R&F XM Listening Thread For 1/22/07 [Archive] - Page 2?login=1

johnniewalker

01-22-2007, 10:42 AM

TheGameHHH wrote: sailor wrote: JustJon wrote: EliSnow wrote: sailor wrote: they broke the law with their intent. like if you try to buy pot from an undercover agent and it's just oregano. you still broke the law, because you THOUGHT you were committing the crime. This message was edited by sailor on 1-22-07 @ 2:31 PM It's like I recently read in my bar examination materials, you can't break the law with the intent. Your example is also faulty, becuase you can't break the law unless you are buying cocaine. If you are buying oregano, it's not a crime. Who would mistake oregano for cocaine? powdered white oregano. pricey shit. oregano has an odor, you can tell right away it isnt coke I love the smell of coke.

TheGameHHH

01-22-2007, 10:43 AM

Gaia wrote: Drugs I havent taken 101: I have always wondered about angel dust. Isn't angel dust a form of speed? I also didnt know it had to be "stored properly". Anyone care to enlighten me? email the great Mr. B cause thats the first i heard about it needing to be stored properly

wkj

01-22-2007, 10:43 AM

TheGameHHH wrote: is it just me or does anybody else not believe a legal word that comes out of a southerners mouth? they just sound so dumb, like they have no concept of the law whatsoever. I'd like to think you are not referring to my post.

MasterSoySauce

01-22-2007, 10:44 AM

EliSnow wrote: JustJon wrote: EliSnow wrote: sailor wrote: they broke the law with their intent.  like if you try to buy pot from an undercover agent and it's just oregano.  you still broke the law, because you THOUGHT you were committing the crime. This message was edited by sailor on 1-22-07 @ 2:31 PM It's like I recently read in my bar examination materials, you can't break the law with the intent.  Your example is also faulty, becuase you can't break the law unless you are buying cocaine.  If you are buying oregano, it's not a crime. Who would mistake oregano for cocaine?My mistake in reading the original post.Also, with regard to police stings, the charge they probably get nailed with is attempt, but not the actual crime.  The one caller is right : Any crime requires a guilty act with a guilty mind (unless it's a strict liability crime like statutory rape).  Unless the act violates the law, the intent does not create a crime.  You could have attempt.wait so if you go to buy drugs and its not actually a drug and its a cop and you dont actually buy it how is it a crime?

sailor

01-22-2007, 10:44 AM

EliSnow wrote: JustJon wrote: EliSnow wrote: sailor wrote: they broke the law with their intent. like if you try to buy pot from an undercover agent and it's just oregano. you still broke the law, because you THOUGHT you were committing the crime. This message was edited by sailor on 1-22-07 @ 2:31 PM It's like I recently read in my bar examination materials, you can't break the law with the intent. Your example is also faulty, becuase you can't break the law unless you are buying cocaine. If you are buying oregano, it's not a crime. Who would mistake oregano for cocaine?My mistake in reading the original post.Also, with regard to police stings, the charge they probably get nailed with is attempt, but not the actual crime. The one caller is right : Any crime requires a guilty act with a guilty mind (unless it's a strict liability crime like statutory rape). Unless the act violates the law, the intent does not create a crime. You could have attempt. your fancy lawyer-talk hurts my simple brain.

TheGameHHH

01-22-2007, 10:44 AM

wkj wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: is it just me or does anybody else not believe a legal word that comes out of a southerners mouth? they just sound so dumb, like they have no concept of the law whatsoever. I'd like to think you are not referring to my post. im referring to the callers, i cant really tell if youre southern by your post

EliSnow

01-22-2007, 10:45 AM

sailor wrote: EliSnow wrote: EliSnow wrote: sailor wrote: they broke the law with their intent. like if you try to buy pot from an undercover agent and it's just oregano. you still broke the law, because you THOUGHT you were committing the crime. This message was edited by sailor on 1-22-07 @ 2:31 PM It's like I recently read in my bar examination materials, you can't break the law with the intent. Your example is also faulty, becuase you can't break the law unless you are buying cocaine. If you are buying oregano, it's not a crime. Edit: In your example, you could be busted for an attempt to purchase drugs, but you can't be busted for purchasing drugs.  um, that was like my point.  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" width="15" height="15" /> But attempt is not the same as the actual crime.  Much lesser penalties etc.

TheGameHHH

01-22-2007, 10:45 AM

EliSnow

01-22-2007, 10:46 AM

sailor wrote: EliSnow wrote: JustJon wrote: EliSnow wrote: sailor wrote: they broke the law with their intent. like if you try to buy pot from an undercover agent and it's just oregano. you still broke the law, because you THOUGHT you were committing the crime. This message was edited by sailor on 1-22-07 @ 2:31 PM It's like I recently read in my bar examination materials, you can't break the law with the intent. Your example is also faulty, becuase you can't break the law unless you are buying cocaine. If you are buying oregano, it's not a crime. Who would mistake oregano for cocaine?My mistake in reading the original post.Also, with regard to police stings, the charge they probably get nailed with is attempt, but not the actual crime. The one caller is right : Any crime requires a guilty act with a guilty mind (unless it's a strict liability crime like statutory rape). Unless the act violates the law, the intent does not create a crime. You could have attempt. your fancy lawyer-talk hurts my simple brain. Shit, I didn't even use the latin words for guilty mind and guilty act.

johnniewalker

01-22-2007, 10:48 AM

Ha, the guy thought it was a christmas tree!

TheGameHHH

01-22-2007, 10:48 AM

EliSnow wrote: sailor wrote: EliSnow wrote: JustJon wrote: EliSnow wrote: sailor wrote: they broke the law with their intent. like if you try to buy pot from an undercover agent and it's just oregano. you still broke the law, because you THOUGHT you were committing the crime. This message was edited by sailor on 1-22-07 @ 2:31 PM It's like I recently read in my bar examination materials, you can't break the law with the intent. Your example is also faulty, becuase you can't break the law unless you are buying cocaine. If you are buying oregano, it's not a crime. Who would mistake oregano for cocaine?My mistake in reading the original post.Also, with regard to police stings, the charge they probably get nailed with is attempt, but not the actual crime. The one caller is right : Any crime requires a guilty act with a guilty mind (unless it's a strict liability crime like statutory rape). Unless the act violates the law, the intent does not create a crime. You could have attempt. your fancy lawyer-talk hurts my simple brain. Shit, I didn't even use the latin words for guilty mind and guilty act. you coulda said res ipsa and thrown his whole world into upheavel

wkj

01-22-2007, 10:48 AM

TheGameHHH wrote: wkj wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: is it just me or does anybody else not believe a legal word that comes out of a southerners mouth? they just sound so dumb, like they have no concept of the law whatsoever. I'd like to think you are not referring to my post. im referring to the callers, i cant really tell if youre southern by your postSmart ass, these shit house lawyers on the phone make me tired.  Most make no sense at all.

EliSnow

01-22-2007, 10:49 AM

MasterSoySauce wrote: wait so if you go to buy drugs and its not actually a drug and its a cop and you dont actually buy it how is it a crime? Like I said, I think you can get busted for attempt to buy a drug, but not for actually buying drugs.

sailor

01-22-2007, 10:49 AM

EliSnow wrote: sailor wrote: EliSnow wrote: EliSnow wrote: sailor wrote: they broke the law with their intent. like if you try to buy pot from an undercover agent and it's just oregano. you still broke the law, because you THOUGHT you were committing the crime. This message was edited by sailor on 1-22-07 @ 2:31 PM It's like I recently read in my bar examination materials, you can't break the law with the intent. Your example is also faulty, becuase you can't break the law unless you are buying cocaine. If you are buying oregano, it's not a crime. Edit: In your example, you could be busted for an attempt to purchase drugs, but you can't be busted for purchasing drugs. um, that was like my point. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" width="15" height="15" /> But attempt is not the same as the actual crime. Much lesser penalties etc.  if you even brought up prima facie...i was out!

Basedow

01-22-2007, 10:51 AM

satellite. see yuh buddays.

johnniewalker

01-22-2007, 10:51 AM

later all!

sailor

01-22-2007, 10:51 AM

TheGameHHH wrote: EliSnow wrote: sailor wrote: EliSnow wrote: JustJon wrote: EliSnow wrote: sailor wrote: they broke the law with their intent. like if you try to buy pot from an undercover agent and it's just oregano. you still broke the law, because you THOUGHT you were committing the crime. This message was edited by sailor on 1-22-07 @ 2:31 PM It's like I recently read in my bar examination materials, you can't break the law with the intent. Your example is also faulty, becuase you can't break the law unless you are buying cocaine. If you are buying oregano, it's not a crime. Who would mistake oregano for cocaine?My mistake in reading the original post.Also, with regard to police stings, the charge they probably get nailed with is attempt, but not the actual crime. The one caller is right : Any crime requires a guilty act with a guilty mind (unless it's a strict liability crime like statutory rape). Unless the act violates the law, the intent does not create a crime. You could have attempt. your fancy lawyer-talk hurts my simple brain. Shit, I didn't even use the latin words for guilty mind and guilty act. you coulda said res ipsa and thrown his whole world into upheavel you left off the loquitur

TheGameHHH

01-22-2007, 10:51 AM

time to lift, see ya at 6pm buddies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TheVHD

01-22-2007, 10:51 AM

What did Ron say about coming early tomorrow... to meet who?  I'm assuming it's a guest on O&A.

Earlshog

01-22-2007, 10:52 AM

suuuuuuuuuup

MasterSoySauce

01-22-2007, 10:52 AM

EliSnow wrote: MasterSoySauce wrote: wait so if you go to buy drugs and its not actually a drug and its a cop and you dont actually buy it how is it a crime? Like I said, I think you can get busted for attempt to buy a drug, but not for actually buying drugs.ok i got it now just two different crimes

sailor

01-22-2007, 10:52 AM

TheGameHHH wrote: time to lift, see ya at 6pm buddies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! weren't you leaving like 2 hours ago?

TheGameHHH

01-22-2007, 10:52 AM

sailor wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: EliSnow wrote: sailor wrote: EliSnow wrote: JustJon wrote: EliSnow wrote: sailor wrote: they broke the law with their intent. like if you try to buy pot from an undercover agent and it's just oregano. you still broke the law, because you THOUGHT you were committing the crime. This message was edited by sailor on 1-22-07 @ 2:31 PM It's like I recently read in my bar examination materials, you can't break the law with the intent. Your example is also faulty, becuase you can't break the law unless you are buying cocaine. If you are buying oregano, it's not a crime. Who would mistake oregano for cocaine?My mistake in reading the original post.Also, with regard to police stings, the charge they probably get nailed with is attempt, but not the actual crime. The one caller is right : Any crime requires a guilty act with a guilty mind (unless it's a strict liability crime like statutory rape). Unless the act violates the law, the intent does not create a crime. You could have attempt. your fancy lawyer-talk hurts my simple brain. Shit, I didn't even use the latin words for guilty mind and guilty act. you coulda said res ipsa and thrown his whole world into upheavel you left off the loquitur thats probably why they threw me out of law school after one semester

wkj

01-22-2007, 10:52 AM

TheVHD wrote: What did Ron say about coming early tomorrow... to meet who?  I'm assuming it's a guest on O&A. Yes.

TheGameHHH

01-22-2007, 10:53 AM

sailor wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: time to lift, see ya at 6pm buddies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! weren't you leaving like 2 hours ago?  yea, but then i shaved and got food and still made it back by like 2:30pm so i had some time left over to listen to the end of the show

TheVHD

01-22-2007, 10:53 AM

wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: What did Ron say about coming early tomorrow... to meet who?  I'm assuming it's a guest on O&A. Yes.The band?

sailor

01-22-2007, 10:55 AM

MasterSoySauce wrote: EliSnow wrote: MasterSoySauce wrote: wait so if you go to buy drugs and its not actually a drug and its a cop and you dont actually buy it how is it a crime? Like I said, I think you can get busted for attempt to buy a drug, but not for actually buying drugs.ok i got it now just two different crimes  like murder/attempted murder.

briarhawk

01-22-2007, 11:00 AM

My question is whether the 29yo who was impersonating the kid will get in any trouble legally...he didn't falsify any documents, and it's not against the law to pretend to be a kid...

wkj

01-22-2007, 11:00 AM

TheVHD wrote: wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: What did Ron say about coming early tomorrow... to meet who?  I'm assuming it's a guest on O&A. Yes.The band?Have no idea, didn't catch OA today.

EliSnow

01-22-2007, 11:01 AM

sailor wrote: MasterSoySauce wrote: EliSnow wrote: MasterSoySauce wrote: wait so if you go to buy drugs and its not actually a drug and its a cop and you dont actually buy it how is it a crime? Like I said, I think you can get busted for attempt to buy a drug, but not for actually buying drugs.ok i got it now just two different crimes  like murder/attempted murder. Exactly.  And attempt to commit a crime carries lesser penalties, etc. than actually committing a crime.  Also, I think the police in making drug stings actually use real drugs rather than fake materials (such as oregano) so that they can bust the person for purchase of the drugs, rather than just attempt to purchase.

MasterSoySauce

01-22-2007, 11:01 AM

Earlshog

01-22-2007, 11:02 AM

wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: What did Ron say about coming early tomorrow... to meet who?  I'm assuming it's a guest on O&A. Yes.The band?Have no idea, didn't catch OA today.I think its the Blue Blazer

TheVHD

01-22-2007, 11:02 AM

MasterSoySauce wrote: TheVHD wrote: wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: What did Ron say about coming early tomorrow... to meet who?  I'm assuming it's a guest on O&A. Yes.The band?ricky gervais (sp?)gracias... signore

wkj

01-22-2007, 11:02 AM

wkj

01-22-2007, 11:06 AM

Earlshog wrote: wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: What did Ron say about coming early tomorrow... to meet who?  I'm assuming it's a guest on O&A. Yes.The band?Have no idea, didn't catch OA today.I think its the Blue BlazerBy the way, what happened on 9/19/06 that I should remember?

EliSnow

01-22-2007, 11:09 AM

briarhawk wrote: My question is whether the 29yo who was impersonating the kid will get in any trouble legally...he didn't falsify any documents, and it's not against the law to pretend to be a kid... Possibly conspiracy.  If the cops can prove that he and the two old men agreed to get him into school to become friends with kids and deceive/coerce them into having sex with him and the older men,

MasterSoySauce

01-22-2007, 11:09 AM

wkj wrote: MasterSoySauce wrote: TheVHD wrote: wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: What did Ron say about coming early tomorrow... to meet who?  I'm assuming it's a guest on O&A. Yes.The band?ricky gervais (sp?)Who?  Too old I guess.he played on the original The Office back in england, side note: 20,000 times better is the english office, literally. 

This message was edited by MasterSoySauce on 1-22-07 @ 3:12 PM

briarhawk

01-22-2007, 11:13 AM

i was thinkin that too, but then heard that the old men were shocked and amazed to learn he wasn't a child still...so doesn't that kinda cut any sort of conspiracy out?

wkj

01-22-2007, 11:13 AM

MasterSoySauce wrote: wkj wrote: MasterSoySauce wrote: TheVHD wrote: wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: What did Ron say about coming early tomorrow... to meet who?  I'm assuming it's a guest on O&A. Yes.The band?ricky gervais (sp?)Who?  Too old I guess.he played on the original The Office back in england, side note: 20,000 time better is the english office, literally. Thanks, no help.

wkj

01-22-2007, 11:15 AM

Out of here...good show.

Earlshog

01-22-2007, 11:20 AM

wkj wrote: Earlshog wrote: wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: What did Ron say about coming early tomorrow... to meet who?  I'm assuming it's a guest on O&A. Yes.The band?Have no idea, didn't catch OA today.I think its the Blue BlazerBy the way, what happened on 9/19/06 that I should remember?it was the day a hero was born... when a man against all odds....  returned a cell phone to its rightful owner...

wkj

01-22-2007, 12:15 PM

Earlshog wrote: wkj wrote: Earlshog wrote: wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: What did Ron say about coming early tomorrow... to meet who?  I'm assuming it's a guest on O&A. Yes.The band?Have no idea, didn't catch OA today.I think its the Blue BlazerBy the way, what happened on 9/19/06 that I should remember?it was the day a hero was born... when a man against all odds....  returned a cell phone to its rightful owner...Thanks, didn't connect the date.  Ron Bennington is the man.

Don Stugots

01-22-2007, 12:19 PM

Earlshog wrote: wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: wkj wrote: TheVHD wrote: What did Ron say about coming early tomorrow... to meet who? I'm assuming it's a guest on O&A. Yes.The band?Have no idea, didn't catch OA today.I think its the Blue Blazer ok, please stop mentioning owen hart.  some of us still get teary eyed thinking of the guy.  thats right, i am looking right at you don stugots.