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spoon

05-28-2005, 02:14 PM

Nine Inch Nails frontman Trent Reznor pulled his band out of the MTV Movie Awards.  It seems their performance was planned with a backdrop of G. W. Bush as it played "The Hand That Feeds", which was deemed inappropriate by MTV executives.  Trent stated that the song is about blindly following authority and he refused to change it up for MTV.  WABC radio reported that Trent also said, "It appears MTV execs find the image of our president as offensive I do."  <img src="http://members.aol.com/dxixrxt/spoon2.jpg" border="0" /> Get your balls out of your purse and step up to flavor! With whale cancer! F yeah!

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ADF

05-28-2005, 06:29 PM

Darn... I thought this was going to involve Ninny and a strap-on.  Alas. 

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spoon

05-28-2005, 06:43 PM

I figured I'd pull in a few views with the title. 

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Death Metal Moe

05-28-2005, 07:59 PM

Well there's the one reason I was gonna even catch a piece of a replay of this televised abortion.Thank you Trent!  And that's not sarcasm.  Now that I know they're not playing, I won't watch a second of it, like I usually don't.

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05-29-2005, 11:51 AM

So they won't be playing a shitty awards show......but they will be touring with QOTSA in the Fall. *prances*

 
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FMJeff

05-29-2005, 11:26 PM

when did trent become Bono? whatever, fuck mtv...its not the forum to affect political change anyway...

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spoon

05-30-2005, 12:15 AM

So they should just perform as the MTV dictates?  I respect the fact that they pulled out based on principle.  Perhaps his forum should be a little watched program, that would make sense.  The Fuck MTV part I totally agree with.

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ChickenHawk

05-30-2005, 12:18 AM

Wasn't gonna watch it anyway, but I'm glad they had the nuts to say "Fuck you" to MTV, and probably screw themselves out of a paycheck to do so.

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 12:52 AM

how bout they just not force their politics on us, and just fuckin get
on stage and entertain the fans. no one wants to hear trent tell us who
to vote for, just shut up and play the music, thats why people like
you, not cause of who you vote for 

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spoon

05-30-2005, 12:53 AM

it's what the song is about

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 12:55 AM

yea but thats not the point, the point was he wanted to have this big
dickhead sign and all these other things in the background. it wasnt
that MTV said they couldnt express there ideas as a song, its just that
they wanted to do extra shit to make a political statement. if you put
your feelings in a song, fine, but shut the fuck up and play the song,
i dont wanna here your politics before and after 

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spoon

05-30-2005, 01:00 AM

It is in the song, and the video montage behind them is part of his creation.  Take it or leave, just what Trent said to MTV.  They left it bc MTV has no balls.  Music has always been on the forefront of politics and war, and always will.

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 01:02 AM

i understand that, but you are missing something. remember the dixie
chicks, there career basically ended cause of an unpopular stance they
stated publicly. had that been in a song, no one says shit, like no one
says shit about all the other bands who write songs like that, green
day being an example. i dont care what they say in a song, thats their
song, but i dont want them being preachy. maybe the video thing went
with the song, im not a big fan of them, but still, if its not in the
song, i dont wanna know about. i paid to here the song, not look at a
political ad campaign while they play it 

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spoon

05-30-2005, 01:04 AM

The MTV awards are free stupid.

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 01:04 AM

its a general statement about bands, not just pertaining to this
instance. i just dont like when bands force feed politics seperately 

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spoon

05-30-2005, 01:04 AM

Oh yah, and that Woodstock thing didn't go over either.

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05-30-2005, 01:06 AM

i cant comment on that, i dont really know, i always thought it was all
about peace and music. if they preached, i wouldnt have like it. i dont
like when bands i like do it either 

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05-30-2005, 01:07 AM

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Death Metal Moe

05-30-2005, 07:28 AM

quote: how bout they just not force their politics on us, and just fuckin get on stage and entertain the fans. no one wants to hear trent tell us who to vote for, just shut up and play the music, thats why people like you, not cause of who you vote for Thank you.  I don't care what his song is about, really.  It's a great song.  Just play it and keep making money.  I could give 2 shits what his political stance is on any subject.  We shouldn't look to our entertainers for opinions on important topics anyway.  Maybe what state lighting to use, but certianly not who to vote for.

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05-30-2005, 09:04 AM

quote: The MTV awards are free stupid.Tell that to my cable company. 

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FMJeff

05-30-2005, 01:17 PM

quote: So they should just perform as the MTV dictates?  I respect the fact that they pulled out based on principle.  Perhaps his forum should be a little watched program, that would make sense.  The Fuck MTV part I totally agree with.<img src="http://members.aol.com/dxixrxt/spoon2.jpg" border="0" /> Get your balls out of your purse and step up to flavor! With whale cancer! F yeah! No they should do exactly what they did....pull out of the show and expose MTV and all of its corporate hypocrisy..."I want my MTV" indeed...i guess its "You want what WE want" now...the press alone will raise the level of public debate, as it has...its definitely a public relations stinker...eventually they'll all pile up so high that MTV will be forced to drop the M because its not about music...hasn't been for years...the way they're promoting the new Real World...all sex and shit is despicable...the show used to be ground breaking, used to mean something...now it's an opportunity to stock good looking guys and gals for the next season of Inferno...I despise MTV. And the worst part is they're about to unveil a series dedicated to addressing those living below the poverty line....gimme a fucking break...how dare you really...yeah you do that MTV...show the nation how poor we are between re-runs of The Ashlee Simpson Show, 16 year old brats complaining about their $500,000 sweet 16's and fat chicks spending thousands of dollars on plastic surgery to look like J-Lo.Despicable. I spit on you mtv. Ptoooey. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/imagestorage/fmjeff.gif" border="0" /> It made my heart sing.

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 01:26 PM

No they should do exactly what they did....pull out of the show and expose MTV and all of its corporate hypocrisy.. that
line cracks me up. i think thats about as far off as possible. look,
politically in this country, shit has hit the fan. NOBODY wants to get
caught on one side or the other, because people are so crazy about it
right now that it fucks you. Again, look what happened with the dixie
chicks for expressing their views. i know this woulda been NIN
expressing views, but they woulda been on MTV, and MTV doesnt wanna be
associated with one side or the other cause that will hurt them in a
business sense. not only do i agree with MTV here, but this makes me
look down on NIN for not just shuttin up and playin a song to entertain
the people who pay for them to even be able to have a voice. SHUT THE
FUCK UP, MAN UP, and GO ENTERTAIN THE FANS THAT WERE COMING JUST FOR
YOU! 

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 01:30 PM

you ever heard the sayin "there are 2 things you dont talk about with people, religion, and politics. trent
goin up there on MTV and "exposing lies"  of the gov or whatever
they were gonna do, thats kinda like them goin up and "exposing" why
they think muslims cause so many problems, and no one should be muslim.
Now i dont work in tv, but im pretty fuckin sure NO STATION would allow
that to be said on air. well, politics insight people just as much, and
so they cant be lettin all this shit go out over their airwaves, no
matter true or not. you think they would let them do that shit at the
grammy's or at superbowl half time or whatever, FUCK NO 

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 01:35 PM

you gotta remember, its not that people will see this and say oh wow
did you hear what NIN said. People who get mad about this kinda shit
dont know NIN from nine inch penis, all they know is that they saw MTV
showing something having to do with anti war and anti government, and
they are gonna go after MTV. Just like when OnA did
that st pats shit, the catholic league didnt go after OnA. the catholic
league went right to the FCC and tried to get the stations broadcast
license revoked, because they didnt hear it on opie and anthony, they
heard it on 102.7, and thats who would ultimately be held
responsible 

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FMJeff

05-30-2005, 01:45 PM

quote:  quote: No they should do exactly what they did....pull out of the show and expose MTV and all of its corporate hypocrisy..   that line cracks me up. i think thats about as far off as possible. look, politically in this country, shit has hit the fan. NOBODY wants to get caught on one side or the other, because people are so crazy about it right now that it fucks you. Again, look what happened with the dixie chicks for expressing their views. i know this woulda been NIN expressing views, but they woulda been on MTV, and MTV doesnt wanna be associated with one side or the other cause that will hurt them in a business sense. not only do i agree with MTV here, but this makes me look down on NIN for not just shuttin up and playin a song to entertain the people who pay for them to even be able to have a voice. SHUT THE FUCK UP, MAN UP, and GO ENTERTAIN THE FANS THAT WERE COMING JUST FOR YOU! <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=Snoogans194" border="0" /> GO SAWX!!!!! Hassan Eats Dick!!! Snoogans 1, Monitor 0 GIMMIE MY FUCKIN CHANGE, I AINT PLAYIN WIT YOU Before it turned to the dark side of junk TV, MTV used to stand for something. It extolled the virtues of gay rights, women's rights, minority rights. It allowed the Kerry & Bush daughters on an award show to raise awareness over the Hurricane disaster. It got behind a Democractic President (Clinton). It started Rock the Vote for christ's sake, so don't tell me MTV doesn't want to be involved in politics. MTV used to be brave. It used to take chances. It doesn't anymore.It's not even like this was the first time they allowed an artist to go on stage and attack the government through music and imagery. Eminem did it. U2 did it. Green day did it. They draw the line at NIN? Why? B/c the execs got a call from the White House? MTV is MUSIC television...but I guess only music that doesn't offend anyone, eh...that doesn't fuck up thier corporate relationships with right wing organizations or the White House? Snoogans, this is what good music is. Thought provoking. Rebellious. Anti-establishment. Not allowing an artist to freely express themselves is the definiton of hypocrisy in its ugliest form. It's censorship. How dare they tell artists what to do, after enginnering what has become the biggest free-speech stinker of all time (Janet Jackson)?Oh g-d its enough to make me barf.

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 01:48 PM

Before it turned to the
dark side of junk TV, MTV used to stand for something. It extolled the
virtues of gay rights, women's rights, minority rights. 
It
allowed the Kerry & Bush daughters on an
award show to raise awareness over the Hurricane disaster. It got
behind a Democractic President (Clinton). It started Rock the Vote for
christ's sake, so don't tell me MTV doesn't want to be involved in
politics. MTV used to be brave. It used to take chances. It doesn't
anymore.
 i understand that, but this isnt that.
letting someone come on and talk about gay rights or womens rights, or
voting, thats fine. that still allows you to make up your mind. rock
the vote was to get people to vote, no one tried to influence who you
voted for. gettin behind a president and shwoing supposrt never
outrages people. letting someone go on your station and basically talk
like michael moore is DEFINATELY goin to insight people. whatever they
may have did right or wrong in the past, i think what they did here was
absolutely what they should have, especially if they dont agree with
it. guess what buddy, its theirs, if i owned a station, and i knew
someone goin on it was about to do something that would cause me a shit
storm, i wouldnt let them go on either 

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05-30-2005, 01:51 PM

quote: you gotta remember, its not that people will see this and say oh wow did you hear what NIN said. People who get mad about this kinda shit dont know NIN from nine inch penis, all they know is that they saw MTV showing something having to do with anti war and anti government, and they are gonna go after MTV.WHAT?!?!? People didn't hear the message when Eminem and Elton John held hands? People didn't hear the message when Judd or whatever his name is got on stage and spoke about the gay dude on the San Francisco real world who died of AIDS? Are you that jaded that symbolism doesn't sink in anymore? That the solution for you and the rest of the close minded population's affrontery to expression is to not to show it all? And who are these cave dwellers who watch MTV and have no clue who Nine Inch Nails are?  Just like when OnA did that st pats shit, the catholic league didnt go after OnA. the catholic league went right to the FCC and tried to get the stations broadcast license revoked, because they didnt hear it on opie and anthony, they heard it on 102.7, and thats who would ultimately be held responsible They didn't go after O&A? hAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH...you must be crazy. Don't tell me they didn't go after O&A...I had more emails in my box on that day than you probably ever recieved in your lifetime. Scathing, religious right nutjobs. Veiled threats. Not so veiled threats. "Watch your back O&A, g-d will judge you soon enough" if i recall one particularly scathing one. 

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 01:51 PM

It's not even like this was
the first time they allowed an artist to go on stage and attack the
government through music and imagery. Eminem did it. U2 did it. Green
day did it. They draw the line at NIN? Why? B/c the execs got a call
from the White House? DOESNT
ANYONE PAY ATTENTION. ive already stated, a couple times, that what
they say in a song isnt what im talkin about. Green Day went on a
played an anti bush song, NIN was about to do the same thing, that was
fine. It was the extra shit that wasnt neccessary to the performance,
it was to try to influence people to think what they do. Green Day
didnt do that, Eminem does the opposite, he says thats what i think and
i dont give a fuck about everybody else. NIN was
gonna be PREACHY, and thats where i dont need to hear it anymore. If i
wanna be preched to, ill go a fuckin gospel church, i put on bands when
i wanna HEAR MUSIC 

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spoon

05-30-2005, 01:53 PM

Your muslim and O/A comparisons are just plain rediculous.  I totally agree with Jeff."not only do i agree with MTV here, but this makes me look down on NIN for not just shuttin up and playin a song to entertain the people who pay for them to even be able to have a voice. SHUT THE FUCK UP, MAN UP, and GO ENTERTAIN THE FANS THAT WERE COMING JUST FOR YOU!"That quote is just scary, and very close to what this Bush led country is becoming.  Whether you notice it or not, MTV is doing exactly what you don't want by controlling music and it's creators.  Welcome to free speech, unless you say that, or show this.

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05-30-2005, 01:54 PM

WHAT?!?!? People
didn't hear the message when Eminem and Elton John held hands? People
didn't hear the message when Judd or whatever his name is got on stage
and spoke about the gay dude on the San Francisco real world who died
of AIDS? once
again, big difference. Elton john and Eminem did a good thing for
society, talking about aids awareness is fine. those guy werent tryin
to negatively influence anything. NIN was tryin to NEGATIVELY influence
people, and i dont wanna hear that shit from my bands, i wanna her
MUSIC. i applaud MTV for not letting them preach, and tryin to make
them just focus on the music, the REASON THEY ARE FAMOUS IN THE FIRST
PLACE. if i want someone to try to make me think a certain way, ill go
find Reverend Al 

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05-30-2005, 01:56 PM

quote: quote: Before it turned to the dark side of junk TV, MTV used to stand for something. It extolled the virtues of gay rights, women's rights, minority rights. It allowed the Kerry & Bush daughters on an award show to raise awareness over the Hurricane disaster. It got behind a Democractic President (Clinton). It started Rock the Vote for christ's sake, so don't tell me MTV doesn't want to be involved in politics. MTV used to be brave. It used to take chances. It doesn't anymore.   i understand that, but this isnt that. letting someone come on and talk about gay rights or womens rights, or voting, thats fine. that still allows you to make up your mind. rock the vote was to get people to vote, no one tried to influence who you voted for. gettin behind a president and shwoing supposrt never outrages people. letting someone go on your station and basically talk like michael moore is DEFINATELY goin to insight people. whatever they may have did right or wrong in the past, i think what they did here was absolutely what they should have, especially if they dont agree with it. guess what buddy, its theirs, if i owned a station, and i knew someone goin on it was about to do something that would cause me a shit storm, i wouldnt let them go on either GO SAWX!!!!! Hassan Eats Dick!!! Snoogans 1, Monitor 0 GIMMIE MY FUCKIN CHANGE, I AINT PLAYIN WIT YOU Getting behind a president and showing support DOES outrage people. It outrages the opposition, the members of the other party, and since the country is split dems/republicans, that's a pretty large population to piss off. Letting Eminem on the air didn't piss off the gay community? Letting him hold hands with Elton John didn't piss off people? Gay rights, womens rights, minority rights...contentious issues...not everybody is for those things. Some people are vehemently against them. Those are people you offend to. And btw, thank g-d you don't own a station, cause it sure would suck if we could only hear the opinions of people that you actually agree with. It must make for great conversation to debate with someone without a contentious viewpoint. That must be some heated arguement. "I agree with you!" "No I agree with YOU!" "No, I agree with you MORE!" And this wasn't in "the past" Snoogans...this was last year. 

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05-30-2005, 01:58 PM

Your muslim and O/A comparisons are just plain rediculous.  I totally agree with Jeff.
"not
only do i agree with MTV here, but this makes me look down on NIN for
not just shuttin up and playin a song to entertain the people who pay
for them to even be able to have a voice. SHUT THE FUCK UP, MAN UP, and
GO ENTERTAIN THE FANS THAT WERE COMING JUST FOR YOU!"
That
quote is just scary, and very close to what this Bush led country is
becoming.  Whether you notice it or not, MTV is doing exactly what you
don't want by controlling music and it's creators.  Welcome to free
speech, unless you say that, or show this.
 its not free speach cause thats not a
free speach outlet. its a privately owned channel that has all the
right in the world to control what they do with their stuff. if someone
tries to tell me what im gonna do in my house, im gonna tell them to
fuck off. if someone does something in my house i dont want them doin,
im gonna stop them. dont gimmie this free speach bullshit, this isnt a
park, its someones property. and the ona arguement
makes perfect sense. People who would have been outraged by what NIN
would have said on MTV would have gone after MTV, like the people who
went after WNEW for what OnA ssaid. Im not sayin it lets the artist off
the hook, but it definately causes false blame. and if WNEW wasnt held
responsible, then why did the ENTIRE station, sans a couple producers
to run things, get fired. it wasnt just OnA, it was everyone on air,
all the PD's, the GM, it was EVERYTHING 

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 02:01 PM

Letting Eminem on the air didn't piss off the gay community? Letting him hold hands with Elton John didn't piss off people? it
shouldnt have. if anything, gay people should have been happy about the
gestures made. it was a positive thing. plus you also have to keep in
mind, this is a vastly different TV landscape, no station can do alot
of what they used to and still feel comfortable, i know because of the
government. Im not sayin i dont agree with NIN, i do agree with them. I
just dont wanna hear it on a MUSIC or MOVIE award show. if they wanna
make other statements, again, this is their property, they can do what
they want. the fact you think they are assholes for running what they
own the way they want is a pretty cocky and dickhead thing to say. alright
jeff, you are no longer allowed to butter bagels in your kitchen. but
who fuckin cares what i say, its your kitchen. well who fuckin cares,
its MTVs show 

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FMJeff

05-30-2005, 02:03 PM

quote:  quote: It's not even like this was the first time they allowed an artist to go on stage and attack the government through music and imagery. Eminem did it. U2 did it. Green day did it. They draw the line at NIN? Why? B/c the execs got a call from the White House?   DOESNT ANYONE PAY ATTENTION. Ive already stated, a couple times, that what they say in a song isn't what I'm talking about. Green Day went on a played an anti bush song, NINA was about to do the same thing, that was fine. It was the extra shit that wasn't necessary to the performance, it was to try to influence people to think what they do. Green Day didn't do that, Ermine does the opposite, he says thats what i think and i dont give a fuck about everybody else. NIN was gonna be PREACHY, and thats where i dont need to hear it anymore. If i wanna be preched to, ill go a fuckin gospel church, i put on bands when i wanna HEAR MUSIC  I'll let that comment speak for itself. Actually I won't. So when Green Day does it, and Eminem does it, without pop and circumstance (which by the way, you're absolutely WRONG, because they did a HUGE visual display of Bush, so i don't know what the HECK your talking about) its not preachy, but when NIN does it is?You're falling all over your argument. American Idiot is the preachiest album EVER.  You can't pick and choose who is preachy and who is not, and its not up to anybody to either, especially MTV. MTV doesn't give a fuck. Does NIN rock? Yes. Is the song a hit? Yes. Will it be good television and probably good press? Yes. Does it attack right wing politics? Yes. Is it bad for MTV? Yes. Oh and here it is, the coup de gras of conspiracy theories and I'm fucking RIGHT on this one and you all KNOW it.Did MTV conspire with right wingers to engineer the Janet Jackson nipple slip to energize the right, solidify their base and help destroy free speech?  YES.

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 02:07 PM

So when Green Day does it,
and Eminem does it, without pop and circumstance (which by the way,
you're absolutely WRONG, because they did a HUGE visual display of
Bush, so i don't know what the HECK your talking about) its not
preachy, but when NIN does it is? umm,
from what i heard of this, what NIN was goin to do wasnt goin to be in
the song. Green Day put up visuals along with the part of the song,
thats not what i heard that they werew goin to do. they were goin to
make spoken statements aside fromt he song. thats where i dont wanna
hear it. now if thats not the case, and it was just some video montage
during the song, then fine, let it go, no one really cares about that.
i was under the impression they were goin to speak about it just before
or after their performance.and whether MTV conspired to fuck up
free speach, thats not the point. the point is, they own this channel.
they can restrict what goes on it. whether or not they dont wanna free
speach on free outlets in irrelevant 

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FMJeff

05-30-2005, 02:12 PM

quote:  quote: Letting Eminem on the air didn't piss off the gay community? Letting him hold hands with Elton John didn't piss off people?   it shouldnt have. if anything, gay people should have been happy about the gestures made. it was a positive thing. plus you also have to keep in mind, this is a vastly different TV landscape, no station can do alot of what they used to and still feel comfortable, i know because of the government. Im not sayin i dont agree with NIN, i do agree with them. I just dont wanna hear it on a MUSIC or MOVIE award show. if they wanna make other statements, again, this is their property, they can do what they want. the fact you think they are assholes for running what they own the way they want is a pretty cocky and dickhead thing to say. alright jeff, you are no longer allowed to butter bagels in your kitchen. but who fuckin cares what i say, its your kitchen. well who fuckin cares, its MTVs show <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=Snoogans194" border="0" /> GO SAWX!!!!! Hassan Eats Dick!!! Snoogans 1, Monitor 0 GIMMIE MY FUCKIN CHANGE, I AINT PLAYIN WIT YOU It shouldn't have? What are you talking about? Are you gay? I sure as hell saw the protests. They don't like Eminem. He makes fun of gay people. Eminem standing hand in hand with a gay man who he wouldn't be caught dead (who had also eviscerated him in the press for his anti-gay sentiments) as a symbol of love and unity amongst gays and straights was laughable at best.What you fail to understand, Snoogs, is that although the channel is owned by MTV, they are selectively deciding which viewpoints make it on the air based on evolving social-political movements in this country. When the Dems were in power, it was all about liberal politics. Now the GOP is in power, and to hell with free speech. The hypocrisy in that is clearly evident in their recent history. I'll map out a timeline for you, so you can see how blatantly obvious it is. This was a station built on underground rebellion. Headbanger's Ball. Beavis & Butthead. We're in your face and we're not going anywhere. Somewhere along the line a decision was made to throw that idealism out the window in place for a more commercially viable programming thats as easily digestable as possible. This is my issue with MTV. Nobody is telling MTV what to do, and your stick-to-itivness to that arguement has completley baffled me thus far, as this debate has absolutely ZILCH to do with that. MTV can do whatever it wants. You got it? That's your win on that one, even though its not even the topic at hand. Can we move on and discuss that which they are DOING as being morally reprehensible? 

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 02:18 PM

What you fail to
understand, Snoogs, is that although the channel is owned by MTV, they
are selectively deciding which viewpoints make it on the air based on
evolving social-political movements in this country exactly,
and what you are missing is the fact that because its MTV, they have
all the right to controll and selectively decide what goes on their
shows. thats my whole point, its up to them, its there right to say i
dont want that on my show 

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FMJeff

05-30-2005, 02:28 PM

quote:  quote: What you fail to understand, Snoogs, is that although the channel is owned by MTV, they are selectively deciding which viewpoints make it on the air based on evolving social-political movements in this country   exactly, and what you are missing is the fact that because its MTV, they have all the right to controll and selectively decide what goes on their shows. thats my whole point, its up to them, its there right to say i dont want that on my show <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=Snoogans194" border="0" /> GO SAWX!!!!! Hassan Eats Dick!!! Snoogans 1, Monitor 0 GIMMIE MY FUCKIN CHANGE, I AINT PLAYIN WIT YOU omfg nobody is disputing that right...how many times can i say that before it sinks in...we're not questioning thier right...we're criticizing thier decision. The RIGHT to do it is not the issue. It's the standards by which they exercise that right that I take issue with...the inconsistency of policy...and the motivations, secret agendas, and influences behind those inconsistencies...whatever they may be. Money. Power. Corruption. Who knows? All I know is silencing an artist for what he wants to say is NEVER a good thing, and NEVER leads toward a more enlightened, informed and intelligent culture. No corporation should be silencing the voices of music...no matter how preachy, whiney, left or right they are. Yes, they have the RIGHT, but the right should not shield them from the public responsibility to inform. And isn't that the problem now a days, as more and more public propertly is seized by private owners...news agencies, entertainment, land...you're being told what you can and cannot listen to. I for one would like to hear what NIN have to say, and I'm willing to bet my life I'm not the only one. I sure as HELL don't want MTV deciding for me. Do they have the right? Yes. Should they. Absolutely not. Is my stance on this clear enough for you without you having to talkin circles? 

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 02:29 PM

aight i talked to spoon, and i was mistaken on what i thought NIN
was goin to do. The whole video screen thing is fine, and if that was
it, MTV is a little ridiculous.  at the same time
however, im not gonna get outraged, cause it is still their right to
not put them on the show if they dont want. Jeff, i apologize to you for argueing with a false sense of what happened.  the OnA point still does makes sense in general though, cause that is the way things happen 

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 02:31 PM

jeff, how bout you read the fact that i said i was mistaken, and
thought they had something far morew extreme planned. i AGREE with you,
did in 2 of my last 3 posts.  but your critisms,
not you personally, you as a whole in this thread, did get a little
nuts with the whole free speach thing. this is not a free speach issue
on a private owned place. if MTV tried to shut them up at a concert NIN
put on, then i get that.

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 02:33 PM

i will say this though, on a seperate note. i own the new Green Day
album, and i like it alot, and he does say alot of these type of
things. That being said, had the album cover had a sign on it that said
dont vote for bush, i wouldnt have bought it. its in a song you wrote
fine, but i dont need it forced at me, so in those cases, i stil dont
like it. 

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Death Metal Moe

05-30-2005, 03:05 PM

Green Day is feces.  Please use a different band in your discussion.

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FMJeff

05-30-2005, 03:28 PM

Agreed, Moe. American Idiot way overrated.Snoogs, you dont have to apologize. Free speech is big for me because in a free society, that is the first right you lose when things begin to turn. If you take a step back and look at a broader picture, you see a pattern of censorship, from Bill Maher being called a traitor to the Saving Private Ryan mess...everyone's stumbing over what they're allowed to say to the point where they're just afraid to say it at all...fear in a free society is bad news...

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 03:30 PM

yea i know, but like i said, i think it was more to avoid certain
negatives from the public, more then wanting to censor a shitty band no
one cares about 

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Death Metal Moe

05-30-2005, 03:30 PM

Agreed, Moe. American Idiot way overrated.I can't believe Jeff and I are in the same boat here, but I'm just very glad to hear another human being say those words.

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 03:32 PM

ill say it. i like the new Green Day album, but it was vastly overrated
by alotta people. the second i heard the term "rock opera" associated
with it, i knew alotta people were just starving for a good rock album 

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ChickenHawk

05-30-2005, 03:40 PM

I liked a few songs on the album, and didn't like a lot of it. But yeah, the term "rock opera" hurts and disturbs me.

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FMJeff

05-30-2005, 04:23 PM

quote: I liked a few songs on the album, and didn't like a lot it. But yeah, the term "rock opera" hurts and disturbs me. <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=ChickenHawk" border="0" /> HORDE KING FOREVER!!! ORACLE NEVER!!! <strike>Shock</strike> EMFA Agreed. I think people were quick to label it a rock opera b/c we needed one for this generation. Tommy was a rock opera. This is a standard punk album with extra lengthy songs.

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Death Metal Moe

05-30-2005, 04:29 PM

This is a standard punk album with extra lengthy songs.Don't forget about the tired political message or the fact that these songs are so overplayed it's a crime.

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Snoogans

05-30-2005, 04:29 PM

i wouldnt even really call it punk anymore, its just rock. 

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spoon

05-30-2005, 06:29 PM

"but your critisms, not you personally, you as a whole in this thread, did get a little nuts with the whole free speach thing. this is not a free speach issue on a private owned place."You're way off here.  Our airwaves and television is being influenced so much by limited voices/owners that the whole system is in danger.  Only a few corporations now own almost all of our outlets.  This in itself doesn't scare you or threaten free speech.  This is the bigger picture/problem at hand.

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06-01-2005, 08:41 AM

I'm glad NIN didn't back down.  Trent Reznor's statement at the offical website says it all.And, hey, things are going well for him!   He just won $3M in a lawsuit.  <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050601/ap_on_en_mu/nine_inch_nails">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050601/ap_on_en_mu/nine_inch_nails</a>www.dvdinmypants.com

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06-01-2005, 09:03 AM

What the Dixie Chicks said about Bush wasn't art. However the music, costume, set design, lighting, ect... are ALL part of artistic expression. Woodstock was TOTALLY political! Remember Country Joe & The Fish? You're all asses and I'll see you in the fight thread!!!

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06-01-2005, 09:03 AM

I wonder what Trent Reznor's voting record looks like before we take anything he thinks or says politically seriously.  I mean if the guy never votes what right does he have to criticize anyone

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06-01-2005, 09:51 AM

"I mean if the guy never votes what right does he have to criticize anyone"Tired argument.  Especially with our current administration being here whether you voted or not.But let's say we do find Trent's voting record somehow and we see that he has voted.  Then you'd be OK with him playing in front of an audience while he sings "What if this whole crusade's a charade / And behind it all there's a price to be paid / For the blood on which we dine / Justified in the name of the holy and the divine."Bush's image would be projected in the background during that line.  That is what NIN wanted to do.I work for MTV and I'm ashamed of their stance - as well as a majority of people here.As for..."Did MTV conspire with right wingers to engineer the Janet Jackson nipple slip to energize the right, solidify their base and help destroy free speech?   YES."<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/laugh.gif" border="0" />

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