Sopranos Thread

[SPeeDy_Freak]

I was a bit surprised that they didn't kill off Sil completely. I can see why he was to be taken out since he is Tony's right hand. To leave it up in the air as to whether he will survive or not was disappointing. He wither is dead or not.

Frank Vincent's performance this season has been superb. His absolute distain for the Nj family gradually has been building up. His decision to take out the NJ family was calculated anc cold-blooded. He really carried much of this season. I could live with him surviving this bloodbath but would be pissed to see his google-eyed soldier make it.

The Bobby scene was telling of how he was never very in tune with his surroundings. He was under the impression that he was safe and was going about his "business" and was totally caught off guard. I like how everyone knew he was going to get hit but bobby himself.

Killing off Tony's key soldiers was designed to leave him wounded and defenseless. I could see tony deciding in the final episode that he will not hide like a coward and seek out Phil himself. Perhaps that scene with Tony and Paulie in the car was their hiding in the weeds waiting for Phil to make his appearance. I would not have a problem if Tony goes out gons-ablazing. To lay waiting to be hunted would not be the best way for Tony to go out.

AJ delivered again as one of the most worthless characters on TV with his meltdown in the closet. He could only redeem his place on the show by killing someone in an uncontrolled fit of rage (I remember a preview scene where Carmella is surprised in the kitchen... maybe he protects Carmella by killing one of Phil's men - or Phil himself - on a botched murder attempt in the final episode).

[Rockvillejoe]

the irony is that tony is left almost defenseless due to his own killing of his own crew members. what an awful boss. he is the jimmy carter of mob bosses. who can blame frank vincent? while tony is doing shrooms in vegas and killing his own blood, christopher, the new jersey mob is left rudderless and not taking care of business. this overindulgent, selfish, self destructive, amoral, fat slob deserves to be dropped from the empire state building if you ask me. feh......

[Furtherman]

Hey Rockvillejoe is back!



Anyway, Tony absolutley is a "overindulgent, selfish, self destructive, amoral, fat slob" and these past few episodes have highlighted that. People over the years have grown to love Tony but it needs to be remembered that he is not a good person, at all.

And that was never so clearly shown as the scene in therapy last night. Calling Dr. Melphy "amoral"?? Hysterical.

Poor Bobby. Murdered over his hobbies. But that couldn't have been better, after seeing him in that conductor's hat. And Sil! I didn't think he'd get shot. I think he'll be able to say something in the season finale.

Tony throwing A.J. into the closet was great, but again, just shows you how much of a prick he is.

[ChimneyFish]

That was the first episode in awhile that really left me wanting more.
Is the final just 1 hour????
Last night's episode went by so quick.

[T-MuG]

I thought Tony was actually too nice to AJ considering. Bobby was killed, and the little baby immediately found a way to make the whole situation about himself and his depression.

Someone brought up the fact that Bobby's hit was too predictable. Well, since the hits were announced at the beginning of the show it hardly would have been possible to surprise the audience. I was expecting Bobby or Sil to get whacked every scene they were in. Bobby was the only one who needed to be surprised.

I agree about Sil. He knew the situation and should have had his gun on him at all times. Hell, the guy driving (I forget the character name) did.

Saying they are trying too hard to end things with a bang isn't fair either. Fans have been moaning for seasons now that something like this should happen. They teased us with this and never followed though. The tension with NY has been building up for years and this makes complete sense within the storyline. In fact, I was surprised that it didn't happen earlier.

[TheGameHHH]

That was the first episode in awhile that really left me wanting more.
Is the final just 1 hour????
Last night's episode went by so quick.

no, i believe next week's finale is 2 hours......hence, no entourage

[BoondockSaint]

no, i believe next week's finale is 2 hours......hence, no entourage


It's only an hour and then the premiere of Joh from Cincinati is on.

[lleeder]

This must be, like many others in this thread, your first year watching.

Ive watched every year

[torker]

Motorcycle Guy was gratuitous. I'm not saying I didn't like it, but it was.

[MikeB]

what a self important douche you are. maybe you should just let people enjoy the show instead of trying to act like your a better sopranos fan than everyone else.
Why don't you post that everytime someone posts something about the Ron and Fez show that makes no sense and everyone attacks the person.

[Dougie Brootal]

Why don't you post that everytime someone posts something about the Ron and Fez show that makes no sense and everyone attacks the person.

cuz this is the ron and fez board, not the sopranos board.:smile:

[Dougie Brootal]

Why don't you post that everytime someone posts something about the Ron and Fez show that makes no sense and everyone attacks the person.

cuz this is the ron and fez board, not the sopranos board.:smile:

and on top of that. im not attacking or bashing anything or anyone. just making up harmless guesses on the end of a tv show with my board buddays, and just so you know i not only have watched the show from the beginning, i have all 6 seasons on dvd. so thanks.

[lleeder]

cuz this is the ron and fez board, not the sopranos board.:smile:

I hope the Sopranos Board has a Ron And Fez thread.

[Snacks]

Im shocked by how many of you liked sil's character. I think he was the worst casted person on the show with the least amount of charcter development. His acting and facial expressions always anoyed me. I just wish he was killed off sooner then the 2nd to last episode.

[Dougie Brootal]

I hope the Sopranos Board has a Ron And Fez thread.

maybe mikeb can run over there and start one.

[lleeder]

Im shocked by how many of you liked sil's character. I think he was the worst casted person on the show with the least amount of charcter development. His acting and facial expressions always anoyed me. I just wish he was killed off sooner then the 2nd to last episode.

I liked how he always had a look as if something was caught in his teeth and he was trying to get it out with his tongue discretely.

[spadanko]

Im shocked by how many of you liked sil's character. I think he was the worst casted person on the show with the least amount of charcter development. His acting and facial expressions always anoyed me. I just wish he was killed off sooner then the 2nd to last episode.

Silvio was probably my favorite character on the show... i know way too man guys that fit the profile and the character he portrayed... He is/was the man...

[TheMojoPin]

Im shocked by how many of you liked sil's character. I think he was the worst casted person on the show with the least amount of charcter development. His acting and facial expressions always anoyed me. I just wish he was killed off sooner then the 2nd to last episode.

I kind of agree. I didn't really dislike him, but it's not like I was wowed by this musician basically playing a cartoon character. He was fine for what he was, and he really wasn't on all that much or had that much to do compared to most of the rest of the crew, so he worked in that regard. In terms of liking the character, well, he could be funny by just being so ridiculous, but I washed my hands of him when he slapped around the stripper that Ralphie ended up killing and then when he took out Adrianna. He's a scumbag like the rest of 'em and he got what he deserved.

[celery]

Im shocked by how many of you liked sil's character. I think he was the worst casted person on the show with the least amount of charcter development. His acting and facial expressions always anoyed me. I just wish he was killed off sooner then the 2nd to last episode.

They gave him some decent character development, like when Tony was shot and Sil took over, but his asthma held him back. I really thought we'd get an episode dedicated to him during this last string - I'm guessing Chase was concerned about him being able to carry the show, or we would have seen more of him. His daughter only made one appearance, during the pilot. Even so, he's still a very important character.

As for him being a "cartoon character", the same could be said for Pauly or Bobby. Or even Tony for that matter. Everyone on the show is somewhat charismatic and flamboyant - they are caricatures of mob guys.

[TheMojoPin]

They gave him some decent character development, like when Tony was shot and Sil took over, but his asthma held him back. I really thought we'd get an episode dedicated to him during this last string - I'm guessing Chase was concerned about him being able to carry the show, or we would have seen more of him. His daughter only made one appearance, during the pilot. Even so, he's still a very important character.

As for him being a "cartoon character", the same could be said for Pauly or Bobby. Or even Tony for that matter. Everyone on the show is somewhat charismatic and flamboyant - they are caricatures of mob guys.

True, but Sil is that way to the nth degree. Even his "character development," like taking over as temporary boss, is mostly punctuated by how ridiculous he dresses and the overall absurdity of him being felled by asthma. I know he was around more, especially the last few seasons, but Sil always just struck me as a more absurd, Italian and poorly acted version of Hesch. Hesch was a guy I really wish had been around more, and I thought his relationship with Tony was really interesting.

[Bulldogcakes]

The whole thing with the NY mob is throwing us all off the path, as Chase so often loves to do. The violence on this show has always been sudden, and unpredictable. But there were clues from last weeks episode.

Here's what happens.

Janice, after a heated argument with Tony over him not doing anything to protect Bobby, gets psychotic (just like his mother) pulls out a gun and kills him. She is the one person on the planet who most takes after his mother, she is the sole Soprano matriarch. What Tony always feared most, the one person who ruined his life all along, turns out to be his undoing.


You heard it here first. Mark it down.


Tony's last interaction with Janet was him bitching about Bobby wanting to help Uncle Jun. So she's convinced he was already mad at him. Plus the fight they had earlier in the season. Also notice that Bobby's phone was ringing just as he closed his car door to go to the Train store. The warning call Tony ordered never was received. That's Chase's clue about where this is leading. That little twist of fate sets the chain of events in motion. Wont be the first time she's killed someone, so its totally plausible. She is also one of the few people right now who can get close to Tony, he's sleeping with a fucking AK-47. Janet, the living embodiment of Livia Soprano, is the one who ends up getting Tony.


Perfect. Absolutely perfect.

[Dougie Brootal]

The whole thing with the NY mob is throwing us all off the path, as Chase so often loves to do. The violence on this show has always been sudden, and unpredictable. But there were clues from last weeks episode.

Here's what happens.

Janice, after a heated argument with Tony over him not doing anything to protect Bobby, gets psychotic (just like his mother) pulls out a gun and kills him. She is the one person on the planet who most takes after his mother, she is the sole Soprano matriarch. What Tony always feared most, the one person who ruined his life all along, turns out to be his undoing.


You heard it here first. Mark it down.


Tony's last interaction with Janet was him bitching about Bobby wanting to help Uncle Jun. So she's convinced he was already mad at him. Plus the fight they had earlier in the season. Also notice that Bobby's phone was ringing just as he closed his car door to go to the Train store. The warning call Tony ordered never was received. That's Chase's clue about where this is leading. That little twist of fate sets the chain of events in motion. Wont be the first time she's killed someone, so its totally plausible. She is also one of the few people right now who can get close to Tony, he's sleeping with a fucking AK-47. Janet, the living embodiment of Livia Soprano, is the one who ends up getting Tony.


Perfect. Absolutely perfect.

yeah, i agree with the "out of nowhere" routine. thats what ive been looking for all along. i think your guess is fucking spot on and an awesome way to go especially with the whole livia comparison cuz thats what the whole thing started with. and also dont forget, the last thing tony said to janice was about bobby, and that he was "exile on main street."

better not let mikeb see you tryin to guess the ending though.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

Wow, I never dreamed they'd gun down my two favorite characters in the same show.

A moment of silence for Silvio Dante. At the end of the day, did anyone have Tony's back more than Sil? It's amazing to think that Little Steven had no experience as an actor before that role. To me, he's the best acted character aside from Tony himself.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/images/MK-AF947_SOPRAN_20060314213057.jpg

Edie Falco would like a word with you.

[lleeder]

Edie Falco would like a word with you.

Lets be honest her best work was on OZ.

[lleeder]

yeah, i agree with the "out of nowhere" routine. thats what ive been looking for all along. i think your guess is fucking spot on and an awesome way to go especially with the whole livia comparison cuz thats what the whole thing started with. and also dont forget, the last thing tony said to janice was about bobby, and that he was "exile on main street."

better not let mikeb see you tryin to guess the ending though.

This makes alot of sense too because of the whole Meadow/AJ comparison that went on last night. Not to mention Dr. Melfy standing up to Tony. The women are poised to win in the end. Or not.

[MikeB]

The whole thing with the NY mob is throwing us all off the path, as Chase so often loves to do. The violence on this show has always been sudden, and unpredictable. But there were clues from last weeks episode.

Here's what happens.

Janice, after a heated argument with Tony over him not doing anything to protect Bobby, gets psychotic (just like his mother) pulls out a gun and kills him. She is the one person on the planet who most takes after his mother, she is the sole Soprano matriarch. What Tony always feared most, the one person who ruined his life all along, turns out to be his undoing.


You heard it here first. Mark it down.


Tony's last interaction with Janet was him bitching about Bobby wanting to help Uncle Jun. So she's convinced he was already mad at him. Plus the fight they had earlier in the season. Also notice that Bobby's phone was ringing just as he closed his car door to go to the Train store. The warning call Tony ordered never was received. That's Chase's clue about where this is leading. That little twist of fate sets the chain of events in motion. Wont be the first time she's killed someone, so its totally plausible. She is also one of the few people right now who can get close to Tony, he's sleeping with a fucking AK-47. Janet, the living embodiment of Livia Soprano, is the one who ends up getting Tony.


Perfect. Absolutely perfect.

When has the violence been sudden and unpredictable? Pussy took a season to get him killed. Ralphy took nearly a season to have him killed and him getting killed wasnt really out of no where cause you knew how much Tony loved that horse and he punched him before because he killed some girl he barely knew.
The Janice thing isnt too out there but I think Janice might take some comfort in the idea that Bobby was so important that he was killed. And we she killed Richie it wasnt planned and she has felt guilty about it since then. She went psycho when Tony brought it up during Season 5 when she said I'll kill you and he came back with something along the lines of "Wouldnt be the first time you killed someone."

I think the exile to main street means he is going to stop bringing him along.

I am not sure why people think Chase loves sudden twists and unexpected blood? That makes me not in favor of this crazy talk of Paulie working with New York. Why not just make the Russia come kill him while you are at it.

[GvacNoMore]

I can't wait until next Sunday.

Not that I'm overly excited about the finale, I just want the damn thing to be over.

[drusilla]

so this is a totally random thought that has nothing to do with anything, but when aj was watching tv in the livingroom yesterday i was kind of surprised that it was a regular projection tv & not some massive plasma. i know tony has the screening room, but i also know that my father wouldn't be happy unless every tv in the house was the latest & greatest.

[Judge Smails]

My theory is that this episode was meant to be the end. With Tony all alone (both literally and figuratively) , clutching his gun and staring at the door in the dark, not knowing what's waiting for him on the other side. This would be classic Chase - not really tying it all up and leaving it up to the audience (and message boards) to argue it out among themselves.

Remember there were originally supposed to be only eight final episodes? Then there was a big hoopla made about how Chase realized he needed another episode to finish the series and a final hour was added. I suspect that HBO found out what he was planning and got a hold of him and twisted his arm to wrap the damn thing up, fearing that fans would storm the HBO headquarters if he tried to pull that shit again. Remember the Russian? Dr. Melfi's rapist? The arabs that I suspect are just another red herring? etc. etc. etc.

[TheMojoPin]

The "Janice theory" kind of bugs me since we already saw Janice flip out and kill someone when she plugged Richie.

I think Tony lives.

[yindao]

I'm starting to believe that Patsy Parisi will try to kill tony.

1. He was responsible for the botched attempt at Phil...he may have tipped phil off

2. Remember the scene when patsy wandered into Tony's backyard and aimed a gun at him through the window? He then urinated into his pool.

Something is up with him. I bet there is a tie in with Adrianna talking to the feds about Patsi in season 4. I think maybe he is playing both sides of the fence with NY and also is an informant with the Feds, hence Tony knowing about the order placed on him.

[MikeB]

My theory is that this episode was meant to be the end. With Tony all alone (both literally and figuratively) , clutching his gun and staring at the door in the dark, not knowing what's waiting for him on the other side. This would be classic Chase - not really tying it all up and leaving it up to the audience (and message boards) to argue it out among themselves.

Remember there were originally supposed to be only eight final episodes? Then there was a big hoopla made about how Chase realized he needed another episode to finish the series and a final hour was added. I suspect that HBO found out what he was planning and got a hold of him and twisted his arm to wrap the damn thing up, fearing that fans would storm the HBO headquarters if he tried to pull that shit again. Remember the Russian? Dr. Melfi's rapist? The arabs that I suspect are just another red herring? etc. etc. etc.

People have brought that up on blogs. I could see that being the last episode because Chase was very close to season 4 being the last one and that was with Tony and Carm splitting up. But HBO doesnt tell David Chase shit. I am tired of people complaining or giving props about the Sopranos and saying "Good job HBO." HBO gets the final product and thats pretty much fucking it. Thats like saying good job HBO for a fezetorial. The days of them having input went away around season 3. They did have some problems during the early stages of the show with the content but thats no more.

[Mafialife Chris]

sil aint dead yet. Could set up for a last visit by Tony to his hospital bed.

Carefull, tenn may try and call you on it, and not admit he's wrong, lol

[Don Stugots]

Carefull, tenn may try and call you on it, and not admit he's wrong, lol

or that he doesnt even watch the show.

[MikeB]

Carefull, tenn may try and call you on it, and not admit he's wrong, lol
I wasnt correcting Tenn, he already was. I was talking to someone else.

On a related note, check my Sig, it has become even better.

[celery]

I wasnt correcting Tenn, he already was. I was talking to someone else.

On a related note, check my Sig, it has become even better.

You were correcting me. But I never said Sil was dead, so no correction was needed.

[Mafialife Chris]

I wasnt correcting Tenn, he already was. I was talking to someone else.

On a related note, check my Sig, it has become even better.

I actually find that thread flattering, lol
They got some info wrong:

1. Sheepy never boo'd me, he was being told to from the paltalk show room.
2. I love when tenn runs the "he fucks frenchy" bit, when i havent been with her for a few months now, lol. (and guess what tenn, we parted as friends, without drama, sorry to burst your bubble)

I fail to understand your serious dissrespect for her when you reffer to 2 ppl who cared about each other as "he fucks her" like she is some trash. Sorry tenn, that is not cool. Try showing a girl a little respect. Now update your info book, so you dont make the same miistakes again!

Mike, tell that board i said thanks. I signed up a while ago, but it is not worth the few clicks it takes to retrieve your password to reply.

see-ya,

[Don Stugots]

you two broke up? what happened? was it because she says to me first and you second?


seriously, what ever anyone's problems are with each other, this is not the place for it. more so when it is from another board. Ribbing is one thing but these personal attacks are just wrong on many levels. we all see each other at events and the hard feelings make it hard for the people that like both parties. I quote the great Bill & Ted: Be excellent to each other. Or if you have noting nice to say, dont say anything.

[Dougie Brootal]

you two broke up? what happened? was it because she says to me first and you second?


seriously, what ever anyone's problems are with each other, this is not the place for it. more so when it is from another board. Ribbing is one thing but these personal attacks are just wrong on many levels. we all see each other at events and the hard feelings make it hard for the people that like both parties. I quote the great Bill & Ted: Be excellent to each other. Or if you have noting nice to say, dont say anything.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/douggrasso/stfugore.jpg

[Recyclerz]

The whole thing with the NY mob is throwing us all off the path, as Chase so often loves to do. The violence on this show has always been sudden, and unpredictable. But there were clues from last weeks episode.

Here's what happens.

Janice, after a heated argument with Tony over him not doing anything to protect Bobby, gets psychotic (just like his mother) pulls out a gun and kills him. She is the one person on the planet who most takes after his mother, she is the sole Soprano matriarch. What Tony always feared most, the one person who ruined his life all along, turns out to be his undoing.


You heard it here first. Mark it down.


Tony's last interaction with Janet was him bitching about Bobby wanting to help Uncle Jun. So she's convinced he was already mad at him. Plus the fight they had earlier in the season. Also notice that Bobby's phone was ringing just as he closed his car door to go to the Train store. The warning call Tony ordered never was received. That's Chase's clue about where this is leading. That little twist of fate sets the chain of events in motion. Wont be the first time she's killed someone, so its totally plausible. She is also one of the few people right now who can get close to Tony, he's sleeping with a fucking AK-47. Janet, the living embodiment of Livia Soprano, is the one who ends up getting Tony.


Perfect. Absolutely perfect.

I think that BDC's scenario is as plausible as any (and makes more sense than most) but Chase has set up so many great threads through the years that there's not really just one obvious end to the narrative arc. Which is why it's still so much fun to watch this series right up to the end.

I think Judge Smail's idea about this week's episode being Chase's original one is also interesting. It would kind of mirror the end of Godfather 2: Michael sitting in the dark alone, having conquered all his enemies but having lost his soul in the process vs. Tony, sitting in the dark alone , waiting for the end to come, having struggled to get a soul but came up short.

I'm hoping for a Shakespearean ending: lots of bodies piled up on the stage, all of their plots come to naught, with a minor character looking at the carnage and slowly shaking his/her head at the futility of it all.

[Bulldogcakes]

Family. Tony's Italian, so it all comes back to family.

Janice will already be in an irrational state having lost her husband, the father of her children and the one good man she ever found after a string of bad relationships. Tony was his boss, he was supposed to look out for him. Add a zillion other issues the two of them have had with each other their entire life, and you have the groundwork laid for the finale. Maybe Tony, given all the stress he's under from NY, has no patience for her and gets physical. Which was what set her off when she killed Ritchie.


Janice lays crying over Tony's bloody, lifeless body. Fade to black. The Story of Tony Soprano comes to an end.

[Don Stugots]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/douggrasso/stfugore.jpg

i wish my good friend Douggrasso was here. he wouldnt let people talk to me like that.


Sopranos ends with Tony getting the best of Phil but at what cost? His son is living abortion, his daughter is now getting involved with a gangster's son (repeating the mistakes of her mother), his sister has lost her husband, his inner circle is gone and therapy is done. His life as he knew it is over and dead. He is left to live and suffer through it.

[T-MuG]

I listened to the replay and was surprised at how much went by ron and fez. I wonder if they were talking on the phone when it was on or something.

Ron complained about Sil killing that guy and not telling why, when Sil told Tony exactly why later.

Fez missed the whole point of the shrink dinner - the fact that they are all just as petty and gossipy as anyone else, yet they have such pompous attitudes that they are above it all. The punchline was when one of them said she could tell them because they were all professionals. Maybe Fez is blocking this out because he doesn't want to think of his shrink joking at a dinner about his pee-shyness. Malfi also gave in to peer pressure, something that adults aren't supposed to do, let alone a professional like her. I bought it all. I don't think taking psychology makes people somehow above doing the petty things we all do.

Ron brought up the rushed point again. I think once the wheels are set in motion, everything would happed quick. You aren't going to get a hit a week. The job needed to be done as quickly as possible, and the tensions with NY have been going on for years. I think what has been throwing people this season is the fact that there haven't been any wasted scenes like there were in past seasons.

Ron bitched about Johnnycakes too. I agree that that plotline should have been much shorter, but it was used to great effect when Phil's guy was trying to talk him out of the hit list and Phil ran down the list of what Tony had done. The thing that seemed to turn the guy wasn't the killings, but harboring a homosexual.

[King Imp]

My theory is that this episode was meant to be the end. With Tony all alone (both literally and figuratively) , clutching his gun and staring at the door in the dark, not knowing what's waiting for him on the other side. This would be classic Chase - not really tying it all up and leaving it up to the audience (and message boards) to argue it out among themselves.

Remember there were originally supposed to be only eight final episodes? Then there was a big hoopla made about how Chase realized he needed another episode to finish the series and a final hour was added. I suspect that HBO found out what he was planning and got a hold of him and twisted his arm to wrap the damn thing up, fearing that fans would storm the HBO headquarters if he tried to pull that shit again. Remember the Russian? Dr. Melfi's rapist? The arabs that I suspect are just another red herring? etc. etc. etc.

All the Chase nuthuggers can kiss his ass and claim how they think that would have been a great ending all they want, but no one in their right mind can honestly say that would have been an acceptable series ending. The episode itself was excellent, but the final 5 minutes would not cut it as a series ender.

The sad thing is I honestly don't expect much next week. I expect it to go out in a very lame fashion. I personally would have it wrap up one of two ways. After going back and forth killing each others soldiers, Tony and Phil realize this is hurting business more than helping it and decided to have a truce. That's the lame version. Better version, Tony meets with Phil to have a truce and while there with their 2nd in command (Paulie now that Sil and Bobby are gone and googly eyed Butch), both of them pull guns and kill their respective bosses since they feel both are bringing the families down. Honestly, how can you have NY only kill Tony or NJ only kill Phil and then end it? People would be dying for more to see the ramifications from the other side.

[T-MuG]

The list of possible ways I'd like to see it end:
1) Tony, disgusted at how the Italian cousins screwed up, takes a risk and makes calls to the father of a long forgotten character in Italy, and explains how worried he is about Carmella's safety and needs to talk to his son. Phil is out in public and Furio lays waste to him and his crew. Furio was the only reliable killer Tony ever had.
Probability: not likely, but it would be great to see Furio go to work again.
2) Tony is double crossed by either Paulie, or Patsy and killed. Phil thinks it's over and shows his face only to have him and his crew killed. A man makes a call and says "it's done", and Little Carmine is on the other end of the line.
Probability: possible. When he and Tony went to Phil's house, it didn't seem to me like they were expected. He may have been trying to help this along so that he could clean house of what's left. He may have even been the one to order the hit on Phil's relative that brought him back in.
3) Tony and his family go into witness protection.
Probability: possible. That fed gave his number to Tony. The preview showed headlights coming toward him and Paulie. Paulie might talk him into it.

Ways I wouldn't like to see it end:
1) One of Tony's immediate family killed.
Probability: not likely. That is inconsistent with the hits we've seen, and with the way things have been done by NY or NJ. The only reason I think this could even be possible was the line Phil had a couple seasons ago when he said to Tony "You ever had a member of your family die in your arms you cocksucker? I'll see if maybe I can't make that happen for you someday". It would be a good callback, but it would also be unrealistic.
2) His sister killing him.
Probability: not likely. Until the thing with Phil get's resolved, he has no reason to be anywhere near Janice. Also, with Sil shot up, it would be obvious to her what's happening and she isn't going to think Tony did it.
3) The terrorist task force, having flagged A.J. as a possible terror threat, catch Phil's hitmen at the house the family is hiding in and they give up Phil (good help is hard to come by these days).
Probability: this is the dumbest idea I've come up with yet. It's getting late.

[MikeB]

The sad thing is I honestly don't expect much next week. I expect it to go out in a very lame fashion. I personally would have it wrap up one of two ways. After going back and forth killing each others soldiers, Tony and Phil realize this is hurting business more than helping it and decided to have a truce. That's the lame version. Better version, Tony meets with Phil to have a truce and while there with their 2nd in command (Paulie now that Sil and Bobby are gone and googly eyed Butch), both of them pull guns and kill their respective bosses since they feel both are bringing the families down. Honestly, how can you have NY only kill Tony or NJ only kill Phil and then end it? People would be dying for more to see the ramifications from the other side.
Phil called for Chris' death once. Killed one of Tony's captains. And now called for Tony's death, took out Bobby, and looks to have taken out Sil. Why would Tony now say lets stop this for business? He did that once and then brought it up again and Phil didnt give a shit. Why would Tony think it would be different when Phil is full of bravado as much as ever.
The both pulling guns is just silly and you should go watch a Kurt Russell Val Kilmer movie. Thats a death wish (by the state). Even at his up most craziness he stopped himself from killing Coco. He could take Phil or someone else out on his own do to the fact his therapist has left him and even with her his mental state has been getting worse the last 8 episodes, which was reflecting through the metaphor of gambling.

Chase doesn't really care about people wanting more. He was ready to end the show after season 2, 3, and 4. Chase is from a similar mold as Kubrick but he is more twisted. Chase is a self admitted depressed dark individual. While people said season 6 part 1 ended with this happy ending he said, paraphrase, "I don't know why everyone says this is a happy thing right here. Clearly bad times are ahead." And he points out how it fades away during Moon Light Mile with the lyric "Just another mad mad day on the road." Past times when seasons (every one) has ended with a happy Soprano family moment it has been a mirage. This thing is going to end with something in a Ice Cream place, which is the opposite of meat, so it should be interesting what happens.

Family. Tony's Italian, so it all comes back to family.

Janice will already be in an irrational state having lost her husband, the father of her children and the one good man she ever found after a string of bad relationships. Tony was his boss, he was supposed to look out for him. Add a zillion other issues the two of them have had with each other their entire life, and you have the groundwork laid for the finale. Maybe Tony, given all the stress he's under from NY, has no patience for her and gets physical. Which was what set her off when she killed Ritchie.


Janice lays crying over Tony's bloody, lifeless body. Fade to black. The Story of Tony Soprano comes to an end.
I think you give Janice a little too much credit. She had one kid with this man and we never really saw the two of them in a loving situation. She was "attracted" to him just like Tony is attracted to Brown haired women. Janice didn't come around till season 2 so I really don't see her being involved in a full circle ending even though it would be possible as she is the last of his blood relatives from him being a child. I do see a Roman style ending.

I listened to the replay and was surprised at how much went by ron and fez. I wonder if they were talking on the phone when it was on or something.

Ron complained about Sil killing that guy and not telling why, when Sil told Tony exactly why later.

Fez missed the whole point of the shrink dinner - the fact that they are all just as petty and gossipy as anyone else, yet they have such pompous attitudes that they are above it all. The punchline was when one of them said she could tell them because they were all professionals. Maybe Fez is blocking this out because he doesn't want to think of his shrink joking at a dinner about his pee-shyness. Malfi also gave in to peer pressure, something that adults aren't supposed to do, let alone a professional like her. I bought it all. I don't think taking psychology makes people somehow above doing the petty things we all do.

Ron brought up the rushed point again. I think once the wheels are set in motion, everything would happed quick. You aren't going to get a hit a week. The job needed to be done as quickly as possible, and the tensions with NY have been going on for years. I think what has been throwing people this season is the fact that there haven't been any wasted scenes like there were in past seasons.

Ron bitched about Johnnycakes too. I agree that that plotline should have been much shorter, but it was used to great effect when Phil's guy was trying to talk him out of the hit list and Phil ran down the list of what Tony had done. The thing that seemed to turn the guy wasn't the killings, but harboring a homosexual.
Ron has admitted he hasn't really watched this year closely . He missed an episode and said he had other stuff going on and that is why he did not know Johnny Sac died.
It would be interesting to playback his comments from last year compared to those of monday. Last year Ron was saying last year was a good season as each episode had tension and was good in its own. And to those blood hungry Sopranos fans, "Did you want Pauly Walnuts to die, Chrissy?"

The reason why people think this thing is rushed is because they know this is the last two episodes. People seem to suspend reality watching that stupid island show, why can't they for the greatest drama in television history. Did Tony know last week that he only has two hours left in his life, mob life, or whatever the consequences of the ending is going to be.

If you had each one of them get their own episode it would take away the realism, which is not David Chase's style. Chase was going to keep Tony B another season but then he realized if that situation happened in real life he would not alive that long. If a fam were to be taken out then it would not happen over a time that would be comparable to a few episodes. It would happen sudden.

[Bulldogcakes]

realistic.
2) His sister killing him.
Probability: not likely. Until the thing with Phil get's resolved, he has no reason to be anywhere near Janice. Also, with Sil shot up, it would be obvious to her what's happening and she isn't going to think Tony did it.

Actually, the place her and Bobby have upstate (from the season's beginning) is a perfect place for Tony to crash while he's trying to steer clear of the NY mob. I doubt anyone outside his immediate family knows about it. He just spent last night at Uncle Jun's old house, and thats too obvious place for NY to look. They all knew Uncle Jun and know he's in a nut hut.

She won't think Tony DID it, she'll think he didn't try to protect him. She's wrong, but it doesn't matter because in her irrational state she's just looking for someone to blame. And her and Tony have a long history of gripes and grievances with each other. Its not so simple as motive-action, its her and him having a ton of issues and this being a breaking point.

[MikeB]

Actually, the place her and Bobby have upstate (from the season's beginning) is a perfect place for Tony to crash while he's trying to steer clear of the NY mob. I doubt anyone outside his immediate family knows about it. He just spent last night at Uncle Jun's old house, and thats too obvious place for NY to look. They all knew Uncle Jun and know he's in a nut hut.

She won't think Tony DID it, she'll think he didn't try to protect him. She's wrong, but it doesn't matter because in her irrational state she's just looking for someone to blame. And her and Tony have a long history of gripes and grievances with each other. Its not so simple as motive-action, its her and him having a ton of issues and this being a breaking point.

They did not stay at Uncle Junior's old house. That was just some safe house.

[Fallon]

Wooo. The only Sopranos I've ever missed is on, it's the one with the Russian and the snow covered forests. I've heard people talk about it for years. Funny shit.

[Fallon]

They did not stay at Uncle Junior's old house. That was just some safe house.

Ohhhhhhhhhhh.

[PapaBear]

Wooo. The only Sopranos I've ever missed is on, it's the one with the Russian and the snow covered forests. I've heard people talk about it for years. Funny shit.
Cute. I'm watching TV with Fallon! "He killed 12 Czechoslovakians, and he's an interior decorator!"

[tele7]

Cute. I'm watching TV with Fallon! "He killed 12 Czechoslovakians, and he's an interior decorator!"

"his house looked like shit"

[badorties]

great classic episode ... always reminds me of miller's crossing (which seems to be on once a week now on the the fox movie channel)

i've been reading a bunch of spoilers for sunday, and i really like this one ... some pix/screen caps have surfaced, and this spoiler seems to fit (maybe intentionally)

The episode opens at a gas station in upstate New york a couple pull up to a pump in a red Cadillac. It is revealed to be Phil and Patty Leotardo. Phil gets out and begins to fill his tank when Benny Fazio approaches him from behind and shoots him twice in the head. Benny runs and gets into a sedan driven by Patsy Parisi and the two speed off as an african american youth onlooker throws up. We see see Tony Soprano, Paulie Walnuts, Carlo Gervasi, and Dante Greco playing cards in the safehouse from the prior episode. Tony gets a call from Benny on a payphone. He says "The Shaw's gone," and hangs up. Tony get up and motions for Paulie to follow. The two get into his Escalade after putting his AR-10 inot the backseat. The two drive to Satriales and sit outside all the while discussing days past in Johnny Boy Sopranos heyday. Paulie is working on his tan and Tony is smoking a cigar when a black Cadillac sedan approaches. Little Carmine Luperatazzi exits the backseat while the car drives around the corner. They seat themselves across from Tony and Paulie and begin to discuss recent affairs. After many malaprosims from Carmine and some moronic rambling from Paulie Tony laughs and interjects saying he is proud to be present at the first sit down between the new bosses of New Jersey and Brooklyn. Paulie and Carmine both appear shocked and Tony tells them its long over due and Paulie has been passed up too many times. Tony leaves the two and goes inside to speak with Agent Harris. Who is seen sitting in the back corner. Harris acknowledges Carmines presence and asks if hes to take that Carmine's the new boss of Brooklynn Tony tells him to, "Take whatever the *beep* you want and take one last Veal Parm Hero on the house." We now see AJ, Carmella, and Meadow in a motel room. A knock on the door prompts Carmella to remove a .45 automatic from her purse and walk to the door and ask whos there? Meadow reading the paper and AJ watching t.v. are both scared. After a long silence a familiar voice say's "A loving father and husband." Carmella opens the door and Tony and Paulie enter they all leave and go back to Casa De Soprano. After arriving home Janice Pulls up, leaves her kids there and her and Tony leave. Leaving Paulie to guard their respective families. The two arrive at a state hospital where they enter one at a time to talk to their Uncle Junior. Janice goes first and the two discuss moving him out of the hospital and Tony comes in to talk with him. The two make small talk until the shooting comes up. Junior apoligizes and said he was out of his head and that he always loved Tony even when he didnt show it. Tony and Janice return home around night fall and Tony and Paulie leave again Carmella is worried and Tony tells her not to worry this is the last time he will be leaving like this. Paulie and Tony are sitting in his car at night in an empty parking lot as the snow is falling discussing Paulies promotion Tony says he will be happy to be Consigliere to Paulie. When headlights shine upon them. The two get out and walk toward a parked SUV. When Butch DeConcini and Albie Cianflone exit it and walk toward them. They discuss peace and Tony tells the that if ran under Carmine, Brooklyn could expect no porblems from them. They shake hands and Tony suggests a drink to celebrate. Tony walks back to his car and opens the backseat. Tony pulls out a large object covered in a black plastic garbage bag. Paulie runs off to the side and throws himself down and Albie and Butch pull ot pistols but are too late when the garbage bag erupts with machine gun fire. Tony helps Paulie out of the snow and the two admire the AR-10 and two dead bodies. Tony looks the gun over and admires a phrase written on the stock. "Made In America." The two then drive away. We see the Soprano home at daylight the next day Carmella is in the bathtub, Meadow is asleep, and AJ is unlocking the hidden gun closet in an indoor column. he removes something and then goes outside. We see the pool once again uncovered yet empty and AJ is sitting in the botton holding a hand grenade. He pulls the pin out and holds the handle he hesitates and throws it to the other end of the pool it blows up dirtying him. Carmella comes outside with her .45 and nearly shoots her son. Tony arrives to see him sitting on the couch being questioned AJ says it was so cool. Tony laughs and writes it off and tells everyone to get in the car. Carmella asks where there going and Tony replies, Out for ice cream. We see a number of things in the final scene Paulie the surviving Jersey crew with Carmine and his crew having dinner together and toasting the two's promotions. Silvio's heartbeat monitor going flat. Janice in a small home with her three kids appearing miserable. Agent Harris arresting the two muslims from the Bada Bing apparently making bombs. Pat Blundetto breaking Junior out of the state hospital.Dr. Jennifer Melfi Smiling alone in her office while reading about the recent gangland slayings and Anthony Sopranos apparent stepping down as boss. Finally we see Tony and his immediate family together at an ice cream parlor.Tony then tells his family that hes no longer depressed and that being with his family and them being safe was better than all the therapists and Prozac in the world. It just took all this *beep* to make him see it. AJ says he's happy just to be alive and that hes snapped out of it aswell. Tony proposes a toast to his family mirroring the season one finale "I Dream Of Jeannie Cusamano".

[RogerPodacter]

Not sure i get the whole hand grenade stuff. But that ending would be sweet. I just dont believe it will end that way...but i like it.

[celery]

I'm just really hoping Carmela's mother lives, so ESD has to get her tattooed on his back. That's the most ridiculous bet ever.

[MikeB]

Not sure i get the whole hand grenade stuff. But that ending would be sweet. I just dont believe it will end that way...but i like it.

He put the spoiler in black font in a box, maybe you should use your brain.

[RogerPodacter]

He put the spoiler in black font in a box, maybe you should use your brain.


Seriously, mentioning 1 word from that excerpt hardly constitutes spoiling the show for anyone else reading this thread. Especially when it was a made up theory anyway. The definition of a spoiler is giving away what actually happened in a show to others who havent yet seen it. Who needs to use their brain??

[MikeB]

Seriously, mentioning 1 word from that excerpt hardly constitutes spoiling the show for anyone else reading this thread. Especially when it was a made up theory anyway. The definition of a spoiler is giving away what actually happened in a show to others who havent yet seen it. Who needs to use their brain??
He said some pix/screen caps have surfaced.

i've been reading a bunch of spoilers for sunday, and i really like this one ... some pix/screen caps have surfaced, and this spoiler seems to fit (maybe intentionally)

He called it a spoiler so take up the definition of a spoiler with him. Now who needs to use their brain????

[Don Stugots]

Not sure i get the whole hand grenade stuff. But that ending would be sweet. I just dont believe it will end that way...but i like it.

same here.

[Judge Smails]

Bobby Bacala is on Conan tonight, if anyone cares.

[underdog]

Ha! I just found out Vito was at my boss's club this past weekend trying to to promote his new line of cigars.

[RogerPodacter]

He said some pix/screen caps have surfaced.

He called it a spoiler so take up the definition of a spoiler with him. Now who needs to use their brain????

My bad, i didnt read that part. But still, mentioning that 1 word is harmless. i didnt even mention WHO, WHAT or WHERE. But i wonder where the spoilers actually came from.

[Dougie Brootal]

Ha! I just found out Vito was at my boss's club this past weekend trying to to promote his new line of cigars.

what are they called? i like the CAO Sopranos Editions, just wondering if it was the same ones.

[SPeeDy_Freak]

While I agree with some of the initial assessments in the "spoiler" above, I feel that Tony will eventually flip at the end.

[JustJon]

Ha! I just found out Vito was at my boss's club this past weekend trying to to promote his new line of cigars.

Allow me to say RonFez.Net would be more than happy to promote the cigars on our site in exchange for free cigars. :)

[Recyclerz]

Ha! I just found out Vito was at my boss's club this past weekend trying to to promote his new line of cigars.

Given what the Vito character became famous for, I'm not sure that him endorsing 6 to 8 inch long, rounded edge products that you shove into your pie hole seeking oral gratification are going to be the biggest hit with Middle America.

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

I scanned everyone's theories but didn't see this one:

I think Paulie gets offed by the Russian from the Pine Barrens. The Russian storyline has been hanging out there unresolved for several seasons, It would be a perfect closure.

[Bulldogcakes]

great classic episode ... always reminds me of miller's crossing (which seems to be on once a week now on the the fox movie channel)

i've been reading a bunch of spoilers for sunday, and i really like this one ... some pix/screen caps have surfaced, and this spoiler seems to fit (maybe intentionally)

Tony steps down, turns into Robert Young from "Father Knows Best" and takes the family out for Ice Cream? Sorry, didn't like that one at all. Doesn't have Chase's dark style of writing. I just don't see a happy ending here.

I have some expectations going in but I will make sure to take the episode as is, without wanting it to be something else and then setting myself up to be disappointed.

[Crispy123]

I just got done watching the episode where Paulie finds out who his mom is.

Hilarious, Paulie is a great character, Sil dissapoints though

[Friday]

I just got done watching the episode where Paulie finds out who his mom is.

Hilarious, Paulie is a great character, Sil dissapoints though

Sil has gotten some great writing... but as of late, not so much. So much of what you can do as an actor is tied to writing...
Agreed about Paulie... he is fantastic. Dare I say unpredictable.... hmmmm.

[KnoxHarrington]

David Chase has said in the past that he finds the whole "mob boss goes down in a blaze of glory" ending to many mob movies (the iconic example being "Scarface", both the '30s original and the '80s remake) to be cheesy and cliched, so I don't expect Tony to get whacked. On the other hand, I can't see Chase not wanting to make Tony answer for what he has done in some way.

I'm expecting an ending much like the way Godfather II did: Tony is successful in preserving his Mob family -- and if he can whack Phil Leotardo and basically take over Brooklyn too, he'd be even more powerful -- but at the cost of everything else in his life.

[TheMojoPin]

David Chase has said in the past that he finds the whole "mob boss goes down in a blaze of glory" ending to many mob movies (the iconic example being "Scarface", both the '30s original and the '80s remake) to be cheesy and cliched, so I don't expect Tony to get whacked.

I don't see that at all as saying Tony won't be killed. It sounds more like he's saying Tony could get killed very suddenly, without having a chance to fight back.

[yindao]

I scanned everyone's theories but didn't see this one:

I think Paulie gets offed by the Russian from the Pine Barrens. The Russian storyline has been hanging out there unresolved for several seasons, It would be a perfect closure.

I think the storyline will hang for the exact reason we are talking about it here: we are talking about it.

I would love for the Russian to reappear but I doubt a man with half a head emerges from the darkness to kill paulie. (I hope i'm wrong though!)

[Bulldogcakes]

11 hours and counting. . . .

[cougarjake13]

11 hours and counting. . . .

6 hours 18 minutes

[epo]

I scanned everyone's theories but didn't see this one:

I think Paulie gets offed by the Russian from the Pine Barrens. The Russian storyline has been hanging out there unresolved for several seasons, It would be a perfect closure.

I've seen a few interviews with David Chase and he constantly reiterates that the Russians are gone & never coming back.

[BoondockSaint]

Maybe Phil sends for someone over in Italy to kill Tony and it turns out to be Furio.

[cougarjake13]

Maybe Phil sends for someone over in Italy to kill Tony and it turns out to be Furio.

havent heard that one yet

[Bulldogcakes]

90 minutes. . . .

[deliciousV]

My stupid thoughts, and keep in mind, I drink. The shrink will buy it when the bad guys go looking for Tony at her office, she may have saved him buy firing him. And here goes the wine induced theory. Uncle Jr, after being kicked out of the looney bin he's been pissing himself in (remember, his money ran out) will somehow stumble upon the house Tony is holed up in, I couldn't tell if it was Junior's house or T's moms, but Junior will wander off and end up there. And in the end somehow keep Tony from getting whacked......this I pray, Amen. I am a nervous wreck though, I don't want anymore of the Soprano gang to die, God forbid.


What? No fireworks for post number 100, what a jip!

[lleeder]

My stupid thoughts, and keep in mind, I drink. The shrink will buy it when the bad guys go looking for Tony at her office, she may have saved him buy firing him. And here goes the wine induced theory. Uncle Jr, after being kicked out of the looney bin he's been pissing himself in (remember, his money ran out) will somehow stumble upon the house Tony is holed up in, I couldn't tell if it was Junior's house or T's moms, but Junior will wander off and end up there. And in the end somehow keep Tony from getting whacked......this I pray, Amen. I am a nervous wreck though, I don't want anymore of the Soprano gang to die, God forbid.


What? No fireworks for post number 100, what a jip!

I heard that the house was said by producers to be neither the mothers house or Uncle Juniors. It is a new safehouse that they use from time to time but never appeared on the show til last episode.

[deliciousV]

I heard that the house was said by producers to be neither the mothers house or Uncle Juniors. It is a new safehouse that they use from time to time but never appeared on the show til last episode.

Well that would have been good to know before I let my drunken theorys fly off into cyberspace. Fuck it, at least I never bet any tats on it, and I'm already bald.
It really did look like Jr's place though.

[lleeder]

Well that would have been good to know before I let my drunken theorys fly off into cyberspace. Fuck it, at least I never bet any tats on it, and I'm already bald.
It really did look like Jr's place though.

Its ok I liked where you were going with everything. Drink more and keep thinking.

[Bulldogcakes]

26 minutes. . . . .

[cupcakelove]

24 minutes....

[deliciousV]

Its ok I liked where you were going with everything. Drink more and keep thinking.

No more thinking, just drinking, and worrying. I'm afraid Paulie's gonna get it, or worse yet, flip and be one of Phil's boys. Phil remind's me too much of my uncle Randel, he was scary, no funny bone.

[yarpwizard]

17 minutes

[johnniehardrock]

Ok I have two thoughts on how this will end.

1. Tony is killed by Janice
2. He takes his family and goes to the FBI and turns rat.

Why does it have to end...........

[Bulldogcakes]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/mly0846l.jpg

[Bulldogcakes]

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/FiveMinutes.COVER.gif

[Bulldogcakes]

http://www.maidenfans.com/imc/pictures/pictures05_powerslave/single11_2minutes_a_small.jpg

[deliciousV]

aahhh fuck, here we go......the end.

[KnoxHarrington]

AWWWWWW BUDDAYS here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[deliciousV]

so much for the Phil Leantardo show.........fucker! ha ha

[Gmann]

Other than Phil getting it in the head....


this episode sucks!!


5 minutes left. DAZZLE ME!!!

[EMAN]

Here it comes!

[JPMNICK]

so is tony dead or what?

[Gmann]

What The Fuck Just Happened ?

[EMAN]

What the shit was that?

E

[Bossanova]

Fucking awful

[Marc with a c]

so is tony dead or what?

yes. those were poisoned onion rings.

what the fuck?

[deliciousV]

last episode.......cliff hanger? WTF

[Bulldogcakes]

You cant be fucking serious

[KnoxHarrington]

what The Fuck Was That Shit

[tele7]

Donk!!!!

[EMAN]

Fucking awful

I cant believe that is how they are ending it.

[KnoxHarrington]

Donk!!!!

Yeah, that was like the way Ronnie ends a show.

"So Meadow comes running in, Tony looks up, and then..."

"And that's the end of this series, donk."

[Gwen]

I can't believe I wasted so many years of my life for that.

[Bossanova]

I cant believe that is how they are ending it.

I just spit at my tv

[docgoblin]

That was rediculous!!!!

Hey.. Joe Strummer!!!

[Bulldogcakes]

what The Fuck Was That Shit

That was Chase giving the middle finger to his entire audience.

Great series, lousy ending.

[drusilla]

so they live happily ever after


ghey

[EMAN]

And thats the end of our show.

[Gmann]

OK....I repeat...


WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT ??

[HBox]

Remember how Tony wondered this season if when you are whacked you even know it when it happens? That's what happened.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

David Chase is giving all you action-seekers a big hearty "Fuck You" by personally directing that episode.

But yeah, what the fuck was that anyway?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

what a waste of an hour

[lleeder]

I think the cat walked into the door next.

[El Mudo]

Best ending ever....



I love David Chase for making so many people angry...


beautiful, beautiful, beautiful...


hahahahaahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kdubya]

So that was the end, cut to black? I thought for sure my cable went out.

[Landblast]

it all ended well for the Soprano family, whatya gonna do?

[Bossanova]

Remember how Tony wondered this season if when you are whacked you even know it when it happens? That's what happened.

Be that as it may, I wanna see that motherfuckers head explode. I didnt waste 7 years for onion rings

[TheGameHHH]

i cant remember a time in my life i was so let down at the end of a television series.

[EMAN]

Remember how Tony wondered this season if when you are whacked you even know it when it happens? That's what happened.

Good point I completely forgot about that. But the ending still sucks ass.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Remember how Tony wondered this season if when you are whacked you even know it when it happens? That's what happened.

It was Lee Harvey Oswald, goddamn it

[runnerkid]

Remember how Tony wondered this season if when you are whacked you even know it when it happens? That's what happened.

this kinda blew my mind.

[JustJon]

David Chase can go fuck himself. That is all.

[hammersavage]

David Chase IS punk rock....he really douched us....

[CJJames]

So, was ending it at the second Chase did a cop-out (pun intended)?

Any evidence from fans that either the bathroom guy or the trucker guy with the sugar were seen in a prior episode as FBI or hit men?

Do you think that the fact they used Journey will send Ronnie over the egde? :-)

[JPMNICK]

wow people are fucking pissed about this! I am glad I was not letdown. I guess I will not be buying this season on DVD when it comes out.

[lleeder]

I have to give him alot of credit, Mikey. I was so tense the whole time that scene was goin on. Remember "Don't stop believing...in another season..gee gee gee"

[drusilla]

my uncle just called from cali to tell me that he thinks they were all shot by the dude in the members only jacket. i was like why. he said ny would be pissed over phil. i was like i coudlnt disagree more because they knew phil was getting out of control & they were up for it. plus little carmine is helping out aj with a job. gay. if they really got shot they should have showed it instead of this crap.

[cupcakelove]

The Journey certainly put me over the edge. Probably the most annoying few minutes ever on the Sopranos.

[Gmann]

It almost made me not like DONT STOP BELIEVING by Journey




Almost

[kdubya]

Remember how Tony wondered this season if when you are whacked you even know it when it happens? That's what happened.

OK that makes sense, a wacking from Tony's point of view, that is a cool ending.

[runnerkid]

if he did get killed, and the whole "do you even know it" thing is what it is. i kinda dig it. the more i think about it, i really like it. i dont know. i will have to rewatch tomm and see if i can pick up on some more stuff.

[Dash77]

Mine cut out in the last moments all I saw was Medow getting ready to go in then nothing

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I also thought my cable went out...but then I thought, could this last scene quite possibly be the first scene in a possible movie?

[Bossanova]

I just may cancel HBO, throw my Directv box down the toilet and fuck my mother

[cupcakelove]

I wish I could say I was surprised that it ended like that, but this show was full of incomplete story lines, it only makes sense they went out that way.

[lleeder]

That was yust a disappointing ending.

[Captain Rooster]

Honestly, this is the first episode I have ever seen ... BUT fans must be fucking pissed. I have no desire to watch the box sets I was planning to buy/rent if this episode was great--I woulda just called my experience, en media res.

UGH ... sorry fans.

[Tenbatsuzen]

i cant remember a time in my life i was so let down at the end of a television series.

Seinfeld.

[EMAN]

my uncle just called from cali to tell me that he thinks they were all shot by the dude in the members only jacket. i was like why. he said ny would be pissed over phil. i was like i coudlnt disagree more because they knew phil was getting out of control & they were up for it. plus little carmine is helping out aj with a job. gay. if they really got shot they should have showed it instead of this crap.

Right on!

[Gmann]

Right now David Chase is at home laughing his motherfucking ass off at all of us right now.

You know that right ??

[extracheese]

After the second or third episode this season...when i ranked out the show..people came back and said it was great. I stuck by my position all season and this finale proved me right...they were 1- 8.
Only last weeks show was deserving of a thumbs up. So much idle blather and chit chat that amounted to nothing. Im certain that if i and a few of you guys got together for a sunday - we could have come up with a better script for these final 8 shows.
But i shouldnt be surprised. Can you compare Simpsons today to the first seasons? Or Married with Children when it was great (Steve Rhodes) vs the crap they put out with Jefferson Darcy? Or All in The Family vs Archie Bunkers place.
Same thing.

I will enjoy the reruns on A&E and try to forget season 8 ever existed.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Honestly, this is the first episode I have ever seen ... BUT fans must be fucking pissed. I have no desire to watch the box sets I was planning to buy/rent if this episode was great--I woulda just called my experience, en media res.

UGH ... sorry fans.

And just think, for most fans, that's the first Rooster they're hearing.

wait, what?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Right now David Chase is at home laughing his motherfucking ass off at all of us right now.

You know that right ??

Don't forget laughing on his big bag of cash.

[lleeder]

Mine cut out in the last moments all I saw was Medow getting ready to go in then nothing

After that a bunch of hitmen threw a bomb in through the window and all of the Sopranos were burnt into chared corpses. Really too graphic for my tastes.

[HBox]

I loved the ending, the whole "Do you even know when it happens" thing. The rest of the episode? Moved way too fast. Half the scenes ended way before they should have. Way too rushed. But I loved that ending. Brilliant.

[El Mudo]

Right now David Chase is at home laughing his motherfucking ass off at all of us right now.

You know that right ??



And thats what makes this the best ending ever....

[tele7]

I wonder how John from Cincinnati will end?

[extracheese]

No the guy in the jacket who walked into the bathroom...was JUST THAT... jsut a dude going to the bathroom. I think that was Chase's point. Life goes on, and the lives of this Family will go on as if nothing happened to them recently.

[EMAN]

Oh well let down again. Night buddays.

[oh_kee_pa]

amazing ending...
the guy that went into the bathroom was Tony's father....

i loved the no music when the credits ran...

great ending

[Bulldogcakes]

Remember how Tony wondered this season if when you are whacked you even know it when it happens? That's what happened.

Thats the best explanation I've heard yet. Bravo.

[KnoxHarrington]

But there's no reason to whack Tony. Peace was made with NY, and while that one dude wouldn't tell Tony exactly where to go to whack Phil, he also made it clear that he didn't really care if it happened or not.

Look, I would have been just as disappointed if Chase did cave in to the demands of the fans and did give us the lurid, big-time finale. But, come on, give us something.

[lleeder]

HBO can't be happy.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I wonder if people will watch it.

[Dash77]

My TV went dark at the last min, WTF happend ??? Medow learns to park goes in and then WHAT???

[Bossanova]

HBO can't be happy.

What do they care, they just got their highest rating ever

[spadanko]

I liked it. I thought the NY flip was fitting, and the cliffhanger was tony will probably get indighted (sp?)

[lleeder]

I can't believe he was dead the whole time.

[Bossanova]

My TV went dark at the last min, WTF happend ??? Medow learns to park goes in and then WHAT???

Thats how it ended, hence the pissed offedness

[mattLP]

there has to be another episode or something. or just a set up for a movie.

[KnoxHarrington]

My TV went dark at the last min, WTF happend ??? Medow learns to park goes in and then WHAT???

Nothing was wrong with your TV.

[walking joint]

I loved the ending, the whole "Do you even know when it happens" thing. The rest of the episode? Moved way too fast. Half the scenes ended way before they should have. Way too rushed. But I loved that ending. Brilliant.

so you loved the ending assuming it is the "Do you even know when it happens" thing? do you even know that was happening? the only good thing about the ending was the guy fucking over all the fans with pretty much no ending. that takes balls. though i am pissed i wasted my time watching...the more i think about it the funnier it is.

[barjockey]

that was weak I hope jon from cincy is good

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Who would have guessed that Meadow would have been the one to kill Tony ?

[oh_kee_pa]

No the guy in the jacket who walked into the bathroom...was JUST THAT... jsut a dude going to the bathroom. I think that was Chase's point. Life goes on, and the lives of this Family will go on as if nothing happened to them recently.

Am I the only person that realized the guy walking into his bathroom was his father?

and this episode was great

[El Mudo]

so you loved the ending assuming it is the "Do you even know when it happens" thing? do you even know that was happening? the only good thing about the ending was the guy fucking over all the fans with pretty much no ending. that takes balls. though i am pissed i wasted my time watching...the more i think about it the funnier it is.



Exactly my point....beautiful...


He turned everyone into the hayseed at the carnival....brilliant

[HBox]

No the guy in the jacket who walked into the bathroom...was JUST THAT... jsut a dude going to the bathroom. I think that was Chase's point. Life goes on, and the lives of this Family will go on as if nothing happened to them recently.

Just a guy who went to the bathroom, who just so happened to look like he could be a member of a crew, who just so happened to be eyeballing Tony over and over, and the director just so happened to make a point of every single other person in that restaurant except for that one guy going on with their own life, who just so happened to go to a bathroom with a perfect line of sight on Tony, in a season were Tony has been wondering over and over about how his whacking would be (more accurately, how it would all end), if he would even know when it happened. That scene was done way too deliberately and there are too many coincidences.

[Bossanova]

Well at least I didnt watch the Cavs get blown out by 25 in the first half

[Dash77]

Thats how it ended, hence the pissed offedness

THATS FUCKING BULLSHIT

[Ritalin]

I don't know what to think....and maybe that's what makes it great.

I don't know.

[lleeder]

I thought the onion rings symbolized how life can be sad with a crispy coating. Tony ordered them for the whole table, which means everyone was shot. Meadow was going back in forth in her life like trying to paralell park. She hit the sides but eventually made things work out.

[tele7]

They needed the dog from the Simpsons with the shifty eyes.

[drusilla]

But there's no reason to whack Tony. Peace was made with NY, and while that one dude wouldn't tell Tony exactly where to go to whack Phil, he also made it clear that he didn't really care if it happened or not.

Look, I would have been just as disappointed if Chase did cave in to the demands of the fans and did give us the lurid, big-time finale. But, come on, give us something.



exactly! that's what i said to my uncle

[Bossanova]

So how the fuck do we know if Dave is getting tattoos or not

[HBox]

whoops.

[kevcala]

David Chase just generated more buzz for a show than I can believe. How many people are on this board right now talking about, calling friends and family, and already coming up with their own theories? All by not writing an ending at all.

Nothing he could have written could top the ammount of talk going on about this show right now.

For a show that never answered its own questions, it was a very fitting ending.

[Mafialife Chris]

exactly! that's what i said to my uncle

And prolly exactly what the world watching sopranos said too.
UGH!
The only thing i am happy about is the message, that regardless of what a cruel world this "thing of ours" is, Life does go on!

but, thats not what we all waited for.

[HBox]

so you loved the ending assuming it is the "Do you even know when it happens" thing? do you even know that was happening? the only good thing about the ending was the guy fucking over all the fans with pretty much no ending. that takes balls. though i am pissed i wasted my time watching...the more i think about it the funnier it is.

This was the only possible way to do the "Do you even know when it happens" ending. They made everything else about that scene so obvious it was almost over the top. Meadow can't park right so he gives the shooter an clear line of sight, even lining up the camera angle to show it as the guy goes into the bathroom.

[runnerkid]

..and it was all about Tony too. the whole thing. even in the meeting with AJ's shrink, he turned it into something about him. so the series should end when he does.

but i think he got killed for sure. the reason given about "do you even know it happens" would be dead on. and thats why it was just black for 10 seconds or so after.

the epp did move very fast, but i am sure there is tons of symbolism in there. i will check it out tomm.

i am glad we have to think about it, and it was not just spelled out for us.

[drusilla]

I thought the onion rings symbolized how life can be sad with a crispy coating. Tony ordered them for the whole table, which means everyone was shot. Meadow was going back in forth in her life like trying to paralell park. She hit the sides but eventually made things work out.

i think i hate you

[bigredd]

What if the guy comes out of the shitter blazin and shoots Meadow who is right in the line of sight of where T used be? What the fuck!?!?!?

[docgoblin]

The gratuitous graphic violence at the end was just too over the top! Chase didn't need to end it that way!... The horror... The horror!

[lleeder]

All that ending proved is what we knew the whole time we watched the show. David Chase can't find a way to end things. How many times over the years have you heard people say "How are they gonna explain this?" You know how? They aren't. He had ideas and never knew where they were gonna go. Rather than sit down and figure out how to tie up loose ends he came up with a gimmick ending. I don't feel cheated but I would never buy the DVDs after something like that.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And prolly exactly what the world watching sopranos said too.
UGH!
The only thing i am happy about is the message, that regardless of what a cruel world this "thing of ours" is, Life does go on!

but, thats not what we all waited for.

So I'm guessing this gets 2 pinky rings?


boooooooooo





boooooooooo

[jafter]

The worst season finale of all time. What a piece of crap. I will never watch another david chase show. HBO is ruining their series. They get you hooked in and they leave you like this. What a waste of an hour. AWFUL>>>> FUCK YOU HBO.

[walking joint]

This was the only possible way to do the "Do you even know when it happens" ending. They made everything else about that scene so obvious it was almost over the top. Meadow can't park right so he gives the shooter an clear line of sight, even lining up the camera angle to show it as the guy goes into the bathroom.

it is possible, but you really don't know. he just left a bunch of questions to keep people guessing. its just as possible though that he built up the suspense and its just a guy who recognized Tony from the paper/news and couldn't help but take peeks at the famous mobster as he waited for a waitress...he decided to take a piss(could have ordered a coffee in between shots and was waiting) and the Sopranos lived happily ever after.

[lleeder]

What about the guy sitting at the table alone? Or the black youths? They could have done them in as well.

[Bossanova]

Maybe Tony finally had the heart attack he was waiting to have

[Tenbatsuzen]

The worst season finale of all time. What a piece of crap. I will never watch another david chase show. HBO is ruining their series. They get you hooked in and they leave you like this. What a waste of an hour. AWFUL>>>> FUCK YOU HBO.

You're forgetting Seinfeld. THAT was the worst finale of all time.

[Bossanova]

You're forgetting Seinfeld. THAT was the worst finale of all time.

I have to agree with Ten. That was the worst ending ever

[furie]

well, all i can say is i'm so glad i never got into this show.

[HBox]

it is possible, but you really don't know. he just left a bunch of questions to keep people guessing. its just as possible though that he built up the suspense and its just a guy who recognized Tony from the paper/news and couldn't help but take peeks at the famous mobster as he waited for a waitress...he decided to take a piss(could have ordered a coffee in between shots and was waiting) and the Sopranos lived happily ever after.

So what? It's up to interpretation. If you don't think it makes sense, go ahead. Not everything is always tied up neatly. I think he bent over backwards and gave obvious clues to what happened. It was a season long theme running through Tony's head and that scene was so deliberately played out.

[TheGameHHH]

i think they all ate dinner and everything was pretty good except carmellas food was a little cold. because of that tony only tipped 15%. plus on top of everything meadows dinner gave her the runs later on in the night. at least, thats what i think Chase was going for. the best part about it is i'm as right as everyone else.

[Tall_James]

What was up with the cat?

[walking joint]

So what? It's up to interpretation. If you don't think it makes sense, go ahead. Not everything is always tied up neatly. I think he bent over backwards and gave obvious clues to what happened. It was a season long theme running through Tony's head and that scene was so deliberately played out.

exactly...its up to interpretation. but keep telling me why you are right.

[lleeder]

I wish the black silence started at 9.

[HBox]

What about the guy sitting at the table alone? Or the black youths? They could have done them in as well.

Except that a shot was shown of every single person in that restaurant minding their own business EXCEPT that one guy, who just so happened to be in a perfect position to cap him.

Look, if you guys need something wrapped up air tight with no loose ends every you can watch Law and Order. They're even nice enough spell out the moral of the story in case you missed.

Sorry for the snark. I couldn't resist.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

F'n David Chase is a sweet goddamn genius. He gave the fans everything they wanted in the second to last episode and then he did the last episode his way. Brilliant. That was terrific.

Brilliant ending to the greatest show of all time.

In the ending, Tony carries on. He will always be looking over his shoulder, always looking at the front door to see who is coming in next. That is his life.

To have it end any other way (wacked, jailed, flipped) would have been too cliche and not true to the show. The show proved that even in its finale, it was unlike anything else on TV.

[MikeB]

But i shouldnt be surprised. Can you compare Simpsons today to the first seasons? Or Married with Children when it was great (Steve Rhodes) vs the crap they put out with Jefferson Darcy? Or All in The Family vs Archie Bunkers place.
Same thing.

I will enjoy the reruns on A&E and try to forget season 8 ever existed.

You brought up the Simpsons and Married with Children in a sopranos discussion. And there is no such thing as season 8 of the sopranos.

All that ending proved is what we knew the whole time we watched the show. David Chase can't find a way to end things. How many times over the years have you heard people say "How are they gonna explain this?" You know how? They aren't. He had ideas and never knew where they were gonna go. Rather than sit down and figure out how to tie up loose ends he came up with a gimmick ending. I don't feel cheated but I would never buy the DVDs after something like that.
lleeder does Ron not know when the show ends because he gets cut off at the end every time when he is about to say something important or is he doing it on purpose?
Your post shows the main problem with most Sopranos "fans" in this thread. You are expecting a different show. This isn't that island show. This isn't MASH. If the show would of ended in a different way, it would of been vastly different from any other season ending.

And prolly exactly what the world watching sopranos said too.
UGH!
The only thing i am happy about is the message, that regardless of what a cruel world this "thing of ours" is, Life does go on!

but, thats not what we all waited for.
What did we wait for. More crazy violence then a man getting his dead face rolled over by a SUV.




The show ended as perfectly as it could. In a Kubrick/Max Ophüls style David Chase summed up the past and the possibilities of the future.
Some of you need to realize that Chase was very close to ending the series after season 4. He never wanted some literal ending that could be explained to all you "Furio is coming back with the Russians" people.

[mildly amusing]

i may be alone in this, but i completely dug the ending....Chase did a number of brilliant things....did anyone actually expect things to be wrapped up in a tidy package...if you've watched more than one show, you know that's not his m.o.

Most of what i read online said that fans wanted Phil to die...done and done...in a grusome manner i might add...

Hbox's theory notwithstanding, most of us sort of expected the "life goes on" ending...cue Strother Martin...which is the way we wanted it...well we got it...maybe

That last scene was incredibly tense for the viewer. That is what life is like for Tony, every minute of every day...will it be the guy in the usa hat or the two black kids that finally does him in...he never knows when it will be coming...and neither will we....

Maybe Tony dies and maybe he doesn't, but David Chase created enough fodder to fill message boards for weeks with an ending where some people think "nothing happened"

[walking joint]

F'n David Chase is a sweet goddamn genius. He gave the fans everything they wanted in the second to last episode and then he did the last episode his way. Brilliant. That was terrific.

Brilliant ending to the greatest show of all time.

In the ending, Tony carries on. He will always be looking over his shoulder, always looking at the front door to see who is coming in next. That is his life.

To have it end any other way (wacked, jailed, flipped) would have been too cliche and not true to the show. The show proved that even in its finale, it was unlike anything else on TV.

sorry, but you didn't get HBOXs memo. you got the ending wrong. please read all posts before wasting our time with your supposed ending.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I wish the black silence started at 9.

Black silence usually starts with, "you can get those best ofs done, right?"

[HBox]

exactly...its up to interpretation. but keep telling me why you are right.

EVERYTHING in film and TV is up to interpretation after it ends. Let's say they did show Tony getting shot in the head, and then showed him dying on the floor, and then fade to black. Who's to say that magical fairy's from Pluto come, resurrect Tony and give him super powers. You can't disprove it, but it makes no sense at all and doesn't fit in with anything that happened before.

I think my theory is the most obvious one, the one that makes most sense.

[MikeB]

What was up with the cat?

It was the young new object (on some level) of Tonys affection. Which by itself reminded Paulie of Chris.

[lleeder]

EVERYTHING in film and TV is up to interpretation after it ends. Let's say they did show Tony getting shot in the head, and then showed him dying on the floor, and then fade to black. Who's to say that magical fairy's from Pluto come, resurrect Tony and give him super powers. You can't disprove it, but it makes no sense at all and doesn't fit in with anything that happened before.

I think my theory is the most obvious one, the one that makes most sense.

I would have prefered the magical Pluto fairy ending.

[walking joint]

I think my theory is the most obvious one, the one that makes most sense.

i'm shocked

[deliciousV]

There was nobody left in charge of Phils gang to hit Tony, Phils second had flipped. Thats why paulie was safe sittin outside tanning and nobody was watching they're backs anymore. The old "Godfather" mafia had wars, the new mafia always has a hit or two then somebody pusses out and flips, Chase showed todays mafia for what they are. He gave us a realistic true to the times mafia story, thats how it goes.......watsamatayou?
The constant switching of camera angles at the end was to inspire paranoia in the audience, it worked. Tony was relaxed because his worry wasn't a bullet, but a subpena. To summerize.....Dave gets a Soprano family portrate on his pale Irish back.

I'm happy with the finally because none of the people I've come to like (even if they are terrible people) died.

[TheGameHHH]

20 minutes ago i was pissed off at the ending, then reading this thread since the show ended ive completly switched sides and im actually a little disappointed in myself for expecting something different. the show couldnt have ended any other way, im quite happy with how it all ended.

[badmonkey]

What about the guy sitting at the table alone? Or the black youths? They could have done them in as well.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2088/2881/1600/mycousinvinny_79.jpg

"The black yutes"

[HBox]

i'm shocked

Did I kick your dog or something?

[Gvac]

If you don't think "The Sopranos" is the greatest show in the history of television and that the finale was the most brilliant piece of writing ever, you must be a moron.

By the way, did you get a gander at the king's new wardrobe? Stunning!

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s109/GregRotten/EmperorsNewClothes.jpg

[walking joint]

Did I kick your dog or something?

no...its just what i hear in my head when i read most of your posts.

[HBox]

no...its just what i hear in my head when i read most of your posts.

Look, if I did something to offend you I'm sorry. I'm just discussing the show.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Look, if I did something to offend you I'm sorry. I'm just discussing the show.

I think he's implying that you're sounding like me.

[walking joint]

I think he's implying that you're sounding like me.

now thats funny...and true

[Tenbatsuzen]

now thats funny...and true

hey, now wait a minute...

[Marc with a c]

I think he's implying that you're sounding like me.

FACE!

[lleeder]

If you don't think "The Sopranos" is the greatest show in the history of television and that the finale was the most brilliant piece of writing ever, you must be a moron.

By the way, did you get a gander at the king's new wardrobe? Stunning!

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s109/GregRotten/EmperorsNewClothes.jpg

I've never seen such an amazing cloth. That really is amazing fabric and stiching.

[Bulldogcakes]

So what? It's up to interpretation. If you don't think it makes sense, go ahead. Not everything is always tied up neatly. I think he bent over backwards and gave obvious clues to what happened. It was a season long theme running through Tony's head and that scene was so deliberately played out.

Yep. Whats the point of showing Meadow having so much trouble parking her car if it doesn't mean anything? Chase always gives those "twist of fate" clues. Like last week when Bobby's phone rang just as he left the car. I agree with H-Box's ending. It ties up all the clues given from the final scene.

Now let me throw this out there. How did the hitman know Tony was going to be at Holsteins? The only people who knew he would be there was his immediate family. I think the answer has to be Meadow's boyfriend and/or his father Patsy Parisi. She would likely have spoke to him and told him her plans for the night. The set up had to go either through him knowingly or possibly unknowingly.

[Recyclerz]

Best. Ending. Ever.

[EffMeBoobs]

You guys are providing entertainment for me. Thank you.




I didn't watch this season at all, but I did tune into the last 5 minutes. David Chase obviously can do whatever the fuck he wants. I'm assuming he ended it the way he did because why give people what they expect to happen and the satisfaction? That would be boring. Get the people talking is what he's enjoying right now, the buzz.

[MikeB]

Yep. Whats the point of showing Meadow having so much trouble parking her car if it doesn't mean anything? Chase always gives those "twist of fate" clues. Like last week when Bobby's phone rang just as he left the car. I agree with H-Box's ending. It ties up all the clues given from the final scene.

Now let me throw this out there. How did the hitman know Tony was going to be at Holsteins? The only people who knew he would be there was his immediate family. I think the answer has to be Meadow's boyfriend and/or his father Patsy Parisi. She would likely have spoke to him and told him her plans for the night. The set up had to go either through him knowingly or possibly unknowingly.

No.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You know Chase is gonna be forced to give an explanation in a few days... or at least a public statement of what it all meant.

[walking joint]

Yep. Whats the point of showing Meadow having so much trouble parking her car if it doesn't mean anything? Chase always gives those "twist of fate" clues. Like last week when Bobby's phone rang just as he left the car. I agree with H-Box's ending. It ties up all the clues given from the final scene.

i'm probably better off going to bed then giving a serious repsonse. but i'll add MikeB is my favorite poster of the day.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I just may cancel HBO, throw my Directv box down the toilet and fuck my mother

Best post in this entire thread, Ever. :lol:

[HBox]

Yep. Whats the point of showing Meadow having so much trouble parking her car if it doesn't mean anything? Chase always gives those "twist of fate" clues. Like last week when Bobby's phone rang just as he left the car. I agree with H-Box's ending. It ties up all the clues given from the final scene.

Now let me throw this out there. How did the hitman know Tony was going to be at Holsteins? The only people who knew he would be there was his immediate family. I think the answer has to be Meadow's boyfriend and/or his father Patsy Parisi. She would likely have spoke to him and told him her plans for the night. The set up had to go either through him knowingly or possibly unknowingly.

And it makes sense that if the ending is going to be completely from Tony's perspective so that even the viewer didn't even know if it came that the viewer would also have no clue about who might or might not be scheming to have Tony killed.

Also I just remembered that they actually replayed that Tony/Bobby scene in the boat where Tony is wondering if you know when it happens just last week.

[EffMeBoobs]

You know Chase is gonna be forced to give an explanation in a few days... or at least a public statement of what it all meant.
No.

[lleeder]

Wait so Kevin Spacey was Kaiser Solce the whole time?...Oh sorry wrong thread.

[underdog]

One of the things that made the Sopranos such a great show was the tension it created and keeping you, sort of, on the edge of your seat. And for the last 10 minutes of the finale, that's what everyone was doing. Just waiting for something big to happen. And nothing did.

That ending was fucking brilliant.

[PhilDeez]

Yep. Whats the point of showing Meadow having so much trouble parking her car if it doesn't mean anything? Chase always gives those "twist of fate" clues. Like last week when Bobby's phone rang just as he left the car. I agree with H-Box's ending. It ties up all the clues given from the final scene.

Now let me throw this out there. How did the hitman know Tony was going to be at Holsteins? The only people who knew he would be there was his immediate family. I think the answer has to be Meadow's boyfriend and/or his father Patsy Parisi. She would likely have spoke to him and told him her plans for the night. The set up had to go either through him knowingly or possibly unknowingly.

Not that I agree with the Tony got whacked theme. However, AJ's girlfriend was with him when Carm told him they would be dining at the Ice Cream Parlor. Earlier in the episode Tony said, "Who would she tell anyway.." as she was leaving the safe house.

I know, farfetched.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

If you want to believe Tony was wacked, it doesn't have to be so elaborate. He could simply have been followed.

[CJJames]

>>In the last episode, Phil Leotardo is killed, while Tony seems to have hidden successfully. He comes out of hiding to spend time with his family in a restaurant in the last few minutes of the final episode. Several suspicious characters enter and Meadow has trouble parking her car. Just as she enters the restaurant, Tony looks up and it dramatically cuts to a silent black screen for a time before the credits are shown, leaving the ending open. The quick cut is thought to imply the ambiguity and the open ended nature of the series ending. Some perceive the ending as a way of fooling the audience into thinking their televisions had turned off at a crucial moment after minutes of suspense building.<<

[Bulldogcakes]

And it makes sense that if the ending is going to be completely from Tony's perspective so that even the viewer didn't even know if it came that the viewer would also have no clue about who might or might not be scheming to have Tony killed.

Also I just remembered that they actually replayed that Tony/Bobby scene in the boat where Tony is wondering if you know when it happens just last week.


Another piece of ammo for those who think nothing happened. Every episode of the Sopranos would fade to black at the end of a scene wrapping up in some way (exit music), with credits rolling within a few seconds. This one went suddenly to black, stayed black for what seemed like forever and then went to credits with no music playing. First time I ever remember that happening. I have to assume Chase does things for a reason.

[topless_mike]

maybe that dood that was looking at tony funny was a terrorist with a bomb under his coat.
you would never see it coming. but why would he go into the shitter? why not just set it off at the counter.

remember, aj was talking about getting past the hate. how would he feel if it actually affected his affluent, north jersey ass somehow.

actually, i wasnt planning on a big ending. i know better than that.
i thought either:

a) tony was going to give up the life, now that any kind of major threat is eliminated. he has had a thing for family since his shooting. maybe he was going to realize that the mafia life wasnt for him anymore.

b) the 4 of them would be all happy-go-fucking-lucky, like a normal family with no worries and like nothing ever happened to them, which would have worked, except the episode decided to go black at the last minute.


i dunno.

[MikeB]

Another piece of ammo for those who think nothing happened. Every episode of the Sopranos would fade to black at the end of a scene wrapping up in some way (exit music), with credits rolling within a few seconds. This one went suddenly to black, stayed black for what seemed like forever and then went to credits with no music playing. First time I ever remember that happening. I have to assume Chase does things for a reason.

Not true. I can recall an episode where a picture stayed on the screen (believe it was when Chris went back to his house).

Bulldog, did you just start watching this season or do you often miss episodes?

[kevcala]

Some perceive the ending as a way of fooling the audience into thinking their televisions had turned off at a crucial moment after minutes of suspense building.<<

It reminded me of the bit where Andy Kaufman wanted to intentionally mess up the vertical hold of one of his specials so the audience would think their TV was messed up.

[Mike Teacher]

That ROCKED when the lights came on and Bob was in the old bed and Suzanne Phleshete? Holy SHIT the audience went batshit!

[kdubya]

Seinfeld.

Right on

[kevcala]

. . . and can I also just say how I think the way Chase wrapped up the AJ thing was great.

Here AJ was, about to do something that he think mattered to the world, when Tony just flipped some cash at him, gave him the easy life and immediately AJ forgot all about the problems of the world.

[flavopop]

All I know is that THE SHIELD would never dick us around like that! They come thru with action and GREAT STORY lines every friggin year! Their season finales are 2nd to NONE.. That was awful! David Chase better go into hiding...Seeeee yaaaaa

[KnoxHarrington]

If the point of the ending is that Tony was killed, what's the harm in showing the guy with the gun coming at him? If the point is that their lives are just going to go on as they've been, and nothing's changed, why not show Meadow settle into the booth? Neither one weakens anything dramatically.

Someone said it above. They went for the cheap gimmick ending.

[weezcase]

after some reflection, i think the ending was great. it sets up a movie perfectly, imagine the movie starts where the series ended and tony fights of the dude coming outta the bathroom and saving his family, then trying to figure out what the hell is going on and who in new york/new jersey is behind the attempted hit

i think that would be a great start to a movie, the story is already there

[kevcala]

. . . and am I a little too far out in thinking that if the guy going in the bathroom did shoot Tony, could it not have been a reference to Michael Corleone getting the gun from the bathroom before he shot Sollozzo and McCluskey? I know that noone frisked the guy at the counter, it was just something I noticed.

[kdubya]

. . . and am I a little too far out in thinking that if the guy going in the bathroom did shoot Tony, could it not have been a reference to Michael Corleone getting the gun from the bathroom before he shot Sollozzo and McCluskey? I know that noone frisked the guy at the counter, it was just something I noticed.

When the dude went into the bathroom I said to my wife "He is going to get the gun form under the toilet."
I was thinking the exact same thing

[MikeB]

If the point of the ending is that Tony was killed, what's the harm in showing the guy with the gun coming at him? If the point is that their lives are just going to go on as they've been, and nothing's changed, why not show Meadow settle into the booth? Neither one weakens anything dramatically.

Someone said it above. They went for the cheap gimmick ending.
Who is this they. Chase came up with this all on his own.
The point was the future could be anything. Illness, starting over his crew, flipping, being alone in jail, and being killed.