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curtoid

03-28-2006, 05:14 AM

King Imp wrote: HBox wrote: Sexual Harassment Chick............. just bad, on so many levels............ SO BAD............... GO AWAY.............. AMEN! Did they really need to bring in another wacko at this point in the season? I can already feel that this sexual harrassment storyline is going to be extremely annoying. The only good thing about it, is that she went from saving the day to a freak in a half a second - very funny reaction from Chloe - she never trusts anyone, and the moment she does that person turns out to be another issue for her to deal with. 24 does this all the time - brings in people who you are lead to believe one thing about, and then either redeem them or trash them, depending on the 1st impression.The Homeland Security guy may turn out to be the cool one in all of this.* one major quibble - didn't everyone already assume that CTU was part of Homeland Security? Or that they would have been swept in by now? FEMA was absorbed, for crying out loud, why not CTU?* great to see Aaron being used last night - some good stuff with him this season. While I hate to see President Palmer, Edgar, Michelle and Tony all bite it this season, it's cool to see him and Chloe flesh out; great gun fight last night* I love having Wayne Palmer come back into the story* the woman from Homeland Security looks like Helen Mirran* both the Germans and the Chinese now hate Jack Bauer* now Audrey will have a story to share with her family at Thanksgiving, as she and her brother compare notes on being tortured by CTU* if President Logan is supposed to remind of us Nixon, then I am guessing the Vice President is supposed to remind us of Al Haig ("I'm in charge")* I still think Curtis might be another mole* I am slightly disappointed in this season - at the end end of "Day 4," we were teased with the possibility that the show would take a radical turn in the next season, because of the entire "Jack on the run" angle. The only thing it really did was set up some interesting twists to set him up to bring him back, and kill a lot of old favorites; it's almost beat-for-beat however the same structure as previous seasons - not a bad thing (still one of the best shows ever), but it's not quite what I was hoping for.* my big out on a limb prediction is that the final act of this season will be Jack chasing down Peter Weller, and it will be revealed that he has Kim-napped Jack's daughter - they were both at CTU at the same time, left about the same time, and they went to such pains to set it up that he was a psuedo "father-figure" when Jack died that it's easy to see where he would have had that moment of sympathy to trick her. There was no other reason to bring them all together at CTU at the same time, imo, and besides this entire season has been about making the tension personal - President Palmer, Michelle, Tony, Audrey and then his daughter.

BoondockSaint

03-28-2006, 12:34 PM

Chloe is so efficent.  When Jack told her to find a link between Audrey and Cummings, she found out about the hotel, contacted the manager, sent him pictures and had him send her receipts and phone records....all in under ten minutes.  Amazing.

King Imp

03-28-2006, 10:02 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Chloe is so efficent.  When Jack told her to find a link between Audrey and Cummings, she found out about the hotel, contacted the manager, sent him pictures and had him send her receipts and phone records....all in under ten minutes.  Amazing. I love how this manager also just happens to recognize the photos of two people out of God knows how many who have walked through their doors.

HBox

03-28-2006, 10:47 PM

* I am slightly disappointed in this season - at
the end end of "Day 4," we were teased with the possibility that the
show would take a radical turn in the next season, because of the
entire "Jack on the run" angle. The only thing it really did was set up
some interesting twists to set him up to bring him back, and kill a lot
of old favorites; it's almost beat-for-beat however the same structure
as previous seasons - not a bad thing (still one of the best shows
ever), but it's not quite what I was hoping for.I read something about that last summer. They really did start out trying to do that, with the Chinese trying to chase Jack down. But they just couldn't make it work. I'm glad they didn't go down another path if they weren't confident in the direction. But maybe it does explain the constant feeling of Deja Vu that's been going on all season.

JamMaster

03-28-2006, 11:22 PM

I loved the way things were handled with Jack and Audrey Raines....But the first thing that popped in my head during the initial interrogation was.....Does Jack Bauer have to choke a bitch.......(Wayne Brady style)I made my brother snarf when I said that.Great episode...

nevnut

04-03-2006, 05:09 PM

A lot of times I have to refrain from reading this thread until after 8 pacific otherwise I end up knowing what's happenin' before I watch. So what.... Jack havin' a slow night tonight.Just thought I would get this thread moved up.

King Imp

04-03-2006, 06:18 PM

Never saw that one coming.  WOW! I knew it wasn't going to be the VP, simply because they were making it too obvious, but I never thought they go this far with the threat. I kinda have a bad feeling about the rest of the season now. I mean, how the hell do you take down the President in a matter of hours? I don't see how this can possibly be resolved and if by chance they do, it will come off as very unrealistic.

Billy Staples

04-03-2006, 07:15 PM

King Imp wrote: Never saw that one coming.  WOW! I knew it wasn't going to be the VP, simply because they were making it too obvious, but I never thought they go this far with the threat. I kinda have a bad feeling about the rest of the season now. I mean, how the hell do you take down the President in a matter of hours? I don't see how this can possibly be resolved and if by chance they do, it will come off as very unrealistic.  Sot he Prez was pretending to be a fool all this time and an imbecile scared asshole?  Is he that smart to do that?  Was he in on the All of it, Air Force 1 last year and Palmer being shot this year...is there a connnection.   I thought that hot chick who gave up audrey was also the chick who blew up the airliner in season 1?  any chance? I dont know what that means though, just curious 512

EliSnow

04-04-2006, 05:27 AM

I thought that hot chick who gave up audrey was also the chick who blew up the airliner in season 1?  any chance? Nope, that chick, nicknamed Naked Mandy, who appeared in seasons 1, 2, and 4 is this girl, and is a regular on The L Word.  She also was on Not Another Teen Movie among other roles:<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f373/EliSnow/mkirshner2.jpg" border="0" />Collette Stanger was played by Stana Katic:<img height="110" src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f373/EliSnow/talent04.jpg" width="146" border="0" />

Furtherman

04-04-2006, 09:06 AM

Billy Staples wrote: King Imp wrote: Never saw that one coming.  WOW! I knew it wasn't going to be the VP, simply because they were making it too obvious, but I never thought they go this far with the threat. I kinda have a bad feeling about the rest of the season now. I mean, how the hell do you take down the President in a matter of hours? I don't see how this can possibly be resolved and if by chance they do, it will come off as very unrealistic.  Sot he Prez was pretending to be a fool all this time and an imbecile scared asshole?  Is he that smart to do that?  If that is true - then this show has fooled everyone!  I was shocked too to see the President on the other end of that phone.  Another great episode.

curtoid

04-04-2006, 10:38 AM

I was pretty sure it wasn't going to be the Vice President (love that actor!), but I never suspected it would be Logan. A friend of mine did call it, though, late in the show, right after the VP asked Logan if he was aware that Wayne Palmer was there - something about the President's reaction made her suddenly question if it was him. Will be really interesting to watch the rest of the season with this knowledge - is it time for Mike Novak to be a gun toting here, or is he going to bite it finally????

Fallon

04-04-2006, 07:08 PM

Prison Break already has something going on with the Vice Pres, maybe they didn't want to go in that direction too.

Hagar

04-08-2006, 10:09 AM

If you have watched past seasons, you know not to pass judgment on a character from the begining. Often an asshole or cunt will turn out to be a key part of the show or even become jacks alie. those who started as good/bad then did a 180, Tony, George Mason, Rudy, Nina, Mrs. Palmer, etc. I just hope that they can keep the show slightly believable while leaving in the surprises. getting harder every week.<table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2" width="100%" border="0"><tr><td> </td></tr><tr><td><img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/bobogolem/Hey.jpg" align="left" border="0" />   </td></tr></table>

Billy Staples

04-08-2006, 07:35 PM

The United States has something going on with the Vice Pres, maybe they didn't want to go in that direction too. i can see that line of thinking

EliSnow

04-09-2006, 08:55 AM

Hagar wrote: If you have watched past seasons, you know not to pass judgment on a character from the begining. Often an asshole or cunt will turn out to be a key part of the show or even become jacks alie. those who started as good/bad then did a 180, Tony, George Mason, Rudy, Nina, Mrs. Palmer, etc. I just hope that they can keep the show slightly believable while leaving in the surprises. getting harder every week.I never thought that Mrs. Palmer was good.  She was pretty much a bitch from the get go with me.  The only thing that changed was the level of bitchiness that she achieved.

newport king

04-10-2006, 06:06 PM

thought it was a pretty weak episode. i'd just like to know the point of having the president do a heel turn. is it just for the sake of a plot twist? they better have some pretty good reasoning for this. this is starting to get as bad as the season that had me watching mexicans for 8 hours only to completely go in a different direction for no reason.

Tall_James

04-10-2006, 07:28 PM

Anyone else get the heebie-jeebies when Logan and the First Lady started to make out?Yuck.

Plethora

04-10-2006, 10:34 PM

Tall_James wrote: Anyone else get the heebie-jeebies when Logan and the First Lady started to make out?Yuck.  Yes, yes and yes!  That was a remarkable scene... cool to see that much story/emotion packed into a thoroughly repulsive and awkward kiss.  Can't recall the last time I've seen that on tv.btw, is it odd to find that scene creepy considering your current avatar?  It gets me every time. If you ever do another version, can I suggest a line from Ron  (I believe referring to Mrs Paul O) -- "YOU CALL THAT F*CKING?!"

King Imp

04-11-2006, 04:00 AM

Great episode, but I can already tell that next week will piss me off. First, Secretary Heller is going to be confronting President Logan way too soon. If this was the next to last or last episode, then it would be cool, but with 6 to go you just know something is going to happen to Heller. He won't be bringing down Logan that easy or that early. Second, the whole "we caught you Chloe, now you are being arrested" storylines are really getting annoying and predictable. How many fucking times does that have to happen each season?

Plethora

04-11-2006, 06:54 AM

King Imp wrote: How many fucking times does that have to happen each season?   2.418281828... But it's nothing compared to the kim-napping (thanks Curtoid) from previous seasons, and I believe in Season One there was the equivalent of a Star Trek Red Shirt who got knocked out / knocked goofy like 5 times over the course of one day.  I think they're getting a bit better about that sort of stuff... maybe.  Gotta see how the Logan thing gets resolved.  And then, of course, re-watch the whole season to make sure it all makes sense, heh.

Tall_James

04-11-2006, 08:36 AM

cool to see that much story/emotion packed into a thoroughly repulsive and awkward kiss.  Can't recall the last time I've seen that on tv.<img height="380" src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c174/cheeseeatingbird/mj.jpg" width="267" border="0" />

Plethora

04-11-2006, 08:39 AM

And now I do.... Thanks.... really.

Jennitalia

04-11-2006, 08:50 AM

Tall_James wrote: Anyone else get the heebie-jeebies when Logan and the First Lady started to make out?Yuck.That scene made my tookie cringe

Tall_James

04-11-2006, 09:00 AM

Jennitalia wrote: Tall_James wrote: Anyone else get the heebie-jeebies when Logan and the First Lady started to make out?Yuck.That scene made my tookie cringeIf you were here I'd give you a big smooch for making laugh out loud on a shitty day.

EliSnow

04-12-2006, 05:26 AM

Does anyone else believe that we will not see the final fate of Mrs. Logan's assistant and her daughter, and we're to assume that they are dead?

curtoid

04-12-2006, 06:21 AM

EliSnow wrote: Does anyone else believe that we will not see the final fate of Mrs. Logan's assistant and her daughter, and we're to assume that they are dead?At some point Jack or Henderson will make a reference to the assistant and the daughter getting killed - Jack will have to assume that if they were able to track them to the bank, then they more than likely got to the woman. I can see a scene with Wayne being horrified by that thought, and Jack trying to pull him together.

EliSnow

04-18-2006, 04:36 AM

No comments on last night?  The bodies are really starting to pile up.  I think we've seen the last of Aaron Pierce (everyone's favorite Secret Service agent), and Secretary of Defense Heller does not look long for the world.  Henderson pulled a unique and pretty original move with the hostage exchange of Audrey for the tape.  Cutting her artery to force Jack to give the tape and to stay with her was really smart.  I don't think I've seen that move before on television or in movies.  Of course, that fact means that we'll see it again and again from now on.Also, we had another of what I like to call a "That's Jack Fucking Bauer" moment when he suffered intense heat and burns by burning his restraints off.   I know Logan's going down, but we had better see a face to face moment between him and Bauer.  That and I can't wait to see the Homeland Security asshole get his in some way.

Furtherman

04-18-2006, 05:09 AM

EliSnow wrote: Does anyone else believe that we will not see the final fate of Mrs. Logan's assistant and her daughter, and we're to assume that they are dead?I missed that episode.  I'm guessing the recording was in a bank vault and Mrs. Logan's assistant and her daughter went with Jack to the bank and Henderson had his men meet them outside the bank.  What happened to the woman and her daughter?

curtoid

04-18-2006, 05:29 AM

Furtherman wrote: I missed that episode.  I'm guessing the recording was in a bank vault and Mrs. Logan's assistant and her daughter went with Jack to the bank and Henderson had his men meet them outside the bank.  What happened to the woman and her daughter?The assistant wouldn't tell Jack what she had or where she had it because Henderson had her daughter. Jack assured her they would rescue the daughter, which they did, but the woman was shot (I think in the leg or side). That was when she told Jack that it was President Logan who was the real bad guy - and that she had a tape to prove it in a bank vault. Jack and Wayne Palmer drove her to a hotel - all of LA is looking for Jack - the entire city is in a lockdown. The bad guys want the tape and that woman, and Jack knows that they will be monitoring the hospitals and ER's for her to come in with a gunshot wound. He also can't call CTU.Jack thinks about leaving Wayne there with her, but she assures him she will be all right - that he needs Wayne, just as another person. So Jack and Wayne leave the woman (Elaine?) and her little girl alone in the hotel, where she eventually passes out. The little girl freaks out - the mom wakes up and tries to get to her and collapses and hits her head - the little girl calls 9-1-1 and tells them her mommy is hurt, and gives the dispatcher her mother's name - moments later Henderson receives word, and he is quickly en-route.The woman is awoken by paramedics, who call her by name - she freaks out, because she knows that if they know her name, then...BANG...the paramedics are killed, as Henderson walks in the room, looking down on the woman and her daughter.Moments later, we see the bad guys making a bee-line for the bank where Jack is, with no mention of the assistant or her little girl.

Furtherman

04-18-2006, 06:13 AM

Thank you Curtoid!After knowing that, yea... Henderson will probably use the little girl as a negotiating tool later on.

curtoid

04-18-2006, 06:37 AM

Furtherman wrote: Henderson will probably use the little girl as a negotiating tool later on.I keep thinking that Henderon has Kim Bauer hidden away as one final trump card with Jack (they both left CTU at the same time when the gas went off)  - I also think the little girl and mother are both dead, or we are suppose to believe it - this has been a very brutal season.Maybe the worst scene ever for me was when Henderson sliced up Audrey in the stand-off with Jack. Holy crap, that whole thing, and the scenes with Heller and Logan, was just a nightmare to watch.

EliSnow

04-18-2006, 06:41 AM

curtoid wrote: I keep thinking that Henderon has Kim Bauer hidden away as one final trump card with Jack (they both left CTU at the same time when the gas went off)  - I also think the little girl and mother are both dead, or we are suppose to believe it - this has been a very brutal season.I agree on all points.

WindowSill

04-24-2006, 05:32 PM

HOLY SHIT HELLER DROVE INTO THE FUCKIN LAKE!!! Anyone
else think he's still alive? I mean with all his extensive military
training...you'd think he can hold his breath for a really long
time. 

This message was edited by WindowSill on 4-24-06 @ 9:34 PM

HBox

04-24-2006, 05:59 PM

Any thoughts on the ear-piece mafia? 

This message was edited by HBox on 4-24-06 @ 9:59 PM

King Imp

04-24-2006, 07:12 PM

Jesus, this season really is turning into a Robocop reunion show. What's next, will Nancy Allen, Ronny Cox, Miguel Ferrer and Kurtwood Smith show up in the final episode?

Tall_James

04-24-2006, 07:17 PM

Any thoughts on the ear-piece mafia?No but apparently they have sufficient enough power to make the President of the USA their bitch.I think they're the so-called "right wing conspiracy folks" Hillary talked abou.

HBox

04-24-2006, 07:18 PM

Tall_James wrote:  Any thoughts on the ear-piece mafia? No but apparently they have sufficient enough power to make the President of the USA their bitch.I think they're the so-called "right wing conspiracy folks" Hillary talked abou.  But there was a black guy.

newport king

04-24-2006, 07:33 PM

HOLY SHIT HELLER DROVE INTO THE FUCKIN LAKE!!!that was like a 700 ft drop, theres no way he's alive.and this weeks episode was awful. nothing happened. i'm really starting to lose interest in this season as it seems to be going nowhere.

Plethora

04-24-2006, 08:14 PM

King Imp wrote: Jesus, this season really is turning into a Robocop reunion show. What's next, will Nancy Allen, Ronny Cox, Miguel Ferrer and Kurtwood Smith show up in the final episode?   I can't wait for the climactic scene where Vince McMahon yells "President Logan... you're FIIIIIIIRED!" and then Peter Weller throws Logan out the window.Oh, wait...

Doctor Manhattan

04-25-2006, 04:08 AM

HBox wrote: Any thoughts on the ear-piece mafia? This message was edited by HBox on 4-24-06 @ 9:59 PM Just product placement for whoever makes those Blue Tooth head sets. (Motorola?)When are men going to figure out how gay you look when you wear them all the time (while not on the phone) Take them off when you are done talking. You look like an ASS!

curtoid

04-25-2006, 06:18 AM

newport king wrote:  and this weeks episode was awful. nothing happened. i'm really starting to lose interest in this season as it seems to be going nowhere.haha - I had a completely different reaction. I loved last night - new level of bad guy is exposed - Heller killing himself like that - the woman that looks like Helen Mirran who is heading CTU/Homeland Security wising up - Audrey with the gun - Chloe bossing her boss around - Henderson finally caught - the President shitting bricks and threatening his wife - and Jack running and shooting and chasing and sneaking.

Doctor Manhattan

04-25-2006, 08:10 AM

curtoid wrote: newport king wrote:  and this weeks episode was awful. nothing happened. i'm really starting to lose interest in this season as it seems to be going nowhere.haha - I had a completely different reaction. I loved last night - new level of bad guy is exposed - Heller killing himself like that - the woman that looks like Helen Mirran who is heading CTU/Homeland Security wising up - Audrey with the gun - Chloe bossing her boss around - Henderson finally caught - the President shitting bricks and threatening his wife - and Jack running and shooting and chasing and sneaking.

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Doctor Manhattan

04-25-2006, 08:11 AM

And calling his PC "pathetic" that made me laugh.But I didn't think the PCs they used at CTU actually had to do the processing of their "CT tasks", I thought all those servers did that stuff, and the PCs were basically just remotes they use to access them.

Furtherman

05-02-2006, 11:28 AM

Great episode last night!  Chole with the stunner was classic.  Although it was just a little bit too much that Jack knew how to mess with the plane's guideance system, overall just a real nail biter - and did I hear correctly - only 4 more hours left?  This show rocks - how will they wind it up?!

JustJon

05-02-2006, 12:29 PM

Furtherman wrote: Great episode last night! Chole with the stunner was classic. Although it was just a little bit too much that Jack knew how to mess with the plane's guideance system, overall just a real nail biter - and did I hear correctly - only 4 more hours left? This show rocks - how will they wind it up?!  I firmly believe a former military man (sorry, I forget what branch he did Spec Ops for) would know something about airplanes.  That information is easily learned just by reading about them.

Doctor Manhattan

05-03-2006, 06:59 AM

Furtherman wrote: Great episode last night!  Chole with the stunner was classic. It was good until they did it a second time. Are they trying to make this a comedy?

IamFogHat

05-03-2006, 07:09 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: Furtherman wrote: Great episode last night!  Chole with the stunner was classic. It was good until they did it a second time. Are they trying to make this a comedy?A little levity never hurt.  It's called 'comic relief'.  You should check it out.  It's in every play, tv show, movie and piece of literature ever created.

Doctor Manhattan

05-03-2006, 07:38 AM

Chloe's character has been full of comic relief since she joined the cast (I mentioned the "pathetic" line from a couple weeks ago) so I don't have a problem with that. I just don't think they need to turn 24 into the 3 stooges with too much slap stick.They got the point across the first time she stunned him. And she mentioned her PC was a "CTU Series 4" after he asked what kind of PC that was, but not before stun gunning him.

curtoid

05-03-2006, 07:58 AM

For me the second time was the charm with the stun gun - I remember being anxious when she first walked into the bar, but again they proved that Chloe is (in many respects) Jack's equal. The show NEEDS to have some humor. I really hope Miles is back next year, simply as a foil for Chloe.

Doctor Manhattan

05-03-2006, 09:04 AM

You were anxious about an adult woman walking into a bar with a laptop and Cell phone? I wouldn't call her Jack's equal, but Jack couldn't get along without her, no doubt! I haven't seen any of her stand up: <a href="http://www.marylynnrajskub.net/">http://www.marylynnrajskub.net/</a>or anything she's been in outside of "Punch Drunk Love" and "Magnolia" but I am big fan of Chole/Mary Lynn!



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WindowSill

05-08-2006, 05:08 PM

WindowSill wrote: HOLY SHIT HELLER DROVE INTO THE FUCKIN LAKE!!! Anyone
else think he's still alive? I mean with all his extensive military
training...you'd think he can hold his breath for a really long
time. 

 
  TOLD YA SO! <blockquote />

Doctor Manhattan

05-08-2006, 05:41 PM

If he's alive, then he's in on the plot against Palmer/Jack

BoondockSaint

05-08-2006, 05:45 PM

I'm betting it's not the right recorder Jack has.

Plethora

05-08-2006, 07:21 PM

Excellent episode tonight.  This season, 24 is completely doing what the show was made for and the writers apparently are excellent at -- the old time movie serial.  Move the plot along, tension, move the plot along, cliffhanger... just excellent.  Can't wait to see how it all gets wrapped up.  And perhaps we'll even get to see a bit more Devane!

Rockvillejoe

05-08-2006, 07:46 PM

Watching 24 is fun, but the  suspension of dispbelief needed to get through each episode is getting harder to accomplish. Jack Bauer's inability to just play the god damn tape over his cell phone has me screaming at the TV for the entire hour. If he played the tape over the cell phone while on the plane, that Nixon clone of a president would have eaten his gun by now. And while I'm at it, that worm Niles should have been relieved of his position right after Chloe escaped. Now he will get what he deserves: sleeping with the fishes. And who are those "star chamber" mo fo's? The bald guy with the blue tooth headset is another graduate from Robocop 1, as well as Peter Weller. One more thing: why transfer Bialek out of CTU, when you have all the tools to interrogate him there? Oye. Despite the absurd pretexts, 24 still is  must see every week.

HBox

05-08-2006, 07:54 PM

One more thing: why transfer Bialek out of CTU, when you have all the tools to interrogate him there?I think because CTU isn't used for long term incarceration, and since there is no need for immediate intelligence from him since his plan failed, it seems appropriate.If he played the tape over the cell phone while on the plane, that Nixon clone of a president would have eaten his gun by now.It's already a recording of a telephone call on a handheld digital recorder. Imagine who crappier it would be played through its dinky speakers and over a cell phone call. It wouldn't stand up any scrutinization. Something with as shitty a quality as that would be torn apart and couldn't be trusted.

Rockvillejoe

05-08-2006, 11:54 PM

HBox wrote:  One more thing: why transfer Bialek out of CTU, when you have all the tools to interrogate him there?  I think because CTU isn't used for long term incarceration, and since there is no need for immediate intelligence from him since his plan failed, it seems appropriate. Who's talking long term? This terrorist activity occurred less than 24 hours ago. CTU is properly equipped to handle in- depth interrogation. It has the drugs, the shock therapy, etc. This guy is a major fish. He knows everything. He is your best source to uncover the entire operation. What, are they short on cell space for major criminals? To transport out of the unit that is trained to extract crucial intel is a joke.  If he played the tape over the cell phone while on the plane, that Nixon clone of a president would have eaten his gun by now.   It's already a recording of a telephone call on a handheld digital recorder. Imagine who crappier it would be played through its dinky speakers and over a cell phone call. It wouldn't stand up any scrutinization. Something with as shitty a quality as that would be torn apart and couldn't be trusted.Maybe in the past. Present day audio forensics can pinpoint and distinguish voice patterns as specific as your fingerprints. We alll heard the recording. It was legible enough to  be sent and transcribed via cell phone. The voiceprints are there. The only real questions  would be the chain of custody of the recorder and whether the tape had been edited. The latter could be proven valid without much trouble. Having said that, let's not have reality get in the way of a cracking good story. Copy that?

Rockvillejoe

05-08-2006, 11:59 PM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: Chloe's character has been full of comic relief since she joined the cast (I mentioned the "pathetic" line from a couple weeks ago) so I don't have a problem with that. I just don't think they need to turn 24 into the 3 stooges with too much slap stick.They got the point across the first time she stunned him. And she mentioned her PC was a "CTU Series 4" after he asked what kind of PC that was, but not before stun gunning him.Everytime I see Chloe, I only think of her as the comically off-beat, somewhat dimwitted secretary on the Larry Sanders show that hung out with Sarah Silverman's character in year 5. On 24,she does have that savant look about her, doesn't she? Very good casting.

King Imp

05-09-2006, 05:39 AM

Can CTU get any more inept than they are? Jesus Christ, how hard was it to play the recording for Hayes first so she actually knows for certain it real and then put a couple of fucking guards on Chloe so as to not risk anything happening?

curtoid

05-09-2006, 05:45 AM

A lot of fun - I knew the phone was going to ring right before the President was going to shoot himself (great panning shot of him leaving Martha's room, up into his office) - can't say I'm surprised Miles turned heal (still not sure if it's out of spite, out of advancement opportunities, or out of patriotism) - I am furious Mike Novak hasn't wised up yet - glad to see Aaron is still alive - I totally forgot about Vladimir being in custody, but wasn't at all surprised that ONCE MORE a mole gets in to break him out - and if Jack knows that tape is so important, WHY DIDN'T HE STAY WITH CHLOE INSTEAD OF RUSHING IN TO SEE AUDRY?!?!Oh - this show.

smitty76

05-09-2006, 07:52 AM

Heller being alive just really yanked me out of the show even more so then usual. I realize you have to put alot of suspension of belief into this series, but how the hell did Heller survive that.

curtoid

05-09-2006, 07:54 AM

smitty76 wrote: Heller being alive just really yanked me out of the show even more so then usual. I realize you have to put alot of suspension of belief into this series, but how the hell did Heller survive that. I was still hoping for one final double cross, and that Curtis is really a bad guy (my Mama told me never trust anyone named "Curtis") and that he was somehow setting up Audrey - no such luck, though.

Furtherman

05-09-2006, 08:17 AM

smitty76 wrote: Heller being alive just really yanked me out of the show even more so then usual. I realize you have to put alot of suspension of belief into this series, but how the hell did Heller survive that. I don't think the car took that big of a plunge.  I figured he would have popped up alive sooner or later.

Tall_James

05-09-2006, 08:23 AM

I was still hoping for one final double cross, and that Curtis is really a bad guyWhen Karen Hayes told Curtis to pick up Jack on the highway I was sure that Curtis was going to turn heel.

Rockvillejoe

05-10-2006, 07:28 PM

curtoid wrote: A lot of fun - I knew the phone was going to ring right before the President was going to shoot himself   This guy who plays the president deserves an emmy. I don't know what else he has done professionally, but his apprehensive, plodding, self destructive behavior is completely believable. The mannerisms, the total devastation clear on his face everytime he screws the next thing up rings true. Great casting for this role. Jean Smart is emmy worthy too. By the way, I think Black Earl could stand in for Curtis. Imagine Black Earl taking orders from Jack. I'd love to hear him explain to Jack why he didn't secure a perimeter, or got lost going to a rendevous point. that would be 24 "E" not "K" gold. 

This message was edited by Rockvillejoe on 5-10-06 @ 11:29 PM

Tenbatsuzen

05-10-2006, 07:37 PM

smitty76 wrote: Heller being alive just really yanked me out of the show even more so then usual. I realize you have to put alot of suspension of belief into this series, but how the hell did Heller survive that.    Heller was wearing his seatbelt, was a vietnam veteran, and FUCKING PUNCHED JACK BAUER IN THE THROAT AND LIVED TO TELL THE TALE. So yeah, I can buy him taking a dive in a luxury car built for safety and getting out of it.

Fallon

05-15-2006, 04:19 PM

Spy Report: Tonights episode will be on at 9:20 due to Bush's address at 8.

BoondockSaint

05-15-2006, 05:30 PM

You know it's going to be a great episode when Jack drops a guard with a heart punch in the first 5 minutes.

nevnut

05-15-2006, 05:39 PM

You guys are driving me nuts.Usually this board is dead on Monday nights 'till well after 24 is over here on the west coast.I can tell somethings up by how active it is tonight and I had to open the thread and quickly click the post button so I would not take the chance of catching what the fuck is happenin' so I can let you fuckers know I'm goin nuts here.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wacko.gif" border="0" />CYA at 8:00 pacific!!

Tenbatsuzen

05-15-2006, 05:47 PM

The 24 Universe: Where there are more job transfers between 12a and 7a that you'll have your entire career.

bitterbuffalo

05-15-2006, 05:58 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: The 24 Universe: Where there are more job transfers between 12a and 7a that you'll have your entire career.   And they have a file cabinet marked: Immunity Deals.

Furtherman

05-16-2006, 07:17 AM

A whole CTU convy was taken out and they left one survivor.  These terrorists are getting sloppy.Nice Mrs. Logan saving Aaron!  I'm glad they didn't kill him.  This season could end perfectly if it is Aaron who puts a bullet into Logan's head.

newport king

05-16-2006, 07:49 AM

i'm always willing to suspend disbelief but lately the writers have been letting me down with this show.in summation... President Logan cut a deal with this shadowy nameless organization to let russian extremists gain possesion of nerve gas. To somehow ensure the safety and wellbeing of this country.Logan ALSO allowed an expresident to be assassinated. Because somehow HE knew what was going down??Logan and Shadow Inc. apparently consider themselves "patriots", but Shadow Inc. knew exactly where the russian extremist was headed with this remaining can of nerve gas.Audrey, 3 hours removed from having her artery severed and nearly bleeding out is back at her desk working as if nothing happened.Everytime CTU needs to know something an immunity deal is in order...dating as far back as season 1 i recall the president needing to sign said immunity/pardon, but whatever.It just seems like this season jumped around and had plot twists just for the hell of it that had no continuity to the story telling.I;m as big as a 24 fan as anyone else, i've missed maybe 2 or 3 episodes since season 1 but this is stumbling toward the finish line.The only bigger waste of time was the Mexicans during that season where half way through it seemed like they just dropped that storyline.am i alone here in thinking this? if you take a step back and replay the whole thing, everything since the presidential heel turn has been a bit ridiculous, in my opinion.

Jennitalia

05-16-2006, 08:21 AM

i hadn't seen such a speedy recovery since Tony was shot at the mall (season 2, i think?)  and was out running about within a few hours.  Or, when Jack was tortured "to death" but came right out of it once he was brought back to life.  Then again, Jack is god.I'm somewhat disappointed in how the season is turning out, but i'll never give up on 24.

Plethora

05-16-2006, 08:27 AM

bitterbuffalo wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: The 24 Universe: Where there are more job transfers between 12a and 7a that you'll have your entire career. And they have a file cabinet marked: Immunity Deals.   Outstanding! <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/clap.gif" />

Plethora

05-16-2006, 08:37 AM

newport king wrote: i'm always willing to suspend disbelief but lately the writers have been letting me down with this show.in summation... President Logan cut a deal with this shadowy nameless organization to let russian extremists gain possesion of nerve gas. To somehow ensure the safety and wellbeing of this country.Not so far fetched in the context of Iran-Contra.  The Prez + Shadow setup a set of circumstances to galvanize public support for accelerating the war on terror (with the motivation of easier Logan ALSO allowed an expresident to be assassinated. Because somehow HE knew what was going down??Logan did not allow it, but knew afterwards that he was responsible.  One could assume that Palmer still had intelligence contacts and did learn something about what was afoot. Logan and Shadow Inc. apparently consider themselves "patriots", but Shadow Inc. knew exactly where the russian extremist was headed with this remaining can of nerve gas.They do not know.  Jack used Henderson to discover location of the computer dood.  Who was used by Bierko, but not by Shadow. Audrey, 3 hours removed from having her artery severed and nearly bleeding out is back at her desk working as if nothing happened.Yeah, that's a bit much, but par for the course over the entire season.  They probably gave here orange juice and a cookie and she was good to go! Everytime CTU needs to know something an immunity deal is in order...dating as far back as season 1 i recall the president needing to sign said immunity/pardon, but whatever.True that. It just seems like this season jumped around and had plot twists just for the hell of it that had no continuity to the story telling.I disagree.  I think this is a strong season and the story telling has been a lot more like the old time serial than it has been in some previous seasons... And that is exactly what 24 should be. I;m as big as a 24 fan as anyone else, i've missed maybe 2 or 3 episodes since season 1 but this is stumbling toward the finish line.The only bigger waste of time was the Mexicans during that season where half way through it seemed like they just dropped that storyline.am i alone here in thinking this? if you take a step back and replay the whole thing, everything since the presidential heel turn has been a bit ridiculous, in my opinion.  I'm looking forward to seeing the early episodes again at some point to see how the heel turn holds up.  I remember seeing the ep where Logan is unveiled as an evil genius instead of a simple idiot... Great AMAZING turn, but yep it was a bit hard to swallow.  I recall waiting for the next ep to see how it could possibly work out & that it became a bit more palatable with the addition of the Shadow boys (who seem to really enjoy sitting around glass tables and drinks on the rocks).  It'll be cool to see how well they did at making the whole thing work from the beginning.   All in all, I think an excellent season and I'm really looking forward to the finale to see how all is resolved.

BoondockSaint

05-22-2006, 05:42 AM

Don't forget that tonights season finale start at 8.  That's less then 11 hours from now. beep...boop...beep...boop

Sheeplovr

05-22-2006, 04:23 PM

there setting up jack to be a bad guy he'd never be a terroist
though but he's all like a bad guy killing people like an animal now the next 3 seasons hes going to be in a nut hut or something cause he's gone insain

Tall_James

05-22-2006, 05:33 PM

Bitchslapping the First Lady!

Tall_James

05-22-2006, 05:46 PM

Oh man!  Did those ninja's have chinese eyes????

HBox

05-22-2006, 06:01 PM

I learned that Jack Bauer is very vawuabwe to the Chinese. I shall also call him Titanium Skull Bauer henceforth.

BoondockSaint

05-22-2006, 06:03 PM

Fucking slants.  Now I gotta wait 7 months to see Jack kick their asses. 

Tenbatsuzen

05-22-2006, 06:07 PM

Why all the mockery of the Chinese?  Can't we just drop a bomb on them like we did 60 years ago?

cupcakelove

05-22-2006, 06:11 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Why all the mockery of the Chinese? Can't we just drop a bomb on them like we did 60 years ago? I believe you're thinking about the Japenese.  But I could be wrong.

Clutch

05-22-2006, 06:16 PM

Are they not all the same?  <<ding ding>> The whole season, Jack lost almost all the battles as apposed to winning all of them in previous seasons... when he said "just kill me" .... that shocked me ... Set's up a great next season....

Fallon

05-22-2006, 06:26 PM

I was watching with a buddy and called that jack bugged the President. Sweet.So if that phone wasn't off the hook would Audrey know Jack had been taken?

Meatball

05-22-2006, 06:31 PM

Chinese guy alluded to some Killing of a "consulate" in a previous season.FOr those of us who didnt see that season, anyone want to explain what happnend?And what of the people Logan was answering to? I though they wrap up all shit every season!

HBox

05-22-2006, 06:41 PM

Meatball wrote: Chinese guy alluded to some Killing of a "consulate" in a previous season.FOr those of us who didnt see that season, anyone want to explain what happnend?And what of the people Logan was answering to? I though they wrap up all shit every season!  The Chinese Embassy was protecting one of its nationals last season. The guy they were holding had some information about the plot last season. The Chinese refused to hand him over right away and wanted to wait until the morning to do it properly. The US needed the guy immediately. Bauer led a team into he embassy to abduct the suspect and in the process the Chinese consulate was killed in the crossfire. The Chinese were able to identify one of the members of Bauer's team, captured him and interrogated him. He admitted Bauer led the team in. The Chinese contacted the President and demanded he hand Bauer over. Logan decided that instead he would have Bauer killed himself. Palmer found out about it, warned him, and Chloe, Michelle and Tony helped him fake his death.

papastango

05-22-2006, 06:42 PM

jack killed a chinese diplomat last season....i know i am an ass 

This message was edited by papastango on 5-22-06 @ 10:43 PM

bitterbuffalo

05-22-2006, 07:16 PM

Exclusive Info on next season's big villain!!!!  <img width="200" height="252" border="0" src="http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/sports/chyna/chyna1.jpg" /> OMG!!!!!1!!!

Plethora

05-22-2006, 09:12 PM

Random thoughts on the finale --The ending Logan sequence was almost as satisfying as I wanted.  For an action/serial type show, they had some good acting this time around -- Logan and Martha especially. Why, why, why create a creepy love thing between Buchanan and the Homeland security woman, when you've just had the creepiest love thing ever with Logan and Martha?Chloe's husband will be a regular next season -- who else is left to be a regular?Disturbing Presidential Delay Tactic Sex Estimated Total Real Clock Time: Less than 8 minutes.  Last scene of Logan delaying the helicopter was around 6:52am -- next scene of Logan and Martha is 7 on the nose and they're already dressed again.Was the officer that told Jack he had a call in on the kidnapping?

HBox

05-22-2006, 09:21 PM

What I'd like to know is how the Chinese got Jack from the airfield into a tanker and then got the tanker well on its way out of the port in less than 15 minutes. That was the most blatant stretching of the real time format in the series' history.

Plethora

05-22-2006, 09:30 PM

They did show a helipad on the ship, so maybe... just maybe. But Jack has been <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=shanghaied" target="_blank">Shanghaied</a>, literally.

mdr55

05-22-2006, 09:35 PM

HBox wrote: What
I'd like to know is how the Chinese got Jack from the airfield into a
tanker and then got the tanker well on its way out of the port in less
than 15 minutes. That was the most blatant stretching of the real time
format in the series' history.   It's a fucking tv show. It's not supposed to be real. 
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bitterbuffalo

05-22-2006, 10:40 PM

I kind of got the impression that the real-time format ended with jack's kidnapping.  The scene on the ship was more like an epilogue. He was pretty darn beat up and swollen and his eye was already bruised and purple. I was more than willing to suspend my disbelief for one of the best endings this series has seen yet.  Besides, the real time gimmick is so old at this point that i dont mind if they bend the "rules" a little bit in order to create a better show. I always liked the real-time aspect but i also thought it held the show back at times.

HBox

05-22-2006, 10:46 PM

mdr55 wrote: HBox wrote: What
I'd like to know is how the Chinese got Jack from the airfield into a
tanker and then got the tanker well on its way out of the port in less
than 15 minutes. That was the most blatant stretching of the real time
format in the series' history. It's a fucking tv show. It's not supposed to be real. 
   Shouldn't you be holding vigil at a stable somewhere? I kind of got the impression that the real-time format ended with jack's kidnapping.  The
scene on the ship was more like an epilogue. He was pretty darn beat up
and swollen and his eye was already bruised and purple. I was more than
willing to suspend my disbelief for one of the best endings this series
has seen yet.  Besides, the real time gimmick is so old
at this point that i dont mind if they bend the "rules" a little bit in
order to create a better show. I always liked the real-time aspect but
i also thought it held the show back at times.I was thinking that, but they did flash the closing clock ticks right after showing that ship sailing away.

bitterbuffalo

05-22-2006, 10:49 PM

I was thinking that, but they did flash the closing clock ticks right after showing that ship sailing away.    They did, didn't they.... Crap! Well, I did see a giant Chinese Freighter parked outside that abandoned factory...maybe that was the one they escaped on?

Tenbatsuzen

05-22-2006, 11:04 PM

Plethora wrote: Was the officer that told Jack he had a call in on the kidnapping?   He WAS Asian. I just found it highly suspect that Kim would call jack at 6:30 in the morning. Besides, they can patch a petty officer using a distress frequency to Jack's phone, but not his daughter?  Blargh.

Fallon

05-22-2006, 11:29 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Plethora wrote: Was the officer that told Jack he had a call in on the kidnapping? He WAS Asian. I just found it highly suspect that Kim would call jack at 6:30 in the morning. Well the guy was asian, so it's a 90% chance his name was Kim. 

This message was edited by Fallon on 5-23-06 @ 3:31 AM

Doctor Manhattan

05-23-2006, 04:20 AM

So did I miss any more information on the Bluetooth Mafia? I know Logan called them to let them know Robocop was dead (and the leader of the "BTM" was one of the guys who shot his hand off before he became Robocop!) but did anyone find out anything more about them? Are they going to come back to them at the very end of next season (like the Chinese not being a factor until the last 5 minutes of this season!)<img src="http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8450/417462493zu.jpg" border="0" />We Got 'em!

Sheeplovr

05-23-2006, 05:04 AM

bluetooth mafia guys are conected to season 2 and the video game if
thats who your talking about im not sure who your talking about those
guys who were like talkign with the president right?

Doctor Manhattan

05-23-2006, 05:20 AM

Sheeplovr wrote: bluetooth mafia guys are conected to season 2 and the video game if thats who your talking about im not sure who your talking about those guys who were like talkign with the president right? The Bluetooth Mafia = The guys with the Boothtooth Headsets who were calling Logan and seemed to be in charge of something bigger than the PresidencyOh yeah, the Video Game is in between Season 2 and 3 (When Kim was working at CTU?)What is their conneo ction in Season 2?

This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 5-23-06 @ 9:23 AM

Furtherman

05-23-2006, 06:35 AM

The first 20 minutes of last night's finale was the best 20 minutes of 24 ever.  I was glad that the petty officer who survived the attack survived... not many who team up with Jack do.  The real payoff was Jack offing Henderson.  "They were friends of mine!"  Awesome.I thought this season would be about the Chinese but shortly after it started I forgot all about them until (I saw that too Tall James!) the Chinese eyes through the ski masks at the end.  Brilliant.  Love this show.  But where the hell did Chloe get an ex-husband?!  Did I miss something or did that guy just drop out of the sky?  I'm hoping for a special-ops raid next year... led by ex-secret service, now working for CTU man, Aaron!

Doctor Manhattan

05-23-2006, 10:34 AM

I was also happy to see petty officer Rooney survive.So it was an eventful finale but I still don't get something. Aside from who the Boothtooth men were: What was the overall plan all about? Palmer was killed because he knew what Logan was up to, what was he really up to? why was the Terrorism with the Nerve Gas set in motion? Was it because of the deal with the Russians that Logan was all about at the beginning of the season? What was going on?

HBox

05-23-2006, 10:52 AM

Logan's plot was to make himself look like a hero and simultaneously give himself more ability to strike back at terrorists.Here's a thought: I think Logan or the Bluetooth guys had tipped the Chinese off that Bauer was alive and were going to leave them to clean up that loose end.

Furtherman

05-23-2006, 10:53 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: I was also happy to see petty officer Rooney survive.So it was an eventful finale but I still don't get something. Aside from who the Boothtooth men were: What was the overall plan all about? Palmer was killed because he knew what Logan was up to, what was he really up to? why was the Terrorism with the Nerve Gas set in motion? Was it because of the deal with the Russians that Logan was all about at the beginning of the season? What was going on?I don't think there is anything more to Logan's role.  He OK'd the sale of the nerve gas to blame the terrorists and move into Asia to "fight" them while securing the oil fields.  The Bluetooth guys set up that plan - they are probably some kind of Big Oil Bad Guy group.  But they'll most likely be back, and after Jack, when he gets out of China.

Tall_James

05-23-2006, 10:56 AM

HBox wrote: Here's a thought: I think Logan or the Bluetooth guys had tipped the Chinese off that Bauer was alive and were going to leave them to clean up that loose end.I thought the same thing.

Doctor Manhattan

05-24-2006, 04:47 AM

HBox wrote: Bluetooth guys  <img src="http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4692/tobiasthebluetoothsm8pk.jpg" border="0" />

EliSnow

05-24-2006, 05:23 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: So did I miss any more information on the Bluetooth Mafia? I know Logan called them to let them know Robocop was dead (and the leader of the "BTM" was one of the guys who shot his hand off before he became Robocop!) but did anyone find out anything more about them? Are they going to come back to them at the very end of next season (like the Chinese not being a factor until the last 5 minutes of this season!)  Not sure if anyone else answered this, but I think that the point about the first part of the conversation between Buchanan and Homeland Security woman ("HSW") at the end was to explain what would happen to the Bluetooth Mafia.   HSW said that the President would name names and in return would seek clemency.  Bill said he doesn't deserve clemency, and HSW said that she agreed, but that the country doesn't deserve a long impeachment etc.  So by that conversation we can infer that the Logan dimes out the Bluetooth Mafia.

This message was edited by EliSnow on 5-24-06 @ 9:26 AM

EliSnow

05-24-2006, 05:25 AM

Tall_James wrote: HBox wrote: Here's a thought: I think Logan or the Bluetooth guys had tipped the Chinese off that Bauer was alive and were going to leave them to clean up that loose end.I thought the same thing.  Logan tipped the Chinese off.  In the last conversation between Bluetooth and Logan, Bluetooth guy #1 asked what the President was going to do about Bauer.  Logan said something to the effect that he's already worked out how to take care of Bauer.  Since we didn't see any other actions taken other than the Chinese kidnapping Bauer, we can assume that the Chinese taking Bauer was what Logan was referring to.

Jennitalia

05-24-2006, 05:35 AM

that's right...he said something to the effect that jack was a very disturbed man, and said something like he should be put into solitary confinement for a while....which is what the chinaman dude told the ctu guy they caught last year that's what his fate would be if he didn't 'fess up

Furtherman

05-25-2006, 08:42 AM

From TVGuide.com:24 Isn't Ordering Chinese <div /><div />Despite how Monday's season finale left off, the sixth season of Fox's 24 will not pick up with Jack Bauer riding a slow boat to China as a political prisoner. "I don’t think much of the story will take place in China," executive producer Howard Gordon tells the trade mag TV Week. "It's just an impractical thing given the real-time constraints, because it would take Jack 16 hours — three-quarters of the [season] — to get back to L.A." If Jack's imprisonment isn't the hook for 24's January '07 return, what is? Howard shared no details, noting, "I just started writing the first [episode] this morning" — meaning only two or three main characters have been killed thus far. 

This message was edited by Furtherman on 5-25-06 @ 12:43 PM

Doctor Manhattan

05-25-2006, 09:05 AM

They'll probably start the next season off with Jack escaping prison or something. They can't just have him working at CTU or DOD next season without some kind of explanation?Maybe his escape from China could be the 24 movie.

JustJon

05-25-2006, 09:42 AM

But there's no way to have a movie out by January.  24 is most likely going to be a summer movie, when all the big actioners come out.

Furtherman

06-08-2006, 11:40 AM

Fox Moving Forward with 24 Feature <div>Source: Variety </div><div>June 8, 2006</div> <div>The clock is officially ticking down toward a 24 feature film, reports Variety. Twentieth Century Fox has closed a deal with series creators Robert Cochran and Joel Surnow, as well as showrunner Howard Gordon, to bring the Kiefer Sutherland real-time thriller to the big screen. Surnow and Cochran will write the script, with Gordon working on the story. All three will produce via their Real Time Productions, as will Imagine's Brian Grazer. No talent deals are yet in place, though Sutherland -- an executive producer of the hit Fox series -- has made it clear he's interested in starring in the film should it snag a greenlight. Cochran, Surnow and Gordon will begin work on the script late this summer, just as production on the sixth season of the TV series gets under way. Executives at 20th should have a draft of the script in their hands by early winter. Once they see the script -- and look at ratings for the first few episodes of season six, which kicks off in January -- they'll be able to make a decision on greenlighting production of the film. Under the most optimistic scenario, the feature would be greenlit early next year and film next spring and summer during the hiatus between season six and a likely seventh season of 24. Current plan calls for the 24 feature to abandon the real-time conceit of the TV show, making Sutherland's Jack Bauer, rather than the clock, the star. </div>