Saddam - DEAD [Archive] - RonFez.net Messageboard

sr71blackbird

12-29-2006, 03:22 PM

Just figured I'd jump the gun and make a thread.  They are reporting he is hours away from being <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/Saddam_Hussein" target="_blank">hung</a><img src="http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1033247/2/istockphoto_1033247_hangmans_noose.jpg" border="0" width="253" height="380" />

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 03:23 PM

get the popcorn. 

sr71blackbird

12-29-2006, 03:25 PM

How long do you figure before we see pics of him hanging?  I bet within a day.

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 03:34 PM

i expect the news to break into what ever is on with some sort of footage any minute since it is saturday over there already. 

reeshy

12-29-2006, 03:38 PM

OH NO...say it ain't so...he has given me so many hours of joy and fun.....BOOHOO!!!!!!!

SatCam

12-29-2006, 03:39 PM

I think this guy did a bit about this...

http://www.bsnews.org/articles/images/1164171378_kramer_michaelrichards2.jpg

"1 hour from now we'll have you upside down with a fucking fork up your ass! You can talk! You can talk! You can talk! You're brave now motherfucker! Throw his ass out, he's a sandnigger! He's a sandnigger! He's a sandnigger! A sandnigger! Look there's a sandnigger! oooohhhh! ooohhhh!"

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 03:40 PM

Watch Katy Couric get the scoop first since she screwed up the Gerald Ford death because she was on a "much deserved vacation". She's probably sitting in the make up room for the next 24 hours.

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 03:41 PM

reeshy wrote: OH NO...say it ain't so...he has given me so many hours of joy and fun.....BOOHOO!!!!!!! why are you crying about him being hung? i am happy about it. i keep waiting for the news to break of it happening. 

This message was edited by Don Stugots on 12-29-06 @ 7:42 PM

MadMatt

12-29-2006, 03:44 PM

I'll tell you what... this post delay is a fucking hinderance!I want up-to-the-second updates from you blokes and all I get is this fucking delay.

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 03:46 PM

it's going to be done between 9:30 and 10:00 pm tonight http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/12/29/061229231840.gm6tf5qg.html   <img src="http://sl.glitter-graphics.net/pub/112/112470m1z743yv7j.gif" border="0" width="84" height="67" />

This message was edited by dotsncoms on 12-29-06 @ 7:48 PM

reeshy

12-29-2006, 03:54 PM

It's called sarcasm, Andrew!!!!!!!!!

ChrisTheCop

12-29-2006, 03:55 PM

He'll be hung as I sleep; dead before I awake. COOL!maybe Reilly should start a cnn viewing thread.

reeshy

12-29-2006, 03:55 PM

I want up-to-the-second updates from you blokes and all I get is this fucking delay. Who you calling a fucking bloke?????...I'm a fucking mate!!!!!

TheGameHHH

12-29-2006, 04:01 PM

Is it hung or hanged?

FUNKMAN

12-29-2006, 04:13 PM

he's gonna ride the gallows polethis is one guy that fucked up big time. he had nothing to hide but he played "guess what's in this hand" a little too long. one day you're living in a palace, the next you're living in a spider hole. talk about downsizing...

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 04:22 PM

reeshy wrote: It's called sarcasm, Andrew!!!!!!!!!  i know it was.  i am sure that there are people out there who are against it.

DarkHippie

12-29-2006, 04:32 PM

I'm not for the death penalty, but if anyone needed their neck stretched its this guy.  I don't condone it, but I wont feel bad to see him go.

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 04:34 PM

 i condone it.  a few hundred lives for his.  the cop killer in staten island.  his day is coming too.

pennington

12-29-2006, 04:38 PM

Another example where being well hung is a good thing.

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 04:40 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: Is it hung or hanged? <img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/79/Saddamstatue.jpg/200px-Saddamstatue.jpg" border="0" />

This message was edited by dotsncoms on 12-29-06 @ 8:43 PM

keithy_19

12-29-2006, 04:43 PM

No one wants to give him a second chance? Sheesh. When did we become so unforgiving as a people.                            Wait for it...wait for it....ATTACK!

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 04:49 PM

It's over Johnny  <img src="http://z.about.com/f/wiki/e/en/thumb/c/c6/SaddamSpiderHole.jpg/300px-SaddamSpiderHole.jpg" border="0" width="300" height="225" />

rckiller

12-29-2006, 04:52 PM

I think they should have lobbed a grenade in his spider hole and saved everyone a lot of time.

hwyengr

12-29-2006, 04:54 PM

Wow.ÿ I'm really trying to cement my popularity here, but I don't think that hanging Saddam is the greatest of ideas. This was also the wrong time to remove him from power.ÿ He's one crazy fuck, no question about it.ÿ But, he had a common enemy with the United States, and that was Iran.ÿ Which is why the US lent him support in the '80s.ÿ He hated the Islamofascists as much as anyone, because they were a threat to his power.ÿ If you let Saddam oppress the radical Islam population, then they aren't as much of a danger, and the US doesn't have to look bad by doing it themselves.ÿÿSometimes you have to fight crazy with crazy.ÿ He could have been, and from what evidence we've seen, he already was, diplomatically contained from threatening the world, while lending "stability" to the mideast.

This message was edited by hwyengr on 12-29-06 @ 8:58 PM

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 04:57 PM

What does exterminating Kurds have to do with Iran? This is only because of Saddam trying to assassinate George Bush senior.

This message was edited by dotsncoms on 12-29-06 @ 9:01 PM

Zorro

12-29-2006, 04:57 PM

I'm guessing we'll get Uday and Kusay (sp?) type photos. It'll be a while before we see the ones of him swinging

hwyengr

12-29-2006, 04:59 PM

dotsncoms wrote: What does exterminating Kurds have to do with Iran? Nothing.ÿ But the current insurgency sure as hell does.

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 05:04 PM

i had to edit my last post this is because wolfowitz and chaney were in involved with george bush senior when saddam tried to assassinate him.

DarkHippie

12-29-2006, 05:05 PM

hwyengr wrote: dotsncoms wrote: What does exterminating Kurds have to do with Iran?  Nothing.  But the current insurgency sure as hell does.Well, the gassing of the Kurds I think happened during the Iran/Iraq war to keep them in line.  I'm not quite sure though.  its become a blur to me in my old age

Bulldogcakes

12-29-2006, 05:13 PM

Fox news all night tonite, baby. If anyone will broadcast this thing live, its them. For "news" purposes, of couse.

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 05:18 PM

Larry King is live with iraq dude, the dude is saying saddam is being very brave. It's on XM cnn. It's live from Kuwait

This message was edited by dotsncoms on 12-29-06 @ 9:19 PM

DJEvelEd

12-29-2006, 05:24 PM

It's one of his body doubles. I heard he had many.They should have kept the charade going and put a puppet back in power. He could never be assassinated since there would be an endless stream of Saddams. He would be worth more alive then dead.I guess it only OK if we kill people. Nobody else can.Kinda like the nuclear bomb. We can have it and use it but nobody else can.Strange place we live... Attack...3...2....1.......     ........Owww.........ya bastages!

narc

12-29-2006, 05:27 PM

When can we add "...and LOVING it!" to the name of this thread?

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 05:31 PM

<table border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2" width="100%"><tbody><tr width="50" bgcolor="white"><td align="center" bgcolor="#3175bd"> </td> <td bgcolor="#3175bd">Discussion Topic: Saddam - DEAD And Loving It </td></tr></tbody></table>

newport king

12-29-2006, 05:33 PM

Some of Saddam's greatest hits on youtube. NSFW<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt6MlKt8vaE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt6MlKt8vaE</a>

hwyengr

12-29-2006, 05:39 PM

newport king wrote: Some of Saddam's greatest hits on youtube. NSFW<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt6MlKt8vaE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt6MlKt8vaE</a> You're right.ÿ He is insane.ÿ But he was doing this to the people who are now attacking our troops.

Bulldogcakes

12-29-2006, 05:42 PM

OK, that lasted about 5 minutes. I cant stand Hannity and Colmes. Channel surfing for the rest of the night.

epo

12-29-2006, 05:43 PM

I hope I'm wrong, but this execution of Saddam will probably spur a new wave of violence in Iraq.  God I hope I'm wrong. 

Hottub

12-29-2006, 05:47 PM

epo wrote: I hope I'm wrong, but this execution of Saddam will probably spur a new wave of violence in Iraq.  God I hope I'm wrong.  I hate to say it, but you are more than likely correct.

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 05:48 PM

Hottub wrote: epo wrote: I hope I'm wrong, but this execution of Saddam will probably spur a new wave of violence in Iraq. God I hope I'm wrong. I hate to say it, but you are more than likely correct. thirded

TheVHD

12-29-2006, 05:48 PM

I got the video:<a href="http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blsaddamlaststand.htm"><img src="http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/u/U/saddam_hang.gif" border="0" alt="Saddam Hanging" width="272" height="344" /></a><a href="http://null/library/images/blsaddamlaststand.htm"></a>

Bulldogcakes

12-29-2006, 05:52 PM

epo wrote: I hope I'm wrong, but this execution of Saddam will probably spur a new wave of violence in Iraq. God I hope I'm wrong.  A " new wave of violence"? You been watching the news for the past 2 years?

FUNKMAN

12-29-2006, 05:53 PM

why hang him, just send him quali hunting with cheney

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 05:55 PM

FUNKMAN wrote: why hang him, just send him quali hunting with cheney nice

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 05:57 PM

or breeding with Mary

Fezticle98

12-29-2006, 05:57 PM

Damn, I just friend requested him on myspace! He'll never get to it.Seriously, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.Sad you had to go so soon, wish you could've hung around for a while.

FUNKMAN

12-29-2006, 05:57 PM

Don Stugots wrote: FUNKMAN wrote: why hang him, just send him quali hunting with cheney  nicethanks bro! be even nicer if i knew how to spell quail-lol

pennington

12-29-2006, 05:58 PM

Who had Saddam in the death pool?

This message was edited by pennington on 12-29-06 @ 9:59 PM

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 06:00 PM

I did hoo hoo tell em Fred

Snacks

12-29-2006, 06:00 PM

hwyengr wrote: Wow.  I'm really trying to cement my popularity here, but I don't think that hanging Saddam is the greatest of ideas. This was also the wrong time to remove him from power.  He's one crazy fuck, no question about it.  But, he had a common enemy with the United States, and that was Iran.  Which is why the US lent him support in the '80s.  He hated the Islamofascists as much as anyone, because they were a threat to his power.  If you let Saddam oppress the radical Islam population, then they aren't as much of a danger, and the US doesn't have to look bad by doing it themselves.  Sometimes you have to fight crazy with crazy.  He could have been, and from what evidence we've seen, he already was, diplomatically contained from threatening the world, while lending "stability" to the mideast. This message was edited by hwyengr on 12-29-06 @ 8:58 PM I was going to post something similar. Sadam was a bad guy yes, but there are a lot of bad guys out there that we dont do anything about. I just think we went to Iraq as a bully. Iraq was no threat to us. Now taking him out we went from one extreme to another. I heard on faux news tonight them talking about him killing 1.5 million people (wars that iraq was in included) Does this mean anything. Think about the 500,000 People that have died already in this current war, then add the 700,000 that died during the gulf war in 1991. Should Bush SR and Jr be on trial for murder? No. I just think we have no business forcing our  lifestyles and freedoms on any nation without them asking for our help. To me his own people didnt rise up to fight him and take him out of power, then we had no reason to do it without them asking us for help.Whenever I see us do something in another country I aways like to see and hear both sides of the story. but I do think if any of this ever happened to America we would feel the same way as the rest of the world does.We need to mind our own business and get out of the middle east. The problem now is Iran is trying to take control of Irq which is making it harder for us to really make Iraq a free country. I hate top admit this, but we and Iraq was better off when Sadam was in power. Sure some people were fucked b/c Sadam but he kept Iran out and the country was not a terroist country. 50% on America doesnt like Bush that doesnt mean another country should come in here and try to switch shit up. Its our job to do that, not another country. Same should have went for Iraq. But I think it was about oil and that sadam wanted to kill Bush Sr.

Bulldogcakes

12-29-2006, 06:05 PM

MSNBC reporting he is "at the gallows"

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 06:06 PM

Yep local Fox is all over this

hwyengr

12-29-2006, 06:06 PM

Snacks wrote: I was going to post something similar.ÿ  Woo!ÿ Board newbies unite!

reeshy

12-29-2006, 06:06 PM

Very smoooth!!!!!!

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 06:07 PM

it took place ten minutes ago

landarch

12-29-2006, 06:07 PM

cnn says he was hung ten minutes ago

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 06:09 PM

And Katy is still in make up and hair

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 06:10 PM

no video yet?  wtf?

Doctor Z

12-29-2006, 06:11 PM

GALL0WN3D!!!1

reeshy

12-29-2006, 06:12 PM

Christ ....i miss him already~~~

Zorro

12-29-2006, 06:13 PM

They are saying he will be buried in an unmarked grave. Do they cremate in Islam?

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 06:14 PM

what a spin bush killed saddam for his dad and now our children have to fight the middle east

OGC

12-29-2006, 06:14 PM

Sure it is easy to say that it is up to us to take care of our own problems here and that you wouldn't want another country coming in to straighten things out. It is one thing to disagree with the president, it is quite another thing when a dictator has been in power for over 20 years and is ruling with an iron fist. Say what you will about our government but you can't really compare it to the one that was in charge over there. They were killing hundreds of thousands of their own people. It's no wonder that the citizens in Iraq didn't try to take him out of power.I try to listen to all sides of the argument and I try to put myself in the other guys situation. If there was a violent military uprising in this country which included the execution of dissentors, I sure as fuck would hope that another country would try to come in here and help us.

Zorro

12-29-2006, 06:15 PM

reeshy wrote: Christ ....i miss him already~~~ I know how you feel...poor guy...what a partier and pussyhound...he will be missed

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 06:17 PM

Zorro wrote: reeshy wrote: Christ ....i miss him already~~~ I know how you feel...poor guy...what a partier and pussyhound...he will be missed he was the best

Kevin

12-29-2006, 06:17 PM

The world is a better place without that demon.

Friday

12-29-2006, 06:18 PM

Harsh but valid points, Snacks.  In my humblest of opinions, I see the execution of Saddam as a sort of late night infomercial of sorts for the Bush administration.  They are saying , "Look!  We have him and now we will kill him and show him that we are stronger and better and more righteous.  We will avenge 9/11!" .But was Saddam behind 9/11?  Not really.  And while yes, he is a bad bad man.... our reasons for killing him have more to do with HIS home country than with ours.  As Americans we wonder why people around the globe have such harsh opinions toward us.   But look at what we do... we take over, and thrust our opinions and values upon the world and expect them to respect and adapt to it willingly.  Well... maybe that isn't the right way to be.  I don't know... I am hardly the most politically educated person on this board.  But all of this has born an alarming resemblence to the 'pilgrims' journey to america and the push Westward... that eventually all but wiped out the Native Indian population in the land we now call America.   That removed from them their sense of self ... and forced them to conform to a new way of living.  Thus creating unrest within the population itself.  I am proud to be an American.  Hell.... I had to wait 8 years to become one!  I just sometimes wish we were a less pompous presence in the world ... and maybe a bit more compassionate.  But I am part Idealist.   I suppose...  lol.

reeshy

12-29-2006, 06:21 PM

You know that I love you, Friday...but shit...the guy deserved to die....enough said!!

Doctor Z

12-29-2006, 06:23 PM

"HE WAS A SON OF A BITCH!"<img src="http://photos.friendster.com/photos/28/99/13519982/7168054228635m.jpg" border="0" alt="brasky" title="brasky" width="200" height="150" />"TO BILL BRASKY!!!"

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 06:23 PM

i just look at the map and wonder why the fuck are we over there! It's not our fucking world!

Friday

12-29-2006, 06:26 PM

Reesh, dahling.... I totally agree!  He was a murderer and a bad bad man.  No doubt deserving of just punishment and I would gladly watch him hang whilst sipping a brandy and noshing on the finest Orville Reddenbacher!I just have to be devils advocate... because being a Gemini means being delightfully indecisive!  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/devil2.gif" border="0" />

narc

12-29-2006, 06:26 PM

That's not true. Both the United States and Iraq are on the planet Earth. Now if they had been on Mars, for instance, I woulda been with you.

Zorro

12-29-2006, 06:28 PM

Don Stugots wrote: Zorro wrote: reeshy wrote: Christ ....i miss him already~~~ I know how you feel...poor guy...what a partier and pussyhound...he will be missed he was the bestI can remember the night he was partying...farted and joked "Now you know how the kurds felt" He was a hell of a guy...with a great sense of humor

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 06:29 PM

But we act like we own the world and now our children have to clean up Cheney's mess

This message was edited by dotsncoms on 12-29-06 @ 10:33 PM

epo

12-29-2006, 06:29 PM

richg0404 wrote:  They were killing hundreds of thousands of their own people. This is the part of the argument that holds no water.  Historically Iraq is a fake country, constructed with three warring tribes after WWI.  This is the power of the "talking point".  Those Kurds were not Saddam's "people".  This is merely a slogan that our government has attempted to sell us to make Saddam seem worse.  Not that he wasn't a douche to begin with.  Now if you said that Saddam led the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Kurds I'll agree with you all day.

Judge Smails

12-29-2006, 06:29 PM

Goodnight funny man.  Thanks for the laughs.

OGC

12-29-2006, 06:30 PM

I know we put the present government in power over there and I'm not so stupid as to think we didn't have a lot to do with getting this turd executed, but just step back and think about it. If even 1/10 of the horrors that we have heard about Saddam and his thugs is true, that is plenty of reason to revoke his right to life.Does anyone out there actually think that if there was a true and honest poll of the people of Iraq, that they would have hesitated to kill this man.Sure we may have been the major power that hung him, but the Iraqis would have done it years ago if they had the chance.Forget the reasons and forget who the executioner was. The world is rid of that piece of shit and it is better without him. I'll bet that most of the Iraqis will celebrate, although probably quitely because they are still afraid that there are more of Saddam's goons out there.

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 06:30 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: Is it hung or hanged? Good question for there is a difference.  I'm hung, as in "well hung."  Sadaam has been hanged, as in "dead motherfucker"

Friday

12-29-2006, 06:31 PM

WAIT!Saddam was hung  exactly one month after my Mama died.Does this mean she gets to be one of the first Angels to Whup his Ass?!  How awesome!  Go Mom!  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/thumbup.gif" border="0" />

narc

12-29-2006, 06:31 PM

You're going to have to be a little bit more specific and less sound-bitey than that. And it's "our".

Zorro

12-29-2006, 06:33 PM

let's just hope he doesn't show up in three days claiming to be...well you get it

This message was edited by Zorro on 12-29-06 @ 10:42 PM

OGC

12-29-2006, 06:35 PM

epo wrote: richg0404 wrote:  They were killing hundreds of thousands of their own people. This is the part of the argument that holds no water.  Historically Iraq is a fake country, constructed with three warring tribes after WWI.  This is the power of the "talking point".  Those Kurds were not Saddam's "people".  This is merely a slogan that our government has attempted to sell us to make Saddam seem worse.  Not that he wasn't a douche to begin with.  Now if you said that Saddam led the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Kurds I'll agree with you all day.Ok, let's argue semantics. The Kurds lived within the boarders of Saddam's country and he murdered hundreds of thousands of them. I consider them his people only because they lived within the same boarders.Your statement is like saying George Bush can kill all of the <pick your favorite minority> because they aren't his people.

reeshy

12-29-2006, 06:36 PM

This is why I love Friday with all my heart!!!!!

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 06:37 PM

dotsncoms wrote: what a spin bush killed saddam for his dad and now our children have to fight the middle east Just stop with the moral equivalency argument.  It makes you sound like a lunatic.  Sadaam is dead and that is a good thing and no argument can be made to counter that.   You just wind up sounding like some Ivy League liberal elistist trying to push your personal morals on the rest of us.You are kidding right?  You can't be serious about that?

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 06:39 PM

It will go down in history as redemption for Bush sr. attempted assinassition plot and we want your oil war

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 06:41 PM

call me in 20 years and tell me where your sons are at

hwyengr

12-29-2006, 06:41 PM

scottinnj wrote: You just wind up sounding like some Ivy League conservative elistist trying to push your personal morals on the rest of us.  Funny how you change that one word, and you completely describe our current Executive Branch.

narc

12-29-2006, 06:41 PM

scottinnj wrote: dotsncoms wrote: what a spin bush killed saddam for his dad and now our children have to fight the middle east Just stop with the moral equivalency argument.  It makes you sound like a lunatic.  Sadaam is dead and that is a good thing and no argument can be made to counter that.   You just wind up sounding like some Ivy League liberal elistist trying to push your personal morals on the rest of us.You are kidding right?  You can't be serious about that? I thought it was Cheney that was doing it anyway? Because Bush is clearly too dumb to be president. yuk yuk yuk guffaw guffaw. I also thought he sounded more like Jeanine Garofalo.

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 06:41 PM

So what?  He still deserved to die. 

narc

12-29-2006, 06:42 PM

dotsncoms wrote: It will go down in history as redemption for Bush sr. attempted assinassition plot and we want your oil war I forgot you had a time machine. And we're not getting any of their oil so if that was the reason, it's not working out  for us (for many reasons) Also, it's assassination. It's phonetic.

epo

12-29-2006, 06:43 PM

richg0404 wrote: epo wrote: richg0404 wrote:  They were killing hundreds of thousands of their own people. This is the part of the argument that holds no water.  Historically Iraq is a fake country, constructed with three warring tribes after WWI.  This is the power of the "talking point".  Those Kurds were not Saddam's "people".  This is merely a slogan that our government has attempted to sell us to make Saddam seem worse.  Not that he wasn't a douche to begin with.  Now if you said that Saddam led the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Kurds I'll agree with you all day.Ok, let's argue semantics. The Kurds lived within the boarders of Saddam's country and he murdered hundreds of thousands of them. I consider them his people only because they lived within the same boarders.Your statement is like saying George Bush can kill all of the because they aren't his people.My statement couldn't be further from your perception.  This is a "country" that has three factions that fucking hate each other.  These factions did not choose to become a nation, rather they were forced into this alliance after a world war.  A Bathist would murder a Kurd, because he's a kurd.  A "red-stater" would not murder a "blue-stater" just because.  Big difference.  T.E. Lawrence pointed out this clusterfuck in 1920 and nobody listened then.  And nobody is listening now.Needless to say that Saddam deserved to die for crimes against humanity.

MadBiker

12-29-2006, 06:43 PM

Well, Fox News is reporting him Dead, Dead, Dead as of 10:39 p.m.  Brace for impact! The fallout could be messy.

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 06:44 PM

dotsncoms wrote: call me in 20 years and tell me where your sons are at Again you sound stupid.  I was there in Desert Storm, my niece has spent a year over there, every generation of my family has military service. So don't give me this bullshit about where my sons will be.  BEEN THERE DONE THAT!  And I danced a jig when that fucker died.

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 06:46 PM

do you have video of you dancing the jig?

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 06:46 PM

True but not the argument being made.  Just because the Executive branch fucked the post invasion Iraq up, it has no bearing on that dude sounding like a douche.

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 06:47 PM

i'm just saying it's a clusterfuck because bush was in office and his fathers team orchestrated and brainwashed you

bigdaddycain

12-29-2006, 06:48 PM

Today a man is killed for the goodness of man kind. I have seen this mans evil ways. Please in no way think that this man was a saint. The death today was nothing to what he did to women and child. He was turely the face of evil. I saw what he did in the first Gulf War. He is the devil. We are better off with out this asshole.

reeshy

12-29-2006, 06:48 PM

yea dotscom.....inteas of critizing....give us a fucking solution, asshole!!!

Doctor Z

12-29-2006, 06:49 PM

I'm glad he's dead, but I'm not gonna sit here and rant about what a mass murderer he was.  I don't care how many of his own people he killed because they were far away from me and I didn't know any of them.  Plus they were brown.

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 06:49 PM

maybe we should just all hold hands and sing koombayah

epo

12-29-2006, 06:50 PM

Group hug?

hwyengr

12-29-2006, 06:50 PM

scottinnj wrote: True but not the argument being made.ÿ Just because the Executive branch fucked the post invasion Iraq up, it has no bearing on that dude sounding like a douche. True, but ragging on Ivy Leaguers is hypocritical when the President is a born and bred blue-blood.ÿ Not arguing a point, I'm arguing procedure.

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 06:52 PM

the administration is loaded with Skull and Bones read the book

reeshy

12-29-2006, 06:52 PM

WOW...I thought this was a thread about Saddam getting hung......not a Bush bashing thread....start another thread assholes!!!!

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 06:52 PM

bigdaddycain wrote: Today a man is killed for the goodness of man kind. I have seen this mans evil ways. Please in no way think that this man was a saint. The death today was nothing to what he did to women and child. He was turely the face of evil. I saw what he did in the first Gulf War. He is the devil. We are better off with out this asshole. Quoted for TRUTH!!!

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 06:52 PM

dotsncoms wrote: i'm just saying it's a clusterfuck because bush was in office and his fathers team orchestrated and brainwashed you Wow!  Which Air America host fed you that kool aid?  Randi Rhodes?  Sam Seder?  Or one of the other zeros getting paychecks made of rubber?

sr71blackbird

12-29-2006, 06:52 PM

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 06:53 PM

hwyengr wrote: scottinnj wrote: True but not the argument being made.  Just because the Executive branch fucked the post invasion Iraq up, it has no bearing on that dude sounding like a douche.  True, but ragging on Ivy Leaguers is hypocritical when the President is a born and bred blue-blood.  Not arguing a point, I'm arguing procedure.I see your point.  I conceed respectfully.

Hottub

12-29-2006, 06:54 PM

He's Gone!

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 06:54 PM

dotsncoms wrote: the administration is loaded with Skull and Bones read the book Skull and bones-pretty soon Sadaam will be a member when that's all that is left of him.

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 06:55 PM

I'm not trying to argue I just see a clusterfuck for 20 years and experts are predicting 100 years

hwyengr

12-29-2006, 06:55 PM

scottinnj wrote: dotsncoms wrote: i'm just saying it's a clusterfuck because bush was in office and his fathers team orchestrated and brainwashed you Wow!ÿ Which Air America host fed you that kool aid?ÿ Randi Rhodes?ÿ Sam Seder?ÿ Or one of the other zeros getting paychecks made of rubber? I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to single you out, but who's feeding your these ad hominem attack talking points? (Ivy League Elitists, Air America Hosts...) Fox News? Sean Hannity?

lintpit

12-29-2006, 06:56 PM

Fox,CNN, MSNBC, and others saying no photo or video yet,but definitely present at hanging. I hope this works out positively over there although I fear civil war in next 48 hrs over there.

narc

12-29-2006, 06:57 PM

dotsncoms wrote: the administration is loaded with Skull and Bones read the book The Bible? Also, John Kerry and President Taft were also in Skull and Bones. Other presidents were in other secret societies at other Ivy League universities.  What's your point exactly?

OGC

12-29-2006, 06:57 PM

epo wrote: My statement couldn't be further from your perception.  This is a "country" that has three factions that fucking hate each other.  These factions did not choose to become a nation, rather they were forced into this alliance after a world war.  A Bathist would murder a Kurd, because he's a kurd.  A "red-stater" would not murder a "blue-stater" just because.  Big difference.  T.E. Lawrence pointed out this clusterfuck in 1920 and nobody listened then.  And nobody is listening now.Needless to say that Saddam deserved to die for crimes against humanity.  Ok, so they didn't want to be a "country". Let's pretend they were in different counties that neighbored. Does that make it ok for them to be killed ? I don't think anyone would argue that it was ok for Hitler to slaughter the Poles. Or that Stalin was right for killing poeple who lived in his country but weren't "his people". It doesn't matter who the people were or where the people were, he was responsible for hundreds of thousands of their deaths and he dereved to die for it.

Hottub

12-29-2006, 06:58 PM

lintpit wrote: Fox,CNN, MSNBC, and others saying no photo or video yet,but definitely present at hanging. I hope this works out positively over there although I fear civil war in next 48 hrs over there. 2nd.

narc

12-29-2006, 06:58 PM

dotsncoms wrote: I'm not trying to argue I just see a clusterfuck for 20 years and experts are predicting 100 years What experts?

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 06:59 PM

dotsncoms wrote: I'm not trying to argue I just see a clusterfuck for 20 years and experts are predicting 100 years You are when you accuse me of being a brainwashed moron.  I don't seem to have a copy of "catcher in the rye" in my library.  If you want to bash Bush, fine.  I agree he fucked up post invasion Iraq, and if I knew then what I know now about WMDs, I wouldn't have supported the invasion.  But having said all of that, Sadaam was an evil man, and the world is better off now that he is dead.

Team_Ramrod

12-29-2006, 07:00 PM

I feel horrible!!!!!!!!!Why wasn't this on PPV so the legal fees could be recouped?It would definately crush all PPV records for all time.I wish I could have seen his face....I wonder if he wore a black hood?I bet the prick was crying cause he didn't want to die....typical bully!

HBox

12-29-2006, 07:01 PM

This is like finding a dime in a vat of shit.

narc

12-29-2006, 07:01 PM

hwyengr wrote: scottinnj wrote: dotsncoms wrote: i'm just saying it's a clusterfuck because bush was in office and his fathers team orchestrated and brainwashed you Wow!  Which Air America host fed you that kool aid?  Randi Rhodes?  Sam Seder?  Or one of the other zeros getting paychecks made of rubber? I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to single you out, but who's feeding your these ad hominem attack talking points? (Ivy League Elitists, Air America Hosts...) Fox News? Sean Hannity?I was wondering the same thing about dotsncoms. Oh, that's right, I forgot, I've been brainwashed by George H.W. Bush. I forgot when he kidnapped me and held me under the bright lights.

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 07:04 PM

hwyengr wrote: scottinnj wrote: dotsncoms wrote: i'm just saying it's a clusterfuck because bush was in office and his fathers team orchestrated and brainwashed you Wow!  Which Air America host fed you that kool aid?  Randi Rhodes?  Sam Seder?  Or one of the other zeros getting paychecks made of rubber? I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to single you out, but who's feeding your these ad hominem attack talking points? (Ivy League Elitists, Air America Hosts...) Fox News? Sean Hannity?No, I do watch Fox News, but Sean is a douche.  (See some of my other points or talk to Yerdaddy about my views about him)  But dotsncoms is accusing me of things he knows nothing about so to actively engage him in an intelligent conversation is useless.  And his rhetoric sounds exactly like the stuff on Air America.  (Channel 167 on XM)  That moral equivalency of we are just as bad as they are is rubbish.

hwyengr

12-29-2006, 07:05 PM

narc wrote: hwyengr wrote: scottinnj wrote: dotsncoms wrote: i'm just saying it's a clusterfuck because bush was in office and his fathers team orchestrated and brainwashed you Wow!ÿ Which Air America host fed you that kool aid?ÿ Randi Rhodes?ÿ Sam Seder?ÿ Or one of the other zeros getting paychecks made of rubber? I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to single you out, but who's feeding your these ad hominem attack talking points? (Ivy League Elitists, Air America Hosts...) Fox News? Sean Hannity?I was wondering the same thing about dotsncoms.ÿ Yeah, I think his arguments are shite too.ÿ But I only have enough energy to work one side of an argument.

reeshy

12-29-2006, 07:06 PM

That's not even funny.....I fear the same thing!! Hottub wrote: lintpit wrote: Fox,CNN, MSNBC, and others saying no photo or video yet,but definitely present at hanging. I hope this works out positively over there although I fear civil war in next 48 hrs over there. 2nd.

MadBiker

12-29-2006, 07:07 PM

Despots are despots regardless of the country they attempt to rule. Saddam is dead and that is justified.  And because of the current imbroglio in Iraq, Saddam the Despot has been an object of focus and concern recently.Sometimes I do wonder "Why?" Why this particular brutal, murderous dictator? Milosevic committed genocide on a similar scale and for similar reasons as Saddam, yet he languished in prison waiting for trial and verdict before eventually dying of a heart attack. The Chinese occupation of Tibet causes suffering and death everyday, yet force is neither advocated nor applied to assist the cause of "justice" there. Everyday countless crimes against humanity are being committed around the world. I am not saying Saddam should not have received his due, but why not the other oppressive regimes? Because if the justification for this particular war is to liberate Iraq and bring democracy to this unstable region, why not crusade for ALL the world? In this context, it does make it appear that Bush is pursuing the job his father left undone, as well as pushing on and on in a useless and wasteful struggle rather than admit errors and withdraw. We have neither brought democracy nor stability to Iraq. I fear Saddam's execution, while just, will only further exacerbate the violence. And any upswing in the level of violence only makes life more difficult and dangerous for our troops on the ground.

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 07:08 PM

hwyengr wrote: narc wrote: hwyengr wrote: scottinnj wrote: dotsncoms wrote: i'm just saying it's a clusterfuck because bush was in office and his fathers team orchestrated and brainwashed you Wow!  Which Air America host fed you that kool aid?  Randi Rhodes?  Sam Seder?  Or one of the other zeros getting paychecks made of rubber? I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to single you out, but who's feeding your these ad hominem attack talking points? (Ivy League Elitists, Air America Hosts...) Fox News? Sean Hannity?I was wondering the same thing about dotsncoms.  Yeah, I think his arguments are shite too.  But I only have enough energy to work one side of an argument.And a good job at that.  You sound like an intelligent poster.......I'll try to pay attention to you and leave dotsncoms to his tin foil hat project

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 07:11 PM

narc wrote: scottinnj wrote: dotsncoms wrote: what a spin bush killed saddam for his dad and now our children have to fight the middle east Just stop with the moral equivalency argument. It makes you sound like a lunatic. Sadaam is dead and that is a good thing and no argument can be made to counter that. You just wind up sounding like some Ivy League liberal elistist trying to push your personal morals on the rest of us.You are kidding right? You can't be serious about that? I thought it was Cheney that was doing it anyway? Because Bush is clearly too dumb to be president. yuk yuk yuk guffaw guffaw. I also thought he sounded more like Jeanine Garofalo.  it's just what i think and it's impossible for ivy league children to go to war, just ask Bush. I would only say this because I wonder about the future

Zorro

12-29-2006, 07:12 PM

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 07:15 PM

scottinnj wrote: hwyengr wrote: narc wrote: hwyengr wrote: scottinnj wrote: dotsncoms wrote: i'm just saying it's a clusterfuck because bush was in office and his fathers team orchestrated and brainwashed you Wow! Which Air America host fed you that kool aid? Randi Rhodes? Sam Seder? Or one of the other zeros getting paychecks made of rubber? I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to single you out, but who's feeding your these ad hominem attack talking points? (Ivy League Elitists, Air America Hosts...) Fox News? Sean Hannity?I was wondering the same thing about dotsncoms. Yeah, I think his arguments are shite too. But I only have enough energy to work one side of an argument.And a good job at that. You sound like an intelligent poster.......I'll try to pay attention to you and leave dotsncoms to his tin foil hat project let me hear your side, why should we be at war? 

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bigdaddycain

12-29-2006, 07:16 PM

God sometimes lets evil die in many ways. I feel all man have some evil. It is the satan that brings it out to commit then acts.  All i want is Peace, Please Help...

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 07:18 PM

someday war will be over it's a campaign that grows stronger everyday it's called peace on earth

lintpit

12-29-2006, 07:18 PM

Hussein one of three hangings. his half brother and his cheif judge also hanged. Also AP reporting 1st car bomb explosion. and heeere we go...

reeshy

12-29-2006, 07:18 PM

Thnak you Bigdaddy!!!! Give peace a chance!!!! and hang saddam!!!

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 07:29 PM

MadBiker wrote: Despots are despots regardless of the country they attempt to rule. Saddam is dead and that is justified.  And because of the current imbroglio in Iraq, Saddam the Despot has been an object of focus and concern recently.Sometimes I do wonder "Why?" Why this particular brutal, murderous dictator? Milosevic committed genocide on a similar scale and for similar reasons as Saddam, yet he languished in prison waiting for trial and verdict before eventually dying of a heart attack. The Chinese occupation of Tibet causes suffering and death everyday, yet force is neither advocated nor applied to assist the cause of "justice" there. Everyday countless crimes against humanity are being committed around the world. I am not saying Saddam should not have received his due, but why not the other oppressive regimes? Because if the justification for this particular war is to liberate Iraq and bring democracy to this unstable region, why not crusade for ALL the world? In this context, it does make it appear that Bush is pursuing the job his father left undone, as well as pushing on and on in a useless and wasteful struggle rather than admit errors and withdraw. We have neither brought democracy nor stability to Iraq. I fear Saddam's execution, while just, will only further exacerbate the violence. And any upswing in the level of violence only makes life more difficult and dangerous for our troops on the ground.Good post.  I think of this too.  China's human rights violations are documented and well known, but we continue to trade with them because of a long standing policy of "De tant" hoping that eventually the Communist government would cede power to democratic reforms.  Instead, it has gained power because of this policy due to huge profits to state controlled companies.  It got exponentially worse when Hong Kong became part of China.  Beijing pretty much left Hong Kong alone, in order to siphon off cash whenever needed.Milosevic died in prison because the World Court is now an impotent force that has no authority anymore.  To allow the trial of this murderer to go on over 8 years is exactly why I applaud the Iraqi people for their swift actions.  I mean, why bother being a court of law if you can't even sucessfully mete justice to the worst person in Eastern Europe since WWII?The other atrocities, such as the genocide in Darfur, are a direct challenge to the U.S. and the U.N. and sadly both have failed.  The U.N. seems to be fascinated with itself to the point it won't even use the term "genocide" for Darfur so that it doesn't have to get involved.  And the U.S. while trying to do something, must realize that the U.N. is again going to sit it out and do nothing.  And our constant fighting with now ex-secretary general Kofi Annan and his predecessor, Boutros Boutros-Ghali over corruption in the U.N. and now our screwups in Iraq are a distraction to us about these other problems in the world.We also have to prioritize what problems have to be dealt with and what our national interests/security needs are.  That sounds like a cop out, but we can't do it all alone.  We do need help from the U.N. and other allies to take care of these problems, but in the end, it always seems we have to initiate things and get the ball rolling and when it doesn't seem too risky or expensive anymore, that's when you see help from the U.N. or other countries.But yeah, I think of stuff like that too.

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 07:31 PM

dotsncoms wrote: someday war will be over it's a campaign that grows stronger everyday it's called peace on earth never happen

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 07:32 PM

narc wrote: dotsncoms wrote: I'm not trying to argue I just see a clusterfuck for 20 years and experts are predicting 100 years What experts? <a target='blank' href=http://www.washtimes.com/national/20061213-010657-5560r.htm>100 year war</a>

This message was edited by dotsncoms on 12-30-06 @ 8:56 AM

Team_Ramrod

12-29-2006, 07:32 PM

Anderson Cooper says he is getting images and video on air shortly.. CNN

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 07:33 PM

dotsncoms wrote: someday war will be over it's a campaign that grows stronger everyday it's called peace on earth Now THAT I can get behind.

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 07:42 PM

let's tell the RonFez.net lounge

This message was edited by dotsncoms on 12-29-06 @ 11:42 PM

keithy_19

12-29-2006, 07:46 PM

Don Stugots wrote: dotsncoms wrote: someday war will be over it's a campaign that grows stronger everyday it's called peace on earth  never happenIt's a sad reality.

Doctor Z

12-29-2006, 07:53 PM

BRACE YOURSELVES YOUTUBE!!!

Don Stugots

12-29-2006, 07:53 PM

keithy_19 wrote: Don Stugots wrote: dotsncoms wrote: someday war will be over it's a campaign that grows stronger everyday it's called peace on earth never happenIt's a sad reality.  sadder and realler everyday.

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 07:55 PM

someday environmental catastrophes will occur that will prevail over war. 

This message was edited by dotsncoms on 12-30-06 @ 12:43 PM

DJEvelEd

12-29-2006, 07:56 PM

Jesus wouldn't have killed him. When Jesus makes his triumphiant return, he's checkin this message board and you guys are in BIG trouble!

sr71blackbird

12-29-2006, 07:57 PM

As I was driving around tonite, I noticed a LOT of cops around.  Anyone else?

scottinnj

12-29-2006, 07:59 PM

Goodnight all.  If anyone gets the stills of Sadaam swinging(soon to be shown on Iraqi State TV, according to CNN) PLEASE PLEASE send some copies to my inbox.  I really want to jerk off to them in the morning.

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 08:00 PM

no sirens but i live witthin 50 bars left and right and they are drunk tonight! lots of horns honking

This message was edited by dotsncoms on 12-30-06 @ 12:03 AM

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 08:18 PM

Thanks to saddam chapstick is now labeled security safe, airport approved. Oh wait I meant cheney, we are his subordinates now due to the assassination attempt on Bush Senior and the war in Iraq. Wait for it                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    wait for it Narc... 

This message was edited by dotsncoms on 12-30-06 @ 12:25 AM

BLZBUBBA

12-29-2006, 08:23 PM

So maybe Saddam is surfing a lake of fire alongside Pinochet...who (if memory serves) died a few weeks ago.  Pinochet who also committed crimes against humanity.  And the IRONY?  Pinochet,  like Saddam,  was one of our allies.       We were allies when Saddam suited our purposes (the 80s)...and the Iraqi people were damned.  When he didn't suit our purposes....the gallows pole.  But the Iraqi people still appear damned.  And our mission in Iraq seems kinda damned as well. A victory....NO MORE WMDs in IRAQ (not that there were any),  AND REGIME CHANGE (Saddam is dead).  From victory WE THEN begin the struggle?  What is this?  EARTH II?Whoopee?

Zorro

12-29-2006, 08:24 PM

sr71blackbird wrote: As I was driving around tonite, I noticed a LOT of cops around.  Anyone else? I was in the times square area around 7pm. Like a fucking armed camp. Those fat midwestern houswives must be planning to unleash all their bulbous goodness on NYC

reeshy

12-29-2006, 08:25 PM

Jesus...dotcom ...what the fuck is your problem....you're being a real asshole tonight!!!

sailor

12-29-2006, 08:25 PM

epo wrote: richg0404 wrote: epo wrote: richg0404 wrote: They were killing hundreds of thousands of their own people. This is the part of the argument that holds no water. Historically Iraq is a fake country, constructed with three warring tribes after WWI. This is the power of the "talking point". Those Kurds were not Saddam's "people". This is merely a slogan that our government has attempted to sell us to make Saddam seem worse. Not that he wasn't a douche to begin with. Now if you said that Saddam led the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Kurds I'll agree with you all day.Ok, let's argue semantics. The Kurds lived within the boarders of Saddam's country and he murdered hundreds of thousands of them. I consider them his people only because they lived within the same boarders.Your statement is like saying George Bush can kill all of the because they aren't his people.My statement couldn't be further from your perception. This is a "country" that has three factions that fucking hate each other. These factions did not choose to become a nation, rather they were forced into this alliance after a world war. A Bathist would murder a Kurd, because he's a kurd. A "red-stater" would not murder a "blue-stater" just because. Big difference. T.E. Lawrence pointed out this clusterfuck in 1920 and nobody listened then. And nobody is listening now.Needless to say that Saddam deserved to die for crimes against humanity.  i'm no expert, but wasn't iraq formed by splitting up the ottoman empire?  i could easily be wrong.

Zorro

12-29-2006, 08:26 PM

Fox News Flash12:26am Sadaam still dead!

Snacks

12-29-2006, 08:27 PM

richg0404 wrote: epo wrote: richg0404 wrote:  They were killing hundreds of thousands of their own people. This is the part of the argument that holds no water.  Historically Iraq is a fake country, constructed with three warring tribes after WWI.  This is the power of the "talking point".  Those Kurds were not Saddam's "people".  This is merely a slogan that our government has attempted to sell us to make Saddam seem worse.  Not that he wasn't a douche to begin with.  Now if you said that Saddam led the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Kurds I'll agree with you all day.Ok, let's argue semantics. The Kurds lived within the boarders of Saddam's country and he murdered hundreds of thousands of them. I consider them his people only because they lived within the same boarders.Your statement is like saying George Bush can kill all of the because they aren't his people.I agree with what epo is saying. Th kurds might have lived within the borders of Iraq but they didnt follow the laws of Iraq nor did they like the sunnis or shittes and would kill them the same way Sadam did. They even hellped Iran during the Iraq, Iran war. Put it this way, what would GW do if we were at war with Canada and Seattle helped Canada in the fight against America? He would do the same, he would capture the seattle people. The difference is Iraqis are savages and just kill people.

Snacks

12-29-2006, 08:28 PM

scottinnj wrote: dotsncoms wrote: what a spin bush killed saddam for his dad and now our children have to fight the middle east Just stop with the moral equivalency argument.  It makes you sound like a lunatic.  Sadaam is dead and that is a good thing and no argument can be made to counter that.   You just wind up sounding like some Ivy League liberal elistist trying to push your personal morals on the rest of us.You are kidding right?  You can't be serious about that? Nothing wrong with being a liberal. You sound like a righty who thinks hes entitled to do whatever he wants because hes American or Christian!!! Sounds just as stupid as your comments.

sailor

12-29-2006, 08:30 PM

hwyengr wrote: scottinnj wrote: dotsncoms wrote: i'm just saying it's a clusterfuck because bush was in office and his fathers team orchestrated and brainwashed you Wow! Which Air America host fed you that kool aid? Randi Rhodes? Sam Seder? Or one of the other zeros getting paychecks made of rubber? I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to single you out, but who's feeding your these ad hominem attack talking points? (Ivy League Elitists, Air America Hosts...) Fox News? Sean Hannity? and who's feeding you yours?  ("Fox News? Sean Hannity?")  it works both ways.

Snacks

12-29-2006, 08:30 PM

richg0404 wrote: I know we put the present government in power over there and I'm not so stupid as to think we didn't have a lot to do with getting this turd executed, but just step back and think about it. If even 1/10 of the horrors that we have heard about Saddam and his thugs is true, that is plenty of reason to revoke his right to life.Does anyone out there actually think that if there was a true and honest poll of the people of Iraq, that they would have hesitated to kill this man.Sure we may have been the major power that hung him, but the Iraqis would have done it years ago if they had the chance.Forget the reasons and forget who the executioner was. The world is rid of that piece of shit and it is better without him. I'll bet that most of the Iraqis will celebrate, although probably quitely because they are still afraid that there are more of Saddam's goons out there.thats the point it doesnt mater how bad he is, we have no right to go there and remove him. The people elected him in the 70's he turned out to be nuts they should have risen up. They didnt because obviously they didnt want to. If they did they would have done it themselves and they would be rebuilding their own country now. They obviously do not agree with us or the directions the country is in now because they are fighting it. They didnt before.

OGC

12-29-2006, 08:34 PM

Snacks wrote: thats the point it doesnt mater how bad he is, we have no right to go there and remove him. The people elected him in the 70's he turned out to be nuts they should have risen up. They didnt because obviously they didnt want to. If they did they would have done it themselves and they would be rebuilding their own country now. They obviously do not agree with us or the directions the country is in now because they are fighting it. They didnt before.You think they didn't get rid of him because they didn't want to, I think they didn't because they were scared to. Either way, he stayed in power by violence. Either way he deserved what he got.

Snacks

12-29-2006, 08:36 PM

scottinnj wrote: So what?  He still deserved to die.  he was a bad guy and a lot of people deserve to die but thats not our call. Liosten 500K Iraqis have died since we invaded Iraq. They have not supported us and are now in a civil war. They didnt do this beofre to help themselves. They dont want us there. Sadam may have been a bad man but he kept Iran at bay, now Iran may control the mid east if they can get into Iraq. Sadam brought a court system to Iraq, the same system which convicted him. He was one of the only mid east coutry to bring in education. Women werent treated like 2nd class citizens. Yes he was bad but he did some good. The problem with Iraq is the coutry is a 3 part coutry and all 3 cant live together they fight and kill eachother. It just turned out that Sadam was the leader.These people are all savages, he did what savages do. They are not Americans and do not handle disagreemnets the way civilized people do thats were all the vilolence came from then and now.

Snacks

12-29-2006, 08:38 PM

scottinnj wrote: dotsncoms wrote: i'm just saying it's a clusterfuck because bush was in office and his fathers team orchestrated and brainwashed you Wow!  Which Air America host fed you that kool aid?  Randi Rhodes?  Sam Seder?  Or one of the other zeros getting paychecks made of rubber?wow you are so far up Faux news ass. Kool Aid you go Bill O'bully

Team_Ramrod

12-29-2006, 08:38 PM

I don't think anyone who is free of his terror will ever say he didn't deserve this.If there have been 2 million people killed during his reign I would venture to say that he got off light.

sailor

12-29-2006, 08:40 PM

Snacks wrote: scottinnj wrote: So what? He still deserved to die. he was a bad guy and a lot of people deserve to die but thats not our call. Liosten 500K Iraqis have died since we invaded Iraq. They have not supported us and are now in a civil war. They didnt do this beofre to help themselves. They dont want us there. Sadam may have been a bad man but he kept Iran at bay, now Iran may control the mid east if they can get into Iraq. Sadam brought a court system to Iraq, the same system which convicted him. He was one of the only mid east coutry to bring in education. Women werent treated like 2nd class citizens. Yes he was bad but he did some good. The problem with Iraq is the coutry is a 3 part coutry and all 3 cant live together they fight and kill eachother. It just turned out that Sadam was the leader.These people are all savages, he did what savages do. They are not Americans and do not handle disagreemnets the way civilized people do thats were all the vilolence came from then and now. wasn't he tried by a democratically elected iraqi government?

sailor

12-29-2006, 08:41 PM

HBox wrote: This is like finding a dime in a vat of shit. it's hott?

Snacks

12-29-2006, 08:41 PM

scottinnj wrote: dotsncoms wrote: I'm not trying to argue I just see a clusterfuck for 20 years and experts are predicting 100 years You are when you accuse me of being a brainwashed moron.  I don't seem to have a copy of "catcher in the rye" in my library.  If you want to bash Bush, fine.  I agree he fucked up post invasion Iraq, and if I knew then what I know now about WMDs, I wouldn't have supported the invasion.  But having said all of that, Sadaam was an evil man, and the world is better off now that he is dead. you keep talking about post invasion. We should never have gone. WMD or not. He never threatned us and had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq WAS a soverign nation. Why do we have the right to tell other coutnrues what they can and can not do. Yet we listen to no one, we have nuclear weapons and we dont reat all of our people humanly?

Snacks

12-29-2006, 08:45 PM

MadBiker wrote: Despots are despots regardless of the country they attempt to rule. Saddam is dead and that is justified.  And because of the current imbroglio in Iraq, Saddam the Despot has been an object of focus and concern recently.Sometimes I do wonder "Why?" Why this particular brutal, murderous dictator? Milosevic committed genocide on a similar scale and for similar reasons as Saddam, yet he languished in prison waiting for trial and verdict before eventually dying of a heart attack. The Chinese occupation of Tibet causes suffering and death everyday, yet force is neither advocated nor applied to assist the cause of "justice" there. Everyday countless crimes against humanity are being committed around the world. I am not saying Saddam should not have received his due, but why not the other oppressive regimes? Because if the justification for this particular war is to liberate Iraq and bring democracy to this unstable region, why not crusade for ALL the world? In this context, it does make it appear that Bush is pursuing the job his father left undone, as well as pushing on and on in a useless and wasteful struggle rather than admit errors and withdraw. We have neither brought democracy nor stability to Iraq. I fear Saddam's execution, while just, will only further exacerbate the violence. And any upswing in the level of violence only makes life more difficult and dangerous for our troops on the ground.very well written. The answer is easy. 1 Bush wanted to revenge for his fathers fuck up. 2 oil. 3 God spoke to bush and when God speaks you must listen 4. there is a ton of money to make off of wars if you are in bed with certain companies. 5 Republicans like to go to war to show the size of their balls, yet they never send their own kids nor do they ever fight themselves.

reeshy

12-29-2006, 08:46 PM

Last post in this thread.....saddam is dead...who cres...dotcom sucks dick!!!!

Team_Ramrod

12-29-2006, 08:48 PM

What!!!!?????????Dotsncoms sucks Dick?Hey Dots........PM me.

Snacks

12-29-2006, 08:51 PM

richg0404 wrote: Snacks wrote: thats the point it doesnt mater how bad he is, we have no right to go there and remove him. The people elected him in the 70's he turned out to be nuts they should have risen up. They didnt because obviously they didnt want to. If they did they would have done it themselves and they would be rebuilding their own country now. They obviously do not agree with us or the directions the country is in now because they are fighting it. They didnt before.You think they didn't get rid of him because they didn't want to, I think they didn't because they were scared to. Either way, he stayed in power by violence. Either way he deserved what he got.Dont get me wrong I do think he was a bad man and did deserve to die. I'm saying he isnt any worse then a lot of others we are in bed with and work with. We didnt care what Sadam did in the late 70's early 80's because we were working with him. But as soon as we turned our back on him and he got more power then we couldnt have this. He was given technology, weapons and money for 10 years when we wanted his help. Then we didnt need him anymore and that when he becamse bad? No he was at his worst til the mid 80's. All those "mass murders" were done in the late 70's til the early 80's while we were working with him. He was always bad, but he became an enemy when we had no more use for him or he wanted his oil for him and his people rather then sell it cheap to us.

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 08:53 PM

why are you asking me what broadcaster do I listen to and obey? I'm being honest and brainwashing is what they do to soldiers
<a target='blank' href=http://www.empowermentproject.org/sso.html>brainwashing</a>

This message was edited by dotsncoms on 12-30-06 @ 8:51 AM

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 08:57 PM

everyones child is going to pay for the bush administration thats all I was saying and you can't handle the truth! Narc. Your 100 hundred year war cite is here 

<a target='blank' href=http://www.washtimes.com/national/20061213-010657-5560r.htm>100 year war</a>

This message was edited by dotsncoms on 12-30-06 @ 8:45 AM

CofyCrakCocaine

12-29-2006, 09:50 PM

These people are all savages, he did what savages do. They are not Americans and do not handle disagreemnets the way civilized people do thats were all the vilolence came from then and now. I really don't like you right now. Your arguments in this paragraph are unbalanced bigotry and irrational judgement rather than valid legitimate points. They're all savages? That's real understanding and intelligent, if understanding and intelligence was measured in bullshit. They're not Americans and they use guns so they must be savages, huh. We should deal with savages like we dealt with the original savages over at Wounded Knee, right? Cuz that's what Americans do! Are there alot of savages there? Yes. Are they all from Iraq? No. Lots of them are from Iran, others from Syria, Jordan, even the UAE I am sure. But they do not represent the whole population, and just because a person is from the Middle East does not mean he is automatically given to torture, genocide, mass amputations for shits and giggles, and so on. Look at the leadership in Jordan, if you want a nice counter-example to that argument. Look at King Faisel if you want to keep it to Iraq. This doesn't mean I don't think terrorists should be dealt with brutally. I think the Taliban and Al Qaeda factions hiding out in Northern Pakistan should be firebombed en masse without hesitation. But I don't think this while also profiling the entire Arabic race as just backwards savages. They have lots of problems with their societies, and they are in conflict with our own, but that doesn't mean they are animals. Get your shit straight.Don't mistake me for defending insurgents, terrorists, and extremists. I hate 'em all. But ignorant ass statements like yours is representative of the attitude that is part of the reason we aren't effectively fighting them. Also, I think scott has more to say than you, considering he was actually in Iraq and you were not. Obviously if he says something you don't agree with, he's automatically an idiot. Have some respect. Where you from anyway? Snacksville? OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. I'm happy he's dead by the way.

Snacks

12-29-2006, 10:06 PM

CofyCrakCocaine wrote: These people are all savages, he did what savages do. They are not Americans and do not handle disagreemnets the way civilized people do thats were all the vilolence came from then and now. I really don't like you right now. Your arguments in this paragraph are unbalanced bigotry and irrational judgement rather than valid legitimate points. They're all savages? That's real understanding and intelligent, if understanding and intelligence was measured in bullshit. They're not Americans and they use guns so they must be savages, huh. We should deal with savages like we dealt with the original savages over at Wounded Knee, right? Cuz that's what Americans do! Are there alot of savages there? Yes. Are they all from Iraq? No. Lots of them are from Iran, others from Syria, Jordan, even the UAE I am sure. But they do not represent the whole population, and just because a person is from the Middle East does not mean he is automatically given to torture, genocide, mass amputations for shits and giggles, and so on. Look at the leadership in Jordan, if you want a nice counter-example to that argument. Look at King Faisel if you want to keep it to Iraq. This doesn't mean I don't think terrorists should be dealt with brutally. I think the Taliban and Al Qaeda factions hiding out in Northern Pakistan should be firebombed en masse without hesitation. But I don't think this while also profiling the entire Arabic race as just backwards savages. They have lots of problems with their societies, and they are in conflict with our own, but that doesn't mean they are animals. Get your shit straight.Don't mistake me for defending insurgents, terrorists, and extremists. I hate 'em all. But ignorant ass statements like yours is representative of the attitude that is part of the reason we aren't effectively fighting them. Also, I think scott has more to say than you, considering he was actually in Iraq and you were not. Obviously if he says something you don't agree with, he's automatically an idiot. Have some respect. Where you from anyway? Snacksville? OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. I'm happy he's dead by the way. never said all people from the middle east I was talkig about Iraq's. I mean these people, meaning those people who cant be rational. Those people who only think killing and torture is the way to handle things. The whole divide with Iraq is religion. kurds, sunni and shiates all having their beliefs and not findng a civil middle ground.Do I think allpeople from the middle east are savages? no fucking way. Do I think their approach to handling things is savage 90% of the time yes. Car bombings, muerder/suicide, killing babies, torture, etc that is what savages do. This has nothing to do with race it has to do with using your brains and deciding how to get your point accross without killing yourself and 100 other people.

Doctor Z

12-29-2006, 10:10 PM

I hate to divert from the topic, but Snacks, your Wendy's 8-patty burger sig has me starvin'... Thanks a lot.

Snacks

12-29-2006, 10:16 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: I hate to divert from the topic, but Snacks, your Wendy's 8-patty burger sig has me starvin'... Thanks a lot. sorry to make you hungry, wait 1 secondEarl, do you have any 8 burger wendy cheeseburgers back there???Sorry Z they are all out!!!

PapaBear

12-29-2006, 10:20 PM

I haven't read anything from this thread.That said... I'm finding it hard to really give a damn, one way or the other, that Saddam is dead. He was a VERY bad guy, but I don't see how this really changes anything. We'll see, I guess.

dotsncoms

12-29-2006, 10:23 PM

don't read it it's just pro war vs anti war

reeshy

12-29-2006, 10:25 PM

Dotscom...stop insulting our troops......oh yea....fucking die asshole!!!!!!!!1

CofyCrakCocaine

12-29-2006, 10:34 PM

I'm all for peace on earth, even if it's likely to never happen. But this thread has definately generated some dumb statements. Dotsncoms doesn't strike me as a potent arguer. While I think he touches on some good topics, he doesn't do it very well. And he doesn't seem to know how to read an argument and realize there's more than black and white in these posts. 'It's just pro war and anti war' etc. is an example of a guy who doesn't really read anybody else's posts.

Duke

12-30-2006, 02:53 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/duke799/Saddam_hanged_graphic.jpgwikipedia never fails...thats seconds before saddam was hung...supposley

This message was edited by Duke on 12-30-06 @ 6:55 AM

MadBiker

12-30-2006, 03:21 AM

PapaBear wrote: I haven't read anything from this thread.That said... I'm finding it hard to really give a damn, one way or the other, that Saddam is dead. He was a VERY bad guy, but I don't see how this really changes anything. We'll see, I guess.well, PapaBear, there is the threat of escalating violence or extreme retaliation over his death. Of course, that threat has been looming since he was taken into custody.It is better that he is dead now for one trial versus hanging around (pardon the pun) for more trials and remaining alive for years, and potentially becoming politically viable to a faction that matters down the road, a faction with the money and the firepower to oust occupation and reinstate Saddam.The questions of "what are we doing in Iraq" and "why are we there" are moot at this point. We have become involved in the political and civil doings of a sovereign nation that is struggling to find a place from whence it can become a player in the global economy and find peace. Yes, I REALLY BELIEVE THIS. I beleive that any nation can become a viable trade partner with other nations around the world and bring a higher standard of living and education to its citizens. In fact, improved economic opportunities for Iraqis may be the only thing that improves the situation in the long run. When you are not starving and have electricity, water, and schools, you are less apt to aggress against your neighbors (whether they be the guy living next door to you or the country(ies) that border(s) you.

sr71blackbird

12-30-2006, 05:26 AM

Thats a very good point. 

Reephdweller

12-30-2006, 05:37 AM

Iraqi TV video of Saddam's body<a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b3a00b5684">http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b3a00b5684</a>

Havoc

12-30-2006, 05:51 AM

i completely agree that he was terrible and that he probably deserved to die. the only problem i have is that his conviction was way too quick and the trial was unfair. you guys can easily look up information on how the trial was unfair and there are many but the big thing is that 3 of his defense lawyers turned up dead. with that and various judges being removed they should have never given him the death sentence.

sr71blackbird

12-30-2006, 06:09 AM

<img src="http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20061230/capt.sge.ehf16.301206123134.photo00.photo.default-512x299.jpg?x=380&y=222&sig=bVH6SbF5xmsEtvy6tgAXEQ--" border="0" width="298" height="183" /> Goodnight evil man

angelinad128

12-30-2006, 06:31 AM

Reefdweller wrote: Iraqi TV video of Saddam's body<a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b3a00b5684">http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b3a00b5684</a>It's been removed <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/sad.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" />I really wanted to seeit. I haven't found any real footage of it yet. I don't want to see him geting into position, I want to see the actual hanging.

LordJezo

12-30-2006, 06:36 AM

<a href="http://www.myzine.com/play.php?pid=6493&Saddam%20Hussein%20Execution">Here's the best I can do. It goes up to the part where he gets dropped. </a> It seems like CNN censored the video for everyone, all of the clips end at the same spot.  Then there are videos of his dead body but not of the actual hanging. 

This message was edited by LordJezo on 12-30-06 @ 11:02 AM

sailor

12-30-2006, 07:08 AM

angelinad128 wrote: Reefdweller wrote: Iraqi TV video of Saddam's body<a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b3a00b5684">http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b3a00b5684</a>It's been removed <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/sad.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" />I really wanted to seeit. I haven't found any real footage of it yet. I don't want to see him geting into position, I want to see the actual hanging. i can't imagine why. my wife watched last night for them to show it. i think it's very morbid and sick to want to watch, but what do i know. like i askedher, what will you gain by it? you know if happened, you kind of have a clue what it will look like, why do you need to actually see it.and for the lordjezo who had the video up to the gallows, cnn and fox news were saying there were two videos one up to the gallows and a 2nd one after that. it wasn't censored, it's just a separate video you need to find. you sick bastards. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> edit: added lordjezo's name. 

This message was edited by sailor on 12-30-06 @ 11:09 AM

BLZBUBBA

12-30-2006, 07:15 AM

Does anyone remember when Israel bombed the nuclear facility Saddam was building back in the 80s?  Does anyone remember how pissed off OUR GOVERNMENT was AT ISRAEL for doing so?  Saddam was one of our allies.  And you guys are wet over his death?  Is anyone aware of how Saddam came to power?  Are you aware of how many of his opposition were literally hanging from street lamps? And we were allies AFTER all of that.    C'mon.  Not one tear for Saddam? Look at it this way.  He was sitting in the middle of oil.  Had he not been doing so and had he not attacked Kuwait we wouldn't have even bothered with him.  We supported him when he fought Iran.  Saddam=waged war with Iran for years.  bin laden=fought the Russians in Afghanistan.  Marcos=US military base.  Pinochet=Stepped in when a leftist but duly elected Chilean leader was dispatched (some say with help from a certain country who shall remain nameless...wink wink).  They all were allies.  They were assholes but suited our needs.  C'mon.  Not a single tear for Saddam?  He only lost favor with us because he attacked Kuwait.  If not for that I'm betting we'd still be buddies.  REMEMBER:  He was an asshole long before we were allies.  I think he's almost a victim himself.  Kinda like a family pet that gets worked up and bites someone.  One minute...he's a friend.  The next?  He's a deranged killer,  A HITLER EVEN,   that must be destroyed.  Well I'm not going to let the good he did go without thanks.  Saddam.  Wherever you are.  I'm betting it's kinda hot (probably not much hotter than Iraq though).  With our support you waged war with Iran for years.  Iranian cleric leaders are real assholes.  You fought with them for years and years.  Millions of Iranians were killed.  Thanks bro. Now surf that lake-o-fire like a champ.

Zorro

12-30-2006, 07:28 AM

Fox News Alert11:28am Saddam Still Dead

Kevin

12-30-2006, 09:32 AM

Even though i am glad he is dead and he was an awful person. I still could not help feeling bad for him on that video taking that final walk. I will never get used to shit like that. I do not know if it was how homely he looked with the beard and the fear on his face, but i kinda felt bad for him. But that saying. As an Albanian i could see why they celabration. If i got the chance to see Milosovic hanged like that, i would be celabrating too.

This message was edited by Kevin on 12-30-06 @ 1:34 PM

Gvac

12-30-2006, 09:35 AM

I miss him already.

King Imp

12-30-2006, 11:16 AM

People do realize he was tried in an Iraqi court and killed by the Iraqis, right? I just love reading how we killed him.

HBox

12-30-2006, 11:22 AM

King Imp wrote: People do realize he was tried in an Iraqi court and killed by the Iraqis, right? I just love reading how we killed him.  You're serious, aren't you?

epo

12-30-2006, 11:28 AM

HBox wrote: King Imp wrote: People do realize he was tried in an Iraqi court and killed by the Iraqis, right? I just love reading how we killed him.  You're serious, aren't you?Unfortunately he appears to be.

King Imp

12-30-2006, 11:30 AM

Sorry if I don't blindly subscribe to the "W. did it for his daddy" theory. Oh, by the way, I heard we are in Iraq for the oil as well.

HBox

12-30-2006, 11:34 AM

King Imp wrote: Sorry if I don't blindly subscribe to the "W. did it for his daddy" theory. Oh, by the way, I heard we are in Iraq for the oil as well.  Yeah, that's exactly what I think. Boy, you got me nailed. You must have ESP or something.

pennington

12-30-2006, 11:40 AM

BLZBUBBA wrote: Does anyone remember when Israel bombed the nuclear facility Saddam was building back in the 80s?  Does anyone remember how pissed off OUR GOVERNMENT was AT ISRAEL for doing so?  Saddam was one of our allies.  And you guys are wet over his death?  Is anyone aware of how Saddam came to power?  Are you aware of how many of his opposition were literally hanging from street lamps? And we were allies AFTER all of that.    Regardless of the press releases at the time, Israel had U.S. approval when they bombed that nuclear facility.The U.S. was an ally with Stalin during WWII, then an enemy after. The U.S. was an enemy of Japan, then an ally. It has been this way since one group of cavemen joined forces with another group of cavemen.Saddam has no one to blame but himself. I read that a lot of people in Iraq were convinced he would come back to power and the tortures and murders would start again. We know that's not going to happen.The world is a better place today.

epo

12-30-2006, 11:41 AM

King Imp wrote: Sorry if I don't blindly subscribe to the "W. did it for his daddy" theory. Oh, by the way, I heard we are in Iraq for the oil as well.  Wouldn't the bigger question be: Why are we guessing theories as to why we are in Iraq 3+years after we first went there?  A little transparency would be nice.

Jujubees2

12-30-2006, 11:48 AM

pennington wrote: BLZBUBBA wrote: Does anyone remember when Israel bombed the nuclear facility Saddam was building back in the 80s?  Does anyone remember how pissed off OUR GOVERNMENT was AT ISRAEL for doing so?  Saddam was one of our allies.  And you guys are wet over his death?  Is anyone aware of how Saddam came to power?  Are you aware of how many of his opposition were literally hanging from street lamps? And we were allies AFTER all of that.    Regardless of the press releases at the time, Israel had U.S. approval when they bombed that nuclear facility.The U.S. was an ally with Stalin during WWII, then an enemy after. The U.S. was an enemy of Japan, then an ally. It has been this way since one group of cavemen joined forces with another group of cavemen.Saddam has no one to blame but himself. I read that a lot of people in Iraq were convinced he would come back to power and the tortures and murders would start again. We know that's not going to happen.The world is a better place today. Is it really?  Is it any better than yesterday?  Killing Saddam does nothing to make the world a better or safer place.  He's been been locked up for the past three years and was going nowhere.  Yes, he was a brutal dictator but what separates him from China's Hu Jintao or North Korea's Kim Jong-il (who has nukes)?

narc

12-30-2006, 11:55 AM

dotsncoms wrote: everyones child is going to pay for the bush administration thats all I was saying and you can't handle the truth! Narc. Your 100 hundred year war cite is here <a href="http://www.washtimes.com/national/20061213-010657-5560r.htm" target="blank">100 year war</a> This message was edited by dotsncoms on 12-30-06 @ 8:45 AM Uh....did you actually READ that article? I'm not sure if you know this, but the Washington Times is a conservative publication. That having been said, the article isn't the greatest and you completely twisted the meaning around. The crux of the article is not that Bush has gotten us involved in a 100 year war. It's that "muslim extremists" have been gaining such power that fighting them would be a 100 year war. And by the way, only the paper says 100 year. The general actually said 40 years - or something similar to the Cold War. If you want to look at it this way - if you go back to the late 70s when the Shah fell and a few years later when the Marines got blown up in Lebanon, this has already been a war fought by fathers and sons - and it has little to do with Bush.

pennington

12-30-2006, 12:13 PM

Jujubees2 wrote: Yes, he was a brutal dictator but what separates him from China's Hu Jintao or North Korea's Kim Jong-il (who has nukes)?The world would be a better place without Kim Jong-il too.  It's like saying you shouldn't take a rapist, murderer, whatever, off the street of a city because there are still others.

HBox

12-30-2006, 12:17 PM

pennington wrote: BLZBUBBA wrote: Does anyone remember when Israel bombed the nuclear facility Saddam was building back in the 80s? Does anyone remember how pissed off OUR GOVERNMENT was AT ISRAEL for doing so? Saddam was one of our allies. And you guys are wet over his death? Is anyone aware of how Saddam came to power? Are you aware of how many of his opposition were literally hanging from street lamps? And we were allies AFTER all of that. Regardless of the press releases at the time, Israel had U.S. approval when they bombed that nuclear facility.The U.S. was an ally with Stalin during WWII, then an enemy after. The U.S. was an enemy of Japan, then an ally. It has been this way since one group of cavemen joined forces with another group of cavemen.Saddam has no one to blame but himself. I read that a lot of people in Iraq were convinced he would come back to power and the tortures and murders would start again. We know that's not going to happen.The world is a better place today. They said that when he was removed from power. They said that when he was in hiding. They said that when we captured him. They said that when we put him on trial. They said that when we convicted him. And they are saying that now.And somehow it isn't.

Jujubees2

12-30-2006, 12:20 PM

pennington wrote: Jujubees2 wrote: Yes, he was a brutal dictator but what separates him from China's Hu Jintao or North Korea's Kim Jong-il (who has nukes)?The world would be a better place without Kim Jong-il too.  It's like saying you shouldn't take a rapist, murderer, whatever, off the street of a city because there are still others.Not my point at all. I was just pointing out that we (meaning the noecons) conveniently chose one brutal dictator to take out and are leaving others to run free.  Why was Saddam so important when he had virtually no power outside his country as opposed to China (or should I say Wal Mart East?) or North Korea (with the nukes)?

jstalin

12-30-2006, 12:23 PM

I am glad he dead! but  His death will not do any good for the world. In 50 years  the history books will say his death set off a chain of events leading to www3! 

led37zep

12-30-2006, 12:37 PM

I miss Dictator Saddam...he was the coolest.

Doctor Z

12-30-2006, 01:08 PM

I miss beardless Saddam.

Kevin

12-30-2006, 01:10 PM

I miss soundboard Saddam.

FUNKMAN

12-30-2006, 01:23 PM

i miss Saddam and Gamorah...

FUNKMAN

12-30-2006, 01:25 PM

i miss playing hide the saddami

TooLowBrow

12-30-2006, 01:34 PM

I miss Saddam Look-Alikes

timhorton

12-30-2006, 01:42 PM

Saddami and cheese please!!

PapaBear

12-30-2006, 01:45 PM

He was Saddam...                                                                   ugly.Sorry I left you hangin'.

HBox

12-30-2006, 01:46 PM

I miss Saddam and Gomorah.

ChrisTheCop

12-30-2006, 02:05 PM

Hbox missed Sadaam and Gamorah....by about 20 minutes.

HBox

12-30-2006, 02:22 PM

.........................Damn it.

Friday

12-30-2006, 03:11 PM

I miss practicing SaddamMasochismok that works better in my head.... lol

FUNKMAN

12-30-2006, 03:27 PM

killing saddam makes me damsad...

scottinnj

12-30-2006, 03:43 PM

HBox wrote: King Imp wrote: Sorry if I don't blindly subscribe to the "W. did it for his daddy" theory. Oh, by the way, I heard we are in Iraq for the oil as well.  Yeah, that's exactly what I think. Boy, you got me nailed. You must have ESP or something. how about some ESD?  FACE! FACE!

Snacks

12-30-2006, 04:32 PM

pennington wrote: BLZBUBBA wrote: Does anyone remember when Israel bombed the nuclear facility Saddam was building back in the 80s?  Does anyone remember how pissed off OUR GOVERNMENT was AT ISRAEL for doing so?  Saddam was one of our allies.  And you guys are wet over his death?  Is anyone aware of how Saddam came to power?  Are you aware of how many of his opposition were literally hanging from street lamps? And we were allies AFTER all of that.    Regardless of the press releases at the time, Israel had U.S. approval when they bombed that nuclear facility.The U.S. was an ally with Stalin during WWII, then an enemy after. The U.S. was an enemy of Japan, then an ally. It has been this way since one group of cavemen joined forces with another group of cavemen.Saddam has no one to blame but himself. I read that a lot of people in Iraq were convinced he would come back to power and the tortures and murders would start again. We know that's not going to happen.The world is a better place today. I  agree he was an evil bad man, but do you really think the world is a better place? Think about this, most of the world hates us now and think Bush is the Devil. Some here in America feel this way too. Do you think Bush should be tried and killed the same way do you think the world would be a better place with him dead? You should b/c he is thought about that way by most of the world.I dont see thinks so black and white. There are a lot of fucked up leaders and dicatators. We have one ourself. But just like Bush, Sadam was elected his own coutry should have over taken him. They didnt rise up, they didnt ask for our help. We decided to invade Iraq for our reasons. The UN never approved of this and we told the UN to go fuck themselves we were going to do this reagardless. Thats why most of the world didnt help us and now see us as evil. Do I think we are evil no, but I do think we force and bully our views on other nations only to benifit us.

Snacks

12-30-2006, 04:36 PM

Jujubees2 wrote: pennington wrote: Jujubees2 wrote: Yes, he was a brutal dictator but what separates him from China's Hu Jintao or North Korea's Kim Jong-il (who has nukes)?The world would be a better place without Kim Jong-il too.  It's like saying you shouldn't take a rapist, murderer, whatever, off the street of a city because there are still others.Not my point at all. I was just pointing out that we (meaning the noecons) conveniently chose one brutal dictator to take out and are leaving others to run free.  Why was Saddam so important when he had virtually no power outside his country as opposed to China (or should I say Wal Mart East?) or North Korea (with the nukes)?ju agree 100% with you. The reason is China doesnt need us, we need china more the china needs us. They have so much technology and product to offer the world that losing us would hurt, but it would hurt us even more. Now Irag in central in the middle east with us having our mark and trying to have more control over the middle eastern countries we then control the oil. We need oil just as much of not more as we need  oil but the middle easterners need our technology and are also small countries that fight amongst themselves, with us they get more. China doest need anyone.

Havoc

12-30-2006, 06:06 PM

good article to readRobert Fisk's article in today's Independent (London)http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article2112555.ece   Robert Fisk: A dictator created then destroyed by America Published: 30 December 2006 Saddam to the gallows. It was an easy equation. Who could be more deserving of that last walk to the scaffold - that crack of the neck at the end of a rope - than the Beast of Baghdad, the Hitler of the Tigris, the man who murdered untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis while spraying chemical weapons over his enemies? Our masters will tell us in a few hours that it is a "great day" for Iraqis and will hope that the Muslim world will forget that his death sentence was signed - by the Iraqi "government", but on behalf of the Americans - on the very eve of the Eid al-Adha, the Feast of the Sacrifice, the moment of greatest forgiveness in the Arab world. But history will record that the Arabs and other Muslims and, indeed, many millions in the West, will ask another question this weekend, a question that will not be posed in other Western newspapers because it is not the narrative laid down for us by our presidents and prime ministers - what about the other guilty men? No, Tony Blair is not Saddam. We don't gas our enemies. George W Bush is not Saddam. He didn't invade Iran or Kuwait. He only invaded Iraq. But hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians are dead - and thousands of Western troops are dead - because Messrs Bush and Blair and the Spanish Prime Minister and the Italian Prime Minister and the Australian Prime Minister went to war in 2003 on a potage of lies and mendacity and, given the weapons we used, with great brutality. In the aftermath of the international crimes against humanity of 2001 we have tortured, we have murdered, we have brutalised and killed the innocent - we have even added our shame at Abu Ghraib to Saddam's shame at Abu Ghraib - and yet we are supposed to forget these terrible crimes as we applaud the swinging corpse of the dictator we created. Who encouraged Saddam to invade Iran in 1980, which was the greatest war crime he has committed for it led to the deaths of a million and a half souls? And who sold him the components for the chemical weapons with which he drenched Iran and the Kurds? We did. No wonder the Americans, who controlled Saddam's weird trial, forbad any mention of this, his most obscene atrocity, in the charges against him. Could he not have been handed over to the Iranians for sentencing for this massive war crime? Of course not. Because that would also expose our culpability. And the mass killings we perpetrated in 2003 with our depleted uranium shells and our "bunker buster" bombs and our phosphorous, the murderous post-invasion sieges of Fallujah and Najaf, the hell-disaster of anarchy we unleashed on the Iraqi population in the aftermath of our "victory" - our "mission accomplished" - who will be found guilty of this? Such expiation as we might expect will come, no doubt, in the self-serving memoirs of Blair and Bush, written in comfortable and wealthy retirement. Hours before Saddam's death sentence, his family - his first wife, Sajida, and Saddam's daughter and their other relatives - had given up hope. "Whatever could be done has been done - we can only wait for time to take its course," one of them said last night. But Saddam knew, and had already announced his own "martyrdom": he was still the president of Iraq and he would die for Iraq. All condemned men face a decision: to die with a last, grovelling plea for mercy or to die with whatever dignity they can wrap around themselves in their last hours on earth. His last trial appearance - that wan smile that spread over the mass-murderer's face - showed us which path Saddam intended to wa

Reephdweller

12-30-2006, 06:45 PM

Saddam being hanged video recorded on a cellphone. The video is herky jerky but interesting no less...You also get a close up of Saddam after his body drops.<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521</a>

TooLowBrow

12-30-2006, 07:09 PM

I miss the Saddam-Mississippi river

Kevin

12-30-2006, 07:11 PM

I miss crazy cross eyed pointing Saddam  <img src="http://www.warinformation.com/images/Hussein_pointing_court.jpg" border="0" width="270" height="388" />

Dirtybird12

12-30-2006, 07:46 PM

bastards.  u killed an innocent man.  god is great!

zildjian361

12-30-2006, 07:55 PM

END OF STORY

mexicanshoe

12-30-2006, 08:00 PM

here's to you saddam...i'll see u in hell.

MessageBoardRon

12-30-2006, 08:52 PM

Ok, sorry first post...Saddam buried 300,000 people in the ground.  Not debatable.  I'm in the Army full time and have done the listen to the O&A show forever and got turned into Ron and Fez after the XM hook up.  And I'll say it R&F are what I listen too  "Hairy Elvis the Comic who only tells Jokes About Pants", damn is that funny... I'll do the honest thing....I listen to O&A to hear Anthony, Opie just is not funny and Jimmy...stop it already....in rehab at 17 because you were drunk and were walking down the street with a knife in your hand...no you were a teenager, a adosen..I can' spell it but you were it...if that is your story screw...NOt that I'm insulting your problem but stop claiming it...you, sir, are a...pho...Fake....another thing,,,,,bill burr I love him...or I did until he got the balls as a Comic?, on his Saturday night show to call guys in the Navy pussies and his co-host stating AA is for pussies as well..  We listened to you guys while we were in Iraq..Questions...Why have O or A  not called Jimmy out on his claims, friendship,? ........Why has Ron not either.?..I don't know..Probally experiance both in ...whatever.....WHy is Fez cute,.... and if all the shows are going to be honest.... when... And I'm sorry for this post....drunk and I wish you knew how long it took me to type this and fix the mistakes.......not as drunk to think that when you all read all of this your going to "dig" what I wrote...but then again I'm 29 and I used the slang term "dig"...groovy.... anyway this should sum it up......I am a Grateful Dead Fan and I Hate Black Sabbath.. Not So much as I hate them as I like them but I wont compare them..... ............P.S.....how did I do?.........................

Snacks

12-30-2006, 11:45 PM

[quote]Havoc wrote: good article to readRobert Fisk's article in today's Independent (London)http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article2112555.ece  Robert Fisk: A dictator created then destroyed by America Published: 30 December 2006 Saddam to the gallows. It was an easy equation. Who could be more deserving of that last walk to the scaffold - that crack of the neck at the end of a rope - than the Beast of Baghdad, the Hitler of the Tigris, the man who murdered untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis while spraying chemical weapons over his enemies? Our masters will tell us in a few hours that it is a "great day" for Iraqis and will hope that the Muslim world will forget that his death sentence was signed - by the Iraqi "government", but on behalf of the Americans - on the very eve of the Eid al-Adha, the Feast of the Sacrifice, the moment of greatest forgiveness in the Arab world. But history will record that the Arabs and other Muslims and, indeed, many millions in the West, will ask another question this weekend, a question that will not be posed in other Western newspapers because it is not the narrative laid down for us by our presidents and prime ministers - what about the other guilty men? No, Tony Blair is not Saddam. We don't gas our enemies. George W Bush is not Saddam. He didn't invade Iran or Kuwait. He only invaded Iraq. But hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians are dead - and thousands of Western troops are dead - because Messrs Bush and Blair and the Spanish Prime Minister and the Italian Prime Minister and the Australian Prime Minister went to war in 2003 on a potage of lies and mendacity and, given the weapons we used, with great brutality. In the aftermath of the international crimes against humanity of 2001 we have tortured, we have murdered, we have brutalised and killed the innocent - we have even added our shame at Abu Ghraib to Saddam's shame at Abu Ghraib - and yet we are supposed to forget these terrible crimes as we applaud the swinging corpse of the dictator we created. Who encouraged Saddam to invade Iran in 1980, which was the greatest war crime he has committed for it led to the deaths of a million and a half souls? And who sold him the components for the chemical weapons with which he drenched Iran and the Kurds? We did. No wonder the Americans, who controlled Saddam's weird trial, forbad any mention of this, his most obscene atrocity, in the charges against him. Could he not have been handed over to the Iranians for sentencing for this massive war crime? Of course not. Because that would also expose our culpability. And the mass killings we perpetrated in 2003 with our depleted uranium shells and our "bunker buster" bombs and our phosphorous, the murderous post-invasion sieges of Fallujah and Najaf, the hell-disaster of anarchy we unleashed on the Iraqi population in the aftermath of our "victory" - our "mission accomplished" - who will be found guilty of this? Such expiation as we might expect will come, no doubt, in the self-serving memoirs of Blair and Bush, written in comfortable and wealthy retirement. Hours before Saddam's death sentence, his family - his first wife, Sajida, and Saddam's daughter and their other relatives - had given up hope. "Whatever could be done has been done - we can only wait for time to take its course," one of them said last night. But Saddam knew, and had already announced his own "martyrdom": he was still the president of Iraq and he would die for Iraq. All condemned men face a decision: to die with a last, grovelling plea for mercy or to die with whatever dignity they can wrap around themselves in their last hours on earth. His last trial appearance - that wan smile that spread over the mass-murderer's face - showed

keithy_19

12-30-2006, 11:50 PM

jstalin wrote: I am glad he dead! but  His death will not do any good for the world. In 50 years  the history books will say his death set off a chain of events leading to www3!  If his hanging leads to ww3 then they'll be no history books.

keithy_19

12-30-2006, 11:56 PM

I watched the video of him being hung that was recorded with a cell phone. I hate to say it, the video actually kind of upset me. True, Saddam was a horrible man, and he did serve to die for what he did. But, there's a certain likeability to the guy. Like many have pointed out, he was the USA's dictator. He was pretty much made into a cartoon villain. Something in the way he looked before he died bothered me. I guess, since he didn't affect me at all with his actions, as selfish as that sounds, it was sad to see the look on his face ebfore they dropped the floor. Now, if we had gotten to Hitler, or if we ever catch Osama, I would/will gladly watch the man be tortured and won't have any negative feeligns about it whatsoever.

PapaBear

12-31-2006, 12:13 AM

I can think of multiple reasons to kill a person, and feel justified. I just don't understand what purpose an execution holds.

FezPaul

12-31-2006, 01:00 AM

PapaBear wrote: I can think of multiple reasons to kill a person, and feel justified. I just don't understand what purpose an execution holds.The recidivism rate of executed criminals is almost 0%.

cougarjake13

12-31-2006, 07:59 AM

will south park still use saddam or just abandon it

angelinad128

12-31-2006, 08:18 AM

I'd like to know what phone he has. My phone only records 15 seconds of video.

epo

12-31-2006, 09:06 AM

keithy_19 wrote: I watched the video of him being hung that was recorded with a cell phone. I hate to say it, the video actually kind of upset me. True, Saddam was a horrible man, and he did serve to die for what he did. But, there's a certain likeability to the guy. Like many have pointed out, he was the USA's dictator. He was pretty much made into a cartoon villain. Something in the way he looked before he died bothered me. I guess, since he didn't affect me at all with his actions, as selfish as that sounds, it was sad to see the look on his face ebfore they dropped the floor. Now, if we had gotten to Hitler, or if we ever catch Osama, I would/will gladly watch the man be tortured and won't have any negative feeligns about it whatsoever.Don't feel bad Keithy.  I was physically ill after watching the video.  It really is a disturbing thing.

Snacks

12-31-2006, 11:32 AM

angelinad128 wrote: I'd like to know what phone he has. My phone only records 15 seconds of video. he has a better phone then you!!! <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/annoyed.gif" border="0" width="18" height="18" /> My cell will record video for the full amount of memory left on the phone. I have 2gb memory on my phone so I think I could record 90 minutes straight without stopping.

DJEvelEd

12-31-2006, 12:03 PM

I bet George Bush had someone filming it so he could have real proof he's dead. That cellphone video is inconclusive.People like me who are anti-death penalty don't suppport the criminals. We just feel that two wrongs don't make a right. Killing people makes us as bad as the criminals. You can't kill your way to peace.An eye for an eye and soon the world will be blind.

Jujubees2

12-31-2006, 12:13 PM

FezPaul wrote: PapaBear wrote: I can think of multiple reasons to kill a person, and feel justified. I just don't understand what purpose an execution holds.The recidivism rate of executed criminals is almost 0%.So is the rate for criminals who get life without parole.  And if you make a mistake, the person is still around to correct that mistake.

Zorro

12-31-2006, 12:21 PM

jstalin wrote: I am glad he dead! but  His death will not do any good for the world. In 50 years  the history books will say his death set off a chain of events leading to www3!  WWIII began before Saddam was executed

Don Stugots

12-31-2006, 12:22 PM

Saddam is dead?  i didnt even know he was sick.   God's speed Mr. Saddam, God's speed.

reeshy

12-31-2006, 12:37 PM

Who the fuck is Saddam??????????

Don Stugots

12-31-2006, 12:38 PM

maybe Saddam is a "what" and not a "who."

angelinad128

12-31-2006, 01:47 PM

Snacks wrote: angelinad128 wrote: I'd like to know what phone he has. My phone only records 15 seconds of video. he has a better phone then you!!! <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/annoyed.gif" border="0" width="18" height="18" /> My cell will record video for the full amount of memory left on the phone. I have 2gb memory on my phone so I think I could record 90 minutes straight without stopping.Mine is a Samsung MP3 phone but it is about a year old.  The video feature isn't that important.  I still love the phone so I'm not getting a new one any time soon.

FUNKMAN

12-31-2006, 01:52 PM

ding dong the bitch is dead, ding dong the wicked bitch is dead

reeshy

12-31-2006, 02:05 PM

Who's got the video....EDIT: I agree w/ Matty. 

This message was edited by Fallon on 12-31-06 @ 6:18 PM

Tenbatsuzen

12-31-2006, 02:10 PM

reeshy wrote: Who's got the video....I wanna see that sand nigger dance!!!!!!!!! Hey Reesh? No offense, but don't say shit like this.

TheMojoPin

12-31-2006, 02:24 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: reeshy wrote: Who's got the video....I wanna see that sand nigger dance!!!!!!!!!  Hey Reesh? No offense, but don't say shit like this.  Agreed.

reeshy

12-31-2006, 02:26 PM

Ok you're right Mojo....I won't anymore....tenbats.....go fuck yourself!!!

TheMojoPin

12-31-2006, 02:31 PM

reeshy wrote: Ok you're right Mojo....I won't anymore....tenbats.....go fuck yourself!!! Come on, man.  What did he say to deserve that?