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phixion
08-03-2006, 07:54 AM
two minutes ago a recuirter for the marines called my home. he tells me he is going to be in the area giving presentation and he asked me if i was interested. i said no. then he asked me why not and i got pissed, so i went into a long diatribe about this administration past mistakes by the military and everything i have disagreed with done by our gov't since 1945, anyway before i even finish he hung up on me. i was having a really bad day and that made me laugh, i was so damn argumentative a recruiter hung up on me. best part when i called him out on thsoe little bonuses recruiters get for every person they sign up he got really pissed. god sometimes i love being an asshole it made my day.

Dougie Brootal
08-03-2006, 08:05 AM
good for you!

newport king
08-03-2006, 08:06 AM
<p>fucking commie!! support our troops!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>he was expecting you to give some dumb kid answer and when you hit him with some good points he realized it wasn't worth debating and he wasn't going ot change your mind.</p><p>if you said you were going to college, he would have told you the &quot;we offer money for college&quot;etc.</p>

Sheeplovr
08-03-2006, 08:07 AM
<p>you could of gotton free socks</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

A.J.
08-03-2006, 08:18 AM
<strong>phixion</strong> wrote:<br />so i went into a long diatribe about this administration past mistakes by the military and everything i have disagreed with done by our gov't since 1945 <p>I hope that didn't include when&nbsp;Truman desegregated the military in 1948.</p>

phixion
08-03-2006, 08:27 AM
<p>I hope that didn't include when&nbsp;Truman desegregated the military in 1948.</p><p></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>no but i should have complained that it took that long. and im a bit upset about that i didnt go way back and mention how people could pay someone to get out of draft service during the civil war. or hey how nazi's smuggled chinese women out of the rape on nanking but our military did NOTHING</p>

Doogie
08-03-2006, 08:30 AM
<p>you could of gotton free socks</p><p>Not really. You still have to pay for those.</p>

A.J.
08-03-2006, 08:40 AM
<strong>phixion</strong> wrote:<br /><p>how nazi's smuggled chinese women out of the rape on nanking but our military did NOTHING</p><p>Umm...the <u>Japanese</u> were responsible for the atrocities at Nanking in 1937 and even the Germans (Nazis) were shocked by the brutality of the Japanese.</p><p>And what could our military have done?&nbsp; We weren't at war then.</p>

ShelleBink
08-03-2006, 08:40 AM
<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>Doogie76</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p>you could of gotton free socks<p>&nbsp;</p><p>Not really. You still have to pay for those.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Socks are invaluable.&nbsp;</p>

angrymissy
08-03-2006, 08:47 AM
<p>hah, I used to get those calls right after I graduated.</p><p>Recruiter:&nbsp; &quot;Miss, I'd like to talk to you about joining the military!&quot;</p><p>Me:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&quot;That's not for me, thanks&quot;</p><p>Recruiter:&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Just because you're a woman doesn't mean you can't join up!&nbsp; It's empowering!&quot;</p><p>Me:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;I'm lazy.&nbsp; I don't like to move around much.&nbsp; I wouldn't last a day in basic training&quot;</p><p>Recruiter:&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Women get a modified basic training, it will be good for your health!&quot;</p><p>Me:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&quot;I smoke a pack a day.&nbsp; Leave me alone.&quot;&nbsp; CLICK</p>

ShelleBink
08-03-2006, 08:52 AM
Phone calls stopped for me after I was in the hospital for 5 days.&nbsp; Go figure.<br />

phixion
08-03-2006, 08:57 AM
yeah thats another thing i graduated from highschool four years ago why are they calling me now?

JimBeam
08-03-2006, 09:33 AM
<p>Seems a little ironic that you have no problem about not volunteering now, based on the fact that you don't agree with the war, but seem to think it was bad for people to try and get out of the Civil War a war that far more people weren't behind.</p>

newport king
08-03-2006, 09:37 AM
<p>Umm...the <u>Japanese</u> were responsible for the atrocities at Nanking in 1937 and even the Germans (Nazis) were shocked by the brutality of the Japanese.</p><p></p><p>forget it he's on a roll.</p><p><img height="367" src="http://www.survivinggrady.com/bluto.jpg" width="250" border="0" /></p>

UnknownPD
08-03-2006, 09:46 AM
<p>yeah thats another thing i graduated from highschool four years ago why are they calling me now? </p><p><font size="1">Figured by now you knew adult life blows</font></p>

keithy_19
08-03-2006, 09:56 AM
The Marines called me up and I told them&nbsp;I have MS and if they would accept me. The lady on the phone asked her superior. A few moments later she said no. Never been called back again. Score.

absinthe
08-03-2006, 09:58 AM
<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>ShelleBink</strong> wrote:<br />Phone calls stopped for me after I was in the hospital for 5 days. Go figure.<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Lucky you, they kept calling me after my hospital stays.&nbsp; They were quick to point out that I could get a medical waiver to enlist.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

phixion
08-03-2006, 10:05 AM
<p>but seem to think it was bad for people to try and get out of the Civil War a war that far more people weren't behind.</p><p>ooh i love history debates. rich people were able to buy themselves out of being drafted, so they obviously hired poor people, so if a poor person was drafted they had no chance of getting out of that service, that is wrong. so wrong it led to the draft riots in NYC. there shouldnt be any kind of monetary loopholes in being drafted. i was being asked to enlist thats a completely diferent situation. </p><p>and as far as the rape of nanking goes thats my point,&nbsp;a nazi ambassador&nbsp;smuggled chinese women out of harms way. meanwhile for invasion of china what do we do to japan? a fucking oil embargo and granted its a sound strategy for an archipalango(sp?) nation but its not enough. there has to come to a point where an invading nation tells its soldiers to rape and mutilate women another nation must try its best to stop it. and sadly in this era a nazi was ahead of us in human rights efforts in china, and that disgusts me</p>

SatCam
08-03-2006, 10:10 AM
Just tell them you're gay

narc
08-03-2006, 10:21 AM
<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><strong>phixion</strong> wrote:<br><p><hr color="cococo" align="left"></font>but seem to think it was bad for people to try and get out of the Civil War a war that far more people weren't behind.<hr color="cococo" align="left"></p><p>ooh i love history debates. rich people were able to buy themselves out of being drafted, so they obviously hired poor people, so if a poor person was drafted they had no chance of getting out of that service, that is wrong. so wrong it led to the draft riots in NYC. there shouldnt be any kind of monetary loopholes in being drafted. i was being asked to enlist thats a completely diferent situation. </p><p>and as far as the rape of nanking goes thats my point, a nazi ambassador smuggled chinese women out of harms way. meanwhile for invasion of china what do we do to japan? a fucking oil embargo and granted its a sound strategy for an archipalango(sp?) nation but its not enough. there has to come to a point where an invading nation tells its soldiers to rape and mutilate women another nation must try its best to stop it. and sadly in this era a nazi was ahead of us in human rights efforts in china, and that disgusts me</p><hr color="cococo" align="left"><p></p>
But as A.J. said, we weren't at war then. So what were we supposed to do, get ourselves involved in a nice Asian land war simply for humanitarian reasons? We didn't start doing things like that until Somalia. And look how that turned out. We also didn't have nearly the ability to support our troops that far afield until much later. Why do you think we had to island hop throughout the Pacific? We could only support small fly-by night things like the Flying Tigers. And those were unofficial, if I'm correct.<br><p>
If you brought up anything as old as the Civil War to them, they'd laugh. The burden of the fighting would have fallen on the poor anyway. There were a lot more of them. Plus we needed the J. Pierpont Morgans and Phillip Armours of the world to finance the war. Don't make heroes out of the draft rioters. They were a bunch of racist drunk irishmen who were as motivated by racism as having to fight the war. They lynched blacks left and right during the riot and burned down a black orphanage in Manhattan after barring the doors so the kids couldn't get out. <br><p>
Lastly, most historians commend the army for their integration efforts. They literally did it overnight successfully, and they were one of the first government institutions to integrate when nearly everything else was segregated. You can't judge them by where we are today. Integrating in '48 was really progressive for the time. <br><p>
You need to stop reading Howard Zinn and start reading some real history.

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by narc on 8-3-06 @ 2:22 PM</span>

phixion
08-03-2006, 10:54 AM
<p>Lastly, most historians commend the army for their integration efforts.</p><p>as a minority in america im ashamed that this ever happened. slavery in the south at least made financial sense, military apartheid held none of that. it didnt make us a better army because all the blacks were in the same platoon. sadly even ill admit slavery did make this a better nation at least financially. so i dont care how expediently it was done, our military was wrong in doing that in the first place cause it didnt make sense, it only perpetuated the idea that something is wrong with colored people so we should keep them seperated. i will not give them praise for doing what they were supposed to from the start.</p><p>we needed the J. Pierpont Morgans and Phillip Armours of the world to finance the war</p><p>so because of that its ok that their sons were literally allowed to buy there way out of service after being DRAFTED. they didnt hire someone to write their essay, or get a coach to help in the interview process, or even pay a dr to make something up, they just found a poor guy and paid him to take their place. thats not right. cause if it were right theyd still allow it today, so bill gate jr could hire someone to take his place. </p><p>[QUOTE][But as A.J. said, we weren't at war then/QUOTE]</p><p>we also werent at war during the spanish revolution but our soldiers were over there then why? to try and keep the fascists out of power. ofcourse we didnt take it nearly as serious as we should have but you know what they can say that they tried. we didnt even&nbsp;try in china, and im ashamed of that. and this wasnt just humanitarian aid it was&nbsp;fucking genocide going on over there. and yes i do believe we should interfere and stop genocide whereever we find it.&nbsp; </p><p>and as far as my reading: Caribbean Contours, a collection of essays exploring the caribbean in different contexts; Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy 1932-1945 by robert dallek a nice study in FDRs approach to war and handling the great depression, and the Old Regime and the French Revolution by tocqueville a nice primary source about the revolution.</p>

Sheeplovr
08-03-2006, 11:07 AM
<p>now im jelious you all get phone calls and i don't</p><p><br />
</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

PhishHead
08-03-2006, 11:15 AM
<p>Phix you didnt mention this, but why not complain about the Genocide in Rwanda where we did absolutely nothing at all, and were there already and would help our citizens but not Rwandain citizens, that is one of the biggest atrocities we have ever committed as a nation.</p><p>Also we didnt stop the genocide that Stalin committed in the Ukraines. </p><p>EDIT: was typing without figuring out my thoughts</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by PhishHead on 8-3-06 @ 3:26 PM</span>

JimBeam
08-03-2006, 11:18 AM
<p>Phix you obvilulsy have no problem with fighting wars for preventive purposes, at least historically, so why the change in attitudes about what's happening now ?</p><p>Regardless of how ill conceived the current war(s) are, or how they're being handled, who's to say it wouldnt have been as bad in the past ?</p>

El Mudo
08-03-2006, 11:18 AM
Lastly, most historians commend the army for their integration efforts.

as a minority in america im ashamed that this ever happened. slavery in the south at least made financial sense, military apartheid held none of that. it didnt make us a better army because all the blacks were in the same platoon. sadly even ill admit slavery did make this a better nation at least financially. so i dont care how expediently it was done, our military was wrong in doing that in the first place cause it didnt make sense, it only perpetuated the idea that something is wrong with colored people so we should keep them seperated. i will not give them praise for doing what they were supposed to from the start.

we needed the J. Pierpont Morgans and Phillip Armours of the world to finance the war

so because of that its ok that their sons were literally allowed to buy there way out of service after being DRAFTED. they didnt hire someone to write their essay, or get a coach to help in the interview process, or even pay a dr to make something up, they just found a poor guy and paid him to take their place. thats not right. cause if it were right theyd still allow it today, so bill gate jr could hire someone to take his place.


I'll address these two points by saying it was a COMPLETELY different time, with points of view then we can't POSSIBLY understand the motivation for. Youre talking about stuff that happened almost 100-150 years ago

And Theodore Roosevelt was so ashamed about his father's buying a substitute that he pretty much made all of his sons join the army, as well as he himself (Quentin was killed in WW1, and Teddy Jr. died of a heart attack a couple days after D-Day)



we also werent at war during the spanish revolution but our soldiers were over there then why? to try and keep the fascists out of power. ofcourse we didnt take it nearly as serious as we should have but you know what they can say that they tried. we didnt even try in china, and im ashamed of that. and this wasnt just humanitarian aid it was fucking genocide going on over there. and yes i do believe we should interfere and stop genocide whereever we find it.

and as far as my reading: Caribbean Contours, a collection of essays exploring the caribbean in different contexts; Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy 1932-1945 by robert dallek a nice study in FDRs approach to war and handling the great depression, and the Old Regime and the French Revolution by tocqueville a nice primary source about the revolution.




The Abraham Lincoln Brigade and other units that went to Spain was completley unsupported by the United States Government, it was an all-volunteer unit that went over on its own designs

See further from Wikipedia:


[quote]
The Abraham Lincoln Brigade was an organization of United States volunteers supporting or fighting for the anti-fascist Spanish Republican forces in the Spanish Civil War as part of the International Brigade.

The name "brigade" is something of a misnomer, as there were several American battalions organized under the Fifteenth International Brigade of the Spanish Republican army. This brigade was loosely organized by the Comintern and was made up of volunteers from nations around the globe. The George Washington Battalion, Abraham Lincoln Battalion, John Brown Anti-Aircraft Battery were part of the American contingent. Other U.S. volunteers served with the Mackenzie-Papineau Battalion (Canadian), the Regiment de Tren (transport) and in various medical groups. The name Abraham Lincoln Brigade was used to include all the U.S. volunteers, regardless of which unit they served with.

The Abraham Lincoln Brigade was made up of volunteers from all walks of American life, and from all socio-economic classes. However, many of the people who volunteered for the Abraham Lincoln Brigade were official members of the Communist Party USA or affiliated with other socialist or anarchist organizations. The IWW, or "Wobblies", a labour union formed in the U.S., was

UnknownPD
08-03-2006, 11:25 AM
<p>Is there a country on earth that does not have a jaded history? &nbsp;</p>

Tall_James
08-03-2006, 11:31 AM
<p>Did it go anything like this...</p><p><strong>Recruiter</strong>: Now, are either of you homosexuals? <br /><strong>Phixion</strong>: You mean like flaming? Or part time? <br /><strong>Recruiter</strong>: Well, it's a question we have to ask of all our new recruits. <br /><strong>Phixion</strong>: No, we're not homosexual, but we are willing to learn. </p>

El Mudo
08-03-2006, 11:54 AM
<strong>UnknownPD</strong> wrote:<br><p>Is there a country on earth that does not have a jaded history? </p><p></p>

Youre missing the point of history.

The point of history is to show how people lived in the past, its not to pass judgment on how/what they did while they were living good or bad

phixion
08-03-2006, 12:09 PM
<p>phishy i just named stuff that i had off the top of my head. if i wanted to get into african genocide he wouldve been on the phone all day. and as far as stalin goes that list would go on longer than african genocide.</p><p>jimbeam the difference with everything ive sited historically i could believe what was going on. the prevantative war in iraq i never not once believed that a third world country under un sanctions could ever build a wmd. i didnt believe he had anything to do with 9/11, and&nbsp;i dont believe that saddam was any worse than a number of dictators that pepper this world. the japanese took numerous pictures of mutialted women and pow's used&nbsp; as bayonette practice, almost as if they revelled in their work. the japanese look(ed) down upon chinese like dogs, and werent quiet about it. </p><p>and mudo that point u made about TR forcing his sons into service is partially my point, why werent more rich people who bought htere way out of service sorry and ashamed. because the army said it was ok, they didnt break any laws so it was ok. TR a great man saw that it was wrong and went out of his way to rectify the situation. the army shouldve known it was wrong as well. </p><p>and your wikipedia research was spot on but still we tried and perhaps if a volunteer unit hadnt have gone then they may have sent their own units</p><p>also your basically saying that theyre victims of their time, and i just don't think thats an excuse, i wont buy it i cant buy it. saying that makes it okay because it was so long ago. i cant accept that. cause if i do then one day im saying that south african apartheid was ok because they were victims of their time. or how we treated many third wrold countries during the cold war was okay because of the era. i cant allow myself to get to that point......</p>

narc
08-03-2006, 12:19 PM
Read a book called "We Wish to Inform That Tomorrow We Will Be Killed With Our Families" about Rwanda by Philip Gourevitch of the NY Times. He won the Pulitzer for it. In it, he discusses how the Rwanda genocide was mostly the complete failure of the UN to do ANYTHING meaningful while they could have, under the leadership of the French, who favored the Hutus over the Tutsis. We tried to get more different, but it was really the French who stonewalled us and we sort of saw it was pointless. The UN hasn't even been fixed since then - see Darfur. And they were created in part to keep genocide from happening. <br><p>
And how many of those genocides are our fault for not getting involved? How about the Ukrainians? Should we have turned on one of our allies (never mind that the Nazis also raped and killed their fair share of Ukrainians)? How about the Armenian genocide by the Turks? Should we have gotten involved there? We weren't even really a power until into the last century. Would you lay the blame at the UK's feet when they were the biggest power in the world? You're way overstating our power for a good deal of history. <br><p>
And again, you're judging the substitution policy way too harshly. There's a reason we don't have that policy now: we have an income tax to fund war. Back then, we were more relient on private individuals to fund the war effort, so we needed plutocrats around. During the civil war, nobody even thought the income tax was constitutional, and, even after they passed it the first time, the Supreme Court still overturned it. And this was years after the war. Besides, rich people got out of it during Vietnam as well. There were just different methods of doing it.

narc
08-03-2006, 12:22 PM
<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><strong>phixion</strong> wrote:<br><p><p>also your basically saying that theyre victims of their time, and i just don't think thats an excuse, i wont buy it i cant buy it. saying that makes it okay because it was so long ago. i cant accept that. cause if i do then one day im saying that south african apartheid was ok because they were victims of their time. or how we treated many third wrold countries during the cold war was okay because of the era. i cant allow myself to get to that point......</p><hr color="cococo" align="left"><p></p>

So basically, you're faulting the United States for not doing things that would have been impossible to do anyway. That makes a ton of sense.

UnknownPD
08-03-2006, 12:34 PM
Youre missing the point of history. <p>The point of history is to show how people lived in the past, its not to pass judgment on how/what they did while they were living good or bad </p><p>I'm confused...isn't this entire thread an indictment of the current US (Government) Military based on their history.</p><p>I also disagree with your&nbsp;point of history. The purpose of history is to is not only to learn, but to make judgements. We then use those judgements to make decisions about how we live today. To not pass judgement on slavery, colonialism etc etc makes no sense.</p>

narc
08-03-2006, 12:38 PM
I think it's more of understanding why people thought things like colonialism and slavery were okay back there. With slavery it's actually interesting because it was so clearly wrong to so many people, including slaveholders, yet they invented so many ways to justify it to themselves.

phixion
08-03-2006, 12:53 PM
<p>So basically, you're faulting the United States for not doing things that would have been impossible to do anyway. That makes a ton of sense. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>taking quote out of context, i said that as a counter point to mudo saying that buying out of the civil war and a segregated military were done out of i guess ignorance. </p><p>and the african genocide was brought up by phishhead, not me i just gave my response. and just to piss some people off if we can circumvent the UN for the war in iraq then we could have circumvented the un about rwanda. </p><p></p><p>And how many of those genocides are our fault for not getting involved? How about the Ukrainians? Should we have turned on one of our allies (never mind that the Nazis also raped and killed their fair share of Ukrainians)? How about the Armenian genocide by the Turks? Should we have gotten involved there? We weren't even really a power until into the last century. Would you lay the blame at the UK's feet when they were the biggest power in the world? You're way overstating our power for a good deal of history. <br /></p><p></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i never even mentioned any of this. i never brought up anything i didnt believe we couldve helped. for wwii we demonstrated the perfect example of mobilizing, from going from a country completely for isolation to one going completely for war. and your going to say that pearl harbor had something to do with it. and im going to say that a picture of a chinese&nbsp;woman with a hot poker, one end attached to japanese soldiers hand the other coming out of her pussy with blood dripping down her legs like a satin dress should have enraged the country as much as pearl harbor. and if it didnt then im ashamed to call myself an american, because then we are saying its ok for invading countries to do this. </p><p>and i will always&nbsp;judge any institution that says poor people are expendable and rich people arent harshly. there had to be other ways to finance a war.&nbsp;taxes, loans, anything else.&nbsp;there is no excuse for&nbsp;something that could construed as class extermination. and i mentioned how&nbsp;rich people got out vietnam, yes they found loopholes, but&nbsp;they were loopholes available for everyone not just the rich, that loophole was&nbsp;ONLY for the rich.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

JimBeam
08-03-2006, 01:00 PM
<p>The thing with slavery is too many people think it began and ended it the southern US.</p><p>Too bad it had been going on for years all over the place.</p>

HeyGuy
08-03-2006, 01:46 PM
<strong>JimBeam</strong> wrote:<br /><p>The thing with slavery is too many people think it began and ended it the southern US.</p><p>Too bad it had been going on for years all over the place.</p><p>First let me say I agree almost 100% with phix. Very good research and you know waht your talking about.</p><p>Now to Jim Beam. I think your above statement is the best and most unknown fact about slavary. </p><p>All nations at one time or another were enslaved. Shit the Italians were slaves to Afriacans at one time. The American Slaves were actually purchased from their own people. So Slavery itself is 100% wrong, but to blame white Americans would be ignorant. All Americans didnt own slaves because they couldnt afford it. Only the Rich, plus a lot of the different white nations didnt come to America until after Slavery was abollished (sp?)</p><p>IMO I dont think there is any 1 person, race, nation to blame. Many are too blame it all depends on who you as an idividual sees it.</p><p>I see it like this. Money bought you everything you wanted back then, including buying humans. Things have changed for the better (thank god) But in some cases things havent changed at all. Money will still buy you out of a lot. Money and the rich have and will always have power. </p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by CampoNJ on 8-3-06 @ 5:47 PM</span>

El Mudo
08-03-2006, 02:27 PM
<strong>CampoNJ</strong> wrote:<br><strong>JimBeam</strong> wrote:<br /><p>The thing with slavery is too many people think it began and ended it the southern US.</p><p>Too bad it had been going on for years all over the place.</p><p>First let me say I agree almost 100% with phix. Very good research and you know waht your talking about.</p><p>Now to Jim Beam. I think your above statement is the best and most unknown fact about slavary. </p><p>All nations at one time or another were enslaved. Shit the Italians were slaves to Afriacans at one time. The American Slaves were actually purchased from their own people. So Slavery itself is 100% wrong, but to blame white Americans would be ignorant. All Americans didnt own slaves because they couldnt afford it. Only the Rich, plus a lot of the different white nations didnt come to America until after Slavery was abollished (sp?)</p><p>IMO I dont think there is any 1 person, race, nation to blame. Many are too blame it all depends on who you as an idividual sees it.</p><p>I see it like this. Money bought you everything you wanted back then, including buying humans. Things have changed for the better (thank god) But in some cases things havent changed at all. Money will still buy you out of a lot. Money and the rich have and will always have power. </p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by CampoNJ on 8-3-06 @ 5:47 PM</span><p></p>

Also, people don't blame the north ENOUGH for slavery. They built all the slave ships up there for one, and New England had such a huge deal going on with the Rum/Slave trade that they blew a gasket when the English wanted to tax it

The bottom line on that subject is that NO ONE'S hands are clean...unfortunately, to paraphrase the Drive By Truckers, "hate and racism have been around since the dawn of time, and probably always will be, but thanks to guys like George Wallace, its easier to play it with a southern accent"

El Mudo
08-03-2006, 02:28 PM
Narc pretty much summarized all the other points I wanted to make

davidb72
08-03-2006, 02:40 PM
<p>What's the big deal? I spent 13 years in the Army Reserves and had some really fun times. Sure, some of it sucked, but that's life.</p><p>It's like Ron says, you live on this planet right? Experience all it has to offer.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Bunch of F-ing pansies...<br />&nbsp;</p>

PapaBear
08-03-2006, 04:56 PM
When I joined the Navy, my recruiter had my lie about how much pot I had smoked in the past. He even told me to make up the date of the last time I smoked it, and that I didn't like it. He said to make sure the date is one I'll remember, if they ever ask me again.

phixion
08-03-2006, 05:03 PM
<p>I'm confused...isn't this entire thread an indictment of the current US (Government) Military based on their history</p><p>no it was intended to explain how much of an argumentative asshole i can be.(funny how the thread shows this in and of itself) and i thought it was ironic how i argued with and angered a marine recruiter so much that he hung up on me. i feel like i beat a marine in my head, he gave up.well that was my intention. and&nbsp;i laughed and i laughed when he hung up&nbsp;and i happened to be on this board at the time so i shared.</p>

A.J.
08-04-2006, 04:10 AM
<strong>PapaBear</strong> wrote:<br />When I joined the Navy, my recruiter had my lie about how much pot I had smoked in the past. He even told me to make up the date of the last time I smoked it, and that I didn't like it. He said to make sure the date is one I'll remember, if they ever ask me again. <p>Hopefully you didn't have a problem with short-term memory loss.</p>