~ The Crazy Right Wing ~

[spoon]

We need a nice place to post the goings on with the quickly deteriorating right wing side of the GOP.

So here's a fun thread for all that to live on for prosperity.

No abortions here...except for their policy beliefs and the pseudo lives they live so pure.

I'll start, here's some fun with cult-like hero/almost deity Reagan.

Taylor made fun! (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/liz-taylor-love-romps-article-1.1181033)

At least Kennedy didn't fake his morals and live a completely different life. I guess it's a shock at this point a GOP moral fiber guy didn't end up being bi or gay at this point. So there's that.

[Kevin]

I was just watching some interview with Romneys sister. (what a hideous looking ghoul)

It was hilarious.

She said Mitt was utterly shocked that he lost.

Are facts this lost on this party?

I understand thinking anything can happen and you have a shot. But shocked that you lost?

The funniest shit she said was the media made little stories like the dog one big because they did not have anything bad to say about him.

God what a fantasy land these people live in.

[Bob Impact]

In the series of articles about Romney not writing a concession speech they detail the tracking and polls his campaign was following, in most cases they disregarded the public or news polls and stuck to their own formulas. It came across to me as a "The emperor has no clothes" type of situation.

[KnoxHarrington]

In the series of articles about Romney not writing a concession speech they detail the tracking and polls his campaign was following, in most cases they disregarded the public or news polls and stuck to their own formulas. It came across to me as a "The emperor has no clothes" type of situation.

It's just amazing how that whole "fuck the facts, we know better" mentality went all the way to the top of that campaign. Apparently everyone in the campaign, up to Romney himself, believed this whole "skewed polls" narrative that the right wing came up with to explain how, even though they'd spent the last 4 or 5 years talking about what a socialist fascist Islamic terrorist-loving disaster of a president Obama has been, he was leading in the polls. They've gotten so used to living in this echo chamber that they've just started rejecting anything that doesn't agree with the story they want to hear.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ive heard everything from Blaming Christie for working with Obama in a bi partisan way to the storm itself.


Mitt Lost because his ground game blew. He got 3 million less votes than McCain did in 2008. Another factor is that the campaigned overplayed the 1st debate. Plouffe, Axelrod, Messina et al targeted those swing states and were able to win 8 of 9. With an anemic recovery at best and a less than stellar 1st term to the Obama campaigns credit thry outwitted Romney and clearly were the better strategists


The talkers if they keep it up might have Christie pull a Charlie Crist


I must admit when I 1st opened this thread before clicking the link about that 3sum I thought it was about Hockey and Golf clubs

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In the series of articles about Romney not writing a concession speech they detail the tracking and polls his campaign was following, in most cases they disregarded the public or news polls and stuck to their own formulas. It came across to me as a "The emperor has no clothes" type of situation.

I think also Mitt still had sort of that CEO mentality from the Bain days. Im sure he was surrounded with yes men. Old habits die hard

[spoon]

I was just watching some interview with Romneys sister. (what a hideous looking ghoul)

It was hilarious.

She said Mitt was utterly shocked that he lost.

Are facts this lost on this party?

I understand thinking anything can happen and you have a shot. But shocked that you lost?

The funniest shit she said was the media made little stories like the dog one big because they did not have anything bad to say about him.

God what a fantasy land these people live in.

I would bet Obama himself/team/writers actually wrote a concession speech for fuck's sake. Yet why believe polls and the general media. At this point, if the news isn't favorable to their side, it's a main stream media bias and they convince themselves everything but the actual information.

[spoon]

Ive heard everything from Blaming Christie for working with Obama in a bi partisan way to the storm itself.


Mitt Lost because his ground game blew. He got 3 million less votes than McCain did in 2008. Another factor is that the campaigned overplayed the 1st debate. Plouffe, Axelrod, Messina et al targeted those swing states and were able to win 8 of 9. With an anemic recovery at best and a less than stellar 1st term to the Obama campaigns credit thry outwitted Romney and clearly were the better strategists


The talkers if they keep it up might have Christie pull a Charlie Crist


I must admit when I 1st opened this thread before clicking the link about that 3sum I thought it was about Hockey and Golf clubs

about hockey, that actually made me laugh you fuck

and to be honest, I actually agree on the over valuing the first debate in SOOOO many ways. they played the next to safe (especially the third) and never admitted when beaten or off which was the COMPLETE contrast of the Dems. Obama and crew admitted to an awful first debate and found a way to rebound AND write off the first one at the same time. To me, this underlies the reality problem and disparity difference with fact with each party. One adjusts, the other convinces itself IT'S GONNA BE OK! instead of making changes, adjustments and being honest, they even lie to themselves

[underdog]

No abortions here...

...

That didn't last long.

[Jayw]

Whats the big deal, we know who kills their babies daily. and obamacare pays for it thank god. 4 more years 4 more years

[mdr55]

I was looking forward to more use of coal energy. Shucks.

[Kevin]

I was looking forward to more use of coal energy. Shucks.


As long as its clean coal!

[hanso]

I would bet Obama himself/team/writers actually wrote a concession speech for fuck's sake. Yet why believe polls and the general media. At this point, if the news isn't favorable to their side, it's a main stream media bias and they convince themselves everything but the actual information.

Or if they don't like the outcome its do away with the organization (CBO / BLS )

[TripleSkeet]

Learned alot while talking to my wifes uncle today. He owns his own insurance business and is a self made millionaire. First thing I asked him...

"So is this re-election going to cost you alot of money?"

His answer? "Not really."

He explained how they already pay healthcare for their workers and how Obamacare will actually wind up benefitting him as his costs already go up 8-15% a year now. He doesnt expect it to make healthcare that much more affordable but capping what the insurance companies can make benefits the consumers overall. He voted for Obama.

Then he was telling me how all his clients HATE Obama. And the reason he was scared about this election was because even though he didnt know Romney personally, he knew plenty of his clients, people worth $30 and $40 million did know him and worked with him in the past. And he explained how the greediest ones, the ones that didnt give a fuck about anything or anyone but their own pocket, were the ones that wanted him elected the most.

The Papa Johns situation is a perfect example of this. This motherfucker owns a 40,000 square foot castle, yet hes now saying publicly hes going to cut his employees hours so they get under 30 a week in order to get out paying their healthcare. This is after he did the math and had said he could pay it if he raised his prices by 14 cents a pizza. We discussed this and my wifes uncle was just blown away by how stupid a move this was from a PR and business standpoint. He explained how it wouldve been smarter to just say "Hey, we are going to raise our pizza prices 14 cents, but it will help allow us to profide healthcare to millions of American workers." Who really gives a fuck about 14 cents??? Instead he comes off as a greedy uncaring scrooge like asshole. The bad publicity is sure to cost them a ton of business. I just dont get the mentality.

[PapaBear]

He knows that the people who buy Papa John's pizza really won't give a fuck about the employees benefits. Some of them might say "that's awful" at first, but when it's time to order a pizza, they'll still order the crap that's cheap.

[TripleSkeet]

He knows that the people who buy Papa John's pizza really won't give a fuck about the employees benefits. Some of them might say "that's awful" at first, but when it's time to order a pizza, they'll still order the crap that's cheap.

See that I dont understand. Because honestly its the same shit as Dominos and Pizza Hut. Personally I feel anyone that lives above Virginia and eats that slop is a retard. But I can guarantee they will never get a dime from me.

Heres the part I really dont get though. This is something else I talked about with my wifes uncle. He said how the clients of his that were the most upset were the ones whos lives honestly werent going to be affected at all. He said even if everything passed, the end of the tax breaks, Obamacare, etc. these people had so much money it wasnt going to effect anything they owned, it wouldnt stop them from buying anything they wanted, their lives would go on absolutely the same as they were now. This guy from Papa Johns is worth $300 million. How the fuck could this possibly make his life bad in any way?????

[PapaBear]

See that I dont understand. Because honestly its the same shit as Dominos and Pizza Hut. Personally I feel anyone that lives above Virginia and eats that slop is a retard. But I can guarantee they will never get a dime from me.
They will order from whichever of the three has the best special that week. And you don't have to live in the north to be retarded for eating crappy pizza. The bottom line is, most people don't really care where their money goes.

[keithy_19]

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(i love this band)

[keithy_19]

I had 4 tylenol pm. I felt the 4th go down my throat. Thoutghs?

[cougarjake13]

ur gag reflex is slipping

[Bob Impact]

See that I dont understand. Because honestly its the same shit as Dominos and Pizza Hut. Personally I feel anyone that lives above Virginia and eats that slop is a retard. But I can guarantee they will never get a dime from me.

Heres the part I really dont get though. This is something else I talked about with my wifes uncle. He said how the clients of his that were the most upset were the ones whos lives honestly werent going to be affected at all. He said even if everything passed, the end of the tax breaks, Obamacare, etc. these people had so much money it wasnt going to effect anything they owned, it wouldnt stop them from buying anything they wanted, their lives would go on absolutely the same as they were now. This guy from Papa Johns is worth $300 million. How the fuck could this possibly make his life bad in any way?????

That business only makes about 3% profit according to some article I read somewhere and am currently too lazy to source. If their profit margins are indeed that slim reducing costs in this manner is de rigueur for large businesses. The reasoning is that if you know a specific resource is going to cost you more in the future than it does today you will try to avoid that cost. For growing businesses that often means adding contractors or off-shore people as opposed to hiring against a headcount, for existing/troubled businesses that means reducing staff to bring profits up enough to save the rest of the company.

Point is, healthcare is part of a number of problems that cause companies to avoid hiring full timers. In my experience there is little to no change pre and post Obamacare to that. I think we have a much bigger entitlement and education issue in this country when it relates to employees than we do a healthcare costs issue. Hiring a full time employee is like hiring a hand grenade. The pin may stay in and work well for 20 years getting a 5% raise every year, or the pin may get pulled and suddenly you're being held up for a 20% raise every year or IP walks.

Outside of completely idiotic comments made to the press this looks to me like the unfortunate and ugly but understandable portion of business nobody likes to talk about that their CEO for some reason decided would be best wrapped in a crazy political message.

[underdog]

Learned alot while talking to my wifes uncle today. He owns his own insurance business and is a self made millionaire. First thing I asked him...

"So is this re-election going to cost you alot of money?"

His answer? "Not really."

He explained how they already pay healthcare for their workers and how Obamacare will actually wind up benefitting him as his costs already go up 8-15% a year now. He doesnt expect it to make healthcare that much more affordable but capping what the insurance companies can make benefits the consumers overall. He voted for Obama.

Then he was telling me how all his clients HATE Obama. And the reason he was scared about this election was because even though he didnt know Romney personally, he knew plenty of his clients, people worth $30 and $40 million did know him and worked with him in the past. And he explained how the greediest ones, the ones that didnt give a fuck about anything or anyone but their own pocket, were the ones that wanted him elected the most.

The Papa Johns situation is a perfect example of this. This motherfucker owns a 40,000 square foot castle, yet hes now saying publicly hes going to cut his employees hours so they get under 30 a week in order to get out paying their healthcare. This is after he did the math and had said he could pay it if he raised his prices by 14 cents a pizza. We discussed this and my wifes uncle was just blown away by how stupid a move this was from a PR and business standpoint. He explained how it wouldve been smarter to just say "Hey, we are going to raise our pizza prices 14 cents, but it will help allow us to profide healthcare to millions of American workers." Who really gives a fuck about 14 cents??? Instead he comes off as a greedy uncaring scrooge like asshole. The bad publicity is sure to cost them a ton of business. I just dont get the mentality.

Going under 30 hours a week no longer helps businesses from having to pay for healthcare. Under the AHA, it counts total hours worked, not hours worked per employee. Two employees working 20 hours a week counts as one full time employee. If you employee 50 or more "employees" (2000 total hours worked a week, split up no matter under how many employees), you have to offer insurance to all your employees.

[underdog]

That business only makes about 3% profit according to some article I read somewhere and am currently too lazy to source. If their profit margins are indeed that slim reducing costs in this manner is de rigueur for large businesses. The reasoning is that if you know a specific resource is going to cost you more in the future than it does today you will try to avoid that cost. For growing businesses that often means adding contractors or off-shore people as opposed to hiring against a headcount, for existing/troubled businesses that means reducing staff to bring profits up enough to save the rest of the company.

Point is, healthcare is part of a number of problems that cause companies to avoid hiring full timers. In my experience there is little to no change pre and post Obamacare to that. I think we have a much bigger entitlement and education issue in this country when it relates to employees than we do a healthcare costs issue. Hiring a full time employee is like hiring a hand grenade. The pin may stay in and work well for 20 years getting a 5% raise every year, or the pin may get pulled and suddenly you're being held up for a 20% raise every year or IP walks.

Outside of completely idiotic comments made to the press this looks to me like the unfortunate and ugly but understandable portion of business nobody likes to talk about that their CEO for some reason decided would be best wrapped in a crazy political message.

looks like somewhere between 4 - 5% (http://ycharts.com/companies/PZZA/profit_margin)

Which is a pretty average profit margin for a company. If they were making a 10% profit margin, it would immediately be put back into the company.

[Snoogans]

Learned alot while talking to my wifes uncle today. He owns his own insurance business and is a self made millionaire. First thing I asked him...

"So is this re-election going to cost you alot of money?"

His answer? "Not really."

He explained how they already pay healthcare for their workers and how Obamacare will actually wind up benefitting him as his costs already go up 8-15% a year now. He doesnt expect it to make healthcare that much more affordable but capping what the insurance companies can make benefits the consumers overall. He voted for Obama.

Then he was telling me how all his clients HATE Obama. And the reason he was scared about this election was because even though he didnt know Romney personally, he knew plenty of his clients, people worth $30 and $40 million did know him and worked with him in the past. And he explained how the greediest ones, the ones that didnt give a fuck about anything or anyone but their own pocket, were the ones that wanted him elected the most.

The Papa Johns situation is a perfect example of this. This motherfucker owns a 40,000 square foot castle, yet hes now saying publicly hes going to cut his employees hours so they get under 30 a week in order to get out paying their healthcare. This is after he did the math and had said he could pay it if he raised his prices by 14 cents a pizza. We discussed this and my wifes uncle was just blown away by how stupid a move this was from a PR and business standpoint. He explained how it wouldve been smarter to just say "Hey, we are going to raise our pizza prices 14 cents, but it will help allow us to profide healthcare to millions of American workers." Who really gives a fuck about 14 cents??? Instead he comes off as a greedy uncaring scrooge like asshole. The bad publicity is sure to cost them a ton of business. I just dont get the mentality.

the best part is all these loons sayin they are gonna lay people off or cut hours in response to costs of something that hasnt even happened yet. Someone around here fired 3 people and said its cause obama is gonna raise his business taxes. BUT HE DIDNT DO IT. You are firing people on something that may not even happen.

Lets not mention the whole fact this guy runs a small business that would actually fall into tax BREAKS catagory

[Snoogans]

the other thing that pisses me off is, THESE RICH FUCKS DONT HAVE A BUSINESS WITHOUT THE PEOPLE. They act like they fuckin built this shit all up by themselves and they do everything they can to fuck the people who actually did most of the building. They should be HAPPY to offer their employees another benefit that can make them happier, better employees.

[Bob Impact]

looks like somewhere between 4 - 5% (http://ycharts.com/companies/PZZA/profit_margin)

Which is a pretty average profit margin for a company. If they were making a 10% profit margin, it would immediately be put back into the company.

No CEO has ever set a target of "pretty average" and kept their job very long. That said, I have nowhere near enough information to have an informed opinion about whether they're in the right or wrong on this.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

the other thing that pisses me off is, THESE RICH FUCKS DONT HAVE A BUSINESS WITHOUT THE PEOPLE. They act like they fuckin built this shit all up by themselves and they do everything they can to fuck the people who actually did most of the building. They should be HAPPY to offer their employees another benefit that can make them happier, better employees.

Some sort of blame should be put on the feds for not thinking or being naive that CEO's would find an end around to Obamacare. Not saying that its right or wrong per se but these businesses hire tons of tax lawyers and accountants just to find these loopholes/end arounds to that they dont have to comply


It will be the same for income taxes if they go back up to 39.5% There are going to be new deductions. They might be cunning vindictive SOB's but they arent stupid.


I'm sure you know Gary Johnsons views on Obamacare and especially taxes. He wants the 16th amendment repealed and migrate over to the fair tax.

[Bob Impact]

the other thing that pisses me off is, THESE RICH FUCKS DONT HAVE A BUSINESS WITHOUT THE PEOPLE. They act like they fuckin built this shit all up by themselves and they do everything they can to fuck the people who actually did most of the building. They should be HAPPY to offer their employees another benefit that can make them happier, better employees.

I don't disagree, but only from a management perspective. The first part of your argument boils down to chicken or the egg. Without the person who started the business nobody has a job at it, without the people doing the work the business doesn't succeed.

From a management view there's very little proven efficacy to increasing wages beyond what is considered reasonable for the market. In essence people want to get paid what they think is fair and you will get poor workers below that number, but once you hit and exceed whatever that amount is the influence of money on performance is less important (and in some cases inverted, where paying more results in worse performance). Once you get to that line autonomy and perks are more important to improving performance. Daniel Pink wrote a book called Drive! that's all about this. I started implementing some of those ideas with my teams and have seen huge improvements in productivity that we could have never gotten by just overpaying.

Obviously this gets lost in most large companies but the single most important thing I've found is exactly what you're getting at: As a boss I personally am invested in seeing my team succeed in their careers. As an employee my company is invested in MY success. Granted Software Development is far different than a fast food pizza restaurant, but just treating the guy at the bottom of the totem pole like they're important makes them act like they're important, which naturally leads to them BEING important.

[Melk]

I was looking forward to more use of coal energy. Shucks.
Neither party will openly admit that the coal industry is screwed. There are very, very few countries that want anything to do with the logistical and sanitary issues related with mining, transporting, and burning coal. I think the industry should be partially subsidized in the event that other energy sources begin to wain, but the coal industry, Mitt Romney, and Barack Obama are openly lying to each other about the viability of the industry.

Both parties refused to tell those coal miners that the industry cannot be saved due to the value of the coal miner vote.

[spoon]

asshole kids worldwide rejoice!

[epo]

I must say that there is nothing funnier than people spewing talking points about rising healthcare costs, then bashing the Affordable Care Act.

[spoon]

I must say that there is nothing funnier than people spewing talking points about rising healthcare costs, then bashing the Affordable Care Act.

no no epo, the rich will circumvent everything so do nothing...unless it's wonderboy Gary Johnson (GOP lite)

[Snoogans]

no no epo, the rich will circumvent everything so do nothing...unless it's wonderboy Gary Johnson (GOP lite)

in fairness, gary johnson wants to do alot of shit the GOP would find appauling. he is more like 50/50 dem repub. half and half

[spoon]

in fairness, gary johnson wants to do alot of shit the GOP would find appauling. he is more like 50/50 dem repub. half and half

yah but on taxes he's clearly GOP lite if not full

[Snoogans]

yah but on taxes he's clearly GOP lite if not full

i dont know how many GOP people would be on board with Fair Tax. they want their rich people to carry less of the burden, and fair tax, indirectly, will put MOST of the tax burden on the people who buy the most shit

[spoon]

i dont know how many GOP people would be on board with Fair Tax. they want their rich people to carry less of the burden, and fair tax, indirectly, will put MOST of the tax burden on the people who buy the most shit

yes, BUY the most shit...and there are countless ways around that

it's about income and money making money that the GOP wants to avoid, even though it's easy money as they manipulate currency, markets and commodities left and right

the cap gains tax being eliminated is the single biggest joke ever, and as I stated earlier this from a guy who has now made plenty in this market

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes, BUY the most shit...and there are countless ways around that

it's about income and money making money that the GOP wants to avoid, even though it's easy money as they manipulate currency, markets and commodities left and right

the cap gains tax being eliminated is the single biggest joke ever, and as I stated earlier this from a guy who has now made plenty in this market

What another ignorant comment. Yes the GOP is guilty however it's not like the Dems are at fault. Both parties work with government to manipulate those markets



Guess who manipulates currency and is a huge supporter of the Dems


Hint his name is spelled the same done backwards

[Bob Impact]

I must say that there is nothing funnier than people spewing talking points about rising healthcare costs, then bashing the Affordable Care Act.

Stick with me, i'm not just whining here:

Earlier this year I got my first cluster headache, since then i've endured two cycles of 8 weeks each of what are considered to be one of the most painful conditions a human being can endure. They have no risk of death except that many people commit suicide rather than face the next headache.

They feel like someone trying to ram a railroad spike down through the top of your head. The entire left side of my face droops when one is coming, during a cycle I am woken up every day at 3 AM with a headache.

I live my life during those 2 months in unrelenting fear of the next attack, outside of a cycle I live in fear of the next one. I have to plan my life around the headaches. By the time the end of the cycle comes around I've retracted from everyone around me, and when I do interact I'm a complete and utter asshole because I've either been in extreme pain very recently or I'm afraid of the next time i'm going to be. Nobody except my wife and doctor have seen me during an active headache, the pain is too humiliating.

There are a ton of treatments out there, but it's a crapshoot what will work for each person, if anything. Treatments can vary from reasonable to obscenely expensive, but none of that matters because I would gladly trade any one of my limbs if it meant a permanent cure.

Here's where I'm going with all of this...
I used to think healthcare was not a right. To be honest with you I still can't say that I think it IS, but regardless, the promise of ANY treatment working one day is the one thing I focus on to get me through a headache. That hope doesn't exist without access to medical professionals who can help. To think that there are a huge number of people out there who can't have that moment of solace, and much worse, that I have actually argued against it in the past, makes me fucking sick with myself.

I get all the arguments about not being able to pay, I don't have answers for that, maybe we cut the 1 trillion dollar defense budget, or maybe we just say "Fuck it", roll the dice and hope that we figure something out to pay for it all because the alternative just isn't worth the cost.

[spoon]

ignorant, but you fucking AGREE WITH IT YOU FUCK!?

you just took another twist stance on the Dems involvement, which wasn't the topic

we were actually TALKING about GOP tax/market stances tied to Johnson, so the Dem side wasn't in question or talked about

not one person said the dems and their big money isn't involved as well, just that they are IN FAVOR of closing such angles and manipulation you dolt.

again, you can't fucking focus and make STUPID fucking points not linked to the conversation at all outside your view on the OTHER SIDE. Wasn't the discussion, at all at that point, but yah, ignorant and bias is the shit you should just keep repeating at others.

Thanks oooooooh so much on the hint about a guy nobody argued a fucking thing about...at all. You couldn't be more of an idiot.

OOof.
:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You just bring up the evil GOP . That's being one sided. I am pointing out both sides of being shills for the banks and how both sides grease the palms of the politicians and how they send their lobbyists to DC


I see both sides are fucking people over

[Kevin]

You just bring up the evil GOP . That's being one sided. I am pointing out both sides of being shills for the banks and how both sides grease the palms of the politicians and how they send their lobbyists to DC


I see both sides are fucking people over

It's not even close.

Dems are Saints compared to Republicans at this point.

I can't think of a single thing that Republicans stand for that's productive or something not bullshit self serving or damaging to many things.

Are Dems perfect? Of course not, then but it's not even close

[spoon]

You just bring up the evil GOP . That's being one sided. I am pointing out both sides of being shills for the banks and how both sides grease the palms of the politicians and how they send their lobbyists to DC


I see both sides are fucking people over

Who said they FUCKING WEREN'T?! Do you not follow that?! Do you not follow conversation and the thread posts?! If EVER a point is made in here that doesn't give some bullshit you read on said topic, or anything close, you chime in as if the poster is on the OTHER side of said topic...completely OFF TOPIC.

That doesn't make your point. That doesn't make one ignorant. It means you're fucking all over the place and the one completely off the topic and showing bias you fuck!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I follow everything but you don't point out the policies and theories by the Dems. I at least criticize the excessive war spending and bloated pentagon budgets . Think we are at this point just from only the shit from 2000 and beyond?

Hate to break the news to you but this has been a slow steady fall from at least 100 years ago from everything ranging to the progressive income tax to the creation of the federal reserve to the new deal great society, Vietnam, cutting taxes while 2 wars were going on ,bailouts quantitative easing and every other way of government inserting itself in our lives that is outside its limits.


Want to Blame Bush? Fine he's partly at fault but you can blame his predecessors and put heat on Obama who keeps riding that wave

[spoon]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh1nk9x8PV1qbqjgao1_500.gif

seriously, 95% of the shit you just said is just out of nowhere and makes no sense to the topics at hand and who the fuck knows the poster belief breakdown on more than half of it since it's completely out of nowhere

nobody made such claims that this is just now, noboby stated it was from 2000 on, and your look back to some policy of 100 years past is comical at best

you simply have no ability to follow a conversation and love to randomly switch gears and put words into people's mouths OUT OF NOWHERE!

Here WF, I HATE NAFTA, CAFTA, deregulation, religion, the extreme right wing, the extreme left wing, the yankees, the raiders, the fighting irish, the red wings, hypocrites, italian wedding soup, diet soda, Kevin Costner, Nicolas Cage, tacos without cheese ....enough random topics for you?

Now you go! Have fun scatterfuckfool.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

All of it makes sense but this childish view of only Bush being the villain is just ignorant and naive.

[spoon]

All of it makes sense but this childish view of only Bush being the villain is just ignorant and naive.

one that nobody expressed, much less he was a fucking pawn

good point idiot

[spoon]

All of it makes sense...

So, did you know chicken soup doesn't just have chicken in it!? Makes sense too, as much as your random points throughout this conversation.

[Kevin]

Did you know that a woodchuck is made of 0 percent wood? Who knew?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So, did you know chicken soup doesn't just have chicken in it!? Makes sense too, as much as your random points throughout this conversation.



No I didn't . I needed the govt to tell me that. Just like having them say that some concoction of tomato paste on a frozen pizza is a vegetable

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Did you know that a woodchuck is made of 0 percent wood? Who knew?


Did you know Neil Diamond isn't made of Diamonds?

[underdog]

No CEO has ever set a target of "pretty average" and kept their job very long. That said, I have nowhere near enough information to have an informed opinion about whether they're in the right or wrong on this.

Apparently you missed the 2nd part of my comment.

If a company has a higher profit margin, they usually pump it right back into the company. Having a 10% profit margin doesn't mean the CEO and the board get to keep it. It's just money that's sitting out there. They pump it back into the company, whether with expansion or higher salaries for the executive or workers. This then makes the profit margin go way down, closer to 5%.

Small, private, non-incorporated companies may run higher than that, as the owner just keeps the profit. But a large, incorporated company? That money is spent.

[spoon]

Apparently you missed the 2nd part of my comment.

If a company has a higher profit margin, they usually pump it right back into the company. Having a 10% profit margin doesn't mean the CEO and the board get to keep it. It's just money that's sitting out there. They pump it back into the company, whether with expansion or higher salaries for the executive or workers. This then makes the profit margin go way down, closer to 5%.

Small, private, non-incorporated companies may run higher than that, as the owner just keeps the profit. But a large, incorporated company? That money is spent.

plenty of companies have huge reserves/capital

it's not always just rolled right back in to anything...in fact, I'd argue most of the time it isn't

[Bob Impact]

plenty of companies have huge reserves/capital

it's not always just rolled right back in to anything...in fact, I'd argue most of the time it isn't

This is true. It's also pushed out to dividends and short term investments, which is why Cash on hand is another critical indicator for companies, another place where Papa Johns is middle of the pack in their sector.

All I'm saying is that the actions Papa Johns is taking aren't crazy, even if the reasoning is.

[underdog]

plenty of companies have huge reserves/capital

it's not always just rolled right back in to anything...in fact, I'd argue most of the time it isn't

Every company I've worked for (they've been expanding companies, so perhaps my view is warped) has put their "margin" back into the business, either as investments, improvements or salaries. I can't imagine Papa Johns sitting on huge reserve. It serves them no purpose. I would assume they use virtually all their extra margin to expand or get bigger pay days, hence the 5% or under. Anytime they have extra money, they're doing the only things their company can do with the money; expand or pay their executives more.

I guess maybe they'd build a reserve in order to buy a competitor, but I think only Dominoes is their real competitor.

Jesus, you know what, I'm no WF. I'll admit when I'm wrong. I was way off on this. I just looked up Domino's profit, and it's sitting near 30%. That seems RIDICULOUSLY high, but even other companies are over 10%.

I was wrong and I should feel bad. I'm not even erasing any of the garbage I had already typed.

[MHasegawa]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh1nk9x8PV1qbqjgao1_500.gif

seriously, 95% of the shit you just said is just out of nowhere and makes no sense to the topics at hand and who the fuck knows the poster belief breakdown on more than half of it since it's completely out of nowhere

nobody made such claims that this is just now, noboby stated it was from 2000 on, and your look back to some policy of 100 years past is comical at best

you simply have no ability to follow a conversation and love to randomly switch gears and put words into people's mouths OUT OF NOWHERE!

Here WF, I HATE NAFTA, CAFTA, deregulation, religion, the extreme right wing, the extreme left wing, the yankees, the raiders, the fighting irish, the red wings, hypocrites, italian wedding soup, diet soda, Kevin Costner, Nicolas Cage, tacos without cheese ....enough random topics for you?

Now you go! Have fun scatterfuckfool.



No hate for the jew??

[Kevin]

No hate for the jew??


Well...

That goes without the need to be said...

:wink:

[cougarjake13]

everytime I see the thread title I think it's about the stupid show west wing

[spoon]

Every company I've worked for (they've been expanding companies, so perhaps my view is warped) has put their "margin" back into the business, either as investments, improvements or salaries. I can't imagine Papa Johns sitting on huge reserve. It serves them no purpose. I would assume they use virtually all their extra margin to expand or get bigger pay days, hence the 5% or under. Anytime they have extra money, they're doing the only things their company can do with the money; expand or pay their executives more.

I guess maybe they'd build a reserve in order to buy a competitor, but I think only Dominoes is their real competitor.

Jesus, you know what, I'm no WF. I'll admit when I'm wrong. I was way off on this. I just looked up Domino's profit, and it's sitting near 30%. That seems RIDICULOUSLY high, but even other companies are over 10%.

I was wrong and I should feel bad. I'm not even erasing any of the garbage I had already typed.

UD, it's how we all learn and expand our knowledge. No big deal as you wrote what you believed and some showed it was off. I only get this bc in my industry cash/capital is a huge upside in the company's flexibility to outright buy/acquire what they need, when they need it, and it has a HUGE impact on the stock price/dividends. So some of what you talk of is right in giving back, yet a lot isn't immediate (acquisitions/investments and dividends) over time.

[spoon]

No hate for the jew??

that's kevin

[spoon]

Well...

That goes without the need to be said...

:wink:

and there you go

[TripleSkeet]

This is true. It's also pushed out to dividends and short term investments, which is why Cash on hand is another critical indicator for companies, another place where Papa Johns is middle of the pack in their sector.

All I'm saying is that the actions Papa Johns is taking aren't crazy, even if the reasoning is.

To be honest, the crazy part for me wasnt that Papa Johns was talking about cutting back hours to try and avoid paying healthcare, it was the fact he felt the need to say this publicly when he had already gone on record as saying they could completely pass the cost on by raising the price of their pizzas 11-14 cents. From purely a business standpoint I find this to be beyond dumb.

I know you think alot of people dont care when it comes to this, and personally Ive always said this country is way to lazy and selfish to really boycott anything, but I really feel with this its an issue that can hurt them. Simply because there are SO many choices out there for what they sell. Pizza places are everywhere. Ive lost count of the comments Ive seen on FB where they just said "Oh well, looks like Ill just throw that menu out." making it pretty easy to boycott their product. I myself have a bag with about 25 pizza places that deliver to my area. If I want to boycott a place I toss the menu and POOF my business to them is gone.

[TripleSkeet]

I don't disagree, but only from a management perspective. The first part of your argument boils down to chicken or the egg. Without the person who started the business nobody has a job at it, without the people doing the work the business doesn't succeed.

From a management view there's very little proven efficacy to increasing wages beyond what is considered reasonable for the market. In essence people want to get paid what they think is fair and you will get poor workers below that number, but once you hit and exceed whatever that amount is the influence of money on performance is less important (and in some cases inverted, where paying more results in worse performance). Once you get to that line autonomy and perks are more important to improving performance. Daniel Pink wrote a book called Drive! that's all about this. I started implementing some of those ideas with my teams and have seen huge improvements in productivity that we could have never gotten by just overpaying.

Obviously this gets lost in most large companies but the single most important thing I've found is exactly what you're getting at: As a boss I personally am invested in seeing my team succeed in their careers. As an employee my company is invested in MY success. Granted Software Development is far different than a fast food pizza restaurant, but just treating the guy at the bottom of the totem pole like they're important makes them act like they're important, which naturally leads to them BEING important.

Brilliant. Its also amazing how some of these big companies forgot what helped them get that big. I can give one prime example. I worked for Dave and Busters for 10 years. When I started there in 1994 they had a total of 5 stores. 2 in Dallas, 1 in Houston, 1 in Atlanta and 1 in Philly. The company was small but already worth millions. They had 500 employees just at our Philly store. The first 5 years I was there, they treated their employees just like a mom and pop type place would.

Vacations would go like this: After 1 year you got 1 week paid. After 2 years you got 2 weeks paid. After 5 years you got 3 weeks paid.

Christmas bonuses would be an envelope of cash that would increase according to how many years you were at the company.

2 Christmas and Summer parties for employees each year (on adjacent days so if you were guaranteed to be off for at least one) along with an employee Halloween party. All open bar.

Company sponsored softball, soccer, and billiards teams for employees.

They had a healthcare plan for anyone working over 30 hours a week.

I would personally see Buster fly up from Dallas for meetings with his management team go around talking to busboys, waiters, bartenders and barbacks thanking them for the great job they were doing and pat them on the back. It was some incredibly impressive shit.

This company had some of the most loyal and hardworking people Id ever seen working there. They took legitimate pride in the store, how it looked and how it ran. Ive never seen a bar whos employees were so proud of their work, and still havent in the 18 years since I started. Ive also never seen a bar where employees moved up so quickly and stayed employed there for so long. The bar business usually has a high turnover rate, especially chain restaurants. At one point our bar staff had 22 people on it, 20 of which had been employed there 8 years or more. Astounding. It showed in the business too. The place was packed every night with an awesome crowd of people. A bartender and waiters dream crowd. It was a real hot spot.

In I believe 2001 the company went public and downhill it went. At this point I dont know how many stores they had but it was a shitload. They were making more money than ever. Our store had just broken sales records 3 years in a row. Then policies started changing.

Vacations now were earned by hours worked over the course of the year. The math worked out to the point where you had to work 40 hours a week, for 52 weeks to earn one week of paid vacation. Most bar employees will tell you thats near impossible. Most bar employees dont usually work more than 35 hours a week simply because of the time of their shifts and the fact overtime is not allowed.

Christmas bonuses were now a D & B Power Card worth about $20 of free games.

No more Halloween or Christmas parties. The summer party would be one night, and it was cash bar.

In order to be eligible for healthcare you had to work over 35 hours a week. EVERY week. Again, something that was just rare.

The company still sponsored a softball team, but nothing else. And even that had to be fought for.

Upper management pretty much ignored any employees but the GM, AGM and line managers when visiting.

Everything became about the almighty bottom line. They lowered their standards dramatically. Changed their rules. Got rid of their dress code. Let anyone in for fear of losing out on that last nickel. While Im sure they still do quite well I can tell you employee morale their blows. I still have many friends that work there and they hate it. The clientele is pretty much all trash. Management never backs them up on any issue they have, and all of their perks are gone. Even though its not my company or my money it actually pains me to see how a company that was run so admirably and with such care for their employees have dropped into the greedy corporate mindset of most other big businesses. Its really sad.

[Bob Impact]

Getting the Dave and Buster's gift card as a bonus is the most insulting shit I've heard in a while.

I'm a fairly hardcore capitalist but I still can't wrap my head around why public ownership of corporations is good. To have a company that is obligated to grow every quarter is insane, it forces companies into these situations, no choice but to grow until you're over extended and have lost the core values that got you there because they're antithetical to pumping the maximum amount of cash through the place to hit your next monthly goal.

[Colin Quinn]
But enough about congress.

Anyway...
[/Colin Quinn]

[PapaBear]

Don't you get almost $20 in free games at D&B's just for buying a meal? I agree. It's insulting.

[booster11373]

ALL CHRISTIANS ARE CRAZY but do the crazy right wing ones get super excited when Israel and the Palestinians start to escalate like the current crisis

I mean they want stuff like this right?

[hanso]

ALL CHRISTIANS ARE CRAZY but do the crazy right wing ones get super excited when Israel and the Palestinians start to escalate like the current crisis

I mean they want stuff like this right?

Yep Bush had said so and maybe Reagan also along with many others.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I love seeing old white Dinosaurs spouting out Free Palestine along with naive college students when most of them dont know that the Palistineans never existed

[TripleSkeet]

Don't you get almost $20 in free games at D&B's just for buying a meal? I agree. It's insulting.

Pretty much. The year before I had gotten $250 in cash in an envelope. (I had been there 7 years)

[hanso]

My Gov. got run out over this yours can too.(by his own party)

Here comes the backlash for showing bipartisanship.

Rupert Murdoch Commands Chris Christie: Recommit To Romney Or Else

http://www.newshounds.us/rupert_murdoch_commands_chris_christie_recommit_to _romney_or_else_11032012

A few days after Hurricane Sandy shattered the shores of New Jersey, Gov. Chris Christie picked up the phone to take on a different kind of recovery work: taming the Republican Party fury over his effusive embrace of President Obama.

On Nov. 3, Mr. Christie called Rupert Murdoch, the influential News Corporation chief and would-be kingmaker, who had warned in a biting post on Twitter that the governor might be responsible for Mr. Obama’s re-election.

Mr. Christie told Mr. Murdoch that amid the devastation, New Jersey needed friends, no matter their political party, according to people briefed on the discussion. But Mr. Murdoch was blunt: Mr. Christie risked looking like a spoiler unless he publicly affirmed his support for Mitt Romney, something the governor did the next day.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/us/politics/after-embrace-of-obama-chris-christie-woos-a-wary-gop.html?pagewanted=all&src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB

[NickyL0885]

I see Dave and Buster's mentioned. I makes me angry about CVS. They care more about money than employee safety. During the recent snow storm after the hurricane, I was the only person besides my manager to show up, b/c I am loyal to a fault. I told her, bluntly b/c we barely had customers, "does the company care more about making money than us being safe? No one needs to be out in this weather". She said how we need to be available for people to get their meds. People in my store are never happy. Morale is crap, but they try strong arming people into doing things, instead of making it a good atmosphere. My supervisor and I talked about it tonight. Reason why we don't get great customer satisfaction scores and such is b/c employees are not happy. I make $9.20/hr, and that extra $.20 was my "raise" of being their 1 year. 2% raise for hard work. I will miss Thanksgiving yet again this year to work. Pharmacy closes early at 2pm, but the rest of the store? Regular store hours, 7am-10pm. Why? So some douche can buy tin foil at 8pm? Why be open? They NEVER close for any holiday. Christmas, they close at 8pm. That's it. They treat their employees like such crap.

[PapaBear]

Yeah, but they have the cheapest smokes in town.:smoke:

[TripleSkeet]

I see Dave and Buster's mentioned. I makes me angry about CVS. They care more about money than employee safety. During the recent snow storm after the hurricane, I was the only person besides my manager to show up, b/c I am loyal to a fault. I told her, bluntly b/c we barely had customers, "does the company care more about making money than us being safe? No one needs to be out in this weather". She said how we need to be available for people to get their meds. People in my store are never happy. Morale is crap, but they try strong arming people into doing things, instead of making it a good atmosphere. My supervisor and I talked about it tonight. Reason why we don't get great customer satisfaction scores and such is b/c employees are not happy. I make $9.20/hr, and that extra $.20 was my "raise" of being their 1 year. 2% raise for hard work. I will miss Thanksgiving yet again this year to work. Pharmacy closes early at 2pm, but the rest of the store? Regular store hours, 7am-10pm. Why? So some douche can buy tin foil at 8pm? Why be open? They NEVER close for any holiday. Christmas, they close at 8pm. That's it. They treat their employees like such crap.

Funny, thats a Dave and Busters staple too. They never close. Christmas Eve they close at 4pm. Christmas Day and Thanksgiving they open at 4pm.

When we would get hit with blizzards they had to get permission from someone in DALLAS in order for us to close, and they would usually make us stay open way too late. During the blizzard of 96 they waited so long to close 3 managers were stuck in the building for 2 1/2 days. At one point the giant spinning sign they have out front collapsed right in the middle of the street.

Its weird that when people ask "Where were you during 9/11?" My answer is "I was home, but I had to get ready to go into work that night."

[PapaBear]

FUCK! Even my Walmart shut down on 9/11! I don't know if they actually shut the doors, but they sent home all of the employees who were "non essential". I think that boiled down to everyone but some management. I doubt they'd do the same thing again, though. From what I understand, they are a MUCH worse employer now, than they were in '01.

[Bob Impact]

I see Dave and Buster's mentioned. I makes me angry about CVS. They care more about money than employee safety. During the recent snow storm after the hurricane, I was the only person besides my manager to show up, b/c I am loyal to a fault. I told her, bluntly b/c we barely had customers, "does the company care more about making money than us being safe? No one needs to be out in this weather". She said how we need to be available for people to get their meds. People in my store are never happy. Morale is crap, but they try strong arming people into doing things, instead of making it a good atmosphere. My supervisor and I talked about it tonight. Reason why we don't get great customer satisfaction scores and such is b/c employees are not happy. I make $9.20/hr, and that extra $.20 was my "raise" of being their 1 year. 2% raise for hard work. I will miss Thanksgiving yet again this year to work. Pharmacy closes early at 2pm, but the rest of the store? Regular store hours, 7am-10pm. Why? So some douche can buy tin foil at 8pm? Why be open? They NEVER close for any holiday. Christmas, they close at 8pm. That's it. They treat their employees like such crap.

I know someone whos worked for them for a long time that said basically the same thing, it's apparently a really tough company to work for.

That said, I kinda do agree with the "we need to be open in case people need medication" stance. I worked at a smaller chain (Brooks) when I was younger, granted it was 16 years ago at this point, but I seem to remember there being all kinds of regulation related to the pharmacy/when the store could and could not be open as well.

[hanso]

This is the norm low wages and raises but blame the unions right?

[Dude!]

I see Dave and Buster's mentioned. I makes me angry about CVS. They care more about money than employee safety. During the recent snow storm after the hurricane, I was the only person besides my manager to show up, b/c I am loyal to a fault. I told her, bluntly b/c we barely had customers, "does the company care more about making money than us being safe? No one needs to be out in this weather". She said how we need to be available for people to get their meds. People in my store are never happy. Morale is crap, but they try strong arming people into doing things, instead of making it a good atmosphere. My supervisor and I talked about it tonight. Reason why we don't get great customer satisfaction scores and such is b/c employees are not happy. I make $9.20/hr, and that extra $.20 was my "raise" of being their 1 year. 2% raise for hard work. I will miss Thanksgiving yet again this year to work. Pharmacy closes early at 2pm, but the rest of the store? Regular store hours, 7am-10pm. Why? So some douche can buy tin foil at 8pm? Why be open? They NEVER close for any holiday. Christmas, they close at 8pm. That's it. They treat their employees like such crap.

that attitude fully explains
why you haven't gotten
and won't get
a really good job

[spoon]

I know someone whos worked for them for a long time that said basically the same thing, it's apparently a really tough company to work for.

That said, I kinda do agree with the "we need to be open in case people need medication" stance. I worked at a smaller chain (Brooks) when I was younger, granted it was 16 years ago at this point, but I seem to remember there being all kinds of regulation related to the pharmacy/when the store could and could not be open as well.

yet they pay their pill counters (Pharmacists) 150k right out of school

[TripleSkeet]

that attitude fully explains
why you haven't gotten
and won't get
a really good job

Why? Because he doesnt want to work Christmas or Thanksgiving? Or because he doesnt think much of a 20 cent raise?

Personally I wish states would take Maines lead and force stores to be closed on Thanksgiving. Its complete bullshit that people have to leave their family dinner to go to work that day. I understand the jobs that are essential, cops, nurses, firemen. Thats something thats just expected when going into that line of work. Theres no reason for places like CVS and Walmart top be open on Thanksgiving. Wait a few extra hours and get all your money on Black Friday like you have every other year. If for no other reason than out of respect for your employees and their families. Its disgusting.

Im lucky now that my bartending job is unionized, and I get 6 shifts a year I can call out without any repercussions. So whenever the Sixers or Flyers decide to play a game on Halloween, Easter, Christmas or New Years....CALL OUT. Im not missing holidays with my kids for a day of work. Fuck that. When I was young and single and didnt have kids I would volunteer to work those shifts so my co workers with children didnt have to, now its my turn to make sure I dont miss the things that really matter in life.

[NickyL0885]

that attitude fully explains
why you haven't gotten
and won't get
a really good job

I refuse to be sucked into your BS.

[spoon]

Why? Because he doesnt want to work Christmas or Thanksgiving? Or because he doesnt think much of a 20 cent raise?

Personally I wish states would take Maines lead and force stores to be closed on Thanksgiving. Its complete bullshit that people have to leave their family dinner to go to work that day. I understand the jobs that are essential, cops, nurses, firemen. Thats something thats just expected when going into that line of work. Theres no reason for places like CVS and Walmart top be open on Thanksgiving. Wait a few extra hours and get all your money on Black Friday like you have every other year. If for no other reason than out of respect for your employees and their families. Its disgusting.

Im lucky now that my bartending job is unionized, and I get 6 shifts a year I can call out without any repercussions. So whenever the Sixers or Flyers decide to play a game on Halloween, Easter, Christmas or New Years....CALL OUT. Im not missing holidays with my kids for a day of work. Fuck that. When I was young and single and didnt have kids I would volunteer to work those shifts so my co workers with children didnt have to, now its my turn to make sure I dont miss the things that really matter in life.

no no, american dream baby

fuck everyone, their personal lives and most of all the families they are there for in the first place

it's amazing just how insensitive and greedy some could be, and this seems to be the norm in this country these days

we work longer, harder, with less breaks, terrible work-life balance and all for less every year...but this is bc of taxes and regulation? yet the owners/rich/"job creators" have an ever increasing disproportionate share of the wealth, pay less in taxes and of course cry for help and blame the increasing problems on the poor on the government. they keep reducing wages, rights, vacation, healthcare (wonder why we need a public option) for the few jobs they can't ship somewhere else for pennies on the dollar. but yah, tell me again how shitty pizza has to go up 17 cents a pie and you can't give healthcare to the schlubs who toil in your shit business for shit pay

[spoon]

I refuse to be sucked into your BS.

bullshit, it's awesome to kick around a fuckwad like dude

frankly I'm surprised he can read

[NickyL0885]

no no, american dream baby

fuck everyone, their personal lives and most of all the families they are there for in the first place

it's amazing just how insensitive and greedy some could be, and this seems to be the norm in this country these days

we work longer, harder, with less breaks, terrible work-life balance and all for less every year...but this is bc of taxes and regulation? yet the owners/rich/"job creators" have an ever increasing disproportionate share of the wealth, pay less in taxes and of course cry for help and blame the increasing problems on the poor on the government. they keep reducing wages, rights, vacation, healthcare (wonder why we need a public option) for the few jobs they can't ship somewhere else for pennies on the dollar. but yah, tell me again how shitty pizza has to go up 17 cents a pie and you can't give healthcare to the schlubs who toil in your shit business for shit pay

More and more makes me want to go to Europe and live there. Most countries have mandatory vacation days for workers, they don't work as much as us either. Not to mention, the health care is way better.

[underdog]

Why? Because he doesnt want to work Christmas or Thanksgiving? Or because he doesnt think much of a 20 cent raise?

Personally I wish states would take Maines lead and force stores to be closed on Thanksgiving. Its complete bullshit that people have to leave their family dinner to go to work that day. I understand the jobs that are essential, cops, nurses, firemen. Thats something thats just expected when going into that line of work. Theres no reason for places like CVS and Walmart top be open on Thanksgiving. Wait a few extra hours and get all your money on Black Friday like you have every other year. If for no other reason than out of respect for your employees and their families. Its disgusting.

Im lucky now that my bartending job is unionized, and I get 6 shifts a year I can call out without any repercussions. So whenever the Sixers or Flyers decide to play a game on Halloween, Easter, Christmas or New Years....CALL OUT. Im not missing holidays with my kids for a day of work. Fuck that. When I was young and single and didnt have kids I would volunteer to work those shifts so my co workers with children didnt have to, now its my turn to make sure I dont miss the things that really matter in life.

I agree with you mostly, but having a pharmacy open on Holidays probably isn't a bad idea.

[spoon]

I agree with you mostly, but having a pharmacy open on Holidays probably isn't a bad idea.

nah, that's what an er is for...if you somehow need meds on ONE day here and there you need a new calendar app for your phone

[Kevin]

I am getting some really scary ideology and thinking coming out of Jews these days.

I have read up on history and get that Palestinians lost most of the land in wars that they started.

But this dangerous thinking of Jews right now is just frighting


These are quotes from one of my Jewish FB friends..

" I would want it filled with Israeli citizens with the palestinians living in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt or any other country they want. I want the 67 borders back. They gave up land based on a faux peace deal. They should take it all and dare countries to come and get it. Have you ever seen pictures of Gush Katif before it was looted and ransacked by the animals of Gaza? It was vibrant and beautiful. It's the difference between a civilized people and the mongrels that currently reside there."

I think there is another man who thought that a certain people were animals and wanted them off their lands.

He said this early

"“The internal expurgation of the Jewish spirit is not possible in any platonic way. For the Jewish spirit is the product of the Jewish person. Unless we expel the Jewish people. Unless we expel the Jewish people soon, they will have judaized our people within a very short time.”

- Jackel, Hitler's Worldview, p. 52; from a speech at Nuremberg, January 13, 1923"

And he wanted to do this to them.

Another quote from a friend.

"I haven't been as clear as I would like so I am letting Samuel from the bible express my real feelings: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

I do agree that you probably will never be able to live together. However this is still very dangerous thinking especially from [people who have suffered immensely in the past from the same dangerous thinking

I want Serbs of North Kosovo out too because they are nothing but a destructive force and have no claim to my lands and lost it in wars, but I can't go as far as forcing them back to Serbia or Russia where they are really from. It's just too dangerous of a ideology..

Once you are born in a land you have just as much right to live there as anyone else, history or not.

I guess man is shit whoever it is..

[spoon]

bottom line, fuck the bible your pal is hiding behind bc it leads so many to somehow believe every evil they say and do is justified

sure as shit the other side is convincing themselves the opposite and hence the ever lasting cycle of war, death, famine and anger. the real way to end this shit is for people to completely stop thinking any race, color and surely religion is any better than the other. they're all fucking ludicrous propositions of fantasy and control overall...and allow for people like your buddy to think such awful thoughts regardless of how right or wrong the other side is.

[Kevin]

bottom line, fuck the bible your pal is hiding behind bc it leads so many to somehow believe every evil they say and do is justified

sure as shit the other side is convincing themselves the opposite and hence the ever lasting cycle of war, death, famine and anger. the real way to end this shit is for people to completely stop thinking any race, color and surely religion is any better than the other. they're all fucking ludicrous propositions of fantasy and control overall...and allow for people like your buddy to think such awful thoughts regardless of how right or wrong the other side is.

This is why I stopped believing in any religion, any "good book" that can spew such evil (Koran and Torah have it too) I can not follow a premise or thinking that it built.

[NickyL0885]

I agree with you mostly, but having a pharmacy open on Holidays probably isn't a bad idea.

But it's only open until 2pm. The rest of the store stays open until 10pm.

[underdog]

nah, that's what an er is for...if you somehow need meds on ONE day here and there you need a new calendar app for your phone

But it's only open until 2pm. The rest of the store stays open until 10pm.

Then I agree with spoon.

[spoon]

Then I agree with spoon.

hey, we're 2 for 4309!

:tongue:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The same people bitching about religion killing people never cease to amaze me on their silence about people being killed in the name of the state.


Over 100 million last century

[spoon]

The same people bitching about religion killing people never cease to amaze me on their silence about people being killed in the name of the state.


Over 100 million last century

you're an idiot

just bc it isn't the topic, it doesn't even begin to describe anyone's position on what you speak of any more than if someone likes the wii u or a ps3 more

you're a fucking fool

[Kevin]

I don't dont believe in religion because of the killings

I don't believe in religion because I am a rational adult and when i read each book and its sayings its more fiction and fairytale than fucking harry potter.

It comes down to 3 big things for me.

The stories are nonsense and poorly constructed

It comes down to what is is? DO WE HAVE FREE WILL OR DON'T WE?

And why is God basically Kim Kardashian where he or she demands you pay attention and worship him or her all the time?

How about you spend that time where you pray 5 times a day or go to houses of worship and actually go to a soup kitchen or donate something. Help fucking someone.

Its utter nonsense.

I am not an atheist, i believe there is something out there, but not any of that noise.

[spoon]

I don't dont believe in religion because of the killings

I don't believe in religion because I am a rational adult and when i read each book and its sayings its more fiction and fairytale than fucking harry potter.

It comes down to 3 big things for me.

The stories are nonsense and poorly constructed

It comes down to what is is? DO WE HAVE FREE WILL OR DON'T WE?

And why is God basically Kim Kardashian where he or she demands you pay attention and worship him or her all the time?

How about you spend that time where you pray 5 times a day or go to houses of worship and actually go to a soup kitchen or donate something. Help fucking someone.

Its utter nonsense.

I am not an atheist, i believe there is something out there, but not any of that noise.

so your silence on the Sandusky case means what? just trying out how WF thinks

:wink:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you're an idiot

just bc it isn't the topic, it doesn't even begin to describe anyone's position on what you speak of any more than if someone likes the wii u or a ps3 more

you're a fucking fool

Thats your MO you only bring 1 side all the time and you constantly show either your ignorance or lack of knowing that millions of people have died because someone who think's he's a living god can wipe out millions of people.

Sure religion played a key in wars and oppression but I acknowledge that.


So are you an Atheist or is it your Objection to organized religion? I have my doubts on religion in general but people should be allowed to be a Muslim, Jew, Christian wiccan etc.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't dont believe in religion because of the killings

I don't believe in religion because I am a rational adult and when i read each book and its sayings its more fiction and fairytale than fucking harry potter.

It comes down to 3 big things for me.

The stories are nonsense and poorly constructed

It comes down to what is is? DO WE HAVE FREE WILL OR DON'T WE?

And why is God basically Kim Kardashian where he or she demands you pay attention and worship him or her all the time?

How about you spend that time where you pray 5 times a day or go to houses of worship and actually go to a soup kitchen or donate something. Help fucking someone.

Its utter nonsense.

I am not an atheist, i believe there is something out there, but not any of that noise.

And I agree with those points, However People who claim there is no god or supreme being are practicing the same close mindness that they criticize believers in.


Ive taken the approach that it is possible that there is a god. I'm not sure but I am not going to say that it doesn't exist.

[hanso]

http://i47.tinypic.com/33yszlv.jpg

No dap from his party yes john the norm is crazy in your party.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://i47.tinypic.com/33yszlv.jpg

No dap from his party yes john the norm is crazy in your party.



Whose party? I'm not a republican?


I believe in evolution , agree that the earth is more than 6000 years old and aware that the earths climate is cyclical

However I don't look to the govt to lecture me on lightbulbs. Those fuckers can't even manage a budget, now they are quasi scientists

[sailor]

Whose party? I'm not a republican?


I believe in evolution , agree that the earth is more than 6000 years old and aware that the earths climate is cyclical

However I don't look to the govt to lecture me on lightbulbs. Those fuckers can't even manage a budget, now they are quasi scientists

Huntsman's party.

[Bob Impact]

And I agree with those points, However People who claim there is no god or supreme being are practicing the same close mindness that they criticize believers in.

No, they aren't and this thinking is based on religious people pushing their own baggage onto other people or Anti-theists who are are generally just mad at daddy. Atheism doesn't force you to take leaps of faith, nor does it demand that you remain committed to some type of dogma, save what is demonstrably true. In other words, I refuse to change my mind because there is no evidence of god. If evidence were to come forward that there is indeed a god I would simply readjust my beliefs to coincide with my updated perspective on a reality that remains as constant as it was before I knew about god. It would just be universe + god at that point.

[hanso]

Whose party? I'm not a republican?


I believe in evolution , agree that the earth is more than 6000 years old and aware that the earths climate is cyclical

However I don't look to the govt to lecture me on lightbulbs. Those fuckers can't even manage a budget, now they are quasi scientists

The lightbulb has the same base from the time of Edison. I do not think you favor evolution.

[TripleSkeet]

No, they aren't and this thinking is based on religious people pushing their own baggage onto other people or Anti-theists who are are generally just mad at daddy. Atheism doesn't force you to take leaps of faith, nor does it demand that you remain committed to some type of dogma, save what is demonstrably true. In other words, I refuse to change my mind because there is no evidence of god. If evidence were to come forward that there is indeed a god I would simply readjust my beliefs to coincide with my updated perspective on a reality that remains as constant as it was before I knew about god. It would just be universe + god at that point.

Personally I consider myself a Christian that would rather follow the teachings of Jesus and ignore the "interpretation" of his word and Gods word that men have decided on. That being said Im not a fan of anyone that belittles another for what they believe in as long as that belief doesnt hurt or hinder someone else. This goes for Christians, Muslims, Jews and Atheists as well. It just takes an immense sense of arrogance to say you KNOW for a fact how we got here and why.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The lightbulb has the same base from the time of Edison. I do not think you favor evolution.

Cars have GPS, Satellite radio etc but at its very core many still have internal combustion engines

[spoon]

Cars have GPS, Satellite radio etc but at its very core many still have internal combustion engines

wf's version of wind power/the value of his points...

http://i2.asntown.net/9/south_park_fart.gif

two guesses as to how gps and sat radio came about in the long run WF?

[hanso]

Cars have GPS, Satellite radio etc but at its very core many still have internal combustion engines

You shun waste yet decry innovation

[WRESTLINGFAN]

wf's version of wind power/the value of his points...

http://i2.asntown.net/9/south_park_fart.gif

two guesses as to how gps and sat radio came about in the long run WF?

This is why you cant be taken seriously. What are you 12 ?


Yes I know how those components originated, However it was the private sector that was able to make those products available for use.

[spoon]

This is why you cant be taken seriously. What are you 12 ?


Yes I know how those components originated, However it was the private sector that was able to make those products available for use.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79t85cHaj1ro0q3co1_1280.gif

[hanso]

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Don't hurt Gods feelings leave that valve to the 500 lbs LP tank open

[KnoxHarrington]

Don't hurt Gods feelings leave that valve to the 500 lbs LP tank open

If you still needed proof that the right wing is all about getting rubes to believe getting fucked over by huge corporations is their Christian duty, there you go.

[brettmojo]

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Don't hurt Gods feelings leave that valve to the 500 lbs LP tank open

Since fossil fuels come from the decayed bodies of dead animals (i.e. dinorsaurs) that died millions of years ago and what not... Doesn't fossil fuels disprove God?

[spoon]

you are all eeeeevil

from the fruits of the deevvvil

[hanso]

49% of GOP
voters nationally say they think that ACORN stole the election ...PPP poll


ACORN was done away with 2 years ago.

[Dude!]

49% of GOP
voters nationally say they think that ACORN stole the election ...PPP poll


ACORN was done away with 2 years ago.

89% of Dem voters nationally
say they think that
May Jo Kopechne drowned herself

KOPECHNE was done away with 43 years ago

[brettmojo]

89% of Dem voters nationally
say they think that
May Jo Kopechne drowned herself

KOPECHNE was done away with 43 years ago

Swing and a miss.

Next you'll be telling us your hip needs surgery.

[Jujubees2]

89% of Dem voters nationally
say they think that
May Jo Kopechne drowned herself

KOPECHNE was done away with 43 years ago

http://cobornsdelivers.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/apples-and-oranges.jpg

[hanso]

The same GOP that craps on teachers over a living wage, now want them to do the work of cops after the Newtown CT shootings.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Thats probably not the best idea because then there are other factors like the extra insurance and other associated costs.

[brettmojo]

Thats probably not the best idea because then there are other factors like the extra insurance and other associated costs.

yeah. that's the problem with that.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I wonder if the republican party will ever split...
Social Conservatives Vs Economic Fiscal Libertarians.
But Probably not.
I voted for Romney but I can't imagine any republican winning in 2016.

[hanso]

yeah. that's the problem with that.

He's right though that's how that side see this matter it comes down to slave wages.

[hanso]

Rush Limbaugh Denied Service at Mexican Restaurant

The owners of Pablo's Taqueria in Palm Beach Gardens say that they have a strict "no racists" policy and kindly asked Limbaugh to leave the premises when he attempted to place his order.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I guess Sharpton, Jackson, and Farrakhan wont be served there either.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Rush Limbaugh Denied Service at Mexican Restaurant

The owners of Pablo's Taqueria in Palm Beach Gardens say that they have a strict "no racists" policy and kindly asked Limbaugh to leave the premises when he attempted to place his order.

Thats one bad Yelp review


The incident began when the restaurant's manager recognized Limbaugh as he was making his order. The manager approached his table and kindly asked him to leave. According to witnesses, Limbaugh then stood up and launched a racist, obscenity-laced rant.

"Now you listen here you little f**king chihuahua, this is the United States of America, not some banana republic," Limbaugh bellowed. "I am an American citizen and I am hungry. I demand to be served.

"My ancestors built this country while yours were sacrificing 10-year-olds to the Aztec gods. This isn't your country. It's our country. You're a guest here in America. And as a guest, you have an obligation to obey your hosts. Do you know what that word means? Obligation? It's like a duty.

"Now go back into that kitchen and make me 12 chorizo tacos, 12 al pastor tacos, six chicken tostadas, six beef tostadas, three pork burritos, a plate full of churros and some f**king horchata. Now! Before I call immigration you wetback border bandit."


That was from a satirical website. The Daily Currant

[deliciousV]

Thats one bad Yelp review


The incident began when the restaurant's manager recognized Limbaugh as he was making his order. The manager approached his table and kindly asked him to leave. According to witnesses, Limbaugh then stood up and launched a racist, obscenity-laced rant.

"Now you listen here you little f**king chihuahua, this is the United States of America, not some banana republic," Limbaugh bellowed. "I am an American citizen and I am hungry. I demand to be served.

"My ancestors built this country while yours were sacrificing 10-year-olds to the Aztec gods. This isn't your country. It's our country. You're a guest here in America. And as a guest, you have an obligation to obey your hosts. Do you know what that word means? Obligation? It's like a duty.

"Now go back into that kitchen and make me 12 chorizo tacos, 12 al pastor tacos, six chicken tostadas, six beef tostadas, three pork burritos, a plate full of churros and some f**king horchata. Now! Before I call immigration you wetback border bandit."


That was from a satirical website. The Daily Currant

fuckin starvin

[hanso]

North Carolina state representatives have proposed a new law to prohibit public exposure of women's nipples.

House Bill 34 seeks to "clarify" state law by making it a Class H felony to expose "the nipple, or any portion of the areola, of the human female breast".

Republican representative Rayne Brown co-sponsored the bill, explaining that "there are communities across this state, there's local governments across this state, and also local law enforcement for whom this issue is really not a laughing matter".

Brown said the second annual topless protest for women's equality that took place in the city of Asheville in August 2012 is partly responsible for her proposal, according to The Huffington Post.

The proposed law aims to clear up confusion from a 1970 state Court of Appeals ruling, which stated that the term "private parts" referred to in state law does not include breasts.

Women who expose their nipples would face up to six months in prison, depending on the intent of the exposure. There is an exemption for breastfeeding, and men's nipples aren't affected by the bill.

North Carolina House Judiciary Subcommittee C Democrat member Annie Mobley said she worries the law could penalise women for wearing "questionable fashions".

[sailor]

North Carolina state representatives have proposed a new law to prohibit public exposure of women's nipples.

House Bill 34 seeks to "clarify" state law by making it a Class H felony to expose "the nipple, or any portion of the areola, of the human female breast".

Republican representative Rayne Brown co-sponsored the bill, explaining that "there are communities across this state, there's local governments across this state, and also local law enforcement for whom this issue is really not a laughing matter".

Brown said the second annual topless protest for women's equality that took place in the city of Asheville in August 2012 is partly responsible for her proposal, according to The Huffington Post.

The proposed law aims to clear up confusion from a 1970 state Court of Appeals ruling, which stated that the term "private parts" referred to in state law does not include breasts.

Women who expose their nipples would face up to six months in prison, depending on the intent of the exposure. There is an exemption for breastfeeding, and men's nipples aren't affected by the bill.

North Carolina House Judiciary Subcommittee C Democrat member Annie Mobley said she worries the law could penalise women for wearing "questionable fashions".

Remember, ladies, it's totally legal to go topless in NYC. Just saying.

[Bob Impact]

I flew into a rage at "private parts"

[PapaBear]

A fucking felony? Why has just about everything short of littering become associated with the worst level of crime, that will stick with a person for the rest of their life?

[hanso]

North Carolina Republicans pushing bill to put two-year hold on all divorces

this is after the failed bill they wanted for a state religion

[hanso]

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[spoon]

A fucking felony? Why has just about everything short of littering become associated with the worst level of crime, that will stick with a person for the rest of their life?



Privatizd prison system silly. Great lobby mind you...or awful if you are sane.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Privatizd prison system silly. Great lobby mind you...or awful if you are sane.

This is what happens when you have government working with private companies. Tax breaks, payoffs and backroom deals.


Some kid gets caught with a joint and he's hauled off to one of these prisons.

[hanso]

This is what happens when you have government working with private companies. Tax breaks, payoffs and backroom deals.


Some kid gets caught with a joint and he's hauled off to one of these prisons.

Your attempt to rationalize the rights privatizing this industry is pathetic at best.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Your attempt to rationalize the rights privatizing this industry is pathetic at best.



Did you read what I wrote?

Maybe you meant marginalize?

[hanso]

New Hampshire state Rep. Stella Tremblay (R-Auburn) said Wednesday she would not apologize for suggesting the government was behind the .

“I am not a great writer,” she told the Londonderry Patch. “I am not politically correct. I was just pointing out the fact that there is a possibility that the government is involved. You know, in history, top down, bottom up, has always happened.”

When told that both Democrats and Republicans had called on her to apologize, Tremblay responded: “What am I going to apologize for, asking questions?”

Last Friday, Tremblay posted a Facebook message on Glenn Beck’s fan page that claimed the U.S. government secretly carried out the “black ops” Boston attack and that the suspect who was arrested was merely a patsy. The post linked to an Alex Jones video.

Think I ment to post this here.Also see the alex jones "reporters" covering the Boston Marathon bombing

[hanso]

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A Republican congressman from North Dakota suggested to the graduating class at University of Mary earlier this month that the Boston Marathon bombings, the Sept. 11 terrorists attacks and multiple school shootings were all connected to the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion in 1973.

[PapaBear]

No he didn't. He talked about Roe V Wade happening, then said "no wonder there are school shootings". His statement makes no sense, but he in no way connected Boston and 9-11 to RVW. He said those things happened, yet people attack Christianity.

[spoon]

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A Republican congressman from North Dakota suggested to the graduating class at University of Mary earlier this month that the Boston Marathon bombings, the Sept. 11 terrorists attacks and multiple school shootings were all connected to the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion in 1973.

one of my favs is when he says the IDIOT who cursed on air in the state with a newscast was "He's been heralded by celebrities from New York to California as some sort of pop icon...his bosses have been called goons bc they fired him." REALL?! BIG BAD NY AND CALI AGAIN! Fucking idiots.

[spoon]

"abortion on demand"

my fucking IO digital cable doesn't have that fucking feature!

RIPPED OFF!...or out?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

HD Abortion on demand runs about $10 extra

[hanso]

Alex Jones: Democrats stole election, want to ‘legalize the 30 million illegals’

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm surprised he didn't say that illegals are part of the illuminati

[NickyL0885]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/alex-jones-tornado-truthers_n_3321704.html

[hanso]

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[spoon]

What a candidate! PB u better vote for this guy!

[PapaBear]

What a candidate! PB u better vote for this guy!
I've never even heard of the guy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I've never even heard of the guy.



You're in VA correct ?

That Lt Gov candidate sounds like a catch

[spoon]

you're so quick on the uptake!

:wallbash:

[PapaBear]

you're so quick on the uptake!

:wallbash:
:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

Oh, and Christians being against meditation is nothing new. When I lived in NC, there was a place called Totally Christian Karate. Instead of meditating, they prayed.

[keithy_19]

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

Oh, and Christians being against meditation is nothing new. When I lived in NC, there was a place called Totally Christian Karate. Instead of meditating, they prayed.

Stupid New Jersey Christian in me always thought meditation and prayer went hand in hand.

[PapaBear]

Stupid New Jersey Christian in me always thought meditation and prayer went hand in hand.
The goal of meditation is to empty your mind of thought. Prayer and meditation may both make some people feel better, but they are very different in concept.

[spoon]

i ONLY pray for yoga pants on hot chicks

[keithy_19]

The goal of meditation is to empty your mind of thought. Prayer and meditation may both make some people feel better, but they are very different in concept.

I guess I always kind of felt that prayer was a way to empty your mind. Sure, you're emptying your mind to God, but it's still emptying your mind.

With that being said, I don't think I've ever actually meditated and I feel like I don't have any idea how to.

[keithy_19]

i ONLY pray for yoga pants on hot chicks

So you can empty something else. I get it. :wink:

[spoon]

I have some yoga for ms dvds keithy. They have it broken down by symptom and the person who does it is awesome from the rock. U want one?

[keithy_19]

I have some yoga for ms dvds keithy. They have it broken down by symptom and the person who does it is awesome from the rock. U want one?

Sure! Thanks brudda!

[hanso]

Sen. Jim Inhofe says closing Guantanamo lets the terrorists win

[brettmojo]

Sen. Jim Inhofe says closing Guantanamo lets the terrorists win

If by winning he means gives them one less thing to point to and scream infidels then yes, they win.

[hanso]

Before WF comes here to tear on Obama it was ass hats like these that voted it down.

[spoon]

My tummy hurts...damn first lady told me eating right is good for you, not charmin!

[spoon]

Wow, maher's take on reagan was almost poetic. Finally someone just blasts the gop's fucking false idol as the pos deserved since day zero in office.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

History won't be kind to his butt boy presently occupying the WH

[SonOfSmeagol]

maher's an asswipe. "poetic" crack for the sycophants

[brettmojo]

Wow, maher's take on reagan was almost poetic. Finally someone just blasts the gop's fucking false idol as the pos deserved since day zero in office.
When the war on the middle class began.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

LBJ started that war

[spoon]

Butt boy. I stand corrected, wf is clearly the poet in this equation.

[spoon]

maher's an asswipe. "poetic" crack for the sycophants


Riiiiiight! Does he make you cry?

[brettmojo]

No war on women (http://kaysteiger.com/2013/06/10/wisconsin-begins-to-debate-bill-that-would-require-ultrasounds-before-abortions/) here...

Looks like Wisconsin doesn’t want to be left out of mandating medically unnecessary ultrasounds for women seeking an abortion. The Wisconsin State Journal reports that the Wisconsin state Senate will be taking up a bill on Tuesday that passed in a 3-2 committee vote. The bill, in addition to requiring an ultrasound, “would also require the abortion provider to display the image of the fetus, describe the size, location and number of fetuses, and identify any viewable internal organs or external features. The bill does not require the woman to look at the ultrasound image.”

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I get amazed when people lionize presidents. People especially like FDR. 75 years later he's not so great.

He was a dying man starting at his third term. Along with his awful Keynesian principles he got rolled by Stalin to an absurd degree

No president is infallible

[Dude!]

No war on women (http://kaysteiger.com/2013/06/10/wisconsin-begins-to-debate-bill-that-would-require-ultrasounds-before-abortions/) here...

how about the
war on babies?

[brettmojo]

how about the
war on babies?

No you're right, population growth really is stalling...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We are financing a war on women with foreign aid to crapholes like Pakistan and Egypt

[SonOfSmeagol]

Riiiiiight! Does he make you cry?

nah, asswipes don't bring that out in me. a momentary sense of pity, maybe. but hey, you enjoy, k? enjoy the cry, and the high

poetry, indeed

I actually agree with the guy on some things, just can't watch him

[TripleSkeet]

No war on women (http://kaysteiger.com/2013/06/10/wisconsin-begins-to-debate-bill-that-would-require-ultrasounds-before-abortions/) here...

Im surprised they dont make the mothers name the fetus before aborting it as well.

[Furtherman]

The right has already ensured another Democratic win in 2016. Nice work!

[SonOfSmeagol]

No you're right, population growth really is stalling...

not sure what you mean...do you mean to say that population control is a good by-product of abortions?

[Furtherman]

Any population control is good for a country, no matter what the size. It is a necessity for any community's survival. Until we discover a clean unlimited energy source, it will have to happen in order to survive on limited resources.

[spoon]

Im surprised they dont make the mothers name the fetus before aborting it as well.

i call them clotty

clotty 1

clotty 2

....

[spoon]

not sure what you mean...do you mean to say that population control is a good by-product of abortions?

that and the stem cells

win win!:flush:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Any population control is good for a country, no matter what the size. It is a necessity for any community's survival. Until we discover a clean unlimited energy source, it will have to happen in order to survive on limited resources.



Why do you want Mexican fetuses aborted ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In all seriousness that's why we need a breather on legal immigration also. By mid century we could be looking at 500 million people. There should be some quotas for a few years

Starting in 1965 , the government started reverse discrimination by letting more people from the 3rd world and telling Europeans to fuck off. They also allowed chain migration for third world immigrants. This meant the flood gates opened and just by coincidence the birth of the modern welfare state emerged

[spoon]

sure WF, that was the coincidence

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No coincidence

More people on the dole, the more loyal voters to vote themselves a pay raise

[spoon]

oh sure, they voted themselves a pay raise and this country had poor people forever

we just finally decided to give some aid at home and try to strengthen the middle class

how about min wage raises? they must do that all the time under your stupid tie in...but nope, it's so fucking low it IS the joke

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They sure did. The great society and importation of millions from the third world created millions more zero liability voters

Of course raise the minimum wage. That's the gullible answer.

How about shrinking the size and scope of the federal government. How sinful . Must keep feeding the Leviathan and make Versailles on the Potomac even bigger

[spoon]

this has always been the mold for the US WF, are you insane?

do you not even remember the poor and huddled masses mantra?

but once they look less like you it's a problem

that's your bone to pick, nothing more

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If The poor and huddled masses couldn't make it here many times they returned to their home countries. There were higher standards then


The Statue of liberty is holding a torch and not a stack of EBT cards

[spoon]

If The poor and huddled masses couldn't make it here many times they returned to their home countries. There were higher standards then


The Statue of liberty is holding a torch and not a stack of EBT cards

good one!

[SonOfSmeagol]

Any population control is good for a country, no matter what the size. It is a necessity for any community's survival. Until we discover a clean unlimited energy source, it will have to happen in order to survive on limited resources.

hadn't thought about abortion that way. The only good I can possibly see is with the personal circumstances of the woman who has to make that decision on whether or not to have the child, with the outcome that she feels she is better off for having the abortion. otherwise, there are no winners.

war and man-induced famine are population control too, not so good either

birth control, ya. euthanasia...hmmm

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Margaret Sanger was for population control, only for a specific race

[Syd]

so was George Washington and Thomas Jefferson

[SonOfSmeagol]

so was George Washington and Thomas Jefferson

so were, professor

pipesmoke
:smoke:

[hanso]

Texas Gov. Rick Perry: Americans have no right to freedom from religion

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/13/texas-gov-rick-perry-americans-have-no-right-to-freedom-from-religion/

Bow down to Texas "Imam Perry"

During an announcement of the signing of the so-called “Merry Christmas Bill,” Texas Gov. Rick Perry and state Senator Robert Nichols..
Made asshats out of them self's even quoting Thomas Jefferson who was cut from text books by their own Texas school board

[Syd]

so were, professor

pipesmoke
:smoke:

It's "was" because it's a statement, not a hope.

i.e., I wish I were a little bit more baller rather than I wish I was a little bit more baller.

[spoon]

Texas Gov. Rick Perry: Americans have no right to freedom from religion

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/13/texas-gov-rick-perry-americans-have-no-right-to-freedom-from-religion/

Bow down to Texas "Imam Perry"

During an announcement of the signing of the so-called “Merry Christmas Bill,” Texas Gov. Rick Perry and state Senator Robert Nichols..
Made asshats out of them self's even quoting Thomas Jefferson who was cut from text books by their own Texas school board

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his eyes are so wild and stupid as his kid introduces him...who would have thought what he said was more idiotic/wfian than his eyes.

and what's the name of that cheerleading squad? GO JESUS! J E SUS save us SOS!

[spoon]

Perry truly does remind me of W. His mannerisms, his intellect, empty eyes and of course their tie to the gov of Texas and their seemingly equally stupid voting public.

[spoon]

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Go LIONS...spaghetti monsters rule!

so proud

[hanso]

TY posting the video spoon, it wasn't showing for me.

Perry is starting the Xmas battle early (June). Good to see he has priorities straight. It burns me up hearing Thomas Jefferson lines used pertaining to the 2nd amendment when they cut him from their school texts. (hypocrite much?)

It also dawned on me this could be why the on going push for charter schools. As they view them as end a rounds for separation of church and state. However they do not circumnavigate public funding as they are part of the public education system.

[spoon]

TY posting the video spoon, it wasn't showing for me.

Perry is starting the Xmas battle early (June). Good to see he has priorities straight. It burns me up hearing Thomas Jefferson lines used pertaining to the 2nd amendment when they cut him from their school texts. (hypocrite much?)

It also dawned on me this could be why the on going push for charter schools. As they view them as end a rounds for separation of church and state. However they do not circumnavigate public funding as they are part of the public education system.

MEANWHILE, back at the state of JUSTICE....boom!
(fuck regulations on every level! come to texas)

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Perry truly does remind me of W. His mannerisms, his intellect, empty eyes and of course their tie to the gov of Texas and their seemingly equally stupid voting public.



One slight difference. W isn't a true Texan as he was born in CT

[spoon]

One slight difference. W isn't a true Texan as he was born in CT

hardly the only difference

want to add anything else?

sigh

[hanso]

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Ron Paul: Edward Snowden May Be Target of Drone Strike

WF hates on Greyson but loves him some Paul's.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

hardly the only difference

want to add anything else?

sigh


Bush didn't have niggerhead ranch painted on a rock

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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Ron Paul: Edward Snowden May Be Target of Drone Strike

WF hates on Greyson but loves him some Paul's.

Snowden would die quickly if struck by a drone

[spoon]

And other humans would take the strike well? What sense does your post make...again?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hanso mentioned Grayson

Grayson said the GOP wants people to die quickly

A drone would make Snowden die quickly

[spoon]

Fail

[hanso]

Hanso mentioned Grayson

Grayson said the GOP wants people to die quickly

A drone would make Snowden die quickly

Don't think Greyson put it that way and he says stuff based in some fact where Paul's are stuff that are just wacky.

[Jujubees2]

Look who has his hand out to Washington...

Texas Governor Rick Perry Now Begging For Government Handouts (VIDEO) (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/16/texas-governor-rick-perry-now-begging-for-government-handouts-video/#ixzz2WTjL6d5F)

[spoon]

Look who has his hand out to Washington...

Texas Governor Rick Perry Now Begging For Government Handouts (VIDEO) (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/16/texas-governor-rick-perry-now-begging-for-government-handouts-video/#ixzz2WTjL6d5F)

One must ask a question that few are asking. Why should the federal government and taxpayers be liable for the explosion of a private plant? Should not that plant be liable for rebuilding the damage caused from the company storing that quantity of explosive chemicals in an unsafe manner? This is a classic case of privatization of profits and socialization of losses/expenses. Perry fighting for a government handout for a private company explosion while refusing government subsidies to provide healthcare to the poor in his state is the height of immorality.
:wacko:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This could all end if the 16th amendment was killed and the federal government operated within its means and we had a tax system that wasn't corrupt

Until then pitch in and pay for other states disasters.


Democracy baby !!!!

[hanso]

Governor Perry is threatening to withhold funding for the “state’s Austin-based ethics-enforcement unit” unless Travis County DA Rosemary Lehmberg resigns. Ms. Lehmberg was convicted of DWI

There is talk Perry had some wrong doings and wants to do away with the unit as some idot CYA move.

[spoon]

This could all end if the 16th amendment was killed and the federal government operated within its means and we had a tax system that wasn't corrupt

Until then pitch in and pay for other states disasters.


Democracy baby !!!!

yes, helping each other in need during disasters is the right way to be and a federal system should be in place

the problem here is nothing as you make it, as taxes have ZERO to do with this in the real world...the funding is there in a big way for Sandy AND this issue

the problem is it happened do to less regulation that Texas touts in order to get shady biz there and look away. it's not a storm or natural disaster, it's a company that broke laws in the end and killed people. they deserve our tax dollars for doing something idiotic, but not the uninsured and under cared for people of his state? classic take the money for millionaires, all but DEMAND IT, but small gov and no involvement for the poor and those with no voice/campaign funding. the tax code has issues, but it MOST definitely isn't the issue here. stop clouding everything at best and being a fucking off topic cunt just to parrot more bullshit over and over and over and over.

my question that ties in so well...what would fdr do?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If states could keep more of their money, then they can use the funds to rebuild their affected areas.
Charities, and private enterprise can also contribute. The federal government should be a last resort
This would also force states to be thrifty with the revenues they collect via taxes

FDR would have thousands of people dig holes and others fill them up. Even better have them use spoons so that more people can be used.


It's like Christmas for Keynesians

[WRESTLINGFAN]

:wacko:



You can thank SCOTUS for the expansion of Medicaid provision. They left that up to the states.


Waiting to hear Single payer in 3.....2.....1.....

[spoon]

Too bad you are the one who says it daily...and just did. Fucking idiot.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Too bad you are the one who says it daily...and just did. Fucking idiot.



I don't want single payer. Obamacare is law and it's still not good enough for you

[spoon]

is it or isn't it?

bringing up your own points and counterpoints to an argument not even being made

fucking idiot

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I object to it because it's crony capitalism

You have issues with it because it doesn't go far enough. You wanted single payer or at least a public option, amirite?

[spoon]

you tell me wf

you're having a fucking bullshit convo with your own talking points...most of the time wildly off topic as well

[hanso]

Representative Michael Burgess (R-TX) on Monday asserted that he witnessed male fetuses pleasuring themselves as early as 15-weeks after conception

[Jujubees2]

Representative Michael Burgess (R-TX) on Monday asserted that he witnessed male fetuses pleasuring themselves as early as 15-weeks after conception

I keep telling my wife I was born this way and now I have proof!

[spoon]

unreal level of idiocy from WF's party

go figure

GOPfan (closet...which is just perfect)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

My party?

Thanks for providing your daily act of idiocy

[hanso]

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Texas Gov. Rick Perry: Americans have no right to freedom from religion

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/13/texas-gov-rick-perry-americans-have-no-right-to-freedom-from-religion/

Bow down to Texas "Imam Perry"

During an announcement of the signing of the so-called “Merry Christmas Bill,” Texas Gov. Rick Perry and state Senator Robert Nichols..
Made asshats out of them self's even quoting Thomas Jefferson who was cut from text books by their own Texas school board

[spoon]

Like i said, closet.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Like I said...

Stay out of Syria.


That's not GOP talk

[Jujubees2]

Jodie Laubenberg, Texas GOP Lawmaker, Suggests Rape Kits Can Give Abortions (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/jodie-laubenberg-texas-rape_n_3493220.html)

[hanso]

Gohmert: Same sex marriage ruling could be ‘the end of a great civilization’

Rand Paul: Same-sex marriage leads to marrying animals

Bachmann had insisted that marriage was “created by the hand of God” and “not even a Supreme Court, can undo what a holy God has instituted.”

[hanso]

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Jodie Laubenberg, Texas GOP Lawmaker, Suggests Rape Kits Can Give Abortions (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/jodie-laubenberg-texas-rape_n_3493220.html)

She also put the anti abortion bill out that got filibustered

[hanso]

Huckabee: Muslims Are 'Uncorked Animals' After Praying to Allah

[hanso]

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other stuff

Bryan Fischer: The problem with the military is all those fags keep raping the ladies.

[spoon]

Seriously?! Wow.

[hanso]

Republican Rep. Joyce: Unemployment caused by drunk, high workforce not lack of jobs

https://www.facebook.com/RepDaveJoyce



Bryan Fischer: ‘Christians are the new blacks’ because of LGBT ‘Jim Crow laws’

[hanso]

New Mexico lawmaker worries teaching yoga in school is state-sponsored religion

The Albuquerque Journal reported on Monday that state Rep. Alonzo Baldonado (R) voiced his concerns during an Oct. 19 meeting of the state Legislative Education Study Committee after John Baker Elementary teacher Ann Paulls-Neal told the group she employed yoga with her students, while referring to it as “stretching and mat work” and not associating it with any particular faith.

“Are we teaching yoga in public schools now?” Baldonado reportedly asked Paulls-Neal. “Are parents notified?”

While Paulls-Neal told the committee that one student, who identifies as a Jehova’s Witness, had opted out of the yoga portion of her classes because of their religious beliefs, Baldonado compared the situation to him reading Bible scripture inside a classroom.

“I think it tends to open a door to a practice tied to a religious belief,” Texas-New Mexico newspapers quoted him as saying after the meeting. “There is a good population of people out there who feel that way, so we have to ask if another option is available for them.”

Baldonado himself identifies as a Christian, and was quoted after the meeting saying he homeschools his three daughters while also taking them out of yoga stretching exercises administered as a part of their swim team. But his focus on the issue was chided by state Sen. Bill Soules (D), a fellow committee member, who called it “a concern of the far right.”

Patrick Davis, who leads the progressive group Progress Now NM, also called Baldonado’s attention to the exercises into question.

“Of all the things a legislator could focus on to get our public schools back on track, Rep. Baldonado chose this one as his most important,” Davis told the Journal. “Even for conspiracy theorists, this one seems far-fetched. How he thinks a rudimentary stretching routine meant to improve physical health could lead students to join a religious cult is beyond me.”

In July 2013, a California judge denied a family’s request to ban yoga from being included in physical education courses, despite the family’s claims it promoted an “anti-Christian bias.”

[SonOfSmeagol]

speaking of yoga pants, how's your collection coming along?