N. Korea reactivates nuke sites

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THE COMMUNIST COUNTRY will use the facilities to generate electricity "at the present stage," an unidentified North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman said. His remarks were carried by the official KCNA news agency.
"The DPRK is now putting the operation of its nuclear facilities for the production of electricity on a normal footing after their restart," the spokesman said. DPRK stands for Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
"The DPRK government has already solemnly declared that its nuclear activity would be limited to the peaceful purposes including the production of electricity at the present stage," the spokesman said.
However, U.S. officials and nuclear experts say the amount of electricity that North Korea can produce at its nuclear facilities is negligible. The facilities at Yongbyon, north of Pyongyang, were the center of a suspected nuclear weapons program in the 1990s.
The North Korean spokesman criticized U.S. efforts to bring the nuclear dispute to the U.N. Security Council, saying the matter is between the North and the United States only.
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"If the U.N. Security Council responsible for the issue of world peace and security does not call the U.S. wrong Korean policy to task, this organization will turn out to be partial and the DPRK will, accordingly, not recognize it," the spokesman said.
North Korea, which often accuses Washington of plotting to invade it, said in December that it would reactivate a 5-megawatt Soviet-designed reactor that was frozen under a 1994 energy deal with Washington.
The facilities at Yongbyon include a building apparently taking on cargo at the storage facility where spent nuclear fuel rods are stored. If the rods are processed, enough plutonium can be extracted to make several nuclear weapons, U.S. officials have said.


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If any country were to pull off a nuclear strike, i guarntee they'd have the entire world on their asses. Especially if North Korea did it, because whyo do they think they are, US.

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because whyo do they think they are, US.



Whats that supossed to mean?

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[ed301]

if N.korea boils over i can asure you all we will see ww3. they have already stated this. they have a huge army, and an ally to the north.

we would have allies in the area also, like s. korea, japan, australia, and im sure a few euro states will get involved.

if this does turn into a "hot war" good have mercy on us all.

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[TheMojoPin]

if this does turn into a "hot war" good have mercy on us all.

More like "God have mercy on our troops sent there and the surrounding countries." North Korea, like China, does not have the capability to send a hail of nukes raining down on us from the sky.

*EDIT* This is not a "defense" of North Korea, nor an argument for us not to get involved. I think North Korea poses a far more dangerous, unpredictable and imemdiate threat than Iraq, and I hope that our government wisely realizes we need to deal with them, ASAP.*EDIT*

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[Orallo]

I think north korea is playing its last and only card. Oriental culture does not permit begging, and honor is more important than life itself.

They rather go to (self-anihilating) war than surrender (or give in to the world).

They are starving, they are ruled by a crazy midget, but when it comes down to it, they rather stick to their own psycho then admit defeat to the rest of the world.

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[ed301]

North Korea, like China, does not have the capability to send a hail of nukes raining down on us from the sky.


your wrong on this one. china is reported to have missiles Capable of reaching parts of alaska and the west coast.

n korea on the other hand has missile that can only reach part of alaska and hawaii



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[TheMojoPin]

your wrong on this one. china is reported to have missiles Capable of reaching parts of alaska and the west coast.

n korea on the other hand has missile that can only reach part of alaska and hawaii

Nah, I knew that, I just wasn't counting them. "Us" meant us east coasters. DC's over HERE...you can't really be all that much a truly credible threat if your nukes can't even get near your enemies capital. It is already confirmed China CAN pepper Cali and the coast with missiles, but can't even get as far inland as Arizona.

But rest assured, the threat of North Korea being able to lay the nuke down over there and on any of our troops in the area is still plenty hairy. Not a good situation at all, no matter how you look at it...

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It is already confirmed China CAN pepper Cali and the coast with missiles

Where will the Mexicans go if that happens?

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Where will the Mexicans go if that happens?

Texas. And hopefully they'll just take it back with them when nobody's looking.

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[ed301]

...you can't really be all that much a truly credible threat if your nukes can't even get near your enemies capital.


not true. hawaii has alot of high value military targets, as does alaska. cali and wash have many mill targets too but, just cuz a nuke lands on the west coast doesnt mean the east wont be affected. the fallout carried by the jet stream will spead fallout all across the USA....well depends on the time of the year.

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Texas. And hopefully they'll just take it back with them when nobody's looking.



Haha, good call.

Hawaii is a pretty strategic area. It connects a 6,500 mile wide ocean. About 2,500 miles from cali and 4,000 miles from Asia (Not sure what part of Asia is closest). All our military is on the same island over there and I'm pretty sure 1 nuke would kill everybody on that island. As far as Alaska goes...I dont think we have any military very close to the shore..so im not sure if they could be hit.

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North Korea can hit the continental US with a nuclear weapon..it's been stated by the UN an other documented resources. As well as,China could easily attack if desired.

Ps..doesn't anyone find it funny how the US offers North Korea an aid package and energy packages when they hold a more serious threat towards the US...and the latter of enemy - Iraq..we via for a war? Can you say oil interests....

[ed301]

oil my ass...its about WMD and terrorists. it all comes down to Strategic planing. iraq is the weaker of the 2 in a sense. we have fought them befor and know their tactics. their army is nothing compared to Nkorea. Nkorea has the bomb iraq does not. fighting Nkorea would not be a good idea right away Nkorea has forests and hills and moutains and a Fierce army unlike iraq which is manly flat and its army is not as strong as in 91.

ppl who say this is about oil are not aware of how the world works and dont understand this about lives of the free and innocent.

oil my ass

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[Heavy]

We got attacked. We attacked back, and will soon attack yet another country as a result of the attack on us. Lets take care of this and just be ready for Korea for the meantime...ok?

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[FiveB247]

You talk of war and politics like it's a game of Risk! If they hit us, we hit them back?! You obviously have no clue of W.M.D. and such.

And as for Iraq not being a war for oil, what is it about then? DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE US INTERESTS LIE IN THE LIVES OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE?
If you do, you seriously are clueless.

[Heavy]

So you suggest we do what then?

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[FiveB247]

First off...we should continue to press for continued UN inspections as well as pass along the so-called information the US has on such sites and weapons (the US claims to know and have).

The US should be more focused in dealing with North Korea and trying to continue peaceful means to have them slow down or end their nuclear programs.

[irishkb]

N.Korea will be alone if they do anything like bomb anyone.. they are surround by other countries that will be effected by any sort of nuclear attack. china, south korea and possibly russia would all suffer from the wind and fallout.. so north korea is all alone on this one.

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[FiveB247]

The UN and US has made large mentions of the fact that North Korea sells and would sell any type of weapons to any buyer willing to pay. That alone makes them a larger threat then Iraq, nonetheless North Korea has admitted to having nukes and is developing more.

[CaptClown]

Until you see North Korea makes a move across the DMZ or launches a nuke, they are just blowing hot air. If a nuke of North Korean origin gets set off near either China or Russia, they are just as likely to bitchslap North Korea themselves. If they launch a nuke against the US will make North Korea a glowing crater. All this means is they either have to hold on to the nukes they make or be very selective to whom they sell them, because they know the shit will hit the fan if it can be traced back to them. So let them try to feed their people 30-40 pounds of Plutonium they may get from their 50 megawatt plant or keep buying food and oil on the black market .

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And as for Iraq not being a war for oil, what is it about then? DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE US INTERESTS LIE IN THE LIVES OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE?
If you do, you seriously are clueless.

You never give up, do you? I know the answer, but go ahead and give your spin on this: what was America's interest when they stepped in and attacked Serbia? I am sure it had nothing to do with ending the Ethnic Cleansing of the Albanians, right? No doubt you will say it was for the huge oil reserves the Serbs had...

[FiveB247]

No, the Serbian situation was completely different. But now that you mention that, It was widely reported upon beforehand, that if the US attacked via NATO, the killings and such would elevate to higher levels. But the US ignored such notions, threw some missiles, and the ethnic cleansing elevated to their highest levels. But all you hear and read about is the "humanitarian efforts" of the US. It's a good PR move, just like bombing the hell out of Afghanistan...as well as dropping food relief. It's nothing more then PR.

[ed301]

Until you see North Korea makes a move across the DMZ or launches a nuke, they are just blowing hot air.


would you realy wana risk it?

If a nuke of North Korean origin gets set off near either China or Russia, they are just as likely to bitchslap North Korea themselves.

lets all try to remember the last war in korea. china sided with the north and attacked UN forces. russia sent there best fighter pilots to help againt UN forces.

now, alot has changed since then. russia would not get involved unless china did and would prob side with us on that one. china on the other has are sneeky sons of bitchez and i would not trust em.

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[ed301]

It's a good PR move, just like bombing the hell out of Afghanistan...as well as dropping food relief. It's nothing more then PR.

remember Nam "wining the harts and minds of the ppl"

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[FiveB247]

You guys are funny..you have sides picked for WWIII. haha

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the killings and such would elevate to higher levels. But the US ignored such notions, threw some missiles, and the ethnic cleansing elevated to their highest levels.

You've gotta be kidding me. First of all you never addressed why we took action in the first place, as was asked. Secondly some lunatic threatening to pick up the pace of killing is hardly a reason NOT to act. There were mass graves before we ever did anything.

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North Korea will collapse by itself.
It's a shithole.

[ed301]

You guys are funny..you have sides picked for WWIII.

its already started

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[FiveB247]

If you want to understand one specific "humanitarian effort" by the US, you must look at the whole scenario as well as look at other situations where we did not react with such "noble causes."

Read this article and learn a few things like consistency, hypocrisy and political manipulation.
(http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/z9905-balkans.htm)

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as well as look at other situations where we did not react with such "noble causes."

Are you saying because there are other situations we havnt acted on that out involvment there was about something else?? WHAT WAS IT ABOUT???

And dont post some article link as an answer.

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[ed301]

ed301 - please change your sig


can u make me abetter one?

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FiveB247 really is NOT a shiny happy person.

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[Bergalad]

No, the Serbian situation was completely different. But now that you mention that, It was widely reported upon beforehand, that if the US attacked via NATO, the killings and such would elevate to higher levels. But the US ignored such notions, threw some missiles, and the ethnic cleansing elevated to their highest levels. But all you hear and read about is the 'humanitarian efforts' of the US. It's a good PR move

You're still going strong! We did more than 'throw some missles', we emplaced and still have ground troops there to stop the violence, just as we continue to do in Bosnia. How is all that a 'good PR move'? It's called being concerned for life, for stability in the region. As shocking as an idea it may be to you, maybe that is behind what we are doing in Iraq as well. If we wanted the f'ing oil so much, we could easily have done what the French did: make illegal deals with the Iraqi government for nearly exclusive rights to the oil sales in exchange for pressing for removal of the sanctions. It's the damn French who are making this about oil.

[CaptClown]

would you realy wana risk it?
I sure do. How else are you going to stop their threatening other than to call their bluff?


lets all try to remember the last war in korea. china sided with the north and attacked UN forces. russia sent there best fighter pilots to help againt UN forces.

now, alot has changed since then. russia would not get involved unless china did and would prob side with us on that one. china on the other has are sneeky sons of bitchez and i would not trust em.
That means that China is just as likely to turn against North Korea. I would talk to them about further isolating North Korea. I would then advise them to tell their smugglers to start raising the prices of the goods, they are sneaking into North Korea, exponetially. If that doesn't bring them totheir sense then ...

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[FiveB247]

This has absolutely nothing to do with me being happy or unhappy. It's about being consistent in US policies and not being hypocritical. For one small example of Bosnia, there are 10-20 unanswered humanitarian efforts we ignore due to US lack of interest. And you want to talk of France making deals for oil? How bout you talk of the thousands of Iraqi people that starve and die due to US sanctions (which are also in violation of the UN declaration of Human Rights). Don't pick one instance and assume it makes up for all of them and one deed doesn't encompass our entire policy/ causes and interests. That is why Bosnia is a PR move. Cause the US sheds light on 1 of 20 that we involve ourselves in to make it look as if we actually care.

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[Bergalad]

For one small example of Bosnia, there are 10-20 unanswered humanitarian efforts we ignore due to US lack of interest.

Why do you define Bosnia as a 'small example'? We sent over two divisions into there!
How bout you talk of the thousands of Iraqi people that starve and die due to US sanctions (which are also in violation of the UN declaration of Human Rights).

Those are UNITED NATIONS SANCTIONS YOU IDIOT!!!! Just stop!
That is why Bosnia is a PR move. Cause the US sheds light on 1 of 20 that we involve ourselves in to make it look as if we actually care.
That 1 in 20 you are so callous about is one more than your beloved France has concerned itself with.
Here, spin this one. The US and Brittan currently enforce the 'No-Fly Zones" in Iraq, with the stated mission to protect the populations from Saddam. Now, these Zones have not been directed by the UN, but by the US and UK. If the US is not concerned with humanitarian efforts, why are they doing this? Let the spin begin...

[Recyclerz]

It's about being consistent in US policies and not being hypocritical. For one small example of Bosnia, there are 10-20 unanswered humanitarian efforts we ignore due to US lack of interest. And you want to talk of France making deals for oil? How bout you talk of the thousands of Iraqi people that starve and die due to US sanctions (which are also in violation of the UN declaration of Human Rights). Don't pick one instance and assume it makes up for all of them and one deed doesn't encompass our entire policy/ causes and interests. That is why Bosnia is a PR move. Cause the US sheds light on 1 of 20 that we involve ourselves in to make it look as if we actually care. <P>
FiveB Dude, you need to get some perspective. Since the US became a super/hyper/imperialist power(you choose), let's say after WW2, it hasn't acted that badly, with the notable exceptions of the Vietnam War and the passive support for South American dictators (but those are for another thread). Yes, it primarily acts when it perceives its economic interests are threatened, but that's what countries, who can, do. No one nation, regardless of how powerful, can make everybody play nice all over the planet and implement Amnesty International's human rights policies (yes, I'm a member too) in every village. <P>
Does our rhetoric outstretch our actions? Yes it does. However, in recent history (the last 100 years or so)has the US done more good than harm? Yes and by a wide, wide margin. Just compare the North Koreans who are literally eating grass with the French and Germans who are criticizing us from their comfy, bourgeois homes. <P>
PS One more point. I want to go further than Bergladad's correct assertion that the UN has leveled the sanctions against Iraq. I'll argue that the sanctions have not harmed one Iraqi child. Saddam's regime using the money Iraq receives from the oil for food program to maintain his military dictatorship and his Swiss bank accounts is what is starving and denying medicine to those kids. <P>
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[FiveB247]

First off, stop being absurd and calling me names. Grow up.

Secondly, Maybe you find it acceptable for the US to act upon its interests at all means necessary and pick and choose it's obligations, but when dealing with worldly issues, it's hypocritical and gives others reasons to hate and despise us (all with good reason). You talk of one instance where the US has actually some-what worked along side of the UN, but in terms of everything and all the problems we encounter it's a drop in the bucket. And it's the rest of the world getting pissed upon. The US largely funds the UN, the IMF, World Bank and WTO (to name a few) and due to these factors, they believe they are out of the realm of law, rules and workings we dictate upon other nations.

All of you don't seem to see outside of the realm as an American, and therefore don't care. Maybe you think it's ok for the US to not get involved or help other nations, but when you think about it, it's more a shame, greedy and self-involved then anything. It's almost funny, the more idealist/ caring for the future and others a person is, the more "extreme, radical and belittled" they are classified. Our society is sad and f'ed up. Sorry if my notions and beliefs of betterment of the world somehow offend you boobs. But quite frankly, Everything comes full circle in life and people get their just due in by the end.

[travis151]

China and North Korea do not get along anymore. This will not be another Iraq . If we didn't have all our attention with Iraq we would of had stop this situation with N.K.already and North Korea knows that they're using this (IRAQ)to flex their muscles. China needs the U.S. more then ever we help the Chinese economy run they have to support a billion people and we give them more food then any country in the world in return we buy their products. There will not be a war in any of the Koreas unless we all decide that living on this planet is just a waste of our time. <P>

[Bergalad]

First off, stop being absurd and calling me names. Grow up.

Sorry if my notions and beliefs of betterment of the world somehow offend you boobs.
Nice of you to take your own advice.
You talk of one instance where the US has actually some-what worked along side of the UN, but in terms of everything and all the problems we encounter it's a drop in the bucket. And it's the rest of the world getting pissed upon.

Provide for the board some of these instances where we 'pissed on' the world. Go ahead. I dare you. You won't, because you can't. But you somehow spin into evil our assistance in situations like Bosnia, Kosovo, Rowanda, Haiti, and Afghanistan. Give us some reason to believe what you are saying. Stop making unfounded and unproven statements.

[travis151]

Nobody should be calling anybody names it is immature, but are you smoking crack,its funny how you can say U.N. sanctions has lead to thousands of Iraqi people to starve but it is the billions a dollars the Iraq recieves from their oil industry goes to build Saddam's Palaces and building Iraq half ass army what a joke . I could go on and on but it wouldn't matter . Our country should stand alone of course thats until terroists attack another country then thats when they will ask for help ...again. <P>

[NewYorkDragons80]

n korea on the other hand has missile that can only reach part of alaska and hawaii
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lets all try to remember the last war in korea. china sided with the north and attacked UN forces. russia sent there best fighter pilots to help againt UN forces.

That was a few years after China went Communist. Of course they would help fellow Communists. Now they're going more and more Capitalist. They don't care about North Korea. As far as the fighter pilots, there's no USSR left.

[FiveB247]

Red Dragon, you are incorrect...here is a story from CNN quoting US officials saying that North Korea could hit Alaska or Hawaii with nukes.
(http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/01/14/nkorea.missile.ap/index.html)

Bergalad, unfounded and unproven statements? Everything I've said is discussed in educational settings. Notions and trends such as globalization, emire, privatization/corporation, social displacement as well as the North-South barrier; they all are being discussed in Grad schools and colleges. These aren't hidden topics I wish to make up, they are legitimate trends written on by authors and studied by intellects. You may not agree with them, but that does not take away from fact or validity. Just as well, due to the media bias in this country, the aren't reported on much.

I can't simply write a post on World Politics and try to convey the holistic issues involved in US hypocrisy in their policies. I can give you various reported articles, books and such which capsulate these issues and notions I am trying to make mention and shed light upon. If you wish ignore such items, that is your choice, but does not mean such things do not exist or are legitimate and valid.

Here are a few readings

NY Times Magazine Section January 5, 2003
THE AMERICAN EMPIRE
By Michael Ignatieff

Foreign Affairs Magazine
AMERICA AND THE WORLD: DEBATING THE NEW SHAPE OF INTERNATIONAL POLITICS
by James F., Jr. Hoge (Editor), Gideon Rose (Editor), James F. Hoge Jr., 2002

Noam Chomsky's 9-11
(also note the section on Al-Shifa factory, quite a nice terrorist bombing by the US on a medical supplies factory due to GATT and profit margins).

Those are just a few so you can understand the real issues at hand in politics and international on-goings. All I do is give you these to read with the mention of giving you proof of validity and truths.

[LiquidCourage]

Even if North Korea could hit Alaska or Hawaii, why would they?
There's some military there, but nothing special. Not worth attacking with a nuke. That would be the end of North Korea.

[TheMojoPin]

There's some military there, but nothing special. Not worth attacking with a nuke. That would be the end of North Korea.

Like if Saddam just started randomly shooting off his WMD's, right?

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[LiquidCourage]

I don't buy into that theory on Iraq.

I do think that once he gets his hands on some stuff he'll try to muscle his way around the Mid East, though.

Also humanitarian reasons.

I'm not really behind this though. Being 21, I can't in good conscious sit on my ass in a classroom all day and scream "Let's go get those son's of bitches!" and demand that a whole bunch of other 21 year olds are sent in.

[TheMojoPin]

Fair enough.

I just can't even begin to predict what Kim Jong Il would want to do with his nukes. He's got issues with SK, Japan, China, Russia, us...

He scares the pants off of me...if only he'd just settle down and try and charm them off instead...



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[LiquidCourage]

North Korea is pretty scary, but I think they'll just fall apart.
Unlike Iraq, they have absolutely nothing to offer the world. While people are pouring their money into Iraq and making Saddam richer by the minute, North Korea has barely any income at all, and then just pours that into their military. It's gonna be even harder on them now that they're not getting those oil shipments.


The biggest problem with North Korea though is that if they're attacked at all, even if it's just a few bombs to destroy their nuclear capabilities, they'll completely unload on the South and level it.
Seoul will be a pile of rubble.

[Bergalad]

Everything I've said is discussed in educational settings. Notions and trends such as globalization, emire, privatization/corporation, social displacement as well as the North-South barrier: they all are being discussed in Grad schools and colleges. These aren't hidden topics I wish to make up, they are legitimate trends written on by authors and studied by intellects. You may not agree with them, but that does not take away from fact or validity. Just as well, due to the media bias in this country, the aren't reported on much.

What book did you get all that out of? Still not answering my questions though, not at all.

[LiquidCourage]

I can't stand when people copy and paste stuff from websites, then call it 'fact'.
Anyone with an agenda can make a website.

[Bergalad]

Well LC, I think you are wrong! Of course pasting things from websites makes them fact! Why look, I have this link http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/news/index.cfm?instanceid=55721 that clearly shows the ghosts of firefighters returning to save lives! It has to be true!

[bisqit999]

Hey, shit happens. What can ya do?

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[FiveB247]

I never cut and pasted anything at all...I gave links to reliable and creditable sources...if you don't want to accept that...fine...but they are legitimate sources...the same type you get your info or perception of on-goings from.

If you don't agree with the things I've said...so be it..but that doesn't mean I'm making or pieces items together. And the simple idea that you would make such mentions of that is ridiculous and against the principles this nation was founded upon. You all point your finger at me for believing and remarking on anti-American policy and making light of items I disagree with and such, but you can't accept another view and bash the idea of such mentions. In this country, the objection to policy and mention of such on-goings stagnates and is set to be belittle the person with such views. And if you think otherwise, just look at our narrow minded 2 party political system.

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FiveB247, that article does not conflict with my previous post. Here is the highlight of the article:
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- North Korea, which says it might resume missile tests, could be ready to test a two-stage rocket capable of reaching Alaska or Hawaii with a nuclear weapon-sized payload, according to U.S. defense analysts.
This means that North Korea is preparing to test their missile abilities, not that they have been proven. All your article proves is what everyone agrees on; North Korea is approaching the capability to attack the United States, but has yet to reach their goal. As I said in my last post, the last time North Korea tested a missile, it was not able to reach Hawaii, so why should I think that this test would be more successful? Nowhere does it say that North Korea currently has the capability to reach Alaska and/or Hawaii. It says that they theoretically "Could." Theoretically, I "Could" kick Mike Tyson's teeth down his throat. Theoretically, the New York Rangers "Could" make the playoffs. Theoretically (and the most likely of all scenarios) you "Could" be wrong on this one.
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[LiquidCourage]

Holy shit, why do liberals always think their patriotism is being questioned????
Seriously, I hear this all the time.
I heard Susan Sarandon say this, Tom Morello, Dustin Hoffman, and a few others.

I never heard anyone call them anti American, yet every single one of them scream "Questioning the government is what America is all about! I'M the REAL American around here!"

Even Rush Limbaugh and all those guys never called them anti American.
Maybe some other stuff, but not anti American.

[TheMojoPin]

Holy shit, why do liberals always think their patriotism is being questioned????
Seriously, I hear this all the time.

Because one of the laziest, most ugly criticisms of "liberals" (Mostly by useless talking heads like Coulter and Hannity and G. Gordon Liddy) is that they "hate America". Hell, there's a book out right now called "Why The Left Hates America"...it's as stupid as liberals painting conservatives as all being Bible-thumping racists, but it DOES happen. A lot.

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[LiquidCourage]

There ARE a lot of people in the EXTREME left who do hate America though, seriously.

Every time I meet these people they talk about all sorts of conspiracy theories, plots to overthrow governments by the CIA, etc.
What's their plan?
Move to Canada.

None of them realize that they're not wanted in Canada.
You have to have a few hundred grand to move their.

[FiveB247]

That's another retarded notion..."if you don't agree with policy...move elsewhere"?! Just cause the US is the most powerful and best nation now-a-days..doesn't mean there is room for improvement or betterment. One who fails to seek achievement and betterment, settles for mediocre. And there's nothing sadder than failed achievement; everyone should seek beyond themselves to seek the maximum.

[LiquidCourage]

No, but there's people who think that EVERYTHING is wrong with this country.

I say that other than Civil rights, the environment, and the fact that girls were complete prudes, this country should go back to the 50s.

Seriously.

[FiveB247]

I never, ever said once, that everything is wrong with this nation...just some of the things. I'm not one of these "let's scrap the system kinda people". I merely believe policies need to change. There's nothing wrong with government, it's the type of people we have there is what is wrong. :)

[LiquidCourage]

I never said you, but there's lots of people that basically think that everything about the US needs to change (but then of course they wrap themselves in the American flag for exercising their right to free speech).
I'm talking about the scumbag ACLU types.

[bigbaldirish]

from the first page of this group of posts And as for Iraq not being a war for oil, what is it about then?

George W. Bush says "saddam tried to kill my daddy and war will help my oil businees."
i think taking out saddam is a good idea, i just think we're doing it for the wrong reasons. N korea on the other hand should be taken out, for the mere fact that they continue to make nukes, after agreeing not too in U.N> resolutions. N. Korea is not a U.S. problem per se, it is a world problem.
Iraq on the other hand, is a U.S. problem... i believe terrorist funding comes from iraq.
and saudi, and kuwaiti governments BUT that's a whole different thread.

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[CaptClown]

George W. Bush says "saddam tried to kill my daddy and war will help my oil businees."

So what is wrong with taking out some scumbag who put a hit out on your father, especially when he gives you many reasons to do so, thereby freeing other people who would rather not have to deal with said scumbag? If you won't look out for and protect your own family why would you look out and protect me and the rest of the country, whom you are supposed to be leading?

N korea on the other hand should be taken out, for the mere fact that they continue to make nukes, after agreeing not too in U.N> resolutions.
I agree that NK is a UN problem even though the North Koreans are trying to make it a US problem.

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[TheMojoPin]

George W. Bush says

"Saddam say 'REEELAAAAAAAAX!'"

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[FiveB247]

Liquid Courage? ACLU types? What the hell are you smoking? The ACLU is a good group that protects individuals freedoms. Albeit they do have Rev. Al, but regardless, as a whole..it's a very good and necessary organization.

[LiquidCourage]

I don't even have to argue any longer after that post.

[FiveB247]

Organization like ACLU, etc..protect freedoms our forefathers preceded to in the Federalist Papers. Items such as tyranny of the majority and interest groups to name a few; Maybe you should study your history before you comment on the present.

[LiquidCourage]

Ripping crosses off of war memorials does NOT make you a freedom fighter.

There's a special place in hell for the scumbags in the ACLU.

[TheMojoPin]

The ACLU is a great organization in premise, but they don't put enough sense in some of the cases they choose. They take hundreds each year that actually are to the benefit of all Americans, but are so mundane and lowkey that they don't make the news. It's the slap-yourself-in-the-forehead ones that always make the press, and deservedly so. Yes, they CAN say "no", and they need to more often.

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[TheMojoPin]

Ripping crosses off of war memorials does NOT make you a freedom fighter.

There's a special place in hell for the scumbags in the ACLU.

Re-read what I said. The ACLU takes a LOT of stupid and frivilous cases that they shouldn't have to begin with, but they DO also take their share of issues and cases that DO need to be addressed and protected. Try and go beyond what the editorial section of the paper tells you and do a little digging. The ACLU is an important organization that should exist...they just need some serious fine-tuning.

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[LiquidCourage]

It's like they ran out of any serious cases to work on and so all they were left with was child molestors to defend.

I hope someone throws a bomb through the window of their office.

[TheMojoPin]

You're an idiot.

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[LiquidCourage]

No, you're the....
Uh, nevermind.

[TheMojoPin]

Kiss me, you tool.

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[FiveB247]

What type of odd morals and beliefs do you stand along with Liquid Courage? The ACLU in hell? All I've heard from you in this entire thread is nationalist tendencies and bashing those of opposing ideas. Maybe you should take a good look at how our nation operates as a "democracy" now compared to the beliefs it was based upon. It's quite sad in the transformation away from it's original founding.

[LiquidCourage]

The ACLU is simply out to shape the country to their agenda.
Their full of shit.
Every now and then though they'll defend a controversial political party or something to redeem themselves.

[FiveB247]

That pretty funny LC...considering the Lobbying that goes on in Washington and makes a joke of our "democratic ways". It's so funny how you poke fun of an interest group that is set to protect individual rights, yet pass over business interests that hinder processes for and by the people. I don't seem to recall Lobbying in the Constitution...do you?

[LiquidCourage]

It's so funny how you poke fun of an interest group that is set to protect individual rights


It's too bad the only rights they give people are at the expense of someone else.

[FiveB247]

LC, You kept saying to me, "where do you get your info from?" and simliar notions....with that said...Where the hell are you getting your info from about the ACLU? Talk about twisting facts around..

[LiquidCourage]

Defending NAMBLA?
Where's the honor in that????

[FiveB247]

Quoting South Park...very intelligent.

[CaptClown]

This is an unexpected turn of events. Who would have guessed South Park, NAMBLA, the ACLU would have come up in a discussion about North Korea?

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[TheMojoPin]

Defending NAMBLA?
Where's the honor in that????

I already said twice now that there and many cases and causes that the ACLU NEEDS to say "no" to taking...this being a prime example...but I still maintain the good far outweighs the bad.

Would you prefer it if the answer to "who watches the watchers" was "nobody"?

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[LiquidCourage]

I wasn't quoting South Park.
I never even saw that episode.

[FiveB247]

LC, Then it's become pretty obvious you don't know what you are talking about and simply say unfounded things. Maybe you should think before you blurt some absurdity out.

[LiquidCourage]

Forget it.
You're a radical.
You call sticking up for kid touchers 'defending the constitution.'

Let's get back to North Korea.
I don't know how things went this route.

[FiveB247]

I never brought up the ACLU, you did and for some unmentionable reason call them defenders of kid touchers? Where do you even get this stuff from, the Onion?

As for North Korea, the are a threat more so due to the fact of weapon sales and such; it is unlikely they would initiate war.

[LiquidCourage]

Okay, the idea of the ACLU is good, but I think they're all radical scumbags that do more harm than they do good. The idea of a group defending the "little guy" from the government is great, but I think they hassle people over bullshit.

Okay?

[Bergalad]

Then it's become pretty obvious you don't know what you are talking about and simply say unfounded things. Maybe you should think before you blurt some absurdity out. The pot calls the kettle what? <P>

[Bergalad]

I think this may be what LC was referring to...
BOSTON -- The American Civil Liberties Union will represent a group that advocates sex between men and boys in a lawsuit brought by the family of a slain 10-year-old.

The family of Jeffrey Curley of Cambridge said the North American Man/Boy Love Association and its website which is now offline incited the attempted molestation and murder of the boy on Oct. 1, 1997.

One of two men convicted in the killing, Charles Jaynes, 25, reportedly viewed the group's website shortly before the killing, and also had in his possession some of NAMBLA's publications. Also convicted in the killing was 24-year-old Salvatore Sicari.

The ACLU said the case, filed in federal court in mid-May, involves issues of freedom of speech and association.

"For us, it is a fundamental First Amendment case," John Roberts, executive director of the Massachusetts branch of the ACLU, told Boston Globe Wednesday. "It has to do with communications on a website, and material that does not promote any kind of criminal behavior whatsoever."

ACLU officials said NAMBLA members deny encouraging coercion, rape or violence.

Attorney Lawrence Frisoli, who represents the Curleys, said he is glad the ACLU is defending NAMBLA, because he has had trouble locating the group's members.

Harvey Silverglate, an ACLU board member, said Wednesday that the group's attorneys will try to block any attempt by the Curleys to get NAMBLA's membership lists, or other materials identifying members.

The ACLU also will act as a surrogate for NAMBLA, allowing its members to defend themselves in court while remaining anonymous.According to the Globe, NAMBLA officials in the past have said their main goal is the abolition of age-of-consent laws that classify sex with children as rape.

At two separate trials last year, prosecutors said Jaynes and Sicari were sexually obsessed with the boy, lured him from his Cambridge neighborhood with the promise of a new bike, and then smothered him with a gasoline-soaked rag when he resisted their sexual advances. They then stuffed him into a concrete-filled container and dumped it into a Maine river.

Sicari, convicted of first-degree murder, is serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole. Jaynes' second-degree murder and kidnapping convictions enable him to seek parole in 23 years.

The Curleys last week were awarded $328 million by a superior court jury in a civil suit against Jaynes and Sicari.

Copyright (c) 2000 The Associated Press

[FiveB247]

Everything I've said and written is from sources with are resourceful and un-biased. (Not some conspiracy or spin you claim it is.)

[LiquidCourage]

Thank you.
That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.
I don't see how anyone can call these people "heroes"

and material that does not promote any kind of criminal behavior whatsoever


Does this guy not realize that Man/Boy love is illegal?

[FiveB247]

That's obviously is one instance one can not defend, though you must admit that doesn't encompass the ACLU or their overall mission and goals.

[LiquidCourage]

But there's PLENTY of cases like that they defend.

[FiveB247]

You're comparing apples and oranges. That's like saying the US Supreme Court supports killing due to the Roe v Wade ruling. It obviously can be consorted a certain way, but in a holistic application, it obviously isn't construed to do such things.

[Bergalad]

That's obviously is one instance one can not defend, though you must admit that doesn't encompass the ACLU or their overall mission and goals.

A group is defined by what it does, so although I have actually applauded the ACLU a couple of times for their (somewhat) unbiased approach to things, as a whole they are morally corrupt. Five, you should check into what you support more, agreed?
You're comparing apples and oranges. That's like saying the US Supreme Court supports killing due to the Roe v Wade ruling. It obviously can be consorted a certain way, but in a holistic application, it obviously isn't construed to do such things.
No apples or oranges in that. Stop trying to defend your (incorrect) assertations with wacky and incomprehensible statements that really mean nothing. 'Holistic application'? Whatever. We don't need an organization in this country that lacks a moral compass, blindly railing against perceived injustices without thinking of the ramifications.

[FiveB247]

I need to check into what I support more? Maybe you should check into some facts about what the US does to the rest of the world. It's pretty obvious you are nothing more than a flag waving nationalist....and that's sad. Maybe you should think for yourself and find out what is going on in the world, rather than just going along with what politicians and the media sell you.

[LiquidCourage]

What the hell does that have to do with the ACLU?

[FiveB247]

I was never the one who brought up the ACLU, I merely stated they protect individual rights which is a necessary idea and as an organization as a whole they serve good. (after you brought them into this thread) You jump the gun saying I'm a member? I support and follow them, etc. The only group I am an official member of is Amnesty International. And if you read a few messages back, you posted, "enough of the ACLU and that this post was about North Korea".

[LiquidCourage]

You just keep jumping from one topic to another.

[FiveB247]

Do you have multiple personalities that do not pay complete attention to what the other half says or posts?

Let me repeat what I previously said. "I never brought up the ACLU, you did." Anytime you wrote a statement, it made mention of something off topic. If I replied to that topic, it is you that brought the "new topic" into play. Maybe you should take your own advise and stay on topic. Anything I posted or made mention of was relating to the messages or ideas brought before hand.

[LiquidCourage]

Come on baby, don't be like that.

[FiveB247]

Which will occur first..

a) We will agree on politics and beliefs?
b) Our post counts will be inflated to the point where we need to move this particular post to a new and improved board?
c) It will get locked due to the fact it keeps going back and forth?

[Bergalad]

I need to check into what I support more? Maybe you should check into some facts about what the US does to the rest of the world. It's pretty obvious you are nothing more than a flag waving nationalist....and that's sad. Maybe you should think for yourself and find out what is going on in the world, rather than just going along with what politicians and the media sell you. You can continue to make accusations and baseless claims about the evil of America, whatever. You say we are unyielding in our beliefs, but when you are presented with facts (ACLU-NAMBLA) you persist in supporting faulty ideas blindly. You seem to be incapable of accepting the possibility that you might be wrong, and instead of admitting that you spew out more hatred toward the US and those who support it's policies. We enjoy free speech in this country to promote the exchange of ideas to make things better; it's not here to give validity to the ravings of a bitter individual. <P>

[FiveB247]

Who's a bitter individual? I simply recognize the good and bad things this nation does. Not just focus on a one-sided perspective like you and most of the American patronage. I look at everything from an unbiased and perspective from all aspects...something you do not. You sit and pick a part Iraq under the same terms of Bush and his militant cabinet, but when you hear the rest of the world, the UN, even NATO members (which is unheard of) disagree, you bash and belittle them, not caring why..you just blame and ignore such truths from every other outlet.

And to put it simply, I make mentions of building a better future world with regards for human rights and important issues, rather then the destruction and war mongering you speak of. So who do you think is the bitter individual? Certainly not me with hopes and minds of everyone to live better. Not just the US and their interests. Look beyond yourself for once.

[Bergalad]

Here we go again.
I simply recognize the good and bad things this nation does.

You haven't, not that I recall, once mentioned anything the US does that you approve of.
I look at everything from an unbiased and perspective from all aspects...something you do not.
You are the most biased person on here. You never admit when you are wrong.
You sit and pick a part Iraq under the same terms of Bush and his militant cabinet

One more time- Iraq has broken yet again their agreement with the UN. They are not disarming and have been shown to be brazenly moving and hiding their illegal weapons. They are in violation, therefore by the UN's own resolution they are to be disarmed. Why is this too complex for you to comprehend?
I make mentions of building a better future world with regards for human rights and important issues, rather then the destruction and war mongering you speak of.
What you want is appeasement and continued pandering to the worst of humanity. You are Europe 1937. I want to enforce what the UN said it would do.
Certainly not me with hopes and minds of everyone to live better.

What does that even mean? Do you read this crap before you send it?
Look beyond yourself for once.

Sheesh.

[FiveB247]

First off, never once have you relayed anything close to being correct. I can admit when I am wrong, except you've yet to be correct on any factual basis.

Secondly, the US has a long history of disregarding of the UN. A lot more then Iraq, including invasions, bombings, breaking of treaties, ignoring UN law and codes as well. So you could not be more wrong in pointing out Iraq not complying with the UN. And simply due the fact that the US does not feel 100% sure of the UN inspections and what they have accomplished, does not give the US the right to disregard UN rules and policies. Two wrongs do not make a right..and the UN and NATO have obviously backed these notions up with trying to make changes diplomatically.

And with regards of you mentioning "Europe 1937"? There is good reason for the EU beginning to form more social policy and hold their members to realistic economic standards as well. It's also known in the political realm as "the 3rd way" of thought. We should wish of such policies in this nation.

And with me mentioning the ideas of the future, and keeping other nations in mind as well social standings and issues as well as economic problems...that's what most people call humanity and equality. Two terms you are unfamiliar with.

[Bergalad]

I am thinking we should just start a Me vs. you thread. Could be entertaining.
First off, never once have you relayed anything close to being correct. I can admit when I am wrong, except you've yet to be correct on any factual basis.

Forgetting the ACLU thing already? Yes, you are. Admit you were wrong! You can do it!
So you could not be more wrong in pointing out Iraq not complying with the UN.

You are saying that Iraq has not defied the will of the UN? Even Iraq thinks they have! How ridiculous of you!
NATO have obviously backed these notions up with trying to make changes diplomatically.

No no no! Not 'NATO', only France, Germany, and Belgium have gone against the will of the rest of NATO. Don't spin that any other way. They are in the minority and are also breaking their charter treaties.
It's also known in the political realm as "the 3rd way" of thought. We should wish of such policies in this nation.

No, we shouldn't. You are saying the United States should be racist! Not just racist, but religiously intolerant.
as well social standings and issues as well as economic problems

Now add elitist to the list. Very nice. An elitist, racist socialist. Nice resume you are building there.

[FiveB247]

If you read what I wrote about the ACLU after you posted that article ...you would see what I said on that issue. Try reading, absorbing the info...then replying..it makes more sense and leaves out drivel like you just wrote.

Iraq not complying with UN sanctions and defying the UN inspections (from previous problems)..it does not give the US a free pass to ignore other rules, actions or engagements. That is a simple point that should be understood by all.

And as for EU members not suddenly in the wrong for not complying with US policy and action...that's not breaking of treaties...that's called right of sovereignty. It is held by every nation. (whether good, bad or indifferent) And the sudden shift from compliance to defiance shows the US tactics of "might makes right".

The 3rd Way is a political theory which also entails inclusion of social, economic, environmental and other important issues relating to and for the people's benefit. Something this country has lagged behind in. As for you calling such ideas racists and religiously intolerant...well I haven't the slightest where you would get the notion of that...but it is incorrect.

And finally, calling me an elitist, socialist and racist? You should check the definitions of these words you throw around. Calling me such things is quite the opposite of their meanings. Human rights, equality and ending hypocrisy in government and policy are the beliefs I hold dear.

[Bergalad]

This is getting boring. Your ideas give you nothing to hide behind. It is obvious to me that you hate the United States. You want to cause problems and feel special because you are the board 'radical', but you're not special. I guess I am the only one who even wants to venture humoring you, but your hatred has become tiresome. I hope that someday you will see what a great nation this is, how it truly tries, through both mistakes and successes, to be the greatest (in every sense of the word) nation on earth. I hope you will someday appreciate the men and women who have died for you to say what you do, and those who will soon die to protect the freedoms and the nation you spit upon. Their sacrifices are worth more.

[FiveB247]

Board radical? I state my views and mention them based upon fact and trends. I don't particularly care if anyone on the board agrees with me or not. For you to assume so is rather small and confusing. If everyone on the board hates me, loves me, whatever...I don't care. I post and say as I please...if someone enjoys or agrees then cool...if they don't agree or hate it..that's ok too.

And quite frankly, you mentioning that I hate the US simply proves how in this nation, a person can not hold thoughts or question policy without being called anti-American.

[Bergalad]

I said I was done...but oooohhhh....

[Heavy]

No way this FiveB guy is an American.

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[FiveB247]

That I am. And simply because I disagree with many of this nations policies doesn't make me anti-American. You may call me over critical or such...but anti-American. No way. I believe this is the greatest nation...but I also feel there is much better we could be doing in the world as well as making things here better.

"For in a republic, who is the "the country"? Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the government is merely a servant- merely a temporary servant; It cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Who, then is "country"?...In a Monarchy, the king and his family are the country; In a republic it is the common voice of the people. Each of you, for himself, by himself and on his own responsibility, and not to lightly to be flung aside at the bullying of the pulpit, press, government, or empty catch phrases of politicians. Each must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, and which course is patriotic and which isn't....To decide against your convictions is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, Let men label you as they may. If you alone of all the nation shall decide one way, and that way be the right way according to your convictions of right, you have done your duty by yourself and by your country - Hold up your head. You have nothing to be ashamed of."

"...The liberty of the press is called the Palladium of Freedom, which means in these days, the liberty of being deceived, swindled, and humbugged by the press and paying hugely for the deception."

Those were quotes by Mark Twain.

[LiquidCourage]

Disagreeing with EVERYTHING the country has ever done, that makes you un American.

[Heavy]

disagree with many of this nations policies doesn't make me anti-American


Yes it does

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[FiveB247]

I never disagreed with all of US policies..when did I ever say such things? You won't find that anywhere...cause I never said such things. It's sad when you respond to my posts twisting my words around or putting words in my mouth.

And as for you actually believing the notion of disagreement with policy is anti-American? That is against everything this nation stands for ..free speech, the Constitution, democracy...do I even need to go on?

The type of democracy you talk of with no disagreement and no public input resides something closer to Communism or Totalitarianism. With statements like your last...it is you who are truly un-American.

[LiquidCourage]

Come on now, I've got you Berkely CA types all figured out.

[FiveB247]

Nah, that's not me either.

But if you are seriously going to argue that non-agreement with a policy is un-American? You're really delusional and should read a history book and find out what makes this country great. It certainly wouldn't mention the silencing of opposition.

[LiquidCourage]

You're in Amnesty International?
What do you do?
Do you just give them money or do you go on trips to do humanitarian stuff or something?

[LiquidCourage]

Sounds like a good way to give a hand.

Do they try and stop modern day slavery and all that?

[FiveB247]

Donate money at times, write letters, things of that nature..although there are local groups you can get involved with. I haven't done that yet.

[A.J.]

N. Korean Rocket Reportedly Can Hit U.S.

By JOHN J. LUMPKIN
The Associated Press
Wednesday, February 12, 2003; 12:45 PM


North Korea has an untested ballistic missile capable of reaching the western United States, intelligence officials said Wednesday.

The North Korean missile is a three-stage version of the Taepo Dong 2, said Vice Adm. Lowell Jacoby, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

It has not been flight-tested, Jacoby said, leaving some questions about the North Korea's capability to successfully launch the missile.

CIA Director George J. Tenet, who joined Jacoby in briefing the Senate Armed Services Committee, also acknowledged the North Koreans have the capability to reach the western United States with a long-range missile.

Previous U.S. intelligence reports have said such a missile probably could carry a nuclear weapon-sized payload across the Pacific Ocean.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62592-2003Feb12.html

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[FiveB247]

Echo...Echo..

I posted a link to a story mentioning US officials saying the same thing. It was many posts back in this thread.

[ed301]

i tould u they had missles able to reach

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[lippy]

I'm a heluva lot more scared of N.Korea than Iraq. They're more of a threat. And they're so mysterious.

[TheMojoPin]

How the hell did they beat the Chinese?!?

Guess things in the ballistics department move a little faster when you don't have to worry about providing your people with pesky things like food...and electricity...

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[ed301]

the key is to speed up the missle defense program.

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[TheMojoPin]

the key is to speed up the missle defense program.

Yeah, that ain't gonna happen.

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[FiveB247]

Now, I said this in previous posts in this thread and now that you seem to understand and know of this data. Do you question why Iraq is a bigger concern for the US compared to North Korea? Does it make you wonder of US interests, actions as well as concerns lie? I've stated many ideas and notions in previous posts, and many of you laugh, deny and pass off such notions...but with fact, comes perspective.

[Heavy]

Well I did'nt catch who it was that said it, but someone official said today that it's now declassified info that they can hit the western U.S. We argued about this earlier in this thread, but no it's "official"

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