exception for 8 million dollars was worth more to phx than Shumpert, Toney Douglas and Dan Gadzuric.

How the fuck could anyone be a suns fan? I know they were good for a long time but that whole time they were selling first round picks. They would still be good if they werent so fuckin cheap. Now they are just completely sinkin themselves into the shitter just for some cash. MAYBE YOU SHOULDNT HAVE GIVEN 8 MILL A YEAR TO CHANNING FRYE YOU ASS CLOWNS

[HBox]

Chris Broussard just tweeted that Michael Jordan is retiring to pursue a baseball career.

[Snacks]

I dont understand the trade to LA. Yes I like the money saving better then the players the knicks were offering but why would you trade him in conf and help a team like the Lakers when you could have shipped him out to NY and played him less times and with less of a chance of the trade biting you in the ass?

So now the knicks have to match/over pay for Lin not knowing how good he really is. Yes Lin had a great month of basketball but he is not a $30 million players after a 1 month sample. The only thing that makes him worth it is the marketing angle. But if his contract is back loaded as some have said how could the knicks match it? Didnt they say they couldnt fit/match back loaded contract?

[Snoogans]

I dont understand the trade to LA. Yes I like the money saving better then the players the knicks were offering but why would you trade him in conf and help a team like the Lakers when you could have shipped him out to NY and played him less times and with less of a chance of the trade biting you in the ass?

So now the knicks have to match/over pay for Lin not knowing how good he really is. Yes Lin had a great month of basketball but he is not a $30 million players after a 1 month sample. The only thing that makes him worth it is the marketing angle. But if his contract is back loaded as some have said how could the knicks match it? Didnt they say they couldnt fit/match back loaded contract?

they could. they said they dont know yet if they would. but that was also when steve nash was basically here. You almost cant let him go now

[Snacks]

Knicks sign Jason Kidd.

Maybe now they will not waste $30 to $40 million on Lin.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/303/jason-kidd

In another shocking turn of events this week, Jason Kidd will not be returning to the Mavericks, but has instead agreed to a multiyear deal with the Knicks.
He's 39 years old, but this is a great get by the Knicks, who were also said to be in heavy talks with Raymond Felton after missing out on Steve Nash. Kidd's age should also work in favor of Jeremy Lin, as he should still get plenty of minutes, assuming the Knicks match his qualifying offer. We're guessing Kidd will come off the bench for now, but the duo might have a training camp battle to determine who will be named the starter. We're assuming this takes Felton off the table for New York, unless something crazy happens and they decide to let Lin walk. But that just doesn't seem possible at this point.

[Snoogans]

i bet you they pay lin. Let him learn from kidd for 2 years then try to deal one of the exp deals to move space

[keithy_19]

Chris Broussard just tweeted that Michael Jordan is retiring to pursue a baseball career.

I giggled.

[hanso]

Ray Allen To Choose Between Heat, Clippers, According To Report

It looks like Ray Allen will indeed be on a new team next season. While the Boston Celtics remain a possibility, Allen's top two choices are the Miami Heat and Los Angeles Clippers, according to ESPN's Brian Windhorst.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/7/5/3139005/ray-allen-heat-clippers-nba-free-agency-2012

Let's see if this story is a fail.

[underdog]

Ray Allen To Choose Between Heat, Clippers, According To Report

It looks like Ray Allen will indeed be on a new team next season. While the Boston Celtics remain a possibility, Allen's top two choices are the Miami Heat and Los Angeles Clippers, according to ESPN's Brian Windhorst.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/7/5/3139005/ray-allen-heat-clippers-nba-free-agency-2012

Let's see if this story is a fail.

My favorite part of this story is that Chris Broussard guaranteed that the Celtics were offering double ($12mil) and that he was definitely going back there.

[hanso]

My favorite part of this story is that Chris Broussard guaranteed that the Celtics were offering double ($12mil) and that he was definitely going back there.

He might, he spent Thu overnight and maybe some Fri with Mia. If playing time and a ring is his thing could happen, less cash though.

They say he is taking his time to decide.

[cougarjake13]

must not have been that long a wait as Allen has chosen the heat

[Snoogans]

I wanna come on here and call ray allen a faggot. He is a pussy for goin to Miami and tryin to tag along for another title when he should just fuckin retire. He has a ring, so it isnt for that.


But then I just think. If I lived in fuckin boston, and had a chance to go do the same job and be in south beach, id probably fuckin do it

[hanso]

must not have been that long a wait as Allen has chosen the heat

Sweet! You broke the news for me.

[underdog]

I wanna come on here and call ray allen a faggot. He is a pussy for goin to Miami and tryin to tag along for another title when he should just fuckin retire. He has a ring, so it isnt for that.


But then I just think. If I lived in fuckin boston, and had a chance to go do the same job and be in south beach, id probably fuckin do it

Yeah, agreed.

[Snacks]

Its getting close to being a done deal. I love the idea of Dwight on the nets with Wallace, DWill and Johnson but the deal seems nuts for everyone involved especially when Dwight isnt re-signing with orlando and only wants to go to the nets. orl is getting a lot and should make the deal already. I hope there is some kind of gurantee about Dwights back before anything gets done.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1041/dwight-howard

Details of a potential Dwight Howard trade continue to emerge -- in the latest version, the Nets would land Howard in a deal involving 10+ players and four teams.
Here is the complicated breakdown by Yahoo! Sports: "Howard, Jason Richardson and Earl Clark would be sent to Brooklyn, and the Magic would receive the Nets' Brook Lopez, Damion James, Sheldon Williams, Cleveland's Luke Walton and three future first-round picks ... Cleveland would receive Orlando's Quentin Richardson, Brooklyn's Sundiata Gaines, Kris Humphries (on a one-year guaranteed deal), a first-round pick and $3 million from the Nets. Brooklyn also would send Brooks to a fourth team to get them an additional first-round pick to send to the Magic." The deal is evolving hourly, so follow the link for more details and check back soon -- there is serious momentum building and a deal could be completed as soon as Monday. Jul 9 - 2:27 PM

[A.J.]

I wanna come on here and call ray allen a faggot. He is a pussy for goin to Miami and tryin to tag along for another title when he should just fuckin retire. He has a ring, so it isnt for that.


But then I just think. If I lived in fuckin boston, and had a chance to go do the same job and be in south beach, id probably fuckin do it

Meh, I'm not that disappointed. I loved Ray since he was at UCONN and him coming to Boston to help bring another title there was icing on the cake.

That said, I thought he was the most expendable of the 3. Even last year, I thought they should trade him while they could still get some value for him.

[underdog]

Chris Broussard is reporting that Dwight Howard wants to play for the Nets.

[Snoogans]

Chris Broussard is reporting that Dwight Howard wants to play for the Nets.

he didnt get that from dwight though. thats what his sources are tellin him.

i cant wait for them to get howard. they are sayin its some retarded 14 player 3 way deal with cleveland. I cant wait til the 59th game of the year when everyone is exhausted from playin 43 min a night and the 3 guys they have on the bench are gettin lit up

[Snoogans]

Also, i find it so fuckin funny that DAN GILBERT of all people is the one tryin to help facilitate the nets gettin DH away from orlando.

According to reports, its so cleveland can land the huge prize that is the Hump

[A.J.]

Also, i find it so fuckin funny that DAN GILBERT of all people is the one tryin to help facilitate the nets gettin DH away from orlando.

According to reports, its so cleveland can land the huge prize that is the Hump

What Hump?

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews42/young%20frankenstein%20blu-ray/large/large%20young%20frankenstein%20blu-rayx3.jpg

[Kevin]

What Hump?

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews42/young%20frankenstein%20blu-ray/large/large%20young%20frankenstein%20blu-rayx3.jpg

Mr Kardashian.

The Nets broadcasters call him the hump.. As when he blocked a shot they would say, HE COULD NOT GET OVER THE HUMP!

[cougarjake13]

Mr Kardashian.

The Nets broadcasters call him the hump.. As when he blocked a shot they would say, HE COULD NOT GET OVER THE HUMP!

that's fucking retardedly gay

[Snoogans]

from espn, so take that into account:

According to sources the Nets would receive Howard, Jason Richardson, Chris Duhon and Earl Clark in the proposed deal. The Magic would get Brook Lopez, Luke Walton, Damion James, Shelden Williams, Armon Johnson and three first-round picks -- two from the Nets and a lottery protected first from the Clippers. The Cavs would get Kris Humphries, Quentin Richardson, Sundiata Gaines, a first round pick from the Nets and three million in cash. The Clippers would receive MarShon Brooks.

[Snacks]

he didnt get that from dwight though. thats what his sources are tellin him.

i cant wait for them to get howard. they are sayin its some retarded 14 player 3 way deal with cleveland. I cant wait til the 59th game of the year when everyone is exhausted from playin 43 min a night and the 3 guys they have on the bench are gettin lit up

Dont be bitter because the Nets will have the better team in NY!!!

Its actually 4 teams now, the LAC are involved. Im so torn by this trade. I want Dwight but we might be better keeping Lopez, Hump, Brooks and our 3 first round picks. But then again you never know and Dwight could be what put them over the top for a title.

[Snacks]

from espn, so take that into account:

According to sources the Nets would receive Howard, Jason Richardson, Chris Duhon and Earl Clark in the proposed deal. The Magic would get Brook Lopez, Luke Walton, Damion James, Shelden Williams, Armon Johnson and three first-round picks -- two from the Nets and a lottery protected first from the Clippers. The Cavs would get Kris Humphries, Quentin Richardson, Sundiata Gaines, a first round pick from the Nets and three million in cash. The Clippers would receive MarShon Brooks.

Their sources are spot on. They are all over twitter and report back 5 mins after reading the tweets from their sources.

The media must hate losing control to people tweeting themselves and giving their news directly to people and not allowing the media to break the news!

fuck the media:tongue:

[hanso]

Chris Broussard is reporting that Dwight Howard wants to play for the Nets.

Well then He will go to the worst team out there as payback for the Magic.


I'm happy for the Heat getting Allen, they play to a next level when someone knocks down threes and James, Wade and Bosh are in the game healthy. Like the last game Vs OKC I got that on dvr and watch some now and then. Just stoked it all happened.

7 more to go? I keed let's not start that crap again.

[A.J.]

Mr Kardashian.

The Nets broadcasters call him the hump.. As when he blocked a shot they would say, HE COULD NOT GET OVER THE HUMP!

Oh literal Kevin.... :tongue:

On the other hand: "But apparently Kim could!"

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/popcrush.com/files/2012/05/Kim-Kardashian-Kanye-West.jpg

[hanso]

Heat get Rashard Lewis.

[Kevin]

Rashard Lewis is hot garbage.

[cougarjake13]

Heat get Rashard Lewis.



is he even a decent player anymore ? or is he just the new juwan Howard?

[hanso]

# 8 all time 3pts still puts up good numbers vs minutes.

[cougarjake13]

where he ranks all time is irrelevant to whether or not he's still good
but ur second point may be

[Snacks]

his numbers vs mins are not good.

last year (2011/12) 7.8 points per game in 26 mins
2010/11 11 points per game 32 mins
2009/10 12 points per game 32 mins

Those are starter mins and his numbers are avg and have gone down every year for the last 7 years.

[Snacks]

Now Orlando wants as many as 5 first round picks along with the other players in the trade plus they want the nets to take on 2 other shitty contracts? At this point the Nets should walk away. Orlando wants and expects way too much in return for a guy they will lose anyway. They are going to far and continue to ask for more and more. I hope in the end Orlando gets fucked!

[cougarjake13]

if it keeps up this way no deal will get made and they'll lose him for nothing

[HBox]

For as bad and crazy as Dwight Howard has acted, the Magic have handled this situation about as poorly as they could too.

[cougarjake13]

For as bad and crazy as Dwight Howard has acted, the Magic have handled this situation about as poorly as they could too.



Howard's worse but I agree

[hanso]

his numbers vs mins are not good.

last year (2011/12) 7.8 points per game in 26 mins
2010/11 11 points per game 32 mins
2009/10 12 points per game 32 mins

Those are starter mins and his numbers are avg and have gone down every year for the last 7 years.

Well yeah more min he had more points he wasn't below double digits untill last season which was screwed up with a trade / buyout.

And I used Camby as a rule...........ZING!!

Also I'm glad Camby fell out with Mia.

[hanso]

Now Orlando wants as many as 5 first round picks along with the other players in the trade plus they want the nets to take on 2 other shitty contracts? At this point the Nets should walk away. Orlando wants and expects way too much in return for a guy they will lose anyway. They are going to far and continue to ask for more and more. I hope in the end Orlando gets fucked!

Thought the deal was off and the Nets are going foward to try a sign and trade with Lopez.

I would like to see Lopez on the Magic a good player with a good head.

Guy from s sport hoop . com? on yaho! radio said magic will not trade howard to nets, and dropped a truth bomb that howard will have to expand his list adding Atl. his hometown what a big line up that would be.

[hanso]

where he ranks all time is irrelevant to whether or not he's still good
but ur second point may be

He forgot how to hit threes?

[underdog]

For as bad and crazy as Dwight Howard has acted, the Magic have handled this situation about as poorly as they could too.

Florida makes everything terrible.

[hanso]

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Fez should be a Steve Nash / Lakers fan after this.

[keithy_19]

Florida makes everything terrible.

http://img2-3.timeinc.net/people/i/2011/news/110613/casey-anthony-3-300.jpg

I think she's got something going for her.

[keithy_19]

Florida makes everything terrible.

http://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/cards/collection/chadhang.jpg

[Crossweird]

keithy, I think you mean

http://nbcsportsmedia4.msnbc.com/j/apmegasports/200909201447532784303-pf.standard.jpg

[cougarjake13]

He forgot how to hit threes?



don't know don't watch him much but if he was avg 50% career but now he's only 35% his old stats are irrelevant to how good he may be now

[hanso]

don't know don't watch him much but if he was avg 50% career but now he's only 35% his old stats are irrelevant to how good he may be now

OK I see your point, not that I side with it mind you. Seems to me many / most older long shooting players like this can still pop from long distance.

Now I hear he is 5th overall.

[led37zep]

Thought we all knew Oregon was going to dominate this year.

[Snoogans]

Thought we all knew Oregon was going to dominate this year.

welcome back. i think you are in the wrong thread

[Snacks]

It seems Howard will be going to the Lakers now. I dont see why Orl would take this trade when they wont be getting Bynum. Orl is so stupid they would rather take 4 or 5 1st round picks and some salary relief over what the nets offered which was 3 or 4 1st round picks and Lopez along with salary relief?!

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1041/dwight-howard

Alex Kennedy of Hoopsworld.com reports that the Magic are considering a trade sending Dwight Howard to the Lakers in exchange for a package of players, draft picks and salary cap relief, while Andrew Bynum would land with the Cavaliers.
This is still firmly in the 'rumor' stage, but it's intriguing since the Cavs have a ton of draft picks stockpiled, and Bynum apparently included them on his "short list" of places he'd agree to an extension. Devin Ebanks is reportedly delaying signing his contract in case he's included in a trade, but otherwise there are no substantive details to report. Jul 14 - 6:40 PM

[Kevin]

It seems Howard will be going to the Lakers now. I dont see why Orl would take this trade when they wont be getting Bynum. Orl is so stupid they would rather take 4 or 5 1st round picks and some salary relief over what the nets offered which was 3 or 4 1st round picks and Lopez along with salary relief?!

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1041/dwight-howard

Wake me up when this sissy boy faggot gets traded.

This is worse than the Arod to Bos shit back in 04.

[underdog]

It seems Howard will be going to the Lakers now. I dont see why Orl would take this trade when they wont be getting Bynum. Orl is so stupid they would rather take 4 or 5 1st round picks and some salary relief over what the nets offered which was 3 or 4 1st round picks and Lopez along with salary relief?!

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1041/dwight-howard

:lol::lol::lol:

Why would CLEVELAND be on Bynum's short list of teams he'd sign an extension with? that's fucking amazing. He really hates the spotlight, apparently. What are the other teams on that list? Minnesota? Charlotte?

[hanso]

Bynum wanted to go to Houston if I remember right.

The main players are headcases so don't care where they go in the end.

[Snoogans]

:lol::lol::lol:

Why would CLEVELAND be on Bynum's short list of teams he'd sign an extension with? that's fucking amazing. He really hates the spotlight, apparently. What are the other teams on that list? Minnesota? Charlotte?

i just thought the same fuckin thing. He said no to ORLANDO but yes to fuckin cleveland?

[Snacks]

:lol::lol::lol:

Why would CLEVELAND be on Bynum's short list of teams he'd sign an extension with? that's fucking amazing. He really hates the spotlight, apparently. What are the other teams on that list? Minnesota? Charlotte?

True but good for Clev or some other small market teams, its nice to see someone want to play there. I still think the Nets offer was better. I don't see how this trade is better for Orl especially without them getting Bynum? Even if they get 7 1st round picks from clev and the Lakers they will most likely be late round picks similar to what the nets picks would have been. I think orl wants to fuck Howard and that's why they didn't do it. They don't want him to go where he wants but he still holds all the cards. No one (in their right mind) will do any of these mega trades without the commitment that he will sign long term. So all he has to do is say no to a contract and orl gets nothing.

[spoon]

i think it's HILARIOUS that the Knicks are upset about Houston putting in a legal bid on their player

[Snoogans]

i think it's HILARIOUS that the Knicks are upset about Houston putting in a legal bid on their player

thats not what they are upset about. they are upset that lin went to vegas to renegotiate the deal and didnt tell them he was there or come by and see the team. we had asked him to come to vegas and he said he couldnt and then did and didnt tell us.

in terms of being pissed at the deal, they arent pissed at houston persay, just pissed that they got fucked

[Snacks]

It seems like the knicks wont match the Lin offer now that they traded for Felton.

[spoon]

it's being reported all over they are pissed off bc of the offer

and to me it feels like if NY got made someone signed their free agent, even if the NBA sort of has a cap

and if they signed him/offered him market value, which is much higher than they obviously want, then they wouldn't be in this situation

could have locked him up during the season I'm sure too, especially when injured still

[Snoogans]

It seems like the knicks wont match the Lin offer now that they traded for Felton.

they are actually sayin the knicks might match and try to trade lin and felton with others in january to the clippers for CP3

[mdr55]

I vow to not follow the Nets since leaving NJ but damn I'm going to check out the games if I can get tickets.

[hanso]

I think it's good on Orl's part not to want a headcase player who will only play out the last year due. And they won't get nothing in return should a deal not go down. They will have a headcase player who will only play out the last year due.

[epo]

Now being reported nationally: Knicks owner = crying baby. (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/jeremy-lin-knicks-james-dolan-betrayed-deceived-161820611--nba.html)

[Snoogans]

Now being reported nationally: Knicks owner = crying baby. (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/jeremy-lin-knicks-james-dolan-betrayed-deceived-161820611--nba.html)

i wonder if the same person reporting this is the one who said we would match anything up to a billion. Dolan is an ass. he has done alot of jackass things. But he doesnt give a shit about stuff like this. He didnt match the deal cause it was a shitty deal that cost way to much. Period.

I love how people act like they know what fuckin dolan is doing when Dolan doesnt even know what the fuck he is doing

[underdog]

i wonder if the same person reporting this is the one who said we would match anything up to a billion. Dolan is an ass. he has done alot of jackass things. But he doesnt give a shit about stuff like this. He didnt match the deal cause it was a shitty deal that cost way to much. Period.

I love how people act like they know what fuckin dolan is doing when Dolan doesnt even know what the fuck he is doing

I like how Dolan finally makes a smart financial decision and he's getting crucified. It's awesome.

[Snoogans]

I like how Dolan finally makes a smart financial decision and he's getting crucified. It's awesome.

its gettin me pissed. I see the thing on deadspin, is he a dick or a schmuck or whatever. I dont get it. Even if that is why. Lets say, somehow these people actually know whats in james dolans head and thats why he didnt match.

WHO CARES. IT WAS THE RIGHT MOVE. Lin isnt worth the last year of that deal if we had fuckin NO TAX.

Another thing is everyone comparing felton to lin sayin lin woulda been better over the 3 years. Yea, maybe, but maybe not. Regardless, FELTON IS 10 MILL OVER 3 YEARS. Even if he is onluy 80% as good as lin, its still a better deal. Plus Lin here wouldnt have worked like it will in houston. They are gonna build the team for him. Run it his way. He woulda been the same fuckin shit here as felton will prob be unless he locks himself in a car and eats himself to death like Pizza the Hut.

[Judge Smails]

http://i.minus.com/iMwgDXADHwS4c.jpg

[Snoogans]

yea, that shit is fuckin pathetic. I have no ill will toward lin. Good for him. He gets paid and he will get to be the man and run it his way. Its smart on his part i think. I cant excuse those fans.

But he aint worth that money. So the knicks, FINALLY, did the smart thing

[Snoogans]

yea boom:
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[Snacks]

Those knocks fans that are bashing Lin and Dolan are morons esepcially all the racist shit for no reason. It was a smart move by both. Lin got as much as he could which he should have. Who knows if he will be any good? He had 26 games and towards the end his scoring and asst went down. Dolan was smart because he knows he isnt worth $14 million in year 3 while raising their tax to $45 million due to that price.

The only argument I agree with against Dolan and the Knicks is they could have matched the offer, kept him for 2 years and see how it worked out. He could have been traded year 3 even with that high number because he would be an expiring contract and teams love to trade for expiring contracts no matter the price.

[hanso]

That's some move on Houston's part, clear out players then use the new CBA as leverage. A slow build so far, they did it to make room for Howard from what was reported.

[Snoogans]

just when i thought Dwight Howard couldnt come off as a bigger faggot. they are sayin the reason he doesnt wanna sign an ext in LA with the Lakers is ONLY because he doesnt want people to compare him to shaq anymore


if thats fuckin true, just retire. What a fuckin pussy

[spoon]

Those knocks fans that are bashing Lin and Dolan are morons esepcially all the racist shit for no reason. It was a smart move by both. Lin got as much as he could which he should have. Who knows if he will be any good? He had 26 games and towards the end his scoring and asst went down. Dolan was smart because he knows he isnt worth $14 million in year 3 while raising their tax to $45 million due to that price.

The only argument I agree with against Dolan and the Knicks is they could have matched the offer, kept him for 2 years and see how it worked out. He could have been traded year 3 even with that high number because he would be an expiring contract and teams love to trade for expiring contracts no matter the price.

lets not forget that these fans are not only being racists asshole with no sense of why someone would take the best offer, but how the knicks got Melo and Amare. Were they both pieces of shit for wanting to be moved/trades (Melo) and Amare the same for taking the NYK contract in free agency vs Phoenix? Come on you fucking hypocrites! They couldn't sound more idiotic in those fb posts, and the spelling/grammar was priceless.

[Snoogans]

lets not forget that these fans are not only being racists asshole with no sense of why someone would take the best offer, but how the knicks got Melo and Amare. Were they both pieces of shit for wanting to be moved/trades (Melo) and Amare the same for taking the NYK contract in free agency vs Phoenix? Come on you fucking hypocrites! They couldn't sound more idiotic in those fb posts, and the spelling/grammar was priceless.
though i see your point, on amare its not right. phoenix didnt offer him much because he isnt insurable. He was leaving Phx no matter what, they only offered him a medium deal. No one even thought the knicks were gonna sign him til the day they did basically. Even now, his contract is uninsured. Phx actually asked us to do the sign and trade deal so they could get a cap exemption and we did it for amare also so he could get an extra year

[epo]

just when i thought Dwight Howard couldnt come off as a bigger faggot. they are sayin the reason he doesnt wanna sign an ext in LA with the Lakers is ONLY because he doesnt want people to compare him to shaq anymore


if thats fuckin true, just retire. What a fuckin pussy

What comparison? Shaq was a winner.

[underdog]

What comparison? Shaq was a winner.

Shaq won his first championship at 28. Howard is 26.

[cougarjake13]

Shaq won his first championship at 28. Howard is 26.



after leadIng the magic to a finals and losing then going to the lakers

Howard has said he doesn't wanna follow shaqs path
he's already took the superman nickname and played in o town

[Snacks]

after leadIng the magic to a finals and losing then going to the lakers

Howard has said he doesn't wanna follow shaqs path
he's already took the superman nickname and played in o town

and he has also lead the magic to the finals 1 time like shaq and lost like shaq. if he goes to LAL and wins a title with kobe he will be a mirror image.

[Earlshog]

Those knocks fans that are bashing Lin and Dolan are morons esepcially all the racist shit for no reason. It was a smart move by both. Lin got as much as he could which he should have. Who knows if he will be any good? He had 26 games and towards the end his scoring and asst went down. Dolan was smart because he knows he isnt worth $14 million in year 3 while raising their tax to $45 million due to that price.

The only argument I agree with against Dolan and the Knicks is they could have matched the offer, kept him for 2 years and see how it worked out. He could have been traded year 3 even with that high number because he would be an expiring contract and teams love to trade for expiring contracts no matter the price.

Now all of sudden they decide it's time to tighten things up and be finically prudent. Please, they should have matched. The Knicks can't bring in an outside player of his potential value. Dude fell into your lap, a miracle of miracles and you dick it up. Worst case if he sucks, you eat it, compared to some of the deals they have paid out the past 10 or so years this is peanuts. I can see letting him go if he would fuck up your cap or be a hindrance to signing another player, however that doesn't apply in this instance. As snacks said worst case scenario you dump that last year for another teams bum or use the expiring contract as trade leverage.

This move reeks of Dolans ego, and / or Melo not wanting Lin on the team (aka the inmates running the asylum). I guess the good news is it wasn't Isaiah Tomas telling Dolan to pass on Lin (at least we haven't heard that yet, ha-ha)

[A.J.]

This move reeks of Dolans ego

It's funny that he has an ego when everything he has done since he owned the team has been a failure.

[Earlshog]

It's funny that he has an ego when everything he has done since he owned the team has been a failure.

What paying Larry Brown 60 mil to coach one season (which they finished 30 games under .500) isn't considered a success.

[Snoogans]

Now all of sudden they decide it's time to tighten things up and be finically prudent. Please, they should have matched. The Knicks can't bring in an outside player of his potential value. Dude fell into your lap, a miracle of miracles and you dick it up. Worst case if he sucks, you eat it, compared to some of the deals they have paid out the past 10 or so years this is peanuts. I can see letting him go if he would fuck up your cap or be a hindrance to signing another player, however that doesn't apply in this instance. As snacks said worst case scenario you dump that last year for another teams bum or use the expiring contract as trade leverage.

This move reeks of Dolans ego, and / or Melo not wanting Lin on the team (aka the inmates running the asylum). I guess the good news is it wasn't Isaiah Tomas telling Dolan to pass on Lin (at least we haven't heard that yet, ha-ha)

what miracle? Cant people please stop acting like we were gonna have anything near the guy that played under D'Antoni. He woulda been pretty good, thats it. thats not worth that deal when you can get other guys to come in and run the offense pretty good for WAY less.

Also, how quickly everyone forgets that the guy only made it through 25 games. After like 10 games they were talkin how beat up he was and how he had a sore this and sore that and sore knee that eventually went. We dont even know if this kid can PLAY a whole season, nevermind be good for one

[underdog]

Now all of sudden they decide it's time to tighten things up and be finically prudent. Please, they should have matched. The Knicks can't bring in an outside player of his potential value. Dude fell into your lap, a miracle of miracles and you dick it up. Worst case if he sucks, you eat it, compared to some of the deals they have paid out the past 10 or so years this is peanuts. I can see letting him go if he would fuck up your cap or be a hindrance to signing another player, however that doesn't apply in this instance. As snacks said worst case scenario you dump that last year for another teams bum or use the expiring contract as trade leverage.

This move reeks of Dolans ego, and / or Melo not wanting Lin on the team (aka the inmates running the asylum). I guess the good news is it wasn't Isaiah Tomas telling Dolan to pass on Lin (at least we haven't heard that yet, ha-ha)

Trading him in that last year wouldn't have been easy. Plus, they wouldn't have done it before the season, which means they would have been paying all the luxury tax money (tens of millions of dollars).

And it's not like the Knicks would have made more money from merchandising if he stayed with the Knicks.

[underdog]

what miracle? Cant people please stop acting like we were gonna have anything near the guy that played under D'Antoni. He woulda been pretty good, thats it. thats not worth that deal when you can get other guys to come in and run the offense pretty good for WAY less.

Also, how quickly everyone forgets that the guy only made it through 25 games. After like 10 games they were talkin how beat up he was and how he had a sore this and sore that and sore knee that eventually went. We dont even know if this kid can PLAY a whole season, nevermind be good for one

Everyone seems to forget the amount of turnovers he had, too.

[Earlshog]

what miracle? Cant people please stop acting like we were gonna have anything near the guy that played under D'Antoni. He woulda been pretty good, thats it. thats not worth that deal when you can get other guys to come in and run the offense pretty good for WAY less.

Also, how quickly everyone forgets that the guy only made it through 25 games. After like 10 games they were talkin how beat up he was and how he had a sore this and sore that and sore knee that eventually went. We dont even know if this kid can PLAY a whole season, nevermind be good for one

The miracle was pulling a 23 year old above average point guard off the scrap heap. How many times does that happen? I agree with you chances are he wouldn't have been as good as was playing for D'Antoni, he was still better than what the Knicks will have running the point for the next few seasons. I understand you can get lesser guys to run it for lessmoney, but since when are the Knicks so frugal? Why not have the best guy run it?

As far as durability we saw lots of players have trouble last year with the crazy strike season schedule. Lin was obviously not conditioned to step in and play 35 minutes a night. Honestly do you really think the Knicks who have signed injury risks like Amare, Eddie Curry, etc are worried about him missing some time due to injury?

[Snoogans]

Everyone seems to forget the amount of turnovers he had, too.

and i was the first one goin nuts for the kid. His turnovers were a bit inflated by the fact that the D'ope made him play 500 min a night, but the kid also would kinda panic. Especially once woodson was the coach and it was a normal offense.

i still believe in Lin and think is he gonna end up a good player. But you dont pay 15 mill one year for a good player

[Snoogans]

Trading him in that last year wouldn't have been easy. Plus, they wouldn't have done it before the season, which means they would have been paying all the luxury tax money (tens of millions of dollars).

And it's not like the Knicks would have made more money from merchandising if he stayed with the Knicks.

also, to trade a guy means you take back money usually. So even if it wasnt lin, they woulda had to commit to locking themselves into that tax regardless

as for merch, yea its split 30 ways so they are gonna get lin money anyway. but lets be honest, wayyyy more lin shit woulda sold in NY than it will in shitty Houston. esp once the rockets are fuckin 5-15

[Snoogans]

The miracle was pulling a 23 year old above average point guard off the scrap heap. How many times does that happen? I agree with you chances are he wouldn't have been as good as was playing for D'Antoni, he was still better than what the Knicks will have running the point for the next few seasons. I understand you can get lesser guys to run it for lessmoney, but since when are the Knicks so frugal? Why not have the best guy run it?

As far as durability we saw lots of players have trouble last year with the crazy strike season schedule. Lin was obviously not conditioned to step in and play 35 minutes a night. Honestly do you really think the Knicks who have signed injury risks like Amare, Eddie Curry, etc are worried about him missing some time due to injury?

he isnt the best guy to run it though. You cant look at lin as the guy who lit up those couple weeks. So long as felton isnt so fat he cant play, which in NY i dont think will be the case, he is better for this type of offense than Lin would be. Plus, maybe its not about being frugal. Maybe its knowing you might need that money to bring in more help later. If we matched Lin, we are LOCKED to this exact roster for 3 years.

And im not sayin lin is just gonna get hurt. He is gonna get beat up. Last year, they were fuckin bangin him all over the place. Thats only gonna happen more this year with that contract mark on his head and the fact that other players are starting to get pissed that they wont shut the fuck up about a guy who hasnt even started 30 games yet.

he is a target now. Look what happened last time a team decided to make lin a target? Mario Chalmers is STILL fuckin laughing

[Earlshog]

Trading him in that last year wouldn't have been easy. Plus, they wouldn't have done it before the season, which means they would have been paying all the luxury tax money (tens of millions of dollars).

And it's not like the Knicks would have made more money from merchandising if he stayed with the Knicks.

The luxury tax is non consequential for the Knicks, the only concern they have with money is how it pertains to the salary cap, this wouldn't have made an impact on that.

It's not only merchandising with a guy like Lin, not bad to tap into a market of say 1.3 billion. Lin on the floor of MSG is lightning in a bottle, especially in 2012. David Stern probably wants to hang himself. Well I am sure he would shoot Dolan first.

[underdog]

The luxury tax is non consequential for the Knicks, the only concern they have with money is how it pertains to the salary cap, this wouldn't have made an impact on that.

It's not only merchandising with a guy like Lin, not bad to tap into a market of say 1.3 billion. Lin on the floor of MSG is lightning in a bottle, especially in 2012. David Stern probably wants to hang himself. Well I am sure he would shoot Dolan first.

The Knicks sell out every home game. The merchandising is split evenly among all the teams in the NBA.

[Earlshog]

he isnt the best guy to run it though. You cant look at lin as the guy who lit up those couple weeks. So long as felton isnt so fat he cant play, which in NY i dont think will be the case, he is better for this type of offense than Lin would be. Plus, maybe its not about being frugal. Maybe its knowing you might need that money to bring in more help later. If we matched Lin, we are LOCKED to this exact roster for 3 years.

And im not sayin lin is just gonna get hurt. He is gonna get beat up. Last year, they were fuckin bangin him all over the place. Thats only gonna happen more this year with that contract mark on his head and the fact that other players are starting to get pissed that they wont shut the fuck up about a guy who hasnt even started 30 games yet.

he is a target now. Look what happened last time a team decided to make lin a target? Mario Chalmers is STILL fuckin laughing

Felton is a gamble, a gamble without the huge upside of a Lin gamble. You are missing my point on the money, they can't use that money to bring in any kind of comparable help later due to the constraints of the salary cap. They are locked into this roster anyway, wouldn't you rather have Lin as part of it?

If durability is a factor (which I wouldn't concede after such a small sample) play him less, have Kidd and Felton spell him, especially in less meaningful minutes.

[Earlshog]

The Knicks sell out every home game. The merchandising is split evenly among all the teams in the NBA.

I can assure you they're not automatically sold out every game, this is not 1993, and believe me when they aren't playing well the "announced crowd" isn't close to the number in the arena.

Is the ad revenue on MSG split evenly? The amount the Knicks can charge WFAN or ESPN to broadcast split evenly? Etc, etc.

[Snoogans]

Felton is a gamble, a gamble without the huge upside of a Lin gamble. You are missing my point on the money, they can't use that money to bring in any kind of comparable help later due to the constraints of the salary cap. They are locked into this roster anyway, wouldn't you rather have Lin as part of it?

If durability is a factor (which I wouldn't concede after such a small sample) play him less, have Kidd and Felton spell him, especially in less meaningful minutes.

yea you can because without lins deal, they will get exceptions along the way they would not have gotten with him cause they woulda had too much money on the cap number. The new CBA is very restrictive and really, kinda insane. Plus, when you pay lux tax over a certain amount, you arent allowed to do offseason sign and trades starting next off season. So, the knicks would have to do trades during the season. As we stand without lin, we are like 3 mill under that amount.

[Snoogans]

Felton is a gamble, a gamble without the huge upside of a Lin gamble. You are missing my point on the money, they can't use that money to bring in any kind of comparable help later due to the constraints of the salary cap. They are locked into this roster anyway, wouldn't you rather have Lin as part of it?

If durability is a factor (which I wouldn't concede after such a small sample) play him less, have Kidd and Felton spell him, especially in less meaningful minutes.

well, as for durability, again im not sayin the kid is fragile, just that he will take more punishment than most guys. Plus, lin did have a LOT of nagging injuries when he was at harvard. he played through most of them, but the fuckin kid was ALWAYS HURT.

Let us also remember, Lin played the 2 at harvard cause he isnt a true PG. He is a slasher scorer kick PG which will NEVER work with Mike Woodson

[Snoogans]

I can assure you they're not automatically sold out every game, this is not 1993, and believe me when they aren't playing well the "announced crowd" isn't close to the number in the arena.

Is the ad revenue on MSG split evenly? The amount the Knicks can charge WFAN or ESPN to broadcast split evenly? Etc, etc.

even before the linsanity started, the knicks had sold out every season ticket last year. they have sold everyone this year and have like a 200K person waiting list. They said that cause lin left, they have been 300 cancellations of season tickets which have already been repurchased.

See in 93 everyone showed up every night. They havent always showed up every night the past few years, but every night, every ticket is sold. Businesses buy them up all the time.


as for revenue, the knicks were already the biggest money maker in the NBA. They made the 3rd most money in the league ISIAHS LAST YEAR. They make enough money. They already got a long term deal signed with time warner. Could they have made some extra money overseas off lin, sure. But do you think it matters? This isnt some small market team where they really need that money. Not having the Lin dollars isnt gonna stop the Knicks from doing anything they want to do in the future. So it doesnt matter.

[underdog]

I can assure you they're not automatically sold out every game, this is not 1993, and believe me when they aren't playing well the "announced crowd" isn't close to the number in the arena.

Is the ad revenue on MSG split evenly? The amount the Knicks can charge WFAN or ESPN to broadcast split evenly? Etc, etc.

Broadcast revenue is probably split evenly.

and if Lin sucked, they'd be stuck with a giant contract for no reason.

[Snoogans]

Broadcast revenue is probably split evenly.

and if Lin sucked, they'd be stuck with a giant contract for no reason.

actually no. that was one of the big holdups in the last deal. The owners were infighting about the extent of revenue sharing and i think the rich owners won that. All the money from national games (espn, ABC, etc) is evenly split. The money you make off your own networks or regional deal is yours to keep.

That being said, again, MSG makes plenty of money, and did before Lin. They know how much extra money they made off him, and we dont, and they deemed it not worth it. Even Darren Rovell said that in the new CBA, Lin would not have generated enough extra money to even pay back his own contract. So, its not that crazy. And if the knicks win games, people will watch.

WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING? Im sorry, i didnt know the knicks were broke and couldnt do anything or have money to spend before lin got here. Was their even basketball before lin got here? ITS ONE FUCKIN GUY. HOLY SHIT

[Earlshog]

yea you can because without lins deal, they will get exceptions along the way they would not have gotten with him cause they woulda had too much money on the cap number. The new CBA is very restrictive and really, kinda insane. Plus, when you pay lux tax over a certain amount, you arent allowed to do offseason sign and trades starting next off season. So, the knicks would have to do trades during the season. As we stand without lin, we are like 3 mill under that amount.

I guess time will tell with the above, if they can bring in someone better than Lin under the exceptions or not. My feeling is they won't. We will see.

[Earlshog]

well, as for durability, again im not sayin the kid is fragile, just that he will take more punishment than most guys. Plus, lin did have a LOT of nagging injuries when he was at harvard. he played through most of them, but the fuckin kid was ALWAYS HURT.

Let us also remember, Lin played the 2 at harvard cause he isnt a true PG. He is a slasher scorer kick PG which will NEVER work with Carmelo Anthony

fixed

[Snoogans]

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so what? I love this. Blame it all on Melo. WE ALL BEGGED TO FUCKIN GET MELO HERE. HE WAS OUR SAVIOR.

People act like Melo came here and all of a sudden started playing this type of basketball. Had anyone ever seen melo play in Denver?

Im sorry, but this is fuckin heinous. YOU ARE GONNA BUILD A TEAM AROUND A GUY WHO PLAYED 25 GAMES OVER GUYS WHO HAVE PROVEN THEY ARE NBA PLAYERS? And so what, fuck melos deal? We have the guy under contract. he is here. You HAVE to try to make it work with him. This is the best way to do that.


WHEN DID JEREMY LIN BECOME FUCKIN STEVE NASH?
WHEN DID KNICKS FANS BECOME BLIND? WHAT DID JEREMY LIN DO, GIVE YOU ALL FUCKIN BLOWJOBS?

He is an average to good PG who wasnt worth the deal, so we finally made a smart move. Now the entire city wants to jump off a bridge? what the fuck?

[Snoogans]

I guess time will tell with the above, if they can bring in someone better than Lin under the exceptions or not. My feeling is they won't. We will see.

i wasnt necc sayin at PG. I mean at any position, we have more flex now. And im sorry, LIN ISNT GREAT. And in a system that doesnt fit him, he wont be anything near as good as you all seem to think.

THE FUCKIN GUY CANT EVEN GO LEFT. He had great games until they figured his ass out. Its like a hitter who comes up from AAA and hits 425 through 75 ABs.

But then pitchers realize he cant hit or lay off a high inside fastball and he ends up hitting 275.

[Earlshog]

Broadcast revenue is probably split evenly.

and if Lin sucked, they'd be stuck with a giant contract for no reason.


no its not, if you can charge more for adds / introduce new revenue streams it's for your pocket.

I don't get the bad signing analogy? If anyone you signed sucked you are stuck with their contract (no one knows this better than the Knicks, well except maybe the Mets). Dude over in Brook-lon is worth 8 bil, and said money is not an object, now isn't the time to start worrying about cash.

[Snoogans]

no its not, if you can charge more for adds / introduce new revenue streams it's for your pocket.

I don't get the bad signing analogy? If anyone you signed sucked you are stuck with their contract (no one knows this better than the Knicks, well except maybe the Mets). Dude over in Brook-lon is worth 8 bil, and said money is not an object, now isn't the time to start worrying about cash.

thats why its not about cash. ITS ABOUT LIN WASNT THAT GOOD. THATS WHY ITS A BAD SIGNING. CAUSE HE ISNT A MAX PLAYER AND WONT BE EVER. PERIOD

[Earlshog]

so what? I love this. Blame it all on Melo. WE ALL BEGGED TO FUCKIN GET MELO HERE. HE WAS OUR SAVIOR.

People act like Melo came here and all of a sudden started playing this type of basketball. Had anyone ever seen melo play in Denver?

Im sorry, but this is fuckin heinous. YOU ARE GONNA BUILD A TEAM AROUND A GUY WHO PLAYED 25 GAMES OVER GUYS WHO HAVE PROVEN THEY ARE NBA PLAYERS? And so what, fuck melos deal? We have the guy under contract. he is here. You HAVE to try to make it work with him. This is the best way to do that.


WHEN DID JEREMY LIN BECOME FUCKIN STEVE NASH?
WHEN DID KNICKS FANS BECOME BLIND? WHAT DID JEREMY LIN DO, GIVE YOU ALL FUCKIN BLOWJOBS?

He is an average to good PG who wasnt worth the deal, so we finally made a smart move. Now the entire city wants to jump off a bridge? what the fuck?

I was just kidding about Melo. Well kinda, sorta, it does speak to his character a bit that he puts petty jealousy ahead of winning. I like Melo, he is the franchise, and as you said anyone who knows basketball knew what the Knicks were getting.

Who said anything about building the team around Lin? Who said he was Steve Nash?

[Earlshog]

thats why its not about cash. ITS ABOUT LIN WASNT THAT GOOD. THATS WHY ITS A BAD SIGNING. CAUSE HE ISNT A MAX PLAYER AND WONT BE EVER. PERIOD

Smells like it was a Dolan decision and we have seen how those have worked out the past 10 + years.

[Earlshog]

i wasnt necc sayin at PG. I mean at any position, we have more flex now. And im sorry, LIN ISNT GREAT. And in a system that doesnt fit him, he wont be anything near as good as you all seem to think.

THE FUCKIN GUY CANT EVEN GO LEFT. He had great games until they figured his ass out. Its like a hitter who comes up from AAA and hits 425 through 75 ABs.

But then pitchers realize he cant hit or lay off a high inside fastball and he ends up hitting 275.

right now the Knicks don't have a .275 hitter at the point

[Snoogans]

I was just kidding about Melo. Well kinda, sorta, it does speak to his character a bit that he puts petty jealousy ahead of winning. I like Melo, he is the franchise, and as you said anyone who knows basketball knew what the Knicks were getting.

Who said anything about building the team around Lin? Who said he was Steve Nash?

thats the way everyone is acting, talkin about how shit is different now, some people sayin i wont follow the knicks anymore. Even you fighting how this was a dumb decision. If he isnt steve nash or the next steve nash, then he shouldnt have a contract near what he got. so this was smart.

Smells like it was a Dolan decision and we have seen how those have worked out the past 10 + years.

actually the basketball people told him no an hour after they got the sheet. Dolan dragged it out cause he was considering matching it. But the basketball people were a no from the jump

right now the Knicks don't have a .275 hitter at the point

how quickly we all forget the love we all had for felton. We were GA GA over the guy, some people even sayin he should be the deal breaker for melo. Im sure he will be alot more motivated here than he was in Portland. If we get even 75% of what felton was the first time, then he will be better FOR THIS OFFENSE than lin ever woulda been.



Im so mad because its like everyone went blind all of a sudden, and also are hypocrits. We cant have it both ways. We kill a guy for wasting money, now we are killin a guy for not wasting money.

Anyone who tries to tell me Lin was worth that money, I question what they really know about basketball. And if he wasnt worth that money, let him go. Regardless if you had the money or not. Its about basketball this time, not money. And thats all we really ever wanted it to be about. Now its not good enough

[Earlshog]

thats the way everyone is acting, talkin about how shit is different now, some people sayin i wont follow the knicks anymore. Even you fighting how this was a dumb decision. If he isnt steve nash or the next steve nash, then he shouldnt have a contract near what he got. so this was smart.



actually the basketball people told him no an hour after they got the sheet. Dolan dragged it out cause he was considering matching it. But the basketball people were a no from the jump



how quickly we all forget the love we all had for felton. We were GA GA over the guy, some people even sayin he should be the deal breaker for melo. Im sure he will be alot more motivated here than he was in Portland. If we get even 75% of what felton was the first time, then he will be better FOR THIS OFFENSE than lin ever woulda been.



Im so mad because its like everyone went blind all of a sudden, and also are hypocrits. We cant have it both ways. We kill a guy for wasting money, now we are killin a guy for not wasting money.

Anyone who tries to tell me Lin was worth that money, I question what they really know about basketball. And if he wasnt worth that money, let him go. Regardless if you had the money or not. Its about basketball this time, not money. And thats all we really ever wanted it to be about. Now its not good enough

We will see with Felton, his stock has crashed. I hope you are right and he is reinvigorated to be back on the floor at the Garden.


I understand listening to the Fan or whatever can make you crazy and plenty of hypocritical statements will be made but as far a having it both ways its not that black and white. There is a difference between jacking up your salary cap aka rolling the snowball downhill starting with the Ewing / Glen Rice swap and the well documented next 10 years of compounding the problem vs. resigning your own player in a period of time you will have very limited cap flexibility either way.

[Snoogans]

We will see with Felton, his stock has crashed. I hope you are right and he is reinvigorated to be back on the floor at the Garden.


I understand listening to the Fan or whatever can make you crazy and plenty of hypocritical statements will be made but as far a having it both ways its not that black and white. There is a difference between jacking up your salary cap aka rolling the snowball downhill starting with the Ewing / Glen Rice swap and the well documented next 10 years of compounding the problem vs. resigning your own player in a period of time you will have very limited cap flexibility either way.

no, see, thats the problem. It shouldnt have anything to do with anything else that ever happened or who lin played for or whatever.

Here is how you decide. jeremy Lin - 3 Years 25.5 million

Is he worth it? No. Jeremy Lin year 3 14.9 mill. is he worth it? No

then let him go.


period, end of story. Finally they made the right decision. Thats it. At this moment it woulda been dumb to take on that deal.

[Earlshog]

Here is how you decide. jeremy Lin - 3 Years 25.5 million

Is he worth it? No.

If I may speak in bumper sticker "we will have to agree to disagree" :wink:

[Snoogans]

If I may speak in bumper sticker "we will have to agree to disagree" :wink:

maybe, but before you decide Lin was worth that ridiculous deal, think about something.

Think of a time you actually saw Lin go left. Think of a time he played against a top flight defender and did all that stuff. Think of a time that he actually shut a guy down defensively.

I cant justify giving a max salary year to any player who cant play D AND cant go left and doesnt do that well against the better defenders.

And dont give me this shit about well Melo cant play d. He absolutely can. He just doesnt. Thats an anger for a different day though

[spoon]

so what? I love this. Blame it all on Melo. WE ALL BEGGED TO FUCKIN GET MELO HERE. HE WAS OUR SAVIOR.

People act like Melo came here and all of a sudden started playing this type of basketball. Had anyone ever seen melo play in Denver?

Im sorry, but this is fuckin heinous. YOU ARE GONNA BUILD A TEAM AROUND A GUY WHO PLAYED 25 GAMES OVER GUYS WHO HAVE PROVEN THEY ARE NBA PLAYERS? And so what, fuck melos deal? We have the guy under contract. he is here. You HAVE to try to make it work with him. This is the best way to do that.


WHEN DID JEREMY LIN BECOME FUCKIN STEVE NASH?
WHEN DID KNICKS FANS BECOME BLIND? WHAT DID JEREMY LIN DO, GIVE YOU ALL FUCKIN BLOWJOBS?

He is an average to good PG who wasnt worth the deal, so we finally made a smart move. Now the entire city wants to jump off a bridge? what the fuck?

It's pretty simple if you really think about it. Outside of the Mets, the new yorks fans and teams rarely lose any player they think could be even somewhat good. In fact, they are used to going out and getting/adding important great players so it's not so much a Knicks thing, but a new york fan thing to me. It's not all NY fans, but a whole lot of the NYR, NYY, NYK fans surely go this way.

[Snacks]

so what? I love this. Blame it all on Melo. WE ALL BEGGED TO FUCKIN GET MELO HERE. HE WAS OUR SAVIOR.

People act like Melo came here and all of a sudden started playing this type of basketball. Had anyone ever seen melo play in Denver?

Im sorry, but this is fuckin heinous. YOU ARE GONNA BUILD A TEAM AROUND A GUY WHO PLAYED 25 GAMES OVER GUYS WHO HAVE PROVEN THEY ARE NBA PLAYERS? And so what, fuck melos deal? We have the guy under contract. he is here. You HAVE to try to make it work with him. This is the best way to do that.


WHEN DID JEREMY LIN BECOME FUCKIN STEVE NASH?
WHEN DID KNICKS FANS BECOME BLIND? WHAT DID JEREMY LIN DO, GIVE YOU ALL FUCKIN BLOWJOBS?

He is an average to good PG who wasnt worth the deal, so we finally made a smart move. Now the entire city wants to jump off a bridge? what the fuck?

A lot of Knicks fans really seem to know nothing about basketball. It amazes me how many fans are this angry over losing a guy who might be avg at best. IMO Felton is a better point guard. Lin is a lifetime shooting guard who switched to pg to get in the nba. He played great against shit teams for 15 games. The last 10 he got owned by all the great and good pgs in the league. I think he should do well in Hou but only because he will be given ever chance to succeed and the ball will be his and go through him. Here in NY he never truly played with Melo and Amare together and like I said down the stretch he didnt play that well. Teams figured him out and he wasnt worth the money or the chance. The only thing he truly had going for him going into this season was his marketability. Other then that if isnt even close to as good as people hope then all that goes away just as quickly as it came.

[Earlshog]

A lot of Knicks fans really seem to know nothing about basketball. It amazes me how many fans are this angry over losing a guy who might be avg at best. IMO Felton is a better point guard. Lin is a lifetime shooting guard who switched to pg to get in the nba. He played great against shit teams for 15 games. The last 10 he got owned by all the great and good pgs in the league. I think he should do well in Hou but only because he will be given ever chance to succeed and the ball will be his and go through him. Here in NY he never truly played with Melo and Amare together and like I said down the stretch he didnt play that well. Teams figured him out and he wasnt worth the money or the chance. The only thing he truly had going for him going into this season was his marketability. Other then that if isnt even close to as good as people hope then all that goes away just as quickly as it came.

Every team in the league's scouts missed this guy, the "best of the best" so please spare the horseshit about fans not knowing anything just because they don't agree with your opinion. Kurt Warner sat behind Tony Banks in St Louis. Shit the guy may have never stepped onto the grid Iron if Trent Green didn't rip up his knee. Mike Piazza was drafted in the millionth round as a favor to his fucking God father etc, etc. How many first over all picks in all major sports never amount to piss? Again these are the best of the best making these decisions, millions of dollars, people jobs, reputations at stake. When you disparage other fans knowledge, on the basis you're here, you're embarrassing yourself (not just picking on you, anyone in general who partakes in this practice), I am sure if you go back on this very website, for anyone of us, we have nailed a few, but more times we were dead wrong.

[Earlshog]

maybe, but before you decide Lin was worth that ridiculous deal, think about something.

Think of a time you actually saw Lin go left. Think of a time he played against a top flight defender and did all that stuff. Think of a time that he actually shut a guy down defensively.

I cant justify giving a max salary year to any player who cant play D AND cant go left and doesnt do that well against the better defenders.

And dont give me this shit about well Melo cant play d. He absolutely can. He just doesnt. Thats an anger for a different day though

Go right? What are we playing one on one on West 4th street? And not playing D he fits right in on this team :wink:

[Earlshog]

Trading him in that last year wouldn't have been easy. Plus, they wouldn't have done it before the season, which means they would have been paying all the luxury tax money (tens of millions of dollars).

And it's not like the Knicks would have made more money from merchandising if he stayed with the Knicks.

MSG stock has dropped $93 million since Jeremy Lin signed with the Rockets

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19620823/msg-stock-has-dropped-93-million-since-jeremy-lin-signed-with-the-rockets

[Snacks]

Every team in the league's scouts missed this guy, the "best of the best" so please spare the horseshit about fans not knowing anything just because they don't agree with your opinion. Kurt Warner sat behind Tony Banks in St Louis. Shit the guy may have never stepped onto the grid Iron if Trent Green didn't rip up his knee. Mike Piazza was drafted in the millionth round as a favor to his fucking God father etc, etc. How many first over all picks in all major sports never amount to piss? Again these are the best of the best making these decisions, millions of dollars, people jobs, reputations at stake. When you disparage other fans knowledge, on the basis you're here, you're embarrassing yourself (not just picking on you, anyone in general who partakes in this practice), I am sure if you go back on this very website, for anyone of us, we have nailed a few, but more times we were dead wrong.

You are naming guys who after they played and got their chance continued to play well for years and years before getting any new contract let alone a huge contract. Lin played in 1/3 of a seasons games (and got hurt) and those knicks fans that think he deserved this contract or the knicks should have matched it, is all the proof I need that those fans know nothing about basketball. Sorry if that hurts your feelings or if you are 1 of the many sheep that fell in line with what the media sold you about how great he was. Lin was a nice story and I hope he has success but you dont pay him $8+ million a year avg with 1 year being close to max money of $14 million off of 1/3 of a season which was shortened by an injury and while not playing with the 2 main stars during that little run he had. Now if he was coming back at Felton money (3 years $10 million) then yes you take a chance and if he proves he is everything he was in his first 15 games then you give him a 3, 4 or even 5 year deal at $10 million a year. But thats only after he has proven himself just like Warner and Piazza did.

[Earlshog]

You are naming guys who after they played and got their chance continued to play well for years and years before getting any new contract let alone a huge contract. Lin played in 1/3 of a seasons games (and got hurt) and those knicks fans that think he deserved this contract or the knicks should have matched it, is all the proof I need that those fans know nothing about basketball. Sorry if that hurts your feelings or if you are 1 of the many sheep that fell in line with what the media sold you about how great he was. Lin was a nice story and I hope he has success but you dont pay him $8+ million a year avg with 1 year being close to max money of $14 million off of 1/3 of a season which was shortened by an injury and while not playing with the 2 main stars during that little run he had. Now if he was coming back at Felton money (3 years $10 million) then yes you take a chance and if he proves he is everything he was in his first 15 games then you give him a 3, 4 or even 5 year deal at $10 million a year. But thats only after he has proven himself just like Warner and Piazza did.

But it's okay to pay JaMarcus Russell 32 mil guaranteed? I guess using that logic the franchise is better off losing $55 mil (that's a gross number including 40 mil they would have had to pay Lin with the luxury tax) ofyour franchise value (that number will only continue to rise) for letting all that ad revenure walk away. And for that loss your prize is employing an inferior point guard. You are right I don't know my ass from my elbow.

Simply put it's not about the money. They lost money on this deal, by not resigning him not vice versa. My point is and always has been you are not going to be able to sign a player of his caliber the next three years so why not keep him? If you want to disagree with that fine, but arguing about the money per year is asinine.

[Snacks]

But it's okay to pay JaMarcus Russell 32 mil guaranteed? I guess using that logic the franchise is better off losing $55 mil (that's a gross number including 40 mil they would have had to pay Lin with the luxury tax) ofyour franchise value (that number will only continue to rise) for letting all that ad revenure walk away. And for that loss your prize is employing an inferior point guard. You are right I don't know my ass from my elbow.

Simply put it's not about the money. They lost money on this deal, by not resigning him not vice versa. My point is and always has been you are not going to be able to sign a player of his caliber the next three years so why not keep him? If you want to disagree with that fine, but arguing about the money per year is asinine.

No its not but in those cases (which no longer can happen under new NFL rules) the player coming out is considered a top college player and they are going by their play and evaluations. Yes they are wrong many times but like I said they are different situations.


You keep saying his caliber. He hasnt proven to be that good. He was good to great for 15 games but what was proven when he played teams a 2nd time or played against good to great pgs he got owned.

[Snoogans]

MSG stock has dropped $93 million since Jeremy Lin signed with the Rockets

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19620823/msg-stock-has-dropped-93-million-since-jeremy-lin-signed-with-the-rockets


and all the analysts are sayin its a short term thing. the stock goes up and down all the time. Its down like 2 bucks from where it was 3 weeks ago. big deal. First 5 game winning streak it will go right back up

[epo]

MSG stock has dropped $93 million since Jeremy Lin signed with the Rockets

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19620823/msg-stock-has-dropped-93-million-since-jeremy-lin-signed-with-the-rockets

This is the angle of the Lin story that I find fascinating. I wonder what this will do for the team's revenues in the long-term in the Asian market.

and all the analysts are sayin its a short term thing. the stock goes up and down all the time. Its down like 2 bucks from where it was 3 weeks ago. big deal. First 5 game winning streak it will go right back up

That's the normal fluctuation. I wonder what impact Lin had last season on the stock and what he meant to foreign revenues. I don't know the answer and haven't seen any analysis on it.

As far as basketball goes, the Knicks obviously made the right choice. As far as business goes, I'm guessing the jury is out.

[Earlshog]

No its not but in those cases (which no longer can happen under new NFL rules) the player coming out is considered a top college player and they are going by their play and evaluations. Yes they are wrong many times but like I said they are different situations.


You keep saying his caliber. He hasnt proven to be that good. He was good to great for 15 games but what was proven when he played teams a 2nd time or played against good to great pgs he got owned.

Right under the new NFL rules... If those rules were not in place Andrew Luck would have gotten 100 mil, as it is he will get 30 mil or whatever and the future Tom Brady taken in the 7th round will get 400 k if he makes the team. I was referencing Snacks point that you only pay someone after they have proven themselves, which I am not sure why he was arguing as in this instance isn't relevant because we know the Knicks lost a ton of money by not resigning him.

Okay caliber or potential whatever word you want to use. He has proven he has the tools to be much better than the players we currently have or can get our hands by letting him go.

[underdog]

As far as basketball goes, the Knicks obviously made the right choice. As far as business goes, I'm guessing the jury is out.

I don't disagree with this at all.

[Earlshog]

and all the analysts are sayin its a short term thing. the stock goes up and down all the time. Its down like 2 bucks from where it was 3 weeks ago. big deal. First 5 game winning streak it will go right back up

Did those same analysts say the value that MSG stock had increased by Jeremy Lin being part of the team was a short term thing, because LinSainty was quite awhile ago.

That money was built into the stock price. Without Lin its lost revenue, an analyst can call it whatever it wants. Bottom line this cost the franchise a lot of dough!

[hanso]

I read Lin saved 3 Mil. by just going to Hou.

[Snoogans]

This is the angle of the Lin story that I find fascinating. I wonder what this will do for the team's revenues in the long-term in the Asian market.



That's the normal fluctuation. I wonder what impact Lin had last season on the stock and what he meant to foreign revenues. I don't know the answer and haven't seen any analysis on it.

As far as basketball goes, the Knicks obviously made the right choice. As far as business goes, I'm guessing the jury is out.

from what ive read on the business sites, not nearly as much as people act like. Also, because they already got the TV deals done, its not really gonna do much to effect revenue, esp when the garden renovations are finished.

I just love how everyone acts like they had nothing before Lin got here. Its so insane

[Snoogans]

Did those same analysts say the value that MSG stock had increased by Jeremy Lin being part of the team was a short term thing, because LinSainty was quite awhile ago.

That money was built into the stock price. Without Lin its lost revenue, an analyst can call it whatever it wants. Bottom line this cost the franchise a lot of dough!

actually yea, they broke the entire thing down. The stock went up 7% during the time since lin had started. Most of it, the financial sector has attributed to the extra income from the time warner deal, and the extra subs it brought back to MSG. Lin helped get that done, no doubt, but that done. they still will have that money.

And, when they made the playoffs the first time with Melo when they had first gotten him, the stock also spiked around 7% and went down a bit after the season.

The main reason the stock has gone down since the season ended is the company doesnt have revenue in the summer. They are all sayin any effect lin had was and will be short term.

Again, THIS TEAM WAS ALREADY THE BIGGEST MONEY MAKER IN THE LEAGUE BEFORE LIN. Thats not gonna change. I dont get it.

Besides, you dont think the business people at MSG knew all this anyway? Its not your money, so who cares. The Knicks will not ever have a money problem so its fuckin silly to act like this matters.

All that should matter is basketball side and on the basketball side, the knicks have had a pretty damn good offseason

[spoon]

Kurt Warner sat behind Tony Banks in St Louis. Shit the guy may have never stepped onto the grid Iron if Trent Green didn't rip up his knee.

wooooah there!

trent green didn't rip up trent green's knee, rodney fucking harrison did son!

print it!


I'm sure he'd like to chime in on this one!

:wink:

[mdr55]

New York Knicks Lin jersey on-sale at Modells, Sports Authority and Dick's Sporting goods. If I see one for $5, I might get one. I wonder how that Lin sneaker that was supposed to come out going to sell now.

[RodneyHarrison]

wooooah there!

trent green didn't rip up trent green's knee, rodney fucking harrison did son!

print it!


I'm sure he'd like to chime in on this one!

:wink:

NO FUCKIN BODY GONE TELL RODNEY HARRISON WHAT THE FUCK RODNEY HARRISON IS SUPPOSED TO FUCKIN DO. RODNEY HARRISON WILL RIP YOUR FUCKIN THROAT OUT


PRINT IT

[cougarjake13]

I read Lin saved 3 Mil. by just going to Hou.



yeh bc of the diff taxes or lack thereof in texas

[Snoogans]

MSG stock has dropped $93 million since Jeremy Lin signed with the Rockets

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19620823/msg-stock-has-dropped-93-million-since-jeremy-lin-signed-with-the-rockets

MSG stock price at an all time high (http://deadspin.com/5936333/so-much-for-the-jeremy-lin-effect-msg-stock-at-all+time-high)

[Earlshog]

MSG stock price at an all time high (http://deadspin.com/5936333/so-much-for-the-jeremy-lin-effect-msg-stock-at-all+time-high)

sweet, I'm gonna seel off some of my facebook shares and get in on this :surrender:

[cougarjake13]

sweet, I'm gonna seel off some of my facebook shares and get in on this :surrender:



love the bring back Anthony mason screen name