Opie & Anthony Suspended by XM!!!!

[PapaBear]

Were are Ron's balls that he's continually talking about having. These are supposed to be his boys. Not a word other than he doesn't think this is the forum (the show) to discuss or talk about this. Hmmmmmm shoe on the other foot guess what Opie and Anthony would be talking about, hmmmmmm shall we revisit the Imus firing.

Come on Ron an Fez you are here WHY????? Your XM gig is because of Opie, your CBS gig is because of........

You know the deal stand up and grow a pair.
He stated very clearly, that ONA said they didn't want it discussed on air. He did what they wanted.

[slick Rick]

I understand that and that was fine at first but they are acting like it didn't happen. "are you with us or against us"

[PapaBear]

Listen. ONA will be back soon. There is no reason for Ron to ruin a good thing for both shows, just to show you that he has balls.

[johnniewalker]

The MSM would have dropped the story if XM hadn't suspended them.

That's what confuses me the most, if xm had learned anything about imus it was more keeping the story alive than Imus. What I meant before was more of the perception of the story v. the reality. True at the micro level it was just xm and o and a's lacking apology. However, the msm picked up the story that the suspension was b/c of what they said v. that insubordination. That's why i think there is free speech elements in the whole thing. For fuck's sake "shrimp fried lice" is a slur now. I understand that its now a 1st amendment issue, but it doesn't mean there aren't parallels to why the 1st amendment became such a powerful thing in the last century and why people confusingly try to invoke it in this situation.

[slick Rick]

And as HTG stated in her appearances its going to snowball into something much worse. Just when your feel its getting safe thats when "the Man" come a crashing down. I love the freedom that they ONA show had I don't think Ron and Fez should buckle or cowtoe because they don't what to stand for what is right.

If we ignore it will just pass

[Fez4PrezN2008]

Were are Ron's balls that he's continually talking about having. These are supposed to be his boys. Not a word other than he doesn't think this is the forum (the show) to discuss or talk about this. Hmmmmmm shoe on the other foot guess what Opie and Anthony would be talking about, hmmmmmm shall we revisit the Imus firing.

Come on Ron an Fez you are here WHY????? Your XM gig is because of Opie, your CBS gig is because of........

You know the deal stand up and grow a pair.
Just my opinion/suspicion - I am pretty sure they were instructed to not touch the subject by xm mgt. He has not been able to say anything about PAC lately either. I think its all under duress. I am sure they were threatened with pulling the plug on their show if they mentioned it. XM mgt = pricks. I hope they all lose their jobs if the merger goes through.

[BalzacWB]

I understand that and that was fine at first but they are acting like it didn't happen. "are you with us or against us"

dude your a fucking moron...
Ronnie is one of the BIGGEST supporters of PAC, and he made like 3 references to cancelling xm and blaming xm on the show today... he cant talk about it, just like OnA cant talk about it on their freefm show, you gonna say they have no balls too?

fucking jerkoff

Listen. ONA will be back soon.


dont know about that one

[PapaBear]

Just my opinion/suspicion - I am pretty sure they were instructed to not touch the subject by xm mgt. He has not been able to say anything about PAC lately either. I think its all under duress. I am sure they were threatened with pulling the plug on their show if they mentioned it. XM mgt = pricks. I hope they all lose their jobs if the merger goes through.
They HAVE been talking about PAC!!!

[johnniewalker]

Just my opinion/suspicion - I am pretty sure they were instructed to not touch the subject by xm mgt. He has not been able to say anything about PAC lately either. I think its all under duress. I am sure they were threatened with pulling the plug on their show if they mentioned it. XM mgt = pricks. I hope they all lose their jobs if the merger goes through.

Ron had a great line today, a caller was being a prick and he basically said fuck you i wish you would have joined the exodus and joined pac and cancelled. He is doing it but being subtle.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Were are Ron's balls that he's continually talking about having. These are supposed to be his boys. Not a word other than he doesn't think this is the forum (the show) to discuss or talk about this. Hmmmmmm shoe on the other foot guess what Opie and Anthony would be talking about, hmmmmmm shall we revisit the Imus firing.

Come on Ron an Fez you are here WHY????? Your XM gig is because of Opie, your CBS gig is because of........

You know the deal stand up and grow a pair.

Jesus fucking christ.

O&A got suspended BECAUSE THEY TALKED ABOUT IT.

They didn't get suspended because of the initial jokes. O&A got suspended because THEY MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT which could have made it worse.

just DROP IT and it goes away! Period!

Ride out the 30 days and O&A will be back. And even if they're not, THEY STILL HAVE A JOB.

[epo]

This is not a free speech issue, this is an insubordination issue.

Agreed 100% Tenbatsuzen.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

They HAVE been talking about PAC!!!
Wow, how did I miss that with 24/7 replays? Head up my ass I guess...

[PapaBear]

ONA will be back soon.


dont know about that one
It seemed pretty clear, after today's show, that they will be back soon.

[BalzacWB]

Ron had a great line today, a caller was being a prick and he basically said fuck you i wish you would have joined the exodus and joined pac and cancelled. He is doing it but being subtle.

also paul o said he blamed xm for killing gailo, ronnie then said "alot of people are blaming xm..."


little while later ronnie told paul that " hugh said this will be your last show, paul if it is I am canceling"



fucking great, hes sidestepping but it is a total fuck you to the execs

[BalzacWB]

It seemed pretty clear, after today's show, that they will be back soon.

Im optimistic about the 'announcement' ronnie talked about, but CLEAR.... not at all



I have to say it fits though, I mean what else could it be about



aslo Tenbatsuzen, you really believe thats the reason OnA were suspended?

XM is saying that so they dont have to admit that they caved to complaints by rev al and the rest of the fucking special interests groups. Did you listen to the audio that XM was pissed about? Fucking nothing there, they hardly talked about the apology...

[slick Rick]

I just like others am angry with the situation I didn't listen today to the Ron and Fez show so I didn't get to hear the subtle comments made by a master of the Subtle Ron Bennington.

I do want to assure you I'm not wanting them to risk the Ron and Fez show on XM satellite radio that would just be absurd.

I guess my outrage and cancellation of my sub was unprovoked and unnecessary.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This whole fucking thread, this whole fucking issue is frustrating because people don't get it.

People don't seem to understand that O&A are not suspended for the original material they had with homeless charlie. XM was fine with that.

When the heat was on, XM said to them, "OK. Issue an apology, and drop it. We don't need the heat."

So O&A did that but continued to talk about it, with the potential of giving the media more out-of-context soundbites to crucify them with.

So XM pulled them because they didn't drop it. THAT'S why they got suspended.

It is not an issue of Free Speech. XM was fine with the original material, as long as O&A recanted and didn't harp on it because of the heat that was on.

It's an issue of insubordination, with O&A not listening to the XM bosses.

Remember when Ralphie May saved the show? You can draw a parallel with O&A have a jagermeister machine back in studio 2 days later.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I guess my outrage and cancellation of my sub was unprovoked and unnecessary.

Pretty much, yeah.

Of course, if XM caves and puts O&A back on, it will be awesome, because it basically means that Hugh Panero is HTG's bitch.

[slick Rick]

he is the man! Ronnie B

also paul o said he blamed xm for killing gailo, ronnie then said "alot of people are blaming xm..."


little while later ronnie told paul that " hugh said this will be your last show, paul if it is I am canceling"



fucking great, hes sidestepping but it is a total fuck you to the execs

[BalzacWB]

he is the man! Ronnie B


there are places besides xm to get the xm version of Rnf...

[PapaBear]

I just like others am angry with the situation I didn't listen today to the Ron and Fez show so I didn't get to hear the subtle comments made by a master of the Subtle Ron Bennington.

I do want to assure you I'm not wanting them to risk the Ron and Fez show on XM satellite radio that would just be absurd.

I guess my outrage and cancellation of my sub was unprovoked and unnecessary.
I don't really fault anyone who cancelled or smashed radios. I agreed on principal with a lot of it. I just feel it's better to sit down and relax, when things get tense. That doesn't mean I don't think people should fight back. I just don't think it's wise to make rash decisions in times of rage.

I'm not saying I've never done it myself. I definitely have. I've just learned to take things slow.

[BalzacWB]

This whole fucking thread, this whole fucking issue is frustrating because people don't get it.

People don't seem to understand that O&A are not suspended for the original material they had with homeless charlie. XM was fine with that.

When the heat was on, XM said to them, "OK. Issue an apology, and drop it. We don't need the heat."

So O&A did that but continued to talk about it, with the potential of giving the media more out-of-context soundbites to crucify them with.

So XM pulled them because they didn't drop it. THAT'S why they got suspended.

It is not an issue of Free Speech. XM was fine with the original material, as long as O&A recanted and didn't harp on it because of the heat that was on.

It's an issue of insubordination, with O&A not listening to the XM bosses.

Remember when Ralphie May saved the show? You can draw a parallel with O&A have a jagermeister machine back in studio 2 days later.


thats what xm is saying.... they have no reason to lie right?

No big company has ever lied to their costumers right?

[slick Rick]

CENSORSHIP something that was by no means supposed to happen. And I've listened to the show they do not care about being subordinate in any way shape or form.

its a topic that they have clobbered to death,....

How they have no appreciation for management, for the powers that be and they have no rules and now all of a sudden theirs rules. You can't give someone free rule then later state that they broke one when there isn't any and hasn't been any.

Its the merger, and hell who knows maybe Who Who has pull and as asked for them to begone before he lets the merger go through, he damn near owns Sirrius doesn't he.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

This is not a free speech issue, this is an insubordination issue.

It's a "Hey, I paid $12 a month to hear just that!" issue.

[Charlie D]

This whole fucking thread, this whole fucking issue is frustrating because people don't get it.

I agree - people don't get it.

It's all just a ruse.

It's supposed to be hard to figure out - it ain't so hard.

O&A took advantage of the situation to engineer what they wanted with the cooperation of XM and Sirius.

Mel Karmizan has never liked them because since he was at CBS O&A screwed with his #1 property, Hoo-Hoo. Now Mel's going to be in charge of the merged company, and he's got $500M tied up in Hoo-Hoo; something had to give.

Plus O&A wanted back on FM real bad - XM let it happen but Karmizan said at the time he'd never go along with that at Sirius.

O&A know that there's no big audience on satellite, and satellite's struggling - how are they going to get bigger in a merged company with Hoo-Hoo dominating the scene, eating up all the bucks, his godfather heading up the whole thing?

So they made an arrangement - O&A get out of their contract with XM, XM and Sirius get to look like tough guys to convince Congress to vacate the anti-trust provisions of the satellite broadcasting legislation and O&A become CBS' hottest property. Who's left to compete with them? Imus is gone, Hoo-Hoo is talking to himself - they're the 800 pound gorillas of the broadcast airwaves.

[slick Rick]

To a point because ONA seem to be all about the listeneras well as the almighty dollar. They have one helluva fan base on XM and like Ron and Fez they don't want to give up that fan base or paycheck. I know they wanted back on terestrial radio in a bad way but that was primarily for the local market.

I'm still not convinced that they get to more listeners via the CBS broadcast, I do think they make more money with CBS.

Who knows? Besides HTG

[Dan 'Hampton]

I agree - people don't get it.

It's all just a ruse.

It's supposed to be hard to figure out - it ain't so hard.


So they made an arrangement - O&A get out of their contract with XM, XM and Sirius get to look like tough guys to convince Congress to vacate the anti-trust provisions of the satellite broadcasting legislation and O&A become CBS' hottest property. Who's left to compete with them? Imus is gone, Hoo-Hoo is talking to himself - they're the 800 pound gorillas of the broadcast airwaves.

It sounds like you don't get it either.This makes as much sense as the "this is just a way to get them out of the studio during renovations" theory. This thread is turining into a Lost messageboard "purgatory" thread.

[Dan 'Hampton]

To a point because ONA seem to be all about the listeneras well as the almighty dollar. They have one helluva fan base on XM and like Ron and Fez they don't want to give up that fan base or paycheck. I know they wanted back on terestrial radio in a bad way but that was primarily for the local market.

I'm still not convinced that they get to more listeners via the CBS broadcast, I do think they make more money with CBS.

Who knows? Besides HTG

You realize XM makes money off of them being on CBS, in advertisement and i'm sure in syndication fees. So Mel's whole argument about not allowing "interloping" in the new company doesn't mean much to a future company that will still be bleeding money. I live in an area with no OnA on regular radio. The closest would be Boston or New London both over an hour and a half away, so I don't care what "restrictions" they would be under as long as I can relive my pre-marriage existance living on the east end of Long Island listening to radio gold from 3 to 11. Got it?

[johnniewalker]

Check this out Zagman made a message on wackbag about the reasoning behind all of this.

http://www.wackbag.com/announcement.php?f=13&a=178

[J.Clints]

Check this out Zagman made a message on wackbag about the reasoning behind all of this.

http://www.wackbag.com/announcement.php?f=13&a=178

Thank you very much for posting that it is great.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Check this out Zagman made a message on wackbag about the reasoning behind all of this.

http://www.wackbag.com/announcement.php?f=13&a=178

I really hope that Anthony or someone else is feeding Zag that information, otherwise he's a fucking idiot.

[Doctor Z]

Zagman laid it all out perfectly. Nicely done.

[deliciousV]

I......this..........ummm......well shit. This might be a case of the pests running amuck. I'm pissed about the O&A suspension too, but I'm not ready to pretend I have enough info to start a movement to manipulate stock values and stop a merger. The writer seems very confident in what he's saying, but how does he KNOW that this little pat battle won't bring down the whole house of cards? He really doesn't, these guys have gone from a somewhat rational and reasoned response to now just basically throwing a tantrum, lashing out in any way possible.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Zagman laid it all out perfectly. Nicely done.

I don't understand where Zagman gets off saying that XM is doing so well while sirius is struggling. BOTH services are struggling. (Again, unless someone is feeding him this information, and then in that case, I'm an idiot)

I don't see what fucking up the merger has to do with saving O&A's job.

Let's be honest - their position on terrestrial radio is shaky at best. What if XM goes out of business?

[JPMNICK]

I might be way off on this one, but I thought Sirius was closer to turning a profit as of last report than XM is. and i think the Sirius market cap is higher as well

edit i was incorrect

Xm net income for the last quarter and for 2006 in millions - 122.44 -718.87
siri net income for the last quarter and for 2006 in millions - 144.75 -1,104.87

Sirius market cap is 600 million higher

[Tenbatsuzen]

I......this..........ummm......well shit. This might be a case of the pests running amuck. I'm pissed about the O&A suspension too, but I'm not ready to pretend I have enough info to start a movement to manipulate stock values and stop a merger. The writer seems very confident in what he's saying, but how does he KNOW that this little pat battle won't bring down the whole house of cards? He really doesn't, these guys have gone from a somewhat rational and reasoned response to now just basically throwing a tantrum, lashing out in any way possible.

Bingo. The pests have gone from making a statement of getting O&A back on the air all the way to potentially fucking their shit up a year down the road.

The only way this makes any sort of sense is if Anthony told him behind the scenes that this was OK. But if that's not the case, this is bad, bad news.

That's why I'm kinda hoping the suspension doesn't end early, because if it does, it'll give the pests an unreal sense of entitlement that there will be NO turning back!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I might be way off on this one, but I thought Sirius was closer to turning a profit as of last report than XM is. and i think the Sirius market cap is higher as well

Correct, which is why Karmazin is CEO of this deal. Sirius is NOT doing as badly as everyone thinks, and XM is not doing as well as everyone thinks, which is why the merger is necessary. It's the only way both companies are going to survive past 2010.

[J.Clints]

Well since the guys who seem to know everything are posting tonight and i have to stay out of trouble. I will respond later

[johnniewalker]

For those still riding the it's insubordination not censorship line, this article sums up the point of why we think differently, just in case you don't take what we have to say seriously.

XM Satellite Radio Owes Opie & Anthony Fans an Apology - and a Backbone (http://radio.about.com/od/opinionpieces/a/aa052007a.htm)

Censorship vs. Censureship

First, they weren't censored on XM. The segment DID air.

But, they were censured by XM afterwards and rebuked formally in a press release. "XM Radio deplored the comments..." the company announced adding, "The management of XM Radio decided to suspend Opie and Anthony to make clear that our on-air talent must take seriously the responsibility that creative freedom requires of them."

But, the fact that Opie & Anthony were "punished" with a 30-day suspension, infers that a message has been sent from management to their talents, warning them NOT to cross whatever line the now notorious homeless guy segment established.

This censure masquerades as one more fuzzy "standard of decency". As Opie & Anthony's employer XM has a right to ask them to abide by their wishes. But, it is not fair to infer one thing to subscribers then reel in corporate horror when non-subscribers complain.

It's the Perception, Stupid!

The REAL problem is the perception of XM with subscribers.
....
Another example: at xmro.xmradio.com, the online version of XM, it specifically says:

"Uncensored comedy including the outrageous, uninhibited talk duo, Opie & Anthony".

I think any reasonable person understands what's being inferred: anything goes, so deal with it.
.....

Censorship vs. Intimidation

It's not censorship. It's worse: it's intimidation. Compared to previous advertising and promises, it comes down to integrity - or a lack of it. In my opinion, XM Satellite Radio owes the Opie & Anthony fans an apology - and a stronger backbone.

[TheMojoPin]

For those still riding the it's insubordination not censorship line, this article sums up the point of why we think differently, just in case you don't take what we have to say seriously.

XM Satellite Radio Owes Opie & Anthony Fans an Apology - and a Backbone (http://radio.about.com/od/opinionpieces/a/aa052007a.htm)

Censorship vs. Censureship

First, they weren't censored on XM. The segment DID air.

But, they were censured by XM afterwards and rebuked formally in a press release. "XM Radio deplored the comments..." the company announced adding, "The management of XM Radio decided to suspend Opie and Anthony to make clear that our on-air talent must take seriously the responsibility that creative freedom requires of them."

But, the fact that Opie & Anthony were "punished" with a 30-day suspension, infers that a message has been sent from management to their talents, warning them NOT to cross whatever line the now notorious homeless guy segment established.

This censure masquerades as one more fuzzy "standard of decency". As Opie & Anthony's employer XM has a right to ask them to abide by their wishes. But, it is not fair to infer one thing to subscribers then reel in corporate horror when non-subscribers complain.

It's the Perception, Stupid!

The REAL problem is the perception of XM with subscribers.
....
Another example: at xmro.xmradio.com, the online version of XM, it specifically says:

"Uncensored comedy including the outrageous, uninhibited talk duo, Opie & Anthony".

I think any reasonable person understands what's being inferred: anything goes, so deal with it.
.....

Censorship vs. Intimidation

It's not censorship. It's worse: it's intimidation. Compared to previous advertising and promises, it comes down to integrity - or a lack of it. In my opinion, XM Satellite Radio owes the Opie & Anthony fans an apology - and a stronger backbone.

The problem with that article is that it still makes the incorrect assumption that O&A were suspended over the "rape" segment itself, when they were actually suspended after XM told them not to dwell on the behind scenes stuff on the air and move on. If people want to argue THAT specific point, fine, it can be seen as subjective, but the article misses that completely.

[johnniewalker]

The problem with that article is that it still makes the incorrect assumption that O&A were suspended over the "rape" segment itself, when they were actually suspended after XM told them not to dwell on the behind scenes stuff on the air and move on. If people want to argue THAT specific point, fine, it can be seen as subjective, but the article misses that completely.

Maybe i'm missing your point...

"The management of XM Radio decided to suspend Opie and Anthony to make clear that our on-air talent must take seriously the responsibility that creative freedom requires of them."

But, the fact that Opie & Anthony were "punished" with a 30-day suspension, infers that a message has been sent from management to their talents, warning them NOT to cross whatever line the now notorious homeless guy segment established.

I think he's pointing to the perception (by stating an inference) v. the statement made by xm.

[TheMojoPin]

Maybe i'm missing your point...

"The management of XM Radio decided to suspend Opie and Anthony to make clear that our on-air talent must take seriously the responsibility that creative freedom requires of them."

But, the fact that Opie & Anthony were "punished" with a 30-day suspension, infers that a message has been sent from management to their talents, warning them NOT to cross whatever line the now notorious homeless guy segment established.

I think he's pointing to the perception (by stating an inference) v. the statement made by xm.

I understand that, but that perception is incorrect in many ways since they weren't suspended for the actual segment.

[sailor]

I understand that, but that perception is incorrect in many ways since they weren't suspended for the actual segment.

says one or two folk who claim insider knowledge. we don't know for sure either way what happened.

[AKA]

Zagman laid it all out perfectly. Nicely done.

How?

The anti-merger talk is anti-capitalism talk - the idea that XM will survive while Sirius will fail is also flawed - but (as has been said before) the whole diatribe is built on this foundation:

think about every time in the past that O&A were suspended. Also, think about any time in the past any radio personality was suspended. Where can you hear them now? That's right - you can't - because they were fired.

This is a lie. D&M have been suspended several times in the last five years - 2 weeks two years ago when Don cussed on the air; D&M staff was suspendend for 2 weeks when a curse word went out during a replay; they were off the air for a month because of maangment sitting on them because of them being disagreeable just late last year - OH, and outside of D&M, R&F were suspendend for a week back in 2005 when a curse word went out over their airwaves unknown to them; Stern has been suspendend.

The majority of suspensions more than likely are a pre-cursor to firing, but to lay everything out with an absolute in emails and postings that you know will be parrotted among the echo chambers is to set it all up to be easily dismissed by people who don't agree with your opinion.

[AKA]

That's why I'm kinda hoping the suspension doesn't end early, because if it does, it'll give the pests an unreal sense of entitlement that there will be NO turning back!

I tend to agree with you on this one too, even tho the sooner O&A are back, the sooner 202 can get back to normal - whatever that means. I do hope that if any good can come out of this, that Ron and Fez have earned a decent replay schedule.

I'm sure "success" will still be touted by the Pests after 30 days and O&A are back on, regardless of the plain fact that XM has been solid with that message since the first press release. If O&A are fired they will still proclaim a victory because they convinced less than one-half of one percent (.5%), or40,000 to cancel.

[moochcassidy]

Bingo. The pests have gone from making a statement of getting O&A back on the air all the way to potentially fucking their shit up a year down the road.

The only way this makes any sort of sense is if Anthony told him behind the scenes that this was OK. But if that's not the case, this is bad, bad news.

That's why I'm kinda hoping the suspension doesn't end early, because if it does, it'll give the pests an unreal sense of entitlement that there will be NO turning back!

the pests are acting in this way because of PAC and show insider leadership.

obviously anthony or whoever is using zagman and his 'O&A fired' shtick to mobilize support in their dispute with XM. to prevent the firing.

mate, you better PRAY the suspension ends early, you dont seem to get that Ron & Fez's future is at stake here. for the buddays to continue to do the show they want to do in the city they want to, they are DEPENDENT on a strong O&A show coming back as a friendly flagship in the merger.

the reality is R&F probably couldnt justify a channel on their own, their XM numbers have been inflated by cross-overs and quite probably would still be in bumF Virginia if it wasnt for opie. i think we as r&f fans owe them a small gesture of solidarity

these few days are probably the most important in r&f's future career in NYC/sat radio.

-- ok, continue your little arguments about WHY they were suspended and wanking eachother off for doing nothing, joining a pressure group to be with the cool kids, then ignoring the leadership of people who are actually involved in the situation----

[AKA]

the reality is R&F probably couldnt justify a channel on their own

R&F could absolutely anchor their own station on sat-rad, and according to their own comments made earlier in the year (pre-merger talk) it had been discussed with XM.

R&F's appeal is larger than any other radio show out there - this isn't hyperboil or spin; they can get teens to grandparents; truckers to bleeding hearts; O&A fans to Broadminded fans; and even some Bob Edwards fans; any company would be lucky to have and exploit their talents.

Few radio show use the phones more than Ron and Fez, and even though there was this exodus last week, the calls into R&F were always there, and were often pretty good.

[Don Stugots]

i am with AKA on that point. Ron & Fez could most certainly carry their own channel, it is something all of us talk about at any event. Big Ass Channel 203, the line up of which was sparked more than one thread here and a couple of posts here and there in other threads.

[moochcassidy]

R&F could absolutely anchor their own station on sat-rad, and according to their own comments made earlier in the year (pre-merger talk) it had been discussed with XM.

R&F's appeal is larger than any other radio show out there - this isn't hyperboil or spin; they can get teens to grandparents; truckers to bleeding hearts; O&A fans to Broadminded fans; and even some Bob Edwards fans; any company would be lucky to have and exploit their talents.

Few radio show use the phones more than Ron and Fez, and even though there was this exodus last week, the calls into R&F were always there, and were often pretty good.

look, i love the show too, its the best show nt in the history of the radio in my opinion..and im not bullshitting there. i enjoy it probably more than anything else in my life.

but the talk of their own channel was taking into account a massive amount of O&A crossover... they are gone if they get fired.

obviously its conjecture but id shoot that at least 1/3 of r&f listeners are gone if XM dont back down. if they couldnt justify their own channel 6 months ago with the O&A lead-in, how can they do it now?

i know we love R&F more than the other show, but the dogs in the street know that O&A get better figures and may not have a broader appeal but slay the 'money demo' which is what makes the decisions in the corporation.

without O&A the buddays are sunk..they might take over 202 for good but it wont have the same advertising clout and r&f's currency as talent within the organisation (especially post-merger) will diminish.

[feralBoy]

mate, you better PRAY the suspension ends early, you dont seem to get that Ron & Fez's future is at stake here. for the buddays to continue to do the show they want to do in the city they want to, they are DEPENDENT on a strong O&A show coming back as a friendly flagship in the merger.

the reality is R&F probably couldnt justify a channel on their own, their XM numbers have been inflated by cross-overs and quite probably would still be in bumF Virginia if it wasnt for opie. i think we as r&f fans owe them a small gesture of solidarity


There is no way that the suspension is ending early. XM would never cave like that. It would make them look weak. They made a decision, and i'm pretty sure they will stick with it.

As far as a gesture of solidarity....if ron and fez were the ones suspended, and perhaps fired, do you think opie would be calling for pests to cancel their subs? no.

[moochcassidy]

There is no way that the suspension is ending early. XM would never cave like that. It would make them look weak. They made a decision, and i'm pretty sure they will stick with it.

As far as a gesture of solidarity....if ron and fez were the ones suspended, and perhaps fired, do you think opie would be calling for pests to cancel their subs? no.

obviously they wouldnt come out publicly and say it.

but if their show's survival was at stake and fez's brother, ron's chick, mikeyboy, rf.net and pressure group made up of fan membership were asking them to do it, i reckon alot of pests would be willing to make a futile gesture in solidarity to support them in an economic dispute.

this isnt really about the hosts at this point O&A or R&F. theve been publically imasculated and probably privately threatened by XM to stay silent in this discourse.

This is a consumer issue. are you willing to use your individual economic power to make a statement to those trying to censor the type of talk radio we purchase.

[TooLowBrow]

ok, new slant here... if o&a don't come back, or if they get flat out fired somewhere down the line, would xm allow them to stop by and do some radio on r&f? would they lose their show or the ability to be heard on xm airwaves at all? xm is does not have the same rules as terrestrial, so could they still pull of afro shows to help keep r&f's #'s up?

[nightnight]

ok, new slant here... if o&a don't come back, or if they get flat out fired somewhere down the line, would xm allow them to stop by and do some radio on r&f? would they lose their show or the ability to be heard on xm airwaves at all? xm is does not have the same rules as terrestrial, so could they still pull of afro shows to help keep r&f's #'s up?

regarding this scenario. as long as o&a are being paid by xm, they won't be coming on the air. they will have to follow all the rules until the contract is up. after they were fired from wnew they were still being paid, i am assuming the same will be applied if they are fired from xm.

[TooLowBrow]

regarding this scenario. as long as o&a are being paid by xm, they won't be coming on the air. they will have to follow all the rules until the contract is up. after they were fired from wnew they were still being paid, i am assuming the same will be applied if they are fired from xm.
the reason they are fired wouldn't constitute a breach of contract?

[nightnight]

the sex for sam thing got them just as much heat if not more and they still got paid during the 2+ years they were off the air.

[AKA]

obviously its conjecture but id shoot that at least 1/3 of r&f listeners are gone if XM dont back down.

Disagree - if 100,000 subscribers (out of 7 million) left, and half of those also listened to R&F, then that puts R&F's numbers at 150,000 - is that good or bad? I have no idea.

The only real way for XM to quatify that is by the number of phone calls R&F get, and (as I said) last week they were not stuggling for the calls.

if they couldnt justify their own channel 6 months ago with the O&A lead-in, how can they do it now?

Priorities shifted when merger talks began - same reason they stopped signing big names like Oprah and Bob Dylan; if they need to, they can absolutely do it now.

but the dogs in the street know that O&A get better figures and may not have a broader appeal but slay the 'money demo' which is what makes the decisions in the corporation.

I am not going to get into debating O&A numbers and get pigeonholed as a hater, but the "dogs in the street" aren't taking everything into account (ie: a huge influx from the Free FM deal just didn't happen).

without O&A the buddays are sunk..

ugh

they might take over 202 for good but it wont have the same advertising clout and r&f's currency as talent within the organisation (especially post-merger) will diminish.

You don't think clever ad reps can expand the advertising to people who wouldn't advertise on the Virus before?

[feralBoy]

This is a consumer issue. are you willing to use your individual economic power to make a statement to those trying to censor the type of talk radio we purchase.

The thing is, if it was purely about censorship, then maybe I would make a stand. OnA have been allowed to say some raunchy shit, and XM has never cared. But what happened was, the wrong thing was said at the wrong time. They were joking around with a homeless man about him fucking the secretary of state, during a time where radio was being micro-analyzed.

XM the corporation, does not have a responsibilty to provide free speech. However, they do have a responsibilty to the shareholders. And if they felt that OnA making light of the comments about the secretary of state would hinder a 7 Billion dollar merger, then they made the correct corporate decision. XM and Sirius need government approval to merge, and they didn't want to offend the higher ups. Do you think they give a fuck about OnA listeners cancelling? No. It's irrelevant. It's pennies compared to the merger deal.

As far as Ron and Fez carrying their own channel. Just a look at OnA and Ron and Fez free FM ratings.
OnA
12+ 1.6
25-54 2.4
18-34 3.1

RnF
12+ 2.3
25-34 3.4
18-34 4.4

Granted, there are factors that could have pulled OnA down, XM cannabalism and JV and elvis dead hour, but RnF have strong ratings, and could easily carry their own XM channel.

[johnniewalker]

ONA
12+ 1.6
25-54 2.4
18-34 3.1

RnF
12+ 2.3
25-34 3.4
18-34 4.4

Granted, there are factors that could have pulled OnA down, XM cannabalism and JV and elvis dead hour, but RnF have strong ratings, and could easily carry their own XM channel.

Where are you getting these ratings, how could a morning show get less ratings than a 6-9 show? That doesn't make sense.

[moochcassidy]

The thing is, if it was purely about censorship, then maybe I would make a stand. OnA have been allowed to say some raunchy shit, and XM has never cared. But what happened was, the wrong thing was said at the wrong time. They were joking around with a homeless man about him fucking the secretary of state, during a time where radio was being micro-analyzed.

XM the corporation, does not have a responsibilty to provide free speech. However, they do have a responsibilty to the shareholders. And if they felt that OnA making light of the comments about the secretary of state would hinder a 7 Billion dollar merger, then they made the correct corporate decision. XM and Sirius need government approval to merge, and they didn't want to offend the higher ups. Do you think they give a fuck about OnA listeners cancelling? No. It's irrelevant. It's pennies compared to the merger deal.

As far as Ron and Fez carrying their own channel. Just a look at OnA and Ron and Fez free FM ratings.
OnA
12+ 1.6
25-54 2.4
18-34 3.1

RnF
12+ 2.3
25-34 3.4
18-34 4.4

Granted, there are factors that could have pulled OnA down, XM cannabalism and JV and elvis dead hour, but RnF have strong ratings, and could easily carry their own XM channel.

i couldnt give a shit about the ideal of censorship..its youre country. im saying as a consumer i dont want the radio i buy to be controlled by an agenda driven media and restrictions put on the hosts to placate Washington.

true, XM is beholden to its shareholders, no i dont think they give a fuck about O&A listeners, and yes now government does have control over its future, it may be a good corporate decision but coming from a customers perspective i oppose it.

they arent in trouble for saying that stuff about rice..as you stated they are in the shit becasue they were being micro-analysed. they are not to blame in this..media influence, political pressure and XM capitulation is.

you do realise the pointlessness of comparing those figures right? the shows are on in completely different times, the morning slot is far more competitive and therefore a smaller percentage of market share is irrelevant to overall listener numbers- which will be the deciding factor in this case.

[johnniewalker]

I understand that, but that perception is incorrect in many ways since they weren't suspended for the actual segment.

Maybe we are reading it in a different way, "The management of XM Radio decided to suspend Opie and Anthony to make clear that our on-air talent must take seriously the responsibility that creative freedom requires of them." This was the same message from XM's statement. He's saying they got suspended for insubordination, but the perception can be inferred that it wasn't

[moochcassidy]

Where are you getting these ratings, how could a morning show get less ratings than a 6-9 show? That doesn't make sense.

they really havent got their heads around this whole 'percentage' concept yet.

[johnniewalker]

Aka,
We all love ron and fez otherwise we wouldn't be here, but Ron and Fez are fatally linked to Opie and Anthony. They are sitting ducks on a channel created for Opie and Anthony. You don't think the same people watching O and A aren't looking at the only other show on O and A's channel. If you think that this automatically ends with the heads O and A you are sorely wrong. Not to mention if O and A are collateral damage for the merger, do you really think they are going to strongly back R and F like they matter. This may end really ugly and all things connected might go away.

As to them being able to run a channel by themselves, it seems that management has been more behind Ron and Fez than O and A. Manelli posted a bit about how well Ron and Fez are doing on the dentist's website. I'm positive they could build a base large enough, but its clearly not large enough now. It's all speculation, but the easy point is that as of right now O and A coming back is good for R and F.

[johnniewalker]

you really havent got your head around this whole 'percentage' concept yet.

Oh, are they are in relation to the whole audience at the time? I see...

[moochcassidy]

You don't think clever ad reps can expand the advertising to people who wouldn't advertise on the Virus before?


yeah, ok. your right lets put our trust in those 'clever ad reps' to do the best thing for the customers and the standard of the show.


lets get your big spending demos, the- "teens to grandparents; truckers to bleeding hearts" behind this fucker and we'll shit all over the ratings book.

wake up

[AKA]

yeah, ok. your right lets put our trust in those 'clever ad reps' to do the best thing for the customers and the standard of the show.

I guess the part where I said I had faith in R&F is meaningless.

http://www.crmef.org/pblas/images/boring_lecture4.gif

I'm convinced - a Ron and Fez fan site should be defeatest.

Canceling XM and stealing content is going to help them.

Gabba Gabba Hey

[Tenbatsuzen]

christ, aka, mojo, and myself, all agreeing on the same thing, this is nuts

the reason why O&A has worse ratings than R&F is because O&A's show is primarily heard on XM in NYC. we've gone over these reasons before. basically no one who has XM listens to k-rock for O&A.

XM is pissed because O&A talked about the segment, not because of the actual segment. XM told Sharpton to go away - that should give you all the indication you need that XM is supporting O&A.

XM wanted/needed the heat from the segment to die down, and gave them instructions not to discuss it on the air so the media had nothing to work with, using examples from Imus' situations. How hard is this to understand?

[moochcassidy]

I guess the part where I said I had faith in R&F is meaningless.

http://www.crmef.org/pblas/images/boring_lecture4.gif

I'm convinced - a Ron and Fez fan site should be defeatest.

Canceling XM and stealing content is going to help them.

Gabba Gabba Hey



faith's not the issue. R&F cant do this for us.

" the acceptance of defeat without struggle"

sounds about right for this thread,


if only you went trying to be sarcastic you might have made sense.

[johnniewalker]

christ, aka, mojo, and myself, all agreeing on the same thing, this is nuts

the reason why O&A has worse ratings than R&F is because O&A's show is primarily heard on XM in NYC. we've gone over these reasons before. basically no one who has XM listens to k-rock for O&A.

XM is pissed because O&A talked about the segment, not because of the actual segment. XM told Sharpton to go away - that should give you all the indication you need that XM is supporting O&A.

XM wanted/needed the heat from the segment to die down, and gave them instructions not to discuss it on the air so the media had nothing to work with, using examples from Imus' situations. How hard is this to understand?

Not to keep this going, but why wouldn't someone come out and say stop cancelling your accounts(likewise why would opie's brother and ant's sister say to cancel). Why would wackbag be so forceful that O and A are fired?

[AKA]

christ, aka, mojo, and myself, all agreeing on the same thing, this is nuts

Where did Christ sign in? Oooooh...yeah...anyway, it is definately a sure sign I personally need to take a step away from this topic. I have been consistant in my supporting anyone who does what they want to do - I just get annoyed at the lecture talk is all.

[moochcassidy]

christ, aka, mojo, and myself, all agreeing on the same thing, this is nuts

the reason why O&A has worse ratings than R&F is because O&A's show is primarily heard on XM in NYC. we've gone over these reasons before. basically no one who has XM listens to k-rock for O&A.

XM is pissed because O&A talked about the segment, not because of the actual segment. XM told Sharpton to go away - that should give you all the indication you need that XM is supporting O&A.

XM wanted/needed the heat from the segment to die down, and gave them instructions not to discuss it on the air so the media had nothing to work with, using examples from Imus' situations. How hard is this to understand?

...and back to the 'why?' conversation.

keep sitting on yer hands boys. apparently the company did the right thing, O&A will be back on the 15th and it'll be beer and whistles again at 202

my conscience is clear

[Tenbatsuzen]

Not to keep this going, but why wouldn't someone come out and say stop cancelling your accounts(likewise why would opie's brother and ant's sister say to cancel). Why would wackbag be so forceful that O and A are fired?

Because wackbag has always been chock full of rational, clear-thinking people who have both an entrance and exit strategy for every plan they have?

/sarcasm

if O&A were going to be fired, they would have been already. it took four days from Imus' suspension to firing, and about a week for JV and Elvis's. If O&A aren't fired by the weekend, they are fine.

Basically, XM suspended them to tell them to STFU about this, and are probably listening VERY carefully to what they are saying on the CBS show. As long as O&A keep their mouths shut, they'll be back on XM within a month's time.

[Tenbatsuzen]

As far as a gesture of solidarity....if ron and fez were the ones suspended, and perhaps fired, do you think opie would be calling for pests to cancel their subs? no.

Opie supported JV and Elvis, and there was a LOT more animosity there.

And Ron hasn't been telling people to cancel their subs.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Again, if O&A are fired, I will join the front lines and bleed for the cause. But until then, I am staying put. I've already done this once in 2002, I am not going to go through it again unless I have to. And besides, they still have a job on CBS. Perhaps getting fired from XM only is part of their master plan.

[AKA]

...and back to the 'why?' conversation.

keep sitting on yer hands boys. apparently the company did the right thing, O&A will be back on the 15th and it'll be beer and whistles again at 202

my conscience is clear

And Matty was the one trying to be divisive?

[Tenbatsuzen]

And Matty was the one trying to be divisive?

I'm lovable that way.

[moochcassidy]

And Ron hasn't been telling people to cancel their subs.


equally he hasnt said one word in support of XM or the suspension.

he has however made a few veiled comments about 'if you wanna help...join the exodus' and 'if...im cancelling'

if your waiting for ron to tell you what to do..keep waiting

[mikeyboy]

equally he hasnt said one word in support of XM or the suspension.

he has however made a few veiled comments about 'if you wanna help...join the exodus' and 'if...im cancelling'

if your waiting for ron to tell you what to do..keep waiting

Come on. That didn't happen exactly that way. There was a really shitty caller, and Ron said something to the effect of

"I hate you so much. I wish you were part of the exodus. Go to the PAC"

[moochcassidy]

Come on. That didn't happen exactly that way. There was a really shitty caller, and Ron said something to the effect of

"I hate you so much. I wish you were part of the exodus. Go to the PAC"

fair enough, i'll take your word for that one, he still mentioned it though

was today show intro enough for you. 37 mins in hes mentioned being pissed off at XM what 5 times?

[Tenbatsuzen]

fair enough, i'll take your word for that one, he still mentioned it though

was today show intro enough for you. 37 mins in hes mentioned being pissed off at XM what 5 times?

He's allowed to be pissed at XM. He didn't say anyone was fired though.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wait a second, re-reading this thread - has Ant's chick, Dawn, Brother Joe, or Elmo come out and posted that people should be cancelling their subs? Or did I mis-read something?

[mikeyboy]

Wait a second, re-reading this thread - has Ant's chick, Dawn, Brother Joe, or Elmo come out and posted that people should be cancelling their subs? Or did I mis-read something?

They have.

[johnniewalker]

Wait a second, re-reading this thread - has Ant's chick, Dawn, Brother Joe, or Elmo come out and posted that people should be cancelling their subs? Or did I mis-read something?

Yeah, elmo has a letter (http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=67665) on wackbag, ant's chick posted something, and i think dawn said something on her myspace. I'm not sure brother joe though.

[Tenbatsuzen]

They have.

Interesting.

So this is either a powerplay by O&A to get back on XM early OR they are really in fear of their jobs.

Or they are trying to get fired from XM. Because they figure they'll be fired anyway once the merger goes through.

I'm still wondering if Zagman's "stop the merger" post was ghostwritten by Anthony or not.

Conspiracy time:

If O&A are free and clear of XM, then they can possibly inherit the WFAN morning slot, because they'll have no time restrictions.

As nice as the Free-FM gig is, the WFAN morning slot is much, MUCH more desirable.

[JPMNICK]

Interesting.

So this is either a powerplay by O&A to get back on XM early OR they are really in fear of their jobs.

Or they are trying to get fired from XM. Because they figure they'll be fired anyway once the merger goes through.

I'm still wondering if Zagman's "stop the merger" post was ghostwritten by Anthony or not.

Conspiracy time:

If O&A are free and clear of XM, then they can possibly inherit the WFAN morning slot, because they'll have no time restrictions.

As nice as the Free-FM gig is, the WFAN morning slot is much, MUCH more desirable.

there is no way O&A are dumb enough to think they need to get fired now due to a merger that has a better chance of not happening then going through.

[Tenbatsuzen]

there is no way O&A are dumb enough to think they need to get fired now due to a merger that has a better chance of not happening then going through.

What indications have you seen that the merger won't go through? Both companies are not doing well, and don't have any forecasts of doing well anytime soon.

[Ballbuster]

It's important that people make a financial statement to XM. We need to cancel our XM subs. The only thing they'll understand is when they lose money. I had prepaid my four subs for three years. I cancelled all of them. During the suspension I'll spend some time listening to some of their old shows on my iPod. And don't feel like you're disrespecting Ron & Fez if you cancel XM, I would hope they'd appreciate the fan support if they were in the same boat. And who knows when Ronnie's gonna make some comment about which uncle fucked the stupid into Earl's dumb, lying ass.

We need to keep the pressure on XM. It's been less than a week and it seems like their support is waning already. We have to keep contacting them, and keep pressure on all of their advertisers too. We need to be smart and respectful when talking to these people. Make an attempt at least to sound as smart as Debbie "The Wolf" AKA "HTG" has on all of her television appearances. (Great job Deb, really proud of you-I can see you signing a contract soon too) Don't send them e-mails that say "Bring back Opie and Anthony! You Fuckin assholes!" Even though that may be how you feel, that won't work. We need to keep the live protests going and we can't show up looking like we usually do at O&A events. Nobody is going to respect or even listen to a mob of overweight guys in black "Pest" shirts. We need to show them that we have more numbers than the people who are complaining about the bad language. We need to take advantage of those of us with technical savvy to keep them busy reading e-mails, letters and dealing with phone calls. They need to be made to realize how many fans O&A (and R&F, for that matter) have, and what a mistake they made when they wrongly took them off the air, especially for the comments of a homeless guy.

We need to keep this about Freedom of Speech. They're on an XL channel (Xtreme Language) which means XM knew they'd use that kind of language or they wouldn't have labeled it an XL channel. These women who are always complaining that they don't want their children to hear this kind of talk on the radio need to parent their own kids, instead of plopping them in front of a radio or TV and then not monitoring what they're listening to or watching. Look, I love O&A but I wouldn't let my kids listen to their XM show. Even some of their Free FM stuff is questionable. Don't sit there screaming about how you want this guy, or that guy off the air because you don't like their language or what they said on the air. If you don't like it, turn it off or Change the channel, there are 169 others to choose from. Stop trying to take things that others enjoy away from them. They already have a system in place that gets rid of the talent that people don't like, Its call ratings. If nobody likes them they won't listen, the ratings will suck, and they'll get fired. If the ratings are strong then it’s obvious that there are plenty of people that do want to hear them. In that case XM (or whoever it is that owns, or is running the company) should ignore a few complainers.

I'm really surprised here, XM was supposed to be the company with a backbone, willing to stand up for the boys. The ones who brought them back when nobody would touch them. We need to make sure they realize their mistake. They should never attempt to stifle free expression. If O&A can't get back on XM they are finished. Without the ability to be edgy I don't think they can be the hysterically funny show of the late 90's into 2002. It's a whole new (more fucked up) world since Janet's tit popped out at the Superbowl. We're living in a post tit, post Imus world. It's not a good time for radio and television.

People Against Censorship
http://www.peopleagainstcensorship.org

HTG takes on Sharpton, and whoops him---> http://newsbusters.org/node/12870 (Deb, love the pearls gives you that sophisticated look)

We need to let the advertisers know that we can boycott too. O&A's biggest fan demo is the 25 to 54 group, which just happens to be the demo that has, and spends more money than any other demo group. Advertisers know this.


Oh, and one more thing, we need to start writing letters to the FCC too. We should be worried about the monopoly that the merger would create; especially one that's being run by Stern's bitch.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This is not about freedom of speech or freedom of expression. This is about insubordination at a bad time so O&A can continue having their freedom of speech and freedom of expression.

I will not be cancelling my XM sub unless O&A are actually fired, and then I will consider it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Oh, and one more thing, we need to start writing letters to the FCC too. We should be worried about the monopoly that the merger would create; especially one that's being run by Stern's bitch.

Riiiight. So you'd rather have them working for a guy who cancelled ECW's first PPV and has suspended them, rather than the guy who let the show evolve into when it was at it's best.

Mel is not the anti-Christ.

[feralBoy]

Oh, and one more thing, we need to start writing letters to the FCC too. We should be worried about the monopoly that the merger would create; especially one that's being run by Stern's bitch.

I'm just not sure what trying to prevent a merger accomplishes. If the two companies cannot exist as separate entities, and there only way to survive is by merging, then preventing the merger gives up any hope of uncensored content. You will be left with terrestrial radio. I just don't get it. As my grandmother used to say, "it's biting your nose to spite your face."

[Recyclerz]

What indications have you seen that the merger won't go through? Both companies are not doing well, and don't have any forecasts of doing well anytime soon.

The FCC really has to back track on its earlier pronouncements and regulations (esp. both sat. licenses not being owned by one party) to wave this through. Government agencies usually don't like to do that.

Proving that a monopoly is in the consumer's interest and is not anti-competitive is really pushing a rock up a big hill. Ask Mikey, Eli or one of the other attorneys on the Board.

If the merger doesn't go through,it wouldn't necessarily mean the end of either or both XM and Sirius. It would push both companies to go find themselves a big media company to buy them out and add them to the portfolio. If any of the big boys (TimeWarner, CBS Radio, Clear Channel, et al.) could buy these companies on the cheap and reinvigorate the growth I'm sure they would. (They would probably rooon it for the listeners in the long run but that's another story).

All that said, if R&F and O&A aren't going to be on it long term I'm not going to be listening anyway.

[DonInNC]

R&F could absolutely anchor their own station on sat-rad, and according to their own comments made earlier in the year (pre-merger talk) it had been discussed with XM.

R&F's appeal is larger than any other radio show out there - this isn't hyperboil or spin; they can get teens to grandparents; truckers to bleeding hearts; O&A fans to Broadminded fans; and even some Bob Edwards fans; any company would be lucky to have and exploit their talents.

Few radio show use the phones more than Ron and Fez, and even though there was this exodus last week, the calls into R&F were always there, and were often pretty good.

I agree. Ron and Fez's biggest problem is their time slot, both the live show and the replay. If they had a drive time show with some push from XM, they'd be more than able to carry a channel.

[AKA]

Come on. That didn't happen exactly that way. There was a really shitty caller, and Ron said something to the effect of

"I hate you so much. I wish you were part of the exodus. Go to the PAC"

And that could easily be seen as a slam on those in the exodus.

Who knows.

[JPMNICK]

What indications have you seen that the merger won't go through? Both companies are not doing well, and don't have any forecasts of doing well anytime soon.

I think the whole entry into the market cost for what would then become a 2nd company is so massive, they would have to keep these 2 apart.

even though both companies are bleeding money, they keep coming closer to profitability, which once that happens, gives the regulators less incentive to push this through.

and even if it does happen, 18 months down the road, why blow shit up now. it would be like you walking into your job and punching a coworker because where you work might get bought out in the next 2 years, why stop the paycheck and get your name in less places?

[moochcassidy]

Wait a second, re-reading this thread - has Ant's chick, Dawn, Brother Joe, or Elmo come out and posted that people should be cancelling their subs? Or did I mis-read something?

yes they have...youve not really read up on this issue have you?

[Tenbatsuzen]

yes they have...youve not really read up on this issue have you?

Forgive me, getting married and being on my honeymoon kinda takes precedence over this incident. Especially since this is the only board I read.

[moochcassidy]

Forgive me, getting married and being on my honeymoon kinda takes precedence over this incident. Especially since this is the only board I read.

not a problem friend.

hey, maybe you should fight the urge to start divisive and useless threads attempting to start trouble until you've educated yourself a bit about this situation.

[Tenbatsuzen]

not a problem friend.

hey, maybe you should fight the urge to start divisive and useless threads attempting to stoke up division until you've educated yourself a bit about this situation.

I'm familiar with the original incident, the XM press release, and what the rest of the pests are doing. I've really started no real "divisive" threads about this other than the civil war thread. I was trying to point out to people that if XM is to believed, this is for insubordination, not content. This is recinfoced by the fact that XM didn't meet with Sharpton. This is also reinforced by the media heat dying down and O&A still having a job on regular radio.

I'm also familiar with the fact that Opie admitted on-air that the Menino stunt was to get them fired so they could work at WNEW.

I also know that Zagman is apparently one really creepy dude. I also know that if O&A get fired, all of the cancelled subs will be pointless because then we'll have no ammunition to make a real statement.

I know that I am not doing anything until O&A's status changed. I'll listen on Free, I'll support Free's advertisers (hotels.com, hello!) and if they are fired, then I will consider cancelling XM.

[moochcassidy]

I also know that if O&A get fired, all of the cancelled subs will be pointless because then we'll have no ammunition to make a real statement.



elaborate on that. it doesnt make sense. if by "ammunition to make a real statement" you refer to the ability to threaten to cancel once the announcement has already been made in order to someway protect r&f, youre logic is flawed.

at that point to flex your consumer muscle really would be pointless.

if you intend to make a statement over the way 202 talent has been treated it needs to be done before O&A are fired. maybe youve been too busy with wedding preperations to notice, but the 'real statement' has already begun in the national media by the 12,000 members of the PAC.

[mikeyboy]

I'm familiar with the original incident, the XM press release, and what the rest of the pests are doing. I've really started no real "divisive" threads about this other than the civil war thread. I was trying to point out to people that if XM is to believed, this is for insubordination, not content. This is recinfoced by the fact that XM didn't meet with Sharpton. This is also reinforced by the media heat dying down and O&A still having a job on regular radio.

That was really enough. It was an oversimplification of the issue asking people to take one side or another, and it was really just opening up tensions between people that are already being discussed in this thread or the cancellation thread. I didn't see the thread until this morning when it devolved into something really stupid, or I would have locked it. I still might. Tensions are running high, and I'm trying to get people to engage in what is really an interesting dialogue while maintaining respect for each other. I'm trying to maintain order, and you're delighting in throwing a wrench in the works -- you start that Civil War thread to counter that and then turn that Mafia Life Chris thing personal. Don't pretend like you don't know what you're doing, because you know you do. Keep it up and I'll ban you from all threads discussing the O&A issue. Keep it going further and... well, you know the drill.

[Midkiff]

Not glorifying myself in any way here, but I really felt alone out there on this one. Thank goodness I did something right for a change.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That was really enough. It was an oversimplification of the issue asking people to take one side or another, and it was really just opening up tensions between people that are already being discussed in this thread or the cancellation thread. I didn't see the thread until this morning when it devolved into something really stupid, or I would have locked it. I still might. Tensions are running high, and I'm trying to get people to engage in what is really an interesting dialogue while maintaining respect for each other. I'm trying to maintain order, and you're delighting in throwing a wrench in the works -- you start that Civil War thread to counter that and then turn that Mafia Life Chris thing personal. Don't pretend like you don't know what you're doing, because you know you do. Keep it up and I'll ban you from all threads discussing the O&A issue. Keep it going further and... well, you know the drill.


Whoa, what are you talking about the ML thread? Chris was the one who was going with the name calling and the harassment. Not me.

And yes, the civil war thread was stupid. I full acknowledge that. But it turned kinda funny.

[mikeyboy]

Whoa, what are you talking about the ML thread? Chris was the one who was going with the name calling and the harassment. Not me.

And yes, the civil war thread was stupid. I full acknowledge that. But it turned kinda funny.

I read the ML Chris thread yesterday. Yes, Chris started throwing out the name calling (and he was warned about it), but you were the one inciting shit in that thread. I keep talking about showing respect. You weren't. Not in the least. Knock it off.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Mike, I think this is one of those times where you are letting my past crimes cloud what's going on here.

I'm of the firm belief that if XM wanted to fire O&A, they would have done so already. If they aren't fired by this weekend, then they'll be back on June 16th.

In fact, remember, I im'ed you - and pretty much only you and Fallon - to get a feel of "how bad" the situation was while I was gone last week.

You and I have both agreed in the fact that cancelling is not right until what happens with O&A.

I have been trying to maintain an intelligent discourse about this by re-iterating that this is about insubordination, not content. I haven't gone off on the pests like I'm prone to do. I haven't screamed "Wackbag sucks!" or put up photoshops of people smashing their radios.

I'm playing wait and see. Because as I said - I've done this in 2002. I'm not going to waste my energy if the suits have already made their mind, because there is no point.

[underdog]

I don't want to start a new thread about all of this, so I'll just post this here.

I know people are used to terrestrial radio stations firing their djs after they suspend them for a week or two, but why don't people realize that XM is different than regular radio? They gave a very specific timetable and an extremely specific reason for why O&A were suspended. And they told Al Sharpton to go fuck himself. Maybe I'm just naive, but I really feel XM is going to hold up to their word and put O&A back on the air when they said they would. And, anyone saying XM didn't see all these cancellations coming are crazy. Everyone knows how rabid O&A fans are and knew that if something like this happened, there would be a fallout.

Also, with all the solidarity talk and people saying RnF fans should be canceling their XM subs as well, how many O&A fans, who listen to the show on CBS radio, stopped listening to O&A on CBS when Imus was fired? He was actually fired, and CBS clearly folded to small interest groups, yet there was no real attempt at getting sponsors to pull their ads from CBS stations or O&A or their fans telling people to stop listening to all the Free-FM feeds. Same with JV & Elvis, and they were on the same station. Yet now everyone is supposed to completely screw over Ron and Fez (actual friends of the show) because O&A were wronged. I just don't get why it is expected that people who got XM specifically for Ron and Fez are now supposed to cancel and smash their units.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't want to start a new thread about all of this, so I'll just post this here.

I know people are used to terrestrial radio stations firing their djs after they suspend them for a week or two, but why don't people realize that XM is different than regular radio? They gave a very specific timetable and an extremely specific reason for why O&A were suspended. And they told Al Sharpton to go fuck himself. Maybe I'm just naive, but I really feel XM is going to hold up to their word and put O&A back on the air when they said they would. And, anyone saying XM didn't see all these cancellations coming are crazy. Everyone knows how rabid O&A fans are and knew that if something like this happened, there would be a fallout.

Also, with all the solidarity talk and people saying RnF fans should be canceling their XM subs as well, how many O&A fans, who listen to the show on CBS radio, stopped listening to O&A on CBS when Imus was fired? He was actually fired, and CBS clearly folded to small interest groups, yet there was no real attempt at getting sponsors to pull their ads from CBS stations or O&A or their fans telling people to stop listening to all the Free-FM feeds. Same with JV & Elvis, and they were on the same station. Yet now everyone is supposed to completely screw over Ron and Fez (actual friends of the show) because O&A were wronged. I just don't get why it is expected that people who got XM specifically for Ron and Fez are now supposed to cancel and smash their units.

I admire your ideas and want to hear more.

[underdog]

I admire your ideas and want to hear more.

I just like to steal your ideas. Its much quicker.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just like to steal your ideas. Its much quicker.

I am Lex Luthor.

[TheMojoPin]

You two are so handsome.

[Kevin]

I am Lex Luthor.

http://z.about.com/d/prowrestling/1/0/P/-/-/-/lexluger.JPG

[SinA]

what's going on here? is everyone getting along is this thread now?

i can start calling people names if that'll get things moving again.

[HBox]

what's going on here? is everyone getting along is this thread now?

i can start calling people names if that'll get things moving again.

Shut up Skippy, I'll censor your face.

[Kevin]

Shut up Skippy, I'll censor your face.

SKIPPY!!! YOU CANT SAY THAT!!! :banning:

[sailor]

SKIPPY!!! YOU CANT SAY THAT!!! :banning:

yeah, that's hittin' too low.

http://www.thecomedycatch.com/comedians/marc.gif

[davidb72]

I was all fired up the day they got suspended, but now that it is clear that the suspension was for insubordination and not for the comments of a whacky homeless guy then I say "oh well".

We all have bosses we have to answer to. We all have to be smart and pick our fights.

(DISCLAIMER)

I did call up today and demand a month's credit for my four radios though. I was more pissed about the shitty reception then the suspension, but hey a free month is a free month!

[Midkiff]

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x64/cuntburgers/IMUS.jpg

[maxx99bx]

Anyone think XM will change the schedule on 202 after O & A return? I can't listed to R & F at work, and then the replay isn't until midnight, after I'm already asleep. I'd like to see a R & F replay at 3pm. Maybe we can start a movement.

[J.Clints]

Anyone think XM will change the schedule on 202 after O & A return? I can't listed to R & F at work, and then the replay isn't until midnight, after I'm already asleep. I'd like to see a R & F replay at 3pm. Maybe we can start a movement.

Is the girl in you avatar jumping on a pogo stick..............


















or sitting on a pogo stick?

[Bossanova]

Wait a second.............. Opie and Anthony were suspended?

[J.Clints]

Wait a second.............. Opie and Anthony were suspended?

I have not heard. Did this just happen?

[Bossanova]

I have not heard. Did this just happen?

Did it involve a wiffle bat?

[J.Clints]

Did it involve a wiffle bat?

No I think I heard someting about "nappy headed hoes and a money snatch"....Not sure though.

[Bossanova]

No I think I heard someting about "nappy headed hoes and a money snatch"....Not sure though.

Wait a minute......... I though it was wierd that Ron and Fez were on all day on XM

[J.Clints]

Wait a minute......... I though it was wierd that Ron and Fez were on all day on XM

:clap:

[J.Clints]

Wait a minute......... I though it was wierd that Ron and Fez were on all day on XM

were they live all day?

[Bossanova]

were they live all day?

Not sure. I somehow lost my XM subscription, but I can't remember how

[BoondockSaint]

Not sure. I somehow lost my XM subscription, but I can't remember how

I seem to have lost my Fez subscription. Ron comes in fine but I can't hear Fez at all.

[Bossanova]

I seem to have lost my Fez subscription. Ron comes in fine but I can't hear Fez at all.


:lol:

[RMPGP]

I don't want to start a new thread about all of this, so I'll just post this here.

I know people are used to terrestrial radio stations firing their djs after they suspend them for a week or two, but why don't people realize that XM is different than regular radio? They gave a very specific timetable and an extremely specific reason for why O&A were suspended. And they told Al Sharpton to go fuck himself. Maybe I'm just naive, but I really feel XM is going to hold up to their word and put O&A back on the air when they said they would. And, anyone saying XM didn't see all these cancellations coming are crazy. Everyone knows how rabid O&A fans are and knew that if something like this happened, there would be a fallout.

Also, with all the solidarity talk and people saying RnF fans should be canceling their XM subs as well, how many O&A fans, who listen to the show on CBS radio, stopped listening to O&A on CBS when Imus was fired? He was actually fired, and CBS clearly folded to small interest groups, yet there was no real attempt at getting sponsors to pull their ads from CBS stations or O&A or their fans telling people to stop listening to all the Free-FM feeds. Same with JV & Elvis, and they were on the same station. Yet now everyone is supposed to completely screw over Ron and Fez (actual friends of the show) because O&A were wronged. I just don't get why it is expected that people who got XM specifically for Ron and Fez are now supposed to cancel and smash their units.


You honestly believe that the RNF / ONA relationship is the same as the ONA / IMUS relationship or the ONA / JV&E relationship? Especially between fans?

You trust XM more than CBS... why? CBS laid out a specific time line for JV&E. At the end of that time line it was switched to indefinite.

[thelyonhart]

You honestly believe that the RNF / ONA relationship is the same as the ONA / IMUS relationship or the ONA / JV&E relationship? Especially between fans?

You trust XM more than CBS... why? CBS laid out a specific time line for JV&E. At the end of that time line it was switched to indefinite.

Thats a good point, in a business where real partnerships are very rarely made between shows, OnA and RnF have managed to put together a relationship that has lastest through shit like this allready, and it will last through this again. I'm not saying that RnF are fine with people bailing on XM because of how they are treating OnA but, they at least understand the circumstances. And Hey, at least with the laidback format of 202, they arent as backed against a wall for programming like they were when the bottom fell out of WNEW after sex for sam, which was , in my opinion, a much worse situation for RnF.

So yeah, you can't compare the relationship OnA have with RnF to the one they have with Imus, and ESPECIALLY the one they had with JV and Elvis, whom I seem to remember them not getting along with all that well. In these times of mounting pressure from censors, people band together who dont really like each other, like in the good words Don and Mike had to say about OnA the other day, and as such OnA are upset that JV and Elvis got cancelled. But RnF are more than just another show on thier station, and they will survive this, like they have survived shit like this in the past, and will in the future.

I dont know what the fuck I was just rambling about but, yeah, if you want to cancel your sub to support OnA I dont think you should worry too much about how RnF feel about it, especially if you are just doing it to ensure that OnA are broght back, and will re-up when they are.

[RMPGP]

Mike, I think this is one of those times where you are letting my past crimes cloud what's going on here.

I'm of the firm belief that if XM wanted to fire O&A, they would have done so already. If they aren't fired by this weekend, then they'll be back on June 16th.

In fact, remember, I im'ed you - and pretty much only you and Fallon - to get a feel of "how bad" the situation was while I was gone last week.

You and I have both agreed in the fact that cancelling is not right until what happens with O&A.

I have been trying to maintain an intelligent discourse about this by re-iterating that this is about insubordination, not content. I haven't gone off on the pests like I'm prone to do. I haven't screamed "Wackbag sucks!" or put up photoshops of people smashing their radios.

I'm playing wait and see. Because as I said - I've done this in 2002. I'm not going to waste my energy if the suits have already made their mind, because there is no point.

First, your sig banner is divisive.

In 2002, there was nothing you could have done. Right now, there is something concrete that you can do. As a collective group, we have power over XM. Divided we are weaker.

Look at it this way:

If you do nothing right now, you are not supporting Ron and Fez:
> You are letting XM suspend it's staff for no reason.
> You are act like a sheep being led to slaughter.
> XM will think they can pull this again in the future.

If XM do fire ONA at the end of 30 days:
> There's nothing you can do, your canceling will be meaningless and too late.
> You think they would rehire them?

If you cancel now and tell them it's because of ONA you:
> Send XM a strong message they can't fuck with 202 Talent.
> If they do fuck with 202 Talent, there are repercussions.
> Cut XM off at the turn if the do plan on firing ONA.
> Give XM the chance to make this situation right.

I think your vitriol and past history with "the pests" is clouding your judgment here. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with being a pest. For the most part, no one is pestering, they are making a stand. These aren't stupid ramone calls against some hack radio station.

Do you support the PAC?

[angrymissy]

First, your sig banner is divisive.

I think your vitriol and past history with "the pests" is clouding your judgment here. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with being a pest. For the most part, no one is pestering, they are making a stand. These aren't stupid ramone calls against some hack radio station.

Do you support the PAC?

Matt has said in several posts that he supports the PAC.

Some of us do not believe that O&A are fired. I won't until I hear it directly from XM or O&A. I called XM to complain because I thought it was a stupid suspension, I took the free month, and I sent a couple of emails last week, but I'm not cancelling.


If you do nothing right now, you are not supporting Ron and Fez:
> You are letting XM suspend it's staff for no reason.
> You are act like a sheep being led to slaughter.
> XM will think they can pull this again in the future.

I don't agree with you there. I feel cancelling would be not supporting Ron and Fez

[RMPGP]

Matt has said in several posts that he supports the PAC.

Some of us do not believe that O&A are fired. I won't until I hear it directly from XM or O&A. I called XM to complain because I thought it was a stupid suspension, I took the free month, and I sent a couple of emails last week, but I'm not cancelling.




I don't agree with you there. I feel cancelling would be not supporting Ron and Fez

I think canceling is the ultimate way to support RNF right now. I consider it a short term cancellation however, because once this shakes out, the right move will be clearer, and resubbing is a strong possibility. But we'll have to agree to disagree.

[underdog]

You honestly believe that the RNF / ONA relationship is the same as the ONA / IMUS relationship or the ONA / JV&E relationship? Especially between fans?

No, the relationship is much more personal with O&A and R&F. So HURTING Ron and Fez in order to "help" O&A is what I have a problem with.

You trust XM more than CBS... why? CBS laid out a specific time line for JV&E. At the end of that time line it was switched to indefinite.

Because XM has shown time and again that they aren't like normal terrestrial radio. Usually its through their incompetence, but they aren't run by (or have ever seemed to be, at least) typical radio guys.

And people like you are opening up a possibly disastrous can of worms by canceling and then listening through illegal methods, or just on PalTalk. I wouldn't be surprised if, after all of this calms down and O&A are back on XM that XM sends their lawyers after all of the sites hosting the torrents, or making paltalk remove their copyrighted materials.

Everyone's boycott really isn't a boycott, if you're still listening to the show. Instead of paying for the crack, you're just robbing someone for it. And you're showing XM that no matter what they do, you cannot live without their programming.

[RMPGP]

No, the relationship is much more personal with O&A and R&F. So HURTING Ron and Fez in order to "help" O&A is what I have a problem with.



Because XM has shown time and again that they aren't like normal terrestrial radio. Usually its through their incompetence, but they aren't run by (or have ever seemed to be, at least) typical radio guys.

And people like you are opening up a possibly disastrous can of worms by canceling and then listening through illegal methods, or just on PalTalk. I wouldn't be surprised if, after all of this calms down and O&A are back on XM that XM sends their lawyers after all of the sites hosting the torrents, or making paltalk remove their copyrighted materials.

Everyone's boycott really isn't a boycott, if you're still listening to the show. Instead of paying for the crack, you're just robbing someone for it. And you're showing XM that no matter what they do, you cannot live without their programming.

How is canceling XM to support ONA hurting Ron and Fez directly? Do you think XM is going to be mad at Ron and Fez for people unsubbing and cancel them? Do you think XM is going to go out of business due to the unsubs and Ron and Fez will be let go?

I don't see either scenario above being realistic, but I'd love to hear your take on it.

What I do see as being realistic is XM jettisoning the entire 202 platform once ONA are gone. Now they could move them to another channel, or they might not.

Maybe they'll decide Ron and Fez aren't worth the risk to retain since they are shock jocks, and they didn't get bit that badly with ONA leaving, then they'll be fine getting rid of them?

This whole unsub is symbolic right now. It's about taking a stand against a soulless corporation and flexing our muscle. If we don't do that now, it might be too late later on.

Plus, solidarity towards ONA by RNF fans will mean many ONA fans will be more willing to reciprocate if RNF are ever in this position. If we as RNF fans leave ONA high and dry right now, should we expect ONA fans to give a shit when RNF are in the barrel?

United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

[BalzacWB]

I also know that Zagman is apparently one really creepy dude.

have you meet zag before???

[JustJon]

have you meet zag before???

And no one else picked up on Tenbats antagonizing someone he's never met.

I have met Zag. He also IMed me with some advice about the board last night. Let's not go attacking people we don't know.

[BalzacWB]

And no one else picked up on Tenbats antagonizing someone he's never met.

I have met Zag. He also IMed me with some advice about the board last night. Let's not go attacking people we don't know.


thats what annoyed me, I dont agree with tens stance and I think hes blindly believing the xm press release but whatever, I'm not gonna attack or slam him for a difference of opinion.


what annoys me is someone talking shit about someone who they have never met, talked with or hung out with.
It's just as bad as the fucking douche bags who slam HTG for no reason without knowing her

[underdog]

How is canceling XM to support ONA hurting Ron and Fez directly? Do you think XM is going to be mad at Ron and Fez for people unsubbing and cancel them? Do you think XM is going to go out of business due to the unsubs and Ron and Fez will be let go?

I don't see either scenario above being realistic, but I'd love to hear your take on it.

What I feel is going to happen is when it comes time for Ron and Fez to get new contracts, XM is going to say, "Hey, remember that time when everyone canceled because of O&A, but no one stuck around for you? You're not needed here anymore." And just not re-up them. Or, in the unlikely situation that O&A do get fired, they'll just get rid of Ron and Fez as well, as no one who listens to 202 cares about them (or seems to, in XM's eyes).

[BalzacWB]

What I feel is going to happen is when it comes time for Ron and Fez to get new contracts, XM is going to say, "Hey, remember that time when everyone canceled because of O&A, but no one stuck around for you? You're not needed here anymore." And just not re-up them. Or, in the unlikely situation that O&A do get fired, they'll just get rid of Ron and Fez as well, as no one who listens to 202 cares about them (or seems to, in XM's eyes).

I really think you are way off here.


They wouldnt punish RnF for xm's/OnA's fuck up (depending on who you believe is at fault)

They might get rid of them to be rid of "shock" talk but not because of the cancellations, plus alot of people kept xm, more then who cancelled.

Also DC has liked RnF more then OnA since theyve come aboard, theyre just more likeable guys, OnA can be real pricks sometimes

[firenicez]

It's all the Fucking whiners out there that are fucking everything up for the rest of us! XM had (has) me so Pissed I was gonna throw my XM Radio out of the truck at 75mph! I've heard that many have smashed thier radios and thousands of people have cancelled thier subscriptinto XM Radio because of the O&A Suspension. My thought is If I react the same way...wen O&A Suposidly come back in a couple weeks I won't have my radio. The Man's got me by the balls either way!

Thank God...Ron and Fez...and Dave...and ok..Earl are here to keep us all sane for awhile.
Ron is Awesome. Love the quick comebacks!
Hope Fez will be ok...were prayin for ya budday
Congrats to Dave and Casey ! Don't let HTG steal the thunder...Fuckher

my impression of Earl---
um well yeah I ughh was doin some ughh (Evil Earl-FUCK!) ughh well theres jus soo much uhh yeah well I didnt ughh I was workin on (Evil Earl-Kiss My Ass Dave!) I ughh

[RMPGP]

What I feel is going to happen is when it comes time for Ron and Fez to get new contracts, XM is going to say, "Hey, remember that time when everyone canceled because of O&A, but no one stuck around for you? You're not needed here anymore." And just not re-up them. Or, in the unlikely situation that O&A do get fired, they'll just get rid of Ron and Fez as well, as no one who listens to 202 cares about them (or seems to, in XM's eyes).

OK valid points.

I'm just afraid the act of doing nothing (not canceling) ends up supporting no one since how can they attribute your staying on with being a Ron and Fez supporter. There are millions of people who didn't unsub after ONA got suspended, do you think XM believes they are all Ron and Fez supporters?

Even just accepting the 3 months free seems a little soft. It sends XM the message they can buy us.

Let's face it, in the grand scheme of things, 202 is just one of many many channels. As a Ron and Fez fan, we are a minority of a minority. For that we need to stick together. XM is dividing and conquering 202 and that's scary as hell.

We know ONA love RNF and vice versa. We know that when ONA are around RNF is around. In the past, when ONA go away so do RNF. Will history repeat itself? Even Fezzie was saying he felt this was NEW all over again.

So if a person didn't unsub to protest ONA, how do we know XM will give a shit? It's a drop in the bucket compared to the millions who don't even know who ONA are. The way we get their attention is by pulling our sub and putting our foot down.

When the fate of ONA is clear, I will be the first one to sign up again.

United We Stand. We are 202.

[AKA]

Also DC has liked RnF more then OnA since theyve come aboard

Where do you get THAT impression?

[RMPGP]

Where do you get THAT impression?

Hah - for one thing ONA weren't even notified about the company employee appreciation day, RNF were flown down to it and did the show on the road. ONA typed up a vulgar email and emailed it to the entire company.

[underdog]

OK valid points.

I'm just afraid the act of doing nothing (not canceling) ends up supporting no one since how can they attribute your staying on with being a Ron and Fez supporter. There are millions of people who didn't unsub after ONA got suspended, do you think XM believes they are all Ron and Fez supporters?

Even just accepting the 3 months free seems a little soft. It sends XM the message they can buy us.

Let's face it, in the grand scheme of things, 202 is just one of many many channels. As a Ron and Fez fan, we are a minority of a minority. For that we need to stick together. XM is dividing and conquering 202 and that's scary as hell.

We know ONA love RNF and vice versa. We know that when ONA are around RNF is around. In the past, when ONA go away so do RNF. Will history repeat itself? Even Fezzie was saying he felt this was NEW all over again.

So if a person didn't unsub to protest ONA, how do we know XM will give a shit? It's a drop in the bucket compared to the millions who don't even know who ONA are. The way we get their attention is by pulling our sub and putting our foot down.

When the fate of ONA is clear, I will be the first one to sign up again.

United We Stand. We are 202.

If people want to unsub, that's their freedom. People who are keeping their subscriptions are doing other things, like making phone calls and writing letters. There's no right or wrong in this situation. I just don't like the, "if you're not canceling, you're against us" sort of stance. It's very divisive.

And I just don't want Ron and Fez to be collateral damage in this war between O&A's Pests and XM.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Opie & Anthony Suspended by XM!!!!

When did this go down? Someone please, explain..... From the top.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Opie & Anthony Suspended by XM!!!!

When did this go down? Someone please, explain..... From the top.

Well, first the earth cooled. Then the dinosaurs came. But they got too big and fat, so they died and became oil. Then the Saudi Arabians came. And they bought mercedes benzes...

[moochcassidy]

It's all the Fucking whiners out there that are fucking everything up for the rest of us! XM had (has) me so Pissed I was gonna throw my XM Radio out of the truck at 75mph! I've heard that many have smashed thier radios and thousands of people have cancelled thier subscriptinto XM Radio because of the O&A Suspension. My thought is If I react the same way...wen O&A Suposidly come back in a couple weeks I won't have my radio. The Man's got me by the balls either way!

Thank God...Ron and Fez...and Dave...and ok..Earl are here to keep us all sane for awhile.
Ron is Awesome. Love the quick comebacks!
Hope Fez will be ok...were prayin for ya budday
Congrats to Dave and Casey ! Don't let HTG steal the thunder...Fuckher

my impression of Earl---
um well yeah I ughh was doin some ughh (Evil Earl-FUCK!) ughh well theres jus soo much uhh yeah well I didnt ughh I was workin on (Evil Earl-Kiss My Ass Dave!) I ughh

dude the reality of alot of that is people with a spare crappy old roady and want to make that BIG gesture publically. i support it, im advocating it- but i wouldnt do it either . i dont even have a receiver so its moot anyway so this post is pointless.

welcome aboard

[Dan 'Hampton]

Well, first the earth cooled. Then the dinosaurs came. But they got too big and fat, so they died and became oil. Then the Saudi Arabians came. And they bought mercedes benzes...

I was really banking on some dope refering me to an insane Wackbag thread.

[J.Clints]

Opie & Anthony Suspended by XM!!!!

When did this go down? Someone please, explain..... From the top.

Umm We already played this ole gag out. Please read the page before this! LOL

[BalzacWB]

Hah - for one thing ONA weren't even notified about the company employee appreciation day, RNF were flown down to it and did the show on the road. ONA typed up a vulgar email and emailed it to the entire company.

thanx budday

[RMPGP]

If people want to unsub, that's their freedom. People who are keeping their subscriptions are doing other things, like making phone calls and writing letters. There's no right or wrong in this situation. I just don't like the, "if you're not canceling, you're against us" sort of stance. It's very divisive.

And I just don't want Ron and Fez to be collateral damage in this war between O&A's Pests and XM.

I see what you are saying and totally respect your choices and decisions. I just wish the two communities would come together a little more.

And the pests thing is done. We are all under the umbrella of PAC now. PAC is a very respectable organization without the baggage of "pests". Check out wackbag and you'll see what I mean.

[RMPGP]

dude the reality of alot of that is people with a spare crappy old roady and want to make that BIG gesture publically. i support it, im advocating it- but i wouldnt do it either . i dont even have a receiver so its moot anyway so this post is pointless.

welcome aboard

Hah, if you listen to Ron and Fez on FM tonight, people are smashing $2000 laptops, priceless heirlooms, and other crazy things for shitty tickets to Satellite Party. ;)

Mooch - you know what you have to do. Smash your laptop!!! :D ;)

[SinA]

And no one else picked up on Tenbats antagonizing someone he's never met.

I have met Zag. He also IMed me with some advice about the board last night. Let's not go attacking people we don't know.


except noobs. it's still ok to attack noobs.

[underdog]

United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

Where are all the O&A fans standing up for Ron and Fez now? Where's all the supposed unity that everyone was yelling about (and still is) while trying to get R&F fans to cancel their XM subscriptions? Ron and Fez get kicked off of 92.3 and there's barely a word, outside of ronfez.net. Why doesn't everyone STOP listening to Opie and Anthony on terrestrial radio now?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Where are all the O&A fans standing up for Ron and Fez now? Where's all the supposed unity that everyone was yelling about (and still is) while trying to get R&F fans to cancel their XM subscriptions? Ron and Fez get kicked off of 92.3 and there's barely a word, outside of ronfez.net. Why doesn't everyone STOP listening to Opie and Anthony on terrestrial radio now?

Because Ron and Fez still have a job. And like it or not, Free-FM was failing miserably. I know you mean this in jest (probably), but there was more of an unfair situation what with happened with O&A than what happened with R&F.

At the end of the day, both parties still have a job and both parties are still easy to listen to, for the most part. And come June 16th, we go back to listening like we did back in Mid-December.

[underdog]

Because Ron and Fez still have a job. And like it or not, Free-FM was failing miserably. I know you mean this in jest (probably), but there was more of an unfair situation what with happened with O&A than what happened with R&F.

At the end of the day, both parties still have a job and both parties are still easy to listen to, for the most part. And come June 16th, we go back to listening like we did back in Mid-December.

Opie and Anthony still have a job, too, even if they get fired from XM. And Ron and Fez were bringing in killer ratings and just got thrown out. At least O&A did something to get taken off the air for.

I'm just overly annoyed at the whole way a lot of fans have been acting in this situation. Wackbag is almost unreadable at this point. An original post about R&F being taken off of FreeFM on Wednesday gets deleted, yet "O&A Fired From XM" is still at the top of the page. Everyone there, with a few exceptions, is yelling at Ron and Fez fans to cancel their subscriptions because this is about "more" than O&A, and that they'd all do the same for Ron and Fez. Yet they've just been given the shaft, and there's barely a word.

Opie and Anthony fans have basically turned into the Stern Fan Network. Its ridiculous. And I don't want Ron and Fez fucked because some fans are being convinced that this is "bigger" than O&A and R&F when its only about getting Opie and Anthony back on XM. It's the only thing 95% of the people complaining care about.

[BalzacWB]

Opie and Anthony still have a job, too, even if they get fired from XM. And Ron and Fez were bringing in killer ratings and just got thrown out. At least O&A did something to get taken off the air for.

I'm just overly annoyed at the whole way a lot of fans have been acting in this situation. Wackbag is almost unreadable at this point. An original post about R&F being taken off of FreeFM on Wednesday gets deleted, yet "O&A Fired From XM" is still at the top of the page. Everyone there, with a few exceptions, is yelling at Ron and Fez fans to cancel their subscriptions because this is about "more" than O&A, and that they'd all do the same for Ron and Fez. Yet they've just been given the shaft, and there's barely a word.

Opie and Anthony fans have basically turned into the Stern Fan Network. Its ridiculous. And I don't want Ron and Fez fucked because some fans are being convinced that this is "bigger" than O&A and R&F when its only about getting Opie and Anthony back on XM. It's the only thing 95% of the people complaining care about.

dude your so wrong its ridiculous.

there are threads on both fba and wackbag about writing letters to free fm to try and get them back on.
Also your missing the point that there is a fucking huge difference between xm and free.
XM costumers can directly effect the bottom line, free fm sponsors effect it. Can fans boycott sponsors to TRY and change things... sure, but unless you are al sharpton it doesn't seem to work.

Free FM did a TOTAL format switch, you think there gonna scratch that for a 3 hour block in the middle of that new format, no matter how good it is??


And trust me if the roles were reversed on xm the PAC, and the majority of those who cancelled from WB and FBA would do the same fucking thing.

[drusilla]

so happy i didn't cancel xm

[Don Stugots]

so happy i didn't cancel xm

me too.

[moochcassidy]

O&A FANS BACKLASH- 'PAC' MOBILIZES THOUSANDS TO BOYCOTT XM

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[Johnny Manf]

Its different because its not a direct attack on R&F. The entire station changed formats. It wasnt because R&F were doing terrible, it was because they think the music format will do better than the talk format. O&A's situation was different because they were punished for something they did. R&F just got caught in a bad situation for them.

[Mr.Pants]

Nice Mooch

[DonInNC]

I don't think a boycott or anything similar is in order, but a public show of support for the budday's might be helpful. The other day, Ron hinted that they would still be on the payroll, even if they're not on the air. If so, there's still a chance to get them back on the air. A strong logical argument (in this case their strong ratings) coupled with a strong emotional appeal (rabid fan support) is hard to ignore.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't think a boycott or anything similar is in order, but a public show of support for the budday's might be helpful. The other day, Ron hinted that they would still be on the payroll, even if they're not on the air. If so, there's still a chance to get them back on the air. A strong logical argument (in this case their strong ratings) coupled with a strong emotional appeal (rabid fan support) is hard to ignore.

This is true. There's no reason to think that K-Rock couldn't pull off O&A in the mornings and R&F at nights. The demographics are the same, the precedent is set, the ratings are there. I think CBS had to cut ties with everything and start new before even considering creating a somewhat hybrid station.

From a Sales point of view, it's almost a slam dunk to entice advertisers with the kind of promotions R&F do rather than a sticker stop or something.

This is not 2003, where CBS had to cut ties with everything O&A and WNEW related. There are a LOT of possibilities here, ones that didn't exist 4 years ago.

[RMPGP]

This is true. There's no reason to think that K-Rock couldn't pull off O&A in the mornings and R&F at nights. The demographics are the same, the precedent is set, the ratings are there. I think CBS had to cut ties with everything and start new before even considering creating a somewhat hybrid station.

From a Sales point of view, it's almost a slam dunk to entice advertisers with the kind of promotions R&F do rather than a sticker stop or something.

This is not 2003, where CBS had to cut ties with everything O&A and WNEW related. There are a LOT of possibilities here, ones that didn't exist 4 years ago.

Well with ONA still there, there's a good chance this could occur down the road if Ron and Fez want it.

[Midkiff]

Well with ONA still there, there's a good chance this could occur down the road if Ron and Fez want it.

Except Dan Mason is a pussy who doesn't like O&A to begin with... why would he give a shit what O&A want? I say screw him, and screw Tom Chiusano. Screw everybody over there.

[EliSnow]

Well with ONA still there, there's a good chance this could occur down the road if Ron and Fez want it.

When discussing Nick DePaulo (sp?) on the K-Rock show this morning, Opie said that the company likes Nick and Ron and Fez, and are looking to do something with each. Makes sense to see if you can use the people you're paying salaries to. If that something CBS is trying to do is in NYC, I think there's a good chance R&F would be interested. If outside, maybe not.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Except Dan Mason is a pussy who doesn't like O&A to begin with... why would he give a shit what O&A want?

How do you know this? You don't. Quit talking out of your ass.

[Midkiff]

How do you know this? You don't. Quit talking out of your ass.

I know because O&A have talked about it a gazillion times. Dan is the one who fired them after Sex for Sam.

Stop being a jerk.

[Don Stugots]

How do you know this? You don't. Quit talking out of your ass.

opie has said many times before MASON even started that he didn't like them. someone disagrees with you and they are talking out of their ass? dont bother responding, i am coming back to this thread.

[moochcassidy]

Stop being a jerk.

he cant help himself

[Earlshog]

This is true. There's no reason to think that K-Rock couldn't pull off O&A in the mornings and R&F at nights. The demographics are the same, the precedent is set, the ratings are there. I think CBS had to cut ties with everything and start new before even considering creating a somewhat hybrid station.

From a Sales point of view, it's almost a slam dunk to entice advertisers with the kind of promotions R&F do rather than a sticker stop or something.

This is not 2003, where CBS had to cut ties with everything O&A and WNEW related. There are a LOT of possibilities here, ones that didn't exist 4 years ago.

I agree, this is where our energy should be focused right now... Post on the NYRMB, send e-mails to everyone at CBS. Lay out your R & F presentation for them. R & F in afternoon drive on K Rock makes so much sense it hurts. Unfortunately this is CBS we are dealing with.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I know because O&A have talked about it a gazillion times. Dan is the one who fired them after Sex for Sam.

Stop being a jerk.

Has O&A said that Mason didn't like them or did O&A say Mason was the one who fired them?

I was under the impression that it was John Sykes who fired them, NOT Mason.

And there's a difference between being fired for Sex for Sam - and not liking someone. If Mason didn't like O&A, they would have probably been swept out the door too.

In fact, I did some research. on 8/21/02, Dan Mason was listed as "former Infinity President". O&A were cancelled on 8/22/02.

[ChimneyFish]

I agree, this is where our energy should be focused right now... Post on the NYRMB, send e-mails to everyone at CBS. Lay out your R & F presentation for them. R & F in afternoon drive on K Rock makes so much sense it hurts. Unfortunately this is CBS we are dealing with.

And how long are you giving Fezzie to remain alive with that schedule????

[Midkiff]

Has O&A said that Mason didn't like them or did O&A say Mason was the one who fired them?

Both.

I don't really rely on corporate press releases or bios/histories for accurate info. They tend to not be completely honest or unbiased. (Surprise!) I'll take Opie's word.

[ScottFromGA]

Except Dan Mason is a pussy who doesn't like O&A to begin with... why would he give a shit what O&A want? I say screw him, and screw Tom Chiusano. Screw everybody over there.

tell'em how ya feel..........

[Tenbatsuzen]

Both.

I don't really rely on corporate press releases or bios/histories for accurate info. They tend to not be completely honest or unbiased. (Surprise!) I'll take Opie's word.

I have press releases listing Mason leaving the company before O&A did AND a new president (Fullam) being installed before O&A being fired.

I always listen intently when O&A talk about behind the scenes stuff, I can't remember them ever referencing Mason as the one who fired them, it was always John Sykes.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but your logic makes no sense. Mason hates O&A, yet he blew up an entire station and KEPT O&A? By that logic, it would have made more sense for either Leslie Gold or R&F to do mornings.

[underdog]

I'm not trying to be a dick, but your logic makes no sense. Mason hates O&A, yet he blew up an entire station and KEPT O&A? By that logic, it would have made more sense for either Leslie Gold or R&F to do mornings.

They are paying O&A a fucking LOT of money, so that was probably one of the largest factors in keeping them around. Plus, they'll probably try to use their show as a launching ground for "new" bands. And CBS is probably hoping they can recapture what went on there with Howard in the morning and music the rest of the day.

[Midkiff]

I have press releases listing Mason leaving the company before O&A did AND a new president (Fullam) being installed before O&A being fired.

I always listen intently when O&A talk about behind the scenes stuff, I can't remember them ever referencing Mason as the one who fired them, it was always John Sykes.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but your logic makes no sense. Mason hates O&A, yet he blew up an entire station and KEPT O&A? By that logic, it would have made more sense for either Leslie Gold or R&F to do mornings.

I don't give anybody two chances. Last time that prick showed up, O&A got fired shortly after. Now he waltzes into this place, and all this nonsense goes down. Whether it's him or not, apocalypse fuckin follows him like stink on shit. You're not gonna take my Dan Mason hate from me. All this "I hate shit but I refuse to direct the anger at anybody cuz I'm super-skeptic" don't jive with me.

And there was at least one show where they re-told the whole story about Dan Mason, and yes, they did blame him. I listen all day every day.

Fuck Dan Mason.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't give anybody two chances. Last time that prick showed up, O&A got fired shortly after.



No, he didn't. He actually LEFT and then O&A got fired. And be honest, you can't say that O&A didn't deserve it the first time around. And saying you don't give anybody two chances just shows how open minded to debate you are, even when there lies a possibility of you being wrong (and I fully admit that *I* could be wrong).


Now he waltzes into this place, and all this nonsense goes down. Whether it's him or not, apocalypse fuckin follows him like stink on shit.


You obviously haven't been paying attention to the FM CBS radio properties. They have all been failing miserably, with only, ironically enough, Fresh 102.7 showing any growth. Something had to be done.


You're not gonna take my Dan Mason hate from me. All this "I hate shit but I refuse to direct the anger at anybody cuz I'm super-skeptic" don't jive with me.

And there was at least one show where they re-told the whole story about Dan Mason, and yes, they did blame him. I listen all day every day.

Fuck Dan Mason.

I don't have a problem with you being mad at people. But if you want to be mad at someone, be mad at Sharpton or something who actually started shit over nothing. Mason was essentially doing his job, fixing a broken radio station. Ron and Fez were casualities, but that's how the business works.



For Christ's sake, do you even LIVE in the New York area?

[Midkiff]

(and I fully admit that *I* could be wrong).

You? Admit you're wrong? Never. How about when you said the FreeFM format change was bullshit? I ain't heard no retraction.



You obviously haven't been paying attention to the blah blah blah....

jesus christ

But if you want to be mad at someone, be mad at Sharpton or something who actually started shit over nothing.

Dude, if I blamed Sharpton, you would be a dick and tell em I was wrong about that too. That's just the Tenbats way. You would say, "don't blame him, he's just doing his job, bein an uppity n**ger, blame such and such..."



For Christ's sake, do you even LIVE in the New York area?

Now you're biased against people outside the boroughs?

In summary, you've been a real douche lately and I wish you would just chill the hell out. I'm here because I love Ron and Fez, not to debate semantics with somebody who gets off by arguing every punctuation mark he sees.

[mikeyboy]

Don't argue you're point if you can't argue your point without making it personal. This is directed at both of you.

[lleeder]

Don't argue you're point if you can't argue your point without making it personal. This is directed at both of you.

Is that the same thing you said to Rosie and Elizabeth?

[Friday]

I have to say though, I fully respect the fact that Tenbats does all the reading and does have the facts straight.
He doesn't just cheat with cliffs notes like many of us.

[lleeder]

I have to say though, I fully respect the fact that Tenbats does all the reading and does have the facts straight.
He doesn't just cheat with cliffs notes like many of us.

I prefer to base my arguements on hearsay and my horoscope.

[lleeder]

This is true. There's no reason to think that K-Rock couldn't pull off O&A in the mornings and R&F at nights. The demographics are the same, the precedent is set, the ratings are there. I think CBS had to cut ties with everything and start new before even considering creating a somewhat hybrid station.

From a Sales point of view, it's almost a slam dunk to entice advertisers with the kind of promotions R&F do rather than a sticker stop or something.

This is not 2003, where CBS had to cut ties with everything O&A and WNEW related. There are a LOT of possibilities here, ones that didn't exist 4 years ago.

One thing I can't wrap my head around is why make the entire day rock after O&A. If something has ratings keep it. If they are willing to have a different mix of music on one station like on Jack, why not mix talk and music. Its like they are saying "Hey Krock had this formula with Howard lets do it again with O&A". They are forgetting after Howard Krock had no ratings in the other day parts. Thats why O&A always felt Howard in the mornings them in the afternoon would be a massive station. They have an oppurtunity to do that now with Ron and Fez.

[sailor]

One thing I can't wrap my head around is why make the entire day rock after O&A. If something has ratings keep it. If they are willing to have a different mix of music on one station like on Jack, why not mix talk and music. Its like they are saying "Hey Krock had this formula with Howard lets do it again with O&A". They are forgetting after Howard Krock had no ratings in the other day parts. Thats why O&A always felt Howard in the mornings them in the afternoon would be a massive station. They have an oppurtunity to do that now with Ron and Fez.

yeah, i was thinking the same thing. also reminds me of how howard said it was funny they went all talk after he left, when the reality was they couldn't do it with him there because of his ego. i really think o&a morning drive, ron/fez evening drive would be huge, given the time to thrive.

[Dash77]

yeah, i was thinking the same thing. also reminds me of how howard said it was funny they went all talk after he left, when the reality was they couldn't do it with him there because of his ego. i really think o&a morning drive, ron/fez evening drive would be huge, given the time to thrive.

I agree with a solid promo push Krock would light it up..

[Zuke]

With iPods, who the hell is listening to a radio station play the same tired playlist of 100 or so tunes these days? Especially shitty 90's music. I've got 5000 songs that I know I like, because I chose them, with me at all times. Give people something that they don't already have in their front pocket for Christ's sake.

[oldmangimper]

With iPods, who the hell is listening to a radio station play the same tired playlist of 100 or so tunes these days? Especially shitty 90's music. I've got 5000 songs that I know I like, because I chose them, with me at all times. Give people something that they don't already have in their front pocket for Christ's sake.
Poor people.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Thats why O&A always felt Howard in the mornings them in the afternoon would be a massive station. They have an oppurtunity to do that now with Ron and Fez.

That's how they did it in Buffalo. When they took Howard off in Toronto I found that I could still tune in the Buffalo station for my fix. One afternoon I figured I'd check out what else was on the station and found O&A.

(The bad part was that I could only get the station when I was at College. I went home for the summer and came back to find that aparently the boys fucked up...)

[TheRealEddie]

With iPods, who the hell is listening to a radio station play the same tired playlist of 100 or so tunes these days?

Yeah, even better imagine people paying for radio...oh wait... :wink:

[JPMNICK]

"After presenting 'Jericho' fans with a cliffhanging season finale, CBS promptly cancelled the program. The shocked fans quickly banded together, many using CBS' own public "Jericho" discussion forum, and began brainstorming on ways to convince the network to bring back the show for a second season. A plot point in the final episode of "Jericho" involving the expletive "Nuts!" (in reference to an historic conversation between generals) was turned into a campaign to send large quantities of nuts to CBS' NY, LA, and affiliate offices. Fans have sent a total of $26,000 for a pooled campaign hosted at Nuts Online to ship over 19,000 pounds of peanuts to CBS. Other efforts acquired over $9,000 to publish full page advertisements in Variety (National Edition) and The Hollywood Reporter for Tuesday, May 29th. This is expected to become the largest ever fan campaign to bring a television show back from cancellation."

[sailor]

"After presenting 'Jericho' fans with a cliffhanging season finale, CBS promptly cancelled the program. The shocked fans quickly banded together, many using CBS' own public "Jericho" discussion forum, and began brainstorming on ways to convince the network to bring back the show for a second season. A plot point in the final episode of "Jericho" involving the expletive "Nuts!" (in reference to an historic conversation between generals) was turned into a campaign to send large quantities of nuts to CBS' NY, LA, and affiliate offices. Fans have sent a total of $26,000 for a pooled campaign hosted at Nuts Online to ship over 19,000 pounds of peanuts to CBS. Other efforts acquired over $9,000 to publish full page advertisements in Variety (National Edition) and The Hollywood Reporter for Tuesday, May 29th. This is expected to become the largest ever fan campaign to bring a television show back from cancellation."

random, yet interesting.

[moochcassidy]

I have to say though, I fully respect the fact that Tenbats does all the reading and does have the facts straight.
He doesn't just cheat with cliffs notes like many of us.

friday, i love ya more than life itself, but youre insane.

matthew may have the pomposity to fill his posts with a sense of smugness that he is some sort of radio insider here. But if you've had the misfortune to read through all his nonsense you'll notice he's all over the place in this argument.

he's admitted that he missed this when it all came down and has humiliated himself with blatant inaccuracies and obtuse generalisations in this very thread.

I'm kicking myself for ever falling for this little fantasy..the 'ive worked in radio, and my posts are loaded with a legitimacy that you, as mere listeners, cant grasp'

I'm convinced he's actually someone of very limited intelligence and has descended into a uniquely dislikeable way of conducting himself.

it was under the apprehension it was some gimmick or in-joke..but people REALLY DO HATE THIS GUY, and for good reason. i suppose its no wonder he tries to claw back some sort of sense of self-worth through this pretentious posting style he's pioneered.

[Mike Teacher]

matthew may have the pomposity to fill his posts with a sense of smugness that he is some sort of radio insider here.

=

Seriously, he's in radio ????

[moochcassidy]

matthew may have the pomposity to fill his posts with a sense of smugness that he is some sort of radio insider here.

=

Seriously, he's in radio ????

from what i gather, he WAS (in a entry level capacity...for a while)

what exactly is your experience in radio matthew? (i'll gladly swap c.v 's through PM)

ive been in my trade for a decade and i wouldnt have the brass neck to bullshit the way he does about his medium.

i could give you my personal experiences and the insights i have developed about the industry in general.. maybe even provide a few inside secrets about the companies that employ me. (but id be an idiot to do that on a public forum)

but to believe that someone who spent a few years, in one or two positions, in a couple of operations, has some sort of insider knowledge to the extent this imbecile claims is being confused by his attempts at sophistry.

[J.Clints]

I have to say though, I fully respect the fact that Tenbats does all the reading and does have the facts straight.
He doesn't just cheat with cliffs notes like many of us.
:clap:
friday, i love ya more than life itself, but youre insane.

matthew may have the pomposity to fill his posts with a sense of smugness that he is some sort of radio insider here. But if you've had the misfortune to read through all his nonsense you'll notice he's all over the place in this argument.

he's admitted that he missed this when it all came down and has humiliated himself with blatant inaccuracies and obtuse generalisations in this very thread.

I'm kicking myself for ever falling for this little fantasy..the 'ive worked in radio, and my posts are loaded with a legitimacy that you, as mere listeners, cant grasp'

I'm convinced he's actually someone of very limited intelligence and has descended into a uniquely dislikeable way of conducting himself.

it was under the apprehension it was some gimmick or in-joke..but people REALLY DO HATE THIS GUY, and for good reason. i suppose its no wonder he tries to claw back some sort of sense of self-worth through this pretentious posting style he's pioneered.
:clap:
You guys are the best.

[DonInNC]

sophistry.

Word of the day. Thanks Mooch.

[docgoblin]

One thing I can't wrap my head around is why make the entire day rock after O&A. If something has ratings keep it. If they are willing to have a different mix of music on one station like on Jack, why not mix talk and music. Its like they are saying "Hey Krock had this formula with Howard lets do it again with O&A". They are forgetting after Howard Krock had no ratings in the other day parts. Thats why O&A always felt Howard in the mornings them in the afternoon would be a massive station. They have an oppurtunity to do that now with Ron and Fez.

It still seems that afternoon drive needs more than just music to keep the listeners. Most stations have some kind of personality in that slot no matter what the format. WPLJ has Rocky Allen, WFAN has Mike and the Dog, WABC has Hannity in afternoon drive. Even the urban stations have more than just a DJ spinning tunes from 3-6pm. Of course I'd be biased and say give the slot to Ron & Fez, but I'm suprised they didn't at least leave the Chick in there. Of course what ever show gets afternoons, the management would probably want them to play music which really sucks.
For example, at PLJ Rocky Allen's show is so structured it's annoying:
Talk, Interview or Comedy bit 10-15 min, Traffic and weather 2 min, Commercials 5 min, Song 3:30... Rinse, Repeat (over and over and over)... There is no spontaneity.
That's probably what K-Rock would force the afternoon drive show to do. I can't see Ron & Fez working like that. Opie said the company really likes them and is trying to find a spot in New York for them, but I don't see where they'd fit. No one seems to want straight funny/edgy talk for 3-4 hours anymore outside of what the political talkers are doing.

[Midkiff]

matthew may have the pomposity to fill his posts with a sense of smugness that he is some sort of radio insider here. But if you've had the misfortune to read through all his nonsense you'll notice he's all over the place in this argument.

he's admitted that he missed this when it all came down and has humiliated himself with blatant inaccuracies and obtuse generalisations in this very thread.

I'm kicking myself for ever falling for this little fantasy..the 'ive worked in radio, and my posts are loaded with a legitimacy that you, as mere listeners, cant grasp'

I'm convinced he's actually someone of very limited intelligence and has descended into a uniquely dislikeable way of conducting himself.

it was under the apprehension it was some gimmick or in-joke..but people REALLY DO HATE THIS GUY, and for good reason. i suppose its no wonder he tries to claw back some sort of sense of self-worth through this pretentious posting style he's pioneered.

THANK YOU! My Irish friend, you are a scholar and a gentleman. I was really starting to feel like I was blowing out there in the breeze all by myself. I've made the mistake of responding to his taunting a couple times, and all it did was excite him more, and make mikeyboy scold me. He is literally ruining my entire Ron and Fez experience, and my ronfez.net experience.

[Fat_Sunny]

He is literally ruining my entire Ron and Fez experience, and my ronfez.net experience.

Oh, Come On, Midkiff.

Illigitimus Non Carborundum

[Midkiff]

Illigitimus Non Carborundum

Hey, my parents were married when I was conceived AND born!!!!

Wait, what?


OK, I googled it. I get it. Thanks!

[Fat_Sunny]

That's Latin For:

Don't Let The Bastards Get You Down !!

[Midkiff]

That's Latin For:

Don't Let The Bastards Get You Down !!

Cool. Thanks, Fat_Sunny, you're a good_buddy.

[moochcassidy]

That's Latin For:

Don't Let The Bastards Get You Down !!

Mooch Never Fails To Be Impressed By The Breadth Of Fat's Knowledge

[Fat_Sunny]

Mooch, Fat's Now-Very-Aged Father Used To Say That To Fat When He Was Growing Up And Having A Bad Day!

[moochcassidy]

Mooch, Fat's Now-Very-Aged Father Used To Say That To Fat When He Was Growing Up And Having A Bad Day!

what's latin for smart ass big mouthed wanna-be radio expert message board pariah?

(totally unrelated you understand... im stuck on my Latin homework here Fats ole chap :annoyed:)

[Fat_Sunny]

what's latin for smart ass big mouthed wanna-be radio expert message board pariah?

Hee Hee Hee Heeeeeeee!

Fat Doesn't Know....But He Thinks Your English Version Conveys The Message Just Fine!!

[Midkiff]

what's latin for smart ass big mouthed wanna-be radio expert message board pariah?

(totally unrelated you understand... im stuck on my Latin homework here Fats ole chap :annoyed:)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol:

[J.Clints]

what's latin for smart ass big mouthed wanna-be radio expert message board pariah?

(totally unrelated you understand... im stuck on my Latin homework here Fats ole chap :annoyed:)

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[mikeyboy]

Look, I've had about as many Matty run-ins as anyone, but it's time to lay off the Matty pile-on.

[J.Clints]

Look, I've had about as many Matty run-ins as anyone, but it's time to lay off the Matty pile-on.

So I guess 4 on 1 In side the steel cage is out of the question?

[Midkiff]

Look, I've had about as many Matty run-ins as anyone, but it's time to lay off the Matty pile-on.

OK. But seriously, out of curiousity, let me ask you this: you tell us to stop, so fine, I'll stop. But on the rare occasion I see you say anything to the party in question, that party launches even more dickish comments at you and doesn't stop. I'm just curious as to why you allow that to happen. No disrespect, just truly curious.

I'll be quiet and take my response off the air.

[J.Clints]

I'll be quiet and take my response off the air.

Shouldn't you hang up and listen off air?

[sailor]

OK. But seriously, out of curiousity, let me ask you this: you tell us to stop, so fine, I'll stop. But on the rare occasion I see you say anything to the party in question, that party launches even more dickish comments at you and doesn't stop. I'm just curious as to why you allow that to happen. No disrespect, just truly curious.

I'll be quiet and take my response off the air.

all part of his communist agenda.

[Fat_Sunny]

all part of his communist agenda.

No, MojoPin Is The Commie. Midkiff Is The Anarchist!

[mikeyboy]

OK. But seriously, out of curiousity, let me ask you this: you tell us to stop, so fine, I'll stop. But on the rare occasion I see you say anything to the party in question, that party launches even more dickish comments at you and doesn't stop. I'm just curious as to why you allow that to happen. No disrespect, just truly curious.

I'll be quiet and take my response off the air.

It's really not your business. I deal with these issues as they come up, and trust me, the party in question has been dealt with sufficiently. Just because it doesn't play out in front of you doesn't mean things aren't happening. Frankly, I prefer not to make dealing with shit drama on this board a public thing, but given recent tension, it's become necessary at times.

[Midkiff]

No, MojoPin Is The Commie. Midkiff Is The Anarchist!

Give me cat pics or give me death!

[Midkiff]

...

10-4, good buddy.

[sailor]

No, MojoPin Is The Commie. Midkiff Is The Anarchist!

exhibit a (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54875&highlight=communist)

exhibit b (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54129&highlight=communist)

corollary a (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53368&highlight=communist)

[lleeder]

exhibit a (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54875&highlight=communist)

exhibit b (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54129&highlight=communist)

corollary a (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53368&highlight=communist)

Nice work. You have far too much time your hands.

[J.Clints]

exhibit a (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54875&highlight=communist)

exhibit b (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54129&highlight=communist)

corollary a (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53368&highlight=communist)

Nice work. You have far too much time your hands.

:lol:

[Tenbatsuzen]

from what i gather, he WAS (in a entry level capacity...for a while)

what exactly is your experience in radio matthew? (i'll gladly swap c.v 's through PM)

ive been in my trade for a decade and i wouldnt have the brass neck to bullshit the way he does about his medium.

i could give you my personal experiences and the insights i have developed about the industry in general.. maybe even provide a few inside secrets about the companies that employ me. (but id be an idiot to do that on a public forum)

but to believe that someone who spent a few years, in one or two positions, in a couple of operations, has some sort of insider knowledge to the extent this imbecile claims is being confused by his attempts at sophistry.

I letting most of your stuff drop except for this.

I have made a point, on several occassions, to proclaim in my posts that I do not (repeat DO NOT) have inside information on XM's operations or the O&A show or the R&F show. The only direct interaction I've had with either show is when I interned for WNEW in 1999 and my appearances on R&F. I've never tried to weasel my way into doing more for the show or be an "insider", mainly, because outside of trivia and being a heel, I have nothing to offer the show outside of being a listener and historian of the show.

However, if you want to talk "professional" experience in radio, I've worked in the industry before leaving last year for 7 years. I interned for two years, putting me on the experience level of a Pitzy. I then worked "for real" for some small stations, working as a promotions person, board op, and production/engineer tech for another 2 years. I then worked for an independent record label for a year, dealing with promotions and program directors of radio stations. Then I worked as a manager for one of the bigger stations in the area for two years, where I did promotions and marketing, producing shows, board op, and production. The chain of command at my last position was me -> my boss -> THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF THE COMPANY. That's not exactly "entry level".

I still make a habit of reading industry websites, knowing the deals, the comings and goings. I'm not exactly a radio insider anymore, but I do keep tabs on the business.

now, if you want to point out what "inaccuracies" I've had in this thread or others BASED ON FACTS, and not opinions (where I said I didn't buy they'd flip the format - which was an opinion, not something I was presenting as fact) - I welcome you to do that.

I appreciate your passion and respect you; you should at least give me the same courtesy.

[Tenbatsuzen]

OK. But seriously, out of curiousity, let me ask you this: you tell us to stop, so fine, I'll stop. But on the rare occasion I see you say anything to the party in question, that party launches even more dickish comments at you and doesn't stop. I'm just curious as to why you allow that to happen. No disrespect, just truly curious.

I'll be quiet and take my response off the air.

Prove this. You've got a search function.

[lleeder]

I just called to cancel and the woman on the phone sighed rather loudly and transfered me to an overly excited guy. He said that he hoped Opie and Anthony would have an interesting show on June 15th. He then over laughed. He said they would return as the Opie and Anthony we all know and love. He then over laughed. It was a really strange phone call.

[moochcassidy]

I just called to cancel and the woman on the phone sighed rather loudly and transfered me to an overly excited guy. He said that he hoped Opie and Anthony would have an interesting show on June 15th. He then over laughed. He said they would return as the Opie and Anthony we all know and love. He then over laughed. It was a really strange phone call.

fuckin hell!

lleeder drops the bomb..good work sir

[Midkiff]

Prove this. You've got a search function.

:wacko:

[Tenbatsuzen]

:wacko:

That's what I fucking thought. I actually had a conversation with Mikeyboy about this, and not once, to EITHER of our recollections, have I spouted off to him, Jon, or any of the other mods or admins of this site. Especially when they tell me to back off certain issues. In fact, the only mod who I got in trouble with was GVAC and that was five years ago!

If people have an issue with me, fine. We either hash it out or let it die. It's happened before, where I have a LOT of issues with people, and then we work it out. Hell, people I was BANNED over at this site were invited to my wedding.

I'm sick and tired of your verbal diarrhea and straight-out LIES about me, and your whining about how I'm ruining your ron and Fez experience, both in a sob-story post and a fucking hilarious PM that was the icing on the cake.

You are not a crusader. You are not a do-gooder. You are running your mouth and amounting to nothing, and quite honestly, rubbing a lot of people the wrong way in the six months you've been here. Me, well, you want to tell people hate me (as seems to be the new thing to do), here's a fucking newsflash: I KNOW. I don't pretend to be mr. popularity, and I don't go out of my way to make friends with people.

You want to talk shit? Fine. Here's the difference between you and me: When I talk shit, I back it up. You have nothing.

You're done.

[Bob Impact]

I don't hate Tenbatsuzen, in fact I find him to be fine, just fine.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And BTW, Midkiff - you brought this on yourself. You sent me that PM last night, and I was like, "Fine, whatever", and I dropped it. I didn't post about you, didn't mention you, didn't do shit, and then you decided to take it upon yourself to take me on again unprovoked. Some peacemaker you are.

[J.Clints]

I don't hate Tenbatsuzen, in fact I find him to be fine, just fine.

Do you find him fine as in sexy as I do?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't hate Tenbatsuzen, in fact I find him to be fine, just fine.

That's why when the time comes that I become King, you and Sarah will be the mayors of Impactburg.

[mikeyboy]

Come on. Enough. Don't make me lock this otherwise useful and informative thread.

[Bob Impact]

That's why when the time comes that I become King, you and Sarah will be the mayors of Impactburg.
hoorah!

Come on. Enough. Don't make me lock this otherwise useful and informative thread.

This is me when I read a mikeyboy post. --->:wub:
He gives me butterflys in my tummy.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Come on. Enough. Don't make me lock this otherwise useful and informative thread.

This is the part where I yell at you.

When I become king, you will be the Royal Ice Cream truck driver. Complete with white suit.

[Midkiff]

And BTW, Midkiff - you brought this on yourself. You sent me that PM last night, and I was like, "Fine, whatever", and I dropped it. I didn't post about you, didn't mention you, didn't do shit, and then you decided to take it upon yourself to take me on again unprovoked. Some peacemaker you are.

:wacko:

[J.Clints]

Cant we all just get along? Well Can we?

[boeman]

Come on. Enough. Don't make me lock this otherwise useful and informative thread.

yeah... we don't see many useful posts on the internet anymore...

[FezPaul]

Come on. Enough. Don't make me lock this otherwise useful and informative thread.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/emoticons/2_hitler_1.gif

[mikeyboy]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/emoticons/2_hitler_1.gif

:banning:

[J.Clints]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/emoticons/2_hitler_1.gif

:ohmy:

[FezPaul]

:banning:

:innocent:

[Bob Impact]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/emoticons/2_hitler_1.gif
:nono:
:banning:
:help:
:ohmy:
:innocent:

[J.Clints]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/emoticons/2_hitler_1.gif

:banning:

:ohmy:

:innocent:

:nono:

:help:

:innocent:

:flush:

[mikeyboy]

:flush:

:drunk:

[Bob Impact]

:drunk:

:clap:

[MadMatt]

http://www.bryanshulkpage.com/Images/s10019.jpg

[lleeder]

And BTW, Midkiff - you brought this on yourself. You sent me that PM last night, and I was like, "Fine, whatever", and I dropped it. I didn't post about you, didn't mention you, didn't do shit, and then you decided to take it upon yourself to take me on again unprovoked. Some peacemaker you are.

I'd love to see the actual PM. Not that my opinion matters. :happy:

[J.Clints]

I'd love to see the actual PM. Not that my opinion matters. :happy:

I am almost sure that is not a good Idea.....But so would I.