Impact Wrestling Discussion

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Jeff Jarrett has been taken off of TV indefinitely for what is reportedly "vacation time." However, it could do with two things. The first one being the alleged rumor that he is now with Kurt Angle's ex-wife and is causing a lot of problems because of it, or it could be that the critical response to last night's PPV was so bad that Dixie Carter is thinking of finally making the right changes in the creative team.

Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

While it has been labeled as a "personal leave", Dixie Carter ordered Jeff Jarrett to go home following the mysterious call on the Bubba the Love Sponge Show that stated that Jarrett and Karen Angle were now together.

Kurt Angle has been saying backstage that he will not sign a new contract with Jarrett in creative power, and also stated that he will end up with booking control of the company. Most of the wrestlers are siding with Angle in this situation, aside from the people who are close to Jarrett personally.

Personally I have no idea what kind of show Angle would book but I'm sure it would be better than anything they're doing now.

[cougarjake13]

Jeff Jarrett has been taken off of TV indefinitely for what is reportedly "vacation time." However, it could do with two things. The first one being the alleged rumor that he is now with Kurt Angle's ex-wife and is causing a lot of problems because of it, or it could be that the critical response to last night's PPV was so bad that Dixie Carter is thinking of finally making the right changes in the creative team.



Personally I have no idea what kind of show Angle would book but I'm sure it would be better than anything they're doing now.

yeh i heard the call and wasnt sure if i should believe or not


guess it was credible

thats fucked up of jarrett though

[conman823]

Jeff Jarrett has been taken off of TV indefinitely for what is reportedly "vacation time." However, it could do with two things. The first one being the alleged rumor that he is now with Kurt Angle's ex-wife and is causing a lot of problems because of it, or it could be that the critical response to last night's PPV was so bad that Dixie Carter is thinking of finally making the right changes in the creative team.



Personally I have no idea what kind of show Angle would book but I'm sure it would be better than anything they're doing now.

Wow, don't know what to make of this. Isn't Russo the other head growing out of Jarretts neck? Does this mean he will go too?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Nothing says TNA like title matches on free television with no purpose or buildup whatsoever.

[TripleSkeet]

Nothing says TNA like title matches on free television with no purpose or buildup whatsoever.

What match?

I watched it tonight and thats it. Its officially better then Raw. I dont give a fuck what anyone says, I judge wrestling strictly on how it entertains me and TNA entertains me which Raw has stopped doing.

I barely fast forwarded through anything tonight except for the girl matches. On Raw I fast forwarded through everything EXCEPT Santino.

[Dirtbag]

I barely fast forwarded through anything tonight except for the girl matches. On Raw I fast forwarded through everything EXCEPT Santino.
I haven't watched TNA in over a year, but when I was watching the women's matches were often the best on the show and their roster has only gotten better.

[TripleSkeet]

I haven't watched TNA in over a year, but when I was watching the women's matches were often the best on the show and their roster has only gotten better.

Im not a fan of women wrestling. I dont mind it sprinkled in here and there when the girls are really good, but for the most part I just think they should be valets and used for a little tits and ass then actually taking up wrestling match time.

Its sexist, I know. And Im cool with it.

[conman823]

I watched it tonight and thats it. Its officially better then Raw. I dont give a fuck what anyone says, I judge wrestling strictly on how it entertains me and TNA entertains me which Raw has stopped doing.

Im not a fan of women wrestling. I dont mind it sprinkled in here and there when the girls are really good, but for the most part I just think they should be valets and used for a little tits and ass then actually taking up wrestling match time.

Its sexist, I know. And Im cool with it.

Thank you!

Finally someone see's what I've been saying for 2 years now. TNA just entertains me more.

Please get into and give the Womans Division some fair viewing, its one of the best things about TNA.

I haven't watched RAW in so long, I think it was around WM time and I just FFWDed the whole thing.

[Dirtbag]

Im not a fan of women wrestling. I dont mind it sprinkled in here and there when the girls are really good, but for the most part I just think they should be valets and used for a little tits and ass then actually taking up wrestling match time.

Its sexist, I know. And Im cool with it.
99.99% of the time I agree. But TNA has done a really good job with them. Maybe its just more that Vince & Co. has no idea what to do with women than that they can't live up to the men. When women "wrestle" in WWE its usually two ex-models pulling each other's hair. Outside of the Awesome Kong squashes, TNA's women's matches are actual wrestling matches.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

A decision has been made within TNA to do almost all of the Pay Per View events out of the Impact Zone in Orlando, Fl as a cost saver. The rest of the company's PPV events in 2009 in August, September, November and December will be held in Orlando with the exception of Bound For Glory on October 18 which will be held in Irvine, CA.

The company will also be returning to taping television once every two weeks in August again after trying out a different formula in June and July taping four weeks of TV over the course of three days.

As expected, taping that much TV and spreading it out over four weeks caused many continuity problems.

[cougarjake13]

A decision has been made within TNA to do almost all of the Pay Per View events out of the Impact Zone in Orlando, Fl as a cost saver. The rest of the company's PPV events in 2009 in August, September, November and December will be held in Orlando with the exception of Bound For Glory on October 18 which will be held in Irvine, CA.

The company will also be returning to taping television once every two weeks in August again after trying out a different formula in June and July taping four weeks of TV over the course of three days.

As expected, taping that much TV and spreading it out over four weeks caused many continuity problems.

hadnt noticed that they did that

so what the hell were they doing the rest of the month ?? just chillaxing

[conman823]

A decision has been made within TNA to do almost all of the Pay Per View events out of the Impact Zone in Orlando, Fl as a cost saver. The rest of the company's PPV events in 2009 in August, September, November and December will be held in Orlando with the exception of Bound For Glory on October 18 which will be held in Irvine, CA.

The company will also be returning to taping television once every two weeks in August again after trying out a different formula in June and July taping four weeks of TV over the course of three days.

As expected, taping that much TV and spreading it out over four weeks caused many continuity problems.

With this there should be a reduction in the price of the PPV's as they will basically be glorified Impact episodes.

They should go back to the "Big 5" gimmick and stop with all this PPV over kill. Those 5 should be held in as large of venues they could find and it would allow for a lot more stoyline buildup.

[TripleSkeet]

A decision has been made within TNA to do almost all of the Pay Per View events out of the Impact Zone in Orlando, Fl as a cost saver. The rest of the company's PPV events in 2009 in August, September, November and December will be held in Orlando with the exception of Bound For Glory on October 18 which will be held in Irvine, CA.

The company will also be returning to taping television once every two weeks in August again after trying out a different formula in June and July taping four weeks of TV over the course of three days.

As expected, taping that much TV and spreading it out over four weeks caused many continuity problems.

Huge mistake. The thing holding them back is that fucking stupid Impact Zone. They need to get out there to actual wrestling fans, not tourists looking to get out of the heat.

Of course that easy schedule is what lures many wrestlers away from the WWE.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

You wanna save your budget?
-Scale back on the Impact Zone so it doesn't look like the inside of a pinball machine and make the soundstage into an arena with full seating.

-Keep an entrance area but darken the seating areas and take out the laser lights.

-Dress up the entrance area with a different theme every PPV (which I believe should be six, one every two months) so that your highlight footage doesn't look the same each time and the PPV's have an identity.

And while you're at it, Dixie Carter...
- Buy out Jeff Jarrett's stake in the company
- Fire his lackey's and Jeff Jarrett
- Give booking power to Kurt Angle and Jim Cornette
- Don't spend any money on wrestlers who don't need to be there when you've got a talented roster already (I'm looking at you, Nash, Steiner, Sting, and Booker T)
- Replace Don West with Taz or Mick Foley and put West backstage as a pitchman for merchandise
- Replace Mike Tenay with someone like Tony Schiavone, Scott Hudson, Kriss Kloss or even Jeremy Borash, and put Tenay in a interview vignette position
- Don't have interviewers involved in storylines or be objective
- Have a mid-card title that actually makes sense (Legends title? Seriously?)
- Invest in scouting talents at independent shows like Dragon Gate USA, NECW, NWA Anarchy, etc.
- Stop focusing on gimmicks and put emphasis on the identity of your wrestlers

[TripleSkeet]

You wanna save your budget?
-Scale back on the Impact Zone so it doesn't look like the inside of a pinball machine and make the soundstage into an arena with full seating.

-Keep an entrance area but darken the seating areas and take out the laser lights.

-Dress up the entrance area with a different theme every PPV (which I believe should be six, one every two months) so that your highlight footage doesn't look the same each time and the PPV's have an identity.

And while you're at it, Dixie Carter...
- Buy out Jeff Jarrett's stake in the company
- Fire his lackey's and Jeff Jarrett
- Give booking power to Kurt Angle and Jim Cornette
- Don't spend any money on wrestlers who don't need to be there when you've got a talented roster already (I'm looking at you, Nash, Steiner, Sting, and Booker T)
- Replace Don West with Taz or Mick Foley and put West backstage as a pitchman for merchandise
- Replace Mike Tenay with someone like Tony Schiavone, Scott Hudson, Kriss Kloss or even Jeremy Borash, and put Tenay in a interview vignette position
- Don't have interviewers involved in storylines or be objective
- Have a mid-card title that actually makes sense (Legends title? Seriously?)
- Invest in scouting talents at independent shows like Dragon Gate USA, NECW, NWA Anarchy, etc.
- Stop focusing on gimmicks and put emphasis on the identity of your wrestlers

I agree with most of this except:

- I think Sting and Booker T are still good and definitely entertaining. Booker T just cracks me the fuck up. Steiner and Nash however are dead weight
- I like Jeff Jarrett as a talent
- Jeremy Borash is even worse then Mike Tenay
- They HAVE to get out of the Impact Zone. Stick to booking smaller arenas around the country to have your shows, and keep the Impact Zone for maybe 1/3 of your total shows. TNA isnt big enough to fill a Wachovia Center, but they could definitely do well at a place like the Kimmel Center.

[Dirtbag]

I just want somebody to convince Nash to stay the fuck out of the ring. He was great a couple years ago mentoring the X-Division guys and being more-or-less comedy relief. He's an entertaining guy who doesn't come off forced when talking and has great timing, but even at his prime (which was probably 15 years ago) he was an average at best wrestler.

[cougarjake13]

they do tour but i guess all impact tapings occur at universal

maybe have a few impact tapings occur somewhere else, prefarably in wrestling hotbeds where you'll get a good crowd



and both the e and tna should have only ppvs



fucking e has god damn 14 !!! who the fuck is buying that

[conman823]

Who has a $700 a year PPV budget?

And even the most drooling window licking wrestling fan has got to realize that 10 of the 14 is just variants on the same Main Event.

Maybe some of these "changes" coming in TNA will be good for the business. As I've been saying from the jump, TNA needs to get away from the Russos and get more into what the fans want today.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Jeremy Borash confirmed on his Twitter that Traci Brooks posed for Playboy recently. It's about time.

[cougarjake13]

Jeremy Borash confirmed on his Twitter that Traci Brooks posed for Playboy recently. It's about time.

awesome new batch material

[cougarjake13]

looks like tna knockouts are relacing the wwe divas





"A TNA Knockout has posed for Playboy."

Those were the words of TNA Wrestling's Jeremy Borash late Saturday Night on his Twitter account.

His confirmation came less than two hours after word of a deal between TNA and Playboy leaked onto the Internet.



Until last year it was the WWE Divas who were notorious for posing for the gentleman's magazine.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Jeremy Borash posted the following on his Twitter page regarding former WWE star Elijah Burke: "Elijah Burke" will not be in TNA. The quotes around the name "Elijah Burke" have me to believe that he has in fact been signed but will be under a different name.

[cougarjake13]

Jeremy Borash posted the following on his Twitter page regarding former WWE star Elijah Burke: "Elijah Burke" will not be in TNA. The quotes around the name "Elijah Burke" have me to believe that he has in fact been signed but will be under a different name.

totally forgot that he wasnt in the e anymore

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I'll give you one good guess who came up with this storyline:

Prior to Sunday's Victory Road pay-per-view, The Sun reported that a source backstage told them that Madison Rayne would become a "whore" on the show.

As seen during the broadcast, Angelina Love regained the TNA Women's Knockout Championship despite Tara putting her foot on the rope. Referee Mark "Slick" Johnson admitted to blowing the call, but said he couldn't change the ruling. However, he said he would make it up to her by going to Jim Cornette to campaign for a rematch. Later in the show, a segment aired showing Lauren in the women's locker room waiting to interview Tara, but Johnson came out of the shower area instead, putting on his shirt. A fully clothed Rayne then came out of the same shower area with the implication that she was doing sexual favors for him. She then warned Lauren to mind her own business and keep her mouth shut.

In case you missed it, you can see the shower segment in its entirety at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM8wSxMshQ4

Seriously?

[Section 8]

Some things I agree and disagree with what has been posted on "Fixing" TNA

If Tony Schiavone gets the announcer gig, we'll still hear the same old shit from his WCW days, "This is the greatest night in the history of professional wrestling!" He sucks...

I agree with West getting the Heave Ho, maybe let him go and fill Billy Mays' spot on "Pitchmen" or something, just get him off of TNA tv.

Pair up Tenay with Foley.

Lose the six sided ring...

I agree on making the Impact Zone like a regular arena and keep only the pyro and regular spotlights.


I agree with this one too - Dress up the entrance area with a different theme every PPV (which I believe should be six, one every two months) so that your highlight footage doesn't look the same each time and the PPV's have an identity. The only thing is that I would definitely drop the amount of PPV's to 6 to save on costs.

They do send out scouts to indy shows, as we have had TNA scouts at some of our larger shows.

Drop the legends title or have parameters on who qualifies as a "legend" (over age 40, been in the business for at least 15 years, has held at least 1 major championship)

I don't put the whole Jeff/Karen thing on any one person. It's like firing Matt Hardy for the Lita/Edge thing. What happened, happened. It's not like Kurt was faithful to her for his entire career.

If you must do something to Jarrett, remove him from booking and have him just wrestle, it would be less stress on him mentally and he'd be with his family more.

If you remove Jarrett from booking, give it to Cornette.

If he's not fired already, fire Vince Russo... Let Cornette book shows and let the wrestlers do the rest, no scripted promos, no stupid gimmicks, just good wrestling

Bring in new talent and phase out some of the older, more expensive workers.

[3Setsof10]

Jeremy Borash confirmed on his Twitter that Traci Brooks posed for Playboy recently. It's about time.

Jesus Christ, she is flat out fucking nasty at this point

[SpicyMcHaggis]

More updates on the Jeff Jarrett situation and changes in creative staff.

- Reports online are saying that Dutch Mantel, one of Jarrett's boys and one of the reasons you see what you see on TNA TV, has been let go. Savio Vega has been let go as well, another one who worked close with Jarrett.

- According to TNAWrestlingNews.com:
The TNA releases of Dutch Mantel and road agent Savio Vega are said to be no coincidence as Mantel and Vega were both considered allies of Jeff Jarrett. While nothing official has been announced regarding Jarrett's role with TNA, many feel he would be stripped of all power if he were brought back.

[Heather 8]

If you must do something to Jarrett, remove him from booking and have him just wrestle, it would be less stress on him mentally and he'd be with Kurt's family more.


FTFY

[TripleSkeet]

This weeks TNA was really good. They are really developing alot of wrestlers and switching up the main event scene alot. I love it. Reminds me alot of how WWF used to be when it was good.

P.S.
I love when Jay Lethal refers to everyone using 80's wrestlers. ANDRE.....ANDRE!!!

[conman823]

This weeks TNA was really good. They are really developing alot of wrestlers and switching up the main event scene alot. I love it. Reminds me alot of how WWF used to be when it was good.

P.S.
I love when Jay Lethal refers to everyone using 80's wrestlers. ANDRE.....ANDRE!!!

I agree, the Jay Lethal ANDRE! scream was the best thing of the whole show.I started getting tired of his Macho Man rip off, but then they just made it the goof it should have been.

MCM= The Rockers
Abyss= Andre the Giant

and he also refered to someone as Snake Man once but I forgot who.


The only gripe I had was, How many stables are we gonna have here? It's really walking the line that ruined the nWo and ultimately WCW toward the end.

But the management changes MIGHT save it from the same fate.

[TripleSkeet]

I agree, the Jay Lethal ANDRE! scream was the best thing of the whole show.I started getting tired of his Macho Man rip off, but then they just made it the goof it should have been.

MCM= The Rockers
Abyss= Andre the Giant

and he also refered to someone as Snake Man once but I forgot who.


The only gripe I had was, How many stables are we gonna have here? It's really walking the line that ruined the nWo and ultimately WCW toward the end.

But the management changes MIGHT save it from the same fate.

Theres nothing wrong with alot of stables if you use them right. Short term term programs to develop an overall angle. WWF did that during the Attitude Era with:

- The Corporation
- The Ministry of Darkness
- The Union
- DX
- The Brood

The way they used those to create the overall angle was just brilliant. Hopefully TNA follows suit.

[conman823]

Part of that overall angle was the "Corporate Ministry" which was probably the worst stable in Wrestling History.

[cougarjake13]

why doesnt tna's website have any of the title histories ??

[TripleSkeet]

Part of that overall angle was the "Corporate Ministry" which was probably the worst stable in Wrestling History.

I liked the Corporate Ministry.

[Boogie in Va]

What a champ.

"KURT ANGLE BUSTED WITH HGH"

http://withleather.uproxx.com/2009/08/kurt-angle-busted-with-hghsort-of

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Taz replaced Don West on commentary according to last night's spoilers.

[conman823]

Taz replaced Don West on commentary according to last night's spoilers.

Thank Christ!

[TjM]

TNA inks new 3 year deal with spike

http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=36684

[cougarjake13]

Taz replaced Don West on commentary according to last night's spoilers.

TNA inks new 3 year deal with spike

http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=36684




both great news

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Having Taz on commentary made a world of difference last night. The show was a bit more tolerable to watch. The addition of the Knockout's Tag Team Championship should be interesting. I don't think that the IWGP Tag Team Championship needs to be recognized in TNA, though. One tag team title for each gender is enough. Remember when WCW tried doing the Cruiserweight Tag Team Division? Also, Homicide and Samoa Joe could have had the same match without it being a title match. I don't like that so many title matches are given away on free television. Also, Bobby Lashley, if he's not fighting in TNA, what is he doing there?

The show is making progress. There seems to finally be a bit more of the "passing of the torch" theme coming into play with Abyss being Foley's new protege and Sting making sure that AJ is the top star of TNA. I'm interested as to what Dixie Carter will be doing at the next Impact as I haven't read the spoilers for that one yet.

[TiknoZero]

Having Taz on commentary made a world of difference last night. The show was a bit more tolerable to watch. The addition of the Knockout's Tag Team Championship should be interesting. I don't think that the IWGP Tag Team Championship needs to be recognized in TNA, though. One tag team title for each gender is enough. Remember when WCW tried doing the Cruiserweight Tag Team Division? Also, Homicide and Samoa Joe could have had the same match without it being a title match. I don't like that so many title matches are given away on free television. Also, Bobby Lashley, if he's not fighting in TNA, what is he doing there?

The show is making progress. There seems to finally be a bit more of the "passing of the torch" theme coming into play with Abyss being Foley's new protege and Sting making sure that AJ is the top star of TNA. I'm interested as to what Dixie Carter will be doing at the next Impact as I haven't read the spoilers for that one yet.

Yeah, at least their females can actually wrestle. The E has 2 female titles & rarely has a good match. I am a bit interested on seeing how this tag team thing works out.

I always liked AJ for some reason. I was VERY happy when they stopped the thing with him being Angle's goon.

I don't know who to thank, but THANK THEM for Taz!!!!! It was kinda funny how he kept calling "Brother Ray" "Bubba" too.

[conman823]

Bobby Lashley is just draining funds that could be better used elsewhere.

I'm just waiting for the "Self Distruction of Kurt Angle" then I want to see where the writing goes.

Any word yet on Russo getting removed?

[MIKEYDAKEN]

does anyone know who suicide is now? i was watching this morning and he was pulling some RVDesuqe moves. here's hoping they quietly signed him.

[epo]

does anyone know who suicide is now? i was watching this morning and he was pulling some RVDesuqe moves. here's hoping they quietly signed him.

Wasn't Kaz suicide?

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Wasn't Kaz suicide?

yes at first but he got hurt and chris dainels took over but i don't know if he healed up.

[Chimee]

Yeah, once Daniels made his return, it was Kaz again with the exception of one PPV where Daniels wrestled twice.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

damn then kaz has bit of rvd's style hope to see him without this gimmick soon then.

[cougarjake13]

im totally in love with daphne


shes like a 10x hotter version of lita




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[cougarjake13]

i was also wondering what happened to angie love of the beautiful people
they completely removed her from the tna site

wiki says it was due to visa issues so they released her

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Yeah, they fucked up royally with that. TNA could get in trouble for it so they just released her.

[conman823]

It's a damn shame too because the Beautiful People were a major part of my TNA Impact enjoyment every week.

Hopefully she gets it cleared up and it right back in the fold. God help her if she goes to WWE.


-Also Taz continues to make the show more watchable.

- MEM has been toned down a lot these past couple of weeks.

-Oh and please don't hire Ken Anderson, he's really a tired act already.

[cougarjake13]

well they could continue it with madison rayne and the other chick

[conman823]

TNA continues to grow as a product each week. The recent changes made by Dixie Carter (supposedly by prompting from Angle) have seemed to only improve things.

My scale of improvement is based on the "How much do I FFD through" factor. This past week I didn't FFD through ANY of it.

Back on RAW I watched 13 minutes of Bob Barkers Pricing Game and changed the channel. Now I don't care what happened between minute 13 and the end of the show, if you can't hold me from the jump then I'm not a "Rating". BTW, I saw the end of RAW and it was the same ending I saw last time I watched in in 2007, great job Vince.

If you are not watching TNA at this point you are missing out.

[cougarjake13]

TNA continues to grow as a product each week. The recent changes made by Dixie Carter (supposedly by prompting from Angle) have seemed to only improve things.

My scale of improvement is based on the "How much do I FFD through" factor. This past week I didn't FFD through ANY of it.

Back on RAW I watched 13 minutes of Bob Barkers Pricing Game and changed the channel. Now I don't care what happened between minute 13 and the end of the show, if you can't hold me from the jump then I'm not a "Rating". BTW, I saw the end of RAW and it was the same ending I saw last time I watched in in 2007, great job Vince.

If you are not watching TNA at this point you are missing out.


tna is all i watch now

[SpicyMcHaggis]

From TNAWrestlingNews.com:

According to sources, TNA's recent releases of Jim Cornette, Brian James, Savio Vega, and Dutch Mantel were all done as part of a larger plan to eliminate those in the company who were closest to Jeff Jarrett.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/tracibrooks/1.shtml

Enjoy.

[cougarjake13]

very nice


but the pop ups were brutal

[3Setsof10]

Yikes

She's a nice girl but has no business being anywhere near a Playboy shoot

[cougarjake13]

is there some reason tna doesnt have title histories on their site ??

[cougarjake13]

wow

they gave aj the heavyweight title back

[conman823]

wow

they gave aj the heavyweight title back

The direction TNA is taking is really paying off. It seems like they have found the right balance of "Ex-WWE stars" and original talent.

Taking the belt off of Angle give him the opportunity to work with younger guys, and maybe even do a job or two.

Who can't love Taz? He has brought the term "Yam-Bag" to TNA commentary.

I for one am definately hoping for another 1 hour show during the week, or at least some TV specials (ala SNME).

Next thing they have to go for is some Impact live shows at different arenas to keep the crowds fresh.

[cougarjake13]

tazz was a great addition

thought theyd never get rid of tenay

[Dirtbag]

tazz was a great addition

thought theyd never get rid of tenay

They got rid of Tenay? So who's doing PBP with Taz?

[cougarjake13]

They got rid of Tenay? So who's doing PBP with Taz?

my bad i meant west

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Bound For Glory's lineup so far has shown me that TNA is building it's product around several individuals.

- AJ Styles as Heavyweight Champion
- Samoa Joe
- Matt Morgan
- Abyss
- Hernandez

It'll be interesting to see if after the PPV if these five are seen as the cornerstones of the promotion and finally breakthrough as TNA stars and the ones who make up the TNA identity.

[CYYYFYYY]

My report card on how they are handling those guys

A.J Styles 9
Samoa Joe 6 1/2
MAt Morgan 8
Abyss 3
Hernandez 7 1/2

[SpicyMcHaggis]

If Abyss, Joe, Morgan, and Styles all win their matches I will be very surprised for the following reasons:

- Abyss over Foley seems like a passing of the torch for the hardcore icon of the promotion
- Samoa Joe getting a submission win over someone (Lashley) they are promoting as an MMA Fighter would be big and pave the way for a money feud
- Morgan winning against Angle would truly make him a credible contender for the main event scene
- AJ Styles winning and retaining the title would be a great credible win over Sting who for the past three Bound For Glory PPV's has won the World Title in the main event.

Meanwhile, the remainder of the Main Event Mafia is feuding with the World Elite. The X-Division is still getting a little bit lost in the shuffle but perhaps if Spike or another network were to pick up Xplosion and give that show to the X-Division, there'd be time for more credible matches and feuds.

[conman823]

Bound for Glory may be the first PPV I purchase from TNA. It would also be the first PPV dollar I have spent in about 5 years.

That dollar is not going to Vince McMahon, and HE should be afraid of that.

[TripleSkeet]

Bound for Glory may be the first PPV I purchase from TNA. It would also be the first PPV dollar I have spent in about 5 years.

That dollar is not going to Vince McMahon, and HE should be afraid of that.

If you saw the last WWE ppv youd find out youve been making the right move. The product was so bad Vince shouldve been charged with grand larceny.

From what Ive read now that Jarrett is out as far as booking goes, Dixie Carter wants to start building up the young guys like Morgan, AJ and Hernandez. Looks like they are doing a pretty good job.

But I dont see Lashley jobbing to Joe, not in his 2nd match back. Unless they let Joe cheat to get the win.

Eric Young is also doing a good job as leader of the World Elite.

They also have some pretty good comedic talent with the Motor City Machine Guns and Jay Lethal. At this point Lethal does a better Macho Man then the Macho Man.

They could really gain ground on the WWE if they would just start touring Impact and making building their fanbase. The crowd is the worst part about the show. It has all the energy of a warehouse full of tourists....which it is.

[cougarjake13]

well they do tour its just all the tapings are from orlando


could see like a double count out for lashley and joe or a great match ruined by multiple run ins

[TripleSkeet]

well they do tour its just all the tapings are from orlando


could see like a double count out for lashley and joe or a great match ruined by multiple run ins

They only tour for PPV's though right? They need to tour for their Impact tapings. Seeing people that have no idea what they are watching holding signs that were made for them by the company is just weak.

[conman823]

They say its because of the budget, but thats a double edged sword. Touring would also sell a lot more Merch.


Before they sign a big contract to some WWE guy they sould think about touring. Or just shit can Lashley and use the $ they pay him.

Either way they can't hide in that "studio" for ever. To be taken seriously they need to be progressing upward.

Also all the taping is a budget move, but it leaks 3 weeks worth of TV to the Internet. I stay away from it, but its out there and hurting

[conman823]

Just got done watching the 3 hour Super Impact (to hype Bound for Glory):

The 3 hours basically showcased exactly how far the company has grown. The BFG card is actually PPV caliber and worth a buy.

They have made Mick Foley interesting too me again, which I never thought could happen. He melds well with Stevie Richards and Daffney. Not really a stable, but you "get it". Also Heel Foley much better than Face Foley.

If you didn't see AJ Styles and Kurt Angle but on a 20 minute expo then you haven't seen the match of the year yet. Also the "Time Limit Draw" was much better then another tired run in. All that match needed was a clean 1-2-3, but thats not for TV. Seriously watch that match and show me ANYTHING WWE has done this year to rival it.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

So tomorrow night is going to be a landmark night for TNA. Let's hope that if everything goes great, the creative team will take that momentum and treat their breakout stars of the night the right way and finally create the TNA identity around them.

[TripleSkeet]

Just got done watching the 3 hour Super Impact (to hype Bound for Glory):

The 3 hours basically showcased exactly how far the company has grown. The BFG card is actually PPV caliber and worth a buy.

They have made Mick Foley interesting too me again, which I never thought could happen. He melds well with Stevie Richards and Daffney. Not really a stable, but you "get it". Also Heel Foley much better than Face Foley.

If you didn't see AJ Styles and Kurt Angle but on a 20 minute expo then you haven't seen the match of the year yet. Also the "Time Limit Draw" was much better then another tired run in. All that match needed was a clean 1-2-3, but thats not for TV. Seriously watch that match and show me ANYTHING WWE has done this year to rival it.

I couldnt agree more. I cant believe how much of a better show they put on compared to Raw these days.

I loved the old school "time limit draw" while Angle had him in the anklelock. I also love that they mix and match their feuds with other superstars so its not the same guys fighting each other week after week after week. Stevie Richards in the Foley / Abyss feud and Eric Young in the Main Event Mafia feud are just quick examples of this.

Not sure how hell do overall, but I liked Don Wests first outing as a manager for a kid that cant talk on the mic.

[CYYYFYYY]

I must admit I disliked TNA for a long time. So I watched it just once or twice a month. I am not enjoying it ALOT. Very well done. There are still some things I don;t like but it is definatley good now

[TripleSkeet]

I must admit I disliked TNA for a long time. So I watched it just once or twice a month. I am not enjoying it ALOT. Very well done. There are still some things I don;t like but it is definatley good now

Do you mean you ARE enjoying it alot?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

The PPV last night was okay. A few botched finishes and hokey use of special effects during a hardcore match could have made Abyss and Foley better. The submission finish was a bit weak being that Lashley hadn't used that hold at any previous point in the match. The X-Division match was very exciting to watch. Morgan and Angle put on a hell of a match and it'll be interesting to see where it goes from there between them. Glad to see AJ retain. Hopefully Sting is retired for real this time or at least they give him the Ric Flair treatment. Looks like Booker T was written off with the stretcher angle and Scott Steiner worked a renewal deal because he worked awesomely and what a great Frankensteiner. Crowd was appreciative of good wrestling which made the show itself seem important rather than having it in front of the same TV studio all the time.

[TripleSkeet]

The PPV last night was okay. A few botched finishes and hokey use of special effects during a hardcore match could have made Abyss and Foley better. The submission finish was a bit weak being that Lashley hadn't used that hold at any previous point in the match. The X-Division match was very exciting to watch. Morgan and Angle put on a hell of a match and it'll be interesting to see where it goes from there between them. Glad to see AJ retain. Hopefully Sting is retired for real this time or at least they give him the Ric Flair treatment. Looks like Booker T was written off with the stretcher angle and Scott Steiner worked a renewal deal because he worked awesomely and what a great Frankensteiner. Crowd was appreciative of good wrestling which made the show itself seem important rather than having it in front of the same TV studio all the time.

I missed it. The price you pay for NLCS tickets. Sounds good though. Was Stings match a retirement match? I didnt even know that.

[conman823]

I missed it. The price you pay for NLCS tickets. Sounds good though. Was Stings match a retirement match? I didnt even know that.

It was set up that way, but I don't think he was serious. I also believe it was his first loss ever at a Bound for Glory.

I'm thinking he was setting up for some reduced schedule or time off.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Nigel McGuinness signed with TNA and debuted at the tapings tonight attacking Kurt Angle with a Tower of London finisher. His new ring name will be Desmond Wolf.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Nigel McGuinness signed with TNA and debuted at the tapings tonight attacking Kurt Angle with a Tower of London finisher. His new ring name will be Desmond Wolf.

think this is what will make vince take them as a threat?

[TripleSkeet]

think this is what will make vince take them as a threat?

Vince McMahon wouldnt take them seriously as a threat until they not only went head to head with one of his shows, but beat them in the ratings.

Doesnt change the fact they are putting out a better product then anything Vince has been doing lately.

[conman823]

Vince McMahon wouldnt take them seriously as a threat until they not only went head to head with one of his shows, but beat them in the ratings.

Doesnt change the fact they are putting out a better product then anything Vince has been doing lately.

Sadly the numbers need to move up first.

According to 411mania the 3 hour Impact did a total 0.83. Thats on par with what WWE Superstars pulls in weekly.

Although several factors contribute to the overall number, 3 hour shows tend to trend low due to Audiences tuning out as the night progresses, also it had no Quartly breakdown which would show if the show started srong and ended weak or vice-versa.

Slow and steady may bring them up at some point, but for now I feel as if they should be looking at doing some LIVE Impacts at different venues.

Also they should work with ROH, as WWF did with ECW. Crossover works and gains fan interest. The "buzz" is low also, if you don't look for TNA you wouldn't know where it is on the dial. They cannot take away the kiddie audience from WWE, but they need to appeal to 18-35 strong.

[conman823]

Nigel McGuinness signed with TNA and debuted at the tapings tonight attacking Kurt Angle with a Tower of London finisher. His new ring name will be Desmond Wolf.

I don't see where this is going. Are we turning the MEM face?

Also Young beat Nash with a low blow finish. I for one cannot subscribe to a face MEM.

[TripleSkeet]

Sadly the numbers need to move up first.

According to 411mania the 3 hour Impact did a total 0.83. Thats on par with what WWE Superstars pulls in weekly.

Although several factors contribute to the overall number, 3 hour shows tend to trend low due to Audiences tuning out as the night progresses, also it had no Quartly breakdown which would show if the show started srong and ended weak or vice-versa.

Slow and steady may bring them up at some point, but for now I feel as if they should be looking at doing some LIVE Impacts at different venues.

Also they should work with ROH, as WWF did with ECW. Crossover works and gains fan interest. The "buzz" is low also, if you don't look for TNA you wouldn't know where it is on the dial. They cannot take away the kiddie audience from WWE, but they need to appeal to 18-35 strong.

I agree completely. Not sure how a collaboration with ROH would go over though as they dont have nearly the following ECW did at the time Vince McMahon gave them a shot. But I have no problem with them shaking things up with new young talent.

The live Impact Tapings are the biggest part they need to change.

Finally watched this weeks Raw. Pitiful.While I like the Jericho DX feud, and love the fact that Dibiase got over HUGE, the thing that annoyed me most is the fact that week after week I have to watch dumbed down programming because its kid oriented, just to watch Snoop Dogg drop all kinds of pot references. If youre gonna do that then just fucking allow the interesting adult geared programming too.

It was also nice to see Marty Jannetty again. Its funny, Ive been calling Miz that forever.

[conman823]

Really ECW was a regional promotion. Toward the end Heyman tried to push it National/Global but it failed.

We grew up in the North East so ECW was big in our backyard, but if you went to Arizona they had no F'N clue.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

After reading the recent spoilers for TNA, it seems as though they are finally taking the youth-focused talent initiative with their roster and finally centering their promotion around them. I really hope that this is the TNA of the future and that it'll grow and become better from this point on.

[TripleSkeet]

Really ECW was a regional promotion. Toward the end Heyman tried to push it National/Global but it failed.

We grew up in the North East so ECW was big in our backyard, but if you went to Arizona they had no F'N clue.

They actually had a few more areas besides the northeast where it was pretty well known. It was really big in South Florida for example, because it was on Sunshine Network down there.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I think the next move for them is taking this established TNA identified talent and touring the smaller 1000-seat venues for television tapings. Even though there weren't many at BFG, it sure looked packed and they could keep that up if they go to the smaller venues.

[whorehay]

Hogan better show up in TNA before he pulls a Michael Jackson "this is it" moment.
all hype, then out of nowhere... DEAD! before he's even started.

[Dirtbag]

Hogan better show up in TNA before he pulls a Michael Jackson "this is it" moment.
all hype, then out of nowhere... DEAD! before he's even started.

That would actually be the best thing that could happen.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

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I'm not sure how I feel about this. Good to see her taking a stance...but what if she's wrong?

[conman823]

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I'm not sure how I feel about this. Good to see her taking a stance...but what if she's wrong?

Oh boy, I guess she got some great feedback from the locker room on that Hogan Deal.

[TripleSkeet]

Oh boy, I guess she got some great feedback from the locker room on that Hogan Deal.

Thats exactly what that was right there. Personally I think thier concerns are justified, but not going to be anything to worry about.

I seriously doubt this woman is going to try and take her company to the next level by bringing in has been no talents like Brutus Beefcake and the Nasty Boys and giving them time over her real stars. I just dont see her being that stupid.

Shes what Vince McMahon and Ted Turner used to be. A private owner of a very entertaining wrestling company. Someone that doesnt have to answer to stockholders or corporate lawyers. Someone that can take chances, with a television station behind her, that can grow her company by catering to fans unhappy with the horseshit WWE is pedalling these days.

I just hope her moves pay off, because right now, she does have the most entertaining product out there.

[conman823]

Thats exactly what that was right there. Personally I think thier concerns are justified, but not going to be anything to worry about.

I seriously doubt this woman is going to try and take her company to the next level by bringing in has been no talents like Brutus Beefcake and the Nasty Boys and giving them time over her real stars. I just dont see her being that stupid.

Shes what Vince McMahon and Ted Turner used to be. A private owner of a very entertaining wrestling company. Someone that doesnt have to answer to stockholders or corporate lawyers. Someone that can take chances, with a television station behind her, that can grow her company by catering to fans unhappy with the horseshit WWE is pedalling these days.

I just hope her moves pay off, because right now, she does have the most entertaining product out there.

TNA makes me actually enjoy wrestling again. When I stopped watching RAW, some 3 years ago, I tuned to TNA for lack of anything else. I thought it was crap too back then, but being a life long fan and "Smark" I saw plenty of talent that needed to be focused.

Now that focus is there and I feel Hogan is just a cement block around the leg. Dixies speech was basically asking people to ride her train into, what might be, the mouth of Hell.

If nothing else this is Hogans chance to at least show that he actually still cares about the business. That his ultimate legacy won't be "I cashed the biggest checks and shit on anybody else who looked in my direction".

[TripleSkeet]

This weeks Impact was really good.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I do think that the speech was to put out some fires amongst the crew but it did come across a little bitchy. I understand she's got a clear direction for her product. She told Vince Russo, build me three headliners out of Matt Morgan, AJ Styles, and Hernandez, and so far, two out of three are doing damn well. She saw an opportunity to work with a big name to attract publicity who it seems genuinely wants to give back to the wrestling community by lending his name and the publicity that comes with that name.

Everyone's biggest fear from the moment of hearing the signing was probably, "When is Hogan going to start burying us?" Meanwhile, she also suspended Kevin Nash for his outburst during the taping where Chris Sabin got injured and cut a promo before he did his planned promo.

I'm interested to see where this goes.

[asayresk]

It would be great if they had Hogan job to everyone on the TNA roster.:tongue:

[asayresk]

Holy Shit, Jay lethal vs The Anvil!:ohmy:

[CYYYFYYY]

Yep The Anvil beat Lethal
Also LAshley destroyed Abyss
How can we respect TNA when any chance they get they have TNA guys job to ex WWE guys
On that note however TnA has gotten much better of late

[cougarjake13]

they made styles champ and not job to sting or angle

so they got that going for them which is nice

[TripleSkeet]

I thought they were going to have Lethal go over Anvil easily. Now Im kind of interested in where they are going by having him job to Neidhart. I dont think its a simple burial. The guy is fucking great. I cannot wait to see the first time he meets up with Hogan on screen.

[asayresk]

I thought they were going to have Lethal go over Anvil easily. Now Im kind of interested in where they are going by having him job to Neidhart. I dont think its a simple burial. The guy is fucking great. I cannot wait to see the first time he meets up with Hogan on screen.

The Mega Powers will unite! All joking aside, it would be great if they brought savage to tna.

[TripleSkeet]

The Mega Powers will unite! All joking aside, it would be great if they brought savage to tna.

When they announced Hogan that was the first thing Lethal mentioned in his promo, the Mega Powers. Too funny.

[CYYYFYYY]

IT would be great for Savage to join TNA???
Really?
Sheesh, I have no desire to see Savage or Hogan, for that matter I don;t wish to see Nash or Foley either. It is just sad that they just keep bring up stars from the 80's and people keep loving it

[TripleSkeet]

IT would be great for Savage to join TNA???
Really?
Sheesh, I have no desire to see Savage or Hogan, for that matter I don;t wish to see Nash or Foley either. It is just sad that they just keep bring up stars from the 80's and people keep loving it

Old as he was Savage could still put on a good match and cut a good promo. Hogans wrestling ability was gone long ago.

[asayresk]

IT would be great for Savage to join TNA???
Really?
Sheesh, I have no desire to see Savage or Hogan, for that matter I don;t wish to see Nash or Foley either. It is just sad that they just keep bring up stars from the 80's and people keep loving it

you are thinking full time, im thinking part time.

[hit11man]

id like to see savage. hogan, not so much

[CYYYFYYY]

I don;t like pay fer view wrastlers. Either do it full time, once or not at all

[SpicyMcHaggis]

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[TripleSkeet]

Tonight on UFC Hogan announced that Monday, January 4th TNA officially goes head-to-head with Raw. Awesome.

[cougarjake13]

Tonight on UFC Hogan announced that Monday, January 4th TNA officially goes head-to-head with Raw. Awesome.



was just coming to post that


it is indeed fucking awesome



also its gonna be live hopefully its every week and not just the first night

[cougarjake13]

looks like its only the one show


“TNA iMPACT!” will be going against “WWE Monday Raw” on USA Network, the first time two wrestling companies have broadcast live head-to-head since the “Monday Night Wars” in the late 1990’s between WWE and WCW. This “iMPACT!” special will broadcast live from the TNA iMPACT! Zone at Universal Studios in Orlando, Fl.

Hogan’s first appearance inside the six-sided ring of TNA Wrestling will follow weeks of speculation after Hogan and Carter announced their partnership on October 27 at Madison Square Garden in New York City. Hogan has hinted in various media interviews that he’ll have multiple surprises in store for TNA Wrestling fans.

“I knew when I signed with TNA, that it would be important to make a statement with the first episode. Going head-to-head on January 4th, makes the statement loud and clear: Game on!” Hogan said.

“TNA is kicking off 2010 in the biggest way possible with the biggest name in the history of our sport. Hulk Hogan is a pop culture icon, and his arrival will change not only TNA, but the entire professional wrestling landscape. We’re firing that first shot,” Carter said.

Joining Hogan for the three-hour live “iMPACT!” will be TNA World Heavyweight Champion “The Phenomenal” AJ Styles, Olympic Gold Medalist Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, Kevin Nash, “The Samoan Submission Machine” Samoa Joe, “The Boss” Bobby Lashley and “The Blueprint” Matt Morgan.

“TNA iMPACT!” will resume its normal timeslot on Thursday, January 7th at 9:00 PM ET/PT with an encore viewing of the live “iMPACT!” special.

[conman823]

From a business POV its a strong move. It forces Vince to think about them, then think about how to counter it with.........BETTER WRITING!

Rumor is Vince is gonna pull the Rock out of his hat to combat the TNA "non-threat". If he's not concerned then why use such a big draw?


It also forces the TNA talent to step up. Like it or not going up against RAW has got to be intimidating like hell if your in the Locker room, or on the Booking team. The good thing is TNA has people in place who have done it already. Hogan, Nash, Biscoff, Russo. Hell they are saying Double J is coming back.

I feel they should have booked a small venue in the Northeast to air a live show from. Hammerstein or something like that. It would be live, in a fresh venue, with rabid fans. More of a rating draw then Live from the tired bored Impact Zone.

They will be crushed in the ratings, but its great for fans to be able to switch back and forth again.

[TripleSkeet]

From a business POV its a strong move. It forces Vince to think about them, then think about how to counter it with.........BETTER WRITING!

Rumor is Vince is gonna pull the Rock out of his hat to combat the TNA "non-threat". If he's not concerned then why use such a big draw?


It also forces the TNA talent to step up. Like it or not going up against RAW has got to be intimidating like hell if your in the Locker room, or on the Booking team. The good thing is TNA has people in place who have done it already. Hogan, Nash, Biscoff, Russo. Hell they are saying Double J is coming back.

I feel they should have booked a small venue in the Northeast to air a live show from. Hammerstein or something like that. It would be live, in a fresh venue, with rabid fans. More of a rating draw then Live from the tired bored Impact Zone.

They will be crushed in the ratings, but its great for fans to be able to switch back and forth again.

I aint switching shit. Im watching TNA live and DVRing Raw. That last Raw was pathetic. They dont deserve my live viewing.

[Fallon]

Rumor is Vince is gonna pull the Rock out of his hat to combat the TNA "non-threat". If he's not concerned then why use such a big draw?

Well, the upcoming mega blockbuster Tooth Fairy movie comes out soon after that night, so it makes sense that he's gonna guest host.

[Chimee]

If Vince pulls Stone Cold or The Rock as a host that night, there's a chance I'd watch RAW. Live Impact has a lot of possibilities, so I'll go with that.

[midwestjeff]

Didn't TNA learn anything from WCW being crushed by the WWE?

I don't watch any of this stuff but it seems like a bad idea to go against Vince.

[lleeder]

I havent watched Raw in easily 2+ years and I might consider watching both of these shows that night. The Monday Night Wars were the best part of wrestling. Nothing good has happened since WCW fell.

[TripleSkeet]

Rumor has it if the WWE cant pull The Rock because of other promo commitments for the Tooth Fairy, they wont be able to get him again til March.

[whorehay]

Who are we kidding? Raw doesnt need the Rock to beat TNA.

Vince should really rub it in and get Dustin "Screech" Diamond to host that night. They'll still pull in twice as many viewers.

[TripleSkeet]

Who are we kidding? Raw doesnt need the Rock to beat TNA.

Vince should really rub it in and get Dustin "Screech" Diamond to host that night. They'll still pull in twice as many viewers.

Well duh. Of course the established show is going to beat the new one. The thing is, if TNA does well, and Spike has the balls to move it to Mondays permanently, how long before WWE fans start realizing its ten times better then what they are getting from Raw?

[Dirtbag]

I'm not sure how many WWE fans even know TNA exists, let alone would give up watching their hero John Cena for AJ Styles and Kurt Angle. Hogan will be a short term ratings bump at best and people are not gonna tune in to see him long term. Going head to head with Raw is a death wish for TNA.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm not sure how many WWE fans even know TNA exists, let alone would give up watching their hero John Cena for AJ Styles and Kurt Angle. Hogan will be a short term ratings bump at best and people are not gonna tune in to see him long term. Going head to head with Raw is a death wish for TNA.

People said the same thing about WCW. Its not the same product anymore. TNA is wrestling for males age 15 - 40. WWE has turned into a product that caters to children and women. Being on Monday nights would attract the guys that watch WWE just because its wrestling. They may not know AJ Styles but they definitely would know guys like Angle, Foley, the Dudleys, Steiner, and Sting. That would be enough to get them to check it out, and eventually they would realize they were flipping back and forth less and less.

I dont know if you guys remember, but when Monday Nitro first started WWE was doing the same bullshit its doing now. It was the days of Doink the Clown and mid card jobbers with goofy gimmicks. Youd turn on Raw and see Farooq in a turquois gladiator outfit and stupid bullshit like that. People were ready to go elsewhere but there was nowhere to go. Nitro pops up, and people checked it out...little by little..until eventually it overtook the WWE and they were forced to start putting together great shows that didnt cater to 6 year olds in order to survive.

[conman823]

Didn't TNA learn anything from WCW being crushed by the WWE?

I don't watch any of this stuff but it seems like a bad idea to go against Vince.

Thats the revisionist History Vince tells these days. WCW imploded, its well documented outside of the "WWE Universe".

Vincent Kennedy McMahon was on the verge of complete financial collapse and only got a reprive because Biscoff dun lost his mind. Sprinkle in WCW's horrid contract terms, hiring Russo, and AOL/Time Warner Merger and thats why WCW Fell.

Who are we kidding? Raw doesnt need the Rock to beat TNA.

Vince should really rub it in and get Dustin "Screech" Diamond to host that night. They'll still pull in twice as many viewers.

As Skeet stated also, people said the same about WCW once apon a time. I don't think anyone can expect TNA to win that night. See my reasons above as to why its a good business move still.

As far as Screech goes, thats about the level of WWE Entertainment these days so it wouldn't shock me.

[Dirtbag]

I dont know if you guys remember, but when Monday Nitro first started WWE was doing the same bullshit its doing now. It was the days of Doink the Clown and mid card jobbers with goofy gimmicks. Youd turn on Raw and see Farooq in a turquois gladiator outfit and stupid bullshit like that. People were ready to go elsewhere but there was nowhere to go. Nitro pops up, and people checked it out...little by little..until eventually it overtook the WWE and they were forced to start putting together great shows that didnt cater to 6 year olds in order to survive.

The only problem is TNA doesn't have Ted Turner's deep pockets to keep it afloat during the initial ass kicking it's going to receive. By the time all the "smart" fans are sick of WWE TNA may not exist anymore.

[asayresk]

The only problem is TNA doesn't have Ted Turner's deep pockets to keep it afloat during the initial ass kicking it's going to receive. By the time all the "smart" fans are sick of WWE TNA may not exist anymore.

TNA is not on life support and you dont need deep pockets like ted turner to run a successful wrestling promotion. TNA already got the die hard wrestling fan. its only a matter of time when the casual wrestling fan will cacth on.

[Dirtbag]

TNA is not on life support and you dont need deep pockets like ted turner to run a successful wrestling promotion. TNA already got the die hard wrestling fan. its only a matter of time when the casual wrestling fan will cacth on.
It's not on life support now but without a solid, loyal fanbase going head to head with Raw it will be.

[TripleSkeet]

The only problem is TNA doesn't have Ted Turner's deep pockets to keep it afloat during the initial ass kicking it's going to receive. By the time all the "smart" fans are sick of WWE TNA may not exist anymore.

Heres the difference. TNA isnt trying to outspend WWE. They arent getting into bidding wars like WCW did. They arent overpaying veterans, and signing talent just to keep them away from Vince. They are building their brand and they are utilizing the talent they have.

TNA has alot to offer that WWE doesnt. An easier work schedule, more freedom in cutting promos and character development, and pushes for smaller wrestlers that cant get a break in WWE. Its not always about spending more cash.

Going head to head with Raw isnt going to hurt TNA. Because people that watch it arent going to abandon it for Raw. At least not with what Raw has been putting out lately. If anything they are going to snatch up all the people that have grown tired with the WWE and are looking for something new to watch on Monday nights. (Like myself)

[cougarjake13]

plus theyre only going head to head that one night then its back to thurs



basically i see this as them getting the word out there to wrestling fans who somehow dont know other feds exist outside of the E


then go back to thurs to continue improving the product and maybe down the road compete head to head full time

[TripleSkeet]

I cant believe they wasted 4 hours on just womens wrestling the other night. Ugh. It was like watching GLOW but not nearly as entertaining.

Hopefully that is the end of that dumb shit.

[cougarjake13]

I cant believe they wasted 4 hours on just womens wrestling the other night. Ugh. It was like watching GLOW but not nearly as entertaining.

Hopefully that is the end of that dumb shit.



yeh thankfully i only dvr'd the first 2 hours thinking the second 2 was just a repeat of the first

i dont hate womens wrestling but they just dont have the fluidity of moves that you see in mens matches, maybe its a training thing or they dont care what they look like out there

[TripleSkeet]

yeh thankfully i only dvr'd the first 2 hours thinking the second 2 was just a repeat of the first

i dont hate womens wrestling but they just dont have the fluidity of moves that you see in mens matches, maybe its a training thing or they dont care what they look like out there

I dont mind 1...maybe 2 womens matches over a 2-3 hour period. But to make 2 whole shows dedicated to that??? Really? I mean they broke it up with replays of matches from the last few weeks with Angle, Wolfe, Styles and Sting...but still. WAY too much womens wrestling for me.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

This is a report from a fan who listened in on Hulk's call in.

Hulk Hogan called into the Bubba the Love Sponge radio show this morning I did not catch the last part of the interview, but here is what I did hear:

He and Bubba talked about the Terrordome match and Hulk said that when he and Bubba were in the production meeting the day before, about 10 people said there was a decent door to the cage. He then got to the soundstage and found out it had no real door and that none of the wrestlers could climb out of the top, hence the DQ finish. There were plans for a big bump off the cage but it just was not possible. He and Bubba agreed that the Terrordome needs to be scraped for good.

About Jim Cornette: Bubba played Hulk some of the Who's Slamming Who podcast and Hulk said that he did not know Jim was so bitter. He said Jim has a good mind for the business and that he had plans for Jim to do something in TNA, but he does not need that negative attitude in there right now. Bubba made the comment that after the rating they got on Monday, Hulk needs to say what needs to be said and not be afraid to step on some toes.

About Mondays nights: Hulk says they have kinda dropped the ball by taping a Thursday show the day after going live and that right after he hangs up with Bubba he is gonna call Dixie Carter, Eric Bischoff and the people at Spike and tell them that they need to be on Mondays live from now on. He says he knows that it will cost a ton of money but you gotta spend money to make money. Hulk says that he will get Vince's audience a bit at a time just like he did in WCW.

Hulk Says he talked to Bob Carter and Bob made the comment that Hulk knew what he was doing and that they needed a bigger building.

Bubba said that they are working on a deal to make nice with the "Bubba Army" based on what happened on Monday with the tickets and it sounded like they wanna rent a big building and run a free taping with only the Bubba Army being let in.

It seems to me that if he wasn't taking his position seriously, he wouldn't have said what he said and probably would have just done business as usual, but he was honest and frank about things he liked and things he didn't. I'm curious as to where this goes for TNA.

[lleeder]

This is a report from a fan who listened in on Hulk's call in.



It seems to me that if he wasn't taking his position seriously, he wouldn't have said what he said and probably would have just done business as usual, but he was honest and frank about things he liked and things he didn't. I'm curious as to where this goes for TNA.

I cant believe this monday night thing actually made me watch wrestling again for the first time in 5yrs and listen to bubba to hear about how he got spit at.

[foodcourtdruide]

All I took from this was...

Bubba army?

[TripleSkeet]

All I took from this was...

Bubba army?

Yea, I saw that and got major douche chills. Hes the biggest problem on TNA right now. Not Tenay.

[Melk]

Yea, I saw that and got major douche chills. Hes the biggest problem on TNA right now. Not Tenay.
The biggest problem is that TNA is trying to use the WWE formula when the WWE formula doesn't work particularly well for the WWE. TNA needs to dump the backstage skits and keep the worked shoot personal stuff to an absolute minimum. One of the main reasons the nWo invasion of WCW worked so well in the 90s was because the WCW used the WWE's ridiculous "WCW is Full of Old People and We have the New Generation of Wrestlers" commercials against them. The TNA has some assetts, but the new fans don't know them all that well or don't know what they have been doing in TNA or WWE since they tuned out 9 years ago. The only people they can bring in now are 9 years older than they were when the WCW folded (and even then those wrestlers were pretty old).

Who can Hogan, Hall or Nash have a match with that could make the younger guy look good? I think the best thing they can do is push Samoa Joe. Joe can do the bigman spots with Hulk and go soft when necessary.

I think TNA could potentially get DDP or Goldberg and get a bit of heat from them. But DDP is quite old and Goldberg seems uninterested in professional wrestling, so who knows?

[TripleSkeet]

The biggest problem is that TNA is trying to use the WWE formula when the WWE formula doesn't work particularly well for the WWE. TNA needs to dump the backstage skits and keep the worked shoot personal stuff to an absolute minimum. One of the main reasons the nWo invasion of WCW worked so well in the 90s was because the WCW used the WWE's ridiculous "WCW is Full of Old People and We have the New Generation of Wrestlers" commercials against them. The TNA has some assetts, but the new fans don't know them all that well or don't know what they have been doing in TNA or WWE since they tuned out 9 years ago. The only people they can bring in now are 9 years older than they were when the WCW folded (and even then those wrestlers were pretty old).

Who can Hogan, Hall or Nash have a match with that could make the younger guy look good? I think the best thing they can do is push Samoa Joe. Joe can do the bigman spots with Hulk and go soft when necessary.

I think TNA could potentially get DDP or Goldberg and get a bit of heat from them. But DDP is quite old and Goldberg seems uninterested in professional wrestling, so who knows?

Hogan has said he really doesnt plan on wrestling. I dont know about Hall, but Nash seems to do really well making the young guys. About a month ago he started a program that turned Eric Young inot a pretty big heel.

They arent going to cut the backstage segments. That has been going on since the early 90's at least and its not an engrained part of wrestling. Even the indy feds that have regular tv shows have them, so dont expect those to dissapear.

WWE's biggest problem isnt the backstage segments anyway. Its that they turned off the male demographic to cater to women and kids. They took all the realism out of wrestling. When I watch Law & Order, its acting but the cops dont shoot the criminals with ray guns because theres no believability.

That and they just completely stopped being creative in there storylines. Every week the same guys fight each other. Every PPV they fight the same people in a different gimmick match. This goes on for months and then they switch opponents. Kofi Kingston should not be fighting Randy Orton every week. Even if they are feuding they should be wrestling different opponents. Then you can throw a run in here, or a backstage confrontation in there to further the feud.

Today on WWE Classics I watched a Raw from 1998. In it The New Age Outlaws are in the middle of a huge feud with Cactus Jack and Terry Funk. Meanwhile, while in the middle of this feud, they also took time out to jump the Legion of Doom and beat them up to. Then later when they were leaving they got jumped by Cactus and Funk. You are supposed to throw different elements into the mix every week. Thats not what WWE does anymore.

[Melk]

Today on WWE Classics I watched a Raw from 1998. In it The New Age Outlaws are in the middle of a huge feud with Cactus Jack and Terry Funk. Meanwhile, while in the middle of this feud, they also took time out to jump the Legion of Doom and beat them up to. Then later when they were leaving they got jumped by Cactus and Funk. You are supposed to throw different elements into the mix every week. Thats not what WWE does anymore.
I don't agree. At that time, LOD was still over enough to have been a stronger influence on the tag team title division. Cactus Jack and Chainsaw Charlie Funk got a single day title change on the Outlaws. The ambiguous face-heel bullshit of the Attitude Era really hurt the WWE. Booking seemed perfectly happy having a 4 person main event tier with any mid-carder getting a subsequent title shot being wholly unimportant.

There were only a few things that the WWE and WCW got right beyond their initial TV ratings spikes. The only things that come to mind are the Austin/Hart feud, the build up of the Sting/Hogan feud (not the actual match though), Goldberg, Booker T's single's push, DDP's push, and the build up to Austin/Michaels at Wrestlemania 14. Both WCW and WWE dropped the ball on performers they had who were essentially over for no real reason. Jobbing Flair and Foley so many times really wrecked their credibility as main eventers when they were needed.

[TripleSkeet]

I don't agree. At that time, LOD was still over enough to have been a stronger influence on the tag team title division. Cactus Jack and Chainsaw Charlie Funk got a single day title change on the Outlaws. The ambiguous face-heel bullshit of the Attitude Era really hurt the WWE. Booking seemed perfectly happy having a 4 person main event tier with any mid-carder getting a subsequent title shot being wholly unimportant.

There were only a few things that the WWE and WCW got right beyond their initial TV ratings spikes. The only things that come to mind are the Austin/Hart feud, the build up of the Sting/Hogan feud (not the actual match though), Goldberg, Booker T's single's push, DDP's push, and the build up to Austin/Michaels at Wrestlemania 14. Both WCW and WWE dropped the ball on performers they had who were essentially over for no real reason. Jobbing Flair and Foley so many times really wrecked their credibility as main eventers when they were needed.

Im sorry but I disagree. The whole reason I loved the attitude era is because they would work all kinds of different superstars into the feuds in creative ways. When Austin first won his title, a couple of weeks later on Raw was when the Austin / McMahon feud started. First one they incorproated into it was Mankind. After that The Undertaker got involved, Kane, Ken Shamrock, The Big Bossman and eventually The Rock.

I dont want to see Cena and Sheamus fight one week, then the next week they fight in a No DQ match, then the next week in a steel cage, then at a PPV in a TLC match, then the next night in a Lumberjack match. That shit is BORING. Incorporate youre other superstars into the main event scene. THATS how you build main event wrestlers.

When Cena was champ you should have had guys like Jack Swagger, MVP, maybe even Chris Masters trying to beat him for his belt. True bad guys dont want to help other bad guys. They should only care about themself. That should make them try to take each other out to get that strap.

And the reversion of clear cut bad guys and good guys is fucking terrible. THATS a prime example of catering to kids. The "shades of grey" were what made wrestling the most entertaining it ever was. When you didnt know who Austin would stun. Shit I remember when the nWo first came out even Sting was popping up fucking up bad guys and good guys alike like Rick Steiner for example. Those "ambigious" face heels are some of the most popular wrestlers ever. Thats how guys like Austin, The Rock and HHH got over.

[Melk]

And the reversion of clear cut bad guys and good guys is fucking terrible. THATS a prime example of catering to kids. The "shades of grey" were what made wrestling the most entertaining it ever was. When you didnt know who Austin would stun. Shit I remember when the nWo first came out even Sting was popping up fucking up bad guys and good guys alike like Rick Steiner for example. Those "ambigious" face heels are some of the most popular wrestlers ever. Thats how guys like Austin, The Rock and HHH got over.
But, there really is never a "shades of grey" situation. When Bret flipped to heel against Austin, Bret was doing heel things. The Attitude Era turned into the crowd popping for gestures and non-wrestling moves. Could you find casual viewers from that era who could name the signature moves of Billy Gunn or Jesse James? What about Scotty Too Hottie? Even Rocky's non-finisher, pisstake move, "The People's Elbow" became a finisher. If Jesse James had become a headlines his finished probably would have been that horrible hip swivel fist drop.

While this non-wrestling was getting over, the "superstars" were doing overly dangerous, yet forgetable spots. It worked in the moment, but the consequences of that era, the way MacMahon's crew booked, excessively invested in Paul Levesque, ruined the product and continue to ruin the product till today. The incredible number of ECW and WCW people Vince buried and castrated for no real reason.

Meanwhile, WCW had incredible talent bouncing around in their midcard and just saw no value in the slow build or talent development.

As far as I see it, the WWE develops leadfooted boring wrestlers and the WCW signed them to over inflated contracts.

[TripleSkeet]

But, there really is never a "shades of grey" situation. When Bret flipped to heel against Austin, Bret was doing heel things. The Attitude Era turned into the crowd popping for gestures and non-wrestling moves. Could you find casual viewers from that era who could name the signature moves of Billy Gunn or Jesse James? What about Scotty Too Hottie? Even Rocky's non-finisher, pisstake move, "The People's Elbow" became a finisher. If Jesse James had become a headlines his finished probably would have been that horrible hip swivel fist drop.

While this non-wrestling was getting over, the "superstars" were doing overly dangerous, yet forgetable spots. It worked in the moment, but the consequences of that era, the way MacMahon's crew booked, excessively invested in Paul Levesque, ruined the product and continue to ruin the product till today. The incredible number of ECW and WCW people Vince buried and castrated for no real reason.

Meanwhile, WCW had incredible talent bouncing around in their midcard and just saw no value in the slow build or talent development.

As far as I see it, the WWE develops leadfooted boring wrestlers and the WCW signed them to over inflated contracts.

Dude thats ALWAYS been wrestling. I seem to remember incredible matches from guys like Tito Santana and Ricky Steamboat in the old WWF but their moves and matches were forgotten for a fucking Hogan leg drop! Or and Andre the Giant bodyslam.

The "shades of grey" came about when people started cheering for heels. Even when they turned face they would still use the same heel practices and the people would go nuts. That started with Austin. People were booing Bret Hart before he became a bad guy. Thats why Vince turned him heel. Thats back when Vince used to listen to the fans.

Thats what old school wrestling is. Listening to the fans and making them decide who the good guys and bad guys are. 10 years ago John Cena would not have been allowed to play a good guy that consistently got booed out of each building. Yet today Vince and his mighty creative team thumb their noses at the fans because hey, if the fans dont like it, what else are they gonna watch?

Those "lead footed " wrestlers youre talking about are all the old guys from the 80's. The attitude Era had guys like Austin, Rock, Foley, HHH, HBK, Taker, Kane, Angle, Jericho, The Hardys, Edge and Christian.

I mean, it sounds like youre saying the Attitude Era ruined wrestling and I think thats where and you and me will never agree. See my whole point is the attitude era is when wrestling was the most entertaining to watch EVER IN HISTORY. Thats what Ive been sitting here waiting for while watching both Raw and TNA week after week. Just praying one day it will get to be even half that entertaining again.

[Melk]

I mean, it sounds like youre saying the Attitude Era ruined wrestling and I think thats where and you and me will never agree. See my whole point is the attitude era is when wrestling was the most entertaining to watch EVER IN HISTORY. Thats what Ive been sitting here waiting for while watching both Raw and TNA week after week. Just praying one day it will get to be even half that entertaining again.
During the 80s and early 90s, most of the WWF programming was name wrestler beats the hell out of a regional jobber. The other promotions (NWA, UWF, CWF, Global, WCCW, etc) put their top names against each other on a weekly basis. The WWF only booked for one top wrestler. Fast forward to the 90s and the WCW pressures the WWF to finally give big name matches away on TV. During that era, Vince jobbed most of his midcard away to his big four on a weekly basis. The TV audiences were focused and paying attention to his product in ways that he only dreamed of in the 80s and he pushed three guys approaching retirement and his daughter's fiancee.

Looking at Monday's TNA, the bookers did pretty much the same thing. They should've organized the show to get the fans attention on the in ring product while letting a little bit more anticipation out of the balloon for Hogan at the same time.

Vince gets a ton of credit for being a good business man. But if you think about it, Vince misses so much more than he hits. I don't believe the implication that the wrestling business is cyclical. Prior to 1984, the regional pro wrestling scene was a stadium cash cow compared to today. Vince made wrestling Ringling Bros; something that comes to town and some people don't feel strongly compelled to see outside of nostalgia or an urge to share a piece of one's childhood with one's kids. It puts an unnecessary strain on the performers that compromises match quality, wrestler lifespan and longterm popularity growth.

I hope the next TNA makes more sense. I really don't see why it has to be so difficult.

[TripleSkeet]

The TV audiences were focused and paying attention to his product in ways that he only dreamed of in the 80s and he pushed three guys approaching retirement and his daughter's fiancee.


That line makes no sense. I just gave you a list of guys that got a big push during that time? Who were the 3 approaching retirement? Austin, Foley and Undertaker? Because Undertaker is still going, Foley has come back a few imtes, and Austin retired because of injury. And HHH is his daughter fiance. Ok I get that.

What about The Rock? Angle? Shamrock? The Big Show? Jericho? Edge? Booker T? Cena?

I think youve got some revisionist history going on there. And for the record, territorial wrestling SUCKED. There was nothing worse then seeing stars just constantly beating jobbers.

And Vince gets credit because he took all the regional promotions, created one national one, destroyed all the other promoters and made himself a billion dollars. As much as I hate what hes doing to the WWE right now, Im not going to take away the credit he deserves for having the brains and more importantly the balls to accomplish what he has.

See as much as I like good matches, a great match without a good storyline to me is worthless. I dont care about seeing to incredible workers work a match with no buildup. Once in awhile thats fine. But I need a reason to care. To me a good storyline is just as important if not more then great in ring skill.

[lleeder]

Vince buying WcW was the worst thing to happen to wrestling. They managed to take double the guys and make it half as interesting.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

From TNAwrestling.com:

RESULTS FROM THE "GENESIS" PAY-PER-VIEW - HULK HOGAN UNVEILS THE NEW IMPACT ZONE, MR. ANDERSON DEBUTS, RIC FLAIR HELPS AJ STYLES RETAIN THE WORLD TITLE AND MORE!

Quick Results:
- Hulk Hogan unveiled the NEW Impact Zone!
- X Title: The Amazing Red def. Brian Kendrick
- Sean Morley def. Daniels
- Knockouts Title: Tara def. ODB to regain the gold
- Tag Team Title: Matt Morgan & Hernandez def. British Invasion to win the titles
- Desmond Wolfe def. D'Angelo Dinero
- Beer Money def. Kevin Nash & Sean Waltman
- Mr. Anderson was revealed as the major acquisition!
- Mr. Anderson def. The Monster Abyss
- World Title: AJ Styles def. Kurt Angle to retain after help from Ric Flair

Missed the epic event? You can still catch the replay on your cable or satellite provider! Check your programming guide for replay airdates and times!

- Hulk Hogan made his Pay-Per-View return, kicking off the event by introducing the NEW Impact Zone in Orlando with an updated ring, entrance ramp and more! Hogan talked about TNA being proud to be a wrestling company and promised a huge night and more changes to come! The legend also stated "What are you gonna do Vince McMahon, now that TNA is coming for you?"

- The first surprise of the night was The Amazing Red's X Division Championship opponent, who was Brian Kendrick! After an amazing, all-out, high-flying bout, Amazing Red pulled off the win by hitting the Code Red finisher on Kendrick!

- TNA newcomer Sean Morley upset Daniels, beating him with his top rope splash for the pin and win. Daniels hit Morley with all of his high-octane offense, but Morley countered him at every turn. In the end, both Morley and Daniels battled on the top rope, with Morley blocking a hurricanrana and hitting his finisher for the victory.

- Tara regained the Knockouts Championship by defeating ODB 2-0 in the Best Of 3 Falls match! Tara scored an early pin at the near 3min mark with a small package, then later hit her Widow's Peak finisher on ODB for the pin and the title!

- "The Blueprint" Matt Morgan and Hernandez became the NEW TNA World Tag Team Champions by defeating The British Invasion! After the action broke down among all the superstars, Matt Morgan was able to hit his Carbon Footprint finisher on Brutus Magnus to get the win and the championship! After the bout, the new titleholders celebrated the huge win!

- In the back, Abyss and Bobby Lashley got into a brawl, resulting in Abyss knocking Lashley out of tonight's match. Hulk Hogan told Abyss he would still have a bout tonight and that he should leave all the hardcore craziness in the locker room and prove himself in the ring!

- In a bout filled with plenty of back-and-fourth action and submission skills, Desmond Wolfe got the win with a vicious lariat after The Pope missed a knee in the corner. After hitting the big clotheslines, Wolfe covered Dinero for the pin. Wolfe was accompanied to the ring by a beautiful brunette.

- Backstage, Eric Bischoff told Jeremy Borash he would no longer be conducting interviews as punishment for helping Mick Foley. Instead, he handed the duties over to Christy Hemme, who interviewed the arriving "Nature Boy" Ric Flair, who said he would let everyone know when he was ready why he came to TNA!

- Next up, Beer Money took on the team of Kevin Nash and Sean Waltman! During the bout, Scott Hall came out from the back and distracted Beer Money, allowing Nash and Waltman to gain the advantage. However, Hall went after a fan at ringside, resulting in Waltman trying to calm Hall down. Inside the ring, Nash went for a powerbomb, but Storm superkicked Nash and sent him into a follow-thru by Roode for the pin and the win! After the bout, Nash wasn't very happy with Waltman and Hall.

- Up next, it was time for the debut of the major acquisition...who turned out to be MR. ANDERSON! It was a familiar entrance for the new TNA Superstar, who spoke about crossing the line and coming to Total Nonstop Action! However, his first bout would be a challenge as he faced "The Monster" Abyss! In the end, after hitting his "Shock Treatment" on Anderson, Abyss went to the outside to use a chair from a fan. However, Anderson took brass knuckles from his tights and smashed Abyss with them after the referee took the chair away from Abyss. Mr. Anderson comes to TNA Wrestling and wins his debut against Abyss!

- In an amazing main event match, AJ Styles successfully defended the TNA World Heavyweight Championship against Kurt Angle...with unexpected help from Ric Flair! After Angle had Styles trapped in the Ankle Lock, Flair pulled the referee from the ring. Later, Flair threw Styles the World Title, and uncharacteristic of AJ, he used it to knock Angle out! Flair threw referee Earl Hebner back in the ring to register the three count! A very controversial finish to the main event, with AJ Styles using Flair's questionable tactics to get the win! After the bout, AJ and Flair celebrated in the ring and even strutted up the entrance ramp!

[Section 8]

I didn't watch the PPV. Considering that I just saw something online about Sting saying that the main reason he stayed in TNA was Flair coming in, I think that the bit with Flair and Styles will lead to Flair coming out of retirement to face Sting. Especially since they had that whole Sting/AJ mentor thing going on for a while there.

[CYYYFYYY]

A few things I am excited about.... however they are bringing way too many guys. Val Venis beating Daniels... Really? That just weakens TNA's product. I knew they would have British invasion lose. That way they bury the British invasion and waste the talent of Morgan and Hernadez to tag teams. Did Hernandez just leave the tag team scene? Looks like they ill build up AJ, and Angle, the rest of TNA is in big trouble

[TripleSkeet]

A few things I like...

- Bubba the Love Sponge is fired again
- AJ with Flair
- Hall and Xpac may be gone too
- Letting Sean Morley be competitive. He not old enough to be a jobber. He can actually be a pretty decent wrestler if given the chance.
- Ke-Ke-Ke-Ke- ANDERSON

A few things I dont
- Nasty Boys. Why are they winning fucking matches?
- Getting rid of the 6 sided ring. Congrats. Youre now the same as everyone else.
- Where the fuck has Black Machismo gone????
- Matches getting pushed back for inteviews. At least it seems like there are alot less matches.
- Corny ass worked shoots. Hall did NOT beat up a fan last night. Stop that dumb shit.

[conman823]

Sadly all of your likes I find I dislike.

I just don't know where they are going with this place now.


Sorry, I just don't care about Ric Flair anymore. Turning AJ heel is a huge mistake.

Nasty Boyz vs Team 3D......a team from 20 years ago vs a team from 10 years ago.

Hall and X-Pac........please just stop it already.

Still at least it gets my Heart pumping again, something wrestling hasn't done for me in year.

[TripleSkeet]

Sadly all of your likes I find I dislike.

I just don't know where they are going with this place now.


Sorry, I just don't care about Ric Flair anymore. Turning AJ heel is a huge mistake.

Nasty Boyz vs Team 3D......a team from 20 years ago vs a team from 10 years ago.

Hall and X-Pac........please just stop it already.

Still at least it gets my Heart pumping again, something wrestling hasn't done for me in year.

Um...yea I said I hated the Nasty Boys vs Team 3D and Hall and Xpac thing too.

[CYYYFYYY]

I am actually happy they are doing 4 sides. Styles is one of the few wrestlers I know who is a much better good guy than heel.

[Dirtbag]

I've always thought Sting was the only guy to be a better face than heel, among guys with some actual talent or charisma in that area anyway. I see AJ as a guy like Rey Misterio in that the fans will cheer for him regardless, and he doesn't have whatever it is he needs to pull off being a heel anyway like Rock or HBK.

[conman823]

If they truely want to build the company around AJ Styles then turning him heel is a huge mistake. Its a bigger mistake if its all part of a larger story Arc to get us a Flair v. Sting match that nobody cares about down the road. that is not going to put asses in the seats or get PPV buyrates. How about a strong card of 6 or 7 matches with proper build up featuring a select few "older" guys that can still go?

[TjM]

Found this odd.

From Rajah.com

Prior to Monday's TNA iMPACT! TV taping, members of TNA's production team addressed the Impact Zone fans with instructions about "how act like cast members" in the filming of a TV series and not distract talent from "telling a story" to viewers at home.

"You are cast members here. It's active, it's TV-14, please, I know it's fun to try to distract the talent up here, but they have to tell a story to two million people. You're part of us. You're helping us tell the story. Please don't try and distract the story."

The pre-show announcement comes the night after Genesis, when the iMPACT! zone totally ripped apart Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff's opening segment, the Band, Sean Morey, Mr. Anderson and many of the other "new faces" in TNA.

The director also told TNA fans not to "throw up gang signs" and not to chant "bullsh--" during the show, as it just creates work for the production team, who has to edit the bad language out.

"Every time you come here, I want you to be excited. What I cannot have from the audience are curses, flipped bird, and gang signs that I may not understand," he said. "Please, watch your language. Please, watch what you do. If I ask you to remove a sign, I'm not even sure the reason. Somebody in the truck saw something. We're going to be watching you. When we see this violation, we're going to ask you to move."

I personally attended Sunday's TNA Genesis PPV at the iMPACT! Zone and can report first hand that the crowd hated the "new faces" of TNA. Fans hoping to see Samoa Joe, Jay Lethal, the Motor City Machine Guns, Awesome Kong, the Beautiful People were instead treated to Val Venis, X-Pac and Mr. Kennedy and made it very clear how they felt about it.

[foodcourtdruide]

This sounds like it could be a disaster. TNA had the talent there, but just needed to be marketed correctly to go head-to-head with WWE. Doing a live Monday 9pm show was the right thing. Bringing in more known talent to compliment a good roster was the right thing. However, having completely over-the-hill guys overshadow that talent is not going to work.

[conman823]

The Real Reason Bubba The Love Sponge Was Sent Home
Posted by Larry Csonka on 01.19.2010

Awesome Kong beat him up…

- AngryMarks.com has a report from today's Bubba The Love Sponge show. Hulk Hogan was a guest today, and they discussed the real reason Bubba was sent home, Awesome Kong apparently beat him up for the remarks he made in regards to Haiti. Here is what was said on the show…

Bubba: She was wearing wrestling gear, and she came in on me and sucker punched me right on my left cheeck, and I was like, what's going on... then she came out me again, hit me again in the mouth, and she goes, "This if for Haiti! This is for Haiti!" and I'm lke "What is going on?" Finally I put my left hand out and push her away from me, and she comes at me again and I just cover up, because I cannot fight back on a woman. Not only will I be fired from TNA, which I probably am, but my radio career is gone if I take a woman out!

Hulk Hogan: I tell you what, after what happened, if you had clocked her you'd have got away with it. What nobody knows, and this is the real truth, that there were certain people there... she should get off the property, she should be fired immediately, that's it. It was so violent. You could have actually lost an eye, you could have had your teeth knocked out. But, to give you your creedo, you are the one who said not to fire her.

- Pwinsider.com reports that the story was in fact making the rounds at the TV taping yesterday, but their sources did not see the incident.


Yeah this is not going well for TNA featuring Hogan and Friends......

Oh and good for Awesome Kong. Enjoy that big WWE contract!

[TripleSkeet]

Found this odd.

From Rajah.com

Man they are fucking this up royally. Rule #1...dont tell the fucking crowd what to do. The whole "removing signs" bit is bullshit. And its something the WWE does as well. I can understand if there are curses and you cant have them being shown on tv, but when they start editing the signs so people cant make fun of babyface wrestlers they dont like, well thats just fucking ridiculous.

[cougarjake13]

i agree on one thing

it is hard sometimes to hear the talent when the crowd is overshadowing them with nonsense


if the situation calls for them to react then react but sometimes its just them trying to be heard

[asayresk]

TNA just pulled a "screwjob" on kurt angle. :lol::lol::lol:

[TjM]

After the altercation with Sponge Bob Kong has asked for her release

[TripleSkeet]

After the altercation with Sponge Bob Kong has asked for her release

Oh well, at least that should cement him not coming back.

[TjM]

This can't be good!

-- Ed Leslie (a/k/a Brutus Beefcake) was backstage visiting friends at Wednesday's Impact taping.

[Don Stugots]

This can't be good!

Hogan is running it into the ground. i had high hopes for TNA but i am willing to admit i was wrong.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Fuck...well I'm disappointed. Back to the indies for me.

[foodcourtdruide]

Brutus Beefcake being there is the least surprising news ever. There was a lot of potential with TNA/Hogan, but this just turned into another Hogan ego-fest. I'll have to find something else to watch Thursday nights!

[TjM]

Brutus Beefcake being there is the least surprising news ever. There was a lot of potential with TNA/Hogan, but this just turned into another Hogan ego-fest. I'll have to find something else to watch Thursday nights!

Could be nothing.


Allthough should he win the X-Division title. They're fucked

[foodcourtdruide]

Could be nothing.


Allthough should he win the X-Division title. They're fucked

Don't you find it likely,though? He bought in The Nasty Boys for crying out loud!!!!

[NickyL0885]

They should change the show from Impact! to No Impact!

[Fallon]

This is just embarrassing.

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[cougarjake13]

but is it a work or a shoot ??

[Don Stugots]

but is it a work or a shoot ??

its a work and a dumb one at that.

[TripleSkeet]

Im trying to stay optimistic but its getting really tough. If this is true I may have to tap out...

-- According to honkytonkman.net, former WWE Superstar The Honky Tonk Man is close to signing a deal with TNA.

"Honky Tonk Man is very close to signing with TNA! HTM has been in contact with TNA since early December," reads a note from the webmaster.

[Don Stugots]

that is exactly what TNA needed! he is the missing piece of the puzzle. The crowning jewel!

[CYYYFYYY]

The Band needs a guitar player. In other news Jake the Snake announced this is his last year in Wrestling so TNA best contact him quickly.

[foodcourtdruide]

Again.. shocking. Why on Earth is TNA management agreeing to simply hiring all of Hulk Hogan's friends? My guess is in order to pay Hulk less, he was given HUUUUGE creative control in TNA.

[foodcourtdruide]

The Band needs a guitar player. In other news Jake the Snake announced this is his last year in Wrestling so TNA best contact him quickly.

A one night appearance on TNA to give a farewell speech would actually be pretty awesome. However, if Hogan considers him a friend I'm sure Somoa Joe will be jobbing to him.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

A one night appearance on TNA to give a farewell speech would actually be pretty awesome. However, if Hogan considers him a friend I'm sure Somoa Joe will be jobbing to him.

didn't you know joe is scared of snakes

[cougarjake13]

im hoping that hogans bringing his buddies in to be jobbers and not squash everyone


ill give it time but its not looking good right now

[midwestjeff]

I saw the Honky Tonk Man at a VERY small local show a few years ago.
I gave him 5 bucks for a picture and he put it in his fanny pack.
He can hardly lift his leg to kick anymore.

He was really fucking nice though so I hope he gets some TNA money
before that whole shit house burns down.

[Crippler]

TNA iMPACT permanently moving to Monday night (http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2010/0127/479833/index.shtml) on SpikeTV. The new Monday Night wars officially begin March 1st.

[TripleSkeet]

TNA iMPACT permanently moving to Monday night (http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2010/0127/479833/index.shtml) on SpikeTV. The new Monday Night wars officially begin March 1st.

That right there is where Hulk Hogans true value came into play. Hopefully they make the most of it.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Rumor has it that Destination X is going to be an all X-Division PPV. Also, it's been confirmed that TNA's ratings have in fact risen. Spike's definitely got to be happy with this. I predict by summer they'll be averaging 2.0 if it continues this way.

[TjM]

Glad they cleared this up

This morning during The Bubba the Love Sponge Show, Eric Bischoff shot down The Honky Tonk Man's claim that he is "close to signing with TNA."

"I'd rather drive a rusty ice pick through my eye than work a day with him," Bischoff quipped. "This guy couldn't draw flies if you rolled him in cow s---. He's negotiating with himself. No truth to that at all."

On the other hand, Hulk Hogan said he would not mind bringing The Honky Tonk Man to TNA. He joked that HTM trademarked "Linda Hogan" because nobody else did and suggested he work a program with Bubba.

"If we brought him in and we did a program with Bubba, it would mean something," Hogan said.

So it's a definite maybe? :huh:

[cougarjake13]

thats hilarious that honky trademarked her name

[CYYYFYYY]

TNA is making a top 10 contender list. I love this idea. It makes wrestlers goal to win belts which it should be

[conman823]

TNA is making a top 10 contender list. I love this idea. It makes wrestlers goal to win belts which it should be

I like this idea too, but its meaningless if the first #1 contender gets his shot then the whole torny is just forgotten about.


Not liking Flair with AJ. I think its just because I'm not a Fan of Flairs anymore.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I remember Hogan was saying that he wanted to breathe life into the character of AJ Styles to put him over the top. However, I don't think that putting him with Flair and making him heel is the way to go. I would have probably tried to do a slow burn with this and have Flair tempt him with all kinds of the things he used to get as champion in the past; the money, the cars, the girls.

But AJ stays true to his values instead of instantly turning. Sort of a "Seduction of the Innocent" storyline. This way AJ is established as a true face who fans get behind all the time because of the fact that he sticks to his guns, does the right thing, and truly is "Phenomenal" in the ring. A modern twist on Hogan's early character without the cheesy factor.

[Don Stugots]

you need a job dude because that post just had my mind racing. thanks

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Guess that rumor might be true...

http://i45.tinypic.com/292v9ly.jpg

[Dirtbag]

I wonder how that will sell. I don't know how well TNA usually does but I'm guessing anyone who's actually sprnding money on TNA isn't a starfucker and will buy it regardless of the card.

[conman823]

I remember Hogan was saying that he wanted to breathe life into the character of AJ Styles to put him over the top. However, I don't think that putting him with Flair and making him heel is the way to go. I would have probably tried to do a slow burn with this and have Flair tempt him with all kinds of the things he used to get as champion in the past; the money, the cars, the girls.

But AJ stays true to his values instead of instantly turning. Sort of a "Seduction of the Innocent" storyline. This way AJ is established as a true face who fans get behind all the time because of the fact that he sticks to his guns, does the right thing, and truly is "Phenomenal" in the ring. A modern twist on Hogan's early character without the cheesy factor.

:thumbup:

[TripleSkeet]

They really need to tighten up their storylines. I just watched Thursdays show and half of the promos made no sense at all. I have no idea where they are going with Foley, Jarrett, Angle, Hall and XPac, The Nasty Boys or anyone else. The promos dont even make sense.

And when the fuck are they going to have Hogan run into Black Machismo??? They dont even put the guy on tv anymore. What could be a classic moment right under their nose and they cant see it.

[conman823]

They really need to tighten up their storylines. I just watched Thursdays show and half of the promos made no sense at all. I have no idea where they are going with Foley, Jarrett, Angle, Hall and XPac, The Nasty Boys or anyone else. The promos dont even make sense.

And when the fuck are they going to have Hogan run into Black Machismo??? They dont even put the guy on tv anymore. What could be a classic moment right under their nose and they cant see it.

It is a lot of sensory overload at this point. If they are going to write and run 200 angles at once at least wait until you get more TV time, preferably in the form af a separate show.

The Impact Zone also feels way to small for this shit now. When is TNA going to hit the road for live shows?

[CYYYFYYY]

Too many story lines on people wanting to get fired or hired....Jarrett, Foley, Hall, X-Pac, Lashley, and I probably missing a guy

[TripleSkeet]

- Hulk Hogan has been complaining to friends about frustrations from working in TNA because he feels pressure to give pushes to people he doesn't want to push. Word is that Dixie Carter doesn't want the TNA originals to be buried but there are wrestlers from the old crew that Hogan sees nothing in and wants to get rid of. Hogan was apparently high on Tomko as he made a remark about how at least Tomko looks like a wrestler.

And my optimism continues to shrink. If he hasnt come into this company recognizing how much fucking talent they have on the roster already, TNA is doomed.

Im dying to know who these guys are he "sees nothing in". Because I cant think of one TNA original that is worse then Val Venis, The Nasty Boys, Scott Hall or any of his other "boys".

Plus it seems like they are going right back to the old WCW playbook in ignoring storylines, not having a plan or just coming up with shit one week and forgetting about it the next. I seem to remember a pretty major start to a huge show that culminated in Jeff Hardy making an out of nowhere appearance. Followed by him and that guy from 3 Count walking to a car saying how they got what they wanted. Have either of them been fucking mentioned since?

My biggest prayer is that Dixie Carter is using Hogans name to secure TNA a fulltime Monday night timeslot and once they are firmly set in there she tells Hogan and Bischoff to hit the fucking bricks and starts going back to the wrestlers that made TNA great. Keep the add ons like Kennedy, Flair and Hardy, but shitcan the over the hill slobs that dont have it anymore.

[conman823]

My biggest prayer is that Dixie Carter is using Hogans name to secure TNA a fulltime Monday night timeslot and once they are firmly set in there she tells Hogan and Bischoff to hit the fucking bricks and starts going back to the wrestlers that made TNA great. Keep the add ons like Kennedy, Flair and Hardy, but shitcan the over the hill slobs that dont have it anymore.

She should be so smart. Bringing in Hogan was a double edged sword. His name brings in some ratings and a lot of Press/Marketing for the brand. The other end is you get, his ego, and the 30 Tons of Fucking Baggage he tows along with him.

I would even go so far as to say if she had only Hired Bischoff as a marketing executive and let him work on the writing team from time too time that might have been enough. Hogans just added a whole unstable element to the situation. Its becoming painfully apparent that Hogan & Bischoff are going to run this to the ground quick and I already know there out: "Brutha, that place was too small! It had no talent, real amature league."

Meanwhile he OPENLY SHITS ON TALENT in the press, but nobody in the lockerroom can comment on His Majesty.

The only thing I think might ultimately come from this is it puts the final nail in Hogan and Bischoff as Wrestling Promoters. Hopefully Hulkamania will finally DIE and even Vince won't have anything to do with him.

Its just sad TNA will be gone.

[TripleSkeet]

She should be so smart. Bringing in Hogan was a double edged sword. His name brings in some ratings and a lot of Press/Marketing for the brand. The other end is you get, his ego, and the 30 Tons of Fucking Baggage he tows along with him.

I would even go so far as to say if she had only Hired Bischoff as a marketing executive and let him work on the writing team from time too time that might have been enough. Hogans just added a whole unstable element to the situation. Its becoming painfully apparent that Hogan & Bischoff are going to run this to the ground quick and I already know there out: "Brutha, that place was too small! It had no talent, real amature league."

Meanwhile he OPENLY SHITS ON TALENT in the press, but nobody in the lockerroom can comment on His Majesty.

The only thing I think might ultimately come from this is it puts the final nail in Hogan and Bischoff as Wrestling Promoters. Hopefully Hulkamania will finally DIE and even Vince won't have anything to do with him.

Its just sad TNA will be gone.

Well my one saving grace was an interview Hogan did where he said he had a 1 year deal with TNA, but part of that deal stated that if any time Dixie wanted him gone because she didnt feel his approach was working, he would leave, no problem.

His name got them on Monday nights. Thats what they needed to do. If they can sustain ratings in the same field as they did on Thursdays or higher Spike will keep the show on there regardless of if Hogan is there or not.

If that were the case, it wouldve been worth this bullshit to get a new Monday Night War going.

[CYYYFYYY]

LASt nights card was solid... that was until the main event... Nash vs Foley was one of the worst matches I have ever witnessed.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Here's what I say you do, Hogan. If you want to build your big stars on Impact, then make push for a second show on Saturday nights. Make Xplosion nationally syndicated and have it deal with only the X-Division. Have the six sided ring be exclusively for the X-Division. Since Destination X is become solely an X-Division PPV, then why not make the X-Division it's own brand? Let it have it's own tour. The World X Cup and Ultimate X being the landmarks.

TNA Wrestling Presents: Xplosion, the exclusive X-Division Brand. It could have the X-Division title as it's obvious top billing and could even include it's own set of tag team titles. You'll never have to worry about putting those pesky young kids who are some of the most exciting talent on the main show ever again.

Generation Me
Motor City Machine Guns
Brian Kendrick
Amazing Red
Doug Williams
Consequences Creed
Kiyoshi
Eric Young
Suicide
Jay Lethal
Homicide

Throw in a few talents from ROH like Jimmy Jacobs, Tyler Black, Colt Cabana and the Briscoe Brothers and you've got a hell of a show.

[cougarjake13]

to answer skeet no, hardy hasnt been mentioned or shown since the first night

[Don Stugots]

Here's what I say you do, Hogan. If you want to build your big stars on Impact, then make push for a second show on Saturday nights. Make Xplosion nationally syndicated and have it deal with only the X-Division. Have the six sided ring be exclusively for the X-Division. Since Destination X is become solely an X-Division PPV, then why not make the X-Division it's own brand? Let it have it's own tour. The World X Cup and Ultimate X being the landmarks.

TNA Wrestling Presents: Xplosion, the exclusive X-Division Brand. It could have the X-Division title as it's obvious top billing and could even include it's own set of tag team titles. You'll never have to worry about putting those pesky young kids who are some of the most exciting talent on the main show ever again.

Generation Me
Motor City Machine Guns
Brian Kendrick
Amazing Red
Doug Williams
Consequences Creed
Kiyoshi
Eric Young
Suicide
Jay Lethal
Homicide

Throw in a few talents from ROH like Jimmy Jacobs, Tyler Black, Colt Cabana and the Briscoe Brothers and you've got a hell of a show.

i'd watch it or at least DVR it

[TripleSkeet]

- Sting missed last month's TNA Genesis pay-per-view and that week's iMPACT tapings due to a family emergency that we still don't know any details on. Nobody is questioning the legitimacy of Sting's reason as he has had a reputation for years of not being one to come up woth excuses to miss shows.

Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan talked about Sting on Bubba the Love Sponge's show last week and Bischoff knocked Sting for missing the tapings. Bischoff said that everyone in TNA has to be completely committed to the organization or things won't work out, with Hogan adding he doesn't see how they can use anyone missing shows.

This was seen within TNA as a message being sent to Sting.

Bischoff said, "Sting's a great talent. Love him to death. My problem is now that we're trying to do this big picture. I understand how big picture it is for the wrestling business. Sting had life-and-death personal issues, but from a business side, it totally screws us up. If at any time that happens, I got a personal issue, now we have to switch gears on who we use, you can't build the world around them. Everybody has got to make a commitment. It's easy to say we want TNA to be No. 1, but if you’re not willing to put TNA as a priority above almost every situation, then it’s probably not going to work out."

Yea I can see how that would screw up their plans to show Sting standing in the rafters for 5 seconds during the show. Hopefully they will piss Sting off enough that he will finally decide to give the WWE a run.

[asayresk]

Im a huge supported of TNA, but they have to seperate themselves from hogan and bishoff.

[Section 8]

If TNA is that desperate to have Sting in the rafters and the real Sting can't make it, get the fake Sting they used in WCW as a stand in.

Bischoff's comment about 'building a world around them' is stupid. You don't put everything on one worker, ever! That's why you have a roster of 20-30 guys to use. You either find someone else to run with the story, or delay it until all parties are available. It happens in the indies all the time.

Any promotion with a good booker/writer can... Oooo, right... Russo, Hogan and Bischoff are doing this...

'nuff said!

[cougarjake13]

maybe they were gonna use sting at the ppv to start the flair-sting fued and him missing the ppv fucked that up




not trying to defend just offering an idea

[conman823]

Wow, Bischoff and Hogan back on Bubba The Love Spone shitting on Talent some more. Is that what the segment is called? "Hollywood and Easy-E shit on Talent and blow smoke up each others asses."

If Sting showed up tomorrow "in the rafters" to start the whole Flair/Sting angle, how is it any different then last month? Honestly, how is it different?

- Also I agree Nash/Foley was a match that should have never aired.

-They should keep 1 hour of the Thursday timeslot for Feature Matches from the Impact Zone. It would help build angles for Mondays and PPVs and feature some more pure wrestling product. I would do 3 "enhacement matches" and 2 "feature bouts" every show.

[Joe Pietaro]

to answer skeet no, hardy hasnt been mentioned or shown since the first night
...and they have added the shot of him sitting on top of the cage in the opening credits on Impact.

I was thinking about that the other day - why did they bring him in and then do nothing with him? It seemed as if the WWE was building it up to bring him back with the DVD and his brother talking about him, then he shows up on TNA for one night and disappears again.

[TripleSkeet]

- There was a moment recently backstage at TNA where Hulk Hogan and The Nasty Boys had a laugh at the expense of TNA star Jay Lethal. Nasty Boys member Jerry Sags recently openly questioned how long TNA will keep Lethal employed and laughed at the audacity of his Black Machismo character. This scene by Hogan and the Nastys didn't go over well with most in the locker room.

Its official. I have zero faith left in Bischoff and Hogan. If Dixie Carter lets them run the show after they move to Mondays the company will be in the shitter by Christmas. If they cant see how funny a gimmick that is and what a golden oppurtunity they would have just by showing Lethal walking up to Hogan on camera with that gimmick then I have no faith in them coming up with any entertaining or interesting storylines. TNA was good while it lasted.

[conman823]

When will we start hearing about people backstage standing up to these fucking people? I wouldn't even take shit from the Nasty Boys and I'm a fan.

Goodbye TNA you could have been great.

[Joe Pietaro]

Whatever uniqueness they may have had before is gone now. The six-sided ring, their home grown talent and a good hardcore element when necessary has been replaced by WCW visits "Back to the Future" (sorry, Ant).

[TjM]

SPOILERS
































Hogan/Abyss vs Flair/Styles to kick off the Monday move. That's right Hogan and Flair back in the ring


Oh joy :wallbash:

[Don Stugots]

its over before it began

[TripleSkeet]

Like I said, my only hope is that somewhere Dixie Carter is biding her time, waiting for TNA to get established on Mondays and then she pulls the rug out from under Hogan and Bischoff and turns TNA back into what it was.

[cougarjake13]

Like I said, my only hope is that somewhere Dixie Carter is biding her time, waiting for TNA to get established on Mondays and then she pulls the rug out from under Hogan and Bischoff and turns TNA back into what it was.

only prob with that is maybe spike and advertisers say we were only on board bc of hogan and now hes not there and back to thurs tapings and no live mondays, less money etc.

[TripleSkeet]

only prob with that is maybe spike and advertisers say we were only on board bc of hogan and now hes not there and back to thurs tapings and no live mondays, less money etc.

From what I read Spike just wants a program that could pull some male viewers from USA on Monday nights. If Hogan leaves and they can keep pulling 1's for the next few Mondays I think Spike would be fine.

Im saying this should take place after TNA has established a Monday night audience, not 3 weeks in.

[paulisded]

I'm watching TNA for the first time since the Monday show, and I just don't get it. It's horrible. There hasn't been one moment that has entertained me, and Abyss may be the worst actor I've ever seen...yet every backstage moment is featuring him.

[paulisded]

Kurt Angle's military pandering is embarrassing.

[whorehay]

So did anyone see Hulk giving Abyss his WWE Hall of Fame ring, entrusting Abyss with the powers of the Universe??

i wish i were making this up.

[Perrynoid On Demand]

So did anyone see Hulk giving Abyss his WWE Hall of Fame ring, entrusting Abyss with the powers of the Universe??

i wish i were making this up.

wow... im speechless.

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[TripleSkeet]

So did anyone see Hulk giving Abyss his WWE Hall of Fame ring, entrusting Abyss with the powers of the Universe??

i wish i were making this up.

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[TjM]

Remember when Abyss was a bad ass...Good times

[SpicyMcHaggis]

He needs to drop this giddy psycho crap and just go to being a monster. Diesel in a mask.

[TripleSkeet]

He needs to drop this giddy psycho crap and just go to being a monster. Diesel in a mask.

In other words......Kane?

[CYYYFYYY]

Angle vs Daniels... ANgle wins in less than 2 minutes
O. Jordan vs Samoa Joe, Jordan wins in less than 5 minutes
Abyss.... Just sad
Every fan in the audience is a planted and wearing a Nasty Boy T-Shirt
The Styles vs Pope match looks interesting but lets face it...Pope has no chance in hell

[TripleSkeet]

Im really starting to believe Vince McMahon took that rumor that he sent Russo to WCW to destroy it and turned it into an idea where he pays Hogan and Bischoff handsomely to go into TNA and sink the company just as its starting to get some firm notice.

I cant honestly believe Dixie Carter, whose ran TNA all these years, can look at this product they are putting out and not realize its complete shite.

[cougarjake13]

Im really starting to believe Vince McMahon took that rumor that he sent Russo to WCW to destroy it and turned it into an idea where he pays Hogan and Bischoff handsomely to go into TNA and sink the company just as its starting to get some firm notice.

I cant honestly believe Dixie Carter, whose ran TNA all these years, can look at this product they are putting out and not realize its complete shite.




i know ive brought this up before but i dont recall getting an answer


on one of the last hogan knows best hogan signed a deal with vince, dont remember the terms exactly but if he has that deal how can he also be in TNA ??


that plus all the top names vince has let go knowing they'll end up in tna which most did leads me to believe he has his hand in it somehow like with ecw back in the day

[whorehay]

i like conspiracy theories.
Say Hogan was sent by Vince.. would Bischoff, Flair and the Nasty Boys be part of that as well?

[TripleSkeet]

i like conspiracy theories.
Say Hogan was sent by Vince.. would Bischoff, Flair and the Nasty Boys be part of that as well?

No. They would just ride Hogan for the money. I believe Flair just really wants to keep working and the WWE didnt want him on screen anymore.

The Nasty Boys wouldnt even know that putting them on tv is KILLING the product.

[conman823]

So did anyone see Hulk giving Abyss his WWE Hall of Fame ring, entrusting Abyss with the powers of the Universe??

i wish i were making this up.

I was horrified. The acting was terrible, the "writing" was hacky at best, and the segment when on longer then Sunday Mass.

The saddest moment so far in this "era".

He needs to drop this giddy psycho crap and just go to being a monster. Diesel in a mask.

I refer to his "giddy psycho crap" as fretting around backstage like Edith Bunker on Cocaine.

He does Eugene better then Eugene.

[conman823]

Every fan in the audience is a planted and wearing a Nasty Boy T-Shirt



They had a plant on the Thursday before last that had me actually distracted. He was all dressed up like Hogan and had signs like: "Hogan Knows Best", "Bubbas Army", and a favorite "Nerds Shut-Up"

I think, had I been in attendance, I would have got arrested for assault. He didn't even react to ANY in ring action, just held signs like a fucking piece of shit.

Really who needs this crap?

[TripleSkeet]

They had a plant on the Thursday before last that had me actually distracted. He was all dressed up like Hogan and had signs like: "Hogan Knows Best", "Bubbas Army", and a favorite "Nerds Shut-Up"

I think, had I been in attendance, I would have got arrested for assault. He didn't even react to ANY in ring action, just held signs like a fucking piece of shit.

Really who needs this crap?

Yea I saw 2 the other night wearing Nasty Boys shirts, with a Hogan headband and a sign that said "Legends = Ratings". Its fucking pathetic. Someone really needs to tell them that if they want to put a plant in the audience, putting them in a Nasty Boys shirt is a dead giveaway. NOBODY would wear a Nasty Boys shirt. Nobody wore one 15 years ago when they were half relevant, they sure as fuck arent going to wear them now.

[whorehay]

Apparently, Abyss used Hogans "American Made" music at a house show recently. Not sure if they'll use it on Television though.

[conman823]

Apparently, Abyss used Hogans "American Made" music at a house show recently. Not sure if they'll use it on Television though.

Oh TV was worse. They gave him a mash-up of his Abyss Music and the Amercian Made theme.

In other suck news: Jeff Jarrett Flipped Burgers, and Mick Foley bought a suit. Scott Hall mugged Nash for beer money. AJ Styles remains the worst heel EVER (And thats putting him over Randy Orton) and Flair and Hogan gave the fans what they didn't want to see!

[CYYYFYYY]

Not to mention 2 weeks ago Angle made Daniels submit in less than 2 minutes and last week Abyss pinned Wolfe in less than 2 minutes

[Chimee]

Let's not forgot that Orlando Jordan beat Samoa Joe in less than two minutes a few weeks ago.

[vjr97]

Ric Flair Is The Greatest Wrestler Of All Time!!

[CYYYFYYY]

Let's not forgot that Orlando Jordan beat Samoa Joe in less than two minutes a few weeks ago.

That was under 5 minutes and not the main event..... equally painful though

[vjr97]

orlando jordan pinning samoa joe?!?!?!?!?!?! the pope pinning aj styles?!?!??!?!?!?! learn form wcw mistakes assholes.put your home grown loyal wrestlers over.

[conman823]

I don't find Mr. Anderson entertaining.
I hate super retarded Abyss
AJ Styles wore a Flair Robe to the ring which was the most douche chill moment I've ever seen in wrestling.
Wheres Samoa Joe?
Jeff Jarrett and Bischoffs angle is just......a waste.
WWE already di the whole Foley gets a suit angle.
Who wants to see Hogan v Flair 2010? The fans in Australia sure didn't, so lets bring it too the states.
When is ROH getting a TV Deal on a real channel?

[Crippler]

And where the hell is Daniels? Haven't seen him since he jobbed in a two minute match a few weeks ago (although I would be finning if I said I've watch ever minute). I hope that's who RVD feuds with when he shows up next week.

[CYYYFYYY]

I don't find Mr. Anderson entertaining.
I hate super retarded Abyss
AJ Styles wore a Flair Robe to the ring which was the most douche chill moment I've ever seen in wrestling.
Wheres Samoa Joe?
Jeff Jarrett and Bischoffs angle is just......a waste.
WWE already di the whole Foley gets a suit angle.
Who wants to see Hogan v Flair 2010? The fans in Australia sure didn't, so lets bring it too the states.
When is ROH getting a TV Deal on a real channel?

1. I agree Anderson is not all that entertaining and him saying Angle was injury was quite humorous
2. Everyone hates what they are doing with AByss but they have done nothing right with him for a good 5 years now
3. I liked the robe with a hoodie I have to admit
4. He has been kidnapped for 3 weeks now and his good friend Taz refuses to call the police
5. Yes it is but anything with Jarrett is a waste
6. But now Foley is fatter
7. Sadly people do want this

[TripleSkeet]

1. I agree Anderson is not all that entertaining and him saying Angle was injury was quite humorous
2. Everyone hates what they are doing with AByss but they have done nothing right with him for a good 5 years now
3. I liked the robe with a hoodie I have to admit
4. He has been kidnapped for 3 weeks now and his good friend Taz refuses to call the police
5. Yes it is but anything with Jarrett is a waste
6. But now Foley is fatter
7. Sadly people do want this

No they dont. All the people I talk to that were watching TNA more then WWE are completely annoyed with all of this.

Hogan is doing EVERYTHING he swore wasnt going to happen. Hes jobbing out most of the TNA talent and pushing the muscleheads and his boys. He doesnt respect the smaller guys that can wrestle.

Instead Ive got to see Abyss, who I thought they were going to turn into a monster again, act like a fucking 5 year old kid pretending to be Green Lantern.

They are already splitting Matt Morgan and Hernandez. I see them pushing Morgan and letting Hernandez just fade away.

And they are doing all the things that fucked WCW when it was around. Starting feuds and then just ignoring them. Not following up and concluding them. Where the fuck is the Team 3D / Nasty Boys feud? Im all for ending it but if you are going to then end it right.

What about Nash, Young, Hall and XPac? What happened with that this week? Nothing. The only storylines theyve been continuing each week are the stupid ones like Jarret / Bischoff, and Foley / Bischoff, and Hogan & Abyss / Flair & Styles, and Hogan / Angle. Hmmmm starting to see a pattern yet?

They still dont know how to make a fucking tv show. And going to Mondays is just going to expose that even more. Until they learn how to tell a fucking story TNA is going to go nowhere.

[Chimee]

I was going to watch TNA on Monday, but after the last show I'd rather watch Criss Angel do a stupid stunt with Hornswoggle, then watch Vince McMahon probably beat up a midget version of John Cena, that's how much I hate TNA right now.

[RF Godfather]

TNA is again on the map like I proclaimed ages ago. Now they are on Mondays starting tomorrow.

I'm excited! Only real issue I have is the over exposure of The Nasty Boyz/Eric Bischoff and the uselessness of Morley/Hall/Jordan/Waltman.

Will RVD debut tomorrow? Hmmm...

[conman823]

TNA is again on the map like I proclaimed ages ago. Now they are on Mondays starting tomorrow.

I'm excited! Only real issue I have is the over exposure of The Nasty Boyz/Eric Bischoff and the uselessness of Morley/Hall/Jordan/Waltman.

Will RVD debut tomorrow? Hmmm...

Nobodys been a bigger TNA supporter then me on this forum, but you cannot think that the creative direction they are taking is actually good for the company.

[Section 8]

Morely left the company. He wanted to wrestle in Mexico and TNA's new schedule would have made that difficult.

Sting is supposed to come back tonight (maybe get involved in the M.E. w/Styles&Flair).

RVD is supposed to be there.

Jeff Hardy is supposed to be there.

The writing has been crappy(Samoa Joe missing for 3 weeks and not even his good friend Taz calls the police?). Hogan/Bischoff are putting the wrong guys over (Nasty Boys should disappear). There are people on the roster that shouldn't be there and there are people that should be on TV every week and aren't.

The only thing that has piqued my interest on TNA is the Anderson/Angle storyline.

[conman823]

Big Rob Terry gets Gold.

Desmond Wolfe gets nothing.