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Yerdaddy

07-14-2006, 10:35 AM

I blame the public. Suck-shit politicians have been around as long as politics has, but we now have a system where we can shit-can the fuckers. But instead of objectively judging their actions in our open society we largely choose a partisan or ideological side and defend it like it was a war. What was described by the founding fathers as a "free market of ideas" has become a free-for-all of ideologies. What was once civil debate is now self-richeous demagoguery. The result is that the American political culture is dominated by hatefull masses of people devoted to demonization of the "other side" with no ability to be self-critical or even objective. They've chosen the most extremist bunch of leaders we've had in a century, and rational Americans are left to choose between a small group of zealots, with moderates left on the sidelines. The problem is us. If we were willing to do our homework and TRY to be objective; if we would learn the issues instead of the talking points of our "side" we wouldn't have half of the shit-stains we have in Washington. I say "fuck us!"

SatCam

07-14-2006, 10:35 AM

I love how they spent $40 millon on bill clinton getting a blow job which to me was funny, yet they spent less to investigate 9/11.

I feel like I've heard this before...

Reephdweller

07-14-2006, 03:02 PM

CuzBum

07-14-2006, 03:10 PM

Yerdaddy wrote: I blame the public. Suck-shit politicians have been around as long as politics has, but we now have a system where we can shit-can the fuckers. But instead of objectively judging their actions in our open society we largely choose a partisan or ideological side and defend it like it was a war. What was described by the founding fathers as a "free market of ideas" has become a free-for-all of ideologies. What was once civil debate is now self-richeous demagoguery. The result is that the American political culture is dominated by hatefull masses of people devoted to demonization of the "other side" with no ability to be self-critical or even objective. They've chosen the most extremist bunch of leaders we've had in a century, and rational Americans are left to choose between a small group of zealots, with moderates left on the sidelines. The problem is us. If we were willing to do our homework and TRY to be objective; if we would learn the issues instead of the talking points of our "side" we wouldn't have half of the shit-stains we have in Washington. I say "fuck us!"I write alot, give me attention.

NortonRules

07-14-2006, 03:33 PM

What would be the grounds for impeaching Bush?  You can't impeach someone just because you don't like him and you don't agree with what he's done.  Blame Bill Clinton for the $40 million lost - don't blame other people.  He's the one that lied under oath about sexually abusing an underling.  Not to mention other past alleged rapes and alleged sexual abuses.  By the way, both sides suck.  I hate liars on either side.  I just don't understand why the liberals have to lie as well.  All they should do is say "we're in favor of gay marriage, abortion and stem cell research".  I'd vote for them if they did that.  Instead they focus on things they can't prove and they just lie and make stuff up and whine.  That shows people like me (in the middle) that they are just as full of shit.  The only sane Democrat is being murdered by his own party (Lieberman).  That's just my opinion.  I'm often wrong about things.  I'm still figuring things out myself.

Dirtybird12

07-14-2006, 03:54 PM

NortonRules wrote: What would be the grounds for impeaching Bush?  You can't impeach someone just because you don't like him and you don't agree with what he's done.  google says -Let's look at the facts. President Bush has committed grave offenses against the Constitution and against the people of the United States. Among these offenses are: 1. Initiating a war of aggression against a nation that posed no immediate threat to the U.S.--a war that has needlessly killed 2500 Americans and maimed and damaged over 20,000 more, while killing between 50-100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children. 2. Lying and organizing a conspiracy to trick the American people and the U.S. Congress into approving an unnecessary and illegal war. 3. Approving and encouraging, in violation of U.S. and international law, the use of torture, kidnapping and rendering of prisoners of war captured in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the course of the so-called War on Terror. 4. Illegally stripping the right of citizenship and the protections of the constitution from American citizens, denying them the fundamental right to have their cases heard in a court, to hear the charges against them, to be judged in a public court by a jury of their peers, and to have access to a lawyer. 5. Authorizing the spying on American citizens and their communications by the National Security Agency and other U.S. police and intelligence agencies, in violation of the First and Fourth Amendments and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). 6. Obstructing investigation into and covering up knowledge of the deliberate exposing of the identity of a U.S. CIA undercover operative, and possibly conspiring in that initial outing itself. 7. Obstructing the investigation into the 9-11 attacks and lying to investigators from the Congress and the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission--actions that come perilously close to treason. 8. Violating the due process and other constitutional rights of thousands of citizens and legal residents by rounding them up and disappearing or deporting them without hearings. 9. Abuse of power, undermining of the constitution and violating the presidential oath of office by deliberately refusing to administer over 750 acts duly passed into law by the Congress--actions with if left unchallenged would make the Congress a vestigial body, and the president a dictator. 10. Criminal negligence in failing to provide American troops with adequate armor before sending them into a war of choice, criminal negligence in going to war against a weak, third-world nation without any planning for post war occupation and reconstruction, criminal negligence in failing to respond to a known and growing crisis in the storm-blasted city of New Orleans, and criminal negligence in failing to act, and in fact in actively obstructing efforts by other countries and American state governments, to deal with the looming crisis of global warming. Each one of these offenses (and it is not meant to be a complete list) would be sufficient on its own to require the president’s removal from office, and in some cases, where an actual statutory crime can be charged, his subsequent indictment and trial. Together they cry out for impeachment and removal.

spoon

07-14-2006, 04:13 PM

CuzBum wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: I blame the public. Suck-shit politicians have been around as long as politics has, but we now have a system where we can shit-can the fuckers. But instead of objectively judging their actions in our open society we largely choose a partisan or ideological side and defend it like it was a war. What was described by the founding fathers as a "free market of ideas" has become a free-for-all of ideologies. What was once civil debate is now self-richeous demagoguery. The result is that the American political culture is dominated by hatefull masses of people devoted to demonization of the "other side" with no ability to be self-critical or even objective. They've chosen the most extremist bunch of leaders we've had in a century, and rational Americans are left to choose between a small group of zealots, with moderates left on the sidelines. The problem is us. If we were willing to do our homework and TRY to be objective; if we would learn the issues instead of the talking points of our "side" we wouldn't have half of the shit-stains we have in Washington. I say "fuck us!"I write alot, give me attention.You don't and we see why.

spoon

07-14-2006, 04:32 PM

CircusFreak wrote: NortonRules wrote: What would be the grounds for impeaching Bush?  You can't impeach someone just because you don't like him and you don't agree with what he's done.  google says -Let's look at the facts. President Bush has committed grave offenses against the Constitution and against the people of the United States. Among these offenses are: 1. Initiating a war of aggression against a nation that posed no immediate threat to the U.S.--a war that has needlessly killed 2500 Americans and maimed and damaged over 20,000 more, while killing between 50-100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children. 2. Lying and organizing a conspiracy to trick the American people and the U.S. Congress into approving an unnecessary and illegal war. 3. Approving and encouraging, in violation of U.S. and international law, the use of torture, kidnapping and rendering of prisoners of war captured in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the course of the so-called War on Terror. 4. Illegally stripping the right of citizenship and the protections of the constitution from American citizens, denying them the fundamental right to have their cases heard in a court, to hear the charges against them, to be judged in a public court by a jury of their peers, and to have access to a lawyer. 5. Authorizing the spying on American citizens and their communications by the National Security Agency and other U.S. police and intelligence agencies, in violation of the First and Fourth Amendments and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). 6. Obstructing investigation into and covering up knowledge of the deliberate exposing of the identity of a U.S. CIA undercover operative, and possibly conspiring in that initial outing itself. 7. Obstructing the investigation into the 9-11 attacks and lying to investigators from the Congress and the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission--actions that come perilously close to treason. 8. Violating the due process and other constitutional rights of thousands of citizens and legal residents by rounding them up and disappearing or deporting them without hearings. 9. Abuse of power, undermining of the constitution and violating the presidential oath of office by deliberately refusing to administer over 750 acts duly passed into law by the Congress--actions with if left unchallenged would make the Congress a vestigial body, and the president a dictator. 10. Criminal negligence in failing to provide American troops with adequate armor before sending them into a war of choice, criminal negligence in going to war against a weak, third-world nation without any planning for post war occupation and reconstruction, criminal negligence in failing to respond to a known and growing crisis in the storm-blasted city of New Orleans, and criminal negligence in failing to act, and in fact in actively obstructing efforts by other countries and American state governments, to deal with the looming crisis of global warming. Each one of these offenses (and it is not meant to be a complete list) would be sufficient on its own to require the president’s removal from office, and in some cases, where an actual statutory crime can be charged, his subsequent indictment and trial. Together they cry out for impeachment and removal. It's amazing to see the list above and wonder how they get away with this shit.  Add in the bullshit that his admin have fallen for and you can't believe this guy is good for anyone.  Delay, Scooter, Ohio and Florida recounts/voter fraud/voter suppression, Catrina, prisioner brutality and on and on and on.  I'm sure people can add more here.  Nice post CF.They ignore shit and it DOES go away bc the media and we allow it to.  Sooner or later he's going to fall hard.  It may not be while he's in

spoon

07-14-2006, 04:37 PM

And by the way, looks like Ant is hooked now!Hide your wallet, someone is coming for your dinero!

CuzBum

07-14-2006, 04:42 PM

spoon wrote: CircusFreak wrote: [quote]NortonRules wrote: What would be the grounds for impeaching Bush?  You can't impeach someone just because you don't like him and you don't agree with what he's done.  google says -Let's look at the facts. President Bush has committed grave offenses against the Constitution and against the people of the United States. Among these offenses are: 1. Initiating a war of aggression against a nation that posed no immediate threat to the U.S.--a war that has needlessly killed 2500 Americans and maimed and damaged over 20,000 more, while killing between 50-100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children. 2. Lying and organizing a conspiracy to trick the American people and the U.S. Congress into approving an unnecessary and illegal war. 3. Approving and encouraging, in violation of U.S. and international law, the use of torture, kidnapping and rendering of prisoners of war captured in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the course of the so-called War on Terror. 4. Illegally stripping the right of citizenship and the protections of the constitution from American citizens, denying them the fundamental right to have their cases heard in a court, to hear the charges against them, to be judged in a public court by a jury of their peers, and to have access to a lawyer. 5. Authorizing the spying on American citizens and their communications by the National Security Agency and other U.S. police and intelligence agencies, in violation of the First and Fourth Amendments and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). 6. Obstructing investigation into and covering up knowledge of the deliberate exposing of the identity of a U.S. CIA undercover operative, and possibly conspiring in that initial outing itself. 7. Obstructing the investigation into the 9-11 attacks and lying to investigators from the Congress and the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission--actions that come perilously close to treason. 8. Violating the due process and other constitutional rights of thousands of citizens and legal residents by rounding them up and disappearing or deporting them without hearings. 9. Abuse of power, undermining of the constitution and violating the presidential oath of office by deliberately refusing to administer over 750 acts duly passed into law by the Congress--actions with if left unchallenged would make the Congress a vestigial body, and the president a dictator. 10. Criminal negligence in failing to provide American troops with adequate armor before sending them into a war of choice, criminal negligence in going to war against a weak, third-world nation without any planning for post war occupation and reconstruction, criminal negligence in failing to respond to a known and growing crisis in the storm-blasted city of New Orleans, and criminal negligence in failing to act, and in fact in actively obstructing efforts by other countries and American state governments, to deal with the looming crisis of global warming. Each one of these offenses (and it is not meant to be a complete list) would be sufficient on its own to require the president’s removal from office, and in some cases, where an actual statutory crime can be charged, his subsequent indictment and trial. Together they cry out for impeachment and removal. It's amazing to see the list above and wonder how they get away with this shit.  Add in the bullshit that his admin have fallen for and you can't believe this guy is good for anyone.  Delay, Scooter, Ohio and Florida recounts/voter fraud/voter suppression, Catrina, prisioner brutality and on and on and on.  I'm sure people can add more here.  Nice post CF.They ignore shit and it DOES go away bc the media and we allow it to.  Sooner or later he's

Dirtybird12

07-14-2006, 05:31 PM

but lets not forget - Bill Clinton got his dick sucked. lemme weigh this out and think about who REALLY deserves to be booted ...

CuzBum

07-14-2006, 05:32 PM

Snoogans

07-14-2006, 06:07 PM

King Imp wrote: Death Metal Moe wrote: Politicians suck balls.Amen! Thus why I very, very rarely vote. They are alll crooks and liars and anyone that actually believes what they say when they are running for office deserves what they get when 98% of the time it turns out to be a lie.   that might be the dumbest statement ever. These guys suck, thats why i try to do nothing to stop them from getting into office

Death Metal Moe

07-14-2006, 06:13 PM

I have voted in every election since I was old enough, except the last NJ Govenor's election.I think King Imp just meant that it IS a 2 party system even if no one wants to admit it, and when both choices are equally shitty, why bother voting?  We lose either way.It's a defeatist attitude, but it's easy to get discouraged when you see both sides fucking you over.

Snoogans

07-14-2006, 06:16 PM

but its not the system that makes it a 2 party system, its the fuckin idiot conformists who vote. Most people who vote by party are not going to vote any other way no matter what cause they dont listen or care about the issues, thats what they are. Things wont change until people actually start to make up their own minds and then VOTE how they should. When the smart people who actually think stop voting, nothing will ever be fixed cause that leaves only the idiots causing the problems to vote. If everyone who just said fuck voting went out and just voted independant, they would get funding and into debates and something might actually change

docgoblin

07-14-2006, 07:15 PM

Snoogans wrote: but its not the system that makes it a 2 party system, its the fuckin idiot conformists who vote. Most people who vote by party are not going to vote any other way no matter what cause they dont listen or care about the issues, thats what they are. Things wont change until people actually start to make up their own minds and then VOTE how they should. When the smart people who actually think stop voting, nothing will ever be fixed cause that leaves only the idiots causing the problems to vote. If everyone who just said fuck voting went out and just voted independant, they would get funding and into debates and something might actually change   I hate to burst your bubble, but we're completely manipulated by the American 2-party system, and there is no longer anything we can do about it. The tiger has long ago been let out of his cage. We will never, in our lifetime, do away with the current process. We have recently had candidates who truly cared about the country rather than the special intrests (Nader, Dole, Lieberman, Gore, and Perot), some of whom were independents, but they were all squashed like bugs because they did not fill the right pocket. This occurs on every political level, from the local town Mayor to the Presdident of the United States. It cannot be stopped, and will not be stopped. I was a registered Republican when I was first able to vote in '80, then when I thought we got screwed by Bush Sr., I switched to Democrat. When I realized, after Clinton that they are all a bunch of ASSWHACKS, I registered as an inependent. That's all I felt I could do, so not to align myself with one of the two major parties. Remember... The face of the Democratic Party is Howard Dean and Ted Kennedy. The face of the Republican party is the Bush family and John McCain... We're screwed, plain and simple!

King Imp

07-14-2006, 07:51 PM

Snoogans wrote:  King Imp wrote: Death Metal Moe wrote: Politicians suck balls.Amen! Thus why I very, very rarely vote. They are alll crooks and liars and anyone that actually believes what they say when they are running for office deserves what they get when 98% of the time it turns out to be a lie.   that might be the dumbest statement ever. These guys suck, thats why i try to do nothing to stop them from getting into office Do you think voting for Ralph Nader every election is going to keep a lying Democrat or a lying Republican out of office? Vote or don't vote, we are still going to get stuck with a liar. It's just a matter of which will lie less. 

This message was edited by King Imp on 7-14-06 @ 11:51 PM

HBox

07-14-2006, 07:55 PM

King Imp wrote: Snoogans wrote: King Imp wrote: Death Metal Moe wrote: Politicians suck balls.Amen! Thus why I very, very rarely vote. They are alll crooks and liars and anyone that actually believes what they say when they are running for office deserves what they get when 98% of the time it turns out to be a lie. that might be the dumbest statement ever. These guys suck, thats why i try to do nothing to stop them from getting into office Do yopu think voting for Ralph Nader every election is going to keep a lying Democrat or a lying Republican out of office? Vote or don't vote, we are still going to get stuck with a liar. It's just a matter of which will lie less.   Simply writing every single person in office off is just as stupid, if not more so, than just falling in line on one side or the other. Things are much more complicated than that, and simply throwing your hands up and giving up will not solve anything.Jesus christ people. DO SOMETHING. There are good people out there trying to change things, find them and help.  Whining like a bitch on a message board does nothing.

Snoogans

07-14-2006, 08:00 PM

I cant take the people who say my vote doesnt matter. Almost half the country didnt even fuckin vote last time. Almost half. Thats enough to fuckin matter

King Imp

07-14-2006, 08:05 PM

2000 Presidential Election Al Gore - 51,003,926 George Bush - 50,460,110  One clearly wins, but the other gets into office because of an outdated Electoral College system. How is it that individual votes count again?

nevnut

07-14-2006, 08:09 PM

If it wasn't for the electoral college, everyone from New York and Califorina could decide the election for the rest of the country.

nevnut

07-14-2006, 08:13 PM

HBox

07-14-2006, 08:21 PM

Empty Space is George W. Bush's biggest constituency.

HBox

07-14-2006, 08:25 PM

King Imp wrote: 2000 Presidential Election Al Gore - 51,003,926 George Bush - 50,460,110 One clearly wins, but the other gets into office because of an outdated Electoral College system. How is it that individual votes count again?   Yeah, because there's no such thing as The House of Representatives, The US Senate, your state government and your local government. You REALLY need to start spending more than 5 seconds thinking about these issues.

narc

07-14-2006, 08:26 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">nevnut wrote: If it wasn't for the electoral college, everyone from New York and Califorina could decide the election for the rest of the country.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

Except Texas has more electoral votes than NY now.

FezPaul

07-14-2006, 08:29 PM

HBox wrote: Empty Space is George W. Bush's biggest constituency. Then explain why Coconino County, where I live (which contains part of the Grand Canyon, and vast amounts of empty desert) is blue.

HBox

07-14-2006, 08:32 PM

FezPaul wrote: HBox wrote: Empty Space is George W. Bush's biggest constituency. Then explain why Coconino County, where I live (which contains part of the Grand Canyon, and vast amounts of empty desert) is blue.  That doesn't mean he has a monopoly on it.What's the matter? I thought you liked these smart ass, useless comments?

nevnut

07-14-2006, 08:33 PM

FezPaul wrote: HBox wrote: Empty Space is George W. Bush's biggest constituency. Then explain why Coconino County, where I live (which contains part of the Grand Canyon, and vast amounts of empty desert) is blue. <img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/nevnut/tree20huggers20stepanie.jpg" border="0" />

narc

07-14-2006, 08:36 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">nevnut wrote: FezPaul wrote: HBox wrote: Empty Space is George W. Bush's biggest constituency. Then explain why Coconino County, where I live (which contains part of the Grand Canyon, and vast amounts of empty desert) is blue. <img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/nevnut/tree20huggers20stepanie.jpg" border="0" /><hr color="cococo" align="left">

That certainly explains all of Vermont, most of Oregon and the Bay Area.

FezPaul

07-14-2006, 08:36 PM

HBox wrote:  FezPaul wrote: HBox wrote: Empty Space is George W. Bush's biggest constituency. Then explain why Coconino County, where I live (which contains part of the Grand Canyon, and vast amounts of empty desert) is blue.  That doesn't mean he has a monopoly on it. What's the matter? I thought you liked these smart ass, useless comments?I was making a smart ass, useless comment.  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" />

tele7

07-14-2006, 08:41 PM

nevnut wrote: FezPaul wrote: HBox wrote: Empty Space is George W. Bush's biggest constituency. Then explain why Coconino County, where I live (which contains part of the Grand Canyon, and vast amounts of empty desert) is blue. <img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/nevnut/tree20huggers20stepanie.jpg" border="0" />Cactus huggers?

drizzle

07-14-2006, 10:22 PM

nevnut wrote: If it wasn't for the electoral college, everyone from New York and Califorina could decide the election for the rest of the country. And they should at this point.  It's better then the midwest and south picking.

spoon

07-14-2006, 10:33 PM

Easy guys, I think he was on to something!<img src="http://www.starwares.com/thumbnails/14-21306-70424.jpg" border="0" />

spoon

07-14-2006, 10:38 PM

tele7

07-14-2006, 10:42 PM

Say "vote for Pedro" and you lose a testicle.<img src="http://www.movieactors.com/freezeframes5/ferris659.jpeg" border="0" />

spoon

07-14-2006, 10:45 PM

That movie fuckin blew.

tele7

07-14-2006, 10:50 PM

Which one? 

HeyGuy

07-14-2006, 11:42 PM

spoon wrote: And by the way, looks like Ant is hooked now!Hide your wallet, someone is coming for your dinero!You are correct sir, I do believe I'm hooked. Now if I only listen to Ron n Fez then I would be complete!

HeyGuy

07-14-2006, 11:51 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: I have voted in every election since I was old enough, except the last NJ Govenor's election.I think King Imp just meant that it IS a 2 party system even if no one wants to admit it, and when both choices are equally shitty, why bother voting?  We lose either way.It's a defeatist attitude, but it's easy to get discouraged when you see both sides fucking you over. <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa">Your right that having only 2 main parties suck, but you need to see which side represents you best. I'm not a dem or a rep I'm a libertarian. For those of you who don’t know the libertarian party is fiscally conservative but very liberal on personal and life issues. Since there is never a libertarian candidate to vote for that can win because of the 2 party system. I vote based on who I like best, mostly Dem but if a Republican like Rudy runs I will vote for that type. <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa">So to just not vote is stupid more people should take the country serious and vote. This is the most important thing Americans can do for their country.

PapaBear

07-14-2006, 11:59 PM

I vote.... <img height="655" src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/snowmaninva66/post/votingvictorycopy.jpg" width="529" border="0" />I know. My rants about voting get old after a while. I don't give a shit. I'm a felon, and I vote.

nevnut

07-15-2006, 04:44 AM

drizzle wrote: nevnut wrote: If it wasn't for the electoral college, everyone from New York and Califorina could decide the election for the rest of the country. And they should at this point.  It's better then the midwest and south picking.That almost sounds racist.

HeyGuy

07-15-2006, 05:26 AM

nevnut wrote: drizzle wrote: nevnut wrote: If it wasn't for the electoral college, everyone from New York and Califorina could decide the election for the rest of the country. And they should at this point.  It's better then the midwest and south picking.That almost sounds racist. Doesn't sound racist to me. But does sound like a good idea. Think about it, most political decision affect the big cities, populated cities.<table border="0"><tr><td valign="top">.</td><td><img height="135" alt="racist" src="http://img.tfd.com/dict/109/819230-racist.gif" width="114" align="right" border="0" />racist - a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others</td></tr></table>Sounds more like locationist (I know not a word but whatever)

TheQuestion

07-15-2006, 05:39 AM

The 2004 Presidential Election broken down by county. Obviously, Red = Bush,  Blue =  Kerry <img border="0" src="http://www.ontheissues.org/askme/Election_By_County_2004.jpg" /> 

This message was edited by TheQuestion on 7-15-06 @ 9:40 AM

HeyGuy

07-15-2006, 05:49 AM

TheQuestion wrote: The 2004 Presidential Election broken down by county. Obviously, Red = Bush,  Blue =  Kerry <img src="http://www.ontheissues.org/askme/Election_By_County_2004.jpg" border="0" />   This message was edited by TheQuestion on 7-15-06 @ 9:40 AM Everywhere its Blue seems to me to be a fun city with open minded people, you know a fun place to live. The red areas look like the places were racism, hatred and religious maniacs and very boring places to live. Just my opinion.

CuzBum

07-15-2006, 05:58 AM

nevnut

07-15-2006, 05:59 AM

CampoNJ wrote: TheQuestion wrote: The 2004 Presidential Election broken down by county. Obviously, Red = Bush,  Blue =  Kerry <img src="http://www.ontheissues.org/askme/Election_By_County_2004.jpg" border="0" />   This message was edited by TheQuestion on 7-15-06 @ 9:40 AM Everywhere its Blue seems to me to be a fun city with open minded people, you know a fun place to live. The red areas look like the places were racism, hatred and religious maniacs and very boring places to live. Just my opinion.You guys spend way too much time in the city.  Most things that bode well in the city don't in the rest of the country.  I live in Nevada, there is no racism, there is no high crime (except Vegas), there is no high taxes, there is no hatred, the only real religious manics are in SLC, Ut and there is lot of fun things to do if you go out and look for them (hunting,fishing,treasure hunting,hiking,etc.)

HeyGuy

07-15-2006, 06:03 AM

nevnut wrote: CampoNJ wrote: TheQuestion wrote: The 2004 Presidential Election broken down by county. Obviously, Red = Bush,  Blue =  Kerry <img src="http://www.ontheissues.org/askme/Election_By_County_2004.jpg" border="0" />   This message was edited by TheQuestion on 7-15-06 @ 9:40 AM Everywhere its Blue seems to me to be a fun city with open minded people, you know a fun place to live. The red areas look like the places were racism, hatred and religious maniacs and very boring places to live. Just my opinion.You guys spend way too much time in the city.  Most things that bode well in the city don't in the rest of the country.  I live in Nevada, there is no racism, there is no high crime (except Vegas), there is no high taxes, there is no hatred, the only real religious manics are in SLC, Ut and there is lot of fun things to do if you go out and look for them (hunting,fishing,treasure hunting,hiking,etc.)Well we will have to agree to disagree. Because hunting, treasure hunting and hiking do not sound like fun to me. If you live in Nevada (which I may be moving to LV) I would goto Vegas, gamble, go to clubs, strip clubs maybe even go get a high priced hooker at the buny ranch. Now that sounds like fun.

nevnut

07-15-2006, 06:04 AM

Social disease sounds like so much fun.

HeyGuy

07-15-2006, 07:54 AM

nevnut wrote: Social disease sounds like so much fun. ?????

FezPaul

07-15-2006, 08:05 AM

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/Election_By_County_2004.jpg

Don Stugots

07-15-2006, 08:12 AM

CampoNJ wrote: Everywhere its Blue seems to me to be a fun city with open minded people, you know a fun place to live. The red areas look like the places were racism, hatred and religious maniacs and very boring places to live. Just my opinion.separatist

Death Metal Moe

07-15-2006, 08:16 AM

FezPaul wrote: <img src="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/Election_By_County_2004.jpg" border="0" /> <img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/njdmmoe/CP.jpg" border="0" />

spoon

07-15-2006, 12:19 PM

Speaking of racist, any one going to this thing?  Talk about superiority complex, calling themselves the "amazing race"!<a href="http://wcbstv.com/contests/local_story_174104920.html">http://wcbstv.com/contests/local_story_174104920.html</a>

narc

07-15-2006, 01:34 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">STUGOTS1 wrote: CampoNJ wrote: Everywhere its Blue seems to me to be a fun city with open minded people, you know a fun place to live. The red areas look like the places were racism, hatred and religious maniacs and very boring places to live. Just my opinion.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

That's just ignorant. You definitely need to get out of the NY metro area. 
And how do you account for the fact that Texas, which has the second highest population of any state next to California, and Houston, which is the third largest city by population in the country, are both solidly red? 
P.S. - A social disease is a venereal disease.

spoon

07-15-2006, 02:02 PM

nevnut wrote: Social disease sounds like so much fun. Shutup you dirty hippie!<img src="http://live.quizilla.com/user_images/S/SH/SHU/ShunShine/1134515218_resCartman.jpg" border="0" />

HeyGuy

07-15-2006, 03:26 PM

narc wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: CampoNJ wrote: Everywhere its Blue seems to me to be a fun city with open minded people, you know a fun place to live. The red areas look like the places were racism, hatred and religious maniacs and very boring places to live. Just my opinion.  That's just ignorant. You definitely need to get out of the NY metro area. And how do you account for the fact that Texas, which has the second highest population of any state next to California, and Houston, which is the third largest city by population in the country, are both solidly red? P.S. - A social disease is a venereal disease. Look at your map of texas and see the lower corner is all blue? Well thats the area that has a clue the rest of the area is full of bushit!

suggums

07-15-2006, 03:29 PM

rockos modern life got it right<img width="320" height="256" border="0" src="http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-9/840501/Conglomo.JPG" /> fucked politically either way til we change this

docgoblin

07-15-2006, 03:48 PM

CampoNJ wrote: narc wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: CampoNJ wrote: Everywhere its Blue seems to me to be a fun city with open minded people, you know a fun place to live. The red areas look like the places were racism, hatred and religious maniacs and very boring places to live. Just my opinion. That's just ignorant. You definitely need to get out of the NY metro area. And how do you account for the fact that Texas, which has the second highest population of any state next to California, and Houston, which is the third largest city by population in the country, are both solidly red? P.S. - A social disease is a venereal disease. Look at your map of texas and see the lower corner is all blue? Well thats the area that has a clue the rest of the area is full of bushit!  Isn't that the area where all the "undocumented" folks take up residence?

narc

07-15-2006, 07:20 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">docgoblin wrote: CampoNJ wrote: narc wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: CampoNJ wrote: Everywhere its Blue seems to me to be a fun city with open minded people, you know a fun place to live. The red areas look like the places were racism, hatred and religious maniacs and very boring places to live. Just my opinion. That's just ignorant. You definitely need to get out of the NY metro area. And how do you account for the fact that Texas, which has the second highest population of any state next to California, and Houston, which is the third largest city by population in the country, are both solidly red? P.S. - A social disease is a venereal disease. Look at your map of texas and see the lower corner is all blue? Well thats the area that has a clue the rest of the area is full of bushit! Isn't that the area where all the "undocumented" folks take up residence? <hr color="cococo" align="left">

Yes. The only blue areas of Texas are that and Austin. My point is that that Southern area there certainly has plenty of racists and bible thumpers, and isn't particularly urban. I guarantee he'd be miserable if he had to spend a week there. Yet it's blue. 
Also look at San Diego and Cincinnati. Both solidly red. Both real cities. Both just happen to be very Republican historically.

IamFogHat

07-15-2006, 07:56 PM

I'm a registered (and diehard) Libertarian, and to be honest, in todays climate, republicans, and democrats alike, can suck my cock.Don't worry, I'm sure in like fifty or a 100 years libertarians will be just as corrupt and if I would be alive then I'd be telling them to fuck off.

spoon

07-15-2006, 08:06 PM

San Diego is a navy stronghold and has been red for a long time.  Yet in recent polling, it's been coming up blue.  And fuck Cinncy, it's a hole!

Death Metal Moe

07-15-2006, 08:09 PM

Republicans amaze me!OH, so you've seen Karl Rove's card tricks too?

narc

07-15-2006, 09:16 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">spoon wrote: San Diego is a navy stronghold and has been red for a long time. Yet in recent polling, it's been coming up blue. And fuck Cinncy, it's a hole!<hr color="cococo" align="left">
That's what I'm saying though. Different places have different reasons for being red, and it's not because they're bible-thumping racist farmers. Your friend there sounds like if MoveOn.org joined rf.net.

HBox

07-15-2006, 09:18 PM

Republicans are stoopid and ugly and smell like doody and I don't like them.

spoon

07-15-2006, 09:59 PM

I like to call'em "Republican'ts"!  Waka Waka!<img src="http://mediablog.mail2web.com/joshb/media/get_file.media?filename=16198.jpg&folder=62&account_id=192&scale=320&ne=1" border="0" />

nevnut

07-15-2006, 10:55 PM

spoon wrote: nevnut wrote: Social disease sounds like so much fun. Shutup you dirty hippie!<img src="http://live.quizilla.com/user_images/S/SH/SHU/ShunShine/1134515218_resCartman.jpg" border="0" />Just because I have a Dead logo in my sigpic doesn't make me a dirty hippie. I don't knock your lifestyle and your welcome to come to Nevada anytime and lick my ball sack.And I just washed them by the way, so they are nice and clean for ya'.

This message was edited by nevnut on 7-16-06 @ 2:57 AM

spoon

07-15-2006, 11:36 PM

Jesus Christ, can't you hear! <img src="http://live.quizilla.com/user_images/S/SH/SHU/ShunShine/1134515218_resCartman.jpg" border="0" />

HBox

07-15-2006, 11:45 PM

"See that. Hippies. These are what we call the giggling stoners. Pretty common form of hippies, usually found in attics."

spoon

07-16-2006, 03:07 AM

Very nice!<img src="http://www.spscriptorium.com/SPMedia/2337a.jpg" border="0" /><img height="360" src="http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/902/9022_hippie_drill.jpg" width="600" border="0" />

This message was edited by spoon on 7-16-06 @ 7:34 AM

spoon

07-16-2006, 03:12 AM

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN0lToJEkvg&search=cartman%20hippie">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN0lToJEkvg&search=cartman%20hippie</a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxg7t_v9vhQ&search=cartman%20hippie">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxg7t_v9vhQ&search=cartman%20hippie</a>

Reephdweller

07-16-2006, 05:05 AM

I think both Bush and Clinton should have been impeached. Granted I'd probably vote for Bill Clinton now, I stil felt in his last term that he deserved to be impeached. Though I think if he ran again he'd likely do a very good job, I agree with a lot of what he has said since he left office and I think he has a better perspective on things now.As for republicans, I've largely voted for them for a long time up until the last election. On occasion voting for democrats and some independents, though this time around I will likely sit the election out and could care less if they all get booted out.<img height="480" src="http://jitcrunch.cafepress.com/jitcrunch.aspx?bG9hZD1ibGFuayxibGFuazo3N19GX28yLmp wZ3xsb2FkPUwwLGh0dHA6Ly9pbWFnZXMuY2FmZXByZXNzLmNvb S9pbWFnZS80NDMwNTgwXzQwMHg0MDAuanBnfHxzY2FsZT1MMCw yODYsNDIwLFdoaXRlfGNvbXBvc2U9YmxhbmssTDAsQWRkLDg3L DI5fGxvYWQ9bWFzayxibGFuazo3N19GX21hc2tfbzIuanBnfGN vbXBvc2U9YmxhbmssbWFzayxNYXNrLDAsMHxjcD1yZXN1bHQsY mxhbmt8c2NhbGU9cmVzdWx0LDAsNDgwLFdoaXRlfGxvYWQ9c2F tcGxlLGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuY2FmZXByZXNzLmNvbS9jb250ZW50L 2dsb2JhbC9pbWcvc2FtcGxlX2NydW5jaF9vdmVybGF5LmdpZnx zY2FsZT1zYW1wbGUsMCw0ODAsV2hpdGV8Y29tcG9zZT1yZXN1b HQsc2FtcGxlLEFkZCwwLDB8Y29tcHJlc3Npb249OTV8" width="480" border="0" />

HeyGuy

07-16-2006, 05:53 AM

HBox wrote: Republicans are stoopid and ugly and smell like doody and I don't like them. And you sound like a card member of Faux News

HeyGuy

07-16-2006, 06:03 AM

Reefdweller wrote: I think both Bush and Clinton should have been impeached. Granted I'd probably vote for Bill Clinton now, I stil felt in his last term that he deserved to be impeached. Though I think if he ran again he'd likely do a very good job, I agree with a lot of what he has said since he left office and I think he has a better perspective on things now.As for republicans, I've largely voted for them for a long time up until the last election. On occasion voting for democrats and some independents, though this time around I will likely sit the election out and could care less if they all get booted out.<img height="480" src="http://jitcrunch.cafepress.com/jitcrunch.aspx?bG9hZD1ibGFuayxibGFuazo3N19GX28yLmp wZ3xsb2FkPUwwLGh0dHA6Ly9pbWFnZXMuY2FmZXByZXNzLmNvb S9pbWFnZS80NDMwNTgwXzQwMHg0MDAuanBnfHxzY2FsZT1MMCw yODYsNDIwLFdoaXRlfGNvbXBvc2U9YmxhbmssTDAsQWRkLDg3L DI5fGxvYWQ9bWFzayxibGFuazo3N19GX21hc2tfbzIuanBnfGN vbXBvc2U9YmxhbmssbWFzayxNYXNrLDAsMHxjcD1yZXN1bHQsY mxhbmt8c2NhbGU9cmVzdWx0LDAsNDgwLFdoaXRlfGxvYWQ9c2F tcGxlLGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuY2FmZXByZXNzLmNvbS9jb250ZW50L 2dsb2JhbC9pbWcvc2FtcGxlX2NydW5jaF9vdmVybGF5LmdpZnx zY2FsZT1zYW1wbGUsMCw0ODAsV2hpdGV8Y29tcG9zZT1yZXN1b HQsc2FtcGxlLEFkZCwwLDB8Y29tcHJlc3Npb249OTV8" width="480" border="0" />See I have to disagree with you. The only thing Clinton did wrong was lie about getting a blow job under oath. This was to protect his family, personal life. Most Anyone would have lied under oath to protect that. Thats why his approval rating was still 70% even after the scandal, because most Americans didnt care. Most Americans wanted to vote for him for a 3rd term but it wasnt allowed. No one could understand why the republicans spent 40 millon to go after him.  Now onto Bush. The moral party (republicans, lol) They lie under oath and have done so much to put our country in jeopardy. The world hates us Under Bush, he has done everything to undermind our constitution. The only reason he hasnt been on tril for impeachment is republicans run the house and the senate so the dems dont have the votes t start a trial. Recently Faux News did a vote and Clinton came in 2nd for best president ever. Now I may not agree hes 2nd but isnt it funny that faux news poll even had him 2nd. Bush came in first place as the worst president. Yet Faux news only mentioned that once.

TheMojoPin

07-16-2006, 06:12 AM

It doesn't matter how many times you say it..."Faux News" is neither clever nor funny.

Reephdweller

07-16-2006, 06:36 AM

See I have to disagree with you. The only thing Clinton did wrong was lie about getting a blow job under oath. This was to protect his family, personal life. I don't have a problem with him lying actually, and I understand that part of it. My issue is more to with him putting himself in that position to begin with. To risk the presidency over feeling horny is just a bad judgement call is the way I feel about it. I'm not saying he's wrong to have wanted a blowjob or anything, though he should have considered the situation he was putting himself in.

HeyGuy

07-16-2006, 06:43 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: It doesn't matter how many times you say it..."Faux News" is neither clever nor funny. And it doesnt matter how many times your say it isnt funny I and many others will still post it. I dont think its funny, I just think its true.

HeyGuy

07-16-2006, 06:44 AM

Reefdweller wrote:  See I have to disagree with you. The only thing Clinton did wrong was lie about getting a blow job under oath. This was to protect his family, personal life.  I don't have a problem with him lying actually, and I understand that part of it. My issue is more to with him putting himself in that position to begin with. To risk the presidency over feeling horny is just a bad judgement call is the way I feel about it. I'm not saying he's wrong to have wanted a blowjob or anything, though he should have considered the situation he was putting himself in.I def agree with you, he shouldnt have put himself in that position. But then again alot of presidents have. He just got caught due to the republican and faux news witch hunt

FezPaul

07-16-2006, 06:46 AM

CampoNJ wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: It doesn't matter how many times you say it..."Faux News" is neither clever nor funny. And it doesnt matter how many times your say it isnt funny I and many others will still post it. I dont think its funny, I just think its true.I think it's racist to make fun of the way black people pronounce the number four.

furie

07-16-2006, 11:35 AM

8. Violating the due process and other constitutional rights of thousands of citizens and legal residents by rounding them up and disappearing or deporting them without hearings.

What?

furie

07-16-2006, 11:40 AM

HBox wrote: Empty Space is George W. Bush's biggest constituency. 
you are a comic genius

Death Metal Moe

07-16-2006, 11:44 AM

furie wrote: 8. Violating the due process and other constitutional rights of thousands of citizens and legal residents by rounding them up and disappearing or deporting them without hearings. What?  You're not sick and tired of the way Bush has been disappearing people?

spoon

07-16-2006, 01:24 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: It doesn't matter how many times you say it..."Faux News" is neither clever nor funny. Yet always true.  Trust in the Meerspider! <img src="http://www.worth1000.com/entries/92000/92315WDfc_w.jpg" border="0" />

Death Metal Moe

07-16-2006, 01:54 PM

Republicans amaze me! Me too!I once say Senator Conrad Burns of Montana eat an entire 58 ounce steak in one sitting, then finish off his meal with a conservative bowl of sherbet.

narc

07-16-2006, 02:10 PM

A few things. 
A lot of the rest of the world has hated us for at least the past 40 - 50 years. It was slightly muted before because they were also afraid of the Russians. Now there's nobody left to hate. France has been more open about hating us for at least that long though. Do some research into Charles DeGaulle and his policies towards the U.S. I grew up near Canada, and as far back as I can remember, they've always had a superior attitude too. All of that predated George W. Bush. Even though he certainly hasn't helped. 
I don't think that Fox News was the driving force behind Bill Clinton's impeachment because a lot of the country didn't even get Fox News until after he was impeached. I certainly didn't. And it was nowhere near as influential as it is now. CNN was still top dog at that point among the cable news channels. 
Before you come out saying you dislike Bush because he trod upon the Constitution, why don't you back it up with facts, instead of just saying that he did?

HBox

07-16-2006, 02:13 PM

narc

07-16-2006, 02:14 PM

I like the expression on Cheney's face in the second picture. he seems so nonplussed.

Ogre

07-16-2006, 02:55 PM

So here it is.  We still piss and moan amongst ourselves, while the corporate giants get stronger.  This isn't a Republican/Democrat issue.  This is an issue of the classes.  Find me one Democrat that cries for the poor that actually lives among the poor.  They live in gated communities and million dollar brownstones.  Find me one Republican that talks about Immigration reform that did not take a large campaign donation from Big Business (BB loves cheap labor).  I challange you this upcoming election.  Find a canidate that you are interested in.  Record his/her platform/promises.  After 18 months or so see what they stick to.  Odds are not much of what they promise gets done.  Meanwhile they win thier game of divide and conquer.  We are so busy mocking one another's "Parties" and getting caught up in the rhetoric, we forget what we were promised. That is, a better way of life than the rest of the world and a government that protects our common good.  I do not have any easy answers or quick whitted remarks on this issue.  I do think the things we can do is stay involved, think for ourselves and hold these fuckers accountable.  If you lie to the Grand Jury about anything and you are a public official with the public trust, it doesn't matter if it's about a billion dollar bribe or a blow-job, it is still a lie.  We trust in these people to be of a higher moral fabric than the average Joe.  If you do not like the way things are today then vote.  Hopefully this time we can get more votes in the General Elections than on American Idol.  It is up to us people."We are Mad as Hell and we are not going to take it anymore"Oh yeah all of you big city folk that think you have more value, are smarter, and are more important than the rest of the Nation, are just plain ignorant.  When Mexico invades from the South and the Muslims capture Detroit, some of you snivilin city slickers will be wishing you could shoot a rifle or live off the land.  I'm just sayin....

TheQuestion

07-16-2006, 03:24 PM

nevnut is a hippie?Gross.

scottinnj

07-16-2006, 03:24 PM

I don't know why we amaze you so much.  Everything in your post was straight out of the wacky Air America Randi Rhodes playbook, so our reaction to your stupidity shouldn't amaze you, you should see it coming from a mile away.Do me a favor, vote with the "special" Diebold machines we have set up in your district.

spoon

07-16-2006, 03:26 PM

Your just saying what?  A dumb fucking statement that proves so many of our points?  Remember the Alamo!<img src="http://www.culturalresources.com/images/Alamo.jpg" border="0" />

scottinnj

07-16-2006, 03:28 PM

narc wrote: I like the expression on Cheney's face in the second picture. he seems so nonplussed. Why won't the pic I'm quoting show up?  I had a great homophobic comment, and DAMMIT the first amendment says I CAN SAY IT! 

This message was edited by scottinnj on 7-16-06 @ 7:30 PM

spoon

07-16-2006, 03:28 PM

scottinnj wrote: I don't know why we amaze you so much.  Everything in your post was straight out of the wacky Air America Randi Rhodes playbook, so our reaction to your stupidity shouldn't amaze you, you should see it coming from a mile away.Do me a favor, vote with the "special" Diebold machines we have set up in your district.    I guess by "wacky" you mean facts.  And that "wacky Air America Randi Rhodes playbook" is the Jets ticket back into the playoffs mister!

narc

07-16-2006, 03:28 PM

I say remember the Zimmerman Telegram.

Ogre

07-16-2006, 03:29 PM

Snoogans wrote: but its not the system that makes it a 2 party system, its the fuckin idiot conformists who vote. Most people who vote by party are not going to vote any other way no matter what cause they dont listen or care about the issues, thats what they are. Things wont change until people actually start to make up their own minds and then VOTE how they should. When the smart people who actually think stop voting, nothing will ever be fixed cause that leaves only the idiots causing the problems to vote. If everyone who just said fuck voting went out and just voted independant, they would get funding and into debates and something might actually change Amen

spoon

07-16-2006, 03:29 PM

scottinnj wrote:     narc wrote: I like the expression on Cheney's face in the second picture. he seems so nonplussed.      So you're mad at bush because your a fag? Say it ain't so? What?

narc

07-16-2006, 03:30 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">scottinnj wrote: narc wrote: I like the expression on Cheney's face in the second picture. he seems so nonplussed. <blockquote /> So you're mad at bush because your a fag? Say it ain't so? <hr color="cococo" align="left">
No. I just found the picture funny.

scottinnj

07-16-2006, 03:31 PM

Besides who gives a fuck about the locals anyway?  The Dems in Chicago slashed the tires of the vans Republicans were using to "get out the vote"  Didn't see you get upset over that one shitdick.

Ogre

07-16-2006, 03:40 PM

spoon wrote: Your just saying what?  A dumb fucking statement that proves so many of our points?  Remember the Alamo!<img src="http://www.culturalresources.com/images/Alamo.jpg" border="0" />What I am saying is that there is more to this country than Jersey.  What I am saying is think for yourself, quit being sheep.  So what I can't post my opinion.  All Hail Spoon.  Fuck you asshole I have a right to my opinion too. Go back to lickin your batch rag.

HeyGuy

07-16-2006, 03:41 PM

scottinnj wrote:  Besides who gives a fuck about the locals anyway?  The Dems in Chicago slashed the tires of the vans Republicans were using to "get out the vote"  Didn't see you get upset over that one shitdick. No proof it was dems that did it. It could have been kids. But even if it was that doesnt compare to balet machines being fucked up. Calling minority homes telling them the election was next tuesday not today etc. Republicans think they are moral and spew shit all the time. The difference is they are closet freaks and talk shit to sound moral but are worse then dems would ever be. Us liberal types are out in the open about all the nasty shit we like and do.

scottinnj

07-16-2006, 03:41 PM

So did I..I'm trying to be a total ass on this board.  How am I doing so far?

scottinnj

07-16-2006, 03:44 PM

You are truly stupid to think that Rs do all the evil in local elections, and its just "kids" when it comes to Dems.  You are truly brainwashed, and I am glad you have XM to get your Air America fix.  Jim Jones would have loved having you in his congregation. I'm an asshole, but you are stupid.

Death Metal Moe

07-16-2006, 03:44 PM

Ogre wrote: spoon wrote: Your just saying what?  A dumb fucking statement that proves so many of our points?  Remember the Alamo!<img src="http://www.culturalresources.com/images/Alamo.jpg" border="0" />What I am saying is that there is more to this country than Jersey.  What I am saying is think for yourself, quit being sheep.  So what I can't post my opinion.  All Hail Spoon.  Fuck you asshole I have a right to my opinion too. Go back to lickin your batch rag.I'm no Spoon fan, but you have nothing.  He's actually impressed me with his knowledge on this topic and you rebutt with that kinda shit?  If you can't discuss topics then don't. Oh, and...NJ OWNS YOU BIATCH!

scottinnj

07-16-2006, 03:46 PM

It was just a bunch of kids fucking up the ballot boxes.  According to you, it was just the voting gremilin!  So why not on both sides?

narc

07-16-2006, 03:59 PM

I don't know how any of what Ogre said proved any of Spoon's points.

Death Metal Moe

07-16-2006, 04:00 PM

narc wrote: I don't know how any of what Ogre said proved any of Spoon's points. Well his last response showed he wasn't really interested in discussing anything with Spoon.

narc

07-16-2006, 04:03 PM

I don't know. I don't think Spoon's statement showed he was interested in discussing anything either. He just called Ogre's statement fucking dumb. 
I'm just bored with people not being able to discuss politics civilly.

Death Metal Moe

07-16-2006, 04:05 PM

narc wrote: I don't know. I don't think Spoon's statement showed he was interested in discussing anything either. He just called Ogre's statement fucking dumb. I'm just bored with people not being able to discuss politics civilly. Agreed on your last point.  The Ogre/Spoon thing is between them, I just stated my opinion. I personally will be voting for ANYTHING BUT A REPUBLICAN this election.  So you already know who Death Metal Moe is voting for.  If you can get one of your asshole buddies who usually doesn't vote to register and vote Republican, you've counteracted my vote.

Ogre

07-16-2006, 04:06 PM

So I guess if the opinion inserted is not up to Spoon and Moe's standard than it's not worthy?  So who made you guys the judges of who's opinion counts?  All I was saying was son't believe the hype on either side and the Northesastern U.S. does not speak for the entire country.   But I guess that's not edgy enough for you guys.  Have fun in fantasyland.

spoon

07-16-2006, 04:09 PM

scottinnj wrote:  Besides who gives a fuck about the locals anyway?  The Dems in Chicago slashed the tires of the vans Republicans were using to "get out the vote"  Didn't see you get upset over that one shitdick. You need to pay attention "shitdick".  I'm on the hate'em all train, but think the Dems are the lesser evil right now and we at least need some balance of power again.  And I doubt very much the Repubs wanted to get the vote out in Chicago which is highly Dem territory.  Most people believe now that the Repubs did it themselves as a smokescreen/dilutent to all the other shit clouding their image.  I'm no die-hard dem you douche, but you sure as hell sound like the follower you speak of.  Come with some facts, not just the bullshit you keep typing.  Oh and here's a shocker, I'm not from NJ so nice rip to Ogre.

Death Metal Moe

07-16-2006, 04:10 PM

Ogre wrote: So I guess if the opinion inserted is not up to Spoon and Moe's standard than it's not worthy?  So who made you guys the judges of who's opinion counts?  All I was saying was son't believe the hype on either side and the Northesastern U.S. does not speak for the entire country.   But I guess that's not edgy enough for you guys.  Have fun in fantasyland.Ehhh we don't agree with ya and right away ya gettin' fuckin' fresh!

spoon

07-16-2006, 04:13 PM

Ogre wrote: spoon wrote: Your just saying what?  A dumb fucking statement that proves so many of our points?  Remember the Alamo!<img src="http://www.culturalresources.com/images/Alamo.jpg" border="0" />What I am saying is that there is more to this country than Jersey.  What I am saying is think for yourself, quit being sheep.  So what I can't post my opinion.  All Hail Spoon.  Fuck you asshole I have a right to my opinion too. Go back to lickin your batch rag.Listen, your statement on Mexico invading and Detroit going awol was fucking stupid!  No debate needed.  Other then that, post away <strike>but don't expect me</strike> but don't expect stupid shit to slide. (Thanks FezPaul)  I expect nothing less the other way around.  Now chill the fuck out and keep throwing your stupid opinions  around like monkey feces.

This message was edited by spoon on 7-16-06 @ 8:23 PM

CuzBum

07-16-2006, 04:15 PM

monkey feces<img src="http://www.cflradio.net/ron-fez_marie_whatley.jpg" border="0" />"Theses, THESES!"

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FezPaul

07-16-2006, 04:16 PM

spoon wrote: don't expect me to rip your ass for sttupid shit.  Does that mean you won't be ripping his ass for stupid shit?

spoon

07-16-2006, 04:21 PM

narc wrote: I don't know. I don't think Spoon's statement showed he was interested in discussing anything either. He just called Ogre's statement fucking dumb. I'm just bored with people not being able to discuss politics civilly. Other than this, "When Mexico invades from the South and the Muslims capture Detroit, some of you snivilin city slickers will be wishing you could shoot a rifle or live off the land.  I'm just sayin...."I pretty much agree with Ogre so perhaps you both should reread the fucking thread.  That statement was and still is fucking dumb.  No questions.  So go on to Wiggles.com and have your potty mouth free chat.

CuzBum

07-16-2006, 04:25 PM

spoon wrote: narc wrote: I don't know. I don't think Spoon's statement showed he was interested in discussing anything either. He just called Ogre's statement fucking dumb. I'm just bored with people not being able to discuss politics civilly. Other than this, "When Mexico invades from the South and the Muslims capture Detroit, some of you snivilin city slickers will be wishing you could shoot a rifle or live off the land.  I'm just sayin...."I pretty much agree with Ogre so perhaps you both should reread the fucking thread.  That statement was and still is fucking dumb.  No questions.  So go on to Wiggles.com and have your potty mouth free chat.  Is it not possible at all that he was intentionally making an outlandish statement in order to prove a point?

spoon

07-16-2006, 04:25 PM

FezPaul for Ronfez.net Official Editor!

I'll head the campaign, but it promises to be a dirty one in honor of this thread.

spoon

07-16-2006, 04:26 PM

CuzBum wrote: spoon wrote: narc wrote: I don't know. I don't think Spoon's statement showed he was interested in discussing anything either. He just called Ogre's statement fucking dumb. I'm just bored with people not being able to discuss politics civilly. Other than this, "When Mexico invades from the South and the Muslims capture Detroit, some of you snivilin city slickers will be wishing you could shoot a rifle or live off the land.  I'm just sayin...."I pretty much agree with Ogre so perhaps you both should reread the fucking thread.  That statement was and still is fucking dumb.  No questions.  So go on to Wiggles.com and have your potty mouth free chat.  Is it not possible at all that he was intentionally making an outlandish statement in order to prove a point?Doesn't matter, still stupid.  Possibly worse.

CuzBum

07-16-2006, 04:33 PM

Doesn't matter, still stupid.  Possibly worse.I've been written off once again . . . <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/down.gif" border="0" />

FezPaul

07-16-2006, 04:33 PM

spoon wrote: FezPaul for Ronfez.net Official Editor! I'll head the campaign, but it promises to be a dirty one in honor of this thread. I know I can count on you, Torker, and STUGOTS1.

HBox

07-16-2006, 04:39 PM

Find me one Democrat that cries for the poor that actually lives among the poor.<img width="152" height="152" border="0" src="http://www.brtlawfirm.com/images/bio_booker.jpg" /> His name is Cory Booker, and he has been living in a housing project in Newark for years. He first ran for Mayor in 2002 and lost, was living there before then, and lived there until he was elected Mayor this year. He still might be living there.

Death Metal Moe

07-16-2006, 04:41 PM

One...

HBox

07-16-2006, 04:42 PM

He only asked for one.

FezPaul

07-16-2006, 04:44 PM

HBox wrote:  Find me one Democrat that cries for the poor that actually lives among the poor.  <img height="152" src="http://www.brtlawfirm.com/images/bio_booker.jpg" width="152" border="0" /> His name is Cory Booker, and he has been living in a housing project in Newark for years. He first ran for Mayor in 2002 and lost, was living there before then, and lived there until he was elected Mayor this year. He still might be living there.Assuming he hasn't been shot to death.

CuzBum

07-16-2006, 04:47 PM

HBox wrote:  Find me one Democrat that cries for the poor that actually lives among the poor.  <img height="152" src="http://www.brtlawfirm.com/images/bio_booker.jpg" width="152" border="0" /> His name is Cory Booker, and he has been living in a housing project in Newark for years. He first ran for Mayor in 2002 and lost, was living there before then, and lived there until he was elected Mayor this year. He still might be living there.There was a plot to assassinate him by some gang leaders.<a href="http://www.frostillustrated.com/news/2006/0712/News/005.html">http://www.frostillustrated.com/news/2006/0712/News/005.html</a>

HBox

07-16-2006, 04:48 PM

FezPaul wrote: HBox wrote: Find me one Democrat that cries for the poor that actually lives among the poor. <img width="152" height="152" border="0" src="http://www.brtlawfirm.com/images/bio_booker.jpg" /> His name is Cory Booker, and he has been living in a housing project in Newark for years. He first ran for Mayor in 2002 and lost, was living there before then, and lived there until he was elected Mayor this year. He still might be living there.Assuming he hasn't been shot to death. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.frostillustrated.com/news/2006/0712/News/005.html">Funny story.......... (DAMN! Beat to it!) </a><a target="_blank" href="http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_195075937.html">and another one.</a> 

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FezPaul

07-16-2006, 04:52 PM

"I just took off in a dead sprint - ripped my jacket off and ran after him with my security detail," Booker said. When asked what happened next, the mayor answered, "You're smiling because that's my embarrasing moment. That's when my security detail - which was flanking me - and behind, I saw it first, I took off first - they actually passed me from behind, and they got the suspect first."I wish I had a security detail.

CuzBum

07-16-2006, 04:55 PM

FezPaul wrote: "I just took off in a dead sprint - ripped my jacket off and ran after him with my security detail," Booker said. When asked what happened next, the mayor answered, "You're smiling because that's my embarrasing moment. That's when my security detail - which was flanking me - and behind, I saw it first, I took off first - they actually passed me from behind, and they got the suspect first."I wish I had a security detail.These boys are my security detail!<img src="http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~concuss/chenglong/pics/fists.jpg" border="0" />

Gvac

07-16-2006, 05:12 PM

I'd recognize those fists anywhere. <img border="0" src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0897500482.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" />

HeyGuy

07-16-2006, 05:18 PM

scottinnj wrote: It was just a bunch of kids fucking up the ballot boxes.  According to you, it was just the voting gremilin!  So why not on both sides? Your an idiot iwas joking saying it was kids. Dems and Reps are both fucked up but reps are much more fucked up by far.

narc

07-16-2006, 05:21 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">spoon wrote: narc wrote: I don't know. I don't think Spoon's statement showed he was interested in discussing anything either. He just called Ogre's statement fucking dumb. I'm just bored with people not being able to discuss politics civilly. Other than this, "When Mexico invades from the South and the Muslims capture Detroit, some of you snivilin city slickers will be wishing you could shoot a rifle or live off the land. I'm just sayin...."I pretty much agree with Ogre so perhaps you both should reread the fucking thread. That statement was and still is fucking dumb. No questions. So go on to Wiggles.com and have your potty mouth free chat. <hr color="cococo" align="left">

You're the one who needs to read carefully. I was the one who said I didn't see where you disagree that much. A guy exaggerates and you jump down his fucking throat for no apparent reason. 
And you can have a civil discussion using foul language. I don't know where you got potty mouth stuff from. This stuff is just bordering on personal. 
Plus, the Wiggles.com is disappointingly free of political content.

A.J.

07-17-2006, 04:56 AM

Ogre wrote:  When Mexico invades from the South and the Muslims capture Detroit, some of you snivilin city slickers will be wishing you could shoot a rifle or live off the land.  "WOLVERINES!!!!!"<img height="450" src="http://victoryatseaonline.com/war/otherwars/images/red-dawn.gif" width="244" border="0" />

Death Metal Moe

07-17-2006, 05:06 AM

I think they should put AIDS infected wolves on the border...wait a minute...

Jujubees2

07-17-2006, 06:47 AM

nevnut wrote: If it wasn't for the electoral college, everyone from New York and Califorina could decide the election for the rest of the country. So votes from people in NY and California should count less because we live in highly populated states?  How about within each state?  Living in New York City, my vote for governor counts the same as someone from Buffalo, even though there are a lot more people living in NYC.   The electoral college is an ancient artifact that needs to be done away with.  And we should have publicly financed elections so that the person with the most money doesn't always win.

This message was edited by Jujubees2 on 7-17-06 @ 11:03 AM

spoon

07-17-2006, 03:06 PM

narc wrote: spoon wrote: narc wrote: I don't know. I don't think Spoon's statement showed he was interested in discussing anything either. He just called Ogre's statement fucking dumb. I'm just bored with people not being able to discuss politics civilly. Other than this,"When Mexico invades from the South and the Muslims capture Detroit, some of you snivilin city slickers will be wishing you could shoot a rifle or live off the land. I'm just sayin...."I pretty much agree with Ogre so perhaps you both should reread the fucking thread. That statement was and still is fucking dumb. No questions. So go on to Wiggles.com and have your potty mouth free chat.  You're the one who needs to read carefully. I was the one who said I didn't see where you disagree that much. A guy exaggerates and you jump down his fucking throat for no apparent reason. And you can have a civil discussion using foul language. I don't know where you got potty mouth stuff from. This stuff is just bordering on personal. Plus, the Wiggles.com is disappointingly free of political content. Wrong.  You never really said anything like that.  What you said is listed above and is very different.  As for jumping down his throat, damn straight.  I thought it was stupid and was the actual derailing moment of this thread.  From one "snivilin city slicker" to another, we'd take those "cuntry" incest drunks out drive by style.  Ogre and his family/lovers can shoot their rifles and we'll continue to evolve with the times with more sophisticated weaponry .  He'll never have to worry about attacks in those parts though bc nobody gives a fucking shit.  Unless of course you count your own fucked up citizens (OK).  Now that's "not being able to discuss politics civilly".  CUT!

narc

07-17-2006, 03:45 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">spoon wrote: narc wrote: spoon wrote: narc wrote: I don't know. I don't think Spoon's statement showed he was interested in discussing anything either. He just called Ogre's statement fucking dumb. I'm just bored with people not being able to discuss politics civilly. Other than this,"When Mexico invades from the South and the Muslims capture Detroit, some of you snivilin city slickers will be wishing you could shoot a rifle or live off the land. I'm just sayin...."I pretty much agree with Ogre so perhaps you both should reread the fucking thread. That statement was and still is fucking dumb. No questions. So go on to Wiggles.com and have your potty mouth free chat. You're the one who needs to read carefully. I was the one who said I didn't see where you disagree that much. A guy exaggerates and you jump down his fucking throat for no apparent reason. And you can have a civil discussion using foul language. I don't know where you got potty mouth stuff from. This stuff is just bordering on personal. Plus, the Wiggles.com is disappointingly free of political content. Wrong. You never really said anything like that. What you said is listed above and is very different. As for jumping down his throat, damn straight. I thought it was stupid and was the actual derailing moment of this thread. From one "snivilin city slicker" to another, we'd take those "cuntry" incest drunks out drive by style. Ogre and his family/lovers can shoot their rifles and we'll continue to evolve with the times with more sophisticated weaponry . He'll never have to worry about attacks in those parts though bc nobody gives a fucking shit. Unless of course you count your own fucked up citizens (OK). Now that's "not being able to discuss politics civilly". CUT! <hr color="cococo" align="left">

Nice. And for the record, that's not the comment that I was referring too. It was my response before that where I said that I don't know how he proved any of your points because you guys didn't seem to disagree all that much. 
And by the way, if attacks happen in that part of the country, how long before Denver falls, and the Avalanche are playing in some sort of Mexican Hockey League? I don't know if you've ever seen Mexican hockey, but rest assured, it's not pretty.

spoon

07-17-2006, 11:18 PM

Two cups in the last ten years bitch!  How many does Buffalo have?  And does Buffalo mean "toe in the crease" in Cherokee?  Just wondering.  Now off to my Mexican hockey game, now with tequila!

spoon

07-17-2006, 11:34 PM

Viva Mexican Hockey!  Cool world hockey site listed below.<a href="http://www.tampere.fi/jaakiekkomuseo/emaailma_mex.htm">http://www.tampere.fi/jaakiekkomuseo/emaailma_mex.htm</a><img src="http://www.toonsonice.com/403UpdateImages/403HockeyGrannysMexicanCorn.jpg" border="0" />

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narc

07-17-2006, 11:51 PM

Ouch. Avs bought all their cups anyway.

spoon

07-18-2006, 12:06 AM

Never signed a free agent over a million bucks until Kariya and Selanne in 2003.  You my friend are thinking of the Red Wings.  The Avs have constantly been one of the best drafting teams in the league.  Hejduk, Drury, Liles, Svatos were all late picks just to name a few.  Here's what it looks like to actually win the cup!<img src="http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/3629/roy_pic/avsteam.jpg" border="0" /><img src="http://nhl.speedera.net/photos/a/avs_cup_celebrate_wide.jpg" border="0" />

narc

07-18-2006, 12:58 AM

But how much money were they spending on people (and still are spending on) Joe Sakic and Peter Forsberg every year? I understand they weren't free agents, and I was actually thankful when they moved to Colorado because Sakic was such a pain in the butt. 
I'm still a little surprised though that they didn't sign any expensive free agents. I did know about Hejduk and obviously Drury.

Ogre

07-18-2006, 09:23 AM

spoon wrote: Wrong.  You never really said anything like that.  What you said is listed above and is very different.  As for jumping down his throat, damn straight.  I thought it was stupid and was the actual derailing moment of this thread.  From one "snivilin city slicker" to another, we'd take those "cuntry" incest drunks out drive by style.  Ogre and his family/lovers can shoot their rifles and we'll continue to evolve with the times with more sophisticated weaponry .  He'll never have to worry about attacks in those parts though bc nobody gives a fucking shit.  Unless of course you count your own fucked up citizens (OK).  Now that's "not being able to discuss politics civilly".  CUT! Look Spoon.  First the whole invasion scenario was a joke..sarcasm, get it.  Second if you want to call me names and lash out at me fine, but you are welcome to discuss my family with me face to face anytime.  I doubt you have the balls.  It's real easy to be an internet tough guy and insult other's families.  I am being totally serious right now.  Anytime you feel the desire to insult my family to my face, name the time and place and I will gladly finish this conversation.  So be a mouse and keep hiding behind your mouse, or be a man and insult my family in person.  Anytime, Spoon, Anytime.

HeyGuy

07-18-2006, 09:30 AM

Ogre wrote: spoon wrote: Wrong.  You never really said anything like that.  What you said is listed above and is very different.  As for jumping down his throat, damn straight.  I thought it was stupid and was the actual derailing moment of this thread.  From one "snivilin city slicker" to another, we'd take those "cuntry" incest drunks out drive by style.  Ogre and his family/lovers can shoot their rifles and we'll continue to evolve with the times with more sophisticated weaponry .  He'll never have to worry about attacks in those parts though bc nobody gives a fucking shit.  Unless of course you count your own fucked up citizens (OK).  Now that's "not being able to discuss politics civilly".  CUT! Look Spoon.  First the whole invasion scenario was a joke..sarcasm, get it.  Second if you want to call me names and lash out at me fine, but you are welcome to discuss my family with me face to face anytime.  I doubt you have the balls.  It's real easy to be an internet tough guy and insult other's families.  I am being totally serious right now.  Anytime you feel the desire to insult my family to my face, name the time and place and I will gladly finish this conversation.  So be a mouse and keep hiding behind your mouse, or be a man and insult my family in person.  Anytime, Spoon, Anytime.  I dont see any insult to your family. Please explain?

Ogre

07-18-2006, 09:36 AM

CampoNJ wrote: Ogre wrote: spoon wrote: Wrong.  You never really said anything like that.  What you said is listed above and is very different.  As for jumping down his throat, damn straight.  I thought it was stupid and was the actual derailing moment of this thread.  From one "snivilin city slicker" to another, we'd take those "cuntry" incest drunks out drive by style.  Ogre and his family/lovers can shoot their rifles and we'll continue to evolve with the times with more sophisticated weaponry .  He'll never have to worry about attacks in those parts though bc nobody gives a fucking shit.  Unless of course you count your own fucked up citizens (OK).  Now that's "not being able to discuss politics civilly".  CUT! Look Spoon.  First the whole invasion scenario was a joke..sarcasm, get it.  Second if you want to call me names and lash out at me fine, but you are welcome to discuss my family with me face to face anytime.  I doubt you have the balls.  It's real easy to be an internet tough guy and insult other's families.  I am being totally serious right now.  Anytime you feel the desire to insult my family to my face, name the time and place and I will gladly finish this conversation.  So be a mouse and keep hiding behind your mouse, or be a man and insult my family in person.  Anytime, Spoon, Anytime.  I dont see any insult to your family. Please explain?In bold.

Jujubees2

07-19-2006, 10:16 AM

Geez, we have troops dying daily in Iraq but all the Senate can think of is gay marriage, flag burning and "protecting" the pledge of allegiance.  The phrase “under God” wasn’t even in the original pledge.  It was inserted back in the 1950s during the whole Communist scare.<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13937043/">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13937043/</a>

HeyGuy

07-19-2006, 10:38 AM

Jujubees2 wrote:   The phrase “under God” wasn’t even in the original pledge.  It was inserted back in the 1950s during the whole Communist scare.<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13937043/"></a>Is that true? If so then take it out!!!

Jujubees2

07-19-2006, 10:51 AM

CampoNJ wrote: Jujubees2 wrote:   The phrase “under God” wasn’t even in the original pledge.  It was inserted back in the 1950s during the whole Communist scare.<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13937043/"></a>Is that true? If so then take it out!!!Absolutely, here's the original 1892 version (notice it doesn't even include United States):"I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." <a href="http://www.slate.com/?id=2067499">http://www.slate.com/?id=2067499</a>

Terragen

07-19-2006, 11:01 AM

Thats funny, turning the word "indivisible" into the MOST divisive thing there is, GOD! Wow this country is going down the shitter because politicians use our fear against us to achieve their ends (Bush in office, war, its all tied together). and pit us against eachother (Democrat/Republican, Liberal/Conservative). Our country is in shit because we have let the tyrants in through the front door! If this country REALLY wants to turn everything into some God-worshipping flock of sheep, fine, just don't count me in.

HeyGuy

07-19-2006, 11:01 AM

Jujubees2 wrote: CampoNJ wrote: Jujubees2 wrote:   The phrase “under God” wasn’t even in the original pledge.  It was inserted back in the 1950s during the whole Communist scare.<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13937043/"></a>Is that true? If so then take it out!!!Absolutely, here's the original 1892 version (notice it doesn't even include United States):"I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." <a href="http://www.slate.com/?id=2067499">http://www.slate.com/?id=2067499</a>wow a good read, thanks but you know thr religous right will never admit to anythingthat suggests the founding fathers really didnt want any religion in anything

FUNKMAN

07-19-2006, 03:21 PM

Republicans amaze me! i'm amazed at the way they're with me all the time

narc

07-19-2006, 03:33 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">CampoNJ wrote: Jujubees2 wrote: CampoNJ wrote: Jujubees2 wrote: The phrase "under God" wasn't even in the original pledge. It was inserted back in the 1950s during the whole Communist scare.<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13937043/"></a>Is that true? If so then take it out!!!Absolutely, here's the original 1892 version (notice it doesn't even include United States):"I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." <a href="http://www.slate.com/?id=2067499">http://www.slate.com/?id=2067499</a>wow a good read, thanks but you know thr religous right will never admit to anythingthat suggests the founding fathers really didnt want any religion in anything<hr color="cococo" align="left">
That's because the founding fathers were generally pretty religious. Bigots about it too. They also weren't alive in 1892.

TheMojoPin

07-20-2006, 08:02 PM

narc wrote: CampoNJ wrote: Jujubees2 wrote: CampoNJ wrote: Jujubees2 wrote: The phrase “under God” wasn’t even in the original pledge. It was inserted back in the 1950s during the whole Communist scare.<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13937043/"></a>Is that true? If so then take it out!!!Absolutely, here's the original 1892 version (notice it doesn't even include United States):"I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." <a href="http://www.slate.com/?id=2067499">http://www.slate.com/?id=2067499</a>wow a good read, thanks but you know thr religous right will never admit to anythingthat suggests the founding fathers really didnt want any religion in anything That's because the founding fathers were generally pretty religious. Bigots about it too. That's an incredibly vague and subjective statement.  What is "generally pretty religious?"  And honestly, their religious personal lives have next to no bearing on the government they established.  The proof is in the documents and federal structure they left behind...overwhelmingly, they wanted religion not to influence government policy on any level.  People can do and believe and do whatever they want in their own time...just keep it private and out of the government.

FezPaul

07-20-2006, 08:09 PM

FUNKMAN wrote:  Republicans amaze me!  i'm amazed at the way they're with me all the timehttp://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/paul.gif

narc

07-20-2006, 08:25 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">TheMojoPin wrote: narc wrote: CampoNJ wrote: Jujubees2 wrote: CampoNJ wrote: Jujubees2 wrote: The phrase "under God" wasn't even in the original pledge. It was inserted back in the 1950s during the whole Communist scare.<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13937043/"></a>Is that true? If so then take it out!!!Absolutely, here's the original 1892 version (notice it doesn't even include United States):"I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." <a href="http://www.slate.com/?id=2067499">http://www.slate.com/?id=2067499</a>wow a good read, thanks but you know thr religous right will never admit to anythingthat suggests the founding fathers really didnt want any religion in anything That's because the founding fathers were generally pretty religious. Bigots about it too. That's an incredibly vague and subjective statement. What is "generally pretty religious?" And honestly, their religious personal lives have next to no bearing on the government they established. The proof is in the documents and federal structure they left behind...overwhelmingly, they wanted religion not to influence government policy on any level. People can do and believe and do whatever they want in their own time...just keep it private and out of the government.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

I agree with you that they didn't want religion influencing the federal government. But you're ignoring the historical context of the time. They came from an English experience rife with Protestants and Catholics killing each other in religion. They saw the danger of bringing together a government where, at the time, you had largely Congregationalist Massachusetts, Quaker Pennsylvania, and Episcopal Virginia having basically the functional equivalent of state religions that didn't really think too much of each other. They saw the danger of having the federal government being dominated by one of those. THAT'S IT. 
But don't think for a second that they didn't see the government as being made up of Judeo-Christians (mostly Christians) and having a uniquely Judeo-Christian heritage. It's not their fault - that's who they were and that's who was here at the time. You work in a bookstore right? Go get the federalist papers and try reading 20 pages without seeing them talk about God or Providence or any other religious formula. You can't do it.

TheMojoPin

07-20-2006, 08:50 PM

But don't think for a second that they didn't see the government as being made up of Judeo-Christians (mostly Christians) and having a uniquely Judeo-Christian heritage. It's not their fault - that's who they were and that's who was here at the time.The personal religious and non-religious lives of the country's founders were far more complicated than you're allowing.  God being used as a formality in no way endorses or supports religious dogma dictating government policy.  They wrote the Federalist papers as they did because that's how people wrote at the time.  I honestly don't understand the point you're trying to make.  They could have worshipped the Spaghetti Monster for all I cared...their religious beliefs, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with how our government should be run.  Tossing out a few "God's" and "Lord's" simply does not come close to erasing the idea that church and state are meant to be seperate when it comes to government policy, and it sounds like you actually agree with me on that.  So what the heck are we arguing about?

narc

07-20-2006, 08:56 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">TheMojoPin wrote: <hr color="cococo" align="left">But don't think for a second that they didn't see the government as being made up of Judeo-Christians (mostly Christians) and having a uniquely Judeo-Christian heritage. It's not their fault - that's who they were and that's who was here at the time.<hr color="cococo" align="left">The personal religious and non-religious lives of the country's founders were far more complicated than you're allowing. God being used as a formality in no way endorses or supports religious dogma dictating government policy. They wrote the Federalist papers as they did because that's how people wrote at the time. I honestly don't understand the point you're trying to make. They could have worshipped the Spaghetti Monster for all I cared...their religious beliefs, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with how our government should be run. Tossing out a few "God's" and "Lord's" simply does not come close to erasing the idea that church and state are meant to be seperate when it comes to government policy, and it sounds like you actually agree with me on that. So what the heck are we arguing about?<hr color="cococo" align="left">

Good question. Other people were complaining about the whole under god thing and In God we Trust and saying that it went against what the founders believed. I'm saying they wouldn't have cared because they were mostly concerned about the establishment of religion in government, and they used plenty of nominally religious language themselves without pushing their beliefs necessarily on anyone. I mean, even Jefferson tosses God around.

Yerdaddy

07-22-2006, 04:56 AM

Jefferson wanted three of his numerous accomplishments on his gravestone: "Here was buried Thomas Jefferson Author of the Declaration of American Independence Of the Statute of Virginia for religious toleration & Father of the University of Virginia." The second one being to get a strong separation of church and state into the Virginia constitution. In part, that was because of how strongly he believed in freedom of religion as well as freedom from religion. But another reason was that it was a difficult fight at the time. Had he not written and fought for that statement it probably would not have been in there. Yes, most of the founding fathers were deeply religious, and all of them were religious to some degree. Some, like Franklin and probably Jefferson, were deists - meaning they believed that God created the universe and then left it alone to be discovered by man. Both of them had little respect for organized religion or literal interpretations of the Bible. Mostly, they were aware of the tyrrany that religion in politics can lead to. They wrote of the problems of entering sacred articles of faith that cannot be backed by reason into politics which requires free debate and a goal that reason prevail. But they probably were a tiny minority at the time (although their deist conceps of a personal faith free from dogma of organized religious leaders was probably closer to most religious Americans' current view of religion today than those of the time.) Clearly the population was much more deeply religious at the time. Atheists were probably not free to express their views at all. But that's been the nature of faith; that it gets cherry-picked for the bits that allow one to live in contemporary society without seeming insane, and that the more civilization advances the less material from those books are deemed appropriate. We're not burning people at the stake for a variety of petty offenses anymore, but when those actions were all the rage the people were just taking the Bible more literally. Were they better Christians, or worse? Who cares? The point is, this country was not founded on Christian principles, nor is it a "Christian country." The founding principles of this country, the core beliefs that separated the US from everything that came before it, is the Bill of Rights - a list of secular principles. How many of the 10 Commandments are codified into US law? 2 1/2. Thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal; and thou shalt not commit adultery is not a crime, but it's grounds for a divorce, so I give it 1/2. Bearing false witness - lying - is only illegal in specific cases like under oath and slander, but this whole post could be a lie and I don't have to think about the government coming to get me. Keeping the wholy day sabbath? The Bible tells us, (in Deuteronomy, I think), to kill those who do work on Sunday. In America, you can't even use the Bible's commandment as an excuse not to show up on Sunday. No Gods before God? Well, you'd think if this were a "Christian country" that one would have simply one out and there would be no talk about "freedom of religion". But it lost.Ultimately, the secular view of government... yadda yadda yadda... gotta go have lunch with hot German chicks. To be continued... Unless someone starts posting half-naked hot chicks, which will be a signal to shut me up.

Bulldogcakes

07-22-2006, 05:32 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: gotta go have lunch with hot German chicks. To be continued... Unless someone starts posting half-naked hot chicks, which will be a signal to shut me up.  Ask and ye shall recieve<img width="355" height="475" border="0" src="http://www.apartmankrampus.com/teens/images/296/german_pornstar_lydia.jpg" />  <blockquote />

Yerdaddy

07-22-2006, 05:59 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Yerdaddy wrote: gotta go have lunch with hot German chicks. To be continued... Unless someone starts posting half-naked hot chicks, which will be a signal to shut me up.  Ask and ye shall recieve<img height="475" src="http://www.apartmankrampus.com/teens/images/296/german_pornstar_lydia.jpg" width="355" border="0" />     <img src="http://www.yemen.net.ye/yemennet.jpg" border="0" /> <table cellpadding="1" width="80%" border="0"><tr><td>Access Denied (content_filter_denied) </td></tr><tr><td>Your request was denied because of its content categorization: "Sex;Adult Material" </td></tr><tr><td></td></tr><tr><td> For assistance, contact your network support team. </td></tr></table>You gotta be better than that to get past the Shari'a smut-be-gone!I'll give you another 15 minutes to satisfy my commands before I ascend the Tower of Babble, heathens!

narc

07-22-2006, 08:15 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Yerdaddy wrote: Jefferson wanted three of his numerous accomplishments on his gravestone: "Here was buried Thomas Jefferson Author of the Declaration of American Independence Of the Statute of Virginia for religious toleration & Father of the University of Virginia." The second one being to get a strong separation of church and state into the Virginia constitution. In part, that was because of how strongly he believed in freedom of religion as well as freedom from religion. But another reason was that it was a difficult fight at the time. Had he not written and fought for that statement it probably would not have been in there. Yes, most of the founding fathers were deeply religious, and all of them were religious to some degree. Some, like Franklin and probably Jefferson, were deists - meaning they believed that God created the universe and then left it alone to be discovered by man. Both of them had little respect for organized religion or literal interpretations of the Bible. Mostly, they were aware of the tyrrany that religion in politics can lead to. They wrote of the problems of entering sacred articles of faith that cannot be backed by reason into politics which requires free debate and a goal that reason prevail. But they probably were a tiny minority at the time (although their deist conceps of a personal faith free from dogma of organized religious leaders was probably closer to most religious Americans' current view of religion today than those of the time.) Clearly the population was much more deeply religious at the time. Atheists were probably not free to express their views at all. But that's been the nature of faith; that it gets cherry-picked for the bits that allow one to live in contemporary society without seeming insane, and that the more civilization advances the less material from those books are deemed appropriate. We're not burning people at the stake for a variety of petty offenses anymore, but when those actions were all the rage the people were just taking the Bible more literally. Were they better Christians, or worse? Who cares? The point is, this country was not founded on Christian principles, nor is it a "Christian country." The founding principles of this country, the core beliefs that separated the US from everything that came before it, is the Bill of Rights - a list of secular principles. How many of the 10 Commandments are codified into US law? 2 1/2. Thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal; and thou shalt not commit adultery is not a crime, but it's grounds for a divorce, so I give it 1/2. Bearing false witness - lying - is only illegal in specific cases like under oath and slander, but this whole post could be a lie and I don't have to think about the government coming to get me. Keeping the wholy day sabbath? The Bible tells us, (in Deuteronomy, I think), to kill those who do work on Sunday. In America, you can't even use the Bible's commandment as an excuse not to show up on Sunday. No Gods before God? Well, you'd think if this were a "Christian country" that one would have simply one out and there would be no talk about "freedom of religion". But it lost.Ultimately, the secular view of government... yadda yadda yadda... gotta go have lunch with hot German chicks. To be continued... Unless someone starts posting half-naked hot chicks, which will be a signal to shut me up.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

All I'm saying is that enough of government in this country is infused with religious or pseudo-religious things that are pretty much meaningless insofar as they have no effect on policy or anything that I don't think people today need to freak out about. I'm not talking about the 10 Commandments that that nutty guy down in Alabama was touting around. I'm talking about things like Congress having a chaplain who gives a very official prayer. Or the fact that, when I lived in New England, I couldn't buy liquor in Supermarkets at

Ogre

07-22-2006, 11:26 AM

This made me chuckle..yes this is an actual album cover.<img height="333" src="http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Original_Photo/2005/07/08/1120851836_2782.jpg" width="333" border="0" />

CuzBum

07-22-2006, 12:27 PM

<img src="http://www.yemen.net.ye/yemennet.jpg" border="0" /> <table cellpadding="1" width="80%" border="0"><tr><td>Access Denied (content_filter_denied) </td></tr><tr><td>Your request was denied because of its content categorization: "Sex;Adult Material" </td></tr><tr><td></td></tr><tr><td> For assistance, contact your network support team. </td></tr></table>There has to be some kind of trade off to get those Negro bars so cheap.

high fly

07-23-2006, 09:48 PM

Back on topic.You Republicans plan on wheeling out that balanced budget ammendment again anytime soon?I mean, "fiscal responsibility" is one of your "core values," right?At least it was 3 trillion dollars ago.......

CuzBum

07-25-2006, 03:50 PM

high fly wrote: Back on topic.You Republicans plan on wheeling out that balanced budget ammendment again anytime soon?I mean, "fiscal responsibility" is one of your "core values," right?At least it was 3 trillion dollars ago.......<img src="http://browndailysqueal.com/archives/Beating%20Dead%20Horse-thumb.gif" border="0" />

A.J.

07-26-2006, 05:02 AM

high fly wrote: Back on topic.You Republicans plan on wheeling out that balanced budget ammendment again anytime soon?I mean, "fiscal responsibility" is one of your "core values," right?At least it was 3 trillion dollars ago.......For some reason, they aren't letting me introduce bills on the floor of the House.  I had some good ones too!

UnknownPD

07-26-2006, 05:35 AM

Whether or not you like Bush impeaching him can only lead the country faster and faster to third world status. You shouldn't prosecute people for policitcal decisions. Beacause sooner or later you'll be prosecuting every president and we'll be Italy with 60 something governments in 60 years

Jujubees2

07-26-2006, 05:57 AM

UnknownPD wrote: Whether or not you like Bush impeaching him can only lead the country faster and faster to third world status. You shouldn't prosecute people for policitcal decisions. Beacause sooner or later you'll be prosecuting every president and we'll be Italy with 60 something governments in 60 yearsAs much as I dislike the job the President is doing, I agree that an impeachment proceeding will be a waste of time and money.  But for an administration that took over in 2000 claiming to bring accountability back to Washington, they have done anything but.  There has been absolutely NO accountability from this administration on any matter.

HeyGuy

07-26-2006, 09:25 AM

Jujubees2 wrote: UnknownPD wrote: Whether or not you like Bush impeaching him can only lead the country faster and faster to third world status. You shouldn't prosecute people for policitcal decisions. Beacause sooner or later you'll be prosecuting every president and we'll be Italy with 60 something governments in 60 yearsAs much as I dislike the job the President is doing, I agree that an impeachment proceeding will be a waste of time and money.  But for an administration that took over in 2000 claiming to bring accountability back to Washington, they have done anything but.  There has been absolutely NO accountability from this administration on any matter.  Thats why they need to impeach. Listen the republicans had a witchhunt for Clinton all because of a blowjob and lieing under oath. They did this because Clinton was liked and had great ratings. They went after him in the first place to embarres him, which is why he then lied under oath. Which I feel when it comes to sex and a personal issue that could destroy your family and name, I think its warented.What Bush is doing is very impeachable (is that a word). He has done nothing the country has wanted. He has completley thrown out the constitution. There are republicans that have filed lawsuits against the president for constitution violations. The only reason the impeachment hearing havent started are the house and senate are Reublican run. Once the Nov elections are over and the Dems take back either the house or the Senate then you will see or hear about impeachment allot more.

Jujubees2

07-26-2006, 09:40 AM

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Bush impeached and, yes, he has done things that are impeachable offenses.  But I think there a lot more important issues facing the country at this time and to devote resources to an impeachment would take away from those issues.How's this for a kick in the pants.  Sen. Spector (R-Penn.) is looking to sue Bush.<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14020234/">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14020234/</a>

UnknownPD

07-26-2006, 10:47 AM

You guys want to impeach Bush because of what happened to Clinton. Impeaching Clinton was stupid and wrong, but impeaching Bush would also be stupid and wrong. Retribution is not a good reason to mess with the government. I realize that most of you have no sense of history, but democracy is amazingly fragile. Impeachment should be rare and only used in extreme cases. When you start impeaching because you disagree on policy you weaken the republic.

HeyGuy

07-26-2006, 11:13 AM

UnknownPD wrote: You guys want to impeach Bush because of what happened to Clinton. Impeaching Clinton was stupid and wrong, but impeaching Bush would also be stupid and wrong. Retribution is not a good reason to mess with the government. I realize that most of you have no sense of history, but democracy is amazingly fragile. Impeachment should be rare and only used in extreme cases. When you start impeaching because you disagree on policy you weaken the republic. Im not saying to impeach him just to get back for impeaching Clinton, not at all. What I'm saying is all Clinton did was lie about a blow job and they spent 40 million to prove he lied. Bush needs to be impeached because of everything he has done. And what I'm saying is, if Clinton wasnt a waste of time to impeach how the hell could impeaching Bush be? He has allot of reasons to be impeached.This isnt getting back at Bush for Clinton. This is Bush your an asshole and have ignored the constitution and over used your power in every way.

UnknownPD

07-26-2006, 12:21 PM

This is Bush your an asshole and have ignored the constitution and over used your power in every way.  Overused power does not equal high crimes and misdemeanors as required by the constitution. My point is, was and will will be that impeaching a President should be a last resort. Impeaching Clinton was wrong, but impeaching Bush on the heels of the Clinton impeachment, the 2000 election and World events would only serve to weaken the country. 

This message was edited by UnknownPD on 7-26-06 @ 4:22 PM

HeyGuy

07-26-2006, 01:26 PM

UnknownPD wrote: This is Bush your an asshole and have ignored the constitution and over used your power in every way.  Overused power does not equal high crimes and misdemeanors as required by the constitution. My point is, was and will will be that impeaching a President should be a last resort. Impeaching Clinton was wrong, but impeaching Bush on the heels of the Clinton impeachment, the 2000 election and World events would only serve to weaken the country. This message was edited by UnknownPD on 7-26-06 @ 4:22 PM How will it weaken the country? If anything it will strngthen the country. The world will see that the majority of people feel Bush's policies were wrong against what we beleive and our laws so we are taking control to show what we preach, about freedom and laws will be enforced. It amazes me how people always want to give a pass to this president. I love how Faux News always says " Yes, Bush has made many mistakes, but" But what? call him out for what he has done and stop down playing his mistakes just to point out your agenda!

HBox

07-26-2006, 01:33 PM

People must remember that even if Bush is successfully impeached, who would then be President? Is that something you want?

UnknownPD

07-26-2006, 01:47 PM

How will it weaken the country? If anything it will strngthen the countryThere's no point in arguing with naive

HeyGuy

07-26-2006, 01:58 PM

UnknownPD wrote:  How will it weaken the country? If anything it will strngthen the country  There's no point in arguing with naiveExactly because you have no answer to how it will weaken us. Unless your affraid the world will see how Stupid the red states are because they voted for this man twice!

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CuzBum

07-26-2006, 02:24 PM

I love how Faux News always says " Yes, Bush has made many mistakes, but" But what?Which Fox personality said that?

CuzBum

07-26-2006, 02:31 PM

What exaclty are the grounds for his impeachment? Can you make a list, in your own words i mean?

HeyGuy

07-26-2006, 06:11 PM

CuzBum wrote:  I love how Faux News always says " Yes, Bush has made many mistakes, but" But what?  Which Fox personality said that?Almost ever tiime Bill Oreily tries to make a point against the left he will then add "Yes this administration" or "Bush has made many mistakes but..."

HeyGuy

07-26-2006, 09:24 PM

CuzBum wrote: What exaclty are the grounds for his impeachment? Can you make a list, in your own words i mean? This alone should get him impeached.<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM</a>

Furtherman

07-27-2006, 07:28 AM

CuzBum wrote: What exaclty are the grounds for his impeachment? Can you make a list, in your own words i mean? 1. He's an idiot.2. Iraq You can make the argument for a dozen more but thousands of dead American soldiers died for what?  That alone deserves him to be thrown through a White House picture window.

UnknownPD

07-27-2006, 07:55 AM

Unless your affraid the world will see how Stupid the red states are because they voted for this man twice!Dude you're from New Jersey...calling other states stupid...is well... stupid

phixion

07-27-2006, 08:02 AM

u cant impeach him for iraq you cant impeach him because of the war. all those square states in the middle of the country wanted this, they wanted him. we are all stuck with this asshole. cause personally i think the vietnam war was far more evil than the iraq war and that would mean lbj shouldve been impeached and he was a well intentioned president who i happen to like. we need to stop this impeachment talk at this point, it would do nothing good for the country. actaully it would be wrose cause then we would have a chance of cheney being the president and that scares the shit out of me. seriously folks start revving up for 2008 cuz it doenst make sense getting all huffy about something we can't control. you want conservatives out? move out to the middle of the coutnry and take up residence, let's turn those red states blueand while im against impeaching the president if someone could put a rebellious pretzel in the oval office....

HeyGuy

07-27-2006, 09:40 AM

UnknownPD wrote:  Unless your affraid the world will see how Stupid the red states are because they voted for this man twice!  Dude you're from New Jersey...calling other states stupid...is well... stupidLets see, NJ is one of the richest states in America with the Richest county in the country. We have everything here. You can be in the country on farms, then be in the city in less then anhour or go to the beach. We have a great mix of culture. We should have a lot to say about the red states and this stupid president. On 9/11 more people died from the state of NJ then any other state including NY. NY/NJ is the area that the terrorist target the most. The tunnels, GWB, Statue of Liberty all in NJ. Plus All the oil companies, casions, sporting venues and money. So when it comes down to it, NJ is a great state and I do feel we should have more say who our president is and who protects us. Notice that the biggest targets of the terrorist do not effect the red states. All the states that have a great chance of being targeted are Blue States. NY, NJ, DC, CA, IL all Blue states. It seems a little ironic when the terror alerts first started and all these little town in red states had all these people scared like they were a target. Please, do you really think they should worry like us? No. But the Bush scared tactics worked on the majority of people outside the terror area and people were so scared they voted his ass in again.

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UnknownPD

07-27-2006, 09:51 AM

We have everything here  Everything New York didn't want... red headed step child that it is

This message was edited by UnknownPD on 7-27-06 @ 2:16 PM

Ogre

07-27-2006, 10:01 AM

CampoNJ wrote: So when it comes down to it, NJ is a great state and I do feel we should have more say who our president is and who protects us. Notice that the biggest targets of the terrorist do not effect the red states. All the states that have a great chance of being targeted are Blue States. NY, NJ, DC, CA, IL all Blue states.  Do you really think that the people of NJ have more value than the rest of the US ?  And DC is not a State.  The Pentagon is located in a "Red State".  Again I ask, "Do you really feel that the people of NJ are above the rest of the country?  Do their opinions really count more?  Is thier existence more valuable?"  So I guess the people that died in the Pentagon counted less because of it's geographical location?  Crazy Talk.

Jujubees2

07-27-2006, 10:11 AM

Even The Round Man of Rebound - Charles Barkley - has had it with the Republicans.  He's now a Dem.  Here's a great quote: "I was a Republican until they lost their minds," he said earlier this month."<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060727/ap_on_el_gu/barkley_governor">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060727/ap_on_el_gu/barkley_governor</a>

Furtherman

07-27-2006, 10:12 AM

Jujubees2 wrote: Even The Round Man of Rebound - Charles Barkley - has had it with the Republicans.  He's now a Dem.  Here's a great quote: "I was a Republican until they lost their minds," he said earlier this month."Right on Sir Charles.  I feel the same way.

HeyGuy

07-27-2006, 10:54 AM

UnknownPD wrote: We have everything here  Everything New York didn't want... red headed step child that it isThis message was edited by UnknownPD on 7-27-06 @ 2:16 PM Yes, thats why so many New Yorkers move to NJ. were are you from?

HeyGuy

07-27-2006, 11:00 AM

Ogre wrote: CampoNJ wrote: So when it comes down to it, NJ is a great state and I do feel we should have more say who our president is and who protects us. Notice that the biggest targets of the terrorist do not effect the red states. All the states that have a great chance of being targeted are Blue States. NY, NJ, DC, CA, IL all Blue states.  Do you really think that the people of NJ have more value than the rest of the US ?  And DC is not a State.  The Pentagon is located in a "Red State".  Again I ask, "Do you really feel that the people of NJ are above the rest of the country?  Do their opinions really count more?  Is thier existence more valuable?"  So I guess the people that died in the Pentagon counted less because of it's geographical location?  Crazy Talk.Isnt it true that DC is its own thing and not part of VA or MD? Taxation without representation etc etc. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but Im sure im not. Doesnt matter even if they are part of VA no they will not be bombing VA they would only go after the DC area.And no I dont think that the people that died at the pentagon were less valuable. What I do know is that the chances of more attacks and people dying in my area are much higher then any  Red state. Go Blue!

A.J.

07-27-2006, 11:04 AM

CampoNJ wrote: <blockquote />Isnt it true that DC is its own thing and not part of VA or MD? Taxation without representation etc etc. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but Im sure im not. Doesnt matter even if they are part of VA no they will not be bombing VA they would only go after the DC area.Right -- because CIA headquarters in Langley, the Naval base at Norfolk and a variety of other military installations around the Commonwealth aren't as important.

HBox

07-27-2006, 11:05 AM

This thread is dumb.

HeyGuy

07-27-2006, 11:22 AM

A.J. wrote: CampoNJ wrote: Isnt it true that DC is its own thing and not part of VA or MD? Taxation without representation etc etc. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but Im sure im not. Doesnt matter even if they are part of VA no they will not be bombing VA they would only go after the DC area.Right -- because CIA headquarters in Langley, the Naval base at Norfolk and a variety of other military installations around the Commonwealth aren't as important.DC area and once again the world knows the most important area is NY metro area. No one wants to see any area be hit by a terror attack but come on NY area needs to be much more worried then any other area. Thats just a fact.

phixion

07-27-2006, 11:28 AM

Do you really think that the people of NJ have more value than the rest of the US ?individual lives? no but i do think that this nation exists because of the liberal minds that were founded in the new england colonies and the middle colonies. i believe that the eastern and western seaboard contribute far more to this country than any of the square states in the middle. but ill preface this by saying that NY was mostly loyalists during the revolution and mostly wanted the south to secede during the civil war, but thats only because the business of NY is business and blood is a big expense. i believe that NY is the best and most important city in the world. i believe that this state is more important than anyother but thats why we have the house so none of this really matters...

HeyGuy

07-27-2006, 11:35 AM

phixion wrote:  Do you really think that the people of NJ have more value than the rest of the US ?  individual lives? no but i do think that this nation exists because of the liberal minds that were founded in the new england colonies and the middle colonies. i believe that the eastern and western seaboard contribute far more to this country than any of the square states in the middle. but ill preface this by saying that NY was mostly loyalists during the revolution and mostly wanted the south to secede during the civil war, but thats only because the business of NY is business and blood is a big expense. i believe that NY is the best and most important city in the world. i believe that this state is more important than anyother but thats why we have the house so none of this really matters...Phixon you better watch out they will say that the farmers are more important! Just funny that a lot of farmers are actually paid not to grow anything.

phixion

07-27-2006, 11:50 AM

Just funny that a lot of farmers are actually paid not to grow anything.  u cant throw that one out there, they do that to keep the prices up , it was started by the greatest american/ new yorker/ president ever FDR.now if you want to make noise you can say how there pretty much no more small farms just giant ones run by corporations. and fuck those corporation and ill piss on their chairperson's mothers grave and not give a fuck.also NYC was this nations first captial Washington was inaugurated on the hudson mustve been beautiful

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HeyGuy

07-27-2006, 12:11 PM

phixion wrote: Just funny that a lot of farmers are actually paid not to grow anything.  also NYC was this nations first captial Washington was inaugurated on the hudson mustve been beautifulThis message was edited by phixion on 7-27-06 @ 3:59 PM Whats there now? That have to have something

A.J.

07-28-2006, 04:17 AM

CampoNJ wrote: A.J. wrote: CampoNJ wrote: Isnt it true that DC is its own thing and not part of VA or MD? Taxation without representation etc etc. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but Im sure im not. Doesnt matter even if they are part of VA no they will not be bombing VA they would only go after the DC area.Right -- because CIA headquarters in Langley, the Naval base at Norfolk and a variety of other military installations around the Commonwealth aren't as important.DC area and once again the world knows the most important area is NY metro area. No one wants to see any area be hit by a terror attack but come on NY area needs to be much more worried then any other area. Thats just a fact.Norfolk is NOT the "DC Area".  There are military bases around VA that are NOT the "DC area".  So when you say they "will not be bombing VA they would only go after the DC area", that is not entirely true.

narc

07-28-2006, 05:04 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">phixion wrote: Just funny that a lot of farmers are actually paid not to grow anything. u cant throw that one out there, they do that to keep the prices up , it was started by the greatest american/ new yorker/ president ever FDR.now if you want to make noise you can say how there pretty much no more small farms just giant ones run by corporations. and fuck those corporation and ill piss on their chairperson's mothers grave and not give a fuck.also NYC was this nations first captial Washington was inaugurated on the hudson mustve been beautiful

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HBox is right. This thread is stupid. But your attitude is so pathologically insane I don't even know where to begin. 
First of all, New York was not the first capital. Philly was. And then York, PA. And then Annapolis for a little while. They moved a lot because they had to. 
Second of all, New York is my home state. I spent all of my first 18 years there and a great deal of time since as well. And the whole flyover state thing you guys are talking about makes you sound way more ignorant than any "farmer" that you guys are talking about. And I know you're not just talking about the entire state, you're just talking about downstate. But I'd rather not get into the whole upstate-downstate thing. 
Don't get me wrong, NY is big, important, the biggest city in the country for several things, and in the world for several more. But I know CampoNJ you said you haven't gotten around the country? Have you been to Iowa, for example? I have. They're not all farmers. Far from it. It has the highest literacy rate in the country. All of the midwest is filled with tiny college towns here and there, which are in turn filled with people far smarter than you or I, for example.Do a lot of the people have different values than people in NY? Yes. But how boring would the country be if everywhere was like the NY-northern NJ - CT area? At least get out there and investigate some of the stereotypes you're espousing before you come off sounding like a completely arrogant douche.

UnknownPD

07-28-2006, 05:14 AM

At least get out there and investigate some of the stereotypes you're espousing before you come off sounding like a completely arrogant douche.  <img height="40" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/thumbup.gif" width="116" border="0" />

HeyGuy

07-28-2006, 06:44 AM

narc wrote:  CampoNJ you said you haven't gotten around the country? Have you been to Iowa, for example? I have. They're not all farmers. Far from it. It has the highest literacy rate in the country. All of the midwest is filled with tiny college towns here and there, which are in turn filled with people far smarter than you or I, for example.Do a lot of the people have different values than people in NY? Yes. But how boring would the country be if everywhere was like the NY-northern NJ - CT area? At least get out there and investigate some of the stereotypes you're espousing before you come off sounding like a completely arrogant douche. I never said I havent gotten around the country. I have been to 1/2 the states in this country when I traveled for work years ago. Even Iowa for a wrestling tournament. I will admit that there are many beautiful places all around the country. I have seen the different lifestyles through-out the country. But when its all said and done you cant compare NY/NJ metro area. Yes some places are great to visit for a week or so, but they get boring very quick. Do more people travel to Lincoln, NB or NYC? Or better yet Take all the Blue states, and a few of the Blue City's that are in red states (DC, Vegas, Miami) and add up were people travel to most. I would guess that you cant compare the amount of travel or tourisim they get. At the end of the day not everyone wants to live in our dirty, over populated, old, mixed race, sexual, liberal, sin city's but they sure come here way more then anywhere in the country.I lived in Pensicola, Fl for a little while (hated it). I was offered ownership in a nightclub to change the club from a coutry bar to a NYC style club/ lounge. Didnt work to well when bubba and billy bob are pulling into the parking lot already drinking beer in pick-up trucks. I knew it was bad when I frst moved there. I went to a strip club and the dancer said "so how do you like it down here in LA?" I said "LA? this is nothing like LA" she said "LA stands for Lower Alabama" and then she laughed. Well I got the joke, because it was a joke. Pensicola was beautiful to look at and I had a 2 bedroom 2 bath apt right on the beach on Pensicola island for $800 a month fully furnished and everything included. You cant beat that, but you can when the whole time you cant wait to leave.

This message was edited by CampoNJ on 7-28-06 @ 10:46 AM

mikeyboy

07-28-2006, 06:52 AM

CampoNJ wrote: narc wrote:  CampoNJ you said you haven't gotten around the country? Have you been to Iowa, for example? I have. They're not all farmers. Far from it. It has the highest literacy rate in the country. All of the midwest is filled with tiny college towns here and there, which are in turn filled with people far smarter than you or I, for example.Do a lot of the people have different values than people in NY? Yes. But how boring would the country be if everywhere was like the NY-northern NJ - CT area? At least get out there and investigate some of the stereotypes you're espousing before you come off sounding like a completely arrogant douche. I never said I havent gotten around the country. I have been to 1/2 the states in this country when I traveled for work years ago. Even Iowa for a wrestling tournament. I will admit that there are many beautiful places all around the country. I have seen the different lifestyles through-out the country. But when its all said and done you cant compare NY/NJ metro area. Yes some places are great to visit for a week or so, but they get boring very quick. Do more people travel to Lincoln, NB or NYC? Or better yet Take all the Blue states, and a few of the Blue City's that are in red states (DC, Vegas, Miami) and add up were people travel to most. I would guess that you cant compare the amount of travel or tourisim they get. At the end of the day not everyone wants to live in our dirty, over populated, old, mixed race, sexual, liberal, sin city's but they sure come here way more then anywhere in the country.Going completely off topic -- I live in Manhattan now, and nearly my entire life I have lived on the east coast either near or in a major city.  That said, I have always hated this myopic view of the country that assumes that the NY/NJ area is the only place to live, and that everyone else in the country either wants to should want to do the same thing.  It's a personal preference, but don't get all high and mighty about it.  It's certainly not for everyone.

HeyGuy

07-28-2006, 06:58 AM

mikeyboy wrote: CampoNJ wrote: narc wrote:  CampoNJ you said you haven't gotten around the country? Have you been to Iowa, for example? I have. They're not all farmers. Far from it. It has the highest literacy rate in the country. All of the midwest is filled with tiny college towns here and there, which are in turn filled with people far smarter than you or I, for example.Do a lot of the people have different values than people in NY? Yes. But how boring would the country be if everywhere was like the NY-northern NJ - CT area? At least get out there and investigate some of the stereotypes you're espousing before you come off sounding like a completely arrogant douche. I never said I havent gotten around the country. I have been to 1/2 the states in this country when I traveled for work years ago. Even Iowa for a wrestling tournament. I will admit that there are many beautiful places all around the country. I have seen the different lifestyles through-out the country. But when its all said and done you cant compare NY/NJ metro area. Yes some places are great to visit for a week or so, but they get boring very quick. Do more people travel to Lincoln, NB or NYC? Or better yet Take all the Blue states, and a few of the Blue City's that are in red states (DC, Vegas, Miami) and add up were people travel to most. I would guess that you cant compare the amount of travel or tourisim they get. At the end of the day not everyone wants to live in our dirty, over populated, old, mixed race, sexual, liberal, sin city's but they sure come here way more then anywhere in the country.Going completely off topic -- I live in Manhattan now, and nearly my entire life I have lived on the east coast either near or in a major city.  That said, I have always hated this myopic view of the country that assumes that the NY/NJ area is the only place to live, and that everyone else in the country either wants to should want to do the same thing.  It's a personal preference, but don't get all high and mighty about it.  It's certainly not for everyone.I agree with that statement 100%. Its not for everyone, nor is living outside NY/ NJ metro area for everyone. But no one can deny that more people want to atleast visit here then most places. I have a good question. Do you think its harder to grow up in NYC and then move to the modwest? or Grow up in the mid west and then move to NYC?I know for me it was harder leaving this area but I onlt did it for a short time.Oh and for the Record, I have been thinking of moving to either DC or Vegas its still up i the air.

This message was edited by CampoNJ on 7-28-06 @ 10:59 AM

FezPaul

07-28-2006, 07:42 AM

CampoNJ wrote: I agree with that statement 100%. Its not for everyone, nor is living outside NY/ NJ metro area for everyone. But no one can deny that more people want to atleast visit here then most places.Actually, more people visit my area (Grand Canyon) than most places, but they don't want to live here.Which is cool, just spend some money then go away.'Cause us hillbillies like us some elbow room.(This message was brought to you by the Flagstaff Chamber of Commerce.)                                <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" />

This message was edited by FezPaul on 7-28-06 @ 11:42 AM

Recyclerz

07-28-2006, 08:18 AM

Let's get back to those Amazing Republicans!Sen. Conrad Burns (MT) publicly bitches out a bunch of firefighters who had traveled  to Montana to try to keep his state from burning down.Mainstream story:  <a href="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14068593/">http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14068593/</a>  Purported real quote with some background context:   <a href="http://houseoflabor.tpmcafe.com/blog/background_n015e/2006/jul/27/conrad_burns_is_a_flaming_asshole">http://houseoflabor.tpmcafe.com/blog/background_n015e/2006/jul/27/conrad_burns_is_a_flaming_asshole</a>[edit] Fez Paul -  I don't think you're a hillbilly.  Out there you're more of a "dusty"!

This message was edited by Recyclerz on 7-28-06 @ 12:20 PM

FezPaul

07-28-2006, 08:22 AM

Recyclerz wrote: Let's get back to those Amazing Republicans!Sen. Conrad Burns (MT) publicly bitches out a bunch of firefighters who had traveled  to Montana to try to keep his state from burning down.Mainstream story:  <a href="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14068593/">http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14068593/</a>  Purported real quote with some background context:   <a href="http://houseoflabor.tpmcafe.com/blog/background_n015e/2006/jul/27/conrad_burns_is_a_flaming_asshole">http://houseoflabor.tpmcafe.com/blog/background_n015e/2006/jul/27/conrad_burns_is_a_flaming_asshole</a>[edit] Fez Paul -  I don't think you're a hillbilly.  Out there you're more of a "dusty"!This message was edited by Recyclerz on 7-28-06 @ 12:20 PM Of course this guy's an asshole, his last name is Burns....hey, wait a minute!

Jujubees2

07-28-2006, 10:58 AM

Yet, another reason to hate the Republicans.  They couldn't just vote on a raise to the minimum wage (which most are against despite it not being raised in over ten years).  They had to throw in the tax break for millionaires.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060728/ap_on_go_co/minimum_wage">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060728/ap_on_go_co/minimum_wage</a>

HeyGuy

07-28-2006, 11:44 AM

Jujubees2 wrote: Yet, another reason to hate the Republicans.  They couldn't just vote on a raise to the minimum wage (which most are against despite it not being raised in over ten years).  They had to throw in the tax break for millionaires.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060728/ap_on_go_co/minimum_wage">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060728/ap_on_go_co/minimum_wage</a>That article should be proof to all americans that Republicans dont care about the poor nor even the majority of Americans.So let me see if I get this correct the Republicans will only let Pedro make $80 more per week if they are allowed to add to the bill that Super Rich people will pay less in tax after they die?Sounds pretty good for 98% of Americans (not)Amazing that they would rather see people stay poor. Just have an up or down vote on minimum wage. But no they have to add something to help out their base of people making $250,000 or more.How does any American vote Republican? When will you understand that all the tax cuts and benifits that the republicans say they are giving you really doesnt help you? It only helps the top 10% and mostly the top 2%.

docgoblin

07-28-2006, 05:27 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: I fucking hate both sides at this point. No one is for smaller government, cutting spending, our personal rights or anything that I'm even remotely behind.Politicians suck balls.  Moe finally speaks the absolute truth! This two party system has become a fucking joke! Any third party that has good ideas gets squashed like a bug before they can get their message out to the masses. Most politician, from the lowest levels of government to the highest, has only the special interests, their lust for power or their own pocketbooks at heart. Look at that rediculous Big Dig in Boston. How many people are gonna end up dead because of that disaster? Here's a great example of the insanity of the current situation... Most American working people get annual raises of 2 or 3 percent if they're lucky. The cost of living increases at an average of 7% annually. Congress usually takes advantage of the annual 2-3% raise, which may seem like they're staying with the general public, but when you earn four times the salary of the average American, AND SKIM FROM THE SPECIAL INTERESTS AS WELL, I really don't think that most of the pols are keeping our best interests at heart. do you? The real question is... how do we change it? Has the machine gotten way too big to ever be fixed?