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Se7en
10-16-2003, 02:09 PM
A unanimous decision. (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/10/16/un.iraq.vote/index.html)

[quote]Security Council passes Iraq resolution 15-0
Russia, France and Germany call Iraq resolution a good first step

(CNN) --In a move the United States hailed as an important show of international unity, the U.N. Security Council on Thursday unanimously adopted the U.S.-backed resolution on Iraq.

The vote of the 15 member-nations approved Resolution 1511, which calls for an expanded role for the United Nations, encourages countries to offer more troops for Iraq and more money to rebuild the country and addresses the transfer of sovereignty from the U.S.-led coalition to Iraq. (Text of resolution)

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell called the vote "a great achievement for the entire Security Council to come together again in this manner."

"I'd like to thank those who co-sponsored along with us and all of those who over the last several days -- as we went through this, with misgivings and disagreements and debate -- realized at the end of the day ... we have come together to help the Iraqi people and put all of our disagreements of the past into the past," Powell told reporters.

President Bush, giving a speech in California, also thanked the council for its vote.

Russia, France and Germany, the main opponents to the war in Iraq, raised their hands for the resolution because, their representatives said, it is a good initial step.

But representatives of those countries said more could have been done, pointing to the stated role of the United Nations and the transfer of responsibilities from the coalition to the Iraqis.

Military and economic commitments from those countries are not expected. Before the vote, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder had said Thursday that Germany and France would not be sending troops to Iraq. (Full story)

Syria -- the lone Arab country on the Security Council -- voted for the initiative despite its bitter opposition to the war.

Pakistan also backed the resolution but said it would not supply troops for Iraq.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said, "The process has been difficult, but the outcome is a clear demonstration of the will of all the members of the Security Council to place the interest of the Iraqi people above all other considerations."

The Russian ambassador to the United Nations, Sergei Lavrov, said that the resolution clearly provides for eventual Iraqi sovereignty and that Russia is pleased with the efforts of other countries to achieve a consensus.

"The result we achieved is a compromise that does not solve all the problems," but the pluses outweigh the minuses, Lavrov said.

Jean-Marc de la Sabliere, French ambassador to the United Nations, said the resolution could have gone further.

"It would have been desirable, in particular, for a clear-cut text to set timetables for transfer of responsibility and political transition," he said.

Gunter Pleuger, Germany's U.N. ambassador, said, "Although we consider the resolution to be an important step in the right direction," it could have been a better resolution if amendments proposed by France, Russia and Germany were "fully integrated."

"We missed a clear signal that transfer of sovereignty to Iraqis will be accelerated," Pleuger said. "The role of the United Nations, in particular of the secretary-general, could have been strengthened even more."

The Bush administration is hopeful that a new resolution expanding the U.N. role and addressing the transfer of power to Iraqis will encourage more countries to offer troops and money to rebuild the country. (Administration officials, lawmakers react)

The plan calls for the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council to set a timetable for drafting a constitution and holding elections by December 15.

Powell said the resolution does not open the door for more countries to offer troops but it could help those nations that already were considering sending forces.

Some countries had said they would not send troops unless a resolution was passed.

HBox
10-16-2003, 02:11 PM
So...........is the U.N. good now?

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high fly
10-16-2003, 02:32 PM
Why is Bush fucking around with the UN?
Didn't he say that if they didn't back us up in Iraq that the UN would become "irrelevant"?
Was he lying again back then?

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furie
10-16-2003, 02:37 PM
So...........is the U.N. good now?

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carcass
10-16-2003, 02:45 PM
since the U.S. pays most of the bill to finance the un...maybe they are playing ball....doubt its gonna save any lives....what have they [ the un ] done to better the world....look at africa...they did nothing...millions died...and bosnia...nothing till we got involved...such a waste ...flame away...ho moe

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Se7en
10-16-2003, 02:51 PM
Why is Bush fucking around with the UN?
Didn't he say that if they didn't back us up in Iraq that the UN would become "irrelevant"?
Was he lying again back then?

Well, they are irrelevant.

But hey, their money's good, and good enough for us.

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high fly
10-16-2003, 03:34 PM
So, was he lying?

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NewYorkDragons80
10-16-2003, 03:38 PM
It's a good thing the UN is "good" now, HBox. Now, the fucking hard-core right wingers will lose support for their "pull out of the UN" garbage. I supported this war, but I always valued the UN while others on my side of the argument derided it.

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Se7en
10-16-2003, 03:44 PM
So, was he lying?

No.

Will you feel better about yourself if I say yes?

If anything, this is the UN desperately clutching at yet another chance the President graciously offered them to make themselves relevant in the world once more. Praise is due to the UN for nothing more than finally acting in their own self-interest, but even that's admittedly remarkable. Usually the UN goes out of their way to act like complete buffoons. They didn't here. Cookie for them.

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El Mudo
10-16-2003, 09:19 PM
Usually the UN goes out of their way to act like complete buffoons.


Speaking of buffoons.....

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I wonder how much political egg Teddy K ends up with on his face after this episode....

prolly none....

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TheMojoPin
10-16-2003, 09:52 PM
If anything, this is the UN desperately clutching at yet another chance the President graciously offered them to make themselves relevant in the world once more.

Alright, let's cut this shit.

Yes, the UN makes mistakes left and right. But countries around the world view the UN as an organization that they're willing to allow in to sort out a situation. The UN serves plenty of purposes, and does many of them well. A LOT needs to be fixed, but let's stop the cutesy, "oh, the UN doesn't do doody" schtick. It's old.

And yes, this was a HUGE victory for Bush. Kudos.

Though I notice that this story came from CNN. There goes O'Reilly's whole rant as to how the "liberal media" would downplay Bush's win here. 'Tard.

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Yerdaddy
10-16-2003, 11:16 PM
Se7en was right about me at least. This is not a victory for America, for the Iraqis or for the Bush administration, because this is a virtually empty resolution. I haven't seen the text of the resolution, but everything I've read shows that it does very little. Even the most important result that the administration needs from a resolution, convincing countries to contribute troops, the resolution will produce none, as Powell admits.

President Bush greeted the vote with one sentence, thanking the Security Council, toward the end of a speech in California and an 80-word written statement. Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, while calling it "a great achievement," was careful to add: "I don't see this vote as opening the door to troops."

<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38336-2003Oct16.html" target="_blank">A Solid Vote That Buttresses 'Made in USA'
Resolution on Iraq Not Expected to Attract Contributions of Troops and Aid From U.N. Members</a>

In fact, from what I can see this thing is a step backwards. The only substantive agreement in it I've seen is to a timetable for turning over authority to an Iraqi government. That's putting a restriction on our options in conducting this massive and unpredictable operation. That makes no sense.

And as for the UN, most of you need to get an almanac and look up the structure of the UN. It is not a "they." The UN is nothing more than the collective representation of its member nations. All of the UN's authority derives from the decisions of the Security Council, of which the US is one of the five permanent members with veto power. So when the UN fucks up, it is as much the US to blame as the other four permanent members, and less the other 10 rotating members of the council. That's how it works. Sorry to burst your blame bubbles.

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shamus mcfitzy
10-16-2003, 11:42 PM
So...........is the U.N. good now?


yeah 'cause the UN were the bad guys....

whether you're joking or not don't say things stupid people will actually try to latch onto.

high fly
10-20-2003, 11:57 AM
So, was he lying?



No.


Was he not lying when he said that if the UN would become irrelevant?
If he wasn't, then why is he fooling around with the "irrelevant UN"?

And where are all those foreign troops the administration said would replace our guys in September?

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