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Mike Teacher

03-11-2006, 12:42 PM

As best as I heard it explained, and maybe it's total BS, but someone on one of the shows said it was not the XM part of the system, it's part of the NYC phone system, so it's NYC that has to do something first before it gets fixed.Or, maybe XM is quietly saying, as they said in Animal House..."You fucked up; you trusted us...'

Dirtybird12

03-11-2006, 12:51 PM

well the city that never sleeps needs to wake up and fix the telephones. oh wait.. thats vegas. whats new york again? the greatest? i forgot what people call ny.

JerseyRich

03-11-2006, 12:57 PM

CircusFreak wrote: well the city that never sleeps needs to wake up and fix the telephones. oh wait.. thats vegas. whats new york again? the greatest? i forgot what people call ny.   New York City:Happy without Crazy Jen. Do I feel a comedy pyramid coming on?

Tenbatsuzen

03-11-2006, 01:00 PM

As Ron implied yesterday, isn't the phone system a human issue?  As it was framed, someone OPERATING the phone system is doing something wrong to fuck them up.

Dirtybird12

03-11-2006, 01:03 PM

theres a song in here somewhere boys. lets go fishin. awww shit church is now in session!~

suggums

03-11-2006, 01:06 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: As Ron implied yesterday, isn't the phone system a human issue? As it was framed, someone OPERATING the phone system is doing something wrong to fuck them up.  i thought he said it was the main line that takes all the incoming calls would overload and crash

Mr.Pants

03-11-2006, 01:44 PM

It seemed like Ron was begging if any of the listeners had expertise in phone issues and had given up on receiving help from XM.

Recyclerz

03-11-2006, 03:47 PM

I know nothing about the internal politics of XM Corp. and next to nothing about telecom but I'm willing to bet one of Perrynoid's kidneys that the bottleneck to the solution is (drum roll) -Surprise! - money.From the little I know about telecom, if volume is blowing up the system you don't have enough "pipe" (bandwidth, switches, etc.) dedicated for your use.  They probably can't add marginal capacity and have to upgrade the whole system which can cost anywhere from 5 to 6 figures.  Given Wall Street's spotlight on XM's "runaway" costs (the reason that Director resigned so publicly a few weeks ago) there is probably a hold on all capital projects that don't add directly to revenues (the same reason there are the old cubicles outside the studio instead of stages and stripper poles a la O&A's complaints).  Are any of us going to drop XM just because the phones blow up on R&F?  I don't think so and neither do Hugh Panero and whoever the CFO is.  The situation is also probably not helped by the fact that NY is a branch office for XM, unlike Sirius.On the bright side, just think how much more quickly Stern's Taj Mahal contract and studio will sink Sirius.  Then maybe XM can buy up their set-up on the cheap.Just one corporate drone's opinion.  I could be all wrong so it's a good thing Perrynoid has two kidneys. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />

Mr.Pants

03-11-2006, 04:52 PM

But have you heard of any station anywhere else, big or small, having this problem?

Recyclerz

03-11-2006, 05:01 PM

But have you heard of any station anywhere else, big or small, having this problem? I'm not sure if this was addressed to me, but I don't work in radio so maybe Tenbatsuzen, ESD or Mike the Teacher can give an informed reponse.  But as one of the R&F faithful, I can wager that their show, especially now that it has a national platform,  seems so listener friendly that it probably gets a much higher % of listeners wanting to chip in and be part of the team* and therefore blowing up the phones.* Look, they even plucked ESD out of the stands to suit up. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" />

margin

03-11-2006, 05:27 PM

I like ELO, so i think Wiki is doing a bang up job.

Dirtybird12

03-11-2006, 06:13 PM

<img height="264" src="http://octapod.org/catpounce/elo.jpg" width="275" border="0" /> margin wrote: I like ELO, so i think Wiki is doing a bang up job. their abums always sounded good to me as well

Mr.Pants

03-11-2006, 06:14 PM

Bastard! Beat me to it. Same picture and everything.

margin

03-11-2006, 07:08 PM

bobrobot

03-11-2006, 07:37 PM

I am happy & proud to unveil my private line to the RnF XM studios!!!<img height="200" src="http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_SM2/0059-0509-2003-3911_SM2.jpg" width="300" border="0" />

GlassJoe

03-11-2006, 07:59 PM

Maybe he's a big Amy Mann fan.

Billy Staples

03-11-2006, 09:14 PM

Actually it turned out that the band that played on all of ELO's records was Jeff Lynnkind of an ealrier day trent Reznorand thatis todays bit of usless muiscal knowledge....now back to ur regularly scheduled problem...the phones.If the phones are part on some kind of internet hookup or somehting I read earlier, someone nailed it earlier...there is nothing $ can't fix.  Whether it be equipment, or people to properly run them or even a budget for things needed for bits on the show....example.....a jar of mayo like on Cinco De Mayo and slices of ham....thae led to on of the funniest bits of Al being tied og and gagges and Rob Halford of Judas Priest Walking in and getting all gayed up over Alall for the price of a jar of mayo and quarter pound of ham.  (which a quest of hours started to eat during the break and i had to stop him...unreal)anyway...fun reminiscing....but key to a good show...make and keep the hosts happy.....very simple

PapaBear

03-11-2006, 09:41 PM

CircusFreak wrote: <img height="264" src="http://octapod.org/catpounce/elo.jpg" width="275" border="0" />  That album always makes me want to play Simon.<img height="253" src="http://www.panopticist.com/graphics/simon_extreme.gif" width="250" border="0" />

jlehane

03-12-2006, 02:14 AM

Jeff Lynn is still my top producer,even though Rick Rubin rules the world.I call him "Mister Blue Sky" and he gets it and gets it done.                Phones,I don't know too much about.Screening phones,Staples.You put Staples on that job and it will get handled.

Cozmik

03-12-2006, 03:41 AM

Why the heck don't O&A have this problem?  Same studio, at least as many calls coming in.

GlassJoe

03-12-2006, 06:25 AM

Ron & Fez are on different phone lines. 
Cozmik wrote: Why the heck don't O&A have this problem? Same studio, at least as many calls coming in.

Mr.Pants

03-12-2006, 06:47 AM

Sorry, I'm not buying into any of the answers conceding that its a lost cause. Its the year 2006 and now the phone systems aren't working. Is this some sort of devolution of technology?

SinA

03-12-2006, 07:21 AM

I'm guessing that the "lines" for 866-RON-0-FEZ were added to the system that already handled O&A's calls, and probably shares the same hardware in the studio. Whatever phone service they have (Verizon/Bell/?) probably just added them from their office, and might never have altered the actual phone lines or equipment in the building.  There's a real good chance it's not actual lines, but data that routes through a server which obviously can't handle the load.  The phone system, like Earl, freaks out when there is too much going on and has to be reset.  I can almost picture the phones rocking back and forth mumbling like Rainman.

Billy Staples

03-12-2006, 09:21 AM

SinA wrote:  The phone system, like Earl, freaks out when there is too much going on and has to be reset.  I can almost picture the phones rocking back and forth mumbling like Rainman. sounds like a problem and how do we handles problems....WE FIX THEM!This 3rd grade logic brought to you by the letter S

Dirtybird12

03-12-2006, 09:40 AM

I blame george bush

El Mudo

03-12-2006, 09:49 AM

I blame Kate Bush

Marc with a c

03-12-2006, 09:55 AM

i blame<img border="0" src="http://kubat.e-zpravy.cz/media/1/20050106-gavin_rosedale_vetsi.jpg" alt="The image "http://kubat.e-zpravy.cz/media/1/20050106-gavin_rosedale_vetsi.jpg" cannot be displayed, because it contains errors." />

Death Metal Moe

03-12-2006, 09:58 AM

Mr.Pants

03-12-2006, 10:31 AM

I blame the Bush Man<img src="http://www.napavalleypictures.com/san-francisco/san-fr13.jpg" border="0" />

tele7

03-12-2006, 06:55 PM

PapaBear wrote: CircusFreak wrote: <img height="264" src="http://octapod.org/catpounce/elo.jpg" width="275" border="0" />  That album always makes me want to play Simon.<img height="253" src="http://www.panopticist.com/graphics/simon_extreme.gif" width="250" border="0" />That game makes me want to do Drawrings.

GreyHoodyShirt

03-13-2006, 04:55 AM

telecaster7 wrote: That game makes me want to do Drawrings.Cheeky monkey !http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4862/simon1ln.jpg

Dirtybird12

03-13-2006, 07:25 AM

someone needs to fix the phones so ron and fez can do their showevery fuckin time they get something good goin - the motha fuckin telephones keep on blowin up- why wont wiki fix the telephones?why wont wiki?how can ya build a pyramid without the callers callin in?how can ya give out a big ass prize to losers like me who have no life?the ron and fez show on xm radio channel 202.  - the thread that inspired the song. thanks freaks.

Death Metal Moe

03-13-2006, 07:31 AM

This one's going on the iPod with the others.

EliSnow

03-13-2006, 07:40 AM

Death Metal Moe wrote: This one's going on the iPod with the others. Fuck that.  Let's just crash R&F's phones whenever we want to hear it.  Say, next time Shirley's on.

rangerNY

03-13-2006, 06:08 PM

Actually, my business is telecom and data networks. Here's how this works with respect to Verizon or whichever company is providing dial tone to the XM studios in NYC. Odds are that XM has the studios and at least 20-25 desks at that location. That being the case, phone service is likely delivered on DS-1 circuits. Each DS-1 is 24 phone lines (23 if its a PRI, but thats geek stuff). The telco routes incoming calls from the servicing central office down that DS-1 pipe, where the call is handed off to the XM telephone system. When a DS-1 gets full (all 24 channels in use), the call rolls to the first open channel on another DS-1. If there are no more empty channels, you get a fast busy signal.Its that simple. The telephone network does not crash due to the volume of calls coming in to the Ron & Fez show, which represents probably 0.001 percent of all the calls handled through that telco switch at any given time.My guess is that the XM telephone system in the NYC office is crashing.   Or, the calls might actually go to Washington DC before getting routed via IP to NYC. XM would put that kind of system in place to save on the cost of calls between DC and NYC. It is possible that the WAN link that is carrying the calls between locations is running at capacity and is bouncing.  That would account for the sudden dropping of all calls until the link comes back up and calls can flow again. Either way its an XM issue, not a phone company issue. Then again, I could be wrong. 

This message was edited by rangerNY on 3-13-06 @ 10:12 PM

suggums

03-13-2006, 06:17 PM

that was some smart shit, ranger. are your 7 other posts that enlightening?

Death Metal Moe

03-13-2006, 06:18 PM

rangerNY wrote:   Odds are that XM has the studios and at least 20-25 desks at that location. That being the case, phone service is likely delivered on DS-1 circuits. Each DS-1 is 24 phone lines (23 if its a PRI, but thats geek stuff). The telco routes incoming calls from the servicing central office down that DS-1 pipe, where the call is handed off to the XM telephone system. When a DS-1 gets full (all 24 channels in use), the call rolls to the first open channel on another DS-1. If there are no more empty channels, you get a fast busy signal.Its that simple.  Is it?  Is it really?

mikeyboy

03-13-2006, 06:22 PM

rangerNY wrote:  Its that simple.  <img height="140" src="http://www.byers.com/spatialage/newsandevents/newsletter/Feb03/man_head_spinning.gif" width="140" border="0" />

tele7

03-13-2006, 06:29 PM

<img height="278" hspace="5" src="http://specials.rediff.com/entertai/2005/feb/17don3.jpg" width="227" align="left" vspace="5" border="0" />          They just need an extra 4 quads per channel, but that's just industry jargon.

rangerNY

03-13-2006, 07:06 PM

suggums wrote: that was some smart shit, ranger. are your 7 other posts that enlightening?    I had no idea that the number of posts on RonFez.net was directly related to self-image.  Who knew?People are asking about the phones.  I tried to explain.  I guess it was better when it was just speculation and witty sig pictures.

mikeyboy

03-13-2006, 07:08 PM

rangerNY wrote:  suggums wrote: that was some smart shit, ranger. are your 7 other posts that enlightening?    I had no idea that the number of posts on RonFez.net was directly related to self-image.  Who knew?People are asking about the phones.  I tried to explain.  I guess it was better when it was just speculation and witty sig pictures. Nah, it's all good.  Thanks for the explanation.

rangerNY

03-13-2006, 07:09 PM

telecaster7 wrote: <img width="227" vspace="5" hspace="5" height="278" border="0" align="left" src="http://specials.rediff.com/entertai/2005/feb/17don3.jpg" /> They just need an extra 4 quads per channel, but that's just industry jargon.           The armature sprocket is causing interference, which in
turn, causes the combustion line to interfere with the flow in the dynaflow.

Death Metal Moe

03-13-2006, 07:09 PM

Jesus rangerNY, don't take a few jokes so personally.

Death Metal Moe

03-13-2006, 07:10 PM

rangerNY

03-13-2006, 07:12 PM

mikeyboy wrote: rangerNY wrote: suggums wrote: that was some smart shit, ranger. are your 7 other posts that enlightening? I had no idea that the number of posts on RonFez.net was directly related to self-image. Who knew?People are asking about the phones. I tried to explain. I guess it was better when it was just speculation and witty sig pictures. Nah, it's all good. Thanks for the explanation.    No worries.  I know it was pretty geeky, and I really don't mind the ribbing.The thing I miss most about the show on XM are the pyramids.  I really do wish they'd fix the damn phones!

Marc with a c

03-13-2006, 07:13 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: Jesus rangerNY, don't take a few jokes so personally. thats easy for you to say Moe. you have over 23000 self image points. 

This message was edited by evedder on 3-13-06 @ 11:14 PM

suggums

03-13-2006, 07:14 PM

rangerNY wrote: suggums wrote: that was some smart shit, ranger. are your 7 other posts that enlightening? I had no idea that the number of posts on RonFez.net was directly related to self-image. Who knew?People are asking about the phones. I tried to explain. I guess it was better when it was just speculation and witty sig pictures.    hey assclown, i was trying to compliment you and was just hoping you would post more (since you've been around since 02).  i can't speak for anyone else, but i thought what you said was the most technically-inclined attempt to explain this so far.

rangerNY

03-13-2006, 07:14 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: Jesus rangerNY, don't take a few jokes so personally.   Hehehehe.  Don't take my jokes so seriously either.  Gotta break 'em if mine are getting broken, right?  Its all cool on my end.

mikeyboy

03-13-2006, 07:14 PM

rangerNY wrote:  telecaster7 wrote: <img height="278" hspace="5" src="http://specials.rediff.com/entertai/2005/feb/17don3.jpg" width="227" align="left" vspace="5" border="0" />          They just need an extra 4 quads per channel, but that's just industry jargon.           The armature sprocket is causing interference, which in turn, causes the combustion line to interfere with the flow in the dynaflow. 220, 221...whatever it takes. <img height="220" src="http://keatontribute.tripod.com/mrmom01.jpg" width="324" border="0" />

rangerNY

03-13-2006, 07:20 PM

suggums wrote: hey assclown, i was trying to compliment you and was just hoping you would post more (since you've been around since 02). i can't speak for anyone else, but i thought what you said was the most technically-inclined attempt to explain this so far.    I actually created my account back in 02 just before R&F left WNEW.  I think I even kicked in a few bucks to fly the "save Ron and Fez" banner over NYC.   If I had been listening to the show between '02 and the XM era, I woulda been around more. You guys are cool in my book.

suggums

03-13-2006, 07:25 PM

<img border="0" src="http://www.afghan-web.com/gallery/hug.jpg" /> brothers dont shake hands, brothers gotta hug!

Mr.Pants

03-13-2006, 07:29 PM

Thanks Ranger, that's finally a more complete explanation that I've been waiting for.

tele7

03-13-2006, 07:40 PM

rangerNY wrote:  telecaster7 wrote: <img height="278" hspace="5" src="http://specials.rediff.com/entertai/2005/feb/17don3.jpg" width="227" align="left" vspace="5" border="0" />          They just need an extra 4 quads per channel, but that's just industry jargon.           The armature sprocket is causing interference, which in turn, causes the combustion line to interfere with the flow in the dynaflow. <img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/63/Ednorton.jpg/180px-Ednorton.jpg" border="0" />Could'nt have said it better myself.

Billy Staples

03-13-2006, 08:33 PM

That album always makes me want to play Simon <img height="211" src="http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.realityblogs.com/archives/05-29-2004_simonBobblehead.gif" width="230" border="0" />

Billy Staples

03-13-2006, 08:53 PM

C'mon everyone  Oh Wicki what a pity you don't understandthe phones aren't that hard, you just have to give a damnOh Wicki what a pity you don't understandyou don't come through Wickiwhat do you do Wicki, do Wicki we wish we knew WickiDisclaimer: this song was posted under this screen name for reading purposes only.  It is not intended nor implied that the person whose screen name this appears under actually wrote, knew about or had anything to do with the song being so witty, clever or brilliant, or that he knew anything about it at all  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/innocent.gif" border="0" />

Judge Smails

03-13-2006, 09:23 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: <img height="300" src="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.feagan/flux2.jpg" width="227" border="0" />  Somebody tell Earl that the phone system needs more jigawatts.<img src="http://estherkustanowitz.typepad.com/myurbankvetch2005/images/doc_brown_1.jpg" border="0" />      OK . . . I'm going to give myself this:<img src="http://www.musicomh.com/anidifranco/ani-difranco.jpg" border="0" />