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FMJeff

06-15-2005, 07:51 AM

<a href="http://www.moveon.org/publicbroadcasting/?t=1">http://www.moveon.org/publicbroadcasting/?t=1</a>From MOVEON Newsletter:A House panel has voted to eliminate all public funding for NPR and PBS, starting with "Sesame Street," "Reading Rainbow," and other commercial-free children's shows. If approved, this would be the most severe cut in the history of public broadcasting, threatening to pull the plug on Big Bird, Cookie Monster, and Oscar the Grouch.The cuts would slash 25% of the federal funding this year—$100 million—and end funding altogether within two years. The loss could kill beloved children's shows like "Clifford the Big Red Dog," "Arthur," and "Postcards from Buster." Rural stations and those serving low-income communities might not survive. Other stations would have to increase corporate sponsorships.Save Sesame Street!

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kevcala

06-15-2005, 07:57 AM

quote: 
Save Sesame Street!

 
Only if there's something in it for me, for example, a tote bag, program guide or a lovable elmo doll. 

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Melrapuo

06-15-2005, 08:00 AM

I dunno.  I heard they turned the Cookie Monster into the Vegetable Monster because they want to get kids to eat healthier.  WTF?

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DarkHippie

06-15-2005, 08:01 AM

This is just the lowest move ever.

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Tall_James

06-15-2005, 08:13 AM

Nothing like citing a non-biased news source.  What's next Jeff, stories from Fox News?

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06-15-2005, 08:13 AM

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Jennitalia

06-15-2005, 08:18 AM

i havent been this upset since oscar told big bird there was no such thing as santa clause

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MrEddiesFather

06-15-2005, 08:52 AM

Save Sesame Street? That's insane. They generate millions in merchandising, toys, dvds and all sorts of crap. The same goes for many other PBS childrens shows.You guys would believe anything to discredit the Republicans.

FMJeff

06-15-2005, 09:06 AM

quote: Nothing like citing a non-biased news source.  What's next Jeff, stories from Fox News?<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=tall_james" border="0" /> <a href="http://cheeseeatingbird.blogspot.com/" target="blank">The Cheese-Eating Bird</a> Point out the bias in this particular story. Please. 

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FMJeff

06-15-2005, 09:14 AM

quote: Save Sesame Street? That's insane. They generate millions in merchandising, toys, dvds and all sorts of crap. The same goes for many other PBS childrens shows.You guys would believe anything to discredit the Republicans. Yes, because you know the sales figures for Sesame Street. You know the profit margin after PBS administrative costs. You then also know the youth programs and charities Sesame Street donates to after it has paid what it needs just to produce a show everyday.Sesame Street and other children's programming makes enough to keep EVERYTHING ELSE afloat. Last time I checked, it's pretty expensive to run a television station. These people beg for your money to stay on television even after federal assistance. Give me a break. How many telethons do they have to put on to illustrate how cash-strapped they really are? Your attempt to equate Sesame Street with Microsoft and other big corporations is nothing short of ludicrous.  When's the last time you saw a "Wild America" plush toy? There ARE other shows on PBS...not to mention National Public Radio, which has little to no advertising budget. But hey, they probably make millions in NPR mug sales, eh? <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/imagestorage/fmjeff.gif" border="0" /> It made my heart sing.

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DarkHippie

06-15-2005, 09:19 AM

When's the last time you saw a "Wild America" plush toy?I love my "Colonial House" bunting

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Tall_James

06-15-2005, 09:39 AM

quote: Point out the bias in this particular story. Please.   I was pointing out the bias of the source that provided the story.  In case you didn't notice, MoveOn.Org has a decidedly left-of-center agenda.   If you read my quote, you'll see that I didn't question the content of the story.  I feel that its their right to present the news from an angle that they want out there, the same way Fox News does.I didn't argue the content even though I find it coming from a highly suspect source (in my opinion).<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=tall_james" border="0" /> <a href="http://cheeseeatingbird.blogspot.com/" target="blank">The Cheese-Eating Bird</a>

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Tall_James

06-15-2005, 09:48 AM

Point out the bias in this particular story. Please. Here....The loss could kill beloved children's shows like "Clifford the Big Red Dog," "Arthur," and "Postcards from Buster.The bias here is that "Postcards from Buster" sucks ass and someone is trying to call it "beloved".   It is a low-rent spin-off of "Arthur", which is actually pretty good.

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CruelCircus

06-15-2005, 10:28 AM

quote: Other stations would have to increase corporate sponsorships.Oh no!!

 
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CruelCircus

06-15-2005, 10:30 AM

quote: Other stations would have to increase corporate sponsorships.  THE HORROR !!!!

 
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Knowledged_one

06-15-2005, 10:43 AM

Lets investigate Sesame Street and the charachters it has:1.  The Count - really nothing but a pimp2.  Big Bird - Now what isn't wrong with a 7 foot tall bird walking around3.  Snufaluphages or whatever his name is:  Always with a cold = heroin addiction4.  Cookie Monster - What kind of cookies make you go crazy5.  Oscar the grouch - Wouldnt you also be a grouch if you lived in a trash canThis courtesy of Dave Chappelle

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KC2OSO

06-15-2005, 10:50 AM

Of course they will also cancel Brian Lehrer, Fresh Air, and the Infinite Mind and leave us with nothing but that god-awful Prarie Home Companion.  That show just plain blows.

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furie

06-15-2005, 10:52 AM

quote: 
 Other stations would have to increase
corporate sponsorships.  
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badorties

06-15-2005, 11:17 AM

Of course they will also cancel Brian Lehrer, Fresh Air, and the Infinite Mind and leave us with nothing but that god-awful Prarie Home Companion.  That show just plain blows. i love prarie home companion, can't wait for the robert altman <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0420087/" target="_blank">adaptation</a> -- maybe it'll be such a sucess that it'll save NPR ...

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KC2OSO

06-15-2005, 11:53 AM

The only thing that might save Prarie Home Companion would be seeing Garrison Keillor impaled with on a midwest fence-post as dull as he is.  That show is almost as bad as the endless babbling and phony laughter from the Car Guys (the Don and Mike of NPR).  How a network with such brilliant programming can broadcast that shit is beyond me.

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06-15-2005, 12:34 PM

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06-15-2005, 12:36 PM

Mountain Stage beats the crap out of Prarie Home Companion, then rapes its mother as a topper.

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Tall_James

06-15-2005, 02:19 PM

Mountain Stage beats the crap out of Prarie Home Companion, then rapes its mother as a topper.When the man's right, he's right.I was dragged to Town Hall a few years ago for PHC's annual Christmas time shows in NYC.  I nearly fell asleep because of the droning monotonous voice of Garrison Keillor.  

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Death Metal Moe

06-15-2005, 03:07 PM

Do kids even watch Sesame Street anymore?  With all the other shit out there competing for their attention I'd be surprised if they do.  And I could give a shit about all the other crap on PBS.

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06-15-2005, 03:10 PM

Do kids even watch Sesame Street anymore? I can vouch for the fact that they still do.

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HBox

06-15-2005, 03:21 PM

<img width="312" height="234" border="0" src="http://img10.echo.cx/img10/9669/keillor12yz.jpg" /> Well,
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robust, the men are pink cheeked, and the children are pink cheeked and
robust.  <img width="313" height="236" border="0" src="http://img10.echo.cx/img10/5301/keillor27nx.jpg" />  <img width="312" height="239" border="0" src="http://img10.echo.cx/img10/7300/keillor36xh.jpg" /> What the hell's so funny?  <img width="316" height="239" border="0" src="http://img80.echo.cx/img80/4981/keillor40ro.jpg" /> At
the Apple Biscuit Cafe, where smiles are free don't ya know, Sven
Inquist studied the menu and finally he ordered the same thing he has
everyday.   <img width="313" height="236" border="0" src="http://img10.echo.cx/img10/5301/keillor27nx.jpg" />  <img width="314" height="234" border="0" src="http://img80.echo.cx/img80/8858/keillor52nw.jpg" /> Maybe it's the TV.  <img width="312" height="238" border="0" src="http://img80.echo.cx/img80/7608/keillor61cq.jpg" /> Stupid TV, BE MORE FUNNY!  <img width="313" height="238" border="0" src="http://img80.echo.cx/img80/5049/keillor78id.jpg" /> Well
sir, I think its time to turn this pledge drive over to Troy McClure, I
can't keep up this pace forever. sigh. 


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Tall_James

06-15-2005, 03:25 PM

That is EXACTLY how it seemed being in the audience for that pubically-funded crapfest.

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Bulldogcakes

06-15-2005, 05:52 PM

I listen to NPR and WNYC more than any other station, and I have no problem with this. For those who do have a problem with this, I suggest1) You support your local public radio station (I do) 
2) You can tell some of these stations to put on programs (WLIW
comes to mind) which are actually educational and/or informative. And
not Lawrence Welk/Ed Sullivan/Flyover Italy garbage. 
3) They can add more corporate sponsors. Or God forbid, run a commercial or two. I've
never bought into the notion that running commercials corrupts the news
division of any major network. And the thought that it would sounds to
me like cartoonish, left wing conspiracy nonsense. If a network
wants to be TRULY independant, they should not take a dime from any
politician. I can cite numerous examples of NYC politicians leaning on
WNYC hosts (back when it was 100% funded by the city) to put friends of
theirs on, and when they refused, the politician threatened their boss
with withholding/opposing future funding. Also, PBS is an
anachronism. You have the History Channel, Nasa channel, Discovery
Channel, C-Span (Which doesn't recieve a dime from the feds) Science
& tech, etc etc. And PBS has all to often been a vehicle for getting
out a left leaning Upper West Side view of History, Science, and
Politics. Bill Moyer does regular shows on PBS, all attack pieces on
Republicans. Please name me the counterbalancing right winger on PBS
who does the "investigative" shows attacking the Left in a similar
fashion. Doesn't exist. 
 

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HBox

06-15-2005, 05:59 PM

I've never bought into the notion that running commercials corrupts the news division of any major network. 
Well, I guess you didn't hear about what BP
is doing. They have decided to pull their commercials from any
newscasts that portray them in an unflattering light. This is a
horrible precedent, and unfortunately other companies are following
suit.The more undeniable point is that when a newscast become
dependent on commercials, they become dependent on ratings, and when
that happens, ratings take precedent over newsworthiness, and that
leads to shit like round the clock Michael Jackson coverage, and then
you've lost any point for having PBS in the first
place. 

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FMJeff

06-15-2005, 06:22 PM

quote:  quote: Point out the bias in this particular story. Please.  Here.... quote: The loss could kill beloved children's shows like "Clifford the Big Red Dog," "Arthur," and "Postcards from Buster.  The bias here is that "Postcards from Buster" sucks ass and someone is trying to call it "beloved".   It is a low-rent spin-off of "Arthur", which is actually pretty good.<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=tall_james" border="0" /> <a href="http://cheeseeatingbird.blogspot.com/" target="blank">The Cheese-Eating Bird</a> I actually laughed out loud on that one. Very funny. Postcards from Buster does suck...but look..its government television. 

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FMJeff

06-15-2005, 06:29 PM

quote: Science & tech, etc etc. And PBS has all to often been a vehicle for getting out a left leaning Upper West Side view of History, Science, and Politics. Bill Moyer does regular shows on PBS, all attack pieces on Republicans. Please name me the counterbalancing right winger on PBS who does the "investigative" shows attacking the Left in a similar fashion. Doesn't exist.   Yeah...damn that left wing.....science? Dude...its science. It's the study of facts and data. Regardless of whomever than twists that data to suit thier own political purposes, the earth is still warming, species are still going extinct at an alarming rate, our water supply is as polluted as ever, etc. etc. etc. As for right wing political attack dogs, yeah Bulldog...they're SURE in SHORT supply...wherever will we find heroes to defend the right wing from us terrible liberals...oh yeah...Fox News...

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06-15-2005, 07:25 PM

Fox News isn't funded by my tax dollars....

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06-15-2005, 07:26 PM

quote:Yeah...damn
that left wing.....science? Dude...its science. It's the study of facts
and data. Regardless of whomever than twists that data to suit thier
own political purposes, the earth is still warming, species are still
going extinct at an alarming rate, our water supply is as polluted as
ever, etc. etc. etc.[/quote]  Right.
Which is why scientists NEVER argue about anything. Just get the facts,
then everybody agrees on them. There's always two or more ways to look
at the same set of facts. As for what the partisan hacks on both sides do with snippets of science, I dont care. I tune them out.Global
warming, Species extinction, and pollution are all the fault of.. . . .
(drumroll please) . . . .    GREEDY EVIL CAPITALISTS!!!
No politics here! 
As for right wing political attack dogs,
yeah Bulldog...they're SURE in SHORT supply...wherever will we find
heroes to defend the right wing from us terrible liberals...oh yeah...Fox News...As
usual, you've missed my entire point. I never once accused Liberals of
being terrible or anything resembling that. And I dont personally
believe that. While there are certainly plenty of right wing attack
dogs on COMMERCIAL radio and TV, we're talking about PBS. I'll stay on
topic. 
If PBS wants to be TRULY "Public" TV, than represent ALL points
of view as equally as possible. Like C-Span does. And C-Span does it
without a dime of public money.    I'm still waiting for the right wing investigative reporter on PBS. Enlighten me.  

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06-15-2005, 07:49 PM

Fox News isn't funded by my tax dollars.... Give it some time...

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FMJeff

06-15-2005, 08:13 PM

Right. Which is why scientists NEVER argue about anything. Just get the facts, then everybody agrees on them. There's always two or more ways to look at the same set of facts. I do agree some data lends itself open to interpretation, but you were suggesting PBS only shows left-wing interpretations of scientific data, which is silly. Maybe I misread you...I'm still waiting for the right wing investigative reporter on PBS. Enlighten me.  Maybe there isn't one, which is fine with me. I don't turn to PBS for political commentary. NPR is fairly balanced. PBS for me is a medium for the arts...that's what I enjoy about it...music, theater, quality children's television...I grew up on Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street...as my tastes evolved I came to enjoy the orchestral and jazz specials...I don't really want to focus on PBS so much as all federally subsidized communications...yes there are faults in the balance of PBS politics but the real substantial arguement for its defense is its quality entertainment programming. 

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06-15-2005, 09:20 PM

quote: Fox News isn't funded by my tax dollars.... <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/monster6sixty6/guests/elm_sig.gif" border="0" /> ....We haven't seen the sun since '71Thanks Monsterone!! and Rupert Murdoch holds little to no influence over the federal government and how and where it spends its money...sigh...

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Bulldogcakes

06-16-2005, 02:53 AM

quote:I'm still waiting for the right wing investigative reporter on PBS. Enlighten me.  Maybe
there isn't one, which is fine with me. I don't turn to PBS for
political commentary. NPR is fairly balanced. PBS for me is a medium
for the arts...that's what I enjoy about it...music, theater, quality
children's television...I grew up on Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street...as
my tastes evolved I came to enjoy the orchestral and jazz specials...I
don't really want to focus on PBS so much as all federally subsidized
communications...yes there are faults in the balance of PBS politics
but the real substantial arguement for its defense is its quality
entertainment programming. 

 
Sure its fine
with you, but you yourself were just complaining about Fox News. If you
were to the right of center politically, and saw one piece after
another blaming Republicans for everything thats wrong in the world,
you'd be annoyed. Then throw in they're funded with your tax dollars.
(Again, Fox isn't) 
 NPR is fairly balanced, and makes a constant effort to be so.
PBS should do the same, if they want public funding. But they haven't
changed. This fight was started by Newt Gingrich in the mid 90's and
despite all the threats and cajoling by Congress, the product hasn't
changed. And you know what? If they wont change, thats fine
with me. They probably shouldn't. They've built an audience who
respects and trusts them for their content. There's alot to be said for
the Liberal point of view, I dont want them silenced. Just do it
without public funding. Or volunteer to have Fox News get a 25% budget
increase from the Feds, to be fair. Do you realize that C-Span
is a product of the Cable industry? And recieves no public money?
Congress, working with the cable industry in the 70's, had the industry
make space for public affairs programming. And while there WAS a
need for PBS in the old, 13 channel TV world, its all changed so much
that to still prop them up with public dollars is unecessary. PBS will
survive, maybe they'll need to adapt a little to do so. 


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DarkHippie

06-16-2005, 07:10 AM

I'm still waiting for the right wing investigative reporter on PBS. Enlighten me.    Tucker Carlson has an hour show on PBS.

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06-16-2005, 02:06 PM

quote:  I'm still waiting for the right wing investigative reporter on PBS. Enlighten me. Tucker Carlson has an hour show on PBS<a target="blank" href="http://home.pcisys.net/%7Edrmforge/dftoc2.htm%20"> </a>


 Anyone under the age of 60 who wears a bowtie doesn't count.<img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" />  Plus,
commentary and interview is what it is, one man's opinion. But the
"Frontline" and "Bill Moyer" specials are presented as hard news. Its
the difference between the editorial page and the front page. And thats
what upsets people. 


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FMJeff

06-16-2005, 03:26 PM

quote:  quote: I'm still waiting for the right wing investigative reporter on PBS. Enlighten me.  Maybe there isn't one, which is fine with me. I don't turn to PBS for political commentary. NPR is fairly balanced. PBS for me is a medium for the arts...that's what I enjoy about it...music, theater, quality children's television...I grew up on Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street...as my tastes evolved I came to enjoy the orchestral and jazz specials...I don't really want to focus on PBS so much as all federally subsidized communications...yes there are faults in the balance of PBS politics but the real substantial arguement for its defense is its quality entertainment programming. Sure its fine with you, but you yourself were just complaining about Fox News. If you were to the right of center politically, and saw one piece after another blaming Republicans for everything thats wrong in the world, you'd be annoyed. Then throw in they're funded with your tax dollars. (Again, Fox isn't)  NPR is fairly balanced, and makes a constant effort to be so. PBS should do the same, if they want public funding. But they haven't changed. This fight was started by Newt Gingrich in the mid 90's and despite all the threats and cajoling by Congress, the product hasn't changed. And you know what? If they wont change, thats fine with me. They probably shouldn't. They've built an audience who respects and trusts them for their content. There's alot to be said for the Liberal point of view, I dont want them silenced. Just do it without public funding. Or volunteer to have Fox News get a 25% budget increase from the Feds, to be fair. Do you realize that C-Span is a product of the Cable industry? And recieves no public money? Congress, working with the cable industry in the 70's, had the industry make space for public affairs programming.And while there WAS a need for PBS in the old, 13 channel TV world, its all changed so much that to still prop them up with public dollars is unecessary. PBS will survive, maybe they'll need to adapt a little to do so. <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Kevin2700/cakescopy.jpg" border="0" /> <a href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/index.html" target="blank">My brand spankin new site Bully Baby</a> Do Siamese twins have to file seperate tax returns? Or do they file jointly? That's a valid point, and if it were me, I'd be willing to make the compromise of losing all political/news programming to keep the arts. 

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HBox

06-16-2005, 03:34 PM

Don't knock Frontline. That's fine programming. 

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TheMojoPin

06-16-2005, 04:24 PM

True. It's obvious PBS often skews waaaaay left with their political programming, but "Frontline," in my opinion, is by far THE best news/investigation/documentary program on TV today.

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Bulldogcakes

06-16-2005, 05:12 PM

<img border="0" src="http://www.2momluvme.com/sesame/oscarpuppet.jpg" /> "Big Bird's a COMMIE PINKO LIBERAL, and dont you ever forget it" There's a question. What are the political leanings of the Sesame street charecters? Or the Muppets? Oscar the Grouch-Definitely an arch-conservative. Anyone who's that grouchy must be a Republican.But what aboutKermit the frog Fozzie bear Big Bird Miss Piggy Cookie monster The great Gonzo and Big Birds buddy, Snuffleupagus 
 


 

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East Side Dave

06-16-2005, 06:03 PM

I thought I'd chime in being that the station I work at is an NPR affiliate................ .......nope! I got nothin'! Back to the Yankee thread, Speedy!! Speedy: Yes, Master!

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06-18-2005, 02:02 AM

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TheMojoPin

06-18-2005, 05:59 AM

Oscar the Grouch-Definitely an arch-conservative. Anyone who's that grouchy must be a Republican.Man, you're nuts.  I defy you find a homeless conservative/Republican living in a garbage can ANYWHERE, no matter how grouchy they are.

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Bulldogcakes

06-18-2005, 06:44 PM

I stand corrected. Plus, you can be pretty grouchy yourself, and you're no conservative.  Miss Piggy- Well, thats easy. A Communist pig. Or a Capitalist pig. But definitely a pig. OK, thats not easy at all.  Kermit
the Frog- An obvious Homosexual, notice the way he stares at
Snuffleupagus' ass as he walks out of the room. Plus, he's been friends
with Miss Piggy for years and never banged the pig. Every straight man
has gone hogging once or two hundred and fifty seven times in their
life. I'd say a liberal fag. Cookie Monster- A
Manhattan Institute Free Market Capitalist all the way. Anyone who
wants ALL the cookies makes a great capitalist. 


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