Real Happy anniversary George

[Billy Staples]

<p><font size="2">Just wanted to say this one thing...</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="4">3 fucking years...congratulations...Mission Accomplished</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>William Edward Staples</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>PS:&nbsp; How long was Vietnam?&nbsp;&nbsp; Not as advisors but as combatants</p>

[A.J.]

<strong>Billy Staples</strong> wrote:<br /><p>How long was Vietnam?&nbsp;&nbsp; Not as advisors but as combatants</p><p>&quot;A child's question, but not a childish question.&quot; </p><p><img height="491" src="http://www.nsleloi.co.jp/VE25Vol.jpg" width="329" border="0" /></p><p>(1965-1975, BTW)</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by A.J. on 3-20-06 @ 12:02 PM</span>

[Furtherman]

<p>2,300 of our soldiers have died.</p><p>Not sure what for.</p><p>George W screwed things up so much over there that we'll probably still be there in another 3 years.</p><p>Nice going W. </p>

[bobrobot]

<p><strong><font color="#000099">It's amazing how appropriate this 43 year old song is...</font></strong></p><p>MASTERS OF WAR - Bob Dylan</p><p><font face="Courier">Come you masters of war<br />You that build all the guns<br />You that build the death planes<br />You that build the big bombs<br />You that hide behind walls<br />You that hide behind desks<br />I just want you to know<br />I can see through your masks<br /><br />You that never done nothin'<br />But build to destroy<br />You play with my world<br />Like it's your little toy<br />You put a gun in my hand<br />And you hide from my eyes<br />And you turn and run farther<br />When the fast bullets fly<br /><br />Like Judas of old<br />You lie and deceive<br />A world war can be won<br />You want me to believe<br />But I see through your eyes<br />And I see through your brain<br />Like I see through the water<br />That runs down my drain<br /><br />You fasten the triggers<br />For the others to fire<br />Then you set back and watch<br />When the death count gets higher<br />You hide in your mansion<br />As young people's blood<br />Flows out of their bodies<br />And is buried in the mud<br /><br />You've thrown the worst fear<br />That can ever be hurled<br />Fear to bring children<br />Into the world<br />For threatening my baby<br />Unborn and unnamed<br />You ain't worth the blood<br />That runs in your veins<br /><br />How much do I know<br />To talk out of turn<br />You might say that I'm young<br />You might say I'm unlearned<br />But there's one thing I know<br />Though I'm younger than you<br />Even Jesus would never<br />Forgive what you do<br /><br />Let me ask you one question<br />Is your money that good<br />Will it buy you forgiveness<br />Do you think that it could<br />I think you will find<br />When your death takes its toll<br />All the money you made<br />Will never buy back your soul<br /><br />And I hope that you die<br />And your death'll come soon<br />I will follow your casket<br />In the pale afternoon<br />And I'll watch while you're lowered<br />Down to your deathbed<br />And I'll stand o'er your grave<br />'Til I'm sure that you're dead</font><br /></p>

[FUNKMAN]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p>2,300 of our soldiers have died.</p><p>Not sure what for.</p><p>George W screwed things up so much over there that we'll probably still be there in another 3 years.</p><p>Nice going W. </p><p>don't forget the 10 to 15,000 soldiers blinded, burnt, maimed, etc etc. the trillion dollars being spent, the cities/infrastructure laying in shambles in Iraq(who's paying to rebuild it?) and the 10 to 30,000 innocent Iraqis that have been killed so far(sure,&nbsp;many by their own hand) but I doubt Saddam would have killed that many himself.&nbsp; </p><p>diplomacy, inspections, and continued surveillance/intelligence and exposure of Sadaam's atrocities and possible future ties with al qaeda terrorists(because there were none before hand)&nbsp;would have been the better route IMHO</p><p>edit: and i ain't just monday morning quarterbacking here... i'll go find the thread I started where i suggested we handle it diplomatically before the war started...</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by FUNKMAN on 3-20-06 @ 12:20 PM</span>

[SatCam]

Billy's pissed his Dickey Goodman tape didn't turn out as expected

[FUNKMAN]

<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060320/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush" target="_self">Bush Asks U.S. to Look Past Iraq Bloodshed</a> </p><p>He said he could &quot;understand people being disheartened&quot; but appealed to Americans to look beyond the bloodshed and see signs of progress. </p>

[bobrobot]

<p>He said he could &quot;understand people being disheartened&quot; but appealed to Americans to look beyond the bloodshed and see signs of progress. </p><p><strong><font color="#000099">I see dead people.</font></strong></p><p><img height="301" src="http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/images/coffins.jpg" width="400" border="0" /></p>

[Furtherman]

<strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060320/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush" target="_self">Bush Asks U.S. to Look Past Iraq Bloodshed</a> </p><p>&nbsp;</p>He said he could &quot;understand people being disheartened&quot; but appealed to Americans to look beyond the bloodshed and see signs of progress. <p>&nbsp;</p><p>Where the hell is he looking?&nbsp; He squints a lot - must need glasses.&nbsp; </p>

[sr71blackbird]

I started out thinking the storys of Bush being an idiot were made up by his opponents to weaken him politically, but I have been coming to the conclusion that he is indeed a mental lightweight and his cabinet must also be as well.&nbsp; As far as Iraq goes, since I have friends that are servig over there and hear about all the good things our troops are doing that never get any press, I think it is a disservice to say that everything about Iraq is a waste.&nbsp; Very often, it takes decades to see the true effect of a military effort.&nbsp; I also know that our enemys will like nothing better then to see the pubic at large not support out miliraty, because it serves their own interest.&nbsp; We should always respect our military, even if our leaders do not use them wisely.&nbsp; People talk about how it could come to pass that a &quot;draft&quot; could become a reality, and while the draft does not exist at this time, if we do not support the military, nor encorage people to join on their own free will, it could eventually return, since the nation does need defending regardless.&nbsp; I will not say that the Iraq war is a failure, because we do not yet know if our presence there will make an important historical impact.&nbsp; Like I said, it takes decades to know the true effect.&nbsp; Im sure I'll be attacked for saying this, but we do owe it to our own survival as a free country to support those that are giving us this great sacrifice.&nbsp; <br />In my opinion, we went to Iraq as a way to get their either access to their oil&nbsp;or to&nbsp;set it up so that we benefit from support from those that control it.&nbsp; Wether you admit it or not, we all benefit from inexpensive energy.&nbsp; The US has the strong market share to command energy at cheap prices because we get it in bulk discounts.&nbsp; Our military might ensures this.&nbsp; I dont mind people attacking Bush politically, but dont attack the military!

[HBox]

<p>[quote]<span class="postbody">In my opinion, we went to Iraq as a way to get
their either access to their oil or to set it up so that we benefit
from support from those that control it. Wether you admit it or not,
we all benefit from inexpensive energy. The US has the strong market
share to command energy at cheap prices because we get it in bulk
discounts. Our military might ensures this.</span></p><p><font color="Navy"><font size="2">This is an honest, serious question, not a snarky comment: How many soldiers lives are you willing to sacrifice for cheap oil?</font></font></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by HBox on 3-20-06 @ 7:03 PM</span>

[sr71blackbird]

Its not just the &quot;cheap oil&quot;.&nbsp; Oil lubricates the machine of our culture, wether you believe it or not or agree with it.&nbsp; Every aspect of our lives in influenced by it, and it obviously is the reason for these policy decisions.&nbsp; Of course, Id like to see this dependecy reduced or eliminated.&nbsp; In fact I work for a company that offers its product as an alterantive to oil.&nbsp; But as long as the vast majority of this country is dependent on oil, these types of events will occur.&nbsp; Again, its wether you like it or not or agree with it.&nbsp; I dont want to see anyone die for this shit either.&nbsp; But Im not going to hide my head in the sand and pretend its not important either, nor cheapen the sacrifice of those that are in the military willingly to protect the state we are in, and who fight as best they can safeguard its continued existance.&nbsp; We all aught to take whatever steps we can to eliminate our dependece on the mid east and its resources in our daily lives. As long as we have this tie to that part of the world, this threat will exist.&nbsp; It hurts us in every way possible. Environmentally, ecomonically, and domestically.&nbsp; We need to rely soly upon our own resources and let that part of the world starve for our money.&nbsp;