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terry1979

07-10-2006, 09:15 AM

My gf and I got engaged a few weeks ago and we went to buy the ring in the Diamond District on July 4th.So, yesterday (almost a week later) the jeweler who we bought the ring from calls and asks me how she likes the ring…I’m like, she loves it.  Then he says he needs us to come back in to the store.  So I ask him why.  He says that he was going through his inventory and he may have given us the wrong stone!! We were looking at three stones at the time we chose the one we wanted.  We picked out the setting and he sent us over to the Jeweler where the guy put the diamond in the setting and all that crap.  Now we bought the middle of the three stones (1.01 karats).  One of the others was smaller (.90 karats) and the other one was way bigger (1.21) and way more expensive, like $3000 more.    The thing is he gave us the official certification papers for the one we thought we bought.  So, I told him we can go by next Sunday and he seems pretty anxious to get us in there.  We are going to get it appraised tomorrow so we know exactly what we have.  Kristen loves it and does not want to give it back either way, so if it is the less expensive stone I am going to get money back and keep the stone he gave us.  But, if it is the more expensive stone I don’t know what we will do.  Legally, I do not think we are obligated to give it back.  A sale is a sale.  It was his mistake.  If Gap mis-labels a pair of $100 jeans for $20 and you buy them, they can’t call you a week later and ask you for the $80.  It’s their loss.    So, I don’t know what to do if it is the more expensive stone.  These Diamond district guys are slimy as hell and try to take advantage of whom ever they can so I really don’t feel bad if he loses out.  What do you think?

SinA

07-10-2006, 09:24 AM

you should definitely call off the wedding.

kdubya

07-10-2006, 09:28 AM

Get it appraised. If he gave you a less valuable stone, go back and get the money back. If it is worth more. Keep it. Tell him she loves this ring and you are keeping it. If they gave you the wrong one it is his mistake and his loss.

This message was edited by kdubya on 7-10-06 @ 1:28 PM

Death Metal Moe

07-10-2006, 09:37 AM

kdubya wrote: Get it appraised. If he gave you a less valuable stone, go back and get the money back. If it is worth more. Keep it. Tell him she loves this ring and you are keeping it. If they gave you the wrong one it is his mistake and his loss.This message was edited by kdubya on 7-10-06 @ 1:28 PM That's a real scumbag thing to do and you know it.

kdubya

07-10-2006, 09:40 AM

Death Metal Moe wrote: kdubya wrote: Get it appraised. If he gave you a less valuable stone, go back and get the money back. If it is worth more. Keep it. Tell him she loves this ring and you are keeping it. If they gave you the wrong one it is his mistake and his loss.This message was edited by kdubya on 7-10-06 @ 1:28 PM That's a real scumbag thing to do and you know it.How is it scumbag, it's everyman for himself

terry1979

07-10-2006, 09:44 AM

If I was eilling to overpay by $2 or $3K, you think he wouldn't have taken the money gladly?  These guys make a living by scumbagging people.  And she does have an emotional attachment to this thing already, I don't get it personally....the whole engagement ring thing is BS if you ask me.  But she will be crushed if we have to give it back.  He better offer to compensate me somehow.  A few hundred for my trouble, or his 16 year old daughter for a night or something....

Death Metal Moe

07-10-2006, 09:44 AM

kdubya wrote: How is it scumbag, it's everyman for himselfI'm not going to sit here and explain right and wrong to you, but you know why it's wrong.  Don't act like a child.

kdubya

07-10-2006, 09:46 AM

Death Metal Moe wrote: kdubya wrote: How is it scumbag, it's everyman for himselfI'm not going to sit here and explain right and wrong to you, but you know why it's wrong.  Don't act like a child.relax

SinA

07-10-2006, 09:51 AM

terry1979

07-10-2006, 09:54 AM

SinA wrote: terry1979 wrote: If I was eilling to overpay by $2 or $3K, you think he wouldn't have taken the money gladly?  These guys make a living by scumbagging people.  And she does have an emotional attachment to this thing already, I don't get it personally....the whole engagement ring thing is BS if you ask me.  But she will be crushed if we have to give it back.  He better offer to compensate me somehow.  A few hundred for my trouble, or his 16 year old daughter for a night or something....by "these guys" do you mean jews?no, I mean JEWelers.....and what exactly is the difference?

OGC

07-10-2006, 10:00 AM

terry1979 wrote: If I was eilling to overpay by $2 or $3K, you think he wouldn't have taken the money gladly?  These guys make a living by scumbagging people.  And she does have an emotional attachment to this thing already, ....Didn't you say that if he had overcharged you for the one you got, you expected some money back ?Why, you were happy when you payed the bill and walked out the door, and your girlfriend likes the ring ?I don't know what I'd do but you seem to be asking for it both ways.

SinA

07-10-2006, 10:06 AM

I would guess that you're not required, legally, to return the item, since it was the jewler's mistake.However, you have a certificate for a rock you don't own tand as a result you also have an uncertified rock, so you might have a hard time insuring the ring, or selling the ring (it could happen).Also, there's a karma thing if you're in to all that.

terry1979

07-10-2006, 10:08 AM

richg0404 wrote: terry1979 wrote: If I was eilling to overpay by $2 or $3K, you think he wouldn't have taken the money gladly?  These guys make a living by scumbagging people.  And she does have an emotional attachment to this thing already, ....Didn't you say that if he had overcharged you for the one you got, you expected some money back ?Why, you were happy when you payed the bill and walked out the door, and your girlfriend likes the ring ?I don't know what I'd do but you seem to be asking for it both ways.Of course I would expect the money back if I paid for the bigger ring and got the smaller one and the law would be on my side, I can get his license taken away.  That is not what I mean.  When you shop in the Diamond district, nothing is bought at the "sticker price".  THe jewelty is always priced at least 20% higher than what they want to get.  This gives them bargaining power.  What I meant was if I was some tourist from Iowa and I walked in not knowing this and said, "I will take that ring" without trying to haggle at all, he knows I would be overpaying, but I gaurantee you he wouldn't say "listen, you are supposed to bargain here....you're getting ripped off."  No shot, he would want that sale final as soon as possible.  SO why should I care about him? that is my point.

OGC

07-10-2006, 10:15 AM

terry1979 wrote: richg0404 wrote: terry1979 wrote: If I was eilling to overpay by $2 or $3K, you think he wouldn't have taken the money gladly?  These guys make a living by scumbagging people.  And she does have an emotional attachment to this thing already, ....Didn't you say that if he had overcharged you for the one you got, you expected some money back ?Why, you were happy when you payed the bill and walked out the door, and your girlfriend likes the ring ?I don't know what I'd do but you seem to be asking for it both ways.Of course I would expect the money back if I paid for the bigger ring and got the smaller one and the law would be on my side, ...  I understand completely. The only point I am making is that he hadn't called you and mentioned it, you would most likely gone your whole life without having a problem. You were happy with the ring you got at the price you paid.I'd be pissed too if he had overcharged me.

Snoogans

07-10-2006, 11:13 AM

Death Metal Moe wrote: kdubya wrote: How is it scumbag, it's everyman for himselfI'm not going to sit here and explain right and wrong to you, but you know why it's wrong. Don't act like a child.  whats wrong moe, you accidentally gave someone a more expensive RV part, he kept it and you had to pay the difference?Its not dick, its common. If you go to a store, and they fucked up the price, you get the thing at the cheaper price. It's their fault, and it's not dick. If you just let everyone make mistakes and fixed them for them, no one would try, and everything would go to shit. You need people to know they are responsible if they fuck up to keep them from fuckin up all the time

Snoogans

07-10-2006, 11:15 AM

also, the fact that he called you means you got the more expensive one. Chances are if you overpayed, no one woulda said shit, cause they got extra money. You can almost be assured you got the more expensive one

FezPaul

07-10-2006, 11:18 AM

What Moe and Sean said.

TheStonedAnt

07-10-2006, 12:10 PM

I'm assuming that this JEWeller is not a JEW, as jewish people would not let this kind of mistake to happen, they're too careful in money matters.  And even if they did make a mistake (we're all humans after all), they would never call you back to replace the cheaper stone they gave you.

Death Metal Moe

07-10-2006, 12:15 PM

OK, let's all just keep going through life getting things we didn't pay for and playing little fucking games in our own heads to justify it.If you can live with screwing people over, good for you.

kdubya

07-10-2006, 12:21 PM

terry1979 wrote: If I was eilling to overpay by $2 or $3K, you think he wouldn't have taken the money gladly?  These guys make a living by scumbagging people.  And she does have an emotional attachment to this thing already, I don't get it personally....the whole engagement ring thing is BS if you ask me.  But she will be crushed if we have to give it back.  He better offer to compensate me somehow.  A few hundred for my trouble, or his 16 year old daughter for a night or something....If she has an emotional attachment to it, keep it, and don't worry about it. Keeping the littl elady happy is what marriage is all about. I agree, I don't get the engagement ring thing. My wife misplaced hers for a while once, and was crushed. If she says she wants to keep it, then keep it and don't worry about it.

terry1979

07-10-2006, 12:31 PM

TheStonedAnt wrote: I'm assuming that this JEWeller is not a JEW, as jewish people would not let this kind of mistake to happen, they're too careful in money matters.  And even if they did make a mistake (we're all humans after all), they would never call you back to replace the cheaper stone they gave you.unless the yamaka, or however the hell you spell it, was just for show, he most definitely was a jew.  Everyone in the diamond district is, I'm not stereo-typing that is a fact.  Hence the reason the whole district is shut down on Saturdays.And I would agree with Snoogans about him not calling me if he gave me the less expensive one, if he didn't give me the certificate of authenticity.  Everyone who buys expensive rings gets them appraised on their own, he knows that.  I intended to go in the coming weeks whether I got this phone call or not.  If I had gone and found out the Stone was actually smaller than I had paid for and I was given a false certificate, he can get in a boat load of trouble had he never called me.  He is actually more screwed if he gave me the smaller one, according to an appraiser I called a few hours ago.  If he gave me the big one he loses out on a few grand, if he gave me the smaller one and never called me, even if it was a mistake I would never believe him and I would report his ass in a heartbeat.All that asside I do think he gave us the bigger one too.

terry1979

07-10-2006, 12:34 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: OK, let's all just keep going through life getting things we didn't pay for and playing little fucking games in our own heads to justify it.If you can live with screwing people over, good for you.Screwing him over would be if I switched the stones when he wasn't looking.  This is completely differtent and how you don't see that is beyond me.  He fucked up.  If someone at Sam's Ashe accidently price marked a pair of 18 karat gold encased drum sticks that are collector's items for $1.99 or something, you would be running to the counter to by them before they realized their mistake.

Sheeplovr

07-10-2006, 12:47 PM

I thought this was going to be about Mark Summers and Whipcream pies

Bulldogcakes

07-10-2006, 12:50 PM

Something tells me if the mistake went HIS way, he wouldn't have called you. And frankly I'm surprised he did. In business, if somebody fucks up, you write it off as a loss and move on. If he wants to take you to small claims for the difference, let him do that. Possession is 9/10ths of the law and all that crap. Moe does make a good point, though. If he's offering to give you what you were supposed to get, fine. And he should throw in something EXTRA for your trouble, having to go all the way back down there for HIS fuck up. AS LONG AS you get what you actually paid for and dont have to pony up an extra 3 grand. THats just balls right there.

Death Metal Moe

07-10-2006, 12:52 PM

terry1979

07-10-2006, 12:57 PM

there is no chance I am ponying up anextra $0.30, let alone $3K...

FUNKMAN

07-10-2006, 01:03 PM

at first impression the jeweler seems to be an honest guy and made a mistake. but he is dealing with the somewhat deep emotions of a woman and her fiance who just want to keep the ring they purchased. plus you guys now feel that you cannot trust the jeweler and basically it makes what should have been a happy situation into something where you may not ever eventually be totally happy with and you'll always be thinking whether you really got a fair deal.22 yars ago i went to one of the jewelers in that area and bought an engagement ring. the first appraisal i received from a different jeweler was for much lower than i paid for the ring and the second appraisal was for well over the purchase price, so go figure. The fact is you're mainly getting it appraised for insurance/value purposes if it ever gets stolen.if you can't decide maybe it would be best to just return it, get your money back, and go to another jeweler?don't feel bad about just keeping it and everybody moves on....

Tenbatsuzen

07-10-2006, 01:17 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: kdubya wrote: Get it appraised. If he gave you a less valuable stone, go back and get the money back. If it is worth more. Keep it. Tell him she loves this ring and you are keeping it. If they gave you the wrong one it is his mistake and his loss.This message was edited by kdubya on 7-10-06 @ 1:28 PM That's a real scumbag thing to do and you know it.   Moe, you're wrong and Kdub's right.  You've never bought an engagement ring.  I have.  The very fact that he's calling him into the story without telling him what the condition is, more expensive or less expensive stone, screams of shady business practices.  With the Diamond District being filled with the very definition of sleazy scumbags, about 10 red flags just went up for me.  If he got the more expensive diamond, caveat emptor does work both ways.  He sold him a ring for a set price.  It's not his fault that the diamond dealer screwed up.

Tenbatsuzen

07-10-2006, 01:20 PM

Diamond District is full of scumbags.  If he calls you about this and wants to return the ring, without telling you if you have the more expensive or less expensive diamond, there's something seriously wrong.  Caveat emptor works both ways.  If you didn't get the appraisal beforehand, that's another problem right there.  When you're making a purchase of this magnitude, you should always get the paperwork, appraisal, and insurance, although I usually do insurance through my own company, rather than the Jewelry place.  (One consolidated bill and better customer service)  My recommendation: if you live in Jersey, PM me.  I'll give you the name and address of one of the most reputable jewelry places in the garden state.  You can get it appraised and they'll give you the heads up on what to do.

Tenbatsuzen

07-10-2006, 01:28 PM

Terry: Does the Diamond Dealer have any other information about you outside of your name, address and phone number?  Does he have credit card numbers, SSN information, or anything like that?  How did you pay for the ring? Start prepping yourself just in case.  Make three photocopies of all the receipts and paperwork from the transaction.  Get the ring appraised by an independent appraiser.  Get insurance on the ring. If you paid using a credit card, I would advise calling your credit card company and tell them that you believe the dealer is engaging in shady business practices and you would like to get protection from unauthroirized charges from him. If he has your SSN or any sort of information like that (for a loan), get protection from Experian and the other Credit Agencies, in case he tries to do something to your record. Put NOTHING past these guys.  They will try to fuck with you as much as possible.

Death Metal Moe

07-10-2006, 01:42 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Moe, you're wrong and Kdub's right.  You've never bought an engagement ring.  I have. I don't really care what you bought.  Because you bought a ring makes you a better judge of morality than me?If you sold someone your fucking car and left your wallet in the glovebox, you'd expect to get it back even though you delivered the car to the buyer and everything in it is his now, right?I don't give a shit how shady the Diamond District is.  They're a business there to make money.  If no one makes profit, why bother opening?  If you don't like their game, shop elsewhere.  It's not their fault they want to stay in business.

Sleeves

07-10-2006, 01:50 PM

This is a cool problem from a far away perspective. Since you're going to check out the diamond independently, I think if it sizes up right then you should just call the original jeweler and tell him the diamond on the certificate matches the diamond on the ring. If he wants some proof, I think it's fine to oblige him with a faxed estimate from the guy you're going to see.  If he did make a mistake and sell you a bigger, more expensive diamond, you should offer to split the difference, or pay whatever the wholesale price would be.  I know that would be "big of you", but it's important to be big.  If he refuses to compromise, I think you can peacefully keep it.

UnknownPD

07-10-2006, 01:58 PM

calling your credit card company and tell them that you believe the dealer is engaging in shady business practices and you would like to get protection from unauthroirized charges from him.The guy just made a mistake. Why are you so quick to accuse him of "shady" practices. I love all you guys that are so willing to screw him. If it was you who made the mistake you'd be screaming the complete opposite.

Don Stugots

07-10-2006, 02:02 PM

gets your ring appraised, make sure it is what you paid for.  if not you have to bring it back.  when you do, make sure you tell them that you know what there mistake was, maybe they will give you a snack.

Death Metal Moe

07-10-2006, 02:03 PM

UnknownPD wrote:  calling your credit card company and tell them that you believe the dealer is engaging in shady business practices and you would like to get protection from unauthroirized charges from him.  The guy just made a mistake. Why are you so quick to accuse him of "shady" practices. I love all you guys that are so willing to screw him. If it was you who made the mistake you'd be screaming the complete opposite.At least someone gets it.  If he put a smaller stone in there, we'd be hearing about the fucking Better Business shit and boycotts and all sorts of shit.  But if this guy ended up giving him a bigger stone than he payed for, Ooops!  Too bad, his loss.I'm never losing my fucking wallet around you people.  You seem like a very dishonest breed.

TheMojoPin

07-10-2006, 02:15 PM

While in principle I agree with Moe, a lot of people have a point when they keep saying how shady the diamond biz is.  Ideally, this is just a business trying to correct a mistake...whether in the company's favor or against them, a purchasing mistake is a fuck-up, and fixing it ultimately is for the better for avoiding much bigger headaches down the line...and that's just going to be magnified when you're dealing with things this valuable.

Tenbatsuzen

07-10-2006, 02:20 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Moe, you're wrong and Kdub's right. You've never bought an engagement ring. I have. I don't really care what you bought. Because you bought a ring makes you a better judge of morality than me?If you sold someone your fucking car and left your wallet in the glovebox, you'd expect to get it back even though you delivered the car to the buyer and everything in it is his now, right?I don't give a shit how shady the Diamond District is. They're a business there to make money. If no one makes profit, why bother opening? If you don't like their game, shop elsewhere. It's not their fault they want to stay in business.   See, here's where we differ Moe, and why you should care what I bought. When I was in the market for the ring, I was told by no less than five people to avoid the Diamond DIstrict like the PLAGUE because of all the different scams they try to run.  I went to one of the most reputable Jewelry stores in the state, and ending up getting a great deal. It's not Terry's fault that they sold him a more expensive diamond.  Leaving the wallet in the car and this situation are two totally different things.The fact of the matter is, the dealer would not be up front with Terry on the phone with what the situation with the ring was.  That is an INCREDIBLY shady business practice, and therefore, the  onus of "morality" is on the dealer.If I left a ton of drugs in the hypothetical car that was sold, and I called the person I sold the car to but WOULDN'T tell them why I need to get back into the car, again, it's a very shady situation. It's not like Terry noticed he had a more expensive diamond.

Tenbatsuzen

07-10-2006, 02:22 PM

UnknownPD wrote:  calling your credit card company and tell them that you believe the dealer is engaging in shady business practices and you would like to get protection from unauthroirized charges from him. The guy just made a mistake. Why are you so quick to accuse him of "shady" practices. I love all you guys that are so willing to screw him. If it was you who made the mistake you'd be screaming the complete opposite.   If he's not being shady, why wouldn't he be more upfront on the phone about what was wrong with the ring?

mikeyboy

07-10-2006, 02:33 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  UnknownPD wrote:  calling your credit card company and tell them that you believe the dealer is engaging in shady business practices and you would like to get protection from unauthroirized charges from him.  The guy just made a mistake. Why are you so quick to accuse him of "shady" practices. I love all you guys that are so willing to screw him. If it was you who made the mistake you'd be screaming the complete opposite.   If he's not being shady, why wouldn't he be more upfront on the phone about what was wrong with the ring?  Because some people might take advantage of the fact that they have a larger stone and not respond.  Whether or not the dealer has any recourse at that point, he sure as hell would have a tougher time getting a larger diamond back from an uncooperative buyer.

Death Metal Moe

07-10-2006, 03:01 PM

OK, let's go with the "Shady Business Man" angle.What makes you think that this guy won't come TAKE what he wants to?  He has your address.  He has some of your personal info.  If he's really this shady, he'll send some big Heeb over to your place and take the fucking ring back.Why don't you do the right thing and not take things to the next level?  Go in there and honestly see what he wants.  I would have the ring appraised like everyone said so you know wha tyou're dealing with.

ChimneyFish

07-10-2006, 03:35 PM

I don't suppose there was any idea of just giving the ring back and getting all the money back???? I know the misses likes the Earth rock she has, but I'm sure there's another one out there that's just as good.

terryc35

07-10-2006, 04:18 PM

Update:Just got back from Bay Ridge and got it looked at by a jeweler a friend knows.  I walked in there with the ring and the certification.  The guy said he did not wan to see the certification, he wanted to form his own opinion.  He knew nothing about the situation.  With the naked eye, he said it is well over a karat.  He measured it said it was 1.24 karats, VS1, G stone but his machine has a margin of error .03 which means it is the 1.21, G, VS1 we were looking at.  Since I really don't care I will discuss numbers.  He said with the .5 kartat setting, that a reasonable price for the whole package he would estimate at $8600 at the lowest.  I paid $5600 for a completely different stone.  The jeweler said that he has no legal recourse and this kind of thing happens fairly often to him but usually with smaller pieces.  He told me that personally he would not give it back, but to save the guy a few hundred bucks mail him the certificate back for the stone he thought he sold me so he doesn't have to get it re-appraised by GIA.  I did use my credit card and I will speak to them if I decide to keep it.  He has our address and my fiance's cell phone number.  What scares me is I don't know who I am dealing with, if this was Tiffany's there wouldn't be a question as to what I would do, I would keep it in a heartbeat.  They are not sending any goons after me.  This guy could very well have Russian Mafia ties as his name was Borris and he had a yamaka on.  I have my soon to be father in law telling me he doesn't want to see his daughters finger cut off over a ring.  A little dramatic I know.  One thing I am not doing is walking back in there and swapping rings with a hand shake and a promise of a good deal on wedding bands.  I would be the biggest mope on the planet if I did that.  If I swap rings I am getting no less than $600 back, making the ring I paid for an even $5 G's.  But she loves this ring and has showed it to everyone now and is very attached to it so I don't think that will be an option.  If i do go back how much of the $3000 difference should I offer him to keep the ring.  In my opinion no more than half.

fezident

07-10-2006, 04:48 PM

This is slightly off topic but, hang in there.I recently bought a 30gb iPod. I paid for the extra warranty and everything.  I immediately took it home and started using it.  After a period of time, I noticed that it was a 60gb model...not the 30gb that I had paid for.I was friendly with the guy who worked in the iPod department, and I called him.  I asked "did you slip me a 60gb version instead of the 30gb?!"  He said "HELL NO".I didn't want to screw up their inventory or have them accuse my friend of stealing. I went back to customer service, explained my situation, and they gave me the 30gb version.  Later that day my friend contacted me....THEY FIRED HIM. They accused of him of being in on it.  They were convinced that he was "doing me a favor".  Fast forward a few months.  I bring in the iPod because it was kinda broken.  Thought I'd use that extra warranty.  NO GO.  Because the iPod in my possession did not match the serial number of the one on my receipt...the would not honor it.What did I really get for doing the right thing?  Nothing.  My bud lost his stupid part time job and I am, basically, out the 75 bucks I paid for the warranty. A story like that really makes ya wanna keep that ring with the nice big stone.  Sometimes...it just has to work in favor of the little guy.  It just HAS to.  Right? I'm not saying it's right.  I'm just saying.... it would be nice if it worked out well for the consumer once in a while.

Tenbatsuzen

07-10-2006, 05:29 PM

We're dealing with two things here. One is the morality of right and wrong. The other is the emotional attachment to the ring.  You can do one of a few things. If you want to keep the ring, blow off your "appointment" on Sunday.  He'll probably call you a couple more times.  Just say you're busy and maybe he'll get the message that he knows he fucked up.  If he calls more than three times, then go back in.  The Jewish retailers in NYC can be pesky and annoying with customer service, but I've heard more horror stories in the reverse situation, with the consumer being ripped off.  I would make sure the ring is insured. On the other hand, you could do this... I know your girl is attached to the ring, but if you want to do THE RIGHT THING, I would return the ring straight up and demand all of your money back, and then go to a jewellry store that's NOT in the diamond district. Without seeing the ring, but hearing the price you paid for a 1.01 stone, I think you may have overpaid anyway.  Was the color and clarity really high-grade?

kdubya

07-10-2006, 05:49 PM

I know your girl is attached to the ring, but if you want to do THE RIGHT THING, I would return the ring straight up and demand all of your money back, and then go to a jewellry store that's NOT in the diamond district. Without seeing the ring, but hearing the price you paid for a 1.01 stone, I think you may have overpaid anyway.  Was the color and clarity really high-grade? With everything involved I would go with returning it for a full reffund and going elsewhere. Keeping it is not the wrong thing to do, but I think with all the shit going on keeping it would keep a cloud over your head.Tenbatsuzen is right, what you say you paid for a stome around 1 karat sounds high to me. Work with your gal and figure out a way to make the new ring special. I think in the end it will be the best option.

terryc35

07-10-2006, 06:17 PM

The stone itself I paid $4800 for.  The setting is platinum with just over a .5 karat's in side stones and was listed at $1800, he gave it to me for $800.  It is a round cut VS stone H grade, the original that is.  From the GIA certificate I have and seeing the setting the guy I saw today estimated I would have paid around $6000 for it.  I paid $5600, so I don't think I got ripped off.  Anyway, we basically decided that there is no way we are taking the other stone.  I will try to use this to my advantage and offer the guy half of the difference between the 2 rings and hopefully he sees my coming back as honorable and he plays ball.  If not, I get my money back, give the ring back and walk out.

SinA

07-10-2006, 06:22 PM

sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.

Tenbatsuzen

07-10-2006, 07:26 PM

terryc35 wrote: The stone itself I paid $4800 for. The setting is platinum with just over a .5 karat's in side stones and was listed at $1800, he gave it to me for $800. It is a round cut VS stone H grade, the original that is. From the GIA certificate I have and seeing the setting the guy I saw today estimated I would have paid around $6000 for it. I paid $5600, so I don't think I got ripped off. Anyway, we basically decided that there is no way we are taking the other stone. I will try to use this to my advantage and offer the guy half of the difference between the 2 rings and hopefully he sees my coming back as honorable and he plays ball. If not, I get my money back, give the ring back and walk out.    You paid $4800 for a VS H!? Dude, you got ripped.  HARD. H is the very low end of "acceptable" color, and is it VS1 or VS2? No matter what, you got ripped.  That color for that price is not good.  I've seen stuff in Zales that was better quality for that price.  The thousand-dollar break you got on the setting was just to make you feel better.  My fiance's setting was very similar to the setting you got, and it was nowhere near 800 bucks. As I said - PM me.  We'll talk.  You can use the money you save for your honeymoons.

SinA

07-10-2006, 07:31 PM

i bet this jewler pulls this stunt on people all the time...

Snoogans

07-10-2006, 07:33 PM

spoon

07-11-2006, 12:47 AM

Personally I'd tell him exactly what the other jeweler said and see how he takes it.  Make sure he knows you did your homework on the issue in terms of the stone quality and value, the litigous aspects and of course the credit card and personal info protection.  And Moe, you really need to stop fucking preaching from your pulpit that is a basement room in you parents house.  I fully understand how people could get tired of me ripping on you, but I can't understand how they ever stomach your bullshit in every fucking thread.  You don't offer suggestions, you put them down for thinking any other way and claim that anyone who agrees with you "gets it".  You're so damn boring it's nauseating.  Now try not to cry, I never called you a bad name.  Good luck Terry and let us know how it works out.  And PM me if you need some info on hating Moe, or Snoogans if you need some gay sex tricks.

terry1979

07-11-2006, 05:28 AM

Hey Moe - didn't you right this in another thread just yesterday?On the one hand, it's every fucking man for himself, and I'm A#1 in my own book.  Part of me says "Do what you have to in order to get yourself by."Where was that side of you in this thread?

Death Metal Moe

07-11-2006, 05:31 AM

terry1979 wrote: Hey Moe - didn't you right this in another thread just yesterday?On the one hand, it's every fucking man for himself, and I'm A#1 in my own book.  Part of me says "Do what you have to in order to get yourself by."Where was that side of you in this thread?  Did you read the entire response or just what you wanted to read?

Death Metal Moe

07-11-2006, 05:32 AM

You know guys, there's other people who responded in this thread you could reply too.I know I'm just the most interesting one, but try to not hang on my every word.::kisses::

Jennitalia

07-11-2006, 05:35 AM

i seriously doubt you had any intention on returning this ring from the beginning, that you're just dying to stick it to the man, so i'm not sure if you're looking for advice, or justification.  sounds mostly like you're looking for justification.  this girl is engaged to a real class act w

Dougie Brootal

07-11-2006, 05:39 AM

fuck that place, keep the ring, keep your girl happy. that guy fucked up - its his problem. i once got a $50 shirt for 1 cent cuz it as mislabeled by some jabroni at the store. fuck em.

CuzBum

07-11-2006, 05:47 AM

YA FUCK THOSE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS!

Death Metal Moe

07-11-2006, 05:54 AM

Jennitalia wrote: i seriously doubt you had any intention on returning this ring from the beginning, that you're just dying to stick it to the man, so i'm not sure if you're looking for advice, or justification.  sounds mostly like you're looking for justification.  this girl is engaged to a real class act w And that's the problem when people ask for advice.  They're NOT looking for your input, they're looking for you to back up what they've already decided they're doing.  So if you say what they want you to say, you gave them good advice.  But if you disagree, you're a judgemental person who doesn't get it, MAAAAAN!You're gonna do whatever you want, but don't get all fucking uppity when you ask what we think and we call you out on making a selfish, dishonest move.

This message was edited by Death Metal Moe on 7-11-06 @ 9:55 AM

Jujubees2

07-11-2006, 05:58 AM

For the record, my wife does not have a diamond from me and she knows she'll never get one. Not a ring, an earring or a necklace.  This whole diamond thing is a modern day version of slavery, forcing children and women into the mines to get the diamonds and then the owners make huge profits on their backs.  For some interesting reading on diamonds: <a href="http://www.fguide.org/Bulletin/conflictdiamonds.htm">http://www.fguide.org/Bulletin/conflictdiamonds.htm</a>Now to the problem at hand.  Why is it when a business makes a mistake that hurts a customer the customer is quick to run back to the store to make it right but if the store screws up in favor of the customer, well it's their mistake and they have to live with it?The only right thing to do is to bring the ring back and go get a real nice cubic zerconium!

UnknownPD

07-11-2006, 06:01 AM

My fiance's setting was very similar to the setting you got, and it was nowhere near 800 bucks.Wow 800 bucks for a ring. She must be proud...no wonder you're so quick to try to screw the guy...you're cheap

Death Metal Moe

07-11-2006, 06:14 AM

Jujubees2 wrote: Now to the problem at hand.  Why is it when a business makes a mistake that hurts a customer the customer is quick to run back to the store to make it right but if the store screws up in favor of the customer, well it's their mistake and they have to live with it?The only right thing to do is to bring the ring back and go get a real nice cubic zerconium!DON'T JUDGE ME MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!

kdubya

07-11-2006, 06:16 AM

UnknownPD wrote:  My fiance's setting was very similar to the setting you got, and it was nowhere near 800 bucks.  Wow 800 bucks for a ring. She must be proud...no wonder you're so quick to try to screw the guy...you're cheapHe is saying 800 bucks for the setting, the stone is what makes a ring expensive. 800 for a setting is actually a pretty nice chunck of change to lay down.

terry1979

07-11-2006, 06:35 AM

Jennitalia wrote: i seriously doubt you had any intention on returning this ring from the beginning, that you're just dying to stick it to the man, so i'm not sure if you're looking for advice, or justification.  sounds mostly like you're looking for justification.  this girl is engaged to a real class act w That doesn't even make any sense.  I didn't create this situation I was thrown into it.  If he would have never called me I would have never known at all.  As I said before I don't really care about the whole engagement ring thing and if she was fine with it, I would go back and get my money back and go elsewhere.  But she loves the ring and has already shown it to all friends and family and has an attachment to it, having to get an inferior ring now will be embarrassing for her.  As I stated before I am going to go back in the store and try to reason with the guy.  So I have know idea where your attack on my character is coming from.

Tenbatsuzen

07-11-2006, 06:35 AM

UnknownPD wrote:  My fiance's setting was very similar to the setting you got, and it was nowhere near 800 bucks. Wow 800 bucks for a ring. She must be proud...no wonder you're so quick to try to screw the guy...you're cheap   As already pointed out, it was the setting, not the stone.  You are really a stupid person with low reading comprehension.

Jennitalia

07-11-2006, 06:40 AM

terry1979 wrote: Jennitalia wrote: i seriously doubt you had any intention on returning this ring from the beginning, that you're just dying to stick it to the man, so i'm not sure if you're looking for advice, or justification.  sounds mostly like you're looking for justification.  this girl is engaged to a real class act w That doesn't even make any sense.  I didn't create this situation I was thrown into it.  If he would have never called me I would have never known at all.  As I said before I don't really care about the whole engagement ring thing and if she was fine with it, I would go back and get my money back and go elsewhere.  But she loves the ring and has already shown it to all friends and family and has an attachment to it, having to get an inferior ring now will be embarrassing for her.  As I stated before I am going to go back in the store and try to reason with the guy.  So I have know idea where your attack on my character is coming from.im not attacking your precious character.   that's my opinion on what you're situation.  if you dont like it, you can go screw.

This message was edited by Jennitalia on 7-11-06 @ 10:59 AM

Death Metal Moe

07-11-2006, 06:54 AM

How about this? If you keep something you didn't pay for, you stole it.

Jujubees2

07-11-2006, 06:58 AM

Death Metal Moe wrote: Jujubees2 wrote: Now to the problem at hand.  Why is it when a business makes a mistake that hurts a customer the customer is quick to run back to the store to make it right but if the store screws up in favor of the customer, well it's their mistake and they have to live with it?The only right thing to do is to bring the ring back and go get a real nice cubic zerconium!DON'T JUDGE ME MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!Moe, I'm not judging you.  I agree with you.  The ring should be returned.

terry1979

07-11-2006, 06:59 AM

I will go screw, but for the record you gave no opinion on the situation.  You said I was looking for justification to do something that I previously stated I was not going to do.  I already said I was going back to the store.  And Moe, I do appreciate everyone's advice.  And there were others on here who agreed with you and were able to discuss.  Did you ever think that maybe the reason you always get attacked is that you come off so preachy and God damn condescending?  Using phrases like "don't be a child, you know right from wrong".  That is something a kindegartner is told.  Maybe if you presented your opinions in civil, non-confrontational ways instead of talking down to other adults you could actually contibute to a thread without hijacking it.

Jennitalia

07-11-2006, 07:07 AM

terry1979 wrote: I will go screw, but for the record you gave no opinion on the situation.  You said I was looking for justification to do something that I previously stated I was not going to do.  I already said I was going back to the store.  For the record, what I stated in my above post was indeed an opinion. My two cents on this topic.  So I guess we can agree to disagree.  Good luck with the ring thing.

Death Metal Moe

07-11-2006, 07:14 AM

Jujubees2 wrote: Death Metal Moe wrote: Jujubees2 wrote: Now to the problem at hand.  Why is it when a business makes a mistake that hurts a customer the customer is quick to run back to the store to make it right but if the store screws up in favor of the customer, well it's their mistake and they have to live with it?The only right thing to do is to bring the ring back and go get a real nice cubic zerconium!DON'T JUDGE ME MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!Moe, I'm not judging you.  I agree with you.  The ring should be returned.I know bro, I was just being a wise ass.

HeyGuy

07-11-2006, 08:02 AM

I don’t know you from Adam so I wont judge you, but I have owned many businesses and managed others and 99% of customers would not return something they made out on. For the simple reason most people get screwed all the time. How many times have you purchased something got it home and it wasn’t what you expected and tried to return it and the business said no returns or whatever. Unless it’s like a Wal-Mart or a target most places are really strict with returns. Also if the shoe was on the other foot and he had it appraised and it was appraised for less then he paid, the jeweler he bought it from would say that the other appraiser is wrong, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, sue me, my appraisal is good blah blah blah. He would be screwed until he took him to court and even then the lawsuit might get thrown out by a judge saying you get what you pay for, do better research next time or whatever. There are morals and then there is common sense. I have very good morals but I’m also street smart and know a scam when I hear and see one. This guy probably scams people all the time and every now and then he gets it slapped back in his face. Good. Years ago business owners and workers treated customers like gold, now its like your bothering them. No one ever wants to help you, they are rude at times etc. Fuck em   I say keep it and don’t even call or contact the guy again. You got it appraised already and you can get it certified from that jeweler you do not need the original appraisal to get it insured. Plus your insurance company may even appraise it themselves because of all the scams now days by shady jewelers alot of insurance company's hire their own appraisers for large ticket items.    Here is another example of businesses fucking customers over. Go to a car wash they have a sign that says they are not responsible for any damage they do to your car, and sometimes they do scrap it fuck it up etc and you will never collect a dime if they do, unless they get in an accident pulling it out that’s it.  Trust me even if he gave you the wrong diamond he still made money on the deal. The mark up on diamonds and all jewelry is 300 to 500 %.  And he’s not going to send someone to your house. He may try to sue you but he’s not coming after you like a schoolboy punk or the mob.    Wow thats the most I ever written in my life. And I do not want to hear about spelling etc...

Death Metal Moe

07-11-2006, 08:14 AM

CampoNJ wrote:There are morals and then there is common sense. I have very good morals but I’m also street smart and know a scam when I hear and see one. This guy probably scams people all the time and every now and then he gets it slapped back in his face. Good. Years ago business owners and workers treated customers like gold, now its like your bothering them. No one ever wants to help you, they are rude at times etc. Fuck em So what you're saying is, you don't KNOW the guy scammed anyone.Exactly.  You could have stopped typing right there because you know as much as the rest of us.

HeyGuy

07-11-2006, 08:28 AM

No I do know, like I said I can see and hear a scam. The fact that the guy wants him to come back in to check if he gave him the wrong stone, tells me and most people with a brain that he already knows he gave him the wrong stone. He is under no obligation to help the jeweler out. Next time you buy a used car see how helpful the dealership is when you have a problem. Or when you buy something on ebay and its nothing like you expected. Its not a bad thing when the little guy makes out every now and then. One of my businesses was a tanning Salon when I bought the tanning beds they didnt tell me everything I needed to know about the beds, they told me what they wanted to to make the huge sale. When they were delivered nothing but problems. When I called to have them correct the mistake they were like its not their problem. I have so many other stories about how business people will fuck you out of your money when you dont get what you pay for. Sometimes you get screwed and sometimes you make out. Its life.

terry1979

07-11-2006, 08:53 AM

I agree the guy probably scams paople all the time, and I do have no obligation to him whatsoever I spoke to the Better Business Bureau already. Anyone in a business that doesn't go by sticker price and all items are negotiable scams people all the time.  It is the very nature of the business, especially the diamond business where 99% of the population knows nothing about diamond prices.  Someone who actually knows cost and mark up for diamonds would walk out of their with a better deal than me, that is scamming.  If he sells me something and make more than what the average mark up in the industry is (and believe me he knows what it should be) than I am being scammed, case closed.  These guys do that all the time.  They want to sell for the highest price possible and that price varies from customer to customer.  I don't blame them, that is the nature of thri business and I completely understand.  But I am not going to sit here and feel bad for the guy the time he screws up and I feel no moral obligation to give this ring back.That being said I do not want any problems and I will go back to the guy and offer him a portion of the difference to keep the ring.

Jennitalia

07-11-2006, 08:58 AM

on a lighter note, how did you propose?

Death Metal Moe

07-11-2006, 09:07 AM

Jennitalia wrote: on a lighter note, how did you propose? With a stolen ring!Wacka wacka.

terry1979

07-11-2006, 09:07 AM

I proposed a few weeks ago without the ring.  I wanted her to pick it out her self.  It was actually on the Brooklyn Bridge.  Sunday morning June 11, we were going for a bike ride.  I hadn't even planned it out we were stopped at the top of the bridge, I had our toy poodle in the basket and I asked....very gay I know.  That Friday we left for Scotland and Prague for a few weeks and we came back and spent few days looking and foundthe ring she wanted, or so we thought.

feralBoy

07-11-2006, 09:18 AM

Death Metal Moe wrote: How about this? If you keep something you didn't pay for, you stole it. I saw a documentary on Hasidic diamond dealers. Supposedly, all deals amongst themselves (at a wholesale level) are done with a handshake.  And once they agree on a price, it's final. Even if a mistake was made.  That is just their custom.  I know the situation is not the same, because it was bought retail...but I don't think it's stealing if he kept the ring.

Jennitalia

07-11-2006, 09:23 AM

terry1979 wrote: I proposed a few weeks ago without the ring.  I wanted her to pick it out her self.  It was actually on the Brooklyn Bridge.  Sunday morning June 11, we were going for a bike ride.  I hadn't even planned it out we were stopped at the top of the bridge, I had our toy poodle in the basket and I asked....very gay I know.  That Friday we left for Scotland and Prague for a few weeks and we came back and spent few days looking and foundthe ring she wanted, or so we thought. very cool.  congrats to you and your chick!

Tenbatsuzen

07-11-2006, 09:29 AM

Jennitalia wrote: on a lighter note, how did you propose?   On a radio show, setting it up about co-signing for her car.

SatCam

07-11-2006, 02:33 PM

What would you do???
Get up on my feet and let go of every excuse c'mon 
What would you do? 
Cause I wouldn't want my baby to go through what I went through 
What would you do? 
Get up on my feet and stop making tired excuses 
What would you do?
Girl if my mamma can do it, baby you can do it

Jujubees2

07-11-2006, 02:39 PM

CampoNJ wrote: I don’t know you from Adam so I wont judge you, but I have owned many businesses and managed others and 99% of customers would not return something they made out on. For the simple reason most people get screwed all the time. How many times have you purchased something got it home and it wasn’t what you expected and tried to return it and the business said no returns or whatever. Unless it’s like a Wal-Mart or a target most places are really strict with returns. Also if the shoe was on the other foot and he had it appraised and it was appraised for less then he paid, the jeweler he bought it from would say that the other appraiser is wrong, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, sue me, my appraisal is good blah blah blah. He would be screwed until he took him to court and even then the lawsuit might get thrown out by a judge saying you get what you pay for, do better research next time or whatever. There are morals and then there is common sense. I have very good morals but I’m also street smart and know a scam when I hear and see one. This guy probably scams people all the time and every now and then he gets it slapped back in his face. Good. Years ago business owners and workers treated customers like gold, now its like your bothering them. No one ever wants to help you, they are rude at times etc. Fuck emSo you won't judge Terry, since you don't know him, but you will pass judgement on the jewler (I assume you don't know him/her either).  WOW!

spoon

07-11-2006, 10:07 PM

terry1979 wrote: ........And Moe, I do appreciate everyone's advice.  And there were others on here who agreed with you and were able to discuss.  Did you ever think that maybe the reason you always get attacked is that you come off so preachy and God damn condescending?  Using phrases like "don't be a child, you know right from wrong".  That is something a kindegartner is told.  Maybe if you presented your opinions in civil, non-confrontational ways instead of talking down to other adults you could actually contibute to a thread without hijacking it. Exactly.  Perfectly worded Terry.  And notice he still can't stop, all the while making himself out to be a martyr and or a persecuted puss.  For example:  "You know guys, there's other people who responded in this thread you could reply too.I know I'm just the most interesting one, but try to not hang on my every word.::kisses::" We just don't understand him MAAAAAAAAN!

spoon

07-11-2006, 10:14 PM

Jujubees2 wrote: For the record, my wife does not have a diamond from me and she knows she'll never get one. Not a ring, an earring or a necklace.  This whole diamond thing is a modern day version of slavery, forcing children and women into the mines to get the diamonds and then the owners make huge profits on their backs.  For some interesting reading on diamonds: <a href="http://www.fguide.org/Bulletin/conflictdiamonds.htm">http://www.fguide.org/Bulletin/conflictdiamonds.htm</a>Now to the problem at hand.  Why is it when a business makes a mistake that hurts a customer the customer is quick to run back to the store to make it right but if the store screws up in favor of the customer, well it's their mistake and they have to live with it?The only right thing to do is to bring the ring back and go get a real nice cubic zerconium!That's some fucked up shit juju.  I've heard/read some of that before, but I didn't know the tradition of diamond rings was so recently devised?  Is this true?

terry1979

07-12-2006, 05:37 AM

I just forwarded that to my chick....in a perfect world she will be so affected by it, she will tell me to just return the ring and get te money back.  Let's keep our fingers crossed! 

spoon

07-12-2006, 03:13 PM

And it's funny a guy named Juju popped into the thread about diamonds.

Jujubees2

07-12-2006, 03:17 PM

spoon wrote: Jujubees2 wrote: For the record, my wife does not have a diamond from me and she knows she'll never get one. Not a ring, an earring or a necklace.  This whole diamond thing is a modern day version of slavery, forcing children and women into the mines to get the diamonds and then the owners make huge profits on their backs.  For some interesting reading on diamonds: <a href="http://www.fguide.org/Bulletin/conflictdiamonds.htm">http://www.fguide.org/Bulletin/conflictdiamonds.htm</a>Now to the problem at hand.  Why is it when a business makes a mistake that hurts a customer the customer is quick to run back to the store to make it right but if the store screws up in favor of the customer, well it's their mistake and they have to live with it?The only right thing to do is to bring the ring back and go get a real nice cubic zerconium!That's some fucked up shit juju.  I've heard/read some of that before, but I didn't know the tradition of diamond rings was so recently devised?  Is this true?Yep, it's all true.  That's why my wife doesn't have a diamond (and won't get one from me).  We used Irish Claddagh rings as engagements rings.

HBox

07-12-2006, 03:39 PM

The smug levels in this thread are off the chart.

terry1979

07-17-2006, 05:55 AM

So, I went back to the guy yesterday and he was very grateful that I returned, almopst surprised actually.  We talked about for it a while and I explained to him how much of a headache he caused for me, he understood and he said he would give me 30% off on the difference between the 2, which is $1840.  I told him there was no way I was giving him that much more and reminded him that I did not even have to return to the store.  He told me that for that kind of stone, it was a great deal.  I explained to him that in my opinion the whole engagement ring thing is horse shit and the only value it has is to make my chick happy and that I wish he had never made the mistake in the first place.  He was thrown back by that a little.Any way, I wound up walking out of there after agreeing to give him $800 more which is about 25% of the difference.  I was willing to go up to a $1 G when I walked in there, so that was alright.  I am just gladthe whole thing is over now and she is happy.