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FMJeff
11-26-2003, 08:13 AM
FUCK YOU AND YOUR HYPERACTIVE SENSE OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS (http://64.236.16.52/2003/TECH/ptech/11/26/master.term.reut/index.html)
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
LET'S GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT HERE.
FACT. YOUR OWN PEOPLE HAVE SLAVES IN THE MOTHERLAND, TO THIS VERY DAY. SLAVERY IS COMMON PRACTICE AMONGST NATIVE TRIBES IN AFRICA.
PROOF 1 (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/books/7084519.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp)
PROOF 2 (http://www.timesleader.com/mld/inquirer/entertainment/books/6726100.htm)
PROOF 3 (http://www.gmtoday.com/news/books/topstory31.asp)
A QUOTE FROM PROOF 3:
The U.S. Census of 1830 lists 3,775 free blacks owning 12,740 slaves.
SO GO FUCK YOURSELVES.
FACT 2. SLAVERY HAS EXISTED LONG BEFORE YOUR PEOPLE WERE STOLEN FROM AFRICA AND BROUGHT TO THE AMERICAS.
ALMOST EVERY RACE HAS EXPERIENCED SLAVERY IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER. IT IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE FOR YOU TO THINK THE WORDS "MASTER" AND "SLAVE" APPLY TO YOU AND YOU ONLY. IN FACT, ITS DOWNRIGHT INSULTING TO MY PEOPLE, THE JEWS, WHO HAVE SUFFERED UNDER THE BONDS OF SLAVERY FOR MILLENIA.
CUT THIS FUCKING SHIT OUT.
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DC Reed
11-26-2003, 08:15 AM
Link didn't work Jeff
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FMJeff
11-26-2003, 08:16 AM
FIXED. AND FOR THOSE WHO QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THIS COMPLAINT WAS FILED BY A BLACK MAN, NOTE THE PARAGRAPH CONTAINING THE WORDS "AFFIRMATIVE ACTION".
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El Mudo
11-26-2003, 08:17 AM
EDIT: Never mind..link fixxed
BTW: That is an absolute joke...
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gypsy
11-26-2003, 08:18 AM
American blacks onwed slaves?
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FMJeff
11-26-2003, 08:19 AM
American blacks onwed slaves?
YA!!!!!!!!!!!
Where have you been? WE'RE ALL HYPOCRITES!
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zoom2457
11-26-2003, 08:20 AM
Political correctness is the worst thing ever!!!!
It's just stupid. FMJeff you are 100% correct, this has indeed gone too far.
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KC2OSO
11-26-2003, 08:21 AM
Totally frikkin retarded.
So does this mean I have to change my hard drive jumper settings to Dom and Sub Dom?
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11-26-2003, 08:21 AM
PS Calm down before you give yourself a heart attack... ;)
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El Mudo
11-26-2003, 08:23 AM
American blacks onwed slaves?
Yes there is a book that came not too long ago called "Black Masters" all about the subject...lemme see if I can dig it up on Amazon...
here 'tis... (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393019063/qid=1069867311/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/102-5174229-4567306?v=glance&s=books#product-details)
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DC Reed
11-26-2003, 08:26 AM
Jews have been slaves for thousands of years. Even in Biblical times.
White Men and Women were slaves as Serfs in the Fuedal Ages.
It's common knowledge that the Romans enslaved whites, blacks and jews after defeating them in battles and capturing them.
Native Americans would take prisoners from other tribes and make them slaves.
The Holocaust and Communist Russia
Slavery is a worldwide issue, it is not limited to the black community, and I think it is dumb to censor words because they indirectly refer to a time in our history that we are still feeling its impacts on our society today.
If were specifically called (and i mean no offense) Master and Nigger. Then we'd all agree to see an immediate change. But that's not the case. This isn't a big deal. It's not racist, and it is not something that we should all get uppity about.
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ToddEVF
11-26-2003, 08:26 AM
FUCK POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!!!!
IT WAS CREATED BY THE EVIL-DOERS.
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FMJeff
11-26-2003, 08:30 AM
They're not even intended to be offensive! (from whatis.com:) In computer networking, master/slave is a model for a communication protocol in which one device or process (known as the master) controls one or more other devices or processes (known as slaves). Once the master/slave relationship is established, the direction of control is always from the master to the slave(s). The County of Los Angeles, saying the term master/slave may be offensive to some of its residents, has asked equipment manufacturers not to use the term. Some manufacturers prefer the term primary/secondary.
Other communication protocol models include the client/server model, in which a server program responds to requests from a client program, and the peer-to-peer model, in which either of the two devices involved can initiate a communication session.
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DC Reed
11-26-2003, 08:32 AM
Then change it to Owner and Workers if Master and Slave is too much. Oh wait if we change it to Owner and Worker, we could spin it into something to get it changed again.
Political Correctness is a joke.
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billyio
11-26-2003, 08:33 AM
I hate to sound insensitive but there has been slavery since the beginning of social stratification. Look at Greeks owning helots,and Romans owning Greeks. Serfdom in Eastern Europe. Slave trading in the Caucasus by Turks and Persians. Countless variables of humans owning another human. I don;t see why the semantics of computer terminology can degrade history anymore than what history has revealed to be degraded. What next, host server implies prostitution and thus immorality. Somewhere, sometime, political correctness should really take a breath and chill the fuck out!
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mikeyboy
11-26-2003, 08:39 AM
Black people have GONE TOO FAR this time
It's a little rash to blame this on black people in general, Sir Ernest Shockleton.
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11-26-2003, 08:41 AM
I have Master/Slave controls on my drum machines & keyboards. When I hit the switch, they get shiftless, uppidy, and don't work right.
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JPMNICK
11-26-2003, 08:44 AM
This really is out of control. In this case, it is way more a computer protcol than a derogatory term. Just because it invokes a memory IN THIS COUNTRY by the black population of a time period that none of there grandparents can even remember living through does not make it incorrect. I do not stand outside of pet stores and protest Guinnea Pigs even though I am italian. This is complete and utter bullshit. People need to learn how to cope with things and not just sue and complain. This country is turning into a place where the first amendment is uphelded by fear of being ostracised for what you are saying. Sure you are legally allowed to say it, but morally and socially you will be condemned. This is the same culture that brain washes people into thinking its OK to say nigga but not ok to say nigger. I think they are both racist terms and should not be used. But in the end, I could care less.
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FMJeff
11-26-2003, 08:46 AM
It's a little rash to blame this on black people in general, Sir Ernest Shockleton.
As I'm doing research on this, the only people filing complaints about this are black people. Rash? I don't think so.
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JPMNICK
11-26-2003, 08:51 AM
Jeff feels very strongly about this one. Everyone tread lightly. Just kidding, way to take a stance Jeff.
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Doctor Manhattan
11-26-2003, 08:51 AM
...AND FOR THOSE WHO QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THIS COMPLAINT WAS FILED BY A BLACK MAN, NOTE THE PARAGRAPH CONTAINING THE WORDS "AFFIRMATIVE ACTION".
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Doctor Manhattan
11-26-2003, 08:55 AM
If PC makers don't use the words Master and Slave (changing to Primary, Secondary, Tertiary, ETC) Won't the words still exist? they'll still mean the same thing.
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JPMNICK
11-26-2003, 08:56 AM
I think it is the slave refrence coupled along with the AA that lead the assumption of a black man. If it was called Master Burritto then maybe this would be our man. (Sorry for the cheap joke, it was my little version of Harper Valley PTA before the parents start to fight again)
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silera
11-26-2003, 09:44 AM
The request -- which has some suppliers furious and others busy re-labeling components -- came after an unidentified worker spotted a videotape machine carrying devices labeled "master" and "slave" and filed a discrimination complaint with the county's Office of Affirmative Action Compliance.
Do any of you people read the stories?
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11-26-2003, 09:47 AM
It's easier not to.
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FMJeff
11-26-2003, 10:02 AM
He's not a very dark Black Man!
He didn't file the complaint either.
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Yerdaddy
11-26-2003, 10:03 AM
Proofs 1, 2, and 3 are articles about the same fictional novel.
The U.S. Census of 1830 lists 3,775 free blacks owning 12,740 slaves.
How many of those are blacks who purchased the freedom of other blacks? This is a single source of data, not a rosetta stone of black culpability in their own enslavement. Black owners of working slaves existed, but it was a historical anomoly, and a complex historical subject. You can't use an unanalyzed piece of data to suggest that black Americans share responsibility for slavery or its repurcussions in any meaningful way.
Yes, this guy has a petty complaint. But you've exaggerated it here with this jumbled tirade and all caps typing.
As I'm doing research on this, the only people filing complaints about this are black people. Rash? I don't think so.
Remember the problem of inductive reasoning vs. deductive reasoning and inductive reasoning leading to fallacies. You just did that.
Why can't it be that this guy is a whack bag? Why do you have to take this subject to a "black people suck" thing again? You could have made a good point if you had just blamed the person responsible for it. Settle down.
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Doctor Manhattan
11-26-2003, 10:06 AM
Do any of you people read the stories?
I did but fail to see how "unidentified worker" = "Black person"
FOR THOSE WHO QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THIS COMPLAINT WAS FILED BY A BLACK MAN, NOTE THE PARAGRAPH CONTAINING THE WORDS "AFFIRMATIVE ACTION".
I also don't understand why this issue was submitted to an Office of Affirmative Action Compliance. I thought Affirmative Action had to do with employment, not what companies call their stuff.
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Heavy
11-26-2003, 10:11 AM
An outright attack on all black people. Well I missed the shit that went down back in the day, glad i caught this one
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Heavy
11-26-2003, 10:18 AM
You can't use an unanalyzed piece of data to suggest that black Americans share responsibility for slavery or its repurcussions in any meaningful way.
Eh this is bogus. The only reason blacks didnt own slaves in this country is because known of the rich ones came over. If the African big-wigs built boats and came over they certainly would have had slaves with them. And the slaves we picked up and brought here were already slaves in Africa. Now they just became slaves in a different location.
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zoom2457
11-26-2003, 10:22 AM
I also don't understand why this issue was submitted to an Office of Affirmative Action Compliance. I thought Affirmative Action had to do with employment, not what companies call their stuff.
Perhaps the person in question is only suing their employer because they use those words.
Also, Silera is 100% right. The complaint was filed in the Affirmative Action Department which in and of itself does not prove that the person complaining was black.
Perhaps it was another person who made the complaint, maybe it was a Jewish person. Would that make it better???
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IrishAlkey
11-26-2003, 10:24 AM
The only reason blacks didnt own slaves in this country is because known of the rich ones came over.
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Doctor Manhattan
11-26-2003, 10:25 AM
Damn all my white sheets are at the cleaners. I'll be late for the meeting.
Those Blacks have gone way too far this time, We got to show them who's boss.
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TheKnicks23
11-26-2003, 10:40 AM
I won't comment on the slavery issue.
But, who the fuck bitches about terms for a hard drive?!
Jesus christ, do something more constructive with your life.
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Yerdaddy
11-26-2003, 10:47 AM
And the slaves we picked up and brought here were already slaves in Africa. Now they just became slaves in a different location.
Europeans organized and expanded the African slave trade on a scale many times larger than it had ever been before, especially in the 18th century. Yes most of the slaves were captured by other Africans, but the system of organization, transportation and providing the market for the slave trade was European. Whatever might have happened at the time but didn't, didn't.
BTW, this thread is only going to get worse, so I'm going to TRY to punch out of it now. F y'all.
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CaptClown
11-26-2003, 11:07 AM
Hey, where the white women at?!?!?!? Do you let everything moron does bring such ire? You have let some idiot with too much time on his hands, a love for stirring trouble, and too much time on his hands get you with the Jedi Mind trick.
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mikeyboy
11-26-2003, 11:12 AM
You have let some idiot with too much time on his hands, a love for stirring trouble, and too much time on his hands get you with the Jedi Mind trick.
That's a lot of time.
Seriously, Jeff, you're clouding the issue with an analysis of slavery as a whole. Irrelevant. It is unwise, unfair, and ignorant to attribute the actions of an individual or a small group to an entire race of people.
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Capt,
Edit your post. No one will know the difference.
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shamus mcfitzy
11-26-2003, 11:18 AM
come on Jeff, no one likes an uppity Jew
but I don't think Jeff was going too far, he was merely saying that the whining about slavery should stop. If you don't think a good many blacks still feel wronged by slavery than you're wrong. I say you can use general terms when the specific amount of people you're talking about is larger than a million. Talking about races generally happens way too often on this board with other races to all of a sudden get on Jeff when he's talking about blacks.
Heavy
11-26-2003, 11:25 AM
Europeans organized and expanded the African slave trade on a scale many times larger than it had ever been before
Thats not fair, Europeans organized and expanded more then Africans on EVERYTHING from indoor plumbing to medicine etc. Just because they were smarter and better at it doesnt really make them worse people.
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11-26-2003, 11:29 AM
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SatCam
11-26-2003, 11:33 AM
I always though Slave and Master were PC terms.
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11-26-2003, 11:39 AM
Thats not fair, Europeans organized and expanded more then Africans on EVERYTHING from indoor plumbing to medicine etc. Just because they were smarter and better at it doesnt really make them worse people.
I never said they were worse people. I made the point that the people brought to the Americas as slaves would not have just been "slaves in a different location."
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11-26-2003, 11:57 AM
Cheese Nips and Cheese Crackers... when will the racisim end?
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furie
11-26-2003, 12:12 PM
Etymology of the word slave:
slave - c.1300, from O.Fr. esclave, from M.L. Sclavus "slave," originally "Slav," so called because of the many Slavs sold into slavery by conquering peoples. The verb meaning "work like a slave" is first recorded 1719. Slavery is from 1551; slavish "servilely imitative" is from 1753. O.E. Wealh "Briton" also began to be used in the sense of "serf, slave" c.850; and Skt. dasa-, which can mean "slave," is apparently connected to dasyu- "pre-Aryan inhabitant of India." More common O.E. words for slave were _eow (related to _eowian "to serve") and _r‘l (see thrall). The Slavic words for "slave" (Rus. rab, Serbo-Croatian rob, O.C.S. rabu) are from O.Slav. *orbu, from the PIE base *orbh- (also source of orphan) the ground sense of which seems to be "thing that changes allegiance" (in the case of the slave, from himself to his master). The Slavic word is also the source of robot.
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silera
11-26-2003, 12:12 PM
I think it is safe to assume a black person filed this complaint because had it been a jew he/she would have gone to a specifically jewish entity to champion their cause, same for spics, chinks, wops etc.
The problem lies not in the entire race of people but in our retarded society that overlegislates and coddles every fucking faction to the point that we will eventually speak like fucking androids and will have to subscribe to insurance from the day we are born til the day we die in order to protect ourselves from frivolous fucking lawsuits.
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TheMojoPin
11-26-2003, 01:39 PM
I just got home and I'm eating a burger I got at Wendy's and it TOTALLY has onions on it even though I said it shouldn't and all I can think is, "Mexican people have GONE TOO FAR this time."
Jeffi, I get what you're saying, but the thread title and sentiment is pretty fucking lame. Call it PC if you want, but black people didn't line up to all file the complaint.
This thread is walking the line.
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furie
11-26-2003, 04:41 PM
but black people didn't line up to all file the complaint.
yet
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11-26-2003, 07:35 PM
The only reason blacks didnt own slaves in this country is because known of the rich ones came over.
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FMJeff
11-26-2003, 07:46 PM
but black people didn't line up to all file the complaint.
yet
exactely...wait till this catches some steam...
and you dont think a black guy filed it?
let's see...hispanic? no...asian..no...jew...no
let's not kid ourselves here....
I just get the feeling black people will NEVER move on from what happened to them in the civil war era....EVER....they will always considered themselves the oppressed because it affords them the whining rights to affect social change and win petty allowances for the black people based solely on the suffering of thier ancestors...
its not right...slaves didn't work plantations so they could ensure the proper terminology for future black computer owners!! it's ridiculous!
fight for better schools! better jobs! better SOMETHING! who the fuck cares about how i determine which hard drive is my primary boot drive?
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furie
11-26-2003, 07:50 PM
maybe it's the irish...no one would suspect it...fiendish!
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TheMojoPin
11-27-2003, 12:45 AM
let's not kid ourselves here....
Why not?
You seem to be enjoying it.
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11-27-2003, 04:55 AM
Why does the black wire gotta be the ground yo?
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DJEvelEd
11-27-2003, 07:37 AM
We're paying for the stupidity of our ancestors. Stupidity breeds stupidity. Deal with it yo,,,
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furie
11-27-2003, 07:44 AM
what's this "our ancestors" shit? My ancestors were farmers in Ireland, we just got here. My ancestors didn't enslave or oppress anyone. We didn't arrive on the Mayflower, we arrived on TWA.
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TheMojoPin
11-27-2003, 08:59 AM
The point has been made.
Done and done.
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