[Plame] Cheney's office in trouble

[Doomstone]

Remember Valerie Plame? You know, the undercover CIA agent working internationally in the field of weapons of mass destruction, whose identity was revealed by one or more traitors in the White House, in violation of federal law?

Well, apparently the investigation into the matter is progressing, and things aren't looking too good for ol' Dick Cheney and his staff.

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/02/17/National/Cheneys.Staff.Focus.Of.Probe-598606.shtml



Federal law-enforcement officials said that they have developed hard evidence of possible criminal misconduct by two employees of Vice President Dick Cheney's office related to the unlawful exposure of a CIA officer's identity last year. The investigation, which is continuing, could lead to indictments, a Justice Department official said.

According to these sources, John Hannah and Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, were the two Cheney employees. "We believe that Hannah was the major player in this," one federal law-enforcement officer said. Calls to the vice president's office were not returned, nor did Hannah and Libby return calls.

The strategy of the FBI is to make clear to Hannah "that he faces a real possibility of doing jail time" as a way to pressure him to name superiors, one federal law-enforcement official said.


So, who had Libby in the pool?

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Sorry, but the damage that Bush & Cheney will suffer from this will still largely be insignficant.

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[Doomstone]

"If you think I'm full of shit, that's fine - I usually am, most of the time." - Se7en

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Has anyone ever seen Cheney? Does he really exist?

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I know it's tough, but try not to act like a dick in the political forum.

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[Yerdaddy]

I'm posting a whole article because it's no longer available for free.

Saturday, January 24, 2004
by the New York Times
Jury Said to Hear Evidence in C.I.A. Leak
by Eric Lichtblau and David Johnston

WASHINGTON - A special prosecutor has begun presenting evidence to a grand jury about the improper disclosure of an undercover C.I.A. officer's identity and has advised several people who have been employed at the White House that they could be summoned to testify, senior officials said on Friday.

The prosecutor, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, began submitting evidence this week to a grand jury at the federal courthouse here. It was not immediately clear who faced subpoenas. At least some White House employees have been asked to meet informally with the prosecutor in what appeared to be a possible effort to obtain voluntary admissions of wrongdoing in exchange for offers of immunity, the officials said.

Mr. Fitzgerald's decision to use a criminal grand jury, first reported by Time magazine on its Web site, www.time.com, was not unexpected, but it did ratchet up the seriousness of the criminal inquiry, raising a possibility of courthouse appearances by Bush administration officials compelled to testify under oath.

Mr. Fitzgerald has been pushing to obtain the cooperation of witnesses close to the White House who might otherwise be subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury, officials said. Such a tactic is routine in criminal cases. It often results in agreements in the form of immunity pledges or plea deals that can provide prosecutors with additional evidence to use against other suspects.

Law enforcement officials said few details were known about the status of the case, because Mr. Fitzgerald had operated in secrecy, remaining United States attorney in Chicago. At times, he has refused to tell associates when he would arrive in Washington. As a result, it was not clear who at the White House had been invited to meet Mr. Fitzgerald. Nor was it clear how many were current or former employees, although the list does include relatively high-level staff members, the officials said. A spokesman for Mr. Fitzgerald declined to discuss the case.

The Justice Department named Mr. Fitzgerald last month to lead the investigation after Attorney General John Ashcroft withdrew amid concerns about the appearance of a conflict. Mr. Fitzgerald is a veteran prosecutor known for aggressiveness and persistence, and he has extensive experience in using grand juries to obtain indictments in difficult terrorism cases like those he managed in the 1990's in New York.

Mr. Fitzgerald's use of the grand jury could prove awkward for the White House, which has sought to control the damage over accusations that unidentified administration officials leaked the name of the C.I.A. operative, Valerie Plame, in retaliation for her husband's public criticism of President Bush's policies on Iraq last summer. This week, a group of former intelligence officers pressed Congressional leaders to open a separate review into the case because they were concerned that the Justice Department was not moving quickly enough.

Joseph C. Wilson IV, the former ambassador who is married to Ms. Plame, said on Friday that neither he nor his wife had been subpoenaed for the grand jury.

"If it's useful for them to have me there," Mr. Wilson said, "I'm happy to do it, but I really have no idea what to expect."

His lawyer, Christopher Wolf, said he was unaware of the grand jury proceedings, but that "the investigation seems to have been lagging, so this has to be seen as a positive development."

Senator Charles E. Schumer, the New York Democrat who has led the calls for an aggressive investigation, said the report on the grand jury suggested that investigators might be zeroing in on suspects.

"Inevitably," Mr. Schumer said, "you don't convene a grand jury unless there's something serious."

White House officials refused to discuss any grand jury developments or whether employees had been contacted or subpoenaed, but they affir

[Tall_James]

Your opinion is meaningless.

Why, because he disagrees with you? Is that where your level of political discourse lies?

You're really doing the Bush-dissenters a great disservice by being so petty. Is your's the only valid opinion? I think not.


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[Doomstone]

Why, because he disagrees with you?


No, because it is impossible to take seriously anyone who describes himself as "full of shit...most of the time."

And really, look at his reply:



Sorry, but the damage that Bush & Cheney will suffer from this will still largely be insignficant.


Zero substance, just an opinion with no basis in fact. If you wish to discuss this matter with me, come correct playa, bring your A game and leave the bullshit to professionals like Rush.

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Doomstone - learn to disagree with someone without being a prick about it, or you won't find yourself welcome here.

If any of you think this problem is limited to Doomstone, or is limited to those posters with a particular political leaning, you're dead wrong. You would think that presumed adults could discuss issues that they disagree on without getting personal or being nasty.

This shit has to stop.

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[TheMojoPin]

No, because it is impossible to take seriously anyone who describes himself as "full of shit...most of the time."

Shocker you're jumping all over someone for trying to humorously show a little humilty and self-deprication to lighten up the normally tense atmosphere in this forum.

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[Doomstone]

...and once again one of my threads becomes a game of "pile on Doomstone" rather than actually discussing the subject. Fine. Although the last time <i>I</i> tried to lighten up this forum with a little bit of humor, I was accused of shock posting and told "Please dont ever do this again." If you don't want me to post here, just fucking ban me and get it over with already.

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[Tall_James]

and once again one of my threads becomes a game of "pile on Doomstone" rather than actually discussing the subject.

Discussing the subject? Didn't you engage someone in "discussion" by telling him that his "opinion was meaningless"?

Put down your cross Doomstone and let someone else be a martyr for a while.


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[mikeyboy]

...and once again one of my threads becomes a game of "pile on Doomstone" rather than actually discussing the subject. Fine.

It wouldn't have turned that way if you weren't posting like a prick.

Although the last time I tried to lighten up this forum with a little bit of humor, I was accused of shock posting and told "Please dont ever do this again."

I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Se7en posted something in a joking, self-deprecating manner, and you get called on it for trying to use it against him. I'm not sure how you can equate that with some other incident in which you were trying to be funny. I honestly don't know what post you're talking about, though.

If you don't want me to post here, just fucking ban me and get it over with already.


Aw, poor me. I have no problem with you personally or your political views. However, I do have a problem with your lack of respect for people who don't agree with you. As I said before, there are people on the other side of the issues who have the same problem. I have no tolerance for their actions either.

Just try to be fucking adults, people.

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[high fly]

Unfortunately it may not be Karl Rove who gets "frog marched".

I don't know about the rest of y'all, but I'm ready for a good "frog marching."



Sorry, but the damage that Bush & Cheney will suffer from this will still be insignificant

Yeah, they once said that about a "Third rate burglary" in a previous administration, one that SHOCKER! Cheney was employed by.

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[Tall_James]

Yeah, they once said that about a "Third rate burglary" in a previous administration, one that SHOCKER! Cheney was employed by.

Now that is good political discussion! It's like a good tennis match - volleying points back and forth.


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[mikeyboy]

Your opinion in meaningless, Tall_James.

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[Tall_James]

Your opinion in meaningless, Tall_James.

And you hide in the bushes outside of elementary schools. What's your point? :)

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[mikeyboy]

You sank my battleship!

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[Yerdaddy]

Se7en posted something in a joking, self-deprecating manner, and you get called on it for trying to use it against him.

It wasn't a joking manner, by the way.

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[high fly]

Frog march! FROG MARCH!!

I wanna see some FROG MARCHING, Dammit!

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[Tall_James]

It wasn't a joking manner, by the way.


Your opinion is meaningless, Yerdaddy.


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[Doomstone]

Discussing the subject? Didn't you engage someone in "discussion" by telling him that his "opinion was meaningless"?

Yes, the I said that the opinion of the person who has repeatedly called me a "troll" and accused me of spreading "disinformation" is meaningless. Shit, what are you, his fucking daddy? Can't he defend himself?



It wouldn't have turned that way if you weren't posting like a prick.

Fine, I'll apologize: I'm sorry Se7en, Tall_James, Mikeyboy, and anyone else who's feelings I may have hurt. From now on, I will take into consideration that some members are sensitive, and that words really do hurt. From now on, I will be a more positive poster; for example, instead of pointing out that someone may be mostly full of shit, I'll focus on the rare occasions when they aren't.

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[Yerdaddy]

Your opinion is meaningless, Yerdaddy.

Is your's the only valid opinion? I think snot.

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[mikeyboy]

I will be a more positive poster; for example, instead of pointing out that someone may be mostly full of shit, I'll focus on the rare occasions when they aren't.


You can't possibly be this dense. You don't have to be a positive poster. You can point out when you don't agree with someone or when someone is incorrect. You can provide support for the reasons you disagree or evidentiary support for the reason that person is wrong. You can also do it without being an ass-crack.

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[Doomstone]

You can't possibly be this dense.


BINGO!

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[HBox]

Just try to be fucking adults, people.

I am going to take that in the most literal sense possible.

ON WITH THE FUCKING!!!!!!!!!

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[Tall_James]

I am going to take that in the most literal sense possible.

ON WITH THE FUCKING!!!!!!!!!

BRAVO SIR !

Shit, what are you, his fucking daddy?
No, I am the "fucking Mack daddy". So "make room for the mack daddy" playah!


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[Yerdaddy]

All of your wives are CIA agents!

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[Tall_James]

All of your wives are CIA agents!

And all your base belong to us!


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[high fly]

Just try to be fucking adults, people.

I am going to take that in the most literal sense possible.

ON WITH THE FUCKING!!!!!!!

I GOT DIBS ON KATYLINA!!!!!!!


And on with the "frog marching," too!

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[HBox]

You all hate soldiers' babies!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Your opinion is meaningless, HBox...

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I'll add a real response. As someone who is undecided it does bother me if the vice presidents office is responsible for the leak, and it will affect my decision.

Also I heard that cheney eats puppies......raw even.

[HBox]

Your opinion is meaningless, HBox...

A soldiers' baby hater would say something like that.........

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[TheMojoPin]

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And Doomstone, the only problem here is that you went after Se7en himself in only the third post of this thread, as opposed to what he was saying. Granted, generally ALL of the threads here end up like that, but in this case it was pretty much right out the gate. How was that encouraging ANY kind of debate or discussion, as you rightly want?

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[high fly]

PEOPLE!
CAN WE GET BACK ON TOOO-PIC?

Lately I've been thinking about why someone would do this.
Looks to me like it's a move to tell the CIA just who's boss, and for them not to get too uppity...

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[Doomstone]

PEOPLE!
CAN WE GET BACK ON TOOO-PIC?

Yes!

Lately I've been thinking about why someone would do this.
Looks to me like it's a move to tell the CIA just who's boss, and for them not to get too uppity...

Absolutely. It was a message from the White House to anyone who might consider publicly calling them out on their lies, that they would not hesitate to endanger their families in retaliation. It really tells a lot about the mindset of those in the administration, the fact that they'd be willing to violate federal law and compromise national security in order to silence their critics. Unfortunately, some people are so blinded by partisan loyalty that they find such behavior acceptable.

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[high fly]

I like hollering "PEOPLE!"

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[TheMojoPin]

I find it curious that sentiment RADICALLY fluctuates as to who actually runs who...the White House or the CIA? It almost just seems to be a matter of convenience on whatever issue is at hand...

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[high fly]

I just keep picturing Moe of the 3 Stooges going, "Whyyyy you! [bonk!]

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"PEOPLE!"
Everyday people...

Absolutely. It was a message from the White House to anyone who might consider publicly calling them out on their lies, that they would not hesitate to endanger their families in retaliation. It really tells a lot about the mindset of those in the administration, the fact that they'd be willing to violate federal law and compromise national security in order to silence their critics. Unfortunately, some people are so blinded by partisan loyalty that they find such behavior acceptable.
Every politician lies, in fact the only time a politician probably isn't lying is when he has something in his mouth. Even then you have you have to check.



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[TheMojoPin]

But at the same time, we can't fall back on that line of thinking when something as big and as potentially tragic as the conflict in Iraq and our international standing is at so much risk.

Along another line, I'm far from convinced of the overly malicious accusations from people who seem to have already determined Bush and Co. are guilty of everything one could possibly think of. I think Vietnam IS the best parallel, at least in terms of how we got wrapped up in it in the first place...mistakes. Poor judgement. Mis-estimation. Look at the history of Vietnam, how its history of conflict stretched over several administrations before it finally came to a head...monstrously. We're seeing a similar pattern here with Iraq and how we came to this mess in the first place and how the decisions have been made.

I'll reserve my judgement until we know more.

Until then, I say everyone takes a quick primer in the Vietnam build up under Johnson, and the very blatant comparisons to what has happened under Bush with Iraq.

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I think Vietnam IS the best parallel

I'll give you that Mojo. I remember thinking after Congressional authorization to use force was granted that it felt eerily similar to the passage of the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.

And "Path to War" was a good movie.

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[Doomstone]

Absolutely. It was a message from the White House to anyone who might consider publicly calling them out on their lies, that they would not hesitate to endanger their families in retaliation. It really tells a lot about the mindset of those in the administration, the fact that they'd be willing to violate federal law and compromise national security in order to silence their critics. Unfortunately, some people are so blinded by partisan loyalty that they find such behavior acceptable.
Every politician lies, in fact the only time a politician probably isn't lying is when he has something in his mouth. Even then you have you have to check.



So are you saying it's perfectly ok for senior White House officials to compromise national security and leak the name of an undercover CIA operative, in violation of federal law, because "every politician lies?"

George H. W. Bush, 41st President of the United States, once said that he "has nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our [intelligence] sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious, of traitors."

I guess maybe someone should have told him then that "every politician lies," huh?


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So are you saying it's perfectly ok for senior White House officials to compromise national security and leak the name of an undercover CIA operative, in violation of federal law, because "every politician lies?"
I never said that. I just said it is a qualification for every politician. Other than casting allegations do you have any concrete proof that any senior White House officials actually gave up Plame?

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[Tall_James]

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Sweet. I'll put my membership card in my wallet right next to my picture of Teddy Kennedy, my Vegan calorie counter and my Moby concert ticket.


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[Doomstone]

do you have any concrete proof that any senior White House officials actually gave up Plame?

If I did, I'm sure the FBI would be interested in hearing about it. What we do know is that someone did, in fact, commit a crime by giving her up, that Bob Novak attributed the information to senior White House officials, and that the investigation is centered around John Hannah and Scooter Libby, certainly not good news for the Vice President or anyone else who might be involved.

Something else of interest, from the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26979-2004Feb9.html):


A parallel FBI investigation into the apparent forgery of documents suggesting that Iraq attempted to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger is "at a critical stage," according to a senior law enforcement official who declined to elaborate. That probe, conducted by FBI counterintelligence agents, was launched last spring after U.N. officials pronounced the documents crude forgeries.



Things that make you go hmmm...

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If I did, I'm sure the FBI would be interested in hearing about it. What we do know is that someone did, in fact, commit a crime by giving her up, that Bob Novak attributed the information to senior White House officials, and that the investigation is centered around John Hannah and Scooter Libby, certainly not good news for the Vice President or anyone else who might be involved.

The only thing that we know is that two senior officials confirmed that Wilson was recommended by his wife. We don't know that the "senior officials" named her as a CIA operative.


A parallel FBI investigation into the apparent forgery of documents suggesting that Iraq attempted to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger is "at a critical stage," according to a senior law enforcement official who declined to elaborate. That probe, conducted by FBI counterintelligence agents, was launched last spring after U.N. officials pronounced the documents crude forgeries.



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Here is something that will make you go hmmmmmmm...
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[Se7en]

I'm somewhat touched at the concern over my feelings, but really, it was nothing. I think we've realized that and moved on.

But how do YOU know I wasn't joking, Yerdaddy? ;p

BTW, are you going to PM me back? What I wrote you wasn't really rhetorical.

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[HBox]

Ouch. (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usleak0305,0,2896503.story?coll=ny-top-span-headlines)

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[Recyclerz]

Bringing back the dead...

Appeals Court Rules Against Reporters in CIA Leak Case (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,147669,00.html)

Admittedly, I'm just a sore loser, but I really hope somebody, other than the reporters, goes to jail for this leak.



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Libby? Is it G. Gordon Libby? Holy shit! He's at it again? When will they EVER learn?

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This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 2-15-05 @ 8:56 PM

[silera]

Until then, I say everyone takes a quick primer in the Vietnam build up under Johnson, and the very blatant comparisons to what has happened under Bush with Iraq.


Path to War rocked.

Johnson was man enough to acknowledge his mistake and not run again though. Bush's administration took their PHENOMENAL mistakes and ran on them.

Seven is right about no one caring. All the evidence is right in everyone's face about not only the Plame situation, but the WMD's that never surfaced, Osama still missing, the 911 commission reports and recently release FCC warnings on Al Queada, and still people think that the Bush administration is actually working on the war on terror.





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[Recyclerz]

<p>Well, it seems I'm still a sore loser so - Once more into the breach!</p><p><a title="Time Inc. to reveal Plame leak source" href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/30/reporters.contempt.ap/index.html" target="_self">http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/30/reporters.contempt.ap/index.html</a></p><p>Time Inc. to turn over reporter's notes on CIA leak</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

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[high fly]

<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font>Until then, I say everyone takes a quick primer in the Vietnam build up under Johnson, and the very blatant comparisons to what has happened under Bush with Iraq. Path to War rocked. Johnson was man enough to acknowledge his mistake and not run again though. Bush's administration took their PHENOMENAL mistakes and ran on them. Seven is right about no one caring. All the evidence is right in everyone's face about not only the Plame situation, but the WMD's that never surfaced, Osama still missing, the 911 commission reports and recently release FCC warnings on Al Queada, and still people think that the Bush administration is actually working on the war on terror. <img src="http://hometown.aol.com/bonedaddy5/images/silerass.jpg" border="0" /> <strong><font color="#ff0000" size="3">AND WHAT?</font></strong><font color="#fbf2f7"><p><font color="#000000">Once again, Silera nailed it with a 32 oz. Estwing.</font></p><p><font color="#000000" /></p><p><font color="#000000">I would add that the administration that came into office claiming it would &quot;usher in a new era of personal responsibility&quot; has failed repeatedly to do so.</font></p><p><font color="#000000" /></p><p><font color="#000000">They have specialized in passing the buck, ducking responsibility and not holding anyone accountable for their actions.</font></p><p><font color="#000000" /></p><p><font color="#000000">One&nbsp; good example is the bureaucrat at FBI HQ who quashed 3 requests for investigations (from the Phoenix, Minneapolis and New York field offices) that would have led to at least two of the 9/11 hijackers already known to be members of al Qaeda, and probably more.</font></p><p><font color="#000000">In December, 2001, sumbitch got a $20,000 performance bonus.</font></p><p><font color="#000000">Tommy Franks fails to accomplish the mission in two wars, but returns a conquering hero.</font></p><p><font color="#000000">No matter what it is, no one is held accountable.</font></p><p><font color="#000000">When the buck gets to the White House, it either does a u-turn and someone lower in the administration is blamed, OR the buck enters a time machine and Clinton gets the blame.</font></p><p><font color="#000000" /></p><p><font color="#000000" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p></font>

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<p><strong>Spy Report, SpyReport:&nbsp; Karl Rove being named as source of leak in Plame case.</strong></p><p><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa"><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/lawrence-odonnell/rove-blew-cia-agents-cov_3556.html" target="_self"><font color="#800080">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/lawrence-odonnell/rove-blew-cia-agents-cov_3556.html</font></a></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa"><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8445696/site/newsweek/"><font color="#800080">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8445696/site/newsweek/</font></a></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa">Dear God,</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa">Being omniscient and all, you know I don't ask for much (except for the last election and you kind of stiffed me on that one) but please, please, please, please&nbsp;let this be true and I'll give you whatever you want - obeying ALL the Commandments, even the ones that are hard; upping the tithing thing; whatever - you'll be getting a blank check.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa">Your Soon To Be Even More Loyal Servant,</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa">Me</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa">OK I have to stop typing now - I'm getting wood thinking about this.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/rolleyes.gif" border="0" /></span></p>

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<p><strong>Karl Rove being named as source of leak in Plame case.</strong></p><p>is this a surpise?&nbsp; It all comes back to Emperor Palpatine</p>

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[Dudeman]

Rove run campaigns have been associated with some questionable practices. Some would call them non-Christian, or rat fucking, or illegal. Also, the way he has served as a political advisor is to be a divider not a uniter, while saying the opposite. No matter your politcal leanings, you have to say that Rove's style is crappy.

Let's hope this is the beginning of the end of Rove.

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Use the newer thread on this topic, please.

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