Random one-off shooting and I hate guns thread

[Jujubees2]

Linky?

Shooting near Times Square may force NYPD to revise training regime (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/shooting-times-square-change-nypd-training-article-1.1457090#ixzz2f4L6fmp6)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Probably from the shooting at the Empire State building as well.

[jafter]

Just took my CWP class about to send in for a permit. I don't understand why people are so afraid of having legal law abiding citizens having guns. They are not the ones committing crimes it is the goddamn criminals. Do you want to take away cars because people get in accidents or drive and drunk.

Stop rewarding bad behavior. Get a job work for your money don't be a fucking crook.


Someone breaks into your house what are you going to use harsh language to stop them...


I love the bumper sticker my front door is locked for your protection. LOL

[Syd]

Just took my CWP class about to send in for a permit. I don't understand why people are so afraid of having legal law abiding citizens having guns. They are not the ones committing crimes it is the goddamn criminals.

I don't have the facts all laid out in front of me but I think I remember hearing a study that somewhere around 50-75% of all criminals were at one point legal, law abiding citizens

Do you want to take away cars because people get in accidents or drive and drunk.

No, do we have a regulating system for cars and alcohol though?

Stop rewarding bad behavior. Get a job work for your money don't be a fucking crook.

in a truly free market society, stealing is a perfectly acceptable way of earning money


Someone breaks into your house what are you going to use harsh language to stop them...

No, but guns in homes are statistically more likely to be used on yourself or a family member through suicide/friendly fire.

Criminals don't break into occupied homes, they go around knocking on doors asking if "Jason" or "Sasha" is home or they ask you if you want your gutters cleaned. If no one answers, they break in and steal everything out of your medicine cabinet and any guns they find. This is why the fantasy, not too unlike the one shown in the movie Christmas Story, won't ever come true. You'll kill/maim someone in your family or yourself.

[Dell]

I think the correct statistic is 100% of criminals were once law abiding citizens...at least I cannot think of how you can be born a criminal


(I love fun with statistics...)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Stealing doesnt go on in totalitarian societies?

[deliciousV]

Just took my CWP class about to send in for a permit. I don't understand why people are so afraid of having legal law abiding citizens having guns. They are not the ones committing crimes it is the goddamn criminals. Do you want to take away cars because people get in accidents or drive and drunk.

Stop rewarding bad behavior. Get a job work for your money don't be a fucking crook.


Someone breaks into your house what are you going to use harsh language to stop them...


I love the bumper sticker my front door is locked for your protection. LOL

Oh Jafter, my fellow Myrtle Beachian, you are in the "I hate guns" thread, they hate them here, arguing is pointless, they toss out unprovable statistics ("I don't remember where I read it" I don't have it in front of me, but") , I fought with them for a while, then I realised that this is their thread,let them agree with each other. Oh, always remember that Syd hangs here, and he hates guns and white people.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Didn't take long for these mouth breathing media whores and hacks to bring up gun control without all the facts being in



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/16/let-s-not-wait-to-talk-about-gun-control.html

[Syd]

why are they even bothering with an investigation, it will cost money and I don't think there is a plan on what to do after it is over

basically another afghanistan

[Syd]

they toss out unprovable statistics ("I don't remember where I read it" I don't have it in front of me, but")

I don't have the facts all laid out in front of me but I think I remember hearing a study that somewhere around 50-75% of all criminals were at one point legal, law abiding citizens

nice of you to chop up the quote to eliminate the sarcasm

but here are some numbers to let you know why guns in your house are going to drastically increase your chance of dying:

http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home

[deliciousV]

nice of you to chop up the quote to eliminate the sarcasm

but here are some numbers to let you know why guns in your house are going to drastically increase your chance of dying:

http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home

I didn't quote you in my post at all, and I caught the sarcasm all on my own.
It'd be idiotic to argue with such a "duh" article, of course homes with guns in them are more likely to experience gun accidents, gun suicides, and homicide than those without guns. It doesn't mean that non gun households won't still find a way to do all of those things too.
It seems equally "duh" to me that a household with a gun has a better chance at home defense, in the rare occasion that it is needed. I have said it before on here, gun ownership is not for everyone, or every household. I live in the woods and it will take any help 10-15 minutes to get here, I like my odds better with my own firearm. If you live in a city and can expect a reasonably quick response, then the risks that come with gun ownership might not be worth it. Also, you have to know your household, I kept a very secure gun lock on my shotgun all thru my two kids angst filled teen years, just in case.

[spoon]

Oh Jafter, my fellow Myrtle Beachian, you are in the "I hate guns" thread, they hate them here, arguing is pointless, they toss out unprovable statistics ("I don't remember where I read it" I don't have it in front of me, but") , I fought with them for a while, then I realised that this is their thread,let them agree with each other. Oh, always remember that Syd hangs here, and he hates guns and white people.



That's fucking hilarious and plain wrong dv. I have put out plenty to show the other side of this argument you seem to think you are standing on the high ground of. There is substance and flaws in the arguments of BOTH sides, but you are as set in your opinion as those on thea other end so stop acting like you tried to reason and have a normal debate. The above post alone is proof enough, much less so many more in this thread.

[spoon]

I think the correct statistic is 100% of criminals were once law abiding citizens...at least I cannot think of how you can be born a criminal


(I love fun with statistics...)

Ha! I have to admit, i thought the same thing here.

[deliciousV]

That's fucking hilarious and plain wrong dv. I have put out plenty to show the other side of this argument you seem to think you are standing on the high ground of. There is substance and flaws in the arguments of BOTH sides, but you are as set in your opinion as those on the other end so stop acting like you tried to reason and have a normal debate. The above post alone is proof enough, much less so many more in this thread.

I mostly agree with what you said, and you are the exception as far as offering some proof of what you say. I wasn't taking the high ground, I was being honest, this thread has "I hate guns" in it's title, I came to the realization that this was not the place to argue about it. Let people of a shared opinion have their home, I don't see this as a bad thing, or a high ground.

[PapaBear]

this thread has "I hate guns" in it's title
I think that part may have been added later. It was started by hanso. Be glad the thread title isn't "Random one-off shooting of one Dolphins smackadoodle that".

Thread

[sailor]

I think that part may have been added later. It was started by hanso. Be glad the thread title isn't "Random one-off shooting of one Dolphins smackadoodle that".

Thread

Check again, friendo.

But, good joke otherwise.

[Syd]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/2013/09/16/police-responding-reported-shooter-navy-yard/g1EytWmP3pruo7fpVbMkjI/story.html?rss_id=Top+Stories

Mental illness trumps concealed carry permit holders never commit crimes in roshambo of murdertoys

[hanso]

I think that part may have been added later. It was started by hanso. Be glad the thread title isn't "Random one-off shooting of one Dolphins smackadoodle that".

Thread

I started mass shooting as a Vs wrestling deaths countdown.

[hanso]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/2013/09/16/police-responding-reported-shooter-navy-yard/g1EytWmP3pruo7fpVbMkjI/story.html?rss_id=Top+Stories

Mental illness trumps concealed carry permit holders never commit crimes in roshambo of murdertoys

The shooter was black? What will poor gun nut lover Ant do on tomorrows show? Conundrum!

[hanso]

Didn't take long for these mouth breathing media whores and hacks to bring up gun control without all the facts being in



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/16/let-s-not-wait-to-talk-about-gun-control.html

U.S. murder rate higher than nearly all other developed countries: FBI data
Guns are as prevalent as candy. And this is somehow a stretch for you?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

U.S. murder rate higher than nearly all other developed countries: FBI data
Guns are as prevalent as candy. And this is somehow a stretch for you?

Murder includes other weapons

Also those figures include murders in which guns are purchased illegally. You can have all the gun control you want but Chicago and Camden are still going to be killing fields as evidence shows

[A.J.]

Guns don't kill people -- the mentally ill do. Why don't we ban them instead?

[Jujubees2]

Guns don't kill people -- the mentally ill do. Why don't we ban them instead?

We tried that but Hannibal Lecter kept escaping

[Dell]

waiting for facts and nobody has a solution...

Authorities have recovered three weapons from the scene of the mass shooting, including a shotgun that investigators believe Alexis brought into the compound, federal law enforcement sources with detailed knowledge of the investigation told CNN on Tuesday. The other two weapons -- handguns -- may have been taken from guards, the sources say.

Earlier information that Alexis may have used a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle may have been incorrect, the sources said.

Investigators believe Alexis rented an AR-15 but had returned it before Monday's shootings, the sources said. Authorities are still investigating how many weapons Aaron had access to, the sources said.


Vice President Joe Biden recently suggested that if we have to use a gun for protection, we use a shotgun (not an assault rifle) and just shoot through the door.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

CNN refered to an AR-15 as a shotgun last night.


This is going to be fun. Seeing Piers verbally disemboweled again like after Newtown

[A.J.]

CNN refered to an AR-15 as a shotgun last night.


This is going to be fun. Seeing Piers verbally disemboweled again like after Newtown

Speaking of which, I saw in the New Haven Register's website that the Newtown families are ready to milk this by heading to DC to lobby Congress for tougher gun control.

[spoon]

Milk this? Perhaps it's actually something they believe in tied to their extremely tragic event in their own life and aren't happy with no changes? Milking it seems quite harsh tied to actual loss.

[A.J.]

That is true. After all, the mentally ill still walk free among us.

[spoon]

Murder includes other weapons

Also those figures include murders in which guns are purchased illegally. You can have all the gun control you want but Chicago and Camden are still going to be killing fields as evidence shows


Soooo, actual and enforceable gun control past its borders throughout the country is proven not to work even though it never happened in our history? This proof you speak of is their issues still i presume? Despite the ties to social econonmic collaspe in one city and readily accessible weapons around the corner outside of said areas just killing any attempts to curb the problem!? So what IS the problem in your mind WF? Do we just need more guns in legal hands walking the streets of camden and chicago?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speaking of which, I saw in the New Haven Register's website that the Newtown families are ready to milk this by heading to DC to lobby Congress for tougher gun control.

While some might have good intentions, Some families just want to go to DC just to be there. An example are the parents allowing their kids to be used as props while standing in the background of an empty presidential speech.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Soooo, actual and enforceable gun control past its borders throughout the country is proven not to work even though it never happened in our history? This proof you speak of is their issues still i presume? Despite the ties to social econonmic collaspe in one city and readily accessible weapons around the corner outside of said areas just killing any attempts to curb the problem!? So what IS the problem in your mind WF? Do we just need more guns in legal hands walking the streets of camden and chicago?

Allowing less restrictive laws would be a start. That doesn't mean that everyone should have a gun. Many people of your ilk (maybe not you) always bring up the dramatics of so lets turn a city into the wild west.

[spoon]

While some might have good intentions, Some families just want to go to DC just to be there. An example are the parents allowing their kids to be used as props while standing in the background of an empty presidential speech.

Sure, they just want to be there and tell their horrible story again for the fun of it all.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sure, they just want to be there and tell their horrible story again for the fun of it all.

We already know their story. What many of them are supporting wont prevent another Newtown or DC type shooting.


Some of these families are being taken advantage of by politicians, they see an opening just so they can have their names attached to another feel good fluff bill

[spoon]

Yah, its all about their 15 minutes right, not an ongoing issue/debate that never properly happens.

[A.J.]

Yah, its all about their 15 minutes right, not an ongoing issue/debate that never properly happens.

That's true. Despite my earlier sarcasm, the issue of the mentally ill should also be addressed rather than just make a predictable, knee-jerk call for greater gun control.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What is being discussed for more gun control won't prevent mass shootings

How about security of these installations. I'm not saying arm everyone but this was a military base. Reports are that he stole someones badge. Did he have a security clearance? The gov't hands out clearances like candy. 800,000 people have these clearances.


Before the investigations are over theres already blame of a weapon that wasn't used. The dreaded AR-15

[Dude!]

mass killings have been with us
since the injuns butchered
entire peaceful settlements
in the 1600s

mass killings are as American
as fireworks on the 4th of July

forget all the hand-wringing
and embrace and appreciate
the cultural legacy

[sailor]

I started mass shooting as a Vs wrestling deaths countdown.

Which is where this one should be.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Shooter was found with 2 pistols that he took from security. Yet Battleaxe Feinstein is the latest one squawking for more gun control.

[A.J.]

Shooter was found with 2 pistols that he took from security. Yet Battleaxe Feinstein is the latest one squawking for more gun control.

The irony being that a shooting made her career.

[Dell]

mass killings have been with us
since the injuns butchered
entire peaceful settlements
in the 1600s

mass killings are as American
as fireworks on the 4th of July

forget all the hand-wringing
and embrace and appreciate
the cultural legacy

and blanket donations to American Indians...don't pretend that American Indians created mass killings (centuries old by that time)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The irony being that a shooting made her career.



She can't wage war on magazines or assault weapons so will be a ban called for shotguns and various ammo they use?

[SonOfSmeagol]

Soooo, actual and enforceable gun control past its borders throughout the country is proven not to work even though it never happened in our history? This proof you speak of is their issues still i presume? Despite the ties to social econonmic collaspe in one city and readily accessible weapons around the corner outside of said areas just killing any attempts to curb the problem!? So what IS the problem in your mind WF? Do we just need more guns in legal hands walking the streets of camden and chicago?

I think what you're saying is that gun violence is a cause of social economic collapse? If so I'd have to disagree. As I've said before, if people only had kids they want and can afford, and two-parent them as parents should do, and get them through school, then so many young men wouldn't be out there with nothing else to do but fight for "turf" and "respect" and try to kill each other. The guns in these cases, mostly illegally obtained and held, are a symptom of social economic collapse, not a cause. Without the guns there would be/are other forms of violence - people are very creative. Without the guns there would still be social economic collapse.

and, kids, stay off the hard stuff, for chrissake

[spoon]

no, that is not what I'm saying

would there still be economic collapse with, well, economic collapse?? fucking brilliant!!

ok, I'll ask again bc you only put more issues out there, true or not, but what is YOUR solution too WF? less gov assistance, less funding for crumbling schools and staff and more lectures on what you feel is a true family unit = less issues and gun violence? since you like to infer so much, I felt I'd play along. let's just hope the min wage continues to lag behind, jobs move out of the US and support dissipates for those in need...surely that will continue to help

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Daily News gets it wrong.

http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/new-york-daily-news-ar-15-sept-2013.jpg



Lupica should stick to covering sports

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Should we pour trillions more into a failed welfare state? Ever since the Great society estimates as high as 20 trillion has been pissed away and look what we have. Failed cities like Detroit, Camden and many other urban wastelands. Perhaps if that money was spent correctly maybe those cities wouldn't have been in as bad as shape as they are in

Detroit didn't go bust overnight. 50 years of pumping in tons of taxpayer money only for Coleman Young and other politicians to pay off their friends, skim from the top and go back to DC with their fucking hands out for more cash

[PapaBear]

I'm just glad the Weekly World News was right about Bat Boy.

[SonOfSmeagol]

no, that is not what I'm saying

would there still be economic collapse with, well, economic collapse?? fucking brilliant!!

ok, I'll ask again bc you only put more issues out there, true or not, but what is YOUR solution too WF? less gov assistance, less funding for crumbling schools and staff and more lectures on what you feel is a true family unit = less issues and gun violence? since you like to infer so much, I felt I'd play along. let's just hope the min wage continues to lag behind, jobs move out of the US and support dissipates for those in need...surely that will continue to help

well...WF...yes, 2-parenting would do exactly that. Involved parents fighting for better schools, against shitty teachers...imagine that?

more govt assistance for what? more funding for schools where students and parents don't give a shit? more support for truly shitty teachers hiding behind unions?

no one here is rallying against support for those in need

you're the one that "tied" social economic collapse to something - what was that something again?

[Syd]

Detroit didn't go bust overnight. 50 years of pumping in tons of taxpayer money only for Coleman Young and other politicians to pay off their friends, skim from the top and go back to DC with their fucking hands out for more cash

Detroit went bust because the government effectively outlawed unions. You can trace the rise and decline of the city, or any major manufacturing city, from the ascension in the wake of the the Colorado Labor Wars, the high water mark that coincided with Wagner and the decline that started with Taft-Harley.

But, yeah taxpayer money. Never you mind that it doesn't explain why other cities didn't fall apart. This isn't 'nam, WF, there are rules.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Detroit went bust because the government effectively outlawed unions. You can trace the rise and decline of the city, or any major manufacturing city, from the ascension in the wake of the the Colorado Labor Wars, the high water mark that coincided with Wagner and the decline that started with Taft-Harley.

But, yeah taxpayer money. Never you mind that it doesn't explain why other cities didn't fall apart. This isn't 'nam, WF, there are rules.

Detroit started the decline as far back as the early 1960's and has been a union town for decades. The Big 3 a major part of the city's economy have their members in the UAW

The other factor is the pension obligations politicians made to its civil servants.

In 50 years did all these promises, guarantees and transfer payments work? Well since Detroit is in chapter 9, no

[SonOfSmeagol]

Detroit went bust because the government effectively outlawed unions.

wrong. look no further than the sweet-ass deal the unions got on the 2009 US car manufacturers bailout and think again

[spoon]

well...WF...yes, 2-parenting would do exactly that. Involved parents fighting for better schools, against shitty teachers...imagine that?

more govt assistance for what? more funding for schools where students and parents don't give a shit? more support for truly shitty teachers hiding behind unions?

no one here is rallying against support for those in need

you're the one that "tied" social economic collapse to something - what was that something again?

oh just imagine that!

so the answer is in, just tell people to have two parents, all is saved!!

and yes, school failing in cities is tied to the same unions schools in the suburbs have

one would think having a good school system IS important in areas of good parents as well as bad...but yes, unions and handouts got it

same old tired bullshit

[spoon]

Should we pour trillions more into a failed welfare state? Ever since the Great society estimates as high as 20 trillion has been pissed away and look what we have. Failed cities like Detroit, Camden and many other urban wastelands. Perhaps if that money was spent correctly maybe those cities wouldn't have been in as bad as shape as they are in

Detroit didn't go bust overnight. 50 years of pumping in tons of taxpayer money only for Coleman Young and other politicians to pay off their friends, skim from the top and go back to DC with their fucking hands out for more cash

you have quite the warped sense of history and the economic landscape of said cities

[SonOfSmeagol]

oh just imagine that!

so the answer is in, just tell people to have two parents, all is saved!!

and yes, school failing in cities is tied to the same unions schools in the suburbs have

one would think having a good school system IS important in areas of good parents as well as bad...but yes, unions and handouts got it

same old tired bullshit

NO, tell 2 parents to raise the children they have. Individual responsibility and accountability. That IS an answer.

"school failing in cities is tied to the same unions schools in the suburbs have" irrelevant, but true

what's the diff between a good school system and a bad? GOOD parents, teachers, and local and state officials making it work

you argue against good parenting, individual responsibility and accountability, and call it "same old tired bullshit". Instead...you call for more money. sweet

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you have quite the warped sense of history and the economic landscape of said cities



Not at all, just analyzing the leading contributors to the decline.


Your history is warped. It's been only 4 years since the GM bailout and you deem it a success

[Syd]

wrong. look no further than the sweet-ass deal the unions got on the 2009 US car manufacturers bailout and think again

wrong

look no further than the sweet-ass deal the unions got in the 1947 taft-harley act

[Syd]

Detroit started the decline as far back as the early 1960's and has been a union town for decades. The Big 3 a major part of the city's economy have their members in the UAW

The other factor is the pension obligations politicians made to its civil servants.

In 50 years did all these promises, guarantees and transfer payments work? Well since Detroit is in chapter 9, no

if pension obligations were an issue, you would be seeing it in other countries with similar economic structure

only...it isn't happening in other countries with similar economic structure

look up norway and their pension system and get back to me with your next scapegoat

[WRESTLINGFAN]

if pension obligations were an issue, you would be seeing it in other countries with similar economic structure

only...it isn't happening in other countries with similar economic structure

look up norway and their pension system and get back to me with your next scapegoat

Look up Greece and some other EU countries and see how that's working in regards to public pensions

[SonOfSmeagol]

look up norway and their pension system and get back to me with your next scapegoat

not a good compare, really. Norway is a nation of 5M, with literally more oil and nat gas $ than they know what to do with. They definitely do take care of their people, while at the same time they are wisely frugal and careful with their wealth

[SonOfSmeagol]

wrong

look no further than the sweet-ass deal the unions got in the 1947 taft-harley act

this esoteric and irrelevant pull has nothing to do with your baseless claim that the govt killed unions, effectively killing detroit

[Syd]

Look up Greece and some other EU countries and see how that's working in regards to public pensions

Look up Greece's banking structure and get back to me on whether or not they're a similar economic structure

(hint: they aren't)

[Syd]

not a good compare, really. Norway is a nation of 5M, with literally more oil and nat gas $ than they know what to do with. They definitely do take care of their people, while at the same time they are wisely frugal and careful with their wealth

Why doesn't the welfare state scale up?

America has a great deal of oil and natural gas money as well. Difference is, Norway took care of their people by nationalizing hydrocarbon recovery. Even though Norway produces about 15% as much natural gas and about 40% as much oil, you yourself are attesting it to why Norway's standard of living is much higher than America.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Look up Greece's banking structure and get back to me on whether or not they're a similar economic structure

(hint: they aren't)



Greece is tied to the EU. Norway uses the Norweigen Krone

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why doesn't the welfare state scale up?

America has a great deal of oil and natural gas money as well. Difference is, Norway took care of their people by nationalizing hydrocarbon recovery. Even though Norway produces about 15% as much natural gas and about 40% as much oil, you yourself are attesting it to why Norway's standard of living is much higher than America.


So would nationalizing major industries in a country of 315 million people and a corrupt federal government really work well here?

Plus Norway doesn't have the lust for war like we do

[Syd]

Greece is tied to the EU. Norway uses the Norweigen Krone

Greece has no control of their monetary policy, which is a pretty big deal when their central bank also has no mandate for full employment

[Dude!]

Greece is tied to the EU. Norway uses the Norweigen Krone

until the last few years
norway was 100% white norwegian
with no third-world types living there

it has a population of a lousy 5 million...
for a fair comparison of stats,
add together the three whitest states
in america (ME + NH + VT) and
compare to norway in terms of income,
education, poverty, etc.

to compare norway's homogeneous 5 million
with america's diverse 315 million is ludicrous

[A.J.]

oh just imagine that!

so the answer is in, just tell people to have two parents, all is saved!!

As long as the parents aren't a couple of queers.

[Syd]

yesterday two brave men stood their ground against ruthless criminals out to kill them:

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2013/09/road_rage-related_shootout_lea.html

[A.J.]

Yay Darwinism!

[hanso]

An Arizona woman died on Tuesday after being accidentally shot and killed by her boyfriend while the couple was hugging. (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-shot-boyfriend-gun-hugged-article-1.1474993)

It also happened last year.

Jul 9, 2012 - Detroit woman accidentally shot while hugging ..
A Detroit woman who was celebrating her 25th birthday was accidentally shot at party ... (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/08/detroit-woman-killed-when-hug-triggers-officer-gun-police-say/)

[PapaBear]

Hugging kills.

(I hope you don't mind... I edited your post to add links)

[PapaBear]

This Picard will never make Captain. The guns weren't set to "stun". (http://www.dailymail.com/News/201310090067)

On a side note... There are still YWCA's? And, why hasn't there been a lesbian band redux of YMCA?

[hanso]

Tennessee man blasts 15-year-old with shotgun for toilet-papering neighbor’s home

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/oct/29/teen-shot-during-prank/

[spoon]

Awful and just plain stupid.

[Syd]

white person who legally bought a gun and no history of mental illness and a call from the TSA to have armed guards

where does the NRA stand on this

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lets reinforce security and the police state even more. 9/11 changed everything

:wallbash::wallbash:

[Syd]

looks like another person defending tyranny in new jersey tonight

[spoon]

such an odd case here

[A.J.]

looks like another person defending tyranny in new jersey tonight

Mallrats are a threat to decent society.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barbara Buono has been ruled out

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Knockout game player gets beat by gun

:clap::clap::clap::clap:


http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/366605-marvell-weaver-fails-at-knock-out-game-gets-shot-and-arrested/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Man murdered in Short Hills NJ mall via carjacking. Perps drive away with his range rover. Vehicle recovered in Newark. Killers still at large


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/16/new-jersey-mall-carjacking_n_4451405.html

[hanso]

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[pennington]

I haven't seen anything about the race of the Tampa shooting movie theater victim. Was he caucasian? Why is the President not commenting? What about the retired police captain that shot him?

[spoon]

RACIST!!!

here we go

always there pennington

so proud and such a great stand

[pennington]

RACIST!!!

here we go

always there pennington

so proud and such a great stand

Racist against whom? Seriously, the reports usually include descriptions other than age, I was just wondering.

[spoon]

Racist against whom? Seriously, the reports usually include descriptions other than age, I was just wondering.

oh I was seriously doubting your intentions here with "why is the president not commenting" and simply saying what you are sheepishly implying

[pennington]

oh I was seriously doubting your intentions here with "why is the president not commenting" and simply saying what you are sheepishly implying

So the first thing that came into your mind is that if the victim was a minority, the President would have commented? You know, when you point a finger, three point back at you.

Anyway, the President usually jumps on any well-publicized incident to promote gun control. Maybe because the shooter is a retired police captain, and a senior citizen, the President didn't want to rile-up the the police unions and the AARP crowd?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So what happens now?

If guilty and if the retired cop likes his pension does he keep it ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

California State Senator Leland Yee a big supporter of gun control charged with weapons trafficking and bribery.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More details of the charges against Yee


The charges against Yee include conspiracy to deal firearms without a license, conspiracy to illegally transport firearms, six counts of a scheme to defraud citizens on his services, and wire fraud. A handcuffed and shackled Yee was released on a $500,000 unsecured bond Wednesday evening and was scheduled to return to court Monday to revisit the terms of his release.



He believes that citizens aren't to be trusted with those scary looking AR-15's. He reminds me of these Anti Gay rights politicians who are caught soliciting male prostitutes.

[PapaBear]

No one actually got shot, but...

Officials: Woman hid stolen, loaded gun in genitalia (http://www.wbir.com/story/news/crime/2014/04/23/woman-hid-gun-in-private-parts/8051925/)


(WBIR) Jailers discovered a stolen, loaded gun hidden inside a woman's vagina, according to the Kingsport Police Department.
Officers searched Dallas Archer, 19, while booking her in the Kingsport jail and found a .22-caliber revolver inside her crotch. After checking gun records, police learned the gun was reported stolen in 2013.
Officials initially arrested the Kingsport woman for driving on a suspended license, but now Archer is also facing charges for possession of stolen property and bringing contraband into the jail.
:ohmy:


Edit: So you don't have to look it up... We're talking the East Tennessee, Kentucky, North Carolina area.

[pennington]

No one actually got shot, but...

Officials: Woman hid stolen, loaded gun in genitalia (http://www.wbir.com/story/news/crime/2014/04/23/woman-hid-gun-in-private-parts/8051925/)

This girl is only 19 and look at all the supidity in her life:

1) Her license is suspended (probably for multiple moving violations or unpaid fines).

2) She continues to drive without a license.

3) She gets arrested (she probably got pulled over for speeding or something similar).

4) She's in possession of a stolen weapon.

5) She tries to smuggle that stolen weapon into a jail where it is clear that they are going to search you.

I'm thinking she's not attending Harvard or Yale and that this won't be her last experience with law enforcement. Hopefully she doesn't have any kids.

[Jujubees2]

Minnesota man likens two teen intruders he shot dead to ‘vermin’ (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/minnesota-man-likens-teen-intruders-shot-dead-vermin-article-1.1767305#ixzz2zq2X2uIn)

[A.J.]

Minnesota man likens two teen intruders he shot dead to ‘vermin’ (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/minnesota-man-likens-teen-intruders-shot-dead-vermin-article-1.1767305#ixzz2zq2X2uIn)

I'd do the same thing if someone broke into my home.

[deliciousV]

I'd do the same thing if someone broke into my home.

I'm all for people having the right to defend their home, but that dude is a nut case, and I'm betting he goes away for a long long time. He sat in his basement waiting, he shot the first intruder twice as he came down the stairs , then walked over and delivered a kill shot to the head, he then moved the body away from the bottom of the stairs, presumably so the other intruder wouldn't see him and run away. The second intruder was taken down with one shot, then when he went to give her a head shot, the gun jammed, so he had to get another gun, to deliver what he called "a good clean death".

[Jujubees2]

I'm all for people having the right to defend their home, but that dude is a nut case, and I'm betting he goes away for a long long time. He sat in his basement waiting, he shot the first intruder twice as he came down the stairs , then walked over and delivered a kill shot to the head, he then moved the body away from the bottom of the stairs, presumably so the other intruder wouldn't see him and run away. The second intruder was taken down with one shot, then when he went to give her a head shot, the gun jammed, so he had to get another gun, to deliver what he called "a good clean death".

This too:

Smith waited until the next day to call a neighbor, who alerted authorities to the shooting.

If he felt so threatened why didn't he call the police?