The Dark Knight

[Furtherman]

<p>Looking forward to the sequel to Batman Begins, one of the best comic book movies ever, I think.</p><p>When we last left our caped crusader, he was handed the card of The Joker... to be played by...</p><p>Heath Ledger?</p><p><a name="3"></a><strong class="sbheadline"><font face="Arial" size="2">Ledger To Join 'Batman' Cast As Joker?</font></strong><br /></p>Brokeback Mountain star Heath Ledger may have scored the coveted role of The Joker in the Batman Begins sequel, according to press reports in Australia. The actor was reportedly offered the plum part last week and will star in the next installment of the film set to be released in 2008. Oscar-winner Robin Williams was reportedly desperate to land the role and The Da Vinci Code star Paul Bettany was also rumored to be in talks for the part. According to film website Moviehole.net, filmmakers wanted to cast an actor in the part of Batman's adversary who was roughly the same age as 32-year-old star Christian Bale. Ledger is also working with Bale on I'm Not There, a film in which seven actors embody different aspects of musician Bob Dylan's life and work.

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[Jujubees2]

<p><font size="2">So The Joker is gay?</font></p><p><img height="401" src="http://tinyrevolution.com/mt-static/images/joker.jpg" width="303" border="0" /></p>

[Furtherman]

<p>Only on Jokeback Mountain.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>*cricket cricket*</p>

[MadMatt]

<font size="2">I didn't see Brokeback...&nbsp; Can Heath Ledger sound American?&nbsp; It might suck if the Joker sounds like he is an aussie.</font>

[badorties]

<strong>MadMatt</strong> wrote:<br /><font size="2">I didn't see Brokeback...&nbsp; Can Heath Ledger sound American?&nbsp; It might suck if the Joker sounds like he is an aussie.</font> <p>his dialect in brokeback seemed fine enough, knda mumbly and barritone ... batman's a brit anyway</p><p>i'm sure it'll work, but it dosen't really pop for me</p>

[suggums]

the real question is, can we trust the australian press?<br />

[Tenbatsuzen]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>Jujubees2</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font size="2">So The Joker is gay?</font></p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Well, Frank Miller based the DKR Joker on Mick Jagger...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>...Bowie?&nbsp; Nothing?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[HBox]

<p>This is the guy the Joker was originally based on, Conrad Veidt.</p><p><img width="365" height="530" border="0" src="http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9596/tmwlfo2.jpg" />&nbsp;</p>

[cougarjake13]

<p>robin williams as the joker probably would have been similar to jim carreys portrayal of the riddler</p><p>as for heath i cant say i'm in favor of him landing the role, i dont see him as an evil villan type</p><p><img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p>

[DJEvelEd]

Christian Bale is working on a film with Lucy Liu on Ave C in Bayonne, right around the corner from me. I hope it's not a Batman movie because he was chasing Lucy wearing a Fez. That's not cool.

[badorties]

<p>&nbsp;</p><p>crispin glover would've been an interesting choice ...</p><p><img height="226" src="http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/8993/cglover1-1.gif" width="175" border="0" /></p>

[HBox]

<p> </p><strong>badorties</strong> wrote:<br /><p> </p><p>crispin glover would've been an interesting choice ...</p><p><img width="175" height="226" border="0" src="http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/8993/cglover1-1.gif" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><font color="Navy"><font size="2">He's too busy making films with retards.</font></font><br /></p>

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[Sheeplovr]

<p><span class="postbody">he was chasing Lucy wearing a Fez.</span></p><p>Fez is hanging out with Batman?&nbsp;</p>

[bobrobot]

<p><strong><font color="#000099">The name &quot;Joker&quot; was culled from the combination of &quot;jacker &amp; choker&quot;...</font></strong></p><p><strong><font color="#000099">And the sequel will be called, &quot;Batman Finishes!&quot; (ewww...)</font></strong></p><p><img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/bobogolem/HAND_JOB.jpg" border="0" /></p>

[NortonRules]

Damn...I was praying that Edward Norton would be the Joker.&nbsp; It would be so perfect.&nbsp;

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font color="#000080"><font size="2">This is the guy the Joker was originally based on, Conrad Veidt.</font></font></p><p><img height="530" src="http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9596/tmwlfo2.jpg" width="365" border="0" />&nbsp;</p><p>I see no resemblence.</p>

[Meatball]

<p>Why the Joker at all?? Remember Jack Nicholson? He was a great Joker.</p><p>What i liked about the Batman Begins was the new original villian(s).</p><p>If a comedian must redo the Joker..i would love to see John Pinette do it. Wouldnt that be a riot??</p>

[Reephdweller]

<p>I still think Ray Romano is the best choice for the role of the Joker.</p><p><img height="339" src="http://www.robertklein.com/images/new%20bios/romanocolorbio.jpg" width="249" border="0" /></p><p><img height="196" src="http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/7537/joker.jpg" width="211" border="0" /></p>

[Don Stugots]

<strong>Reefdweller</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I still think Ray Romano is the best choice for the role of the Joker.</p><p><img height="339" src="http://www.robertklein.com/images/new%20bios/romanocolorbio.jpg" width="249" border="0" /></p><p><img height="196" src="http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/7537/joker.jpg" width="211" border="0" /></p><p>NNOOOOO!!!!! Come on, Batman!!!</p><p>(i will have to do my ray impersonation for everyone on wednesday)</p>

[who6489]

<strong>DJEvelEd</strong> wrote:<br />Christian Bale is working on a film with Lucy Liu on Ave C in Bayonne, right around the corner from me. I hope it's not a Batman movie because he was chasing Lucy wearing a Fez. That's not cool. <p>Here's the IMDB listing for the movie. No mention of Bale, though.</p><p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472205/">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472205/</a></p><p>I live and work in Bayonne as well, as does Newport King, if I'm not mistaken.</p><p>I saw the crews all week, and the cardboard direction signs for WTD. Now I know.</p><p>The last time I saw those signs, was for WOW, or War Of The Worlds.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<p>I like hearing Paul Bettany's name mentioned for this part...I think he'd be perfect for it.&nbsp; Too bad he didn't get to play (the original) John &quot;Hellblazer&quot; Constantine, though...he would have nailed that role.</p><p><img height="346" src="http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/4669/joker1small9vc.jpg" width="640" border="0" /></p>

[DJEvelEd]

<p>Who was that fezzed gentleman chasing Lucy Liu through the streets of Bayonne?</p><p>Some 84 year old named Elmer who doesn't know the war is over?</p><p>It's a mystery...</p>

[ShelleBink]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>badorties</strong> wrote:<p>batman's a brit anyway</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Really?&nbsp; Never noticed.&nbsp;</p>

[badorties]

<strong>ShelleBink</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>badorties</strong> wrote: <p>batman's a brit anyway</p><p>Really?&nbsp; Never noticed.&nbsp;</p><p>actually, he's welsh</p>

[blakjeezis]

Welsh people are Brits.

[mikeyboy]

<strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br />Welsh people are Brits. <p>It's all very vague for us 'Merkins out there.&nbsp;&nbsp;You might as well lump the Irish, Scottish and French in there too.</p>

[blakjeezis]

He, Bale, also has two dogs whose names may be of interest to those of us hereabouts, Mojo and Ramone. That's kinda funny.

[ShelleBink]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br />Welsh people are Brits.<p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And it comes full circle&nbsp;</p>

[badorties]

<strong>mikeyboy</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br />Welsh people are Brits. <p>It's all very vague for us 'Merkins out there.&nbsp;&nbsp;You might as well lump the Irish, Scottish and French in there too.</p><p>none of those groups would ever want to be lumped with the brits</p>

[HBox]

<p> </p><strong>badorties</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>mikeyboy</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>blakjeezis</strong> wrote:<br />Welsh people are Brits. <p>It's all very vague for us 'Merkins out there. You might as well lump the Irish, Scottish and French in there too.</p><p>none of those groups would ever want to be lumped with the brits</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>[color=navy]<font size="2">Thanks explain the joke guy.</font></p>



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[blakjeezis]

Uhm, Scottish people are British too.

[blakjeezis]

I guess it's time for a Social Studies lesson. Okay now, pay attention, children.

The United Kingdom (UK) of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is made up of 4 countries on 2 islands. England, Scotland and Wales are on the island of Great Britain, anyone from any of these 3 countries is considered British or a "Brit". Northern Ireland is one of 2 countries, the other being The Republic of Ireland or Eire that share the island of Ireland. (The hardcore Irish Nationalists don't really like that term, Eire, which is odd because it is their language's name for their homeland. They say using it is bowing down to British Imperialism. They prefer saying The Republic of Ireland. That may be changing though because for a very, very long time there was a strong anti Irish-Gaelic sentiment in Eire, even among the nationalists, but that has turned around in recent years and there is definitely a resurgence in the language, which I think is terrific).

The governments of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are devolved from the government of the UK, which is also the government of England. What that means is that they each have their own parliaments, parliamentary systems, and prime ministers with a certain amount of autonomy; matters such as education, healthcare, roads, public transport, national parks and historical sites are addressed and legislated within each country with no outside interference from London, the seat of the government of England and the UK. Issues like economic and monetary concerns, defense, national security, foreign policy, energy and such are handled by the government of the UK in accord with the devolved governments of the 3 other nations that make up the United Kingdom.

Has everyone got it now? Good. You may return to scratching in the dirt and grunting.



Oh, although he was indeed born in Wales, in interviews Christian Bale refers to himself as English. Now maybe he's just saying that to be expedient and avoid the blank, dumb stares from American interviewers, or maybe there's another reason. I don't know.

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[mikeyboy]

<p>um...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>USA!&nbsp; USA!&nbsp; USA!</p>

[cupcakelove]

<p>&nbsp;</p><p>I like Heath Ledger, but I don't know if he is right for the Joker. </p><a target="_self" href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/01/film.ledger.reut/index.html"></a>

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[christinb]

<p>I thought Batman Begins was pretty terrible compared to the batman movies in the past. I&nbsp;just couldn't get past Batman's voice in the new one because it sounded ike he was trying too hard.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And.......... oh yea Heath Ledger is HOT!!&nbsp;</p>

[JustJon]

<p>Announced by the WB:</p><p>Heath Ledger is officially the Joker</p><p>The title of the movie is The Dark Knight.&nbsp;</p>

[Tall_James]

<p>Announced by the WB:</p><p>Batman will have a new sidekick...</p><p><img height="290" src="http://munkystuff.munkyisland.com/images/looney/michiganjfrog5.jpg" width="267" border="0" /></p>

[badorties]

http://ibelieveinharveydent.warnerbros.com/images/dent.jpg


I BELIVE IN HARVER, TOO (http://www.ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com/)

[TheMojoPin]

The Joker looks like a fish.

That said, I have almost total faith in this movie and the people behind it. They've earned it.

And Two-Face is going to be so fucking awesome in the 3rd flick.

[Don Stugots]

i cant wait. i love batman.

[cougarjake13]

heath looks horrible as the joker

[SpicyMcHaggis]

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/JokerFinal1.jpg

I think this is going to be one dark as hell movie. I like. Of course the fans will be divided on this one. I perfer the psycho "I did this to myself" look than the chemical bath look.

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/JokerFinal1.jpg

I think this is going to be one dark as hell movie. I like. Of course the fans will be divided on this one. I perfer the psycho "I did this to myself" look than the chemical bath look.

That is really fucking creepy looking.

I actually think Ledger is a good actor, but I still can't picture how he's gonna pull off a character this bonkers. But, like I said, I have total faith in the filmmakers to get it done.

And it's pretty obvious that ol' Joker is gonna be responsible for Dent turning into Two-Face. I just hope they don't make the mistake of killing the villains off. I understand why Rai's bought it in the first, but at least they wisely let Scarecrow live.

[drusilla]

i can't stop looking at the picture

this is going to be a fun movie

[Landblast]

<p> Robin Williams was reportedly desperate to land the role


if Robin Williams would of landed this role I would of jumped off a bridge.

[drusilla]

he can be pretty dark. he's actually kind of good when he's in a "serious" movie.

[PapaBear]

he can be pretty dark.
He made me sooooo glad I'm no longer in the photo processing business!
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/.Archives/2002/09/20/aeonehourphoto.gif

[JPMNICK]

I am so pissed that this is not coming out this summer. instead Shrek 9 makes twenty billion dollars, and this movie will make shit even though chris nolan is directing and christian bale is the lead. everyone line up for pirates IV

[Bay Ridge Tim]

I just hope they don't make the mistake of killing the villains off.

They can kill off anyone they want, but not the Joker. They really need to develop a back-and-forth relationship with Batman and the Joker that needs to last more than just one movie. You can't set this guy up as Batman's arch-nemesis and have him only last one movie. It works so much better if the characters have a history together.

[Furtherman]

I am so pissed that this is not coming out this summer. instead Shrek 9 makes twenty billion dollars, and this movie will make shit even though chris nolan is directing and christian bale is the lead. everyone line up for pirates IV

It will be out next year. And it will make a lot of money. So I wouldn't worry about any of this summer's competition.


Anthony Michael Hall Joins The Dark Knight (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=20539)

I bet he is very happy.

"I signed a confidentiality agreement, and I can't say which part I'm playing because it affects the story," said Hall. "I can't give away the suspense - it's a $200 million surprise, and I don't want to be the guy to ruin it."

[drusilla]

robin?

[HBox]

I am so pissed that this is not coming out this summer. instead Shrek 9 makes twenty billion dollars, and this movie will make shit even though chris nolan is directing and christian bale is the lead. everyone line up for pirates IV

I think it will do OK. Begins had great staying power at the box office. Even though it started out with a somewhat disappointing opening it ended up with a higher final gross than Superman Returns. I think word of mouth has helped it build a bugger audience as time has gone by.

[TheMojoPin]

It will be out next year. And it will make a lot of money. So I wouldn't worry about any of this summer's competition.


Anthony Michael Hall Joins The Dark Knight (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=20539)

I bet he is very happy.

"I signed a confidentiality agreement, and I can't say which part I'm playing because it affects the story," said Hall. "I can't give away the suspense - it's a $200 million surprise, and I don't want to be the guy to ruin it."

Anthony Michael Hall IS...Bat Mite.

[TheMojoPin]

I think it will do OK. Begins had great staying power at the box office. Even though it started out with a somewhat disappointing opening it ended up with a higher final gross than Superman Returns. I think word of mouth has helped it build a bugger audience as time has gone by.

I think a lot of people were wary due to how crappy the last couple of Batman flicks had been. Now that the general consensus is mostly that Begins kicked some serious ass, I think you'll see a much bigger opening weekend haul.

[Tall_James]

It will be out next year. And it will make a lot of money. So I wouldn't worry about any of this summer's competition.


Anthony Michael Hall Joins The Dark Knight (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=20539)

I bet he is very happy.

"I signed a confidentiality agreement, and I can't say which part I'm playing because it affects the story," said Hall. "I can't give away the suspense - it's a $200 million surprise, and I don't want to be the guy to ruin it."

My thinking? Dr. Jonathan Crane. AKA The Scarecrow. They'll introduce him much like they introduced Dr. Curt Connors AKA The Lizard in the Spiderman films. He'll be a psychiatrist at Arkham.

[Gmann]

Cillian Murphy was Scarecrow in Batman Begins. I don't think theyre gonna bring in Anthony Michael Hall play that part. Gotta be someone totally new.

[Tall_James]

Cillian Murphy was Scarecrow in Batman Begins. I don't think theyre gonna bring in Anthony Michael Hall play that part. Gotta be someone totally new.

Jeez - you're right. How did I forget that? I stink.

[celery]

Jeez - you're right. How did I forget that? I stink.

I'd forgotten, too. That character didn't make much of an impression.

I do think it's strange that they're going to redo Joker and (presumably) Two-Faces origins. I thought this was supposed to be a prequel to the original trilogy, but now I guess they're throwing that out the window and starting with a new continuity.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

I can see Anthony Michael Hall as the Riddler. I think.

[cougarjake13]

robin?

cant be

ant mike hall looks older than bale, and from what i remember seeing him on dead zone he would look bigger than batman

[cougarjake13]

I can see Anthony Michael Hall as the Riddler. I think.

its prob the role


what else could he be if we already have heath as the joker, that other guy as 2 face


it would have to be riddler or the penguin

[cougarjake13]

I can see Anthony Michael Hall as the Riddler. I think.

maybe the mad hatter

[celery]

I don't think Joker and Riddler will be in the same movie. It's way too much, especially if you throw in Dent/Two-Face also.

Here's a site with some news:

http://www.indie.cinematical.com/2007/05/21/anthony-michael-hall-lands-role-in-the-dark-knight/

"I signed a confidentiality agreement, and I can't say which part I'm playing because it affects the story. I can't give away the suspense - it's a $200 million surprise, and I don't want to be the guy to ruin it." However, he does add that his next filming dates are in Chicago with Morgan Freeman. So, if Hall is shooting some solo stuff with Freeman, one has to assume that his character might be some sort of assistant to Lucius Fox; maybe an employee of Wayne Enterprises who is beginning to dig up more than he can chew?

I'm guessing all will just be a supporting non-supervillain character, similar to Christopher Walken as Max Schrek in Batman Returns.

its prob the role


what else could he be if we already have heath as the joker, that other guy as 2 face


it would have to be riddler or the penguin

[Bay Ridge Tim]

I'd forgotten, too. That character didn't make much of an impression.

I do think it's strange that they're going to redo Joker and (presumably) Two-Faces origins. I thought this was supposed to be a prequel to the original trilogy, but now I guess they're throwing that out the window and starting with a new continuity.

Batman Begins was never a prequel. It was always a new Batman story.

[celery]

Batman Begins was never a prequel. It was always a new Batman story.

Thanks, guess I was mistaken all along.

[drusilla]

Jeez - you're right. How did I forget that? I stink.


heh i actually thought you were kidding, that's why i didn't respond to that

[Gmann]

Whatever happens in these movies alls I can ask for is NO ROBIN!!!!

Im a big fan of the dark loner Batman. No kiddie sidekick. Screw that crap.

[cougarjake13]

Whatever happens in these movies alls I can ask for is NO ROBIN!!!!

Im a big fan of the dark loner Batman. No kiddie sidekick. Screw that crap.

if they ever do i hope they do it at the end of a movie in a cameo and it leads to a robin/ nightwing movie

[TooLowBrow]

Is there any comic book movie (besides x-men) that doesnt tell the tale of how the superhero got his or her powers? all of the batman movies show different shots of his parents getting shot, then him finding the batcave. we know he's batman, we know how he became batman. just show us batman, stop explaining how he grew to be batman. I hope that in this movie they start off with the premise that he is batman, then they take it from there. i can not stand watching the same thing in every movie

[MadMatt]

Is there any comic book movie (besides x-men) that doesnt tell the tale of how the superhero got his or her powers? all of the batman movies show different shots of his parents getting shot, then him finding the batcave. we know he's batman, we know how he became batman. just show us batman, stop explaining how he grew to be batman. I hope that in this movie they start off with the premise that he is batman, then they take it from there. i can not stand watching the same thing in every movie

Why would they want, or need, to backtrack? They were creating a "new vision" of Batman in "Begins" so they HAD to tell the origin story. If not, people could have thought it was a prequel, side story, etc. To reinvigorate the franchise they had to create a new definition of the starting point.

Telling the origin isn't (or shouldn't be) the case for all superhero movies, but it had to be a part of this one.

For the next Batman movie I envision something like the opening to the Spiderman sequels, where you get a quick recap of the last movie(s) during the opening credits via paintings, screencaps, what have you.

[TooLowBrow]

Why would they want, or need, to backtrack? They were creating a "new vision" of Batman in "Begins" so they HAD to tell the origin story. If not, people could have thought it was a prequel, side story, etc. To reinvigorate the franchise they had to create a new definition of the starting point.

Telling the origin isn't (or shouldn't be) the case for all superhero movies, but it had to be a part of this one.

For the next Batman movie I envision something like the opening to the Spiderman sequels, where you get a quick recap of the last movie(s) during the opening credits via paintings, screencaps, what have you.
I was fine with the origin of batman in the last movie. it restarted the franchise, and told the batman year one tale, the origin WAS the movie.
in spiderman, batman, whatever, do we need to see how even the bad guys were created? there is very little character endurance for bad guys. we see how they came to be, and by the end of the movie we see how they die. why cant the villain just be? example, the usual suspects, kaisar soze... we never saw how he got to be such a bad ass, or what motivated him, yet we all understood what he was and how he got things done... if the joker came out in a movie i dont need to know why he's evil, HES THE JOKER. just make him a character, dont make his whole attitude stem from when he was created, which is how they usually do it

[Furtherman]

I was fine with the origin of batman in the last movie. it restarted the franchise, and told the batman year one tale, the origin WAS the movie.
in spiderman, batman, whatever, do we need to see how even the bad guys were created? there is very little character endurance for bad guys. we see how they came to be, and by the end of the movie we see how they die. why cant the villain just be? example, the usual suspects, kaisar soze... we never saw how he got to be such a bad ass, or what motivated him, yet we all understood what he was and how he got things done... if the joker came out in a movie i dont need to know why he's evil, HES THE JOKER. just make him a character, dont make his whole attitude stem from when he was created, which is how they usually do it

I have no idea what your point is with characters' origins.

Do we need to see how the bad guys were created?

Yes, of course.

And Kaiser Soze? Pehaps you forget the whole scene of him killing his family? Yes, we needed to know Kaiser Soze was THAT evil.

Sure, you might know where the Joker came from, and you know he's evil. But the movies aren't made for you. They're made for everyone, and you have to have some character development as to WHY this person is evil. Or else it will just be a bad movie.

[JustJon]

Is there any comic book movie (besides x-men) that doesnt tell the tale of how the superhero got his or her powers?

Well, although X-Men are born with powers, there was an "origin sequence" in X-Men. When Wolverine is first brought to the mansion, there was a 5-10 minute exposition sequence explaining mutants, explaining the school, explaining the X-Men and their origins.

[badorties]

Is there any comic book movie (besides x-men) that doesnt tell the tale of how the superhero got his or her powers? all of the batman movies show different shots of his parents getting shot, then him finding the batcave. we know he's batman, we know how he became batman. just show us batman, stop explaining how he grew to be batman. I hope that in this movie they start off with the premise that he is batman, then they take it from there. i can not stand watching the same thing in every movie

there wouldn't be much of an origin story with the x-men: they're genetic mutants

having said that ... in the first movie, there's background stories on magneto, rogue and bobby ... the second movie is mostly about wolverine's origin ... and the third has jean gray's origin as a plot point

the latest batman was to restart the franchise, and they wanted to retell the origin story to place its stamp on the mythology ... there wasn't much background on falcone or the scarecrow -- but with the joker, there should be a re-introduction to establish his importance ... the only real mistake they'll make is if they kill him off at the end of movie

[MadMatt]

I was fine with the origin of batman in the last movie. it restarted the franchise, and told the batman year one tale, the origin WAS the movie.
in spiderman, batman, whatever, do we need to see how even the bad guys were created? there is very little character endurance for bad guys. we see how they came to be, and by the end of the movie we see how they die. why cant the villain just be? example, the usual suspects, kaisar soze... we never saw how he got to be such a bad ass, or what motivated him, yet we all understood what he was and how he got things done... if the joker came out in a movie i dont need to know why he's evil, HES THE JOKER. just make him a character, dont make his whole attitude stem from when he was created, which is how they usually do it

I can see your point, at least in part. In many cases the "creation" of the vilian is tied to the plotline, so an origin is necessary. However, there has been a tendency to kill off the villain at the end of the movie, which I don't agree with at all. It just doesn't fit with the comicbook sensibility of recurring villains.

They don't have to be in every movie, but the fact that they are out there is enough. The Hero doesn't have to completely dominate, defeat, and destroy the villain to make a good movie.

[HBox]

More good news and a couple of pics here. (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-05-28-dark-knight-firstlook_N.htm)

Nolan is filming four action scenes, including the introduction of the Joker, with IMAX cameras. I saw Begins in IMAX and it already looked incredible. I can't wait for this.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

More good news and a couple of pics here. (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-05-28-dark-knight-firstlook_N.htm)

Nolan is filming four action scenes, including the introduction of the Joker, with IMAX cameras. I saw Begins in IMAX and it already looked incredible. I can't wait for this.

I only saw that one picture? What am I missing here?

[HBox]

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/DKbatsuit.jpg

[Sheeplovr]

i like batman

[TheMojoPin]

I actually like that suit better. I preferred it when they made his suit look more like body armor in the 2nd Burton movie, too. It's goofy enough to dress up like a bat...wearing a sculpted muscle suit just seems even weirder.

[Don Stugots]

i like batman

me three.

[MadMatt]

Cool! I dig the new costume. It has always frustrated me that they change costumes every movie, but I think this is a step up. It makes more sense in terms of armor and flexibility/mobility.

I hope they keep it though. Batman simply doesn't change his costume that often.

[EliSnow]

I actually like that suit better. I preferred it when they made his suit look more like body armor in the 2nd Burton movie, too. It's goofy enough to dress up like a bat...wearing a sculpted muscle suit just seems even weirder.

I agree with you, except for that the suit in Batman Returns looked like body armor. I think it was just as much of a sculpted muscle suit as any of the others (Plus, other than Michelle Pheiffer, I can find nothing good to say about that movie. Well, maybe one thing, it's not as bad as Batman & Robin.)

[TheMojoPin]

I agree with you, except for that the suit in Batman Returns looked like body armor. I think it was just as much of a sculpted muscle suit as any of the others (Plus, other than Michelle Pheiffer, I can find nothing good to say about that movie. Well, maybe one thing, it's not as bad as Batman & Robin.)

Nah, it was less "muscle-y." Take a look:

http://www.starman-imaging.com/mar05/batretn2426a.jpg

Especially compared to the other 3 films from that era.

But man, it's funny how him just being able to turn his head makes it look that much better.

I enjoy BR more than any of the other "original four," just because it's so weird. Walken's hair is hysterical in it. But at the end of the day, it's still a shitty Batman movie, just like the others from that time...like the first, Batman seems to be a supporting character in his own movie.

[EliSnow]

Nah, it was less "muscle-y." Take a look:

http://www.starman-imaging.com/mar05/batretn2426a.jpg

Especially compared to the other 3 films from that era.

But man, it's funny how him just being able to turn his head makes it look that much better.

I enjoy BR more than any of the other "original four," just because it's so weird. Walken's hair is hysterical in it. But at the end of the day, it's still a shitty Batman movie, just like the others from that time...like the first, Batman seems to be a supporting character in his own movie.

I can see what you mean in that picture. The "muscle" aspects of the suit, while there, are designed in a way so that people know that they are aspects of the suit, and not pretending to be Bat's muscles bulging the suit.

BR is very weird, which is part of my problem with it. But ultimately, although fans love Burton compared to Schumacher, I think they both made the same mistake. They both chose stylistic elements that, in the second movie for both, completely overwhelmed everything else in the films. The only reason that Burton is better than Schumacher is that his style fit better with Batman than Schumacher's did.

But every time I think of BR, I think of, amongst other things, a programmable batarang that could change directiosn in midair, a toy train of villains going down the streets of Gotham somehow able to kidnap kids just because their parents were at a party (umm, how about the police?), and a Bruce Wayne who mistakes himself for someone else.

[MadMatt]

I enjoy BR more than any of the other "original four," just because it's so weird. Walken's hair is hysterical in it. But at the end of the day, it's still a shitty Batman movie, just like the others from that time...like the first, Batman seems to be a supporting character in his own movie.

I am completely with you on this. Burton was great when it came to developing the villains, but he did so at the expense of Batman. The first movie should have been called "The Joker" and the second "Catwoman vs. The Penguin."

That's one of the many reasons I am so much happier with the new Batman. It's grittier, more serious, and Batman is clearly the main character. And the scenery/sets are not overpowering - they provide a background for the story, not a separate, distracting "character."

[Furtherman]

The Batpod...

http://www.comingsoon.net/images/batpod1.jpg

http://www.comingsoon.net/images/batpod2.jpg

[JustJon]

And rumor sites are reporting...

Anthony Michael Hall is playing Edward Nygma. With Aaron Eckhardt playing Harvey Dent, we are looking at a potential Batman 3 with the same villains as Schumacher's Batman 3

[MadMatt]

The Batpod...

http://www.comingsoon.net/images/batpod1.jpg

http://www.comingsoon.net/images/batpod2.jpg

Wow, that looks really cool! Dynamic and simple with that red and white "X" design.

Not what I expected, but it is good to see they are taking chances!

:lol:
j/k

[MadMatt]

And rumor sites are reporting...

Anthony Michael Hall is playing Edward Nygma. With Aaron Eckhardt playing Harvey Dent, we are looking at a potential Batman 3 with the same villains as Schumacher's Batman 3

I think one of them is a "plant." Just like Dr. Curt Connors was in the 2nd Spiderman movie but they didn't develop the Lizard as a villain. His inclusion added a lot of speculation, but ultimately drew everybody off the scent.

[Furtherman]

The Batpod...

http://www.comingsoon.net/images/batpod1.jpg

http://www.comingsoon.net/images/batpod2.jpg

Wow, that looks really cool! Dynamic and simple with that red and white "X" design.

Not what I expected, but it is good to see they are taking chances!

:lol:
j/k

WTF?? They were there when I left!

Here is the link with the picture of the Batpod. (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=21139)

[TheMojoPin]

I think one of them is a "plant." Just like Dr. Curt Connors was in the 2nd Spiderman movie but they didn't develop the Lizard as a villain. His inclusion added a lot of speculation, but ultimately drew everybody off the scent.

Or that one of them might be the villain in the 4th film. I can see them holding off Two-Face until then and really building up Harvey Dent as a character so that when he does fall, it has that much more impact.

[MadMatt]

Or that one of them might be the villain in the 4th film. I can see them holding off Two-Face until then and really building up Harvey Dent as a character so that when he does fall, it has that much more impact.

Yes, great point.

How many movies is Christian Bale locked in for? I think it is at least 3.

[TheMojoPin]

Yes, great point.

How many movies is Christian Bale locked in for? I think it is at least 3.

Yeah, 3 for now. I think that's the case for all the major actors who were in the 1st one.

One thing I would love to see them do with Two-Face is play up his law and order side to the hilt when he's "split." In the comics and the cartoon, he's pretty much mostly bad except when his coin tells him to back off, but he's depicted as being one of the bad guys and hanging around them pretty often. I'd rather see him as truly a lone wolf type of character who, because of his split personality and the difference of those personalities, could turn on anyone, good or bad, at any given time.

[HBox]

Rumor is that there will be a teaser attached to the Simpsons Movie this weekend. As if I needed any more reason to go see it.

[HBox]

There was a teaser attached but it didn't show anything other than the Batman logo. Throughout the teaser it was slowly being illuminated from behind by blue light while Batman and Alfred were talking. I'll post what they were talking about in spoilers since it gives a vague idea about the plot.

Batman is talking about how the mob is escalating by hiring someone they can't handle. Alfred says that Batman started the escalation. Batman says that dealing with the mob is one thing but dealing with this guy is different. Alfred says that there are some people who "just want to watch the world burn." Then you get to hear the Joker for the first time.

"Tonight people will start to die." Maniacal laughter.

For one line and a laugh at least Ledger pulled it off very very well.

[weekapaugjz]

There was a teaser attached but it didn't show anything other than the Batman logo. Throughout the teaser it was slowly being illuminated from behind by blue light while Batman and Alfred were talking. I'll post what they were talking about in spoilers since it gives a vague idea about the plot.

Batman is talking about how the mob is escalating by hiring someone they can't handle. Alfred says that Batman started the escalation. Batman says that dealing with the mob is one thing but dealing with this guy is different. Alfred says that there are some people who "just want to watch the world burn." Then you get to hear the Joker for the first time.

"Tonight people will start to die." Maniacal laughter.

For one line and a laugh at least Ledger pulled it off very very well.

very cool.

i heard that this movie was going to take some ideas from the long halloween dealing with trying to bring down the falcone crime family.

[TheMojoPin]

There was a teaser attached but it didn't show anything other than the Batman logo. Throughout the teaser it was slowly being illuminated from behind by blue light while Batman and Alfred were talking. I'll post what they were talking about in spoilers since it gives a vague idea about the plot.

Batman is talking about how the mob is escalating by hiring someone they can't handle. Alfred says that Batman started the escalation. Batman says that dealing with the mob is one thing but dealing with this guy is different. Alfred says that there are some people who "just want to watch the world burn." Then you get to hear the Joker for the first time.

"Tonight people will start to die." Maniacal laughter.

For one line and a laugh at least Ledger pulled it off very very well.

You left out "I'm a man of my word" before the laugh.

[HBox]

click here if you want to see the joker. (http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3449/theknifeny0.jpg)

[JPMNICK]

who is taking over for Katie Holmes in this one? i do not see her on the IMDB for this movie

Edit: Missed that it was Maggie Gylenhal who is taking over.

do you really think that Katie turned down the role, or did they not offer it to her?

[MadMatt]

who is taking over for Katie Holmes in this one? i do not see her on the IMDB for this movie

Tom Cruise wouldn't let her out to play. I think Maggie Gyllenhaal is taking over the part.

EDIT: Aaaaaaaand apparently you found out yourself. As a follow-up, I think Katie Holmes is "taking a break" from her acting career to focus on the family.

[MadMatt]

click here if you want to see the joker. (http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3449/theknifeny0.jpg)

Damn, I want a better picture than that.

It looks like he is going with white makeup rather than chemically bleached white skin. I don't know how I feel about that.

[TheMojoPin]

Wow, the makeup looks REALLY crappy in that. I'm inclined to think it's a test shot since the other leaked footage and phots I've seen make it pretty clear that it looks like his skin is white and not just makeup. The scars also look pretty bad and kind of slapped on in contrast to other photos we've seen.

[JPMNICK]

Wow, the makeup looks REALLY crappy in that. I'm inclined to think it's a test shot since the other leaked footage and phots I've seen make it pretty clear that it looks like his skin is white and not just makeup. The scars also look pretty bad and kind of slapped on in contrast to other photos we've seen.

i was thinking the same thing, the angle looks kind of weird, so maybe they were test shooting the makeup to see what it will look like in HD

[HBox]

here's another one, from farther away. (http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6130/heathjokeryb5.jpg)

The makeup doesn't bother me. I think it fits with what they are going for. The whole face is sloppy to begin with.

[TheMojoPin]

here's another one, from farther away. (http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6130/heathjokeryb5.jpg)

The makeup doesn't bother me. I think it fits with what they are going for. The whole face is sloppy to begin with.

Sloppy is fine. Even if his skin isn't actually white, it's not the end of the world. I've read what I'm almost positive is actually the leaked script, and if it is for real, the Joker is going to be incredible in this. My only real issue with the pic you linked to first is just how bad the smile looks. It doesn't look like anything except some makeup putty barely slapped on to his face. But the longer hair? Awesome.

[MadMatt]

Wow, the makeup looks REALLY crappy in that. I'm inclined to think it's a test shot since the other leaked footage and phots I've seen make it pretty clear that it looks like his skin is white and not just makeup. The scars also look pretty bad and kind of slapped on in contrast to other photos we've seen.

i was thinking the same thing, the angle looks kind of weird, so maybe they were test shooting the makeup to see what it will look like in HD

Sloppy is fine. Even if his skin isn't actually white, it's not the end of the world. I've read what I'm almost positive is actually the leaked script, and if it is for real, the Joker is going to be incredible in this. My only real issue with the pic you linked to first is just how bad the smile looks. It doesn't look like anything except some makeup putty barely slapped on to his face. But the longer hair? Awesome.

My assumption is they are going to actually make the Joker the psychopathic lunatic he is supposed to be. for that he doesn't have to have white skin, as long as he is portrayed as a murderous nutcase.

Having him wear crappy makeup might even make him appear MORE deranged and insane.

[weekapaugjz]

My assumption is they are going to actually make the Joker the psychopathic lunatic he is supposed to be. for that he doesn't have to have white skin, as long as he is portrayed as a murderous nutcase.

Having him wear crappy makeup might even make him appear MORE deranged and insane.

i read that they had ledger read the killing joke to prep for the role. i haven't read this one yet, cause i can't find it anywhere, but from what i have seen, this is supposed to be one of the best portrayals of the joker.

[TheMojoPin]

OK, this is another fake trailer, but is that Heath in the very first shot? (http://youtube.com/watch?v=B27Ih15DQow) The other clips are from the first film or other films totally (the guy in the trenchcoat shuffling is from Se7en)...but where the hell did that opening shot of the Joker come from? I suppose it could be a fan film, but I thought I had seen all the major ones, and I don't remember any of the Jokers looking like that.

[EliSnow]

OK, this is another fake trailer, but is that Heath in the very first shot? (http://youtube.com/watch?v=B27Ih15DQow) The other clips are from the first film or other films totally (the guy in the trenchcoat shuffling is from Se7en)...but where the hell did that opening shot of the Joker come from? I suppose it could be a fan film, but I thought I had seen all the major ones, and I don't remember any of the Jokers looking like that.

Shit. I can't see it from work. Can you do a screen cap of the first shot?

[EliSnow]

According to AICN.Com, Here's (http://video.whysoserious.com/TDK_Teaser_HD_Best_L98hufT.mov) a real teaser for the movie.

[IMSlacker]

Shit. I can't see it from work. Can you do a screen cap of the first shot?

Here ya go. His face doesn't looked very scarred up though.



http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s25/IMSlacker/joker.jpg

Looks a lot like The Crow.

[TheMojoPin]

Here ya go. His face doesn't looked very scarred up though.



http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s25/IMSlacker/joker.jpg

Well, if what I've read is accurate, the really nasty looking scar smile we've seen is something he inflicts on himself over the course of the film. When the film starts out, he's basically a hitman/enforcer/supercriminal for hire with a "schtick" and I believe the smile is just painted on, so maybe that's what the clip shows.

[grlNIN]

I hope it's lipstick.

[cougarjake13]

Here ya go. His face doesn't looked very scarred up though.



http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s25/IMSlacker/joker.jpg

Looks a lot like The Crow.

looks like the crow and it def looks like heath moreso than the other pics but those are at weird angles so who knows

[underdog]

Here's another (http://www.kino-govno.com/images.php?id=batman6&img=3)

[cougarjake13]

Here's another (http://www.kino-govno.com/images.php?id=batman6&img=3)

that one was posted already a few posts up

[TheMojoPin]

1-800-395-9646

[cougarjake13]

1-800-395-9646

whats that number for mojo ???

[TheMojoPin]

whats that number for mojo ???

Call it.

It's free, so what do you have to lose?

[cougarjake13]

Call it.

It's free, so what do you have to lose?

interesting

[JPMNICK]

edit : forget it

[TheMojoPin]

You can see the best version of teaser so far (in terms of good quality and it's not ginormous) at this site. (http://www.whysoserious.com)

Before the trailer went up, that site was the location for a pretty cool and pretty creepy viral ad campaign you can see detailed at this site. (http://www.moviesnobs.net/the-dark-knight-viral-marketing/)

[EliSnow]

i read that they had ledger read the killing joke to prep for the role. i haven't read this one yet, cause i can't find it anywhere, but from what i have seen, this is supposed to be one of the best portrayals of the joker.

Well, in it, the Joker shoots Barbara Gordan, thereby paralyzing her -- and then it implies he rapes her -- then he kidnaps Jim Gordan, tortures him, in part by showing pictures of his daughter after being raped.

[TheMojoPin]

Well, in it, the Joker shoots Barbara Gordan, thereby paralyzing her -- and then it implies he rapes her -- then he kidnaps Jim Gordan, tortures him, in part by showing pictures of his daughter after being raped.

Whoa, where did you get that? I don't see anything that indicates he did anything except take really humiliating photos of her to mess with Gordon. Besides, there's no way DC is going to let anyone write the Joker raping freakin' Batgirl, "mature readers" tag or not. Hell, Vertigo didn't even exist at that point. I guess I can see why someone might make that assumption, but I think it's a leap to do so and completely out of character even for someone as fucked up as the Joker.

Like most people, I really enjoy TKJ, but I've always found it interesting that it's one story that Alan Moore has tried to distance himself from over the years, calling it "clumsy, misjudged and [devoid of] real human importance." I think it's fantastic up until the very last page, which makes absolutely no sense. Maybe that's the "point," but after everything that's gone down (including that this story is after the death of Robin II), Batman's actions on that last page are baffling.

[EliSnow]

Whoa, where did you get that? I don't see anything that indicates he did anything except take really humiliating photos of her to mess with Gordon. Besides, there's no way DC is going to let anyone write the Joker raping freakin' Batgirl, "mature readers" tag or not. Hell, Vertigo didn't even exist at that point. I guess I can see why someone might make that assumption, but I think it's a leap to do so and completely out of character even for someone as fucked up as the Joker.

I've read several articles, including with quotes by Moore, that suggest this plot line. I have a vague memory that this development was supposed to be explicit, but was later changed. Of couse, I'm relying on memory here, so I may be wrong about that, or even the Moore quotes.

Here's a "debate" on a comics measageboard where the writer John Ostrander writes that he thinks this happened:Killing Joke Debate (http://www.comicscommunity.com/boards/ostrander/?frames=n;read=4642&expand=1)

[TheMojoPin]

I've read several articles, including with quotes by Moore, that suggest this plot line. I have a vague memory that this development was supposed to be explicit, but was later changed. Of couse, I'm relying on memory here, so I may be wrong about that, or even the Moore quotes.

Here's a "debate" on a comics measageboard where the writer John Ostrander writes that he thinks this happened:Killing Joke Debate (http://www.comicscommunity.com/boards/ostrander/?frames=n;read=4642&expand=1)

Interesting thread, but it's ultimately just Ostrander saying that's what he thinks happened. I agree more with the poster that points how actually desexualized the Joker has been portrayed over the last 30 years or so.

I'd be curious to see any Moore quotes that talk about him proposing or writing that. I'm not saying it's not possible...just that it's highly unlikely, especially given that DC adopted the story almost right away as a cannon. That might have been his original idea, but I think ultimately that's not how it's written in the book at all. It's be pretty tricky to just leave it out over the next 20 years.

At the end of the day I'd like to think that if it was originally the idea Moore took it out simply because it flies so much in the face of the character more than anything else. It'd exist as little more than a cheap shock.

[booster11373]

If it were real would the Joker have raped Barbara Gordon and then take pics to torment her father, absolutly

I read it when I was about 15/16 years old maybe a bit younger and I never picked up a rape angle

[booster11373]

The Jokers a great villian and many great stories have been centered around him but someone should have killed his ass a long time ago, His body count is up there with a small civil war in central Africa

[EliSnow]

If it were real would the Joker have raped Barbara Gordon and then take pics to torment her father, absolutly


Exactly.

Even if the Joker really wasn't sexual, I could see him raping Barbara for the effect it would have on Gordon, not for his own wants, etc.

[TheMojoPin]

If it were real would the Joker have raped Barbara Gordon and then take pics to torment her father, absolutly

I read it when I was about 15/16 years old maybe a bit younger and I never picked up a rape angle

But how does it fit the character at all? Like I said, and others have pointed out, the Joker is a very distinctly unsexualized character over the last 3 decades since he was remade as a psycho killer again. It doesn't fit with anything else he usually does, nor is it even necessary in the context of the story. I think it bugs me more not because of the idea itself but just that a writer as a good as more would write something that pointless and sloppy in something that is otherwise an excellent and definitive study of the character.

[TheMojoPin]

Exactly.

Even if the Joker really wasn't sexual, I could see him raping Barbara for the effect it would have on Gordon, not for his own wants, etc.

It really flies in the face of everything we know about the character. Maybe having someone else do it, sure, but himself? It contrasts with everything else we've seen. By that logic, are you assuming he buggered Robin 2 before he blew him up?

[EliSnow]

It really flies in the face of everything we know about the character. Maybe having someone else do it, sure, but himself? It contrasts with everything else we've seen. By that logic, are you assuming he buggered Robin 2 before he blew him up?

No, not at all, because he didn't take pictures of Robin and then show them to Batman to torture Batman emotionally.

As for consistency of his character, has there ever been any story where the Joker did something like what he did to Gordon in the Killing Joke? I'm fairly certain he never did. So the whole thing was out of character for him.

His goal in the Killing Joke was to really show Gordon what one bad day could do to a man. As part of that, he did all those things to Gordon's "daughter." And sexually assaulting a man's daughter is one of those things to drive a man to such a state. Buggering Jason Todd wouldn't have the same effect on Batman because of the different relationship that Bats and Jason Todd had compared to the Gordons.

Now maybe it wasn't rape, as in the Joker actualy raping her himself, but maybe some other type of sexual assault using some foreign objects?

[EliSnow]

Finally, something you said may give insight into Moore's subsequent thoughts about the story. You said that you didn't like this turn because you didn't like to think of a good writer doing something so "pointless and sloppy."

Yet, didn't you say that Moore subsequently thought the story was "clumsy, misjudged, and [devoid of] real human importance?" Maybe he came to the same opinion of the story as you do of this development for the same reason.

[TheMojoPin]

Finally, something you said may give insight into Moore's subsequent thoughts about the story. You said that you didn't like this turn because you didn't like to think of a good writer doing something so "pointless and sloppy."

Yet, didn't you say that Moore subsequently thought the story was "clumsy, misjudged, and [devoid of] real human importance?" Maybe he came to the same opinion of the story as you do of this development for the same reason.

Very true.

As for consistency of his character, has there ever been any story where the Joker did something like what he did to Gordon in the Killing Joke? I'm fairly certain he never did. So the whole thing was out of character for him.

Well, I'd disagree. We've seen tons of stories where he's trying to mess with people's heads or drive them crazy. We've also seem him lash out with no pause violently, killing who knows how many people, so shooting someone in the gut like that isn't all that surprising. The key is we've never seen him do anything even remotely sexual with his actions, unless you want to get into the whole homoerotic fixation between him and Batman.

His goal in the Killing Joke was to really show Gordon what one bad day could do to a man. As part of that, he did all those things to Gordon's "daughter." And sexually assaulting a man's daughter is one of those things to drive a man to such a state. Buggering Jason Todd wouldn't have the same effect on Batman because of the different relationship that Bats and Jason Todd had compared to the Gordons.

Fair enough, but in the context of the story, it still just seems wholly unecessary and pointlessly grotesque. He's already kidnapped Gordon, tortured him, paralyzed his daughter by shooting her and then taking degrading photos...yes, presented that way, a sexual assault would be a kind of ultimate "fuck you," but it still doesn't fit with the character. Even the nude pohots seem done in a clinical and deliberate way that's very desexualized...graduating to rape is such a huge step from that and so out of place for that character. The photos seemed more to show off the what the gun had done as explicitly as possible in terms of her being shot and paralyzed.

Now maybe it wasn't rape, as in the Joker actualy raping her himself, but maybe some other type of sexual assault using some foreign objects?

Ewwww...I suppose, but ultimately I think these semantics are pointless to the rest of the story. We don't "need" the Joker raping or doing whatever to Barbara to achieve the necessary effect.

I'm agreeing more and more that this is probably one of the main reasons Moore isn't too fond of this one.

[EliSnow]

Very true.



Well, I'd disagree. We've seen tons of stories where he's trying to mess with people's heads or drive them crazy. We've also seem him lash out with no pause violently, killing who knows how many people, so shooting someone in the gut like that isn't all that surprising. The key is we've never seen him do anything even remotely sexual with his actions, unless you want to get into the whole homoerotic fixation between him and Batman.



The nude photos are something new. Yes, he does fuck with people's minds, and randomly kill people, but the nude photos of someone's daughter is different than what he's done before (or since for that matter).



Even the nude pohots seem done in a clinical and deliberate way that's very desexualized...graduating to rape is such a huge step from that and so out of place for that character. The photos seemed more to show off the what the gun had done as explicitly as possible in terms of her being shot and paralyzed.





While the nude photos may be "desexualized," I think there is still some element where the sexual comes in. He could have shone the gunshot without stripping her completely nude. So why show her completely nude, unless to bring in the sexual aspect of it? Think of it, if you saw nude pictures of a loved one who has been the victim of a crime, etc. taken by the person who harmed that person, you're going to wonder if the victim was sexually assaulted.

And if the Joker took the pictures knowing that Gordon would be wondering whether Barbara was assaulted, why not do it to make the day even worse and try to push him past his breaking point.

I'm agreeing more and more that this is probably one of the main reasons Moore isn't too fond of this one.


So does that mean that you think that she was raped, or simply that Moore didn't like that rape may have been inferred because of the way he presented the story.

[TheMojoPin]

So does that mean that you think that she was raped, or simply that Moore didn't like that rape may have been inferred because of the way he presented the story.

Some kind of middle ground. It wouldn't surprise me if that was his original plan to have that explicitly spelled out and he was either told to drop it or did so himself. I think it's indicative of a writer who's not sure where the story is going, something that I think the book's ending very likely backs up. I think his main idea was the origin story for the Joker and then he tried to shoehorn it into the present day and he wasn't quite sure how to do so. I also think he viewed his origin story as possibly being too sympathetic so he upped the psycho level in the present to contrast that and may have realized at some point, "hang on, how far is this going?"

Personally, I never got even an inkling of an idea that the Joker had his way with Barbara even when I first read it 15 years ago or so. There's nothing that really points to it happening in the story and especially nothing since. And again, in my opinion, it's totally out of place for the Joker's character, and I think a writer as good as Moore would realize that, even in a story he's come to not be too fond of over the years.

I'm not trying to get into semantics as to which is worse, but if you inject rape into the Joker's list of crimes, in my opinion it pretty much makes him totally unusable and one note...he'd actually become TOO evil and twisted, especially since it would be of a major character we still see to this day. Again, I'm not trying to start the argument as to whether or not rape or murder is worse, but in terms of the Joker and what we've seen, murder from him makes "sense" whereas rape would be totally out of left field and doesn't really come close to resembling we've seen before or since. It's unecessary in the context of the story and the character, and there's nothing that really points to it.

[badorties]

if you can't find a copy of the killing joke, you can pick it up in the alan moore DC compilation, great superman story there too

[EliSnow]

if you can't find a copy of the killing joke, you can pick it up in the alan moore DC compilation, great superman story there too

Is it either Whatever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow or For The Man Who Has Everything?

[TheMojoPin]

Is it either Whatever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow or For The Man Who Has Everything?

The latest Alan Moore DC collection thankfully has both.

[HBox]

The latest Alan Moore DC collection thankfully has both.

Does it have the goddamn Batman?

Oh wait, that's the other guy.

[TheMojoPin]

Does it have the goddamn Batman?

Oh wait, that's the other guy.

It's not a book, IT'S A GODDAMN WAR, AND YOU'VE JUST BEEN DRAFTED. ARE YOU GONNA READ IT, OR ARE YOU SOME KIND OF SISSY?!?

[EliSnow]

It's not a book, IT'S A GODDAMN WAR, AND YOU'VE JUST BEEN DRAFTED. ARE YOU GONNA READ IT, OR ARE YOU SOME KIND OF SISSY?!?

No, just dense and retarded:

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/8596/goddamnbatmanep8.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

Heh...Miller has slowly been going insane over the last 10 years or so. I'm very wary of the idea of him writing new Sin City stories for the 3rd film so pretty much everything he's written has been hamfisted crap for a while now. I mean, let's face it...300 the book and film both LOOKED great, but the actual writing was a little...uh...well...not so great.

[EliSnow]

Heh...Miller has slowly been going insane over the last 10 years or so. I'm very wary of the idea of him writing new Sin City stories for the 3rd film so pretty much everything he's written has been hamfisted crap for a while now. I mean, let's face it...300 the book and film both LOOKED great, but the actual writing was a little...uh...well...not so great.

Hey, I think Alan Moore's been insane for a little bit longer:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Alan_Moore.jpg

However, I think it works for him.

[TheMojoPin]

Hey, I think Alan Moore's been insane for a little bit longer:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Alan_Moore.jpg

However, I think it works for him.

I don't think Moore has ever NOT been insane. That said, at least he's still putting out decent work, unlike Miller.

The guy who I think, however, has them both beat in terms of being nuts and still putting out awesome work is good ol' Grant Morrison:

http://roswell.fortunecity.com/vortex/269/comic_a.jpg

[booster11373]

But the Joker to me....

The Joker has always been about madness doing something so outrageous just to do it, I dont think he ever wants to kill Batman, he just wants to drive him mad.

Killing Joke is a good story but it shouldn't be part of Batman continuity anymore and speaking of continuity the whole DC u is bonkers now since Infinite and 52

[TheMojoPin]

But the Joker to me....

The Joker has always been about madness doing something so outrageous just to do it,

I don't think that's the character at all. That's more like one-note villains like Spider-Man's Carnage. The Joker is more dangerous because he is so calculating in his insanity.

I dont think he ever wants to kill Batman, he just wants to drive him mad.

Or that Batman can only die "his way."

Killing Joke is a good story but it shouldn't be part of Batman continuity anymore and speaking of continuity the whole DC u is bonkers now since Infinite and 52

It's kind of hard to ignore it since it's the reason why Batgirl is Oracle now.

[Furtherman]

http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/005607/Batsuit-a.gif

DARK KNIGHT FOOTAGE MAKES ITS DEBUT (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/movies/dark_knight/005607875.cfm)
A full report on the first look at Christopher Nolan’s Batman sequel including the Joker, the Batpod and…Two Face?

The footage sped up at that point into an intense montage of action, featuring the following clips:

- The new batsuit rising up from a trap door in the ground and held in a chain metal case.

- Rachel Dawes (played by Maggie Gyllenhaal) close to an unidentified man either kissing him or being threatened by him as the camera rotates around them.

- The Joker and Batman battling in close quarters (possibly a hospital room). Batman throws Joker over a table and crashing into the ground while the clown smiles at him. It should be noted that the Joker was done up in his signature purple suit.

- Plenty of big, bold Batmobile action including a shot where the tank-like car drives through a wall of flame. In fact, flames were pretty much everywhere in the footage as it appears Joker does actually make the world burn.

- There is also a shot of a somewhat grim-faced Joker walking across a city street mercilessly firing a machine gun as well as a television close-up of the Joker laughing hysterically.

- Two major additions to the speculation that Two Face will appear in the film came in the form of a single shot of a spinning 50 cent piece and the final image: after the action montage has slowed down, the camera cuts to a bartender looking at Harvey Dent, whose only onscreen presence is his left shoulder and a bit of a reddish-purple scarred neck. “Dent! I thought you were dead!” the man gasps, to which Harvey replies, “Half.”

[TheMojoPin]

Crap...I wonder if anyone's footage of the screeing showed up on YouTube. I just tried a bunch of searches and only got people being interviewed about it afterwards. Warner Bros' probably yanked everything off the 'ent as fast as they could find it.

[Furtherman]

They probably didn't allow any electronic equipment into the screening. Had cell phones checked.

[TheMojoPin]

They probably didn't allow any electronic equipment into the screening. Had cell phones checked.

Ah, good point. Dammit, I wanna see the footage so bad! Geek-sense is going into overdrive!

[Tall_James]

LOTS OF PICTURES !!! (http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/14696019.html#cutid1)

[MadMatt]

Excellent! Thanks TJ - those pics rock!

Only problem: Christian Bale looks... smaller this time. He has lost muscle mass. I'm not too thrilled with that, but I will let it go for now.

[TheMojoPin]

Oh, son of a bitchface, there's nothing there now...anyone know where else we can see them?

[TheMojoPin]

Hoooooo-ah!

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/empirejokerlarge.jpg

[Gmann]

Ok....that looks cool.

[Rthentic]

http://thegothamtimes.com/

Click on the word MOBSTER on the Headline on the left hand column.

This is gonna be pretty KOOL.

Peace
RTNC

[cougarjake13]

http://thegothamtimes.com/

Click on the word MOBSTER on the Headline on the left hand column.

This is gonna be pretty KOOL.

Peace
RTNC


not bad

[ChimneyFish]

Love the "Aren't they all????"

This could turn out to be very good.

[zentraed]

Excellent! Thanks TJ - those pics rock!

Only problem: Christian Bale looks... smaller this time. He has lost muscle mass. I'm not too thrilled with that, but I will let it go for now.

Christian Bale is crazy. He did The Machinist before Batman Begins, and then did Rescue Dawn. Too lazy to dig up pictures.

[MadMatt]

Christian Bale is crazy. He did The Machinist before Batman Begins, and then did Rescue Dawn. Too lazy to dig up pictures.

Here you go. It makes DeNiro gaining 60 pounds to play Capone look like nothing...

The Machinist (2004)
http://www.expat-at-large.com/pm/images/uploads/stickman.jpg

Batman Begins (2005)
http://www.socalworkout.com/wpblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/cin_bale.jpg

Rescue Dawn (2006)
http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/v/Y/N/rescuedawn3.jpg
The weight loss isn't as drastic, but still...

[TheMojoPin]

New unflattering promo shots:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2022/2079985101_c1618dbb73_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2394/2079985289_aeca865640_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2310/2079985405_7c3c8a75ee_o.jpg

Honestly, these make them look like complete and total shit, specially Batman. The previous shots of the "Bat-armor" look fine in the darkened look of the movie (the costume is by far the most mobile for the actor that they've ever had), but holy overdesigned costume, Batman, it looks hideous here. With all the unecessary straps ad pouches and buckles, it looks like Rob-goddamn-Liefeld designed it. I wonder if these are promo pics that are used for like action figure reference or something...thankfully everything in the movie is not shot in such unflattering light.

And looking at them, it suddnly leaps out at me how stupid it is that they kept Batman's belt fucking yellow. WHY?!? They did way with the yellow circle (wisely) on his chest becaus it wasn't very stealthy, but they keep the garish yellow belt? Why does Batman need a godamn ultility belt? He doesn't need to be able to see it...he's wearing the fucking thing!

[chubbyknuckles]

Ledger looks like Carol Channing in a few of those pics. But no matter what production stills, or bad Bat armor, the first one kicked soo much ass, with the SCARECROW off all people, that this ones gotta be even better.

[topless_mike]

New unflattering promo shots:

Honestly, these make them look like complete and total shit, specially Batman. The previous shots of the "Bat-armor" look fine in the darkened look of the movie (the costume is by far the most mobile for the actor that they've ever had), but holy overdesigned costume, Batman, it looks hideous here. With all the unecessary straps ad pouches and buckles, it looks like Rob-goddamn-Liefeld designed it. I wonder if these are promo pics that are used for like action figure reference or something...thankfully everything in the movie is not shot in such unflattering light.

And looking at them, it suddnly leaps out at me how stupid it is that they kept Batman's belt fucking yellow. WHY?!? They did way with the yellow circle (wisely) on his chest becaus it wasn't very stealthy, but they keep the garish yellow belt? Why does Batman need a godamn ultility belt? He doesn't need to be able to see it...he's wearing the fucking thing!

i agree.
to me, there is only one joker
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/9/9d/Joker-ritz.jpg



looking at the some of the promo shots from around the web, it seems that the joker has a mental problem and thats the angle that they are going to portray. that he was literally going looney.

[topless_mike]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2310/2079985405_7c3c8a75ee_o.jpg


actually the shot on the left reminds me of someone..
http://library.thinkquest.org/CR0214220/www/images/Mankind.jpg

[Bay Ridge Tim]

i agree.
to me, there is only one joker
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/9/9d/Joker-ritz.jpg



The real only one Joker:
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9382/cesarromerojokerfh7.gif


Nicholson's Joker was exactly the same as his Departed character. It's just Jack in makeup.

[MadMatt]

looking at the some of the promo shots from around the web, it seems that the joker has a mental problem and thats the angle that they are going to portray. that he was literally going looney.

Which version of the Joker DOESN'T have a mental problem? That's the basis of his character.

But you are right, they are obviously playing up the angle that the Joker is a murderous psychotic. It's not a new angle, but not one that is embraced by the general public. Hardcore comic fans know the score, but the general public that is more familiar with the 60's TV show, cartoons, and the 90's Batman movies won't be familiar with this truly disturbed version of the Joker.

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/postersmall.jpg

About 6 minutes of the film were screened in NYC for like 100 people the other day:

Kicking off with a sweeping shot of downtown Gotham, the camera zooms in above a few buildings before focusing in on a single, traditional skyscraper covered in windows. Suddenly, one window in the skyscraper explodes outward, exposing two criminals inside. Donning clown masks and standing with a rifle, the two criminals shoot a grappling hook across a busy street below to the next building—the Gotham National Bank. The two then slide across using a zip line.

On the street below, a man stands, his face unseen as the shot creeps up from behind, a clown mask slung in his grip. A van suddenly screeches up before he climbs inside and the van hauls off again. Inside, there are now three men, all wearing clown masks. They begin negatively discussing their boss and how he’s sitting out the heist. “The guy thinks he can sit out and get a cut?” laughs one man. “Must be why they call him the Joker!” Back on the bank’s roof, the two men we first saw now shimmy into the bank’s security wiring while also discussing the boss. “Why do you think they call him Joker?” asks one. “I hear it’s cause he wears make-up,” answers the other. “Like war paint.”

Suddenly, below, the three men blast into the bank, demanding money and commanding everybody to the floor. Back on the roof, the two criminals intercept the out-going emergency alarm set off by an employee. After they cancel its signal, one of the men shoots the other and heads inside for the vault.

Back inside, the clown gunmen hand all the hostages live grenades. “We wouldn’t want your hands free would we?” asks one with a laugh. At the vault, a clown opens the door, and just then a second clown shoots him in the back. They’re taking each other out so that the cut between them grows higher! And it’s all because the boss, the Joker, has told them to.

Back in the lobby, a bank manager surprisingly begins firing on the clown gunmen with a shotgun hidden under his desk. Turns out this bank belongs to an influential mobster and the manager, fearless and crazed, says as much to the clowns as he walks defiantly at them. He takes one out with a point-blank blast.

Two remain and manage to disarm the manager by shooting him in the arm before one clown turns his gun on the other. “I’m sure the boss told you to take me out first,” says the one holding the gun. “No,” says the other, his hands in the air as he sways back in forth as if he didn’t care a gun was pointed at his chest. “I called a bus.”

“What?” asks the one holding a gun. And then BOOM, a school bus bursts its back end through the wall of the bank, killing the clown holding the gun! The lumpy driver steps out and asks what’s happened to the gang, just as the clown who’s life he saved shoots him without remorse.

The surviving clown begins to board the bus with bags of money when the bank manager, lying on the floor bleeding, tells the clown he has no idea who he’s messing with and asks why the crooks in this city have no beliefs anymore. The lone clown aborts boarding the bus and instead turns to the manager. The manager asks him dead to his face, “What do you believe in?”

As the clown slowly places a concussion grenade in the manager’s mouth, he removes his mask, exposing his scar-ridden face. It’s the Joker! “I believe that whatever doesn’t kill you simply makes you stronger,” he says before smiling a huge, twisted grin. The grenade has a string attached to its pin and as the Joker boards the bus, the string goes taut. When he pulls away and the pin comes loose, the manager lays sweating on the floor. Surely his head is about to explode! Instead, the bottom of the grenade emits a gray, harmless gas. It was a joke!

On the street, the bus pulls into traffic along with several others. Before long, sirens can be heard, but by then, the bus is lost in the crowd. The Joker gets away. Then the footage cuts to several quick clips, including the new Batsuit in a cage, the new Batpod, the Batmobile (aka, the Tumbler), a shot of a fire truck on fire in the streets of Gotham, Batman on a roof overlooking his city and, finally, a clip of Lieutenant Gordon (played by Gary Oldman) using an ax to shatter the Batsignal.

[Reynolds]

http://www.highsocietyradio.net/temp/batman1.jpg
http://www.highsocietyradio.net/temp/batman2.jpg
http://www.highsocietyradio.net/temp/batman3.jpg

[Chigworthy]

Is it just me or was Harvey Dent a black man in some of the comics?

[HBox]

Is it just me or was Harvey Dent a black man in some of the comics?

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9577/thevisitwilliamsjn8.jpg

Ghosts and GOBLINS!

[TheMojoPin]

Is it just me or was Harvey Dent a black man in some of the comics?

Heh, no, as Hbox kind of pointed out, he was only black in the first Burton Batman movie.

He was too cool to worry about "ghosts in Gotham!"

[Doctor Manhattan]

Heh, no, as Hbox kind of pointed out, he was only black in the first Burton Batman movie.

And then he was white in the 3rd Batman Movie:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7056/tommyleejonesbatmanforeqt8.jpg

[MikeB]

And then he was white in the 3rd Batman Movie:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7056/tommyleejonesbatmanforeqt8.jpg

My favorite part of that one was when two face talked about the dream he had about his dad and a camp fire.

[zentraed]

And then he was white in the 3rd Batman Movie:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7056/tommyleejonesbatmanforeqt8.jpg

My big complaint about casting Tommy Lee Jones was I couldn't tell which side of his face was scarred.

[topless_mike]

My big complaint about casting Tommy Lee Jones was I couldn't tell which side of his face was scarred.

TEE HEE HEE
:thumbdown:

[TheMojoPin]

The trailer was officilly released with I Am Legend, so crappy bootleg footage has been showing up on YouTube and getting yanked down left ad right, so check it out while you can:

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ylGUNzoz8cE&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ylGUNzoz8cE&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

[HBox]

The trailer was officilly released with I Am Legend, so crappy bootleg footage has been showing up on YouTube and getting yanked down left ad right, so check it out while you can:

<object height="355" width="425">

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ylGUNzoz8cE&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" height="355" width="425"></object>

I was waffling on whether to see I am Legend, now that decision has been made.

If you see I Am Legend on IMAX, instead of the trailer you will see that 6 minute Joker intro instead. If I lived closer to an IMAX theater I'd see that.

[TooLowBrow]

batman likes vehicles with really big wheels
http://3francs6sous.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/batcycle-batpod.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

Holy shit, the video is already gone. I found it, like, 5 minutes ago and it was posted maybe 15 minutes before that.

Just YouTube search for it and hopefully you guys will catch one before it's pulled.

[HBox]

Holy shit, the video is already gone. I found it, like, 5 minutes ago and it was posted maybe 15 minutes before that.

Just YouTube search for it and hopefully you guys will catch one before it's pulled.

If I was t judge by the ARGs these marketing guys have been putting I'd say that these guys are very internet savvy and will be all over Youtube until they decide to officially release this thing over the internet.

[HBox]

Foreign countries always get the best posters.

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/darkknightintbig.jpg

[HBox]

They get this:

http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/jokerposter.jpg

We get this:

http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/jokerposter2.jpg

We're getting ripped off.

[HBox]

If you want to see the new trailer it looks like you can get it here on Sunday. (http://atasteforthetheatrical.com/)

[booster11373]

trailer is up at site mentioned above

[TheMojoPin]

Here's the direct link to the trailer...this thing looks amazing. We only hear a couple lines of dialogue from Batman, but it sounds like Bale has worked on it. Much deeper and not as raspy. (http://atasteforthetheatrical.com/deathtrap/default.htm)

[Don Stugots]

thanks Mojo. I like what I say.

[HBox]

thanks Mojo. I like what I say.

So do I. It's always glorious.

[TooLowBrow]

wow
how many lines are so similar to the keaton/burton movie?
and SO better delivered
and WAY better thought out for more realistic characters

ps.
did anyone else notice how close the motorcycle skidding around the joker in the trairer sounds to the (keaton/burton) batplane flying over the joker?

[Tall_James]

First 6 minutes of the movie....

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/TwV_SOgvq2s&rel=1&border=0"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/TwV_SOgvq2s&rel=1&border=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

[Furtherman]

Here's the direct link to the trailer...this thing looks amazing. We only hear a couple lines of dialogue from Batman, but it sounds like Bale has worked on it. Much deeper and not as raspy. (http://atasteforthetheatrical.com/deathtrap/default.htm)

F'n AAAAAAAAAAAA!

[cougarjake13]

First 6 minutes of the movie....

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/TwV_SOgvq2s&rel=1&border=0"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/TwV_SOgvq2s&rel=1&border=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

damn it says no longer available

[Tall_James]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g54/Case183a/Batman.gif

[cougarjake13]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g54/Case183a/Batman.gif

damn you people


no linky worky

[MadMatt]

Here is another link to the first 6 minutes. I think the key is searching for IMAX. Not tremendous quality, but better than nothing.

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/WMGpjziVym0&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/WMGpjziVym0&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

[cougarjake13]

that was pretty cool

[TheMojoPin]

Oh my God, there's already a new trailer out...and it's INCREDIBLE:

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/iHufrsP9XMA&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/iHufrsP9XMA&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

[Gritty]

Oh my God, there's already a new trailer out...and it's INCREDIBLE:

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/iHufrsP9XMA&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/iHufrsP9XMA&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

"Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb!"

Lee Meriwether - hottest Catwoman ever?

http://www.superchicos.net/images/CATWOMANTV.gif

[EliSnow]

"Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb!"

Lee Meriwether - hottest Catwoman ever?

http://www.superchicos.net/images/CATWOMANTV.gif

Sacrilege!

Julie Newmar kicks Lee Meriwether's ass. Meriwether tried to fill Newmar's catsuit, but couldn't come close. In fact, the only reason that Meriwether was Catwoman, in one movie, was because Newmar was not available.

http://www.palmspringslife.com/media/images/Blog2006-06-23cat.jpg

[cougarjake13]

no love for eartha kitt ???



http://www.thebiographychannel.co.uk/images/biographies/main/1652_bio_homepage_main.jpg

[Gritty]

no love for eartha kitt ???



http://www.thebiographychannel.co.uk/images/biographies/main/1652_bio_homepage_main.jpg

Are you kidding? She's purrrrrr-fect, darling.

[scottinnj]

I love the theme music that is still there for Batman. Dark, but triumphant. You know this guy is the one to root for no matter how confused and fucked up he is.

[scottinnj]

I'm listening to "Molussus" from the Batman Begins soundtrack right now. I think it's from the final showdown with his former Master from China. It's just so good.

[scottinnj]

And the last 1 minute and 30 seconds of "Barbastella" when Batman accepts his place in life and observes Gotham from that skyscraper while evil is afoot below. Stirring.

[HBox]

]Yeah, the score from Begins is fantastic. i have it on my iPod.

[scottinnj]

I don't know why I like soundtracks so much, but I'm betting about 1/3 of my collection I've had throughout my life has been soundtracks from movies.
I don't have them all anymore, but the ones I do still have I have like backed up online and on DVDs and CDs. I treat them with more care then my regular albums.

[cougarjake13]

thats b/c on most albums yo'll like maybe 3-5 songs

a soundtrack usually has a different bunch of bands that have the one a few good songs from their album or a brand new track


at least thats the case for me

[tbonesteak]

I haven't really been paying much attention to this movie but I just noticed that they got Maggie Gyllenhaal replace the great Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes. What a terrible choice. I think I would prefer Ms. Holmes. Maggie is a terrific actress but she's not right for this role. She definitely doesn't fit the part.

I do like the addition of Aaron Eckhart and I'm glad they brought back Cillian Murphy. Overall, I'm definitely looking forward to this movie.

[TheMojoPin]

I haven't really been paying much attention to this movie but I just noticed that they got Maggie Gyllenhaal replace the great Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes. What a terrible choice. I think I would prefer Ms. Holmes. Maggie is a terrific actress but she's not right for this role. She definitely doesn't fit the part.

The part of what? The useless forced love interest? Seems like a pretty thankless role for any actress. Hopefully Katie can use the extra time off to get treatment for the devastating stroke that forces her to only talk out of one side of her mouth.

The promotion for this movie has completely dropped off the map. Not that it won't be huge, but it's pretty clear their promotional push was centered around the Joker, and with Heath dead, they seemingly have scrapped it.

[Gmann]

I haven't really been paying much attention to this movie but I just noticed that they got Maggie Gyllenhaal replace the great Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes. What a terrible choice. I think I would prefer Ms. Holmes. Maggie is a terrific actress but she's not right for this role. She definitely doesn't fit the part.

I do like the addition of Aaron Eckhart and I'm glad they brought back Cillian Murphy. Overall, I'm definitely looking forward to this movie.


Katie Holmes being in Batman Begins is the only thing I couldnt stand about it. She didnt belong, there was no real need for a love interest but thats what Hollywood does to get the female demographic to watch a cool guy comicbook movie. Mojo is right. It was a FORCED LOVE INTEREST. Maggie Gyllenhaal is 100x a better actress that Katie Holmes at least. Katie Holmes hasnt been interesting or cute since she was Joey Potter....at least thats my opinion anyway.

[cougarjake13]

Katie Holmes being in Batman Begins is the only thing I couldnt stand about it. She didnt belong, there was no real need for a love interest but thats what Hollywood does to get the female demographic to watch a cool guy comicbook movie. Mojo is right. It was a FORCED LOVE INTEREST. Maggie Gyllenhaal is 100x a better actress that Katie Holmes at least. Katie Holmes hasnt been interesting or cute since she was Joey Potter....at least thats my opinion anyway.



she was interesting when she got naked in abandon, and that other movie whereshe went goth

[furie]

11 Batman Stories to Read Before Watching 'The Dark Knight' (http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/03/24/11-batman-stories-to-read-before-watching-the-dark-knight/')

[JustJon]

11 Batman Stories to Read Before Watching 'The Dark Knight' (http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/03/24/11-batman-stories-to-read-before-watching-the-dark-knight/')

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[Doctor Manhattan]

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Then here's my 11:

The Dark Knight Returns
Batman: Year One
Batman: Year Two (Todd McFarlane back when he drew comic books!)
The Killing Joke
The Long Halloween
Knightfall
Prodigal
Batman: The Man Who Falls

eh, I don't think you need to read this much Batman before seeing the movie, just see Batman Begins and The Prestige

[Furtherman]

So these aren't stories recommended by the filmakers? Just other's opinions?

[Doctor Manhattan]

So these aren't stories recommended by the filmakers? Just other's opinions?

I would think so. A filmmaker should not have to ask that you read stuff before seeing their movie, they should provide you everything you need within the film itself.

[Furtherman]

I would think so. A filmmaker should not have to ask that you read stuff before seeing their movie, they should provide you everything you need within the film itself.

I agree. That's why Southland Tales was such a mess.

[JustJon]

[COLOR="Navy"][SIZE="2"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Then here's my 11:

The Dark Knight Returns
Batman: Year One
Batman: Year Two (Todd McFarlane back when he drew comic books!)
The Killing Joke
The Long Halloween
Knightfall
Prodigal
Batman: The Man Who Falls


You haven't read some of these in a long time, have you?

[TheMojoPin]

Are they ever going to release another trailer for this thing?

OK, yes, the dude died...it sucks...but goddammit, the movie lives on. FEED THE FANBOYS.

[JustJon]

Are they ever going to release another trailer for this thing?

OK, yes, the dude died...it sucks...but goddammit, the movie lives on. FEED THE FANBOYS.

Expect alot of comic movie trailers to be released this weekend. They'll premier at NYCC and then get wider release.

[Doctor Manhattan]

You haven't read some of these in a long time, have you?

No, you think I should re-read them?

[EliSnow]

No, you think I should re-read them?

For some of them, like Year Two, Knightfall, and Prodigal, no.

[JustJon]

For some of them, like Year Two, Knightfall, and Prodigal, no.



my point exactly. I'm not a big fan of long halloween either, but that's more of a personal preference because of the ending, but it's good otherwise. The sequel, Dark Victory, is worth reading too, though.

[TooLowBrow]

For some of them, like Year Two, Knightfall, and Prodigal, no.



the book (novelization?) of Knightfall by dennis o'neil was really good. my favorite comic book book.

[Doctor Manhattan]

For some of them, like Year Two, Knightfall, and Prodigal, no.

Honestly I haven't read any comics/graphic novels in a long time. I just named some Batman story titles that I remembered when I looked up batman in Wikipedia (I wanted to name more than just Dark Knight Returns, Year One and The Killing Joke) My point was that you should not need to read anything before seeing a movie, even if it's based on a character with this much history. I can't remember what happened in Year Two but I do remember Todd's art which I liked. I know Knightfall was kind of like Batman's answer to the Death of Superman story line but I don't recall much of that story, same with Prodigal (Dick Grayson taking over for Batman for a while after Knightfall)

I also threw in The Prestige because it's a great film with some of the same players as the new Batman films.

[Furtherman]

http://www.whysoserious.com/itsallpartoftheplan/images/201949id1_a.jpg

[IamFogHat]

This is very interesting. Think it was on purpose?
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1813453

[Furtherman]

This is very interesting. Think it was on purpose?
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1813453

Wow... I wonder if the same person created both trailers. It would make the job a little easier. It's the equivalent of using someone else's paper for school, but just rearranging a few words each sentence.

[TheMojoPin]

This is very interesting. Think it was on purpose?
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1813453

If that's real, that must have been done on purpose...that said, I think the '89 "trailer" is made up. There's a bunch of '89 trailers on YouTube, but they're mostly fanmade trailers, so I assume the "1989" one being used in comparison is one of those. Trailers back then simply didn't have the same theatrics, tone or "beats" of trailers like the one for TDK.

This was the crappy official theatrical trailer for the 1989 flick:

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***EDIT***

Yeah, the thing on CollegeHumor is on YouTube, and it's shown to just be something someone did for kicks making a TDK-style trailer using 1989 clips. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=qCOl9v0b0zM) It is a pretty cool job...I'd love to see his 1989 trailer with 1989 sound. It definitely makes that movie look a lot better/less dated than it actually is.

[Doctor Manhattan]

***EDIT***

Yeah, the thing on CollegeHumor is on YouTube, and it's shown to just be something someone did for kicks making a TDK-style trailer using 1989 clips. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=qCOl9v0b0zM) It is a pretty cool job...I'd love to see his 1989 trailer with 1989 sound. It definitely makes that movie look a lot better/less dated than it actually is.

That makes sense. It is a Batman vs. Joker movie, so your going to have a lot of similar visuals to work with. Hey, didn't someone recut footage from the 1966 Batman movie with sound from the Chris Nolan's The Dark Knight trailer?

Has it really been almost 20 years since that Batman came out? Jesus, I'm getting old.

[TheMojoPin]

New posters:

http://www.omelete.com.br/images/galerias/thedarkknight/posterexclusivoomelete3.jpg

http://www.omelete.com.br/images/galerias/thedarkknight/posterexclusivoomelete2.jpg

http://www.omelete.com.br/images/galerias/thedarkknight/posterexclusivoomelete4.jpg

[drusilla]

80 days!!!

(i have a countdown widget)

[MadMatt]

That Harvey Dent poster rules! I wasn't expecting it, but very, very clever. :thumbup:

[Doctor Manhattan]

I'm sneaking Fezzie into this thing.

[MadMatt]

I'm sneaking Fezzie into this thing.

You can't do that, dude. Sneaking Fez into the movie would ruin the bet and Ron wouldn't watch any of the remaining Popcorn Movies of the Summer.

I, however, am planning to sneak my friend "Todd" in to see Dark Night. :thumbup:

[Doctor Manhattan]

You can't do that, dude. Sneaking Fez into the movie would ruin the bet and Ron wouldn't watch any of the remaining Popcorn Movies of the Summer.

Todd? What a stupid name! Linger Longer!

Are there any popcorn movies worth seeing after The Dark Knight? Iron Man and Indiana Jones come out before it.

Here is a crappy copy of the new trailer:
<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZqzL7Fc1gqM&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZqzL7Fc1gqM&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain

I hate movie crowds

[IamFogHat]

It's looking like Echkart's going to have a lot more screentime than I originally thought, that should be great. And obviously probably a good setup for part three.

[EliSnow]

Are there any popcorn movies worth seeing after The Dark Knight? Iron Man and Indiana Jones come out before it.



When's Hellboy II coming out?

[Furtherman]

When's Hellboy II coming out?

July 11th.

[Doctor Manhattan]

July 11th.

Looks like Iron Man and The Dark Knight are the Popcorn Movie summer bookends for me.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Did they have this many posters for Batman Begins?

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2364/darkpodiw0.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8592/darkbannersw3.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8749/darktriovm8.jpg
Just a combo of the ones TheMojoPin above, but still cool.

[TheMojoPin]

Finally, a new trailer. (http://www.whysoserious.com/happytrails/trailer.htm)

[Doctor Z]

Caught the new trailer before Iron Man yesterday, and I gotta say... It didn't give me nearly the caliber of boner that the first trailer did.

Still absolutely can't wait to see it though.

[HBox]

The closer you watch this new trailer, the more you will see some MASSIVE MASSIVE spoilers.

Rachel getting chucked out a window, Harvey getting his face fucked up, the first shot of him after that.

[Doctor Manhattan]

[size=2]...the first shot of him after that.

[COLOR="Navy"]Do you mean:Harvey holding the gun?

[HBox]

Do you mean:Harvey holding the gun?

Yeah. Get an HD version of the trailer, and tehn pause it on that shot. Take a look at the sides of his face.

[Doctor Manhattan]

And even the left side of his suit, I think.

I really did not think we would see Two face in this movie, I thought it would just be Dent as a setup for a future film

[Gritty]

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/DentBurn.jpg

Not 100% sure if it's real but it sure looks good (err,...bad...whatever).

[TheMojoPin]

That looks good, but it also looks pretty fake. The lighting is pretty funky if it's the real deal.