Cancel Your XM Subscription?

[dereckfishboy]

Well, IMO, I took the free month to show my displeasure on how they handled the situation. I think cancelling is a bit extreme, and would hurt R&F in the long run.

People take freebies regardless of the reason why, I don't see how that makes a statement. I'm not trying to cut on you, but who wouldn't take a free month of something they want?

[Earlshog]

Well, IMO, I took the free month to show my displeasure on how they handled the situation. I think cancelling is a bit extreme, and would hurt R&F in the long run.

I think you did the right thing, you stood up and made yourself heard... if everyone does the same it will send a clear message

as for the other issue I just don't see what is to be gained into turning this into a Ron and Fez fan V O & A fan issue

[Earlshog]

My point exactly, bro..... the only politics you see...... why do you think we're privileged enough to know 24 hours later why what happened to who?

You are looking for someone on the grassy knole when the answer is right in front of you

[dereckfishboy]

I think you did the right thing, you stood up and made yourself heard... if everyone does the same it will send a clear message

as for the other issue I just don't see what is to be gained into turning this into a Ron and Fez fan V O & A fan issue

I disagree. I agree with reily about PAC. Taking a free month to express dissent? I think that comparable to throwing twenty bucks to a pet shelter instead of going out and taking care of unwanted animals. It's a token gesture.

[dereckfishboy]

You are looking for someone on the grassy knole when the answer is right in front of you

Hey, I ain't all conspiracy theory, I'm just saying don't think your dollar is worth as much to them as you'd like to believe. If you need that to feel like you've got some kind of power simply because you're a consumer, god bless you. All I'm saying is there are other factors out there whether we are aware of them or not. Dude, read the horrible shit in the headlines right now. Thousands of people who have never heard of Opie and Anthony are reading all the carefully worded horrible shit in the papers. Statistically speaking, a percentage of those people will not subscribe to XM satellite based on that. We still live in a bullshit moral society. That's where politics come into play, and XM has to count potential subs as well as current. There's a HUMONGOUS amount more non-subscribers currently the subscribers.....

[Earlshog]

People take freebies regardless of the reason why, I don't see how that makes a statement. I'm not trying to cut on you, but who wouldn't take a free month of something they want?

it makes quite a staement, if a million people call in and they give them all a free month it would cost them in the area of 7 - 10 million bucks. Thats a lot of cash. They also know that if they are not brought back a good number of those people are gone for good.

[Earlshog]

[QUOTE=dereckfishboy;1314757]I disagree. I agree with reily about PAC. Taking a free month to express dissent? I think that comparable to throwing twenty bucks to a pet shelter instead of going out and taking care of unwanted animals. It's a token gesture.

QUOTE]

I'd rather you throw 20 bucks at the Pet Shelter then do nothing, if everyone through them 20 bucks they would be in pretty good shape

[AKA]

I couldn't agree more w/ what you said - I was thinking the same thing.

Unfortunatly I remember very well before R&F signed on the chorus that claimed that XM was so much more than just 202, trying to convince people who had problems paying for radio - many of them are now the ones now screaming about cancelling - many of them I doubt would drop O&A, even for one month, if it was R&F in trouble.

Moot point, tho - it's all about unity and staying positive.

I support anyone who feels the need to do what they need to do, and will even read and think about what is posted here and honestly consider what to do, but the truth is I only plan to really do something if there is a clear message from R&F on what will be of most help.

[dereckfishboy]

[QUOTE=dereckfishboy;1314757]I disagree. I agree with reily about PAC. Taking a free month to express dissent? I think that comparable to throwing twenty bucks to a pet shelter instead of going out and taking care of unwanted animals. It's a token gesture.

QUOTE]

I'd rather you throw 20 bucks at the Pet Shelter then do nothing, if everyone through them 20 bucks they would be in pretty good shape

It's economics.... XM needs to constantly pull new subs to survive, not just retain old ones.... our twenty bucks is fine and dandy, but they need new people to keep throwing in too.... we need to support organizations like PAC that keep the media from scaring those people away...... sorry man, but I don't think our money is enough... it'd sustain, but it doesn't help growth....

[Earlshog]

Hey, I ain't all conspiracy theory, I'm just saying don't think your dollar is worth as much to them as you'd like to believe. If you need that to feel like you've got some kind of power simply because you're a consumer, god bless you. All I'm saying is there are other factors out there whether we are aware of them or not. Dude, read the horrible shit in the headlines right now. Thousands of people who have never heard of Opie and Anthony are reading all the carefully worded horrible shit in he papers. Statistically speaking, a percentage of those people will not subscribe to XM satellite based on that. We still live in a bullshit moral society. That's where politics come into play, and XM has to count potential subs as well as current.

Im not talking about my dollar, I know they don't give a fuck about my $400 a year. I'm talking about all of our dollars together. I have worked in the corporate world for ten years now, trust me, it means plenty. As for your condescending remarks save them for someone who cares. You are just talking crazy at this point.

[angrymissy]

I disagree. I agree with reily about PAC. Taking a free month to express dissent? I think that comparable to throwing twenty bucks to a pet shelter instead of going out and taking care of unwanted animals. It's a token gesture.

I take offense to that, because I donate $25/mo to the NYC ASPCA to sponsor a shelter animal. I can't get out there and volunteer, but I show my support in that manner because it is what I can do.

If I take the free month for 3 subs for the month that O&A are off, XM is losing my sub money for that month. That is showing them that I disagree with what they have done.

I am not going to cancel, because I have XM mostly for Ron and Fez. If XM continues along this path and starts fucking with Ron and Fez, then I'm done.

I am not going to cancel and say "well, I will just get R&F off a torrent every day, or listen to the stream in the Paltalk room, because that will fuck over XM" because that does not fuck over XM alone, it also fucks over Ron and Fez.

[dereckfishboy]

Im not talking about my dollar, I know they don't give a fuck about my $400 a year. I'm talking about all of our dollars together. I have worked in the corporate world for ten years now, trust me, it means plenty. As for your condescending remarks save them for someone who cares. You are just talking crazy at this point.

Talking crazy? Dude, current subs now versus potential future subs lost. That's not crazy.

[Midkiff]

Focus, people. Turn this energy towards the parties that are responsible for this bullshit.

[dereckfishboy]

I take offense to that, because I donate $25/mo to the NYC ASPCA to sponsor a shelter animal. I can't get out there and volunteer, but I show my support in that manner because it is what I can do.

If I take the free month for 3 subs for the month that O&A are off, XM is losing my sub money for that month. That is showing them that I disagree with what they have done.

I am not going to cancel, because I have XM mostly for Ron and Fez. If XM continues along this path and starts fucking with Ron and Fez, then I'm done.

I am not going to cancel and say "well, I will just get R&F off a torrent every day, or listen to the stream in the Paltalk room, because that will fuck over XM" because that does not fuck over XM alone, it also fucks over Ron and Fez.

Whenever you donate to charity, you run the risk of someone skimming off the top. I know it's better than nothing, but all this shit happened with O and A before and it wasn't enough to save them then. And I'm not saying you should cancel, I just think they assume that the mass of the people who accept have been placated.

[dereckfishboy]

Focus, people. Turn this energy towards the parties that are responsible for this bullshit.

I drink and then get ornery.

[hurlmon]

Not cancelling. I signed on to XM for Ron & Fez. I enjoy O&A, but I don't get the opportunity to listen all that often. If something happens to R&F, I'm gone.

What he said.
But I did send a saucy e-mail to XM management

[SinA]

Look. I started to feel bad about taking their blood-money discount, but somehow I got a different deal than everyone else. They gave me half-price for a year, which means I'm essentially taking $70 from them. I know that's not the same as getting to listen to whatever I want, it's a step, and it's not the last straw.

Sure there's a lot of momentum now (and I feel like getting my price slashed was a part of that), but I made it clear in my calls and emails that the only acceptable permanent solution is the return of unrestricted freedom of expression.

My problem is that XM is so bad about keeping listeners informed. I suspect that the suspension is more about a reaction to them disobeying an order from their bosses than the whole Homeless Charlie thing (like a "we give you a lot of freedom to speak your minds, making this apology is the ONLY thing we've asked in return in two years" ).

We'll see if that's true. They know our frustration, but I'm holding on to this idea that they haven't completely abandoned our loyalties yet, at least until these rumors are denied or confirmed.

[emrysx]

Cancelled after 1.5 hours on hold last night. Refused all counter offers, had them cancel it immediately rather than at the end of my payment cycle...getting refund.

Completely agree with ArcadianRefugee, this is an awful precedent for satellite radio, and the state of radio in general these days, when special interest groups control what we can and cannot willfully listen, completely apart from the FCC.

This is not the "marketplace" speaking, this is a runaway train of special interest groups, led by the media whore Al Sharpton, dictating our morals and deciding that no one can say anything, even in humor, that might possibly hurt someone's feelings who might accidentally be listening to a known controversial radio host(s).

Fuck XM, fuck CBS. Radio has enough problems competing against other media outlets...this is yet another nail in their coffin.

I should add, I hate not hearing Ron and Fez live, but I'll listen to their XM show one way or another. =P

[danosu85]

I have a couple friends and relatives that have XM and don't listen to xm202 at all, but i had them call in so that they could get a free month. Even when O&A come back, what is the show going to be like. I wonder if Mel and the guys at Sirius had anything to do with the suspension because of the merger.


I like when you call in and are on hold the computer comes on and says they are experiencing increased calls and wait times due to the high number of customers activating new radios.

[buffalojames]

canceled 1,not offered any deals,time runs out june 15th,informed i would probably not return because of xm's policies regarding o&a

[PAT BATEMAN]

OPIE did say that the next time they get fired they are done woth radio, if they do get fired from xm what next just stay on fm unitl they get fired, speaking of that are they still on free fm?

[danosu85]

Yes they are still on free fm. I think its funny that O&A said that they belived that this free fm deal will go away one day, but that they will always have XM to go back too.

[30RockRob]

Ok, I've been an avid lurker on this board for years now. It's time for me to join the fray. Yesterday I had 2 lengthy conversations with 3 different XM representatives. I told them in no uncertain terms that I would be canceling my membership of 2 years if Opie and Anthony are suspended beyond the 30 days, or if they are fired completely. I quoted various things from the xm website that prove that they are being marketed as "outrageous" and "adult" humor. I told them I thought it was despicable and completely hypocritical to fire them for being the kind of jocks they are advertised to be. I also asked for the 30 day credit that everyone seems to be being offered and was told by the supervisor (I had to ask to get one) that I was misinformed and that they were offering no such thing to anyone. Is anyone else getting this response?

I am an equal lover of Ron and Fez and O&A and Lil' Jimmy. I do not want to cancel my sub yet because I depend so much R+F to get me through my day. I know some people feel that people like me are not looking at the big picture, but that's just the way I feel.

My $.02

Thanks for listening.

[IMSlacker]

I haven't made up my mind about cancelling yet. I'm taking XM at their word for now. If/when O&A are officially fired, I'm done.

I will not, however, call just to get the one or three or six free months. The problem with doing that is it might cost XM some money, but it they won't have to report to the street that they've lost subs (they lose money every quarter, so that's not such a big deal). XM and Sirius get beat up everytime they miss their targets on new subs. If, at the end of the second quarter, they have to report that not only have they missed their target, but they've actually had a net loss in subs, their stock will tank hard. Cancelling your subs is the only way to really send a message to XM management.

[Dudeman]

What he said.
But I did send a saucy e-mail to XM management

when RnF fans cancel their subscription, it tells the managment that ron and fez aren't enough to hold on to a subscription. for me (and this is ronfez.net...), i want ron and fez

[Midkiff]

let's see what the disclaimer is.... wait for it.....

[docgoblin]

I wonder if Mel and the guys at Sirius had anything to do with the suspension because of the merger.


I thought this immediately after hearing of the suspension. I can see Howie going to Mel and saying "This is a way that we can get Opie & Anthony out of our hair and keep them from being a part of the merger." I can believe it completely.

I did take the free month for my three units. The guy assured me that they will be back after 30 days. I told him that I would absolutely cancel if they didn't come back. I do feel that if everyone who listens to 202 takes the free month, it will send a message. It's going to be a huge loss to the company for the month.

I still think this sets a horrible precedent for the future of the platform and for O&A. If they can't get away with offensive material on satellite what could the show possibly be like after the suspension? There should be no restrictions on a pay service that tells it's listeners when a channel contains explicit material, and offers channel-blocking. It's rediculous!

I'm also curious as to whether O&A are suspended without pay. If that's the case they probably have a law suit. I doubt they violated any part of their XM contract. If XM really had any concern for what they might say they'd have a dump button, and they don't. The fault lies completely with the company.

[milliehatchett]

My hubby (being primarily an O and A fan) cancelled all of our XM subs last night - he told me this proudly and after the fact. I was PISSED OFF - to say the least. I do love O&A but I got XM (that's right, ME - not hubby) just for Ron and Fez.

This morning, I re-signed up for my Inno to have service. If they take the Buddays off the air, THEN I will cancel.

[Furtherman]

It's been a close race, but it's pretty much 50/50 in the poll of people cancelling and not cancelling.

I've done a little more research into it, and I found out that this is one of the most replied posts I've created.

[DonInNC]

No. In fact, I'm adding a unit to my account later in the week. Just a coincidence.

[jergo]

I can't believe that it isn't an automatic conclusion for everyone to cancel their subscription. I love Ron and Fez and barely listen to O&A (but I do enjoy listening) but I still cancelled my sub today. If we all don't make a stand and fight back-then how long will it be 'till Ron and Fez get suspended or fired? We need to fight back-
cancel, ask for a full refund of any prepaid amount, and do not fall for the free month service crap. If you don't cancel it won't make an impact.
You can always resub after the point is made and all this crap blows over.

[jergo]

Well, IMO, I took the free month to show my displeasure on how they handled the situation. I think cancelling is a bit extreme, and would hurt R&F in the long run.

It doesn't make a statement when you take a free month...they are happy they retained a subscriber-it's just the cost of doing business to them. And I think IN THE LONG RUN this doesn't hurt R&F it helps them. If XM sees that we aren't going to take any shit, they won't try to censor the talent and have them afraid of losing their jobs all the time.

[jergo]

it makes quite a staement, if a million people call in and they give them all a free month it would cost them in the area of 7 - 10 million bucks. Thats a lot of cash. They also know that if they are not brought back a good number of those people are gone for good.

That's the point! Yeah it costs them for THAT month, but they know they have you back paying again next month. Shit-they probably write that off and SAVE money. But if you cancel, then there is no sure money coming in for them next month. Taking the free month is fine if you just want free service, but I think you are doing O&A and R&F a disservice by not fighting back.

[waltermitty]

View Poll Results: Will You Cancel Your XM Subscription?
Yes 86 50.00%
No 86 50.00%



Very interesting.......

[burrben]

It's been a close race, but it's pretty much 50/50 in the poll of people cancelling and not cancelling.

I've done a little more research into it, and I found out that this is one of the most replied posts I've created.

i think we can use the word "epic" in describing this thread

[angrymissy]

It doesn't make a statement when you take a free month...they are happy they retained a subscriber-it's just the cost of doing business to them. And I think IN THE LONG RUN this doesn't hurt R&F it helps them. If XM sees that we aren't going to take any shit, they won't try to censor the talent and have them afraid of losing their jobs all the time.

I have XM for Ron and Fez. If they censor Ron and Fez, I will cancel. As far as I can see right now, O&A have been suspended for insubordination. Until I get further details, I am not cancelling.

[jergo]

I have XM for Ron and Fez. If they censor Ron and Fez, I will cancel. As far as I can see right now, O&A have been suspended for insubordination. Until I get further details, I am not cancelling.

You have the right to do what you like and I respect that. But in my opinion problems like these need to be nipped in the bud. R&F are already being censored in a way. Do you think they feel as free as they did 6 months ago to say whatever they want? You are crazy if you don't think they are toning it down. Ron even asked Dave "to be less Dave"
Why do you think he did that?

[dereckfishboy]

Ron even asked Dave "to be less Dave"
Why do you think he did that?

Well, to be fair Dave isn't past getting dumped out of on the free fm show.... tact isn't one of his strong points...

[Friday]

I have XM for Ron and Fez. If they censor Ron and Fez, I will cancel. As far as I can see right now, O&A have been suspended for insubordination. Until I get further details, I am not cancelling.

Ditto.

[jergo]

Well, to be fair Dave isn't past getting dumped out of on the free fm show.... tact isn't one of his strong points...

True, and I love him for that-and I want him to keep acting that way...
He shouldn't HAVE to tone it down on XM.

[AKA]

I have XM for Ron and Fez. If they censor Ron and Fez, I will cancel. As far as I can see right now, O&A have been suspended for insubordination. Until I get further details, I am not cancelling.

ditto

[mikeyboy]

You have the right to do what you like and I respect that. But in my opinion problems like these need to be nipped in the bud. R&F are already being censored in a way. Do you think they feel as free as they did 6 months ago to say whatever they want? You are crazy if you don't think they are toning it down. Ron even asked Dave "to be less Dave"
Why do you think he did that?

I've stated this a number of times on the board now. I am well aware that there are a number of major repercussions to Ron & Fez from XM's decision to suspend or fire O&A, including restrictions on content and the questionable viability of keeping open the NY XM studio. I'm not the least bit happy about it, but if enough 202 listeners cancel their subs, 1 of 2 things will happen to R&F. Their show will be cancelled while they are under contract, or their contract will not be renewed when it expires. That is something that directly negatively affects the careers of Ron & Fez, and I will not do something that will have that effect unless I learn that R&F are okay with it and/or encourage it. I do not fault anyone who decides to do otherwise, but my personal decision at this point is to not cancel my subs. That may change as circumstances change.

[Earlshog]

I have XM for Ron and Fez. If they censor Ron and Fez, I will cancel. As far as I can see right now, O&A have been suspended for insubordination. Until I get further details, I am not cancelling.

they have been insubordinate for three years... this is about the merger

[danosu85]

Ron and Fez were censored today. They obviously were not allowed to talk about whatever they wanted too.

Did anyone on here call the Ron and Fez show today? I wonder how they were screening calls and if they were telling callers not to talk about O&A.

[jergo]

......1 of 2 things will happen to R&F. Their show will be cancelled while they are under contract, or their contract will not be renewed when it expires. That is something that directly negatively affects the careers of Ron & Fez, and I will not do something that will have that effect unless I learn that R&F are okay with it and/or encourage it. I do not fault anyone who decides to do otherwise, but my personal decision at this point is to not cancel my subs. That may change as circumstances change.

That's assuming XM does not take a hint and reinstate O&A and back off on the censorship of both O&A AND R&F. If everyone resubbed after everything goes back to normal, than that would only ram home the point even further. Keep us happy- we subscribe. Screw with the talent-we cancel.

[citymedic27]

Im an O/A fan that got turned on to RnF b/c they are on after O/A on XM. Im very upset that O/A got suspended for nothing. The real blame should land on XM radio b/c they must have had some type of mangment person in studio when they brought the guest into the studio. I will wait and see if the return in 30days, if they dont, I could listen to RnF but they need to put on some best of RnF or something b/c 24 hrs of the same show sucks.

might horse rocks the fat ass!!

[AKA]

The cavalier attitude, by some, towards the collateral damage to R&F is disturbing.

[wonderwoman]

I'm not cancelling my subscription because the sole reason for me getting XM in the first place was Ron and Fez. I agree the whole O & A thing is fucked up and I do feel a 30-day suspension is kinda of harsh. What homeless charlie said was fucked up and O & A's response and comments to homeless charlie's sick fantasy didnt help and O & A had to ultimately apologize and that should have been the end of it.
I know O & A have said in the past have said we dont apologize for anything and im sure it killed them to apologize but they shouldve left the apology alone and moved on. I do think Xm went a little overboard for yanking the show and them for 30 days but as long as Ron and Fez are on XM I'm not cancelling plain and simple. If it wasnt for Ron & Fez, I would drop Xm in a minute and go to Sirius. I think what Xm is doing to O and A is form of Censorship. I thought Satellite radio was supposed to be different and be free from the shackles of terrastial radio but I guess not.

[Earlshog]

The cavalier attitude, by some, towards the collateral damage to R&F is disturbing.

you care to expand?

the collateral damage will be a hell of a lot worse if all of us do nothing.

[JustJon]

Allow me to propose this question all of you canceling your subscriptions:

Are you going to continue to listen to Ron and Fez (and I don't mean the FreeFM show)? If so, do you really think it helps the buddays if you are stealing the feed/files/whatever?

[jergo]

The cavalier attitude, by some, towards the collateral damage to R&F is disturbing.

How does it damage them by fighting back and taking a stand for their freedom of speech?

[drusilla]

I have XM for Ron and Fez. If they censor Ron and Fez, I will cancel. As far as I can see right now, O&A have been suspended for insubordination. Until I get further details, I am not cancelling.

i'm wit you missy. i'm wit you.

[jergo]

Allow me to propose this question all of you canceling your subscriptions:

Are you going to continue to listen to Ron and Fez (and I don't mean the FreeFM show)? If so, do you really think it helps the buddays if you are stealing the feed/files/whatever?

no, and obviously it doesn't help them in the short run. But it's the long run that counts.

[angrymissy]

Ron and Fez were censored today. They obviously were not allowed to talk about whatever they wanted too.

Did anyone on here call the Ron and Fez show today? I wonder how they were screening calls and if they were telling callers not to talk about O&A.

No, they were issued a request by management to not discuss a huge issue going on within the company.

My company was recently bought out by another company. We found out before it hit the press and I was told not to tell ANYONE - or face being fired. It's typical business practice.

The cavalier attitude, by some, towards the collateral damage to R&F is disturbing.

Like I said, if the siutation was reversed, I doubt many of them would be cancelling their subs and not caring about how it could harm O&A. They would be saying the same things I am saying right now about not wanting to harm Ron and Fez, because that is the show that is more important to me.

Everyone has the right to make their own decisions. Don't fault people who are not cancelling. The amount of people saying "Well, I'll just screw XM then by cancelling and listening to the Ron and Fez show through torrents/paltalk room/whatever" don't seem to realize that that means you are screwing Ron and Fez right along with XM if you do that.

[jergo]

[QUOTE=angrymissy;1315510]No, they were issued a request by management to not discuss a huge issue going on within the company.

My company was recently bought out by another company. We found out before it hit the press and I was told not to tell ANYONE - or face being fired. It's typical business practice.



/QUOTE]


But you aren't a radio "shock jock" broadcasting to millions of paid subscribers. Being told not talk about something on XM is censorship and it's wrong.

[Earlshog]

Allow me to propose this question all of you canceling your subscriptions:

Are you going to continue to listen to Ron and Fez (and I don't mean the FreeFM show)? If so, do you really think it helps the buddays if you are stealing the feed/files/whatever?

Yes I am going to continue to listen. Yeah it is better then me listening to someone else. When O & A return I will renew my subcription and listen leagally

I think it helps the Buddays if we draw a line in the sand and let XM know this will not be tolerated.

[angrymissy]

That's your opinion and all, but I don't even think R&F would really be talking it up about this, even if they were allowed to.

[jergo]

Yes I am going to continue to listen. Yeah it is better then me listening to someone else. When O & A return I will renew my subcription and listen leagally

I think it helps the Buddays if we draw a line in the sand and let XM know this will not be tolerated.

Exactly...I'm not saying we cancel and STAY cancelled. Obviously that does not help them. Well said.

[jergo]

That's your opinion and all, but I don't even think R&F would really be talking it up about this, even if they were allowed to.


Bullshit-it would make great radio.

[angrymissy]

Yes I am going to continue to listen. Yeah it is better then me listening to someone else. When O & A return I will renew my subcription and listen leagally

I think it helps the Buddays if we draw a line in the sand and let XM know this will not be tolerated.

It does not help them to steal their show. Put it any way you want, but you're stealing their show if you listen to it through any other means than XM. That does not help Ron and Fez stay in a job.

Everyone keeps saying things like "Ron and Fez would want us to do this"... no one knows that until you hear it from THEM. It will affect THEIR jobs. Until I hear "cancel xm" from r&F, I'm keeping it.

[Earlshog]

No, they were issued a request by management to not discuss a huge issue going on within the company.

they were dumping calls and asking Dave not be Dave, this had nothing to do with the huge issue, its a consequence of this issue

My company was recently bought out by another company. We found out before it hit the press and I was told not to tell ANYONE - or face being fired. It's typical business practice.

apples and oranges, you also could have faced jail time for sharing that info

Like I said, if the siutation was reversed, I doubt many of them would be cancelling their subs and not caring about how it could harm O&A. They would be saying the same things I am saying right now about not wanting to harm Ron and Fez, because that is the show that is more important to me.

I think you are to caught up in the Ron and Fez fan vs O & A fan thing, everyone should be on the same side here, the fact this is even is an issue is dissapointing, I honeslty expected a lot more from the people here

Everyone has the right to make their own decisions. Don't fault people who are not cancelling. The amount of people saying "Well, I'll just screw XM then by cancelling and listening to the Ron and Fez show through torrents/paltalk room/whatever" don't seem to realize that that means you are screwing Ron and Fez right along with XM if you do that.

You don't have to cancel... some have elected to take that action.. just make sure your voice is heard

[jergo]

It does not help them to steal their show. Put it any way you want, but you're stealing their show if you listen to it through any other means than XM. That does not help Ron and Fez stay in a job.

Everyone keeps saying things like "Ron and Fez would want us to do this"... no one knows that until you hear it from THEM. It will affect THEIR jobs. Until I hear "cancel xm" from r&F, I'm keeping it.

Well, then you'll be keeping it-I don't expect them to come out and say it....

[Dirtybird12]

I only plan to really do something if there is a clear message from R&F



AKA please buy some dope and deliver it to Perry.

love,

Ron

(not really ron..)

[jergo]

You don't have to cancel... some have elected to take that action.. just make sure your voice is heard

Yeah-at least send a friggin' email or something.

[mikeyboy]

Exactly...I'm not saying we cancel and STAY cancelled. Obviously that does not help them. Well said.

To play devil's advocate, if O&A are indeed fired, and after 30 days, R&F are still the only show on 202, will you re-up? You don't have to answer that. I assume the answer is no. I assume that few if any of the cancellers will come back under those circumstances. That does hurt R&F directly.

[feralBoy]

Bullshit-it would make great radio.

How long have you been listening to Ron and Fez? That's totally not their style to talk about shit like that. Even when they were moving from DC to XM, they never mentioned it. They only hinted at it.

[Don Stugots]

[QUOTE=angrymissy;1315510]No, they were issued a request by management to not discuss a huge issue going on within the company.

My company was recently bought out by another company. We found out before it hit the press and I was told not to tell ANYONE - or face being fired. It's typical business practice.



/QUOTE]


But you aren't a radio "shock jock" broadcasting to millions of paid subscribers. Being told not talk about something on XM is censorship and it's wrong.


ok then look at it this way:
the O&A situation could be made worse by Ron & Fez taking calls for three hours of "FUCK XM, I'm GOING TO SIRUS," or "XM SUCKS, FUCK THEM," "RAMONE GET E-LO A NEW COACH PURSE TO PUT HIS BALLS IN." Really entertaining. Plus, you still have a responsibility and obligation to respect the wishes of your boss and YOUR FRIENDS. by taking the F-U calls XM would only use them against O&A.

I am with Missy, Jeff, Jon and Mikeyboy. i got XM for Ron & Fez and as long as they are on I will be here. People crying out to support your local regular radio stations are the same ones that wanted to burn them to the ground a month ago.

[jergo]

To play devil's advocate, if O&A are indeed fired, and after 30 days, R&F are still the only show on 202, will you re-up? You don't have to answer that. I assume the answer is no. I assume that few if any of the cancellers will come back under those circumstances. That does hurt R&F directly.

Well, I hate to admit it-but I would have to eventually resub...I can't live without Ron and Fez. I haven't missed a show in over a year. But that doesn't take away from the statement I make by cancelling now-ESPECIALLY if lots of people do it.

[angrymissy]

How long have you been listening to Ron and Fez? That's totally not their style to talk about shit like that. Even when they were moving from DC to XM, they never mentioned it. They only hinted at it.

EXACTLY. Even if told they could talk about it - it is not their style at all to do so.

[Earlshog]

It does not help them to steal their show. Put it any way you want, but you're stealing their show if you listen to it through any other means than XM. That does not help Ron and Fez stay in a job.

so its better if I listen to Nick DiPalo

Everyone keeps saying things like "Ron and Fez would want us to do this"... no one knows that until you hear it from THEM. It will affect THEIR jobs. Until I hear "cancel xm" from r&F, I'm keeping it.



You are not going to hear that from them, they are not stupid, if you did they would be gone two minutes later.

[jergo]

How long have you been listening to Ron and Fez? That's totally not their style to talk about shit like that. Even when they were moving from DC to XM, they never mentioned it. They only hinted at it.

Been listening off and on since JFK and religiously on XM-haven't missed a show. They have been talking about censorship since the Imus thing went down...why wouldn't they continue?

[AKA]

Everyone has the right to make their own decisions. Don't fault people who are not cancelling. The amount of people saying "Well, I'll just screw XM then by cancelling and listening to the Ron and Fez show through torrents/paltalk room/whatever" don't seem to realize that that means you are screwing Ron and Fez right along with XM if you do that.

I'm completely with you on all of that - I fully support anyone doing anything they need - I will even listen to the occasional lecture - but people shouldn't be completely stunned if I am waiting for my private message...oh wait....this just in...

AKA please buy some dope and deliver it to Perry.

love,

Ron

Message received.

[wonderwoman]

No, they were issued a request by management to not discuss a huge issue going on within the company.

My company was recently bought out by another company. We found out before it hit the press and I was told not to tell ANYONE - or face being fired. It's typical business practice.



Like I said, if the siutation was reversed, I doubt many of them would be cancelling their subs and not caring about how it could harm O&A. They would be saying the same things I am saying right now about not wanting to harm Ron and Fez, because that is the show that is more important to me.

Everyone has the right to make their own decisions. Don't fault people who are not cancelling. The amount of people saying "Well, I'll just screw XM then by cancelling and listening to the Ron and Fez show through torrents/paltalk room/whatever" don't seem to realize that that means you are screwing Ron and Fez right along with XM if you do that.

I agree with angrymissy when she said people who say I'll just screw with XM by cancelling dont realize that you are screwing with Ron & Fez too and they have not done anything to deserve that. It just proves XM is just another fucked up company and the talent in this case Ron and Fez shouldnt get fucked because of something stupid the company does.

[BoondockSaint]

I'm canceling my subs and ordering wedges instead.

[angrymissy]

Been listening off and on since JFK and religiously on XM-haven't missed a show. They have been talking about censorship since the Imus thing went down...why wouldn't they continue?

Then you should know that R&F do not get into the goings-on at their stations. They have always been professionals who go in and do their jobs without getting into the drama.

You are not going to hear that from them, they are not stupid, if you did they would be gone two minutes later.

Respectfully, why would you think that Ron and Fez would want us to cancel XM? Do you think they want another upheaval of their careers?

[angrymissy]

I'm canceling my subs and ordering wedges instead.

MEATBALL WEDGES FOR ALL!!!

[Earlshog]

To play devil's advocate, if O&A are indeed fired, and after 30 days, R&F are still the only show on 202, will you re-up? You don't have to answer that. I assume the answer is no. I assume that few if any of the cancellers will come back under those circumstances. That does hurt R&F directly.

lets hope it dosen't come to that, maybe a show of force now will assure it dosen't come to that later...

if they do get booted well then we address it at that time, its not really relevant now...

[Don Stugots]

Bullshit-it would make great radio.

You don't have to cancel... some have elected to take that action.. just make sure your voice is heard

MEATBALL WEDGES FOR ALL!!!

meatball wedges? damn diet.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Ron and Fez would be hurt if no one listened to them on XM. Considering they depend upon phone calls from listeners for the show, and one can only listen to their XM show if there are XM listeners, that would fuck up their show considerably.

That's how.

[AKA]

http://www.frontiernet.net/~DeYoung9/01Alec/010901%20CottonCandy.jpg

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Now for my own brand of self-righteous sounding offedness.

Fuck XM management. Fuck them. They'll deal with us now.

The only fucking reason anyone subscribes to fucking XM satellite fucking radio, is because of ME.

Actually, I'm keeping my subscription for now. I think it's premature to either say they are fired or cancel your subscription before they are officially canned from XM. I say, give it five days or so. Let the anger build up, well over, and then explode. It'd be more impressive frankly. Everyone's gonna run out of steam by tomorrow cuz they've been jekking off for the past two days and they won't be able to get their rallying dick up no more.

That and I love R&F and want to hear their XM show more than I want to hear their FreeFM.

[Earlshog]

I agree with angrymissy when she said people who say I'll just screw with XM by cancelling dont realize that you are screwing with Ron & Fez too and they have not done anything to deserve that. It just proves XM is just another fucked up company and the talent in this case Ron and Fez shouldnt get fucked because of something stupid the company does.

then don't cancel, but call and voice your displeasure. You are not fucking Ron and Fez by canceling and making a point, you are sending XM a message that is helping them.

[Earlshog]

Respectfully, why would you think that Ron and Fez would want us to cancel XM? Do you think they want another upheaval of their careers?


Ron was very clear in telling everyone to work together yesterday, he told us to go to the websites to organize.

[angrymissy]

Ron was very clear in telling everyone to work together yesterday, he told us to go to the websites to organize.

Yes - but you think that means cancel your subscription? Thereby endangering his job?

[jergo]

Yes - but you think that means cancel your subscription? Thereby endangering his job?

Do you hear that sound? It's the point...wizzing right over your head.

[angrymissy]

Do you hear that sound? It's the point...wizzing right over your head.

No - not at all. Tell me why you think that Ron would want you to unsubscribe to XM.

[jergo]

No - not at all. Tell me why you think that Ron would want you to unsubscribe to XM.

To show XM that the artists SHOULD NOT BE CENSORED OR FEAR FOR THEIR JOBS!
When XM gets the point, everyone resubs, furthing showing XM that we stand behind O&A and R&F.

[angrymissy]

To show XM that the artists SHOULD NOT BE CENSORED OR FEAR FOR THEIR JOBS!
When XM gets the point, everyone resubs, furthing showing XM that we stand behind O&A and R&F.

If Ron did not care about endangering his career, why has he not stepped down in protest?

[mikeyboy]

Yes - but you think that means cancel your subscription? Thereby endangering his job?

He very well might encourage fighting the good fight this way for the integrity of both shows. I just don't know, hence my hesitatncy at cancelling.

Do you hear that sound? It's the point...wizzing right over your head.

I've said it before. There's a lot of passion behind these issues, but if you can't be respectful when arguing your points, then you won't be welcome to argue. We are all on the same side but have differences of opinion as to our personal decisions on how to act.

[Midkiff]

This energy is better suited for helping out or something.

[jergo]

If Ron did not care about endangering his career, why has he not stepped down in protest?

Because protesting is OUR job! Of course he does not want to quit his job or do something that would cause him to be fired.

[angrymissy]

He very well might encourage fighting the good fight this way for the integrity of both shows. I just don't know, hence my hesitatncy at cancelling. .

Exactly. And that is also why I am not cancelling. I'm sure he wants us to voice our displeasure, but I am not doing anything that could potentially affect the show unless I hear otherwise.

[jergo]

He very well might encourage fighting the good fight this way for the integrity of both shows. I just don't know, hence my hesitatncy at cancelling.



I've said it before. There's a lot of passion behind these issues, but if you can't be respectful when arguing your points, then you won't be welcome to argue. We are all on the same side but have differences of opinion as to our personal decisions on how to act.

I apologize to angrymissy for getting pissy-but I just get so damn frustrated when people dont see my point of view! :) Besides, it's not like I called her a bad name.

[angrymissy]

Because protesting is OUR job! Of course he does not want to quit his job or do something that would cause him to be fired.

You are not understanding what I'm saying.

Cancellation of XM subs is something that could potentially cause Ron and Fez to have no job.

So if you think they do not want to lose their jobs or be fired:

Why do you think they would advocate cancelling a subscription to the subscription based company they are employed by?

[Earlshog]

Yes - but you think that means cancel your subscription? Thereby endangering his job?

The reality is it doesn't matter what Ron thinks, or Opie, or the guy in the office next to me. I made my choice to cancel, myself, after thinking it over long and hard, reading, listening to a vast number of opinions. I think its the right thing to do for the long term for Ron and Fez

[mikeyboy]

Because protesting is OUR job! Of course he does not want to quit his job or do something that would cause him to be fired.

But he does want us to do something that could result in his getting fired? I'm not saying you're wrong, but that is a leap in logic.

[angrymissy]

And at this point: EVERYTHING is speculation by all of us, which is why I am hesitant to cancel.

[CruelCircus]

they have not been fired.

I just interviewed XM...on the circus.
Check it out in the Cosmic Circus section

For anyone who does not believe that this is/will be a firing, consider this:

If XM truly had any intention of bringing O&A back why would they remove all of the old shows from Audible.com? Why wouldn't they run best-ofs instead of giving the whole channel to RnF? Suspension would mean best-ofs. Gone altogether means not coming back.

And do you really think Zagman would devote the front page of Wackbag to that message if it wasn't REALLY solid? Would Anthony's sister be out there saying "cancel?"

Read between the lines, folks.

[angrymissy]

For anyone who does not believe that this is/will be a firing, consider this:

If XM truly had any intention of bringing O&A back why would they remove all of the old shows from Audible.com? Why wouldn't they run best-ofs instead of giving the whole channel to RnF? Suspension would mean best-ofs. Gone altogether means not coming back.

And do you really think Zagman would devote the front page of Wackbag to that message if it wasn't REALLY solid? Would Anthony's sister be out there saying "cancel?"

Read between the lines, folks.

Then XM is putting themselves in a very bad position by running the "O&A will be back in June, don't worry!" disclaimer every hour.

[mikeyboy]

The reality is it doesn't matter what Ron thinks, or Opie, or the guy in the office next to me. I made my choice to cancel, myself, after thinking it over long and hard, reading, listening to a vast number of opinions. I think its the right thing to do for the long term for Ron and Fez

...and I respect your decision. It's the right one for you. I don't appreciate being lectured (I'm definitely not pointing fingers at you) because my personal choice differs from others.

[jergo]

You are not understanding what I'm saying.

Cancellation of XM subs is something that could potentially cause Ron and Fez to have no job.

So if you think they do not want to lose their jobs or be fired:

Why do you think they would advocate cancelling a subscription to the subscription based company they are employed by?
Ron and Fez aren't going to lose their job. (Especially on the FM side) Money talks. If the money says we want O&A and R&F uncensored-then we get it. There are too many people just going along with this shit like lambs to the slaughter. I would hate to not make a stand based on something that might remotely happen.

[Earlshog]

Do you hear that sound? It's the point...wizzing right over your head.

If you read the thread earlier Missy called and got the month free, she did something, she told XM she didn't agree with what they did. Nothing wizzed past her head. You guys don't agree on something. The board is a place of discourse for us to go back in forth and learn from each other. Being and ass and posting thing like you did isn't going to help matters. They idea is for us to get on the same page

[feralBoy]

And do you really think Zagman would devote the front page of Wackbag to that message if it wasn't REALLY solid? Would Anthony's sister be out there saying "cancel?"

Read between the lines, folks.

If OnA were fired, what would prevent anthony from posting on wackbag that they are fired?

[jergo]

...and I respect your decision. It's the right one for you. I don't appreciate being lectured (I'm definitely not pointing fingers at you) because my personal choice differs from others.

That's cool and I completely respect that. It would be a boring message board if everyone agreed on everything.

[mikeyboy]

If OnA were fired, what would prevent anthony from posting on wackbag that they are fired?

They could be "cancelled" but still under contract (like they were with WNEW), and talking about it could be a breach of contract. Or, possibly, they've been outright fired and talking about it is a violation of whatever they agreed to in their severance package.

[Don Stugots]

Then XM is putting themselves in a very bad position by running the "O&A will be back in June, don't worry!" disclaimer every hour.

playing that message over and over is pretty far to try to spin something only to go back on it.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I l also Have Direct TV XM, so I am covered if there is a mass cancelation

:king:

[jergo]

playing that message over and over is pretty far to try to spin something only to go back on it.
Yeah, I don't think they are fired YET.

[Earlshog]

...and I respect your decision. It's the right one for you. I don't appreciate being lectured (I'm definitely not pointing fingers at you) because my personal choice differs from others.

thats what everyone should do... what they feel is right...

what I am expressing is my reason why to me I am doing "what is right" I encourage everyone to do the same... its a great dialouge

[angrymissy]

thats what everyone should do... what they feel is right...

what I am expressing is my reason why to me I am doing "what is right" I encourage everyone to do the same... its a great dialouge

Definitely. That is the same thing I am doing, it is interesting conversation.

[Dieseldog]

I think that if everyone calls in for the credit it will send a message. If enough people do it, XM will loose alot of money in revenue, and that should send a message not to pull this shit again. Regardless, I feel XM lost its magic, I bought XM because anyone can say what they want with out the stupid laws of terrestial radio. Now Opie and Anthony are getting shit for things that some on their show said, not even them. This shits going downhill. We'll probably never have the same XM 202 again. I would hope Ron & Fez wouldn't hold back, but how could they not with the fear of being fired constantly looming over their heads.

R.I.P.-XM 202 5/15/07

[CruelCircus]

Then XM is putting themselves in a very bad position by running the "O&A will be back in June, don't worry!" disclaimer every hour.

Not at all, really.
Actually, assuming for a sec that it is a firing, it's probably the best thing they can do to hold onto subs. Think about it. If they announce right now that O&A are done, there'll be a flood of cancellations, complaints, etc. much greater than what they are getting now.
By putting it off for 30 days, they've created a whole group of "fence-sitters"- people who take a month refund, or a free 3 months, or just take a wait and see approach. XM hopes that 30 days to get used to the service w/o O&A, combined with the loss of interest/inertia that really is inevitable human nature, will lead to a good number of those fence-sitters keeping XM.
It really is no lose for them.

[badmonkey]

I'm pretty sure XM can track exactly how many listeners are tuned into any of their channels at any given time. What message does XM get about the Ron and Fez show when they see their listenership drop to a couple hundred or less from all the cancellations? Every call you make to complain costs xm money whether they give you a refund or a credit. Every minute you are on hold costs them money. It costs the company I work for a minimum of $10 for each customer service call. Call now, call often, call everyday til they bring O&A back on the air. Keep listening to Ron and Fez legally and keep their tune-in numbers up at least during their normal scheduled shows/replays.

Badmonkey

[Dan G]

I'm pretty sure XM can track exactly how many listeners are tuned into any of their channels at any given time.

Actually they can't. XM radios can only receive data, not send data back. XM and Sirius calculate listeners by surveys and Arbitron ratings books.

[badmonkey]

Interesting. I had no idea they weren't able to track it. So all this time it hasn't mattered that I leave it on in the truck and tuned 202 after midnite til the battery dies. Very strange.

Badmonkey

[WampusCrandle]

Hey buddies.

not in the country right now, but i heard the horrible happenings about the boys. i want to support O and A, but i dont want to take away from Ron and Fez - what do you think i should do?

[Dan G]

...

[Gvac]

Obviously the only people in the world who can speak for Ron and Fez are Ron and Fez themselves. That being said, I think the boys would like us to voice our displeasure with XM in the strongest way possible.

I know the last thing in the world that they want is another blow-up in their careers, and God forbid if they had to leave New York again. It would be awful. I like to think they'd be willing to risk that, though, to see the right thing done.

Since I have no way of knowing, I can only do what I feel is right. That's what led me to cancel my XM subscription.

I wouldn't count on FreeFM being around much longer either.

[SinA]

I joined PAC.
I'm cancelling my sub. I know I've been dragging my feet, but you know it's a hard break up. Still, if I'm serious about this thing, I've got to do it.
I wrote to all the people at XM I know, and all the people I don't know but could find addresses for.
I'm wrote a message to the advertisers. I tailored it to be specific to each recipient, but this is the basic form:I’m writing today to urge you to immediately withdraw your advertisements from XM Satellite Radio. For years XM has promoted itself as an unrestricted alternative to traditional radio that allows uncensored expression and provides commercial free music. Yesterday, XM suspended the “Opie and Anthony” radio program in response to the demands of a small but very vocal group of protesters. Whether or not you condone the statements made on the show, you should recognize that the American value of “free speech” compels us to permit all forms of artistic expression, regardless of whether or not someone may find it displeasing. By continuing to advertise on XM Satellite Radio you are, in effect, funding censorship.

Please be sure that this is not just about a “shock-jock’s” right to speak freely. This is about the customer’s right to hear the content they want without any irrationally imposed stipulations. We feel that we should dictate what we will tolerate on our own, independent of any “special interest groups,” especially since we are paying for the service. In only the first day since this suspension was announced, thousands of XM subscribers have already canceled their subscriptions. In the days to come, several thousand more will do the same. We do this because we value freedom of expression and refuse to support this service if it continues to exercise censorship. I can assure you that while this environment of restricted liberties persists, we will not endorse your products if you continue to support XM.

Thank you for your time and cooperation,
X______
X_____

I sent that to these people because they advertise on 202:

Carbonite Online Backup
http://www.carbonite.com/CustomerSupport/ContactSupport.aspx?action=feedback
CEO & President david.friend@carbonite.com.

Anthem Steel Buildings
http://www.anthemsteel.com/contact.htm
1-800-220-9436

GoToMyPC
gotocustomercare@care.gotomypc.com

GoToMeeting
gotomeetingcare@citrixonline.com

Sunsetter Awnings (“Tell ‘em about the discount, Harry”)
jonathan@sunsetter.com
contactus@sunsetter.com

GameFly
advertising@gamefly.com

Zencore
help@zencoretabs.com
sales@zencoretabs.com

MaxiDerm
credits@lemsupport.com

Internet Speedway
support@ispeedway.com
http://ispeedway.com/default.asp?S=J3&A=N

I'll keep sending letters to other advertisers, but right now I gotta eat spaghetti.

[PopPop]

I know I am a hillbilly farm owner and from the sticks but, I think we could PESTerthe hell out of XM as a subscribers better than we could as ex subscribers. I have no problem with a walkout and as a union guy and it could serve a purpose. Do what you think is best. Now is not the time to leave XM. We need to bug the XM execs as the people who pay XM Radio employees salary. Not former listeners.

[jonnyAK]

I know I am a hillbilly farm owner and from the sticks but, I think we could PESTerthe hell out of XM as a subscribers better than we could as ex subscribers. I have no problem with a walkout and as a union guy and it could serve a purpose. Do what you think is best. Now is not the time to leave XM. We need to bug the XM execs as the people who pay XM Radio employees salary. Not former listeners.
jonnyAK says:"Pester! To hear the pest is to listen to the pest!" The siuted bigwigs are not able to hear anything lower than a PEST, so don't go a changen your status into nothing by leaving the XM nation and thereby lowering yourself down to the NOTHING SQUIBS.

[danosu85]

If you don't want to cancel then call or e-mail and let them know that you are not happy. If you do cancel you will still get XM 8, 17, 20, 46, 50, 54, 71, 121, 143, 156, and 175 unil5/24

[BYOBKenobi]

I just got a reply from proflowers (who I've used and supported... AND reccomended to investors in my stock brokering days). Response in only 4 hours.

Dear Mr. xxx,

Thank you for taking the time to contact us. We would like to assure you that
ProFlowers does not endorse the views expressed by XM Radio. We understand your
concerns and we will ensure that your feedback is communicated to the producers
of XM Radio. We appreciate your feedback, as it allows us to more effectively
manage our relationships with our advertising partners. If you have any further
questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us.



Best Regards,

HB Gary Kostemaj
Customer Care
ProFlowers
The Art of Fresher Flowers

-----Original Message-----
From: xxx
Sent: May 16, 2007 4:08:10 PM
Subject: Customer Submission: General Comments

The following customer submission has been completed:

Name: xxx
Telephone: xxx
Email: xxx
Order#:
----------------------------------------------------------------
I have been a loyal customer for many years, but the continued sponsorship of XM
Radio shows clearly that you are not the type of company that deserves my money.
Until your adds are pulled from XM Radio and a statement is released that shows
clearly that you do not support censorship I will take my business elsewhere.

[mikeyboy]

I just got a reply from proflowers (who I've used and supported... AND reccomended to investors in my stock brokering days). Response in only 4 hours.

Dear Mr. xxx,

Thank you for taking the time to contact us. We would like to assure you that
ProFlowers does not endorse the views expressed by XM Radio. We understand your
concerns and we will ensure that your feedback is communicated to the producers
of XM Radio. We appreciate your feedback, as it allows us to more effectively
manage our relationships with our advertising partners. If you have any further
questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us.



Best Regards,

HB Gary Kostemaj
Customer Care
ProFlowers
The Art of Fresher Flowers

-----Original Message-----
From: xxx
Sent: May 16, 2007 4:08:10 PM
Subject: Customer Submission: General Comments

The following customer submission has been completed:

Name: xxx
Telephone: xxx
Email: xxx
Order#:
----------------------------------------------------------------
I have been a loyal customer for many years, but the continued sponsorship of XM
Radio shows clearly that you are not the type of company that deserves my money.
Until your adds are pulled from XM Radio and a statement is released that shows
clearly that you do not support censorship I will take my business elsewhere.

Your original e-mail to them isn't very specific. Unless they are following the issues, they may have absolutely no idea what you're complaining about. I suggest that if you're going to send e-mails like this, you are extremely specific about why you don't support XM. As it is, it's extremely unspecific, and can only do more harm than good if O&A end up back on the service.

[jonnyAK]

If you don't want to cancel then call or e-mail and let them know that you are not happy. If you do cancel you will still get XM 8, 17, 20, 46, 50, 54, 71, 121, 143, 156, and 175 unil5/24

jonnyAK : Sorry, wasn't clear on that(my very first thread talky dealie) By all means call, e-mail, write....whaterver you think can truly help LiL jimmi norton and the boys, just make sure you do it as an XM subscriber or it won't carry as much weight. (Don't Fuck with R&F)

[BYOBKenobi]

I'm not going to send a 10,000 word essay because NOBODY will read it.

I'm trying, Mikey. I just want to do what's right.

[JPMNICK]

For anyone interested, this is from Opie's Brother Elmo, as posted on wackbag. He is personally telling people to cancel.


Many of you know me. Many of you have met me. I want you to listen to me for a moment. These are my own views and I do not claim to speak on behalf of anyone else.

We are at war here and I'm pissed off as all hell. Hyperbole aside, this is very real. Many people are wondering why they should cancel their XM subscriptions. The answer is simple. Opie & Anthony, by their actions towards their fans, have fostered a communal environment among the pests. They sponsor comedy tours and various live events where they stay and meet every single last fan. They show up at F.H. Riley's just to hang out with everyone. They fill the studio up each morning with pests who are able to watch the show as it's created. They take care to treat the PalTalk cameras as an important aspect of the show, so viewers across the country can easily take part. No one, and I mean no one, treats their fans better than O & A!!! And right now they need us--every single one of us--to stand up, be counted and send XM an unequivocal message.

When they were ushered off of the air in 2002 they had a huge backbone of fan support, but it didn't matter. They were thrown under the bus. What's different now is that we all pay for XM Satellite Radio. We will make a difference this time around because we control the purse strings. Every cancellation is future revenue out of XM's pocket. But every single person reading this must RIGHT NOW call XM and outright cancel their subscription. I'm sorry, but nothing else is acceptable!!!! I don't want to hear that someone is "waiting to see if they'll still be on in a month."

XM's actions are obvious business decisions. By offering freebies of 30 or 60 days, they are blatantly trying to keep their subscription numbers up. Why? So when this fades away, as they hope it will, their balance sheets won't reflect the reality of numbers lost! The only way a lost sub will count as a lost sub is to OUTRIGHT CANCEL it now. I'm personally asking you to do this. I am asking you to tell every subscriber you know to do the same. Outright cancellation.

Some want to hold onto their subscriptions to avoid a reactivation fee in the future. Let me hit you with some harsh reality. No one in radio history has ever been 'suspended' without being fired. It doesn't happen and it's only XM's way of trying to spread out the story to avoid mass cancellations. Unfortunately, the ONLY thing XM will understand is a mass cancellation. Can I guarantee that O&A are fired? No, I cannot, but I think we all know where this is going. If we are able to win this war, then XM would be incredibly stupid not to waive the reactivation fees. Clearly by their recent moves they are making horrendous business decisions, but you do hope that logic would return at some point.

What bothers me most is XM's complete cowardice in this matter. Using various despicable excuses for the 'suspension.' It's as if the brave knight faced a tiny little mouse and decided to turn tail and run!! With the absurdity of the recent spate of radio firings, XM needed to not only SUPPORT Opie & Anthony, but to VIGOROUSLY DEFEND them!! Boy, did they let every one of us subscribers down!! How many times can we say it? XM Channel 202 is an uncensored XL SATELLITE radio station. The absolute last bastion of free speech. The press and the pundits that XM bowed to seem to ignore this fact. We, the PAYING fans, will not forget this fact. We pay for uncensored radio. We know it's uncensored radio. We want our uncensored radio back!!

Cancel now!!!!!!!

Thank you for supporting the boys.

--Brother Elmo
http://www.myspace.com/brotherelmo

[Midkiff]

Try this one:

---------------------------

I’m writing today to urge you to immediately withdraw your advertisements from XM Satellite Radio. For years XM has promoted itself as an unrestricted alternative to traditional radio that allows uncensored expression and provides commercial free music. Yesterday, XM suspended the “Opie and Anthony” radio program in response to the demands of a small but very vocal group of protesters. Whether or not you condone the statements made on the show, you should recognize that the American value of “free speech” compels us to permit all forms of artistic expression, regardless of whether or not someone may find it displeasing. By continuing to advertise on XM Satellite Radio you are, in effect, funding censorship.

Please be sure that this is not just about a “shock-jock’s” right to speak freely. This is about the customer’s right to hear the content they want without any irrationally imposed stipulations. We feel that we should dictate what we will tolerate on our own, independent of any “special interest groups,” especially since we are paying for the service. In only the first day since this suspension was announced, thousands of XM subscribers have already canceled their subscriptions. In the days to come, several thousand more will do the same. We do this because we value freedom of expression and refuse to support this service if it continues to exercise censorship. I can assure you that while this environment of restricted liberties persists, we will not endorse your products if you continue to support XM.

Thank you for your time and cooperation,

xxxxxx

[yellowstonesteve]

finally canceled my account. 3 radios, 1 basically brand new. I thought about going with the free month offer, but it just didn't seem right. I'll just have to get by with downloading R&F Free FM podcasts and playing them on my Nexus.

[mikeyboy]

I understand his passion and what he's trying to do, but this simply isn't true:

No one in radio history has ever been 'suspended' without being fired.

[TheMojoPin]

While I understand why people would want to cancel their subscriptions, this is a R&F site and most of the people here are R&F fans first. I'm just saying that so people don't come here somehow expecting the posters here to just up and drop their XM because of this.

[TheMojoPin]

I understand his passion and what he's trying to do, but this simply isn't true:

No kidding. If anything, it's the exact oppposite. Far more suspensions don't end with someone being fired.

[JPMNICK]

I understand his passion and what he's trying to do, but this simply isn't true:

yea I had a point of contention with that one as well Mikey. I always hate when a well typed, or well meaning letter is ruined by blanket statements that are not true.

I think O&A themselves have been put on suspension and come back.

[JPMNICK]

While I understand why people would want to cancel their subscriptions, this is a R&F site and most of the people here are R&F first. I'm just saying that so people don't come here somehow expecting the posters here to just up and drop their XM because of this.

I agree Mojo. It would almost be like going to the Oprah XM website and expecting them to cancel. It is kind of different because both shows interact and are on the same channel, but by cancelling you are almost punishing yourself as a R&F fan. it is a tough spot to be in for sure, and I do not think there is a right or wrong answer.

[mikeyboy]

yea I had a point of contention with that one as well Mikey. I always hate when a well typed, or well meaning letter is ruined by blanket statements that are not true.

I think O&A themselves have been put on suspension and come back.

I recall that happening at WNEW,but I don't recall specifics. Some others come to mind.

- J.V. & Elvis were suspended a few times and brought back (for among other things, running goofy sound effects over the NY feed of Penn Jillette's show) before the most recent incident

- Ron & Fez got suspended for a few days on WJFK for not mistakenly not dumping out of a caller who cursed.

- The majority of the members of the show that aired the Tsunami song were allowed back after being suspended. (Sorry, Rick Delgado).

- I vaguely recall some Don & Mike suspensions as well.

I know there are many others.

[johnniewalker]

yea I had a point of contention with that one as well Mikey. I always hate when a well typed, or well meaning letter is ruined by blanket statements that are not true.

I think O&A themselves have been put on suspension and come back.

You have to remember this guy is a lunatic. Didn't he rip through my angel is a centerfold and scream bubba is a cunt for like three minutes straight? Ha. Scholarly ehh, but Mikey is right he's passionate and his heart is in the right place.

[JPMNICK]

i read on another board that tony kornheiser was suspended from ESPN radio and then allowed to come back. he was a top show on that network, kind of like how O&A are a top draw on XM.

i think they are going to come back. I think they were suspended, and probably told at the end of the suspension they would be fired, but it will not be announced for 30 days. I think XM wanted to see what the real backlash was going to be. XM is in the drivers seat here. No one has publicy said fired, all this is rumors. So at day 29, XM says to them "be on air tommorow" and boom, all this is over with. With the cancelled subs that are happening, plus all of the message board chatter from the hardcore fans, I think XM is realizing that losing O&A might hurt a lot more than they anticipated.

[celery]

You have to remember this guy is a lunatic. Didn't he rip through my angel is a centerfold and scream bubba is a cunt for like three minutes straight? Ha. Scholarly ehh, but Mikey is right he's passionate and his heart is in the right place.

True, but you have to assume that Elmo checked with Opie before posting this. O&A can't (or wouldn't) officially call for cancellations themselves, but this is pretty close in my mind.

[jergo]

I recall that happening at WNEW,but I don't recall specifics. Some others come to mind.

- J.V. & Elvis were suspended a few times and brought back (for among other things, running goofy sound effects over the NY feed of Penn Jillette's show) before the most recent incident

- Ron & Fez got suspended for a few days on WJFK for not mistakenly not dumping out of a caller who cursed.

- The majority of the members of the show that aired the Tsunami song were allowed back after being suspended. (Sorry, Rick Delgado).

- I vaguely recall some Don & Mike suspensions as well.

I know there are many others.

Yeah I remember Don and Mike and O&A BOTH got suspended for a couple weeks for getting nasty with each other back in the JFK days and they were allowed to come back.
Other than that one incorrect statement I agree with everything else he says.

[epo]

i read on another board that tony kornheiser was suspended from ESPN radio and then allowed to come back. he was a top show on that network, kind of like how O&A are a top draw on XM.

i think they are going to come back. I think they were suspended, and probably told at the end of the suspension they would be fired, but it will not be announced for 30 days. I think XM wanted to see what the real backlash was going to be. XM is in the drivers seat here. No one has publicy said fired, all this is rumors. So at day 29, XM says to them "be on air tommorow" and boom, all this is over with. With the cancelled subs that are happening, plus all of the message board chatter from the hardcore fans, I think XM is realizing that losing O&A might hurt a lot more than they anticipated.

Kornheiser was suspended from ESPN Radio & his PTI for a week(???) after one of the guys on his staff was fired and Tony went off on it on the air.

[JPMNICK]

Kornheiser was suspended from ESPN Radio & his PTI for a week(???) after one of the guys on his staff was fired and Tony went off on it on the air.

yea and then he took a 3 week vacation on the end of the suspension, and was gone a month

[PapaBear]

It seamed that D&M used to get suspended about every 3 months. And yeah... R&F were suspended for one week for a missed dump button issue (a week in which Peter Rosenberg filled in, and got nothing but hateful calls from R&F fans. It was great).

[waltermitty]

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[Gvac]

I tried to cancel my two accounts for 30 days but they offered me a free month on both accounts, which is effectively the same thin to me. It still cost them 30 days of my subscription revenue.

And in 30 short days they'll have you back as a paying customer. You essentially gave them your consent to censor whomever they want whenever they want as long as they throw you 12 bucks every so often.

Sorry, I'm not picking on you, but I've seen this type of response a hundred times in this thread.

I really, really think people are missing the point.

[PapaBear]

When was this? and do you remember what went out over the air?
It was a few months before they finally left WJFK. A caller said "shit". Keisha and Earth2Kev were on the dump buttong, but missed it. No one knew until a caller (and people on AIM) told them about it.

[celery]

The Consumerist: XM Radio Subscribers Are Pretty Darn Ticked Off (http://consumerist.com/consumer/state-of-the-backlash/xm-radio-subscribers-are-pretty-darn-ticked-off-260973.php)

[JPMNICK]

The Consumerist: XM Radio Subscribers Are Pretty Darn Ticked Off (http://consumerist.com/consumer/state-of-the-backlash/xm-radio-subscribers-are-pretty-darn-ticked-off-260973.php)

that is on the front page of digg.com right now too if you want to vote on it

[jergo]

The comments after the "article" are funny!

[RogerPodacter]

If his brother's message is authentic, then O&A new what, when and why he was gonna post that message. I doubt they are coming back to XM. Think clearly. If there was a chance for them to return, do you honestly think his brother would post that message RISKING adding more fuel to the fire, ultimately getting them fired?!?! Hell no. He would talk to his brother, and keep his mouth shut to not further ruin things. But the opposite happened.

This is a message from the O&A camp without actually being from them, hence not violating conract or confidentiality agreements which were no doubtedly signed between O&A and XM regarding the suspension.

[mikeyboy]

It was a few months before they finally left WJFK. A caller said "shit". Keisha and Earth2Kev were on the dump buttong, but missed it. No one knew until a caller (and people on AIM) told them about it.

Keshia gets a bad rap for what happened. I was there that night. This is when they promoted Keshia from intern to executive producer because WJFK knew they were leaving and didn't want to hire a new producer. Keshia was actually out of the room doing producer stuff when it went down. I suppose that's all irrelevant and doesn't have much to do with this thread.

[RogerPodacter]

I think people need to show anger towards the actual apology which was forced by XM for people and special interest groups who dont even listen to the show. The suspension is only because O&A mocked that apology, which was unjustified in the first place.

Remember people, its the APOLOGY thats the issue. The apology. I keep reading arguments that XM is allowed to suspend employees if they do something like this. And thats true. But they shouldnt have had to apologize in the first place.

[AKA]

Don and Mike have been suspendend maybe a half dozen times in the last ten years. The most famous was when Don said something to prove a point that they are held to a different standard than other shows - the timing of it was bad, because Mel was meeting before Congress that week in the wake of the Janet Jackson incident - the D&M thing got mentioned on the floor of the congress. Very sureal.

The oddest D&M related suspension was when their producers were put on leave for a week or two for failing to edit a best of that aired, with something unbleeped, and they didn't catch it.

It was a few months before they finally left WJFK. A caller said "shit". Keisha and Earth2Kev were on the dump buttong, but missed it. No one knew until a caller (and people on AIM) told them about it.

Actually, I think it was within their last month of work at WJFK - it was very close to the end.

[AKA]

While I understand why people would want to cancel their subscriptions, this is a R&F site and most of the people here are R&F fans first. I'm just saying that so people don't come here somehow expecting the posters here to just up and drop their XM because of this.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0784011710.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Gvac]

I think people need to show anger towards the actual apology which was forced by XM for people and special interest groups who dont even listen to the show. The suspension is only because O&A mocked that apology, which was unjustified in the first place.

Remember people, its the APOLOGY thats the issue. The apology. I keep reading arguments that XM is allowed to suspend employees if they do something like this. And thats true. But they shouldnt have had to apologize in the first place.

Amen, Roger.

There are also other ways of handling it, such as a behind-the-scenes fine. I'm sure there's a stipulation for such things in the contract. There was no need to publicly announce a suspension, complete with a press release, unless they wanted to send a message to potential sponsors and/or protesters.

[Zorro]

Dear XXXXXXX XXXXXX,

Thank you for contacting XM Satellite Radio.

We apologize for our delayed response to your email and any inconvenience you may have experienced as a result. Our records indicate that you called our Listener Care Center after you sent us an email regarding your cancellation. Your request has already been processed.

If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to send an additional email or you may contact a Listener Care Representative directly at 1-800-XM RADIO (800-967-2346). For commercial accounts, please contact 1-888-689-2300.

As always, visit our website at www.xmradio.com for all the latest news on XM Satellite Radio.

Our Listener Care Centers hours of operation are as follows:
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Thank you,
Peter-Gaye
XM's Listener Care Representative



On May 15, 2007 at 4:36 PM, "XXXXX XXXXX" wrote:
Please accept this notice as direction to cancel my account immediately:

xxxxxxxxx
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Account: 1-xxxxx

[HumpmanHanks]

Another outlet to help the cause.

www.cancelxm.com

[ScottFromGA]

I don't think I can do it. I listen to a bunch of other stations as well. Giving up XM would be like a junkie giving up his crack pipe.

thats exactly how I felt....when I traded in my truck for my new one, i had to wait for the proper hardware for my reciever to fit onto.....(got it in a fast time from MyRadioStore.com)


i went 2 days without XM....i was shaking like a mad man during my lunches.

[moochcassidy]

O&A Suspended- XM subscribers smash radios compilation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NuB6YVBjcg)

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Here's a thought.

Doesn't XM have a $10 activation fee for subscribers? That being said, when O&A come back, are people going to bitch that if there was, in fact, 40K cancellations, when those people come back, that this whole thing make XM about $400,000 dollars?

Just something I was thinking about.

[J.Clints]

There is a certain amount of time before they charge you for activation. I went through this a little while back.

[sailor]

but they saved $12.95 a month on the service. plus, they gave out tons of free months.

[J.Clints]

but they saved $12.95 a month on the service. plus, they gave out tons of free months.

Yes. The point is they are loosing money right now. Who gives a fuck how much they make when they come back.

[johnniewalker]

I guess that works towards the conspiracy theorists. That said it would seem silly if they were willing to give out free months, that they would discourage people from coming back with a reactivation fee.

[ChrisTheCop]

Theyll also make money when people replace the radios theyve smashed or otherwise abused. But I agree, the point of the cancellations is to make a point.

[Death Metal Moe]

For sure. I think the Pests were looking to make bad press more than hitting XM in their wallet.

They wanted the press to pick up the story and the fact that there was finally some outrage about all the manufactured special interest group outrage that leads companies to censor and fire their talent.

On a side note, I'm sure I'm not the only XM listener with an extra radio. If I were going to smash mine for a video, I'd smash my older extra unit. Granted, I did see a young man put his Inno on a bench grinder, but most of the videos I saw were old Roady2 units. We all know that was everyone's 1st radio and a majority have replaced with something newer.

[Tenbatsuzen]

On a side note, I'm sure I'm not the only XM listener with an extra radio. If I were going to smash mine for a video, I'd smash my older extra unit. Granted, I did see a young man put his Inno on a bench grinder, but most of the videos I saw were old Roady2 units. We all know that was everyone's 1st radio and a majority have replaced with something newer.

Especially since you can buy a roady2 for like 10 bucks now.

[JustJon]

Here's a thought.

Doesn't XM have a $10 activation fee for subscribers? That being said, when O&A come back, are people going to bitch that if there was, in fact, 40K cancellations, when those people come back, that this whole thing make XM about $400,000 dollars?

Just something I was thinking about.

Activation fees used to be waved if you activated online instead of on the phone.

[nolarat5]

I think Ron has been bringing the funny, would love to here fez to on XM . It's one month, I've served longer in state programs for cryin out loud.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I've read a lot of things in this thread, and a lot of things I both agree and disagree with. Although I am taking the "wait and see" approach to this, I want to make a few things clear:

1) Even with my past distaste for the Pests, I do support the PAC. Although I don't believe that the current O&A issue is a free speech issue, the PAC serves a needed purpose to help balance out the special interest groups that threaten radio. We will need them in the future; of this I have no doubt.

2) I didn't and I won't cancel my XM subscription. I DID hear the Homeless Charlie bit, and the events leading up to the suspension leads me to believe that XM is being on the up and up about this, and it's not the bit itself that got O&A and trouble, but rather the drama that surrounded it.

3) The media issues with this have all but extinguished. I highly believe if O&A make it past this weekend and still have a job with XM, they will be back on the air as promised on June 16th.

4) The suspension and the "gag order" on O&A was the best possible thing to happen. It's not censorship (IMHO) if you're trying to protect the big picture. If O&A kept harping on this, they may (and probably would have) given the media more fuel to continue their witchhunt. What happened with Imus was probably used as a model in this case. The more Imus opened his mouth, the more trouble he got into. By telling O&A to keep quiet, XM actually did the opposite and probably SAVED O&A's jobs not just with XM, but with CBS as well.

5) If I'm wrong, and if O&A are fired over this, then I will be screaming at the front lines, hand-in-hand with people I've bashed in the past several years. Strange bedfellows, indeed. But until that point is reached, I'm still sitting on the sidelines.

The Ron and Fez situation:

Even if O&A are fired from XM, I don't believe (IMHO) that Ron and Fez's jobs would be in danger either on XM or CBS. Worst case scenario, I would believe that R&F would continue to carry 202 by themselves, OR they would be shuffled to a different XM channel.

Free-FM in Danger:

I personally think (again) that O&A being exclusive to CBS is the best thing that could have happened, because if they trend upwards, it will give the CBS suits an idea if O&A are actually being successful on terrestrial radio. The XM suspension may have saved O&A's (and R&F's) CBS jobs in a roundabout way, with the rumors of Free-FM being blown up.

Boycotting:

The only negative issue I've had in this situation with people are with those who cancel and then use "alternative" (read: illegal) methods to listen to Ron and Fez. A boycott is a boycott, it's about sacrifice to prove a point not just to the company, but the public at large. If you want to make a statement, make a statement.

[PapaBear]

I hate to say it, but...

word.

[Don Stugots]

Yeah, MMAAAAAANNN!!!!

[moochcassidy]

there you have it folks... youre taking your leadership from MATTY FUCKING FRIDAY at this point.

ill stick with ronnie B on this one...


clip from ron and fez FreeFM show 10th May 2007 (http://media.putfile.com/mr-b-10th-may-2007)

"TO ME, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS RIGHT NOW TO ONE OF US, ITS HAPPENING TO ALL OF US" (RB)


his continuing to SUPPORT THE PAC (http://peopleagainstcensorship.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46&Itemid=47) publicly (EVEN following their call for membership to boycott XM) and clear and quite frankly surprising overt plugs and support for Mafialife "i think hes doing the right thing, you gotta do what you gotta do" Chris, after his move to writhdraw sponsorship from XM. is good enough for me.

its a paradox that the only place ron has any space to speak his mind on this issue is on the FM show.

[Don Stugots]

mooch, no one is taking direction from matty, god help anyone that does. i think it is great that all of us are this passionate about this stuff. the only beef i can see is that if you are boycotting then it has to be 100%, now listening via underground. I know matty has said it and so has papabear.

for me, cause i know i will be asked:
i have made the phone calls and sent the emails. not just once, i have a total of 5 hours to kill to and from work and the phones to E-Lo and the everyone does help to pass the time. I have gone to the protests and will again when they are not at a time when i can risk losing my job. I spread the word and i am even talking to people that do not know about this, i.e parents inlaws to get them register. i firmly believe that once "hot" talk radio is gone while on free radio or pay radio something else that people enjoy will be next. maybe video games, books, stand up, TV, etc. My dad who i think will be signing up is convinced that his beloved NASCAR has been ruined with watered down rules to make the sport easier on the eyes to watch. Now, he has stopped watching and he WILL not get results from the news paper.

[moochcassidy]

my analysis on a boycott in this new and unique industry and the moral implications of stealing from XM has been discussed at length (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60076&page=10&highlight=mafialife). i think everyone knows how i feel about that.

ive struggled with this decision. my conscience is clear.

Stug, i know youve been a outspoken supporter of the PAC- but its all lip service if youre not willing to follow the first basic directive of the group and cancel your sub.

you of all people should be 1000% behind this.

[PapaBear]

If OnA aren't back after the suspension, I'll cancel 2 of my 3 subs. The 3rd one is my mother's. She uses it to listen to Fox News. I don't agree with her politically, but she's a nice old lady. If I do cancel, I won't listen to any XM R&F shows.

I hate how this whole thing has me disagreeing with people I like, and (in some rare occasions) agreeing with people I don't like, but I do like how it has us all talking about real issues for once.

[sailor]

If OnA aren't back after the suspension, I'll cancel 2 of my 3 subs. The 3rd one is my mother's. She uses it to listen to Fox News. I don't agree with her politically, but she's a nice old lady. If I do cancel, I won't listen to any XM R&F shows.

I hate how this whole thing has me disagreeing with people I like, and (in some rare occasions) agreeing with people I don't like, but I do like how it has us all talking about real issues for once.

why don't she watch on tv?

[PapaBear]

why don't she watch on tv?
She does. She thinks she needs it in the car, too. Don't dwell on this. I just won't cancel her sub for any reason.

[sailor]

She does. She thinks she needs it in the car, too. Don't dwell on this. I just won't cancel her sub for any reason.

nah, not asking you too. i just think old ladies should stay home more. my grandma is out and about way too much. thankfully she doesn't drive.

[Death Metal Moe]

http://www.scarysquirrel.org/current/pizza/pics/pizza7.jpg

[moochcassidy]

those are squirrels, Pavlov's analogy was rats. genius.

[IamFogHat]

Why would you cancel over this mess? O&A will be back, it's not like they're fired. I'm pissed too, and yes XM showed their true colors as pussies willing to give in to special interest bullshit, but we're just in a tricky climate right now like we were a few years back with the FCC chaos. Just ride it out. It'll pass.

[Tenbatsuzen]

my analysis on a boycott in this new and unique industry and the moral implications of stealing from XM has been discussed at length (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60076&page=10&highlight=mafialife). i think everyone knows how i feel about that.

ive struggled with this decision. my conscience is clear.

Stug, i know youve been a outspoken supporter of the PAC- but its all lip service if youre not willing to follow the first basic directive of the group and cancel your sub.

you of all people should be 1000% behind this.

"first directive of the group"?

Mooch, the entire idealogy behind being anti-censorship is the free exchange of ideas, even if they are different from your own.

Free speech means free will and free choice, even if it's unpopular. If you're saying that I don't believe in free speech because I'm not cancelling my subscription, then that goes against what the PAC stands for in the first place. MY freedom of speech is saying to XM, "I understand you had to do what you had to do. I will continue my subscription in good faith as long as O&A are back on June 16th. If not, then I will cancel."

That directive is more about concerned consumers rather than free speech. You're not getting what you paid for. Again, misguided, but I understand where the PAC is coming from.

I'm not trying to give people "leadership"... I was trying to outline all of the ideas that I've had since this whole mess started and focus them into one post so I could refer back to them if needed. I'm not trying to start flamewars with people (a surprising change from me) because I believe people need to do what they need to do. I'm having dialogues with people.

[Tenbatsuzen]

those are squirrels, Pavlov's analogy was rats. genius.

Pavlov was dogs. And a bell.

[moochcassidy]

Pavlov was dogs. And a bell.

read a book. his observations on animal behaviour and conditioning popularised the saying 'like rats fighting over a piece of cheese'

[Tenbatsuzen]

read a book. his observations on animal behaviour popularised the saying like 'rats fighting over a piece of cheese'

*shrug* - didn't understand what Moe was going for with the picture, but his most famous observation was with a dog.

[moochcassidy]

"first directive of the group"?

Mooch, the entire idealogy behind being anti-censorship is the free exchange of ideas, even if they are different from your own.

Free speech means free will and free choice, even if it's unpopular. If you're saying that I don't believe in free speech because I'm not cancelling my subscription, then that goes "against what the PAC stands for in the first place. MY freedom of speech is saying to XM, "I understand you had to do what you had to do. I will continue my subscription in good faith as long as O&A are back on June 16th. If not, then I will cancel."

That directive is more about concerned consumers rather than free speech. You're not getting what you paid for. Again, misguided, but I understand where the PAC is coming from.

I'm not trying to give people "leadership"... I was trying to outline all of the ideas that I've had since this whole mess started and focus them into one post so I could refer back to them if needed. I'm not trying to start flamewars with people (a surprising change from me) because I believe people need to do what they need to do. I'm having dialogues with people.

this has little or nothing to do with freedom of speech for me. As a member of a pressure group trying to influence a dispute over the suspension which I, as a customer, am dissatisfied with, i am determined to follow the directions of its leadership as far as i can.

did you misunderstand the 'first directive of the group' bit?..i'll post it here because i know your not really 'read up' on this situation yet

"Here is a list of things you can do to help O&A in their time of need. Please do all of these things, then do them again, then find away to get 100 other people to do them!!!!!!!!!!

1. CANCEL YOUR XM SUBSCRIPTION!!!! IF YOU CANCEL, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU NOT TAKE THE 30 FREE DAYS OR THE 3 FREE MONTHS. YOU ARE NOT MAKING ANY STATEMENT AT ALL IF TAKE THE 30 DAYS."

[Death Metal Moe]

*shrug* - didn't understand what Moe was going for with the picture, but his most famous observation was with a dog.

I was just breaking it up.

No matter what you do with your XM sub, little critters will always love pizza, as do I.

[Death Metal Moe]

And I got XM for Ron and Fez. I still have Ron and Fez on XM so I'm not getting rid of XM just yet.

If they actually fired O&A then that will be a different set of circumstances, but XM will probably still have Ron and Fez.

We're kinda fucked at this point.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Here's the crux of the problem, one I don't understand.

Why did everyone cancel when O&A were suspended, and didn't wait until they were fired? That didn't make any sense to me.

Wouldn't you wait until there was something real, something legitimate that O&A weren't coming back until you make your grand statement?

IMHO, there would be no way XM would end the suspension early because it would make them look weak to the pests AND to O&A.

I also think that O&A, when they come back to XM, won't really talk about the issue that much, and the PAC will probably get a fleeting measure of gratitude, but nowhere near the tsunami of validation that a bunch of them will think they are entitled to.

And if you "save" O&A's job... do you go back to XM?

[Tenbatsuzen]

this has little or nothing to do with freedom of speech for me. As a member of a pressure group trying to influence a dispute over the suspension which I, as a customer, am dissatisfied with, i am determined to follow the directions of its leadership as far as i can.

did you misunderstand the 'first directive of the group' bit?..i'll post it here because i know your not really 'read up' on this situation yet

"Here is a list of things you can do to help O&A in their time of need. Please do all of these things, then do them again, then find away to get 100 other people to do them!!!!!!!!!!

1. CANCEL YOUR XM SUBSCRIPTION!!!! IF YOU CANCEL, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU NOT TAKE THE 30 FREE DAYS OR THE 3 FREE MONTHS. YOU ARE NOT MAKING ANY STATEMENT AT ALL IF TAKE THE 30 DAYS."

Actually, I am "read up" on this situation. And I don't disagree with the suspension. I don't agree with it either, though.

I think it's a bit longer than needed, but seeing the big picture, it was a necessary evil.

I don't "misunderstand" the group. I just don't agree with it. I don't see a need to cancel - yet - and I don't see O&A in "a time of need" as they still have a job. With both XM and CBS.

[AKA]

I am all for supporting fellow R&F fans who feel the the best call of action is to let XM feel it in the pocketbook, but a week has past and my patience is wearing very thin on those who will hypocritically lecture Matty on being divisive, but then turn and do the "your with us or against us" line on Stugots.

The relationship between R&F and their fans is unique in all media ("We don't have fans, we have friends"). People coming on a Ron and Fez messageboard (or other messagboards) and bleeting about how we should drop our subs might as easily get pissed at Ron and Fez themselves for not stepping down for 30 days in a show of solidarity - and I'm sure there are some out there who do feel that way. Who knows; maybe it's something they would want to do to. But they haven't, and it doesn't look like they will.

I do not take the Ron and Fez Show for granted - I am thankful for every moment they are on. Unless they wish otherwise, I am going to show my support by supporting their employers and sponsors. At the same time, I can also wish the PAC well.

[moochcassidy]

Here's the crux of the problem, one I don't understand.

Why did everyone cancel when O&A were suspended, and didn't wait until they were fired? That didn't make any sense to me.

Wouldn't you wait until there was something real, something legitimate that O&A weren't coming back until you make your grand statement?

IMHO, there would be no way XM would end the suspension early because it would make them look weak to the pests AND to O&A.


I also think that O&A, when they come back to XM, won't really talk about the issue that much, and the PAC will probably get a fleeting measure of gratitude, but nowhere near the tsunami of validation that a bunch of them will think they are entitled to.

And if you "save" O&A's job... do you go back to XM?

Why did everyone cancel when O&A were suspended (http://peopleagainstcensorship.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57&Itemid=47)


if thats too long winded. pat from moonachie, an average joe, expressed it more effectively than i can...

"The canceling of subs NOW isn't to punish XM for firing O&A, it's to get XM to NOT fire them in the first place with the loudest possible voice AND to not fuck with the talent over content. (in this "Post-Imus" world! )... no one's saying to cancel forever but I think not having XM for a month or two is a small price to pay to keep O&A...i'd do the same thing for R&F!"

answer to your last question - YES

[Tenbatsuzen]

And Mooch, I hold no ill will towards you. Your passion is remarkable, and your opinion is respected.

[AKA]

And Mooch, I hold no ill will towards you. Your passion is remarkable, and your opinion is respected.

Quoted for truth.

[sailor]

And Mooch, I hold no ill will towards you. Your passion is remarkable, and your opinion is respected.

i think he's a dirty drunk. then again, i think that's a good thing.

[nightnight]

my sub officially died yesterday, I cancelled on the 15th but after repeated calls they never actually stopped my service to give me a credit on my remaining days.

now i turn it on this morning and i have 9 channels (plus ID and Emergency). guess this is to keep the numbers looking good for the investors meeting this week.

i am getting weak, I want to hear R&F this afternoon. I can't stand listening to this Top 20 crap, it makes my day a lot longer.

[Tenbatsuzen]

From what I remember, before this latest incident, O&A were nearly fired for three things.

1) A show they were told not to talk about - "The Show That Never Happened". In fact, they have only related back it in passing mentions, but never delved deeply into the material other than "Ralphie saving the show".

2) An intern they mocked on the air that they were told not to talk about - Noah.

3) An Attack on the Media that they immediately disavowed and stopped the contest cold.

So like it or not, XM does have creative control over the content of the show, and they were entirely justified in what they did in the wake of the Don Imus mess. This was just magnified because of what happened to Imus. The show's passion and what XM wanted (for this to go away) ran head first into each other.

[moochcassidy]

I am all for supporting fellow R&F fans who feel the the best call of action is to let XM feel it in the pocketbook, but a week has past and my patience is wearing very thin on those who will hypocritically lecture Matty on being divisive, but then turn and

The relationship between R&F and their fans is unique in all media ("We don't have fans, we have friends"). People coming on a Ron and Fez messageboard (or other messagboards) and bleeting about how we should drop our subs might as easily get pissed at Ron and Fez themselves for not stepping down for 30 days in a show of solidarity - and I'm sure there are some out there who do feel that way. Who knows; maybe it's something they would want to do to. But they haven't, and it doesn't look like they will.

I do not take the Ron and Fez Show for granted - I am thankful for every moment they are on. Unless they wish otherwise, I am going to show my support by supporting their employers and sponsors. At the same time, I can also wish the PAC well.

" do the "your with us or against us" line on Stugots. "

i didnt use that 'line'.

no one has criticed ron and fez for not boycotting XM, its not an issue in the strategy of the PAC. if anyone did attack the buddays for this i would take issue with that. ron and fez are openly showing their solidarity with the movement--far more than anyone hoped to be honest

you may not like what im saying but this is the only forum where we can have an open dialogue about this since XM has put a hush order on the show.

cancel/dont cancel- i dont give a shit. but im gonna keep 'bleeting' where and when want within the rules of the board.

this boycotts going nowhere until O&A are back. if they suspend them again..ill cancel again. if they suspend R&F, i have no doubt in my mind PESTS would be falling over themselves to cancel.

[nightnight]

just called in to see if they would charge me IF i re-activated. they mentioned there would be a charge but as soon as she noticed the O&A cancellation note on my account she said the fee would be waived.

also if any of these customer service reps try and charge activation just let them know its not worth it to you. i have never paid for xm activation and i have always done it on the phone, now my gym membership activations are a different story....fucking gyms.

[nightnight]

when ron mentioned he was ashamed of (caller name i forget) for not joining the mass exodus. i was amazed he said one word about the situation, immediately got scared thinking something would happen to them.

[moochcassidy]

i think he's a dirty drunk. then again, i think that's a good thing.

:smoke:

mate, i ASSURE you i would not be letting this shit get to me as much if i could drink this week.

fez going back in to hospital angered me more than i can describe to yous.

to think that these FUCKING CUNTRAGS AT XM have contributed to him feeling bad and putting him back in that fuckin place makes me sick to my stomach...its really getting to me- ill be honest.

i swear i'll never forgive XM for this move. i know im all over the place on this topic. im aware im gonna come out of this looking like an asshole. but its fuckin with my head big style.

[sailor]

:smoke:

mate, i ASSURE you i would not be letting this shit get to me as much if i could drink this week.

fez going back in to hospital angered me more than i can describe to yous.

to think that these FUCKING CUNTRAGS AT XM have contributed to him feeling bad and putting him back in that fuckin place makes me sick to my stomach...its really getting to me- ill be honest.

i swear i'll never forgive XM for this move. i know im all over the place on this topic. im aware im gonna come out of this looking like an asshole. but its fuckin with my head big style.
i can't imagine anyone would think that. you've got passion for what you believe in. it's a good thing.

[GregFromBuffalo]

I just tell them that I just won't activate it...they then say that since I've been a loyal customer, of course they will waive the fee...It works everytime.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

looks like it sucks to be an XM Customer Service Minion Now, credit re activation, seems like a drag of a Job

:king:

[Gvac]

For someone who's on the road for 10 hours a day you have absolutely no idea how much I miss XM, let alone Ron and Fez.

I actually looked at Sirius radios today, but they're eventually going to be one Evil Empire so I decided against it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

For someone who's on the road for 10 hours a day you have absolutely no idea how much I miss XM, let alone Ron and Fez.

I actually looked at Sirius radios today, but they're eventually going to be one Evil Empire so I decided against it.

Are you.... inconsolable?

[moochcassidy]

O&A FANS BACKLASH- 'PAC' MOBILIZES THOUSANDS TO BOYCOTT XM

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[Mute ur Mic]

It is bullshit too some degree . I spend about 30 hours a week in my car, which was fine when i had some different stuff to listen too but now that R & F are on 24 hours it gets a little slow after the 5th replay for the day. Don't get me wrong, i love Ron and Fez, but earls shit gets kinda old when i have heard it for the 6th time today. Cancellation is a bit extreme for this, but i no longer hold XM iin a higher regard when compared FM/AM.

Are they playing "best of's" of R&F? Sometimes i catch parts that i don't recognize from they're most recent show.

[sailor]

It is bullshit too some degree . I spend about 30 hours a week in my car, which was fine when i had some different stuff to listen too but now that R & F are on 24 hours it gets a little slow after the 5th replay for the day. Don't get me wrong, i love Ron and Fez, but earls shit gets kinda old when i have heard it for the 6th time today. Cancellation is a bit extreme for this, but i no longer hold XM iin a higher regard when compared FM/AM.

Are they playing "best of's" of R&F? Sometimes i catch parts that i don't recognize from they're most recent show.

yes, they're alternating in a show of best ofs and the current day's replay show.