Yesterday on the Ron and Fez show a fan wrote in with a moral conundrum - he was feigning being a devout Christian to land (and keep) a job with a Christian organization. The fan described himself as a one-time Christian who was now an atheist, but said he's willing to keep up the facade in order to make money.
Dave and Fez said they agreed; making a living is far more important than your personal convictions.
Could you so easily go against your core beliefs in order to make a buck?
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Depends on what belief was being challenged. Sometimes one has to be a realist as opposed to an idealist.
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I did what this guy described today. I took a job with a Christian organization in Berkeley that arranged for Chinese academics to come to the States and vise versa. They asked me if I was a Christian and I said I was raised in a church and lied about "maintaining a faith"
working there was the second worst work experience of my life (telemarketing when I was an especially poor student is #1). Fucking awful - I would just nod when they talked about Jesus and how they were doing the Lord's work. I lasted a couple of months. I would have serious questions about someone's integrity, honesty if they could stay in a situation like this.
Its easy for me to sit here and say that I wouldn't, and that there are some things more important than money, but when you have a wife and kids to feed? Importance of personal convictions changes awful fast.
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I guess I wouldn't lie about it. But I do think you can have a job that has different beliefs if you can differentiate yours and theirs at home and outside of work, and even inside of work as long as you don't preach your beliefs at your workplace.
For example: Our church and several other churches have secretaries and a lot times they aren't even members at that church yet they still work there. Religious practices from church to church can be quite significant.
Another example: You could like Chevy Trucks, but be a salesperson for Ford Trucks. You have to find the good things about the job and stress those rather than the "bad" things.
If I was asked a year or 2 ago, I would say no.
Ask me now? I will sell you on Jesus, Buddah and Mohammed all in the same pitch. I'll also throw in a Sham Wow and a McGuire rookie card.
This recession has me by the balls.
I have to take care of a wife, kids, keep a roof over our heads, camping gear, Chrismas is coming up soon...
You get the picture. Until times get better, I'll sell you my mother for the right price.
When things do turn around, I shall try to get back to my core beliefs. Service Before Self. Part of the Boy Scout Creed.
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I will sell you on Jesus, Buddah and Mohammed all in the same pitch. I'll also throw in a Sham Wow and a McGuire rookie card.
What.
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Most of the time, probably. It depends on the situation. if somebody was like, 'here's 40 million dollars but you have to pretend that you LOVE country music for the rest of your life.' id do it. but if it was, 'heres 40 million dollars but you have to kill your sister.' i wouldnt.
It would depend on the situation. Say this job in this christian organization was taking care of paperwork and updating their files...shit like that. As long as all I had to do was the work, smile and throw a "God be with you" at my co-workers here and their I could do it.
But if I didnt believe in God and my job was to convince others that believing in God was the way to live your life. Id have alot more trouble. Simply because Im a terrible liar. It comes very unnaturally for me.
That being said, when it comes to putting food on the table and clothes on my kids, hard or not Id do whatever was necessary to make that coin. Id sellout my beliefs in a heartbeat before Id make my kids suffer because of them.
That being said, when it comes to putting food on the table and clothes on my kids, hard or not Id do whatever was necessary to make that coin. Id sellout my beliefs in a heartbeat before Id make my kids suffer because of them.
I fully understand the love and devotion a parent feels for their children, but I wonder what does them a greater disservice; forcing them to do without or teaching them it's OK to do whatever it takes to make a living, no matter the cost to your dignity.
Not judging you Skeet, especially since I'm not a parent myself. I just wonder if the kids wouldn't lose a little respect for you when they're older if they found out you "sold out."
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Not judging you Skeet, especially since I'm not a parent myself. I just wonder if the kids wouldn't lose a little respect for you when they're older if they found out you "sold out."
"I didn't sell out, son...I bought in."
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I fully understand the love and devotion a parent feels for their children, but I wonder what does them a greater disservice; forcing them to do without or teaching them it's OK to do whatever it takes to make a living, no matter the cost to your dignity.
Not judging you Skeet, especially since I'm not a parent myself. I just wonder if the kids wouldn't lose a little respect for you when they're older if they found out you "sold out."
like the man said, it's just some lip-service to the faith. not like they're asking him to sacrifice a virgin or anything. no big deal. no hit to dignity.
Yesterday on the Ron and Fez show a fan wrote in with a moral conundrum - he was feigning being a devout Christian to land (and keep) a job with a Christian organization. The fan described himself as a one-time Christian who was now an atheist, but said he's willing to keep up the facade in order to make money.
Dave and Fez said they agreed; making a living is far more important than your personal convictions.
Could you so easily go against your core beliefs in order to make a buck?
I fully understand the love and devotion a parent feels for their children, but I wonder what does them a greater disservice; forcing them to do without or teaching them it's OK to do whatever it takes to make a living, no matter the cost to your dignity.
Not judging you Skeet, especially since I'm not a parent myself. I just wonder if the kids wouldn't lose a little respect for you when they're older if they found out you "sold out."
Its cool. I understand. Like I said, it depends on the situation. I mean if my boss called me his bitch and made me shine his shoes and do other disrespectful shit, Id beat his ass and go look for another job. But there are plenty of things Id put up with in order to pay my bills.
At my one job I have pictures of each kid put up behind my bar so I can look and remember what the fuck Im doing there.
I would hope my kids would respect me more for the sacrifices I made in order to give them a better life, which is the real point in being a parent, rather then giving a fuck about me selling out my personal beliefs.
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Its cool. I understand. Like I said, it depends on the situation. I mean if my boss called me his bitch and made me shine his shoes and do other disrespectful shit, Id beat his ass and go look for another job. But there are plenty of things Id put up with in order to pay my bills.
At my one job I have pictures of each kid put up behind my bar so I can look and remember what the fuck Im doing there.
I would hope my kids would respect me more for the sacrifices I made in order to give them a better life, which is the real point in being a parent, rather then giving a fuck about me selling out my personal beliefs.
Beating the shit out of a boss doesn't seem like the best way to ensure that you can provide for your family.
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My point was there are certain things Ill put up with and swallow my pride for in order to keep my job, but there are breaking points for me too.
Understandable, but if a boss called you a name and demanded that you shine his shoes wouldn't it make more sense to just quit as opposed to committing a criminal act?
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