Sopranos Thread

[Kevin]

Did not see one.. So, decided to start one... 10MIN AWAY.. ENJOY!

[shittyhambrgers]

like many, i've lost interest in the show... but nostalgia wins. plus a decent track record. so i'll give it a shot. hopefully something decent happens b/c if the first episode is slow...

[PapaBear]

Kevin's got the first post, so I'll stick with this one over Hottub's.

[Don Stugots]

i didnt see Kevins. sorry.

Christopher gets it in the head.

[shittyhambrgers]

i didnt see Kevins. sorry.

Christopher gets it in the head.

as much as i love chris... absolutely! back of the head, execution style.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Meadow Soprano nude scene?

[BoxerAF]

here we go

[Gvac]

Once again I'll give it a shot. I've been horribly disappointed the past two seasons. Hopefully they can regain some of the early magic.

[BoxerAF]

me too gvac, but i'm in it thisdeep might as well stay til the end

[yarpwizard]

At least Vito's dead , we don't have to deal with that shit again.

[Drunky McBetidont]

do not pass go, go directly to jail.

[BoxerAF]

but what about johnny cakes.

[PapaBear]

Since when are hollow points illegal? Or is just because they're in an illegal gun?

[Kevin]

Why has AJ turned into George Michaels??

[BoxerAF]

Meadow Soprano Civil Rights attorney.

[BoxerAF]

Hollow Points are Illegal in NY & NJ except for law enforcement

[PapaBear]

Hollow Points are Illegal in NY & NJ except for law enforcement
Oh.

[Kevin]

Did he just accept a gun like that, after he just got pinched for a gun charge??

[PapaBear]

Did he just accept a gun like that, after he just got pinched for a gun charge??
Yeah. Crazy.

[BoxerAF]

It dosen't matter they have stuff on the civy market thats close enough, and with mail order and the internet it really dosent matter.

[BoondockSaint]

I just want to choke Janice every time she opens her mouth.

[BoxerAF]

but never mind that did u see that Assaul Rifle. Thats going to come back this season.

[Kevin]

I just want to choke Janice every time she opens her mouth.

Every time i see her, period!

[BoxerAF]

Every time i see her, period!

Thats what shes there for. You just got to hate her.

[Kevin]

HA! I'd rather he fuckin shot me, than cut my hair.

[PapaBear]

That Carmella is a good woman. Birthday head rules.

[Kevin]

What in the blue hell is this???

[drusilla]

that's how we played monopoly too

[Kevin]

Here we go.. that lasted long..

[BoondockSaint]

What was her name, Tony?

Your ass.

[Kevin]

Bobby wants to get whacked??

[drusilla]

oh shit

[Kevin]

under the boardwalk, with his shlong in Jan's mouth!

[PapaBear]

The Monopoly houses stuck to his house were a nice touch.

[drusilla]

The Monopoly houses stuck to his house were a nice touch.

i thought so too. it made me giggle.

[BoxerAF]

Holy shit.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

This is Howard Cosell

Down Goes Soprano Down goes Soprano

[PapaBear]

Has Tony ever lost a fight before?

"You beat me fair and square". Nice.

[BoondockSaint]

Was that the bell tolling for thee?

[BoxerAF]

Oh yeah. Tonys Dead this year.

[Kevin]

Tony is getting dangerously wacky

[BoxerAF]

Yeah he's unhinged.

[Kevin]

How fuckin sloppy was that??

[PapaBear]

Drummer brains.

[BoxerAF]

Yeah that was ugly.

[BoxerAF]

Good start, a lot of water in this episode. Budweiser was the product placement.

[yarpwizard]

Not a bad episode....I thought Bobby was going to sleep with the fishes.

[Kevin]

Good start, a lot of water in this episode. Budweiser was the product placement.

Don't forget Pelagrino and Shop rite.

[Hottub]

OK. They are building a RICO case against Tony. This is a bad thing.
Bobby finally broke his cherry. Is this a positive? Did he get the right guy?

[Swannee]

How good an actor is James Gandalfini? Tony Soprano has to be one of the worst people ever on TV, but I don't know one person who watches that doesn't love him.

[BoxerAF]

Don't forget Pelagrino and Shop rite.
Hey Yeah, I overlooked those.

[Judge Smails]

Don't forget Pelagrino and Shop rite.

Hey Yeah, I overlooked those.

Don't forget the Parker Brothers and all the hard work they put into creating the Monopoly game.

[PapaBear]

Kettle One Vodka and Bombay Saphire Gin were prominently displayed. They had a bottle of Frangelica, but it didn't show the lable. Oh, and Kettle One and Bombay Saphire are my favorite vodka and gin.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

I hate Tony as a person, but, man, do I admire his tactical skills. Having Bobby wack that guy was brilliant. Is Tony going to hold the grudge or is he going to consider it "even" now and go ahead and bring him along like they discussed in the boat?

I loved that Sopranos episode. The show has really gotten into my head. All the water and bell ringing had me flashing back to Sal Bonpensiero.

I loved that unspoken tension when Bobby and Tony left for the meeting. Then, Janice beating around the bush with Carmela followed by Janice's relief that her husband returned home.

[Servo]

Good episode... if they go with the "Tony winds up in the can" ending, my money's on Bobby to turn state's evidence against him and go into the program. That was his first murder, and the guilt will be too much for him. He can't handle it, which of course is why Tony ordered him to do it in the first place... almost like Tony was saying "you may have kicked my ass, but you're not man enough for this."

[drusilla]

OK. They are building a RICO case against Tony. This is a bad thing.
Bobby finally broke his cherry. Is this a positive? Did he get the right guy?

i noticed the guys tattoo in the picture & then saw it on him in the laundromat. i wasn't sure if it was him either until i saw the tattoo.

[Recyclerz]

OK, this is a minor point but i'm asking anyway. The image of the rowboat bumping up against the dock (shown a couple of times): Allusion to the last line of The Great Gatsby? Generic symbol of an upcoming storm? Am I reaching too far? You decide

[Bay Ridge Tim]

OK, this is a minor point but i'm asking anyway. The image of the rowboat bumping up against the dock (shown a couple of times): Allusion to the last line of The Great Gatsby? Generic symbol of an upcoming storm? Am I reaching too far? You decide

It was a double reference. The whole water and bell thing reminds Tony of wacking Big Pussy. The setting and the lake and the boat was also a reference to Godfather 2

[MikeB]

It was a double reference. The whole water and bell thing reminds Tony of wacking Big Pussy. The setting and the lake and the boat was also a reference to Godfather 2

Yea at that point he was probably wondering what to do with Bobby. Also notice how Janice got pissed at him sitting there as if she knew he was plotting some sort of revenge (killing him or something else). I don't know if the water and bell thing would remind Tony of Pussy because I dont remember a bell there and usually when they call back to Pussy its through the fish. I do think Bobby was worried Tony was going to kill him. It seemed odd Janice was suddenly feeling some guily for her killing Richie Apriel, I guess she was trying to confess her sins in hopes of Bobby not being killed.
I do believe Carmella had no idea that Tony wacking Bobby was a possibility. David Chase said in his commentary on season 6 part 1 that there was no way Carmella would know that Tony had anything to do with Ade's death which makes me believe Carmella does not suspect her husband has/can/will kill someone.

Ya got to think Tony may of got a little more respect for Bobby and now believes he can trust him to get the job done and to have loyality. Towards the end of season 5 he began to somewhat stick up for Janice but not to any great point but tonight was the first time he actually stood up for her.

The "this is how we play monoply" was about how the sopranos act towards each other and forshadowed Bobby having enough with how Tony and Janice act towards each other.

[peewee]

i liked this first episode a lot. i think a lot has been set up so far. it seems tony dosn't trust christopher as much as he has in the past. and just when tony seemed to be comming around towards bobby, he fucks it up and sucker punches the boss. seems like its going to be a good ending to a great show. and i have to say i like this thread, its not a huge bitch fest like some other message boards i have been to in the past.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

I don't know if the water and bell thing would remind Tony of Pussy because I dont remember a bell there and usually when they call back to Pussy its through the fish.

The "this is how we play monoply" was about how the sopranos act towards each other and forshadowed Bobby having enough with how Tony and Janice act towards each other.

Remember that a fish jumped out of the water while the four of them were sitting there? It jumped out real quick, Janice saw it and pointed it out. I'm pretty sure that whenever Tony is looking out over a body of water, he thinks of Puss.

The Monopoly thing was also great with Tony stealing from the bank. Even with a board game with his wife, sister and brother-in-kaw, he can't deny who he really is.

Damn this show. You gotta watch it multiple times to catch everything.

[MikeB]

Remember that a fish jumped out of the water while the four of them were sitting there? It jumped out real quick, Janice saw it and pointed it out. I'm pretty sure that whenever Tony is looking out over a body of water, he thinks of Puss.

The Monopoly thing was also great with Tony stealing from the bank. Even with a board game with his wife, sister and brother-in-kaw, he can't deny who he really is.

Damn this show. You gotta watch it multiple times to catch everything.

Yea and I wonder if Bobby resembling pussy and how pussy and tony use to crack and him together has a meaning. And remember Tony wanted to have Bobby take Pussys role as Santa.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

Yea and I wonder if Bobby resembling pussy and how pussy and tony use to crack and him together has a meaning. And remember Tony wanted to have Bobby take Pussys role as Santa.

That was great. That was the classic "F*** you, Santa!" episode. Bobby was no good at it because he claimed he was shy.

[nassue]

really good episode
at first i thought the arrest was a bit of a call back to the "shocker" in last season's first episode with Tony getting shot.

but the monopoly scene was fantastic.
seems to me like Tony wants to retire

all i know is if they finish off the series with phil from the New York wacking Tony or sending out the order; I'm going to be pretty dissappointed

[ozzie]

Don't forget Pelagrino and Shop rite.

"Willie Wonka's Laffy Taffy"

[ralphbxny]

I feel like it was filled with clues i wont get till the season goes on. I think they are setting up a Bobby Bacala turn on Tony with the Feds.

[Furtherman]

Fantastic episode. I was with Bobby beating up Tony - not for what he said - but for playing that dumb ass jackpot for free parking rule - which I HATE. But, I figure the Sopranos would play that way (and stealing from the bank - that was great).

The hotel on Tony's cheek. Loved that.

As stated above - so many refrences and ways this season could go. Only 8 more, and I predict every episode to be killer.

Good call Drusilla on the tattoo. I was wondering if he killed the wrong guy too, because I missed it in the picture.

[King Imp]

That Carmella is a good woman. Birthday head rules.

An assault rifle and a blowjob complete with swallow. Can a birthday get any better?

Bobby is so screwed after that hit. First the guy rips part of his shirt off, which probably contains DNA (remember Bobby and Tony talking about that in the boat?)
Then he just leaves the gun there. I didn't see him wearing gloves so it has to have his fingerprints on it.

I think he is getting whacked after getting arrested. It would be too lame for it to be Bobby who brings down Tony after all this time. Then again, this is Sopranos-Lite we are talking about here.

[Furtherman]

Bobby is so screwed after that hit. First the guy rips part of his shirt off, which probably contains DNA (remember Bobby and Tony talking about that in the boat?)
Then he just leaves the gun there. I didn't see him wearing gloves so it has to have his fingerprints on it.

I think he is getting whacked after getting arrested. It would be too lame for it to be Bobby who brings down Tony after all this time. Then again, this is Sopranos-Lite we are talking about here.

GREAT point about the DNA talk. That could come into play.

He was wearing gloves though. No fingerprints.

[King Imp]

GREAT point about the DNA talk. That could come into play.

He was wearing gloves though. No fingerprints.

Okay, must have missed the gloves while I was looking to see if the guy had a tattoo. The shirt though is definitely gonna screw him.

[BoondockSaint]

If Janice winds up either getting Tony killed or flipping on him in the RICO case I will be so goddamn angry.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

Bobby won't get pinched.

The point of the scene was Tony making Bobby do the hit. The repercussions for Bobby will be internal and professional, not legal.

It was two-fold. Tony wanted to get even with Bobby by having him do the hit. It reminded Bobby that Tony calls the shots. It also served as a way for Bobby to prove to Tony that he is capable of doing the dirty work. Tony talked to Bobby in the boat about needing someone to fill Christopher's diminishing role, but I doubt Tony would trust someone who hadn't "popped his cherry."

My guess is that this goes somewhere dark for Bobby.

Another thing, he wouldn't have dropped the gun if it had his prints on it. These men are professionals.

[Snacks]

Bobby won't get pinched.

The point of the scene was Tony making Bobby do the hit. The repercussions for Bobby will be internal and professional, not legal.

It was two-fold. Tony wanted to get even with Bobby by having him do the hit. It reminded Bobby that Tony calls the shots. It also served as a way for Bobby to prove to Tony that he is capable of doing the dirty work. Tony talked to Bobby in the boat about needing someone to fill Christopher's diminishing role, but I doubt Tony would trust someone who hadn't "popped his cherry."

My guess is that this goes somewhere dark for Bobby.

Another thing, he wouldn't have dropped the gun if it had his prints on it. These men are professionals.

I agree with you that it was to show that Tony is the boss and calls the shots. But I do think the DNA thing will come into play. A shirt does not rip off that easy and they made a point to show his chest hair. He was wearing gloves but I think the DNA boat talk and then this happening will turn into something. That was the first thing I talked about as soon as the show ended.

[Furtherman]

By the way, did anyone see the death recap HBO played yesterday? It was basically a musical montage of everyone who had ever died and what episode it was.

And the best is they show the Russian in the woods running away. And it says the episode. A quick thought - oh wow - he really is dead! But then they stick a little "?" on the screen. Hysterical. That's for all the "What happened to the Russian?!" crybabies.

[ChimneyFish]

I missed the gloves while I was watching it, and I forgot about the shirt until I opened the thread. I was wondering at the time what kind of rip-away "Hulkster" shirt this fucker is wearing.



It's going to be interesting to see what comes of this. Like BRT said, I'd rather it turn Bobby into some sort sicko, than for it to be the much more obvious "he gets pinched and rats on Tony" angle.

[MikeB]

Havent heard R&F today yet but O&A are so dumb about the Sopranos. For a show that always yells at their callers for "not getting the show they are listening to" they really are idiotic when they talk about the Sopranos. I wish David Chase would call up yelling, "TURNN YOUR TV OFFF IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT." They clearing have never liked the show if they did not like last nights. They complain about Dr. Melfi when she plays probably the second most important role. For some odd reason Opie thinks David Chase does shots to make the viewer think the FBI is watching him, what the hell is he talking about. They want people being killed every episode and as Ron mentioned last year, that is not what the show is about.
These were the first people I heard saying they didnt like last night. Last night was one of the best season starts ever. It had a feel of a season finale as the tension was constant through out.

[Furtherman]

Havent heard R&F today yet but O&A are so dumb about the Sopranos. For a show that always yells at their callers for "not getting the show they are listening to" they really are idiotic when they talk about the Sopranos. I wish David Chase would call up yelling, "TURNN YOUR TV OFFF IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT." They clearing have never liked the show if they did not like last nights. They complain about Dr. Melfi when she plays probably the second most important role. For some odd reason Opie thinks David Chase does shots to make the viewer think the FBI is watching him, what the hell is he talking about. They want people being killed every episode and as Ron mentioned last year, that is not what the show is about.
These were the first people I heard saying they didnt like last night. Last night was one of the best season starts ever. It had a feel of a season finale as the tension was constant through out.

Right on the money MikeB. Well said. If you catch the replay, Ron & Fez discuss the episode rationally. I was cringing listening to O&A basically sound like the typical Soprano cry baby. I expected a smarter review from Anthony, but, hey... only 8 more episodes left and we won't have to hear such statements anymore.

[Servo]

For some odd reason Opie thinks David Chase does shots to make the viewer think the FBI is watching him, what the hell is he talking about.

Yeah... when I heard Op say that about the long shots of Tony on the lake, I was fuckin' floored. May have been one of the dumbest things I ever heard him say.

[Furtherman]

For some odd reason Opie thinks David Chase does shots to make the viewer think the FBI is watching him, what the hell is he talking about.

Yeah... when I heard Op say that about the long shots of Tony on the lake, I was fuckin' floored. May have been one of the dumbest things I ever heard him say.

That, I expected. Anthony, not so much.

[Snacks]

Havent heard R&F today yet but O&A are so dumb about the Sopranos. For a show that always yells at their callers for "not getting the show they are listening to" they really are idiotic when they talk about the Sopranos. I wish David Chase would call up yelling, "TURNN YOUR TV OFFF IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT." They clearing have never liked the show if they did not like last nights. They complain about Dr. Melfi when she plays probably the second most important role. For some odd reason Opie thinks David Chase does shots to make the viewer think the FBI is watching him, what the hell is he talking about. They want people being killed every episode and as Ron mentioned last year, that is not what the show is about.
These were the first people I heard saying they didnt like last night. Last night was one of the best season starts ever. It had a feel of a season finale as the tension was constant through out.

These are the same guys who said "Lucky Louie" was good show? So glad I dont listen to them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However when you hear what they like and what they dont like you can decide that they have bad taste.

[scottinnj]

That had to be the worst start to a new season of Sopranos yet. The finale from last season had us believing some serious whacking was going to be taking place in these last 7 episodes. Tony was warned by the FBI that one of his guys was being considered as a target by the NY family. And this is while Phil was in the hospital with his heart attack.
Now we have 6 episodes left, and I wanted to see a full blown war between the two families. The hints from the monopoly episode leads me to believe that instead of a war, we are going to have a couple of whackings, but a lot of indictments and a lot of court scenes.
I've watched it from the beginning, so I have pretty much forced myself to stick it out to the end, especially after the last season which was horrible. Oh well.
I'm glad The Wire is coming back. So far, so good. Ten times better then The Sopranos. Maybe I'll keep HBO if it comes on this summer. If it is supposed to start at the end of the summer or in the fall, I won't wait.

[underdog]

Havent heard R&F today yet but O&A are so dumb about the Sopranos.

Oh man, it was fucking driving me nuts. I HATE people who just want people killed every ten minutes. There is WAY more to this show than "wacking guys". I don't get how people who didn't like the season premiere have EVER liked the show. It was everything the Sopranos has been about. There's so much depth to the show.

This season premiere was awesome, and made me really look forward to this season.

[underdog]

That had to be the worst start to a new season of Sopranos yet. The finale from last season had us believing some serious whacking was going to be taking place in these last 7 episodes. Tony was warned by the FBI that one of his guys was being considered as a target by the NY family. And this is while Phil was in the hospital with his heart attack.
Now we have 6 episodes left, and I wanted to see a full blown war between the two families. The hints from the monopoly episode leads me to believe that instead of a war, we are going to have a couple of whackings, but a lot of indictments and a lot of court scenes.
I've watched it from the beginning, so I have pretty much forced myself to stick it out to the end, especially after the last season which was horrible. Oh well.
I'm glad The Wire is coming back. So far, so good. Ten times better then The Sopranos. Maybe I'll keep HBO if it comes on this summer. If it is supposed to start at the end of the summer or in the fall, I won't wait.

There were 9 episodes left. Now there are 8. Relax. I'm sure plenty of people will die.

[MikeB]

There were 9 episodes left. Now there are 8. Relax. I'm sure plenty of people will die.

Yea him not knowing how many episodes are left really says something and also the discussing of taking out someone close to Tony was going on before Phil had the heart attack and Tony and Phil were having major problems. And it appeared when Tony visited him at bed side that Phil was moved so much that it probably caused those discussions to end. If you watch the dvds of the first part of the season David Chase says he didnt know why people thought bobby jr was watching wonderfull life when in reality he was watching casablanca. Also he said after Carmella agreed they have a nice house, "But at what price." And Chase pointed out the fading out and the screen was black without credits for the line in moonlight mile 'Just another mad mad day on the road' and said something along the lines of "there is mad days ahead."





We can't over look the Roman history in terms of a possible way to end the series. David Chase has said before he purposely named Tony's mom Livia. So you could go the route of Tony being Tiberius and dieing on an island (going by the Roman history I can recall) with the island perhaps being prison. Or you can go with the simple one of him being Julius Ceaser and having his Brutus being the end of him. But who is his Brutus? Christopher? Silv? Bobby?

[Reynolds]

4 great lines from the episode from Tony

"No risk, no reward"

"So I'm the one that had to change, you were fuckin perfect to begin with. / How the fuck am I different."

When Chris calls him to wish him happy birthday "Ehhh" hangs up

When Bobby's asking him to come to the lake house, he looks at AJ holding the black baby. "Yeah maybe that ain't such a bad idea."

[cougarjake13]

[QUOTE=mudeater;1266274]4 great lines from the episode from Tony



"So I'm the one that had to change, you were fuckin perfect to begin with. / How the fuck am I different."


QUOTE]

i totally felt like they were going goodfellas here with the how the fuck am i funny bit

[TheMojoPin]

Maybe
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[Zorro]

David Chase wins the award for turning ten minutes of dialogue into an hour show.

[Snacks]

4 great lines from the episode from Tony

"No risk, no reward"

"So I'm the one that had to change, you were fuckin perfect to begin with. / How the fuck am I different."

When Chris calls him to wish him happy birthday "Ehhh" hangs up

When Bobby's asking him to come to the lake house, he looks at AJ holding the black baby. "Yeah maybe that ain't such a bad idea."

What about "Happy Birthday" after the blow job? lol that was great

My favorite was when they were talking about how bobbys father came to the country illegaly through canada. He then says "BUt now they should build a fence" and carmela says "oh yeah" lol such hypocrites.

[MikeB]

There are a couple of new things I picked up watching it again tonight.

They story about the kid going brain dead at the pool party and Janice saying their mom use to pit the kids against each other and did not like it when her kids began to talk and express idea. I think the kid story and tony sitting out their at the dock seeing the boat has to do with tony not killing Bobby. He does not want to leave bobbys kids without a father (His kids are two daughters and a son just like the sopranos were with janice and tony) and plus the big pussy angle.

The pitty kids against each other might be a preview of what Tony might have to do with Christopher and perhaps others.



But the biggest..... Tony gets a really pissed look when he hears Bobbys daughter and her nanny singing a song about the ducks. The ducks will be back!

[celery]

I can't see how O&A didn't enjoy this episode. I thought it provided a ton of insight on to four the main characters.

I'm also glad that Bobby Bacala is coming to the forefront, as he's always been my personal favorite character, going back to one his first lines in the series, in response to Tony:

"Fat fuck. Why don't you look in a mirror sometime, you insensitive cocksucker?"

Dominic Chianese's son looks and talks exactly like him:

http://i19.tinypic.com/2hi1hd3.jpg


There are a couple of new things I picked up watching it again tonight.

They story about the kid going brain dead at the pool party and Janice saying their mom use to pit the kids against each other and did not like it when her kids began to talk and express idea. I think the kid story and tony sitting out their at the dock seeing the boat has to do with tony not killing Bobby. He does not want to leave bobbys kids without a father (His kids are two daughters and a son just like the sopranos were with janice and tony) and plus the big pussy angle.

The pitty kids against each other might be a preview of what Tony might have to do with Christopher and perhaps others.



But the biggest..... Tony gets a really pissed look when he hears Bobbys daughter and her nanny singing a song about the ducks. The ducks will be back!

[Servo]

My favorite line of the episode, during Monopoly:
Janice: "Boardwalk... I own that."
Tony: "And you blew guys under it."

[Kevin]

I can't believe they are making that fucking awful movie!

[Bossanova]

Guys dying and he cant hug his wife?

[BoondockSaint]

I can't believe they are making that fucking awful movie!

What? Cleaver looks like the best movie ever!

[J.Clints]

I am watching I am so happy

[Bossanova]

Aj needs to drop that bitch

[Kevin]

Wtf, they were engaged, now just like that, they are broken up??

[Kevin]

Wasn't Meadow going to be a lawyer??

[Bossanova]

HAHA, I love how they span 2 years and 3 ocupations without saying a word

[Kevin]

Fucking Pauly is hysterical

[Bossanova]

This show is so....................I dont know anymore

[BoondockSaint]

Fucking Pauly is hysterical

I'll miss either him or Silvio the most.

[Kevin]

Awful...

[Bossanova]

Fucking Geraldo

[Bossanova]

where can I get a Cleaver mug

[cougarjake13]

Wasn't Meadow going to be a lawyer??

i thought she was doing nursing or something

[Kevin]

Shooter!!!

[Bossanova]

HAHAHA, that is the best thing I've seen

[Kevin]

I thought they dumped syl, i was like wtf?? is this free fm??

[Bossanova]

It was wierd

[Bossanova]

She looks great after losing the 27 lbs

[Kevin]

She looks great after losing the 27 lbs

Where?? in her ankles???

[Bossanova]

Where?? in her ankles???

HAHAHAHA. She seemed proud

[Kevin]

bah

[Bossanova]

bah

Ditto

[drusilla]

what's with the ny guys always crying?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I will say the episode was OK, that is it.

If this escalates in to All Out War between to the 2 families, this will be a good set up episode

:king:

[underdog]

This was another amazing episode. It was filled with reasons why The Sopranos is one of the best and deepest shows on television. This season is shaping up to be the best, and they are putting a lot of wheels in motion for the demise of Tony. Its just great.

[Kevin]

This was another amazing episode. It was filled with reasons why The Sopranos is one of the best and deepest shows on television. This season is shaping up to be the best, and they are putting a lot of wheels in motion for the demise of Tony. Its just great.

David Chase?? Is that you??

[Bulldogcakes]

I knew Philly would never let go of his grudge. He's an old Sicilian, they never drop a grudge till the day they die. With Johnny Sacs gone, there's a power vacuum. Nobody's steering the ship, so there's nobody there to put the brakes on all these squabbles between the various family members.

Here's a scenario. To get back at Tony, Philly takes a shot at Christopher. But it fails, now because of the problems Chris is having with Tony he thinks Tony was behind it. He either flips or tries to take Tony out. My guess is he flips. He's young, not old school and he still holds a grudge over Adrianna. If he gets pinched on drug charges (very possible) then its a slam dunk, even if it takes a few episodes to get there.

I hope I'm wrong because this is all TOO obvious. But already I was right about Philly.

[MikeB]

I think junior is going to try to flip but wont be able to because odds are he would say Tony was behind JFKs death.

Is there any doubt that Tony didnt buy the shit the wings guy was giving him. But perhaps he wanted to believe it. Also who cares if they are cousins, Christohper and Carm, you do not talk to the boss's wife like that.

[lleeder]

I thought the conversation with the kids about the urn was amazing dialogue. Hilarious stuff. Who was Da Vinci? He wrote the Da Vinci Code.

[underdog]

David Chase?? Is that you??

If you've ever enjoyed more than the "wackings" on the Sopranos, how can you not like these last two episodes? You're getting even more depth to characters. They had a fucking mob boss dying of cancer for an episode. Just the fact that they've completely humanized another larger than life personality is great.

And they're setting up about 100 different endings to the show. One minute, you think Chris will kill Tony, then Carmela might be the one. Now it might be Phil. I fucking love this show.

[PigShitIrish]

Looks like Paulie won't be around much longer!

[Bulldogcakes]

I think junior is going to try to flip but wont be able to because odds are he would say Tony was behind JFKs death.

Is there any doubt that Tony didnt buy the shit the wings guy was giving him. But perhaps he wanted to believe it. Also who cares if they are cousins, Christohper and Carm, you do not talk to the boss's wife like that.

I miss uncle Jun. Funniest cast member by far.

Don't doubt for second that Tony didn't buy the Wings guy's story. You should have known that the minute he asked "What happened to your head?" but they even spelled it out explicitly when he went to Dr Melfi.

[Justice4all]

I thought the conversation with the kids about the urn was amazing dialogue. Hilarious stuff. Who was Da Vinci? He wrote the Da Vinci Code.


"Don't read that book...it's horrible...so sacreligious"


best line so far?
"How was Florida?"

"Hot and sweaty...like my balls!"

[Bay Ridge Tim]

I thought the episode was solid and the last two minutes were chilling. First Phil goes on the warpath, then Tony and Chris have a mini-staredown. Great symolism there with Tony becoming Godfather to Chris's daughter.

Best line: "So what? Newton invented gravity when someone threw an apple at him!"

Another thing: Sydney Pollack adding up the bodies. It started with his wife and wound up with the mailman. Good stuff.

[Judge Smails]

Making of "Cleaver" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=aWZehc-K2O4)

[PapaBear]

The whole thing with the Adriana/Tony connection was a very "cleaver" idea.

[led37zep]

The whole thing with the Adriana/Tony connection was a very "cleaver" idea.

Ya they don't seem to want to let that plot line die. Should be interesting where it this goes.

[PapaBear]

Ya they don't seem to want to let that plot line die. Should be interesting where it this goes.



I may be reading too much into it, but maybe the title of the movie was meant to be "Clever". I hope no one else ever brought this up before. Maybe I'm just late on this.

[Gvac]

The last 2 seasons were awful, no doubt. So far this year, the two episodes that have aired are just good enough to keep me coming back. Besides, it's almost over so I might as well stick it out.

The saddest thing to me is how everyone from the actors to the writers are basically sleepwalking through it at this point. It's always the obvious joke or retort, and Chris' scene with the writer (where he clocks him with an award) was embarrassingly poorly acted.

Looks like everyone involved with "The Sopranos" is about as sick of it as I am.

[MikeB]

Ya they don't seem to want to let that plot line die. Should be interesting where it this goes.

What did they do with ad's body? I don't think they ever said. Wonder if thats the body for next week. But it probably isnt because I think only Chris, Sil, Tony, and whoever drove her car to the airport (I forget who) knew about her being wacked.




I think this weeks episode was about people's legacies. Before he died Johnny Sac was very much worried about his asking his son in law what his was. And when he came to the conclusion that it wasn't good, he started to worry about his legacy there in springfield, telling stories which is something the old Johnny Sac would not do. Frank Vincent at the end suddenly began to worry about his legacy which could lead to violence. And through out Tony was worried about his. He knows his son by now will never be a good reflection of him and now perhaps that ship has sailed on Christopher being that.



Any episode with Hesch is good.

[MikeB]

How dumb is Opie when it comes to this show. "Johnny Sackssssssssss died." Glad he didn't see the show last night cause he probably that a shot in Cleaver was meant to show the FBI was actually filming the movie.

[cupcakelove]

Last nights episode was great. The scene where the guy (I can't remember his name) got shot was brilliant, how it just went into to slow motion, and then there was blood all over Syl's face, for a few seconds I had no idea who got shot, or what was going on. Really made me feel the confusion that I would probably experience if I was sitting there. I don't think Christopher is going to be the one turn on Tony, he still wants his approval, and is still afraid of him. With Johnny Sacks gone, there is no one to maintain control with the NY guys, things are going to get every messy.

[spadanko]

The whole thing with the Adriana/Tony connection was a very "cleaver" idea.


GEE GEE GEE

[BoondockSaint]

How great was it when the director thought he was going to make a speech and the guy came a took the mic away.

[MikeB]

With Johnny Sacks gone, there is no one to maintain control with the NY guys, things are going to get every messy.
Johnny Sack has been out of the loop of New York since he admitted being part of the mafia. I don't think Tony has talked to Johnny Sack, through anyone, since he did the Katrina deal for his house, which was before Sack took the guilty plea.



The little guy that really really doesn't like Tony (He was messing with him when he visited Phil after the heart attack) could be boss with little Carmine being killed. Chase was talking that little guy up as an actor big time saying he really liked him as an actor and worked with him on Rockford files.

[tbonesteak]

Last night's episode reeked almost as bad as the first one. The diolgue stinks. The acting is terrible - it seems like everyone is phoning it in. And the plot is boring and obvious. It's so silly it's almost unwatchable. The whole thing with Tony being a reflection of the boss in Cleaver is ridiculous. And if that turns out to be a major sticking point between him and Chris, I will be extremely disappointed. There is no action or suspense anymore. We are just going through the motions. I wish they would just end it now because they are making a mockery of the show. I wanted this season to redeem the Sopranos after the last two snore-fests. But it looks like it's just going to be more of the same crap. I'll be watching, if for no other reason than because I was such a HUGE fan in the beginning, but I'll be crinching up until the finish line.

[Furtherman]

This was another amazing episode. It was filled with reasons why The Sopranos is one of the best and deepest shows on television. This season is shaping up to be the best, and they are putting a lot of wheels in motion for the demise of Tony. Its just great.

I totally agree.

Last night's episode was even better than the previous week.

"That's the last fucking time I'm going down for that paper!" Hysterical.

And Sydney Pollack as the prison aide was great. Made Johnny feel all comfortable, gave him one last bit of hope - until death stuck him down quickly. Much like what Johnny and all men of his business did to so many in his lifetime. Brilliant.

If you're not liking this season, just stop. Let us who appreciate what it is, enjoy it.

[King Imp]

They are clearly setting it up for Tony to die. Bobby last week, Christopher and Phil this week. That said, Tony will live.

So far this season is okay. Nothing spectacular, but I'm not bored like I have been in the past. The slow motion scene in the restaurant was really well done. Like cupcakelove said, you didn't really know what was going on. Instead of thinking the obvious that someone got wacked, I for some reason thought either the gommar (sp?) puked up blood or it was some silly dream sequence.

One thing did annoy me about this latest episode though. It was really small and stupid, but it just struck a nerve with me. At the dinner table, when they were talking about going to see Chris' movie, when A.J.'s chick said to him "What, do you think you're gonna get to fuck Paris Hilton", it really pissed me off. Would people PLEASE stop thinking Skankarella is hot and that we all want to fuck her! She is awful and an overrated whore!
Now, if she would have substituted Scarlett Johannsen in there, then it would have been better.

[Furtherman]

They are clearly setting it up for Tony to die. Bobby last week, Christopher and Phil this week. That said, Tony will live.


One thing did annoy me about this latest episode though. It was really small and stupid, but it just struck a nerve with me. At the dinner table, when they were talking about going to see Chris' movie, when A.J.'s chick said to him "What, do you think you're gonna get to fuck Paris Hilton?" pissed me off. Would people PLEASE stop thinking Skankarella is hot and that we all want to fuck her! She is awful and an overrated whore!

So... you think Tony will live or die?

There is no way he will die. HBO had too much invested in the Tony Soprano character. If, for some reason, they ever want to make another two hour movie or a motion picture, he has to be around.

And as for A.J.'s chick... I'd say 95% of all girlfriends would say the same exact thing if their man said it, or would think it and give thier man the silent treatment while he scratches his head thinking what did he do wrong now. That was the most realistic line of the show.

[King Imp]

I'm thinking he lives simply because they seem to be force feeding us the characters and reasons for why they want him gone.

I wasn't saying the line was unrealistic. I was just annoyed that of all people, the first thought was to put Paris Hilton's name into the script like she is the "be all, end all" of male fantasies. She's a fucking skank.

[Furtherman]

I was just annoyed that of all people, the first thought was to put Paris Hilton's name into the script like she is the "be all, end all" of male fantasies. She's a fucking skank.

That speaks to the character's knowledge of what "celebrity" is. She's not very educated and would most likely spend her free time reading gossip mags. And what are they full of? Paris. Of course, if anyone ever said that to us we'd laugh because there is no way she'd end up on a list of celebritys we'd want to fuck (at least not for me).

[ChimneyFish]

I totally agree.

Last night's episode was even better than the previous week.

"That's the last fucking time I'm going down for that paper!" Hysterical.

And Sydney Pollack as the prison aide was great. Made Johnny feel all comfortable, gave him one last bit of hope - until death stuck him down quickly. Much like what Johnny and all men of his business did to so many in his lifetime. Brilliant.





I agree. I got a chuckle out of the paper thing, and I don't know if it was for personal reasons or if it was really well acted, but Johnny's death started to choke me up a little.

[underdog]

I agree. I got a chuckle out of the paper thing, and I don't know if it was for personal reasons or if it was really well acted, but Johnny's death started to choke me up a little.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure only the Sopranos can make me feel for a mob boss. Its such a weird emotion.

[Dougie Brootal]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure only the Sopranos can make me feel for a mob boss. Its such a weird emotion.

i always root for the bad guys.

[newport king]

AJ's chick is pregnant.

Sydney Pollack was the best thing on that show in the last 2 years.

[reillyluck]

[QUOTE=newport king;1276593]AJ's chick is pregnant. QUOTE]

with Tony's Baby.

[J.Clints]

I missed most of the show but its on dvr and im watching it later

[Kevin]

[QUOTE=newport king;1276593]AJ's chick is pregnant. QUOTE]

with Tony's Baby.

That wold be awsome..

[Bossanova]

The last 2 seasons were awful, no doubt. So far this year, the two episodes that have aired are just good enough to keep me coming back. Besides, it's almost over so I might as well stick it out.

The saddest thing to me is how everyone from the actors to the writers are basically sleepwalking through it at this point. It's always the obvious joke or retort, and Chris' scene with the writer (where he clocks him with an award) was embarrassingly poorly acted.

Looks like everyone involved with "The Sopranos" is about as sick of it as I am.

Do you ever not know how to explain things. Well said budday

[reillyluck]

[QUOTE=reillyluck;1276594]

That wold be awsome..

remember when they were watching the movie where "the boss" was telling the asian chick "you need an older man"

AJ's girl looked right at Tony.



He's sooooo going to bang her before the series ends.

[cougarjake13]

theyd be a hell of a plot twist

[Bossanova]

[QUOTE=Kevin;1276601]

remember when they were watching the movie where "the boss" was telling the asian chick "you need an older man"

AJ's girl looked right at Tony.



He's sooooo going to bang her before the series ends.

He may as well, Aj looks to be a bitch and must not be doing something correctly

[reillyluck]

[QUOTE=reillyluck;1276606]

He may as well, Aj looks to be a bitch and must not be doing something correctly

strange. you were quoting me and it says you quoted Kevin. LOL

[reillyluck]

ok now, thats weird....whats up with the posts?

[Bossanova]

Whats this all aboot

[reillyluck]

Whats this all aboot

testes.

[Bossanova]

testes.

hahaha

[BoondockSaint]

testes.

Seems to be working.

[reillyluck]

Seems to be working.



i concur.

[Kevin]

[QUOTE=Bossanova;1276617]

strange. you were quoting me and it says you quoted Kevin. LOL

I am so awsome, i now transcend posts!

[Kevin]

And now Bossanova does.

[Judge Smails]

This doesn't have anything to do with anything. I just feel so stupid I figured I might as well admit it and open myself to some well deserved abuse, but the first time Sydney Pollack showed up I thought it was David Letterman.

http://dvdtoile.com/ARTISTES/0/981.jpghttp://images.askmen.com/galleries/men/david-letterman/pictures/david-letterman-picture-1.jpg

[Bay Ridge Tim]

I don't know if anyone else checks these out, but Tim Goodman at the SF Chronicle does GREAT blog recaps of the episodes. Lots of good stuff in this one (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=24&entry_id=15430#readmore).

[led37zep]

This doesn't have anything to do with anything. I just feel so stupid I figured I might as well admit it and open myself to some well deserved abuse, but the first time Sydney Pollack showed up I thought it was David Letterman.


HOLY SHIT!!!! That is fucking scary...what the hells happened to Letterman?!

[MikeB]

Last night's episode reeked almost as bad as the first one. The diolgue stinks. The acting is terrible - it seems like everyone is phoning it in. And the plot is boring and obvious. It's so silly it's almost unwatchable. The whole thing with Tony being a reflection of the boss in Cleaver is ridiculous. And if that turns out to be a major sticking point between him and Chris, I will be extremely disappointed. There is no action or suspense anymore. We are just going through the motions. I wish they would just end it now because they are making a mockery of the show. I wanted this season to redeem the Sopranos after the last two snore-fests. But it looks like it's just going to be more of the same crap. I'll be watching, if for no other reason than because I was such a HUGE fan in the beginning, but I'll be crinching up until the finish line.
yea and a fucking storyline about Billy the singing bass isnt terrible.

[badorties]

"The Sopranos" Goes To "Chickentown" (http://idolator.com/tunes/the-sopranos/the-sopranos-goes-to-chickentown-252523.php)

i've seen this guy in a few punk docs, but never heard any of his work ... now i'm consumed with chickentown

[El Mudo]

Product placements???


All I got was AMC Popcorn

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Cant stand the Product Placement

But it is better than commercials

:king:

[Kevin]

If you've ever enjoyed more than the "wackings" on the Sopranos, how can you not like these last two episodes? You're getting even more depth to characters. They had a fucking mob boss dying of cancer for an episode. Just the fact that they've completely humanized another larger than life personality is great.

And they're setting up about 100 different endings to the show. One minute, you think Chris will kill Tony, then Carmela might be the one. Now it might be Phil. I fucking love this show.

Yea thats all fine and dandy.. BUUUUUUUUUUT.. When was the last time the Sopranos followed through on a fucking story line?? They either just leave it hanging.. Or fast forward a year and just say oh by the way.. Like Meadow and Finn.. The Russian.. Even Sundays ep.. Nothing more on Bacala.. A That hit was fucking sloppy,and B it may have been the wrong guy... And do you think a guy like Tony would really let go th fact that he got sucker punched then beat up by his bro in law, in front of his sis and wife?? No... I have grown weary of looking forward to story lines, and end of the show teasers

[SPeeDy_Freak]

For the NY family, when Johnny plea-bargained, he was dead to them at that point. His actual death (IMHO) was more as a trigger for Phil Leotadro to take control and excuses Phil from his promise to Johnny to "bury the hatchet" with Tony and Christopher.

I saw that as a pivotal moment where the violence will escalate and Christopher will end up dead. I am sure that Tony will be aware that christopher is in danger but will do nothing to protect him because he feels betrayed.

Something big is going to happen with Paulie in this episode. I am curious as to who the body is and how it ties to Paulie.

I still see the first episode (fight between Bobby and Tony - Bobby's first hit) as the critical moment. I think the feds will get to Bobby and get him to flip. Tony is looking at his legacy and is likely thinking of how he could get out. Since he is in such a prominent role in the mob family he is trapped and will likely go to jail while many of his soldiers die in the next few episodes.

[cougarjake13]

when did sacks get cancer, was it from earlier in the season which was like 2 yrs ago i didnt remember him being sick and the show opens up with him in the hospital

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Just Call Him Uncle Junior Mint

The Candy Crime Boss

:king:

[Recyclerz]

Wow. How much did that Asian kid in the loony bin with Uncle Junior remind you of that asswipe Cho down in Virginia?

[Kevin]

Wow. How much did that Asian kid in the loony bin with Uncle Junior remind you of that asswipe Cho down in Virginia?

Thats what i was thinkin.. Chase must have been thinkin, oh crap..

[extracheese]

The writers, producers, actors and everyone associated with the SOPRANOS this season, should be ashamed of themselves. This is without a doubt, a terrible dissapointment to all fans of the show. After years of developing character and theme, they leave us hanging for a year and return with 8 final shows.
These 3 so far were miserable - boring - pathetic episodes. Its baffeling as to how they could pass of this crap after such a stellar first few seasons.

3 episodes - tony and bobby having issues, Tony and Paulie have issues "yawn", some nobody gets whacked, Corrado dealing with nursing home, some nonsense about a script chris is working on, and fnally Jonny Sack dies and Phil appears to be the new dude to deal with.
This could have EASILY been done in ONE episode....60 minutes dragged into 180.

Im so disgusted i can hardly type!
FUCK DAVID CHASE UP HIS -PHONING IT IN - I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE VIEWRS - ASS!@!

[Bossanova]

The writers, producers, actors and everyone associated with the SOPRANOS this season, should be ashamed of themselves. This is without a doubt, a terrible dissapointment to all fans of the show. After years of developing character and theme, they leave us hanging for a year and return with 8 final shows.
These 3 so far were miserable - boring - pathetic episodes. Its baffeling as to how they could pass of this crap after such a stellar first few seasons.

3 episodes - tony and bobby having issues, Tony and Paulie have issues "yawn", some nobody gets whacked, Corrado dealing with nursing home, some nonsense about a script chris is working on, and fnally Jonny Sack dies and Phil appears to be the new dude to deal with.
This could have EASILY been done in ONE episode....60 minutes dragged into 180.

Im so disgusted i can hardly type!
FUCK DAVID CHASE UP HIS -PHONING IT IN - I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE VIEWRS - ASS!@!

I second this in a more mild manner. I hate this season

[Recyclerz]

The writers, producers, actors and everyone associated with the SOPRANOS this season, should be ashamed of themselves. This is without a doubt, a terrible dissapointment to all fans of the show. After years of developing character and theme, they leave us hanging for a year and return with 8 final shows.
These 3 so far were miserable - boring - pathetic episodes. Its baffeling as to how they could pass of this crap after such a stellar first few seasons.

3 episodes - tony and bobby having issues, Tony and Paulie have issues "yawn", some nobody gets whacked, Corrado dealing with nursing home, some nonsense about a script chris is working on, and fnally Jonny Sack dies and Phil appears to be the new dude to deal with.
This could have EASILY been done in ONE episode....60 minutes dragged into 180.

Im so disgusted i can hardly type!
FUCK DAVID CHASE UP HIS -PHONING IT IN - I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE VIEWRS - ASS!@!

I respectfully disagree. I think Chase is demythologizing the characters in order to remind us that they were always awful, venal people, regardless of how much fun it was to watch them. Paternalistic perhaps, but he is the storyteller and the only choice we have as the audience is to follow along or say fuck you and stop paying attention.

TS Elliot "The Hollow Men (http://www.cs.umbc.edu/~evans/hollow.html)

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

Look at what the first three episodes have done so far, with Bobby, Christopher and now Paulie. Each episode partly focued on the their relationship with Tony.

What happened in each episode? They were all given possible reasons to go along with a wacking against Tony (or to at least look the other way). Bobby might be upset about doing the hit himself and still worried about the fight. Christopher knows that Tony knows that he hates/resents him. Paulie is worried that Tony think he was the Ginny joke leak.

On the other side, Tony may also have a reason to off each one of them.

[Kevin]

Look at what the first three episodes have done so far, with Bobby, Christopher and now Paulie. Each episode partly focued on the their relationship with Tony.

What happened in each episode? They were all given possible reasons to go along with a wacking against Tony (or to at least look the other way). Bobby might be upset about doing the hit himself and still worried about the fight. Christopher knows that Tony knows that he hates/resents him. Paulie is worried that Tony think he was the Ginny joke leak.

On the other side, Tony may also have a reason to off each one of them.

And none of them will whack him.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

The writers, producers, actors and everyone associated with the SOPRANOS this season, should be ashamed of themselves. This is without a doubt, a terrible dissapointment to all fans of the show. After years of developing character and theme, they leave us hanging for a year and return with 8 final shows.
These 3 so far were miserable - boring - pathetic episodes. Its baffeling as to how they could pass of this crap after such a stellar first few seasons.

3 episodes - tony and bobby having issues, Tony and Paulie have issues "yawn", some nobody gets whacked, Corrado dealing with nursing home, some nonsense about a script chris is working on, and fnally Jonny Sack dies and Phil appears to be the new dude to deal with.
This could have EASILY been done in ONE episode....60 minutes dragged into 180.

Im so disgusted i can hardly type!
FUCK DAVID CHASE UP HIS -PHONING IT IN - I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE VIEWRS - ASS!@!

Very good analysis

I enjoy extra cheese on my Pizza

:king:

[Shecky]

It's the cool thing to hate The Sopranos MAN!!!!!!!!
You fuckin' crybabies who complain the show isn't up to par, just let things fold as they may, and stop with the fuckin', whiny David Chase hating.
Jesus Christ already, you guys sound like a bunch of bitches.
The man has given us one of the greatest shows in history and you people want to shit on him like he's giving you Archie Bunker's Place.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

And none of them will whack him.

I think Phil might, now that he has taken over NY.

[underdog]

One by one, the bosses are being offed. Some are being wacked, some are dying from cancer, and some are just going crazy. And at the same time, they are setting up characters to go after Tony. The last few episodes of this season are just going to be crazy.

[Kevin]

I was just watching the re run... Did they play an O an A screaming sound clip, when the 2 guys got whacked?? When the girls were screaming??

[Furtherman]

As a true fan I'm not one to say a season was awful nor an episode sucked. But this was, yea, a bit boring, although it did give some good insights to Tony's relationship with Paulie.

As for Uncle Junior... that might be the last we see of him in the series. The man who once was boss, now in a loony bin stroking his cat.

Tony's friend in Florida had an excellent point about Paulie not having anyone to talk to and that's why he yaps so much. You could see how hard it was for Tony. Not only to keep him alive but also not to kill him. He let him live out of loyalty, against his own nerves.

Paulie laughing like an idiot at Threes Company was great!



And yea... it was a very eerie coincidence having that nutjob lackey of Uncle Junior's be Asian.

[tupper65]

Look at what the first three episodes have done so far, with Bobby, Christopher and now Paulie. Each episode partly focued on the their relationship with Tony.

What happened in each episode? They were all given possible reasons to go along with a wacking against Tony (or to at least look the other way). Bobby might be upset about doing the hit himself and still worried about the fight. Christopher knows that Tony knows that he hates/resents him. Paulie is worried that Tony think he was the Ginny joke leak.

On the other side, Tony may also have a reason to off each one of them.

I totally agree about the rifts emerging between Tony and each member of his crew. Remember, Tony always said that he wanted to step back and let somebody else run things. Now, what can he do. He knows that nobody can, or would be able to, run the things the way that he wants it. I've got a feeling that in the end the only one who survives all this is Tony.

[KnoxHarrington]

Last night's episode was a brilliant rumination on the decline and fall of the Italian Mafia in the United States. Paulie can't shut the fuck up about the old days and the great car he and Tony's dad rode in when they went down to Florida as he and Tony are cooped up in a non-descript mini-van. They find the motel that used to have great steaks and booze and hot women is now a faceless corporate hotel where you can only get "sandwiches and wraps" after eleven "or you can go across the street and get some nachos." And the business they do isn't a big-money smuggling deal: it's a relatively small deal to sell floating devices to a Cuban gang.

I think that's the dominant emerging theme in these last episodes: the death of the mob in general. The New York mob is falling to pieces, and the New Jersey mob can't seem to stand each other. It's all coming down around them. It's like Carmella said: "We still have to do this?"

[KnoxHarrington]

One by one, the bosses are being offed. Some are being wacked, some are dying from cancer, and some are just going crazy. And at the same time, they are setting up characters to go after Tony. The last few episodes of this season are just going to be crazy.

Yeah, I'm thinking this is going to end in a relatively quick burst of violence rather than a slow resolution. The plot itself doesn't seem to be advancing all that much, but a lot of tension is being set up.

[ChimneyFish]

I was just watching the re run... Did they play an O an A screaming sound clip, when the 2 guys got whacked?? When the girls were screaming??



It's funny. O&A were just talking about how you can here that in a lot of shows/movies. It's just a common clip that people throw in.
I had a good laugh when that happened.

[Furtherman]

Last night's episode was a brilliant rumination on the decline and fall of the Italian Mafia in the United States. Paulie can't shut the fuck up about the old days and the great car he and Tony's dad rode in when they went down to Florida as he and Tony are cooped up in a non-descript mini-van. They find the motel that used to have great steaks and booze and hot women is now a faceless corporate hotel where you can only get "sandwiches and wraps" after eleven "or you can go across the street and get some nachos." And the business they do isn't a big-money smuggling deal: it's a relatively small deal to sell floating devices to a Cuban gang.

I think that's the dominant emerging theme in these last episodes: the death of the mob in general. The New York mob is falling to pieces, and the New Jersey mob can't seem to stand each other. It's all coming down around them. It's like Carmella said: "We still have to do this?"

Excellent points. Makes me appreciate the episode a little more.

[SPeeDy_Freak]

I totally agree about the rifts emerging between Tony and each member of his crew. Remember, Tony always said that he wanted to step back and let somebody else run things. Now, what can he do. He knows that nobody can, or would be able to, run the things the way that he wants it. I've got a feeling that in the end the only one who survives all this is Tony.


I feel that you and Bay Ridge Tim hit it on the head. the big thing that Tony has been looking towards since his shooting was stepping back. Unfortunately, as these episodes (and last season where Sil had his panic attack) show there is no one that he can trust to run the business.

Now, with Phil lined up to run the NY family with this week's killing and his promise to Johnny Sac no longer an issue (burying the hatchet), I can see Phil getting some revenge against Tony and taking out one of his soldiers. I still think Christopher is the main target here.

This week's episode was critical in the sense that it now ends the storyline with Junior. He has no stroke any longer and is basically set to rot in that nut house.

The boat scenes were great. Tony really struggled with whether to whack Paulie. Purely out of loyalty he decided to not act although he had legitimate reasons to kill him (talks too much and is becoming a target of the feds due to hie legitimate business interests waning).

As much as I wanted non-stop action this season, I feel that these storylines needed to be addressed.

[MikeB]

Along the lines of each member of the crew getting on Tonys bad side, on the preview for next week Tony, Paulie, and Christopher are eating at Artie's and Tony says he wont ever forget he didn't come through on this, I wonder if he is talking about Silvio. Silvio doesnt show up really in any other preview scenes and it probably isnt bobby cause tony and him show up at someones house later.


It is clear that Tonys gambling problem is becoming an issue. This series (post season two) has been about Tony looking for some thing more at many time. Looking for more of a thrill. Same for Carmella. And it appears now Tony has found that with betting and it may cost Carmella her spec house (But I suspect that scene was just about Tony saying he is saying they should sell it to someone, because of the timing, Carm doesnt want to, because of them under valuing it.)


I noticed when Tony was in bed with that young girl in florida there is a error in the scene where her tits are uncovered by the sheets one moment and then suddenly covered. I believe there is a famous scene in fatal attraction where the same thing happens. Out of risk of being someone that looks in to too much, I wonder if there is a message in that? On that girls website it says she finished the role of Tony's mistress. Most likely it means nothing except for the irony.

[cougarjake13]

[QUOTE=MikeB;1286065]Along the lines of each member of the crew getting on Tonys bad side, on the preview for next week Tony, Paulie, and Christopher are eating at Artie's and Tony says he wont ever forget he didn't come through on this, I wonder if he is talking about Silvio. Silvio doesnt show up really in any other preview scenes and it probably isnt bobby cause tony and him show up at someones house later.


QUOTE]

actually i think he's talking about phil there, b/c right before that scene tony goes up to phil and says something and phil says you're asking favors already ???

[KnoxHarrington]

I know this show's referenced the Godfather, Goodfellas, and all the other mob movies great, but there were a few Godfathers references in this episode that were rather striking. To wit:

--Paulie's first meeting with Tony in New Jersey takes place in Tony's tomato patch, which brings to mind Don Corleone's death in the tomato patch in Godfather Part 1

--Doc Santoro is shot in the eye, a la Moe Greene in 1

--A portentous, and possibly fatal, fishing trip, both recalling the boat ride Big Pussy got (which Paulie has a flashback too), and Fredo's final fishing trip in 2

Three references, all to fatal moments in the first two Godfather movies. It's just...interesting.

[IamFogHat]

--Paulie's first meeting with Tony in New Jersey takes place in Tony's tomato patch, which brings to mind Don Corleone's death in the tomato patch in Godfather Part 1



Didn't he die in an orange grove at their house?

[MikeB]

Didn't he die in an orange grove at their house?

starving.

Another film of his, rainmaker, makes me starving everytime I see the part with devito eating the pancakes

[Kevin]

Didn't he die in an orange grove at their house?

You are correct sir..

[IamFogHat]

You guys think tonight's episode will be anything other than filler/setting up for major shit later? They're running out of time here, I'm wondering when the payoff's will start.

[lleeder]

I agree alot of setup no payoff. I hope the final episode is a two hour episode that they tell us about last minute.

[Kevin]

Did Tony Bet 100k because a kicker got hurt?? And Sil agreed to it?? How stupid do they think we are??

[BoondockSaint]

Do you think Vito jr. had trouble getting the shit out from in between his toes?

[JohnWC]

Uh.. that shower scene was a bit much.

[extracheese]

You've read my rant last week about how disappointing the season is so far ( 4 episodes) so ill skip it and move on.

Tony Jr is a lousy actor. Did you see his expression when she handed him back his ring? It was ...well there WAS NO expression..he didnt say anything. They didnt make it very clear what her problem was with marrying him.

They finally decided to flesh out some history and background about Hesh and Tony - one of the more "normal" friendships on the show. So we thought. Now they fill us in that they are both greedy assholes. Tony we always knew was a greedy ass, but Hesh seemed to be about more than just money.
Was his woman murdered? What are we to take from that final scene? It wasn't apparent to me. Perhaps that final shot of the mansion...an old man alone with his grief, with a bag of cash on the table that he didn't need, and the loss of Tony as a friend- how pathetic Hesh's life has become.

Coming up next week in episode 5: Meadow dyes her hair, Tony deals with a hangnail, and Bobby goes on a diet.

[JohnWC]

[/QUOTE]They finally decided to flesh out some history and background about Hesh and Tony - one of the more "normal" friendships on the show. So we thought. Now they fill us in that they are both greedy assholes. Tony we always knew was a greedy ass, but Hesh seemed to be about more than just money.
Was his woman murdered? What are we to take from that final scene? It wasn't apparent to me. Perhaps that final shot of the mansion...an old man alone with his grief, with a bag of cash on the table that he didn't need, and the loss of Tony as a friend- how pathetic Hesh's life has become.
[/QUOTE]

He's paying the man his money and their relationship is over. I think its a way of getting rid of Hesh's character.. like they got rid of Uncle Junior last week.

And whats up with no explanation for her death?

[drusilla]

note to all you men: the ring aj bought is hideous.

[drusilla]

& i can't take listening to tony breathe.

[Snacks]

I will now admit that the show is starting to get a little stupid. They are getting rid of characters left and right without really explaining them. They are doing everything they can to make Tony look more and more like an asshole. Like someone else mentioned, the 100k bet on miami b/c their kicker was out? Come on, no way would anyone think that alone would be a reason they would lose. The offense and defense was still playing and a kicker only matters in a close game. The game was a blow out. It just seems that they are really trying to end it were tony hates everyone and the viewers dont like Tony. I hope not.

The scene when tony and his wife are fighting was great. His money is their money but her money that she made by using his money and connections is only her money!!! lol

Little Vitos shit scene came from left field. I almost fell out of my seat.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

I will now admit that the show is starting to get a little stupid. They are getting rid of characters left and right without really explaining them. They are doing everything they can to make Tony look more and more like an asshole. Like someone else mentioned, the 100k bet on miami b/c their kicker was out? Come on, no way would anyone think that alone would be a reason they would lose. The offense and defense was still playing and a kicker only matters in a close game. The game was a blow out. It just seems that they are really trying to end it were tony hates everyone and the viewers dont like Tony. I hope not.

The scene when tony and his wife are fighting was great. His money is their money but her money that she made by using his money and connections is only her money!!! lol

Little Vitos shit scene came from left field. I almost fell out of my seat.

Anyone who didn't already hate Tony has problems. He's a racist, violent, self-centered sociopath.

He's obviously losing it with the gambling. He started out pushing on #23 and then dropped 18-25k on a horse because of its name.

Carmela deserves everything coming to her.

/by the way, Jets 42-10 over the Chargers? Yeah, right.

[Furtherman]

The one thing I took away from last night's episode was the different filming style. A lot of close ups and using a hand held camera, giving some scenes that realistic point of view look. The show did have it's moments - the look Tony gave the new dealer when he was leaving the blackjacktable, and Phil's "Finish that thing, there's no eating in the car" line was great. But overall, yea, kinda boring. And the no explaination for the death really left things hanging out there.

[SPeeDy_Freak]

Still not sure how Hesh's girl died. Is it possible that someone got to her? And for what purpose.

I see the final scene with Tony and Hesh as Chase's way of saying goodbye to Hesh.

You could see the AJ breakup coming. She was infatuated with the luxurious mob life but when AJ mentioned that he now got assistant manager at a pizza joint, I couldn't stop laughing. Typical screwup AJ.

The tension between Tony and Carmella was great. I always felt she came back to Tony because he would front her house project. With Tony's gambling (and his life seemingly) out of control, Carmella is yet another person that Tony cannot totally trust.

To me that is the key theme to these final episodes. All the people that Tony could count on and trust are now no longer as trustworthy.

The tension between Tony and Phil was good and sets up the final few episodes.

Vito's son in the shower was out of left field. Disturbing.

[tupper65]

Disturbing is definitely the best was to describe the shower scene. I can't help but really feel bad for that kid. Father gone, no guidence, nobody cares enough to help him. As a fan of the show, you know that Tony is an asshole, but what he put the kid and his family through because he lost the money on another blown bet really pissed me off. Another life ruined by Soprano and Co.

[ChimneyFish]

Still not sure how Hesh's girl died. Is it possible that someone got to her? And for what purpose.




That left me confused.

All in all, a good episode.
One by one, the people that matter most don't seem too close anymore.
Looks like the last to go will be Sil.

[newport king]

still dont like the show but phil telling vito jr "you look like a puerto rican whore" was a gem...as was tony telling carmella her house is going to collapse on that unborn baby.

as a side note robert iler has the acting chops of chuck lidell.

[mdumont]

I still love this show. The subtly of it. They way I'm always wrong about what's going to happen. You'll never fucking figure it out. I agree Chase loves to play with our heads. Come on, play with my head a little! Eww, that sounded dirty.

Where did he get the $200,000. Did he drop some kind of a dime on the Muslim guys to his Fed buddy? Steal it from Carmela?

I still say Meadow takes over the family. Remember Mikey Corleone, college boy. But, again, I am always wrong.

[SPeeDy_Freak]

Where did he get the $200,000. Did he drop some kind of a dime on the Muslim guys to his Fed buddy? Steal it from Carmela?

I still say Meadow takes over the family. Remember Mikey Corleone, college boy. But, again, I am always wrong.

He likely got the mon ey from his not-so-hidden stash (the bird food bin) that he was saving for a rainy day although stealing it from Carmella would make for some interesting future developments.

How shallow Tony became was best evidenced by how he wanted to cut corners and instead of paying to move Vito's family to MAine he decides to put the kid in some radical boot camp in order to save $82,000.

All of Tony's support system is turning on him. He is becoming more paranoid and desperate each episode. I initially thought he would be in jail. Now
I think a hidden ginman will take him out when he does eventially go down for the newspaper.

The shooter will never be identified. Now how's that for an ending?

I know it won't happen but it does sould like something that chase would end with.

[Judge Smails]

I know that Tony did it for all the wrong reasons, but that boot camp will probably be better for that little fuckhead than moving to Maine.

[kevcala]

The shooter will never be identified. Now how's that for an ending?


Shitty.

[kevcala]

Last nights episode was so bad.

I'm getting tired of trying to pick apart episides looking for one or two one-liners to save the entire episode.

The entire plot line with Vito's kid was ludicrist. It almost felt like David Chase went online and google imaged "troubled teen". I had a conversation with my sister about it today, the black lipstick and the crapping in the shower are totally unrelated. One is a rebellious tween trying to find their identity while the other is signs of a serious mental illness. So much more could have been done to show how screwed up his life is now with everything things that's happened to him. Real warning signs of a mental collapse, but instead it felt like they just slapped some black lipstick on him and said that should tell the audience he's lost it.

Also, about Tony and the gambling. In about 2 episodes he pretty much became a derelict. This is what I hate most about the show. People tell me it's subversive and I need to think about the big picture, what Chase is trying to do, but in the same vein he treats his audience like children. There were about 5 refences to Tony's gambling in one episode. The same thing happened with Vito. Here we are, supposedly trying to imagine what it'd be like to be a gay mafia member, and the emotional troubles he would have, then in one episode Vito says the line,"I really miss this stuff about back home." Gee, I wonder if Vito was gonna go back home.

I personally feel like I am getting cheated every Sunday night, and of course I'll watch it until the end. Hopefully I'll be singing a different tune then.

[kevcala]

. . . and don't just say I'm dissapointed because nobody got "whacked"

[TheMojoPin]

The entire plot line with Vito's kid was ludicrist.

Ludacris as the Son of God?

I love how one rapper's name has fucked up how probably at least 75% of the population spells a certain word.

[lleeder]

Why the fuck was she in this episode? I know they want maybe throw a nod to Frank but her character as herself was pointless. At the end of her scene she had some wiseass line that just seemed forced and stupid to me. Does anyone else agree with this? She took me out of any realistic view of the show.

[King Imp]

as a side note robert iler has the acting chops of chuck lidell.

:laugh:

[drusilla]

it was just another stupid party for phil like norton pointed out. in every episode he's at some lame ass parry, or has something to do with food. very strange. kinda like how brad pitt was eating something in every scene of ocean's 11.

[Judge Smails]

My wife and I were having a discussion of people playing themselves on the Sopranos. There's been a few lately and I know that there were more but I'm having a hard time recalling them all. Can anyone think of more.

Here's who I've got:

Nancy Sinatra
Daniel Baldwin
Lauren Bacall
Ben Kingsley
Frank Sinatra Jr.
Lawrence Taylor

[King Imp]

David Lee Roth was in a scene either last season or the season before. Not exactly sure if he was playing himself though.

[lleeder]

David Lee Roth was in a scene either last season or the season before. Not exactly sure if he was playing himself though.

No he was playing Howard Stern.

[cougarjake13]

No he was playing Howard Stern.

and he failed miserably both times

[Landblast]

David Lee Roth was in a scene either last season or the season before. Not exactly sure if he was playing himself though.

it was a poker game i think it was at the Bada Bing, he was one of the players.

[Judge Smails]

I think I've got it all figured out - so of course that means nothing and they'll probably take it in a completely different direction.

Last season when they introduced the Arabs I told my wife that I thought that this was the angle that they would use to bring down Tony

Now, this season we saw the two FBI agents again asking Tony to keep his eyes open for suspicious activity (it's not the first time the FBI's been on the level with Tony about the Arabs). The one agent even tried to make it personal for Tony: "Your daughter goes to school in the city. Does she take the tunnels?"

Last episode we see Tony driving through the Arab neighborhood where he sees the two Arabs dealing with Christopher. We see that "look" in Tony's eye.

A couple of scenes later he mysteriously has $200,000 that he didn't have before.

Wouldn't it be the ultimate way of showing the utter lack of morals to have Tony literally sell out everyone? Not just those in his crime family, but also his real family and you and me on top of it.

Makes total sense to me - so of course nothing like this will actually happen.

[Snacks]

it was just another stupid party for phil like norton pointed out. in every episode he's at some lame ass parry, or has something to do with food. very strange. kinda like how brad pitt was eating something in every scene of ocean's 11.

the party was because phil became the boss of the NY family.

[Snacks]

Why the fuck was she in this episode? I know they want maybe throw a nod to Frank but her character as herself was pointless. At the end of her scene she had some wiseass line that just seemed forced and stupid to me. Does anyone else agree with this? She took me out of any realistic view of the show.

I thought that exactly I said to my cousin why, why, why. The reason she was there was what you said just to put a sinatra on the show out of respect for a fellow jersey celeb Frank Sinatra.

Oh and she looked like one big hot mess.

[EQ]

I thought Tony's penchant for addiction( gambling) and the hostility was setting up something interesting - but they sort of wrapped up everything in a nice, happy package at the end. He apologized to everyone-- to Carm, paid off the 200, 000 to Hesh.
It seemed too tidy, and it would have set up some interesting things if he started to lose everything literally and figuratively (of course, he still might...only Chase knows), but the episode wrapped up too well.

[EQ]

After Sunday's ep, I was thinking about a possible theme. So far each major/featured character has dealt with some sort of demon. Something that reduced each to a very 'Untouchable' quality.

* Bobby dreads finally having to kill.
* Junior chooses to face his illness by taking the mind-numbing meds, forever losing his tough guy status.
* Johnny Sac's extremely human, very brutal death in the hospital.
* Hesh's love dies, and he is completely broken (the who or how is really irrelevant to the man's grief).

* Dr. Melfi dealt with an issue that bothered her for years, and could ultimately end her relationship with TS. (this is to a lesser degree, but follows the same theme)

Any thoughts?

[Snacks]

I look forward to see what they do with AJ and his ex. Something tells me she broke it off b/c she wants a tougher, more manly man. I think she either starts to bang someone mid level mob guy on the construction site or Tony. Either way it looks like he is going to leave being a pizza boy and start to get involved in the family business and I think she is the reason. (previews to the season show AJ and Tony coming home real late and hes talking like and acting like Tony)

[Bulldogcakes]

Ludacris as the Son of God?

I love how one rapper's name has fucked up how probably at least 75% of the population spells a certain word.

How about that HE misspelled the word "ludicrous", in the first place. So these dopes are MISSPELLING A MISSPELLED WORD.

Which reminds of that old saw "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits"

[Bay Ridge Tim]

My wife and I were having a discussion of people playing themselves on the Sopranos. There's been a few lately and I know that there were more but I'm having a hard time recalling them all. Can anyone think of more.

Here's who I've got:

Nancy Sinatra
Daniel Baldwin
Lauren Bacall
Ben Kingsley
Frank Sinatra Jr.
Lawrence Taylor

Annette Benning appeared in Tony's team as herself as Finn's mother. I loved that scene.

Jon Favreau played himself in season two while Christopher had Hollywood dreams.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Annette Benning appeared in Tony's team as herself as Finn's mother. I loved that scene.

Was Annette Benning playing herself or Finn's mother?

Also, wasn't the guy who plays Fez on "The 70's Show" in the episode with Ben Kingsley and Lauren Bacall? He played himself during the "Celebs getting free shit" scene. It may have been someone else but I thought it was 70's Fez

I will now admit that the show is starting to get a little stupid...

Starting?

[IamFogHat]

Does anyone know where I can find the version of the Time Zone song World Destruction that was used in the Sopranos episode 'All debts public and private'? I've tried to find that kick ass version and have only been able to find a remix of it.

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm feeling very conflicted about these episodes. I appreciate that David Chase isn't artifically ramping up the tension, that he isn't just whacking people left and right at this stage, but, at the same time, the show does seem oddly static to be this late in the day. Did we really need to check in Vito Jr. at this point? Shouldn't we be seeing Phil do something other than going to yet another party? Where the hell is most of Tony's crew?

My sort of reading of how things are going to go is that it's building up for a rather fast, sudden climax, that we're going to get an explosion of violence that ends things quickly. But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to see some more stuff happen before we get there.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

Was Annette Benning playing herself or Finn's mother?


She was playing herself, sort of. Tony dreamed he was having dinner with Finn's parents and Benning was Finn's mom, but at one point Tony leans over to her and says, "You're Annette Benning."

It was one of my favorite moments ever on the show.

[EQ]

Janeane Garofalo and Sandra Bernhard
Were they doing the show within a show-thing? It's vague, so I'm probably wrong.

Montel Williams

Geraldo Rivera

and...as dancers, but definitely themselves:
Nurse Mira

Swiss Miss

[SPeeDy_Freak]

I have a theory about AJ's ex story line.

I would not be surprised if Tony goes to talk to her after seeing AJ broken down to tears. While telling her that she should reconsider, she comes on to him and Tony ends up having sex with her. It would further support Tony being out of control and alienating every person that has been close to him.

You could see during the rpior episodes her infatuation with the high life that the mob brings. She also wants a strong man and AJ is the anthesis of this. Tony personifies what she wants from a man. It would also provide some substance to the AJ character for the final few episodes as he comes to realize what Tony did to him

[Furtherman]

You could see during the rpior episodes her infatuation with the high life that the mob brings. She also wants a strong man and AJ is the anthesis of this. Tony personifies what she wants from a man. It would also provide some substance to the AJ character for the final few episodes as he comes to realize what Tony did to him

I like that angle, although I think it would stop before Tony sleeps with his son's girlfriend. However, there as been an theme of "what the father has brought upon the son" these past episodes. The crazy kid who beat up Uncle Junior, Vito Jr. and A.J.'s dilema.

Who knows - Vito Jr. could come back from that camp and go on a shooting spree!

[kevcala]

Is there anyone online who can tell me what happened in the first 20 mins?

[Bossanova]

Is there anyone online who can tell me what happened in the first 20 mins?

Tony breathed REALLY HEAVILY, Paulie and Chris argue, Tony talks to feds about arabs. Nothing great

[J.Clints]

Iam recording the show and will be watching it in the morning.