The war is just starting within the Republican Party!
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In a sick way, NY-23 is a win-win for the Democratic Party:
Not so sure about that. Scozzafava ultimately endorsing the Dem candidate probably means she was more aligned with the Dems to begin with. That’s unusual because in general Conservatives and Reps will be closer aligned with each other than either one with Dems – when it comes to general contests. i.e., in general Conservatives and Reps will unite to counter Dem candidates.
Kind of analogous to the situation last year with HRC and BHO on the Dem side fighting it out but ultimately coming together against the Reps with a larger turnout than if any one of them had emerged stronger, earlier. Also, this particular race is probably not very indicative of anything that can be generalized nationally. If anything this type of thing may activate more “right leaning” voters that will ultimately NOT be voting for the Dem candidates. But who knows…
Not so sure about that. Scozzafava ultimately endorsing the Dem candidate probably means she was more aligned with the Dems to begin with.
Hoffman is basically only running because the PBA hates Scozzafava for not playing ball. He's not so much a Republican as he is a weapon launched against the GOP.
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Kind of analogous to the situation last year with HRC and BHO on the Dem side fighting it out but ultimately coming together against the Reps with a larger turnout than if any one of them had emerged stronger, earlier.
There's little, if any, ideological difference between Clinton and Obama.
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Kind of analogous to the situation last year with HRC and BHO on the Dem side fighting it out but ultimately coming together against the Reps with a larger turnout than if any one of them had emerged stronger, earlier. Also, this particular race is probably not very indicative of anything that can be generalized nationally. If anything this type of thing may activate more “right leaning” voters that will ultimately NOT be voting for the Dem candidates. But who knows…
That's ridiculous comparing the Obama/Clinton race for the nomination of a political party to a general election which drove the republican candidate off the ballot.
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There's little, if any, ideological difference between Clinton and Obama.
Exactly. That primary was about the organizations (who generally agree on policy) battling it out over tactical direction and the national candidate.
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the difference there
was just race
she went after
hardworking people...
white people
There's little, if any, ideological difference between Clinton and Obama.
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That's ridiculous comparing the Obama/Clinton race for the nomination of a political party to a general election which drove the republican candidate off the ballot.
Wasn’t trying to compare ideologies or the actual races, just saying that potential turnout in general in opposition to Dems could actually be increased with more contention between Cons and Reps - in a similar way that last year's race mobilized more voters against Reps due to contention between the Dem candidates. And that this race specifically is really an outlier since this particular Rep candidate dropped out and endorsed the Dem against the Cons– in general I wouldn’t expect that to happen. That’s why I said “kind of analogous” – it was a bit of a stretch I know.
There's little, if any, ideological difference between Clinton and Obama.
That is true.
They also share having to begin their presidencies with economic disasters handed off by their predecessors.
Both inherited 7.4% unemployment rates and record-sized deficits and an economy in the shitter.
To clean up the mess foisted on them by the Bushes, both Obama and Clinton had to take measures that were unpopular, which gave the Republicans ammo to use in mid-term elections.....
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That is true.
They also share having to begin their presidencies with economic disasters handed off by their predecessors.
Both inherited 7.4% unemployment rates and record-sized deficits and an economy in the shitter.
To clean up the mess foisted on them by the Bushes, both Obama and Clinton had to take measures that were unpopular, which gave the Republicans ammo to use in mid-term elections.....
Obama is quadrupling down on stupidity. As far as him saying he inherited everything. Enough with the bitching and act like a fucking leader he should have stayed a Junior Senator if he didnt want the job. Being President isn't all about the perks
As far as Republicans many will not vote for one just because they have an R next to their name. On the other hand many democrats are faithful no matter how sleazy their man is, just look at Murtha, Rangel and others
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...also clinton inherited an economy that was on an upswing, at least that's how I remeber. I personaly don't care to see another bush in or near the white house....
...also clinton inherited an economy that was on an upswing, at least that's how I remeber. I personaly don't care to see another bush in or near the white house....
I didnt vote for him either. He would have been just as bad
worse, he's the tard that made the telecom act back in the day which paved the way for $100 cell phone bills while the rest of the world pays 1/3rd as much for the same service
same for broadband, etc
he's not a conservative, he is a how can I get rich from this job sleazebag
worse, he's the tard that made the telecom act back in the day which paved the way for $100 cell phone bills while the rest of the world pays 1/3rd as much for the same service
same for broadband, etc
he's not a conservative, he is a how can I get rich from this job sleazebag
You think Obama is bad on Immigration? no wonder he was mentioned as Juan McCain
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You think Obama is bad on Immigration? no wonder he was mentioned as Juan McCain
OK, now you're just creepy.
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Look at his policies at immigration. Is he not Mr open Borders? He was the co author of McCain Kennedy
McCain would have been a horrible President wouldnt you agree with that? And as far as him being a conservative he was definitely not that, he just liked to put that label on when it was convenient for him
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I mean it's creepy that you went on a spree and were bringing up immigration in pretty much every political thread.
I don't think McCain would have been a horrible President if he had been elected in 2000, but 2008 McCain would have been a mess.
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When It has to do with a certain topic or issue like this, why shouldnt I bring it up?
If the Yankees would have lost the world series you think I would have blamed it on the illegals?
Definitely.
And you basically brought it up in every active political thread that day. Even Lou Dobbs doesn't hate it that much.
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As far as him saying he inherited everything. Enough with the bitching and act like a fucking leader he should have stayed a Junior Senator if he didnt want the job.
He would not have to point that out if there were not so many dolts out there who tried to name it the "Obama Recession" even though it began in December 2007.
Those same dolts act as if Obama started with a clean slate instead of being handed off a disaster to clean up.
Clinton and Obama were both handed off economic disasters.
Clinton, beginning with the 1993 Deficit Reduction Act (which not a single Republican voted for) put us on the path to not just recovery, but balanced budgets, a smaller federal government, a decrease in poverty, wages of lower income groups growing faster than those in upper income groups, massive increases in exports and more.
It took time, and like now, Republicans mostly got in the way and tried to profit from misery, bitching that Clinton was not able to do in a year or two what they had been unable to do the previous 4.
Obama has taken responsibility from the beginning.
If I was a conservative and had seen the disaster my party's policies had brought about, I would not want to be reminded of it, either.
I have not heard Obama say he did not want the job, but I admit I don't see every news story and may have missed the one where he said he didn't want the job.
Gotta link?
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He would not have to point that out if there were not so many dolts out there who tried to name it the "Obama Recession" even though it began in December 2007.
Those same dolts act as if Obama started with a clean slate instead of being handed off a disaster to clean up.
Clinton and Obama were both handed off economic disasters.
Clinton, beginning with the 1993 Deficit Reduction Act (which not a single Republican voted for) put us on the path to not just recovery, but balanced budgets, a smaller federal government, a decrease in poverty, wages of lower income groups growing faster than those in upper income groups, massive increases in exports and more.
It took time, and like now, Republicans mostly got in the way and tried to profit from misery, bitching that Clinton was not able to do in a year or two what they had been unable to do the previous 4.
Obama has taken responsibility from the beginning.
If I was a conservative and had seen the disaster my party's policies had brought about, I would not want to be reminded of it, either.
I have not heard Obama say he did not want the job, but I admit I don't see every news story and may have missed the one where he said he didn't want the job.
Gotta link?
I didnt say that he didnt want the job but the consntant blaming of the previous administration shows that he cant just shut up and lead. He sounds like an old yenta sometimes
Obamas taking responsibility you are correct on that. Hes taking responsibility for driving the economy into the ground even further. The same stupidity that got us here hes moving at a quicker speed. This distorted math of his claiming he saved or created X number amount of jobs, what the fuck kind of logic is that? Where are the shovel ready jobs? Last month alone 65K construction jobs gone. You brought up deficit reduction act but to Obama he doesnt care about deficits. There will be trillion dollar deficits for years to come They want to raise the debt ceiling again soon to 13 trillion. I believe in Dubyas 8 years the debt ceiling went from 5 trillion to about 10 trillion. Already in 10 months the ceiling was raised to 12 trillion
I dont know why everyone called Bush a conservative he was far from it. He expanded the government more since LBJ. Just because someone quotes the bible doesnt make him a conservative
I dont buy this you have to spend money to make money. Our economic house is crumbling, the dollar is losing value, commodoties are going up. Our long term economic outlook isnt looking too good. The stock market is not a leading indicator
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