Was it wrong to say O&A are fired?

[MikeB]

I was reading Fez's favorite board and there is a lengthy discussion that is centered around lil jimmy saying on stage that O&A are going to be back the 15th and what position that puts the likes of NFP, FBA, and Wackbag whom all were reporting that they were fired. Once it was reported, supposedly, thousands of pests canceled their subscriptions and broke their radios. Over at .net they are saying Melinda was the one that started all this by telling NFP, HTG (I believe), and all the websites that they were fired. .Net are saying Melinda sent this knowing full well that O&A were not fired and was just using the pests to get them riled up.
The sites have now removed the O&A Fired threads. My question, was this wrong for the parties involve to lie that Opie and Anthony were fired. Cause clearly someone lied otherwise we would be hearing that they were rehired.

[JPMNICK]

wow if that is true that is crazy news. I thought if anything they thought they were fired. knowing it was said just to get people riled up is a ballsy move on her part.

well everyone knew this was a possibility, so i am assuming all the pests will just reactivate the XM subs when O&A come back.

and all the pests should have known that unless it was put out in a press release or unless O&A actually said it, no one should have said for sure they were fired.

[sailor]

i didn't like the fact that NFP and other insiders were saying they had insider firing info. knowing it came from melinda is making me like it even less...IF TRUE.

[Don Stugots]

Unless O&A posted it themselves no one should have bought into it. I live in a Post Vince Macmahon world and didnt believe that Owen Hart was dead for 2 days. Smarten up people. All that did was create panic and outrage. Canceling you subs is one thing and was/is a great way to voice your opinions but burning, crushing or shooting something that you own to then have to spend money on to replace is silly.

[sailor]

Unless O&A posted it themselves no one should have bought into it. I live in a Post Vince Macmahon world and didnt believe that Owen Hart was dead for 2 days. Smarten up people. All that did was create panic and outrage. Canceling you subs is one thing and was/is a great way to voice your opinions but burning, crushing or shooting something that you own to then have to spend money on to replace is silly.

i assume 98% of the folks who destroyed receivers did it to older receivers of theirs. as for not believing anyone, the info was coming from an insider who actually works for one of the show members (norton). it would be like mikeyboy posting on here that he heard from a source close to ron/fez that they were fired. you'd have to give him some credence. not to say that mikeyboy and NFP are in any way alike, but they're each rather close to one of the 202 shows.

[Bob Impact]

This is news?

[Don Stugots]

i assume 98% of the folks who destroyed receivers did it to older receivers of theirs. as for not believing anyone, the info was coming from an insider who actually works for one of the show members (norton). it would be like mikeyboy posting on here that he heard from a source close to ron/fez that they were fired. you'd have to give him some credence. not to say that mikeyboy and NFP are in any way alike, but they're each rather close to one of the 202 shows.

at the same time, Mikeyboy would never post something that he wasnt 100% sure of. I know NFP might have thought it was 100% but unless it comes out of O&A's mouth, it is not true yet.

[sailor]

at the same time, Mikeyboy would never post something that he wasnt 100% sure of. I know NFP might have thought it was 100% but unless it comes out of O&A's mouth, it is not true yet.

again, to keep it even, it would have been mikeyboy hearing it from ron's chick. again, IF TRUE, melinda has lost a lot of credibility here.

[Nothing Sound]

I never canceled and never intended to cancel.
Fired or not.

[SPeeDy_Freak]

I am a proud, long-time member of .net and I will state that no one was buying the "fired" rumors. I for one kept stating the real reason for the suspension was not for the initial comments but the way they acted in the shows following the apology they gave.

It was questioned from the very beginning while the other sites you mentioned got ll hot and bothered and started screaming for cancellations.

I still am not sure where this rumor came from. Yes, Melinda's name was mentioned as a possible source but no source was revealed.

Whomever the source is, there is no reason to spread a false story about them being fired.

[mikeyboy]

Lets remember that it is all speculation as to what happened behind the scenes. We have no idea who the source or sources were for the "firing" informations, so do not point fingers at people because we do not know who is responsible or the circumstances behind the statements made.

[sailor]

Lets remember that it is all speculation as to what happened behind the scenes. We have no idea who the source or sources were for the "firing" informations, so do not point fingers at people because we do not know who is responsible or the circumstances behind the statements made.

that's why i twice threw out the "IF TRUE" :)

[K.C.]

I was reading Fez's favorite board and there is a lengthy discussion that is centered around lil jimmy saying on stage that O&A are going to be back the 15th and what position that puts the likes of NFP, FBA, and Wackbag whom all were reporting that they were fired. Once it was reported, supposedly, thousands of pests canceled their subscriptions and broke their radios. Over at .net they are saying Melinda was the one that started all this by telling NFP, HTG (I believe), and all the websites that they were fired. .Net are saying Melinda sent this knowing full well that O&A were not fired and was just using the pests to get them riled up.
The sites have now removed the O&A Fired threads. My question, was this wrong for the parties involve to lie that Opie and Anthony were fired. Cause clearly someone lied otherwise we would be hearing that they were rehired.


That's something they can ponder while they're installing their new receivers.

Keep in mind that there was never the slightest hint or suggestion news-wise they were going to be fired...hell, XM's been running the "Opie & Anthony return June 15th" promo for at least two weeks now.

If they were planning a demonstration, they should have waited for official word instead of relying on a 'source.'

[ScottFromGA]

I was reading Fez's favorite board and there is a lengthy discussion that is centered around lil jimmy saying on stage that O&A are going to be back the 15th and what position that puts the likes of NFP, FBA, and Wackbag whom all were reporting that they were fired. Once it was reported, supposedly, thousands of pests canceled their subscriptions and broke their radios. Over at .net they are saying Melinda was the one that started all this by telling NFP, HTG (I believe), and all the websites that they were fired. .Net are saying Melinda sent this knowing full well that O&A were not fired and was just using the pests to get them riled up.
The sites have now removed the O&A Fired threads. My question, was this wrong for the parties involve to lie that Opie and Anthony were fired. Cause clearly someone lied otherwise we would be hearing that they were rehired.

thats been my biggest argument on Wackbag.....Who has FACT that they were fired? Who on this board (Wackbag) is credible enough? I dont hear Zagman on O&A's show, much like a Mikeyboy and hearing the name JustJon out of the hosts mouth all the time like on Ron and Fez, so how can I believe that he is a credible source or has those verified sources?

Brother Elmo posted about his OWN personal feelings and it sent that board into a shit crazy frenzy.......if Elmo said it, its gotta be true....I was given the link to his post numerous times, and everytime I said, "He said himself, its his own personal feelings and he's speaking on behalf of no one." But, people seen Elmo....so they automatically took it as fact and ran from there.

Voicing the opinions to XM on how they feel about the suspension is great. But, the reason they was fighting was wrong. Censorship was not the reason they were put on the bench. They crossed a line when they pissed off THEIR boss.....they was told to not talk about it and they felt they was above it all...so they did and got a slap on the wrists. ANY boss would do that to any employee....so what makes them anymore better than employees such as me or anyone on any board. Just cause they are on the radio? No...I dont think so.

I'm not bashing the other boards or anything, (before I get that speech), I'm just saying that all this hoopla over this past month was really not needed. We was told they would be back on June 15th...and XM has never lied and done things to the subscribers that really made us think they would be lying. Plus, why would they run disclaimers that say "Hey, they'll be back on June 15th" and then fire them right before they come on? XM has so much more to lose than a FreeFM (at the time) or a ClearChannel......

plus, think about it...XM is gonna benefit so much from this. When O&A return, new units are gonna be bought for the idiots that smashed theirs out of stupidity (IMO), new subscribers cause people are gonna be signing back up in a frenzy, and newer customers will be brought in cause of this to hear what they are gonna say next.

XM knew this, if you ask me.....they weathered the storm, and when it passes......clear seas straight to the merger. The Pest realize that signing back up on June 15th will help XM use those new subs for the month of June, so now they are trying to get everyone to sign back up in July.....if XM can't use them for June, then they will take that beating, and use the new subs for July....XM wins either way!

I just wish everyone would have waited till June 15th to make their decisions....it was a knee-jerk reaction to a lie, basically. The one thing I'm worried about with the channel is that all these sponsors pulling advertising now cause of all the e-mails requesting they stop supporting XM, who is gonna put their money into the show? That money they had might have went to the new studio....new equipment....all kinda new, cool things. We can't say that the money dont go to that, Who here works for XM and knows where the money goes?

I feel all this hurt them more so than helped them....and in turn, it hurt Ron and Fez as well.

My one huge question to all of this is.....

On June 15th and O&A are back on the air and things are fine.........Who here is gonna continue the fight?

I bet 75% of people that were supporting Free Speech, will no longer speak of it and move along cause O&A are back.


I wanna clarify why I use Zagman's name....I only read Wackbag and RonFez.net.....I seen it on Wackbag and his name was who posted it.

[Midkiff]

crazy shit

[MadBiker]

Voicing the opinions to XM on how they feel about the suspension is great. But, the reason they was fighting was wrong. Censorship was not the reason they were put on the bench. They crossed a line when they pissed off THEIR boss.....they was told to not talk about it and they felt they was above it all...so they did and got a slap on the wrists. ANY boss would do that to any employee....so what makes them anymore better than employees such as me or anyone on any board. Just cause they are on the radio? No...I dont think so.

...

I just wish everyone would have waited till June 15th to make their decisions....it was a knee-jerk reaction to a lie, basically. The one thing I'm worried about with the channel is that all these sponsors pulling advertising now cause of all the e-mails requesting they stop supporting XM, who is gonna put their money into the show? That money they had might have went to the new studio....new equipment....all kinda new, cool things. We can't say that the money dont go to that, Who here works for XM and knows where the money goes?

...

On June 15th and O&A are back on the air and things are fine.........Who here is gonna continue the fight?

I bet 75% of people that were supporting Free Speech, will no longer speak of it and move along cause O&A are back.

for a hayseed, Scott, you have a decent command of the English language, even if your grammar sucks :)

I tend to agree with you that this is not an issue of censorship so much as it is an issue of an employee or employees (O&A) going directly against the wishes of their superiors, and in a domain that reaches more than just other employees of the company (us, the XM subscribers).

I have a personal, long-term and seriously vested interest in the issue of free speech, not just in entertainment but in terms of politics and criticism of government and policy. The genesis of the First Amendment was a desire to provide a blanket of protection for citizens to speak out against their government if the citizenry had a gripe about it. The residents of the colonies did not have this freedom and in some cases were imprisoned or summarily executed for daring to speak out against the government of King George.

250 years is enough time for us to forget some of the fundamental reasons behind the First Amendment. I will continue to advocate against censorship, because once applied to entertainment it quickly bleeds into other areas of life. Books can be banned and people can feel fear to gather and protest government and I fear living in a place where that might happen if we let down the guard we have on our liberties.

To your point about apathy, that is actually the biggest fight that must be faced. The current situation we have is a fine example of what can happen when people are pissed off enough to mobilize and be heard, but it will all be just an historical vignette a few months from now, a nice story to tell about how "I joined PAC and ...." what, exactly? What will be accomplished? Much, I hope, but without the continued energy of people working even in small ways to keep the momentum going, the movement will fizzle out. Sad but true. I hope it does not, but life has a way of happening, and people go back to their kids, their jobs, their toys, joys, and sorrows because they are more important. In reality, yes, life is more important, but what kind of life will it ultimately be if you slowly slip under the boot of those who would silence you?

[Don Stugots]

that's why i twice threw out the "IF TRUE" :)

for me the whole thing is a "what if....". i thought that was a given.

[ScottFromGA]

for a hayseed, Scott, you have a decent command of the English language, even if your grammar sucks


Thats like telling someone they are ugly as hell but have great teeth....:happy:

[Tenbatsuzen]

You have no idea how incredibly validated I feel right now.

[Don Stugots]

You have no idea how incredibly validated I feel right now.

being a self made happily married man didnt do that for you?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Im a Wait and See guy, so Ill follow my gimmick and wait to see what happens

:king:

[Tenbatsuzen]

being a self made happily married man didnt do that for you?

Yeah, but when I got married, I didn't have half the board ganging up on me, telling me I was wrong and I was being an ass because I was pointing out the facts of the matter instead of the popular opinion.

[torker]

your still an ass

[Don Stugots]

Yeah, but when I got married, I didn't have half the board ganging up on me, telling me I was wrong and I was being an ass because I was pointing out the facts of the matter instead of the popular opinion.

i agreed with you but dont have that same feeling. in the end would it really matter to you what half the board thinks? i am not arguing with you, i am being as nice as possible, so please dont take it the wrong way.

[burrben]

who's o & a?

[Tenbatsuzen]

i agreed with you but dont have that same feeling. in the end would it really matter to you what half the board thinks? i am not arguing with you, i am being as nice as possible, so please dont take it the wrong way.

I'm not taking it the wrong way. I've had my sanity, my personal life, my employment history, and my opinions (which makes people who were pumping up the PAC - not all of them, just the people who were going off on me - hypocrites) insulted and called into question because I went against the popular opinion.

That's what you face when you walk the line like that, but if you make it through and it turns out you were right, it makes the rewards that much sweeter.

When O&A return on June 15th, my validation will be complete and we'll start the Matty Fridays Victory Tour.

[reillyluck]

I think its rediculous to assume anything until ALL the facts have been put on the table. There was NO confirmation that they were fired. No disrespect to NFP, but I refuse to buy into something that him or anyone else that was "given inside information". Until i hear it from XM or O&A themselves, its not valid in my eyes.

its one thing to cancel your subscription, but to break your equipment is beyond me. Sell it, Stupid!!!! Then donate your money to People against censorship to help fight the fight!

it sucks for those fans because once O&A do come back, all that New equipment will have to be purchased AGAIN. Uggh.

[Tenbatsuzen]

it sucks for those fans because once O&A do come back, all that New equipment will have to be purchased AGAIN. Uggh.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Besides, the video of Maveric punching his MyFi = GOLD!

Plus, a lot of the radios broken were Roadys... which you can buy on EBay for like 10 bucks now.

[ScottFromGA]

I think its rediculous to assume anything until ALL the facts have been put on the table. There was NO confirmation that they were fired. No disrespect to NFP, but I refuse to buy into something that him or anyone else that was "given inside information". Until i hear it from XM or O&A themselves, its not valid in my eyes.

its one thing to cancel your subscription, but to break your equipment is beyond me. Sell it, Stupid!!!! Then donate your money to People against censorship to help fight the fight!

it sucks for those fans because once O&A do come back, all that New equipment will have to be purchased AGAIN. Uggh.


http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/SCOTTFROMGA/Flockpic1.jpg

just sayin....

[Iamnotatool]

I'm not taking it the wrong way. I've had my sanity, my personal life, my employment history, and my opinions (which makes people who were pumping up the PAC - not all of them, just the people who were going off on me - hypocrites) insulted and called into question because I went against the popular opinion.

That's what you face when you walk the line like that, but if you make it through and it turns out you were right, it makes the rewards that much sweeter.

When O&A return on June 15th, my validation will be complete and we'll start the Matty Fridays Victory Tour.

You pompous clown. I actually like Tenbats posts usually, but that one is a fucking joke. You MARTYR!

Talk about putting yourself over?!?!

I kept waiting for the punch line...you poor poor thing.

Tenbats = Jesus Christ (In his own mind)

[moochcassidy]

What does this little conspiracy theory hope to achieve?

i think most people knew that it was a cynical move from a silenced O&A, through their friends, family and show insiders, to get the desired reaction from the fans.

am i supposed to be outraged or somethin?

[crb1]

I'm not taking it the wrong way. I've had my sanity, my personal life, my employment history, and my opinions (which makes people who were pumping up the PAC - not all of them, just the people who were going off on me - hypocrites) insulted and called into question because I went against the popular opinion.

That's what you face when you walk the line like that, but if you make it through and it turns out you were right, it makes the rewards that much sweeter.

When O&A return on June 15th, my validation will be complete and we'll start the Matty Fridays Victory Tour.

Start working out now, since that cross will start getting really heavy by the third city.

edit: Damn! Beaten to the JC reference by Iamnotatool.

[ScottFromGA]

What does this little conspiracy theory hope to achieve?

i think most people knew that it was a cynical move from a silenced O&A, through their friends, family and show insiders, to get the desired reaction from the fans.

am i supposed to be outraged or somethin?

i dont think anyone should be outraged....people (should) act on their own free will....if they crushed their units due to misinformation, then its their own fault.

i'm still trying to figure out what the motive was to smashing their units?

[Tenbatsuzen]

You pompous clown. I actually like Tenbats posts usually, but that one is a fucking joke. You MARTYR!

Talk about putting yourself over?!?!

I kept waiting for the punch line...you poor poor thing.

Tenbats = Jesus Christ (In his own mind)


I don't need all of you to believe in me.








Just 12.

[Tenbatsuzen]

What does this little conspiracy theory hope to achieve?

i think most people knew that it was a cynical move from a silenced O&A, through their friends, family and show insiders, to get the desired reaction from the fans.

am i supposed to be outraged or somethin?

The conspiracy is that since XM doesn't have any up-to-date hard number documentation about O&A's fan base that could be used as a filing in the merger, the rapid number of cancellations and then people re-subscribing can be noted and used to protect O&A's job as a valuable asset during the merger.

[AKA]

This is news?

QFT

[moochcassidy]

any assumptions that XM will actually profit out of this is to not take into account the large number of fans who will NEVER trade with the company again.

O&A fans loyalty lies with the boys, not the station..which was proved by the boycott. a shitload of people feel cheated by the decision and intend to steal the service via other outlets, regardless of events on the 15th.

theres about 50 recorded smashing of units, so we're talking about a few hundred dollars worth of used equipment. it was the public gesture, which was picked up by a large number of media outlets, that was important and cost XM more than a few thousand in bad press.

[ScottFromGA]

any assumptions that XM will actually profit out of this is to not take into account the large number of fans who will NEVER trade with the company again.

O&A fans loyalty lies with the boys, not the station..which was proved by the boycott. a shitload of people feel cheated by the decision and intend to steal the service via other outlets, regardless of events on the 15th.

theres about 50 recorded smashing of units, so we're talking about a few hundred dollars worth of used equipment. it was the public gesture, which was picked up by a large number of media outlets, that was important and cost XM more than a few thousand in bad press.


I just wonder if you ask the owners of those smashed units if they missed XM, I wonder how many will say yes and how many will say no.

[AKA]

The banner to support the PAC on the front of Wackbag still says that O&A WILL BE FIRED.

The original "O&A ARE FIRED" thread is still there, but the original message has been wiped clean.

http://www.alvaradopubliclibrary.org/images/Photos/JCPOSR/midway.gif

The real conspiracy is from register.com or godaddy.com who must be loving all the sheep gobbling up website addresses specific to this:

cancelxm.com & xmclassaction.com

[Tenbatsuzen]

any assumptions that XM will actually profit out of this is to not take into account the large number of fans who will NEVER trade with the company again.

O&A fans loyalty lies with the boys, not the station..which was proved by the boycott. a shitload of people feel cheated by the decision and intend to steal the service via other outlets, regardless of events on the 15th.



Mooch, what were they cheated out of? If you called XM to express your displeasure over the suspension, you got a credit for up to six months. If you cancelled, you got nothing, and you still have to pay when you re-sub. That's being cheated, but that's the sacrifice you make for your beliefs.

XM is not going to profit... not by a long shot with all these credits that people DID accept. The conspiracy is that this was a PR stunt to protect O&A's job after the merger.

[ScottFromGA]

Mooch, what were they cheated out of? If you called XM to express your displeasure over the suspension, you got a credit for up to six months. If you cancelled, you got nothing, and you still have to pay when you re-sub. That's being cheated, but that's the sacrifice you make for your beliefs.

XM is not going to profit... not by a long shot with all these credits that people DID accept. The conspiracy is that this was a PR stunt to protect O&A's job after the merger.

DING DING DING DING, WINNER!!!!

[moochcassidy]

The conspiracy is that since XM doesn't have any up-to-date hard number documentation about O&A's fan base that could be used as a filing in the merger, the rapid number of cancellations and then people re-subscribing can be noted and used to protect O&A's job as a valuable asset during the merger.

nice try.

take 'validation' wherever you can... if thats what this has all been about for you.

ive said my piece on all this.

p.s matthew dont send me kiss ass PM's and then attempt to drag me back into a slanging match when some prick hiding behind 'some people are saying' and 'this board thinks' comes in to stir shit.

its creepy

[Tenbatsuzen]

Mooch -

I'm not trying to start a fight with you... I was just explaining what the conspiracy was. we're still cool, no worries.

and I was being a smart-ass for the sake of being a smart-ass.

[Recyclerz]

http://www.booksamillion.com/bam/covers/0/51/788/433/051788433X.jpg

[underdog]

O&A FIRED! is still at the top of the stickies on Wackbag.

I've always thought it was very misleading. They are using misinformation to try to get people to get behind their cause.

[AKA]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/lolmitten.jpg

[ScottFromGA]

has a good thread ever morphed into a cat picture posting thread?

[JustJon]

The banner to support the PAC on the front of Wackbag still says that O&A WILL BE FIRED.


I like our PAC banner better.

http://www.ronfez.net/adserver/adimage.php?filename=pac468x60.gif&contenttype=gif

[Goatweed]

XM never said they were fired, on the day the suspension was announced they said they'd be back in 30 days - the "firing" came from speculation since, typically in radio, when a show gets suspended they get fired soon after (see Imus, JV&E as recent exaples) so it seems there was a kneejerk reaction by some people to assume a firing was on its way - said people allegedly got the message out to the boards, and the rest is history.

Anyone cancelling a sub based on the posts on a message board deserve to get a PWNED tattoo on their forehead, especially since no official word ever came from the show or XM about a firing. In fact, the show hasn't said ANYTHING because they were probably told not to, or this time they would be fired - especially since the got suspended for not shutting up in the first place.

I had no intention of cancelling since I love Ron & Fez way too much to make a statement that would fall on deaf ears, and I wouldn't want to end up being mocked as a sig pic ;)

[JustJon]

(see Imus, JV&E as recent exaples)

Were JV and Elvis ever officially fired before the station flipped?

[Goatweed]

Were JV and Elvis ever officially fired before the station flipped?

yep, via a press release as I recall.

[mikeyboy]

Were JV and Elvis ever officially fired before the station flipped?

Yes. They were fired the Friday before the PAC Union Square demonstration.

[JustJon]

Ok, blanked on the firing.

[Goatweed]

Ok, blanked on the firing.

no worries, most people blanked when they were on the air.

[torker]

DOGHOUSE!!!!

Is it okay to yell 'O&A are fired' in a crowded theater?

[Goatweed]

DOGHOUSE!!!!

Is it okay to yell 'O&A are fired' in a crowded theater?

only if you stomp on your Myfi while doing so.

[Tenbatsuzen]

XM never said they were fired, on the day the suspension was announced they said they'd be back in 30 days - the "firing" came from speculation since, typically in radio, when a show gets suspended they get fired soon after (see Imus, JV&E as recent exaples) so it seems there was a kneejerk reaction by some people to assume a firing was on its way - said people allegedly got the message out to the boards, and the rest is history.

Anyone cancelling a sub based on the posts on a message board deserve to get a PWNED tattoo on their forehead, especially since no official word ever came from the show or XM about a firing. In fact, the show hasn't said ANYTHING because they were probably told not to, or this time they would be fired - especially since the got suspended for not shutting up in the first place.

I had no intention of cancelling since I love Ron & Fez way too much to make a statement that would fall on deaf ears, and I wouldn't want to end up being mocked as a sig pic ;)


Goatweed rules.

Also, I have a feeling that the JV & Elvis firing came when the brass already knew that the format flip was imminent. They didn't fire JV&Elvis and then suddenly decide to flip the format 10 days later. Remember, it took six months to flip WNEW. This was coming awhile ago. I just don't get why they didn't wait the 10 days. Probably didn't want the bad press from JV & Elvis latching on the format flip.

[Bob Impact]

Sometimes I wonder if we all think about this a lot more than the management ever does.

[Death Metal Moe]

I'm very glad I didn't buy into the knee jerk reaction of canceling before I got all the facts in.

[SPeeDy_Freak]

XM never said they were fired, on the day the suspension was announced they said they'd be back in 30 days - the "firing" came from speculation since, typically in radio, when a show gets suspended they get fired soon after (see Imus, JV&E as recent exaples) so it seems there was a kneejerk reaction by some people to assume a firing was on its way - said people allegedly got the message out to the boards, and the rest is history.

Anyone cancelling a sub based on the posts on a message board deserve to get a PWNED tattoo on their forehead, especially since no official word ever came from the show or XM about a firing. In fact, the show hasn't said ANYTHING because they were probably told not to, or this time they would be fired - especially since the got suspended for not shutting up in the first place.

I had no intention of cancelling since I love Ron & Fez way too much to make a statement that would fall on deaf ears, and I wouldn't want to end up being mocked as a sig pic ;)

Perfectly articulated.

[angrymissy]

I said it from the beginning - I'm not believing the firing rumors unless it comes directly from O&A or XM.

Now, if they come back on the 15th, will people say it is because the suspension is over, or because everyone canceled and broke their radios, thus convincing XM to not fire them?

I don't think they were ever "fired" in the first place.

I think it was irresponsible for an admin of a fan website to post they are fired, unless it is FACT.

[JPMNICK]

it almost sounds like the firing rumors were started by the O&A camp to get PESTS riled up to show XM how many fans they really have.

[SPeeDy_Freak]

I said it from the beginning - I'm not believing the firing rumors unless it comes directly from O&A or XM.

Now, if they come back on the 15th, will people say it is because the suspension is over, or because everyone canceled and broke their radios, thus convincing XM to not fire them?

I don't think they were ever "fired" in the first place.

I think it was irresponsible for an admin of a fan website to post they are fired, unless it is FACT.

I totally agree with what you are saying. They were never fired and "re-hired" after the O&A fan outrage/cancellations. The reason why everything has been in "silent running" mode is because XM wanted the initial apology to be delivered and then there be no future reference of the subject (remember the underage girl that got drunk in studio a couple of years ago? They were told to keep their mouth shut and did.). Because they decided to not shut up they were suspended... again with the implicit instructions to stay quiet.

Not that the fans have to be 100% informed but lack of direct information leads to this mis-informed specualtion and the chaos that stems from it.

I really could care less who started it. I refused to buy into it and will continue to do so in the future.

[ScottFromGA]

thats why I enjoy posting on this board more....at ________ , they have a thread on who has cancelled and who is a "fencesitter". If your a fencesitter....you are either told to die, die of cancer, get hit by a bus, or let lil Jimmy fuck you in the ass with his AIDS dick.


i like people who think on their own free will.

another question, is 202 any better or any worse if they can't talk about rape? that word seems to be the shooting point of everyone saying that they will be gagged when they return.

[AKA]

has a good thread ever morphed into a cat picture posting thread?

I tried.

I like our PAC banner better.

http://www.ronfez.net/adserver/adimage.php?filename=pac468x60.gif&contenttype=gif

Agreed! Fluff's work is brilliant - perfect for rf.net.

[MikeB]

I think it was irresponsible for an admin of a fan website to post they are fired, unless it is FACT.

Zag or whatever his name is presented it as fact and said something along the lines of "This comes from the highest source." He also presented it as a done deal.

If No Filter Paul someone who WORKS for Jimmy has a higher source than himself, who is it? And if No Filter Paul, FBA, HTG (According to posts on wackbag, still not 100% she was posting they are fired), and Zag lied about having a great source and/or the actual fact of them being fired why were they not corrected by Melinda or Elmo? And for lieing about O&A's jobs will these people sitll be welcomed back with open arms to the show.

I really don't think this is a consiparcy theory if these people are welcomed back to the show. At that/this point the question is if was wrong for O&A to do? And I think people are worrying a little to bit about the money situation. I have a difficult time feeling sorry for that guy that talks about his unit on youtube and hurts himself punching his inno. Instead I am wondering if it was wrong to not trust their fans to the point they had to purposely lied to them.
I do think the comparison of "What if Mikeyboy" is right on. What if Mikeyboy had posted Ron and Fez were fired a month ago knowing that the format flip had a pretty good chance of happening and in an effort to get R&F back on with CBS radio on another station?

[Earlshog]

Goatweed rules.

Also, I have a feeling that the JV & Elvis firing came when the brass already knew that the format flip was imminent. They didn't fire JV&Elvis and then suddenly decide to flip the format 10 days later. Remember, it took six months to flip WNEW. This was coming awhile ago. I just don't get why they didn't wait the 10 days. Probably didn't want the bad press from JV & Elvis latching on the format flip.

Could be however the situation at WNEW was different. This "post Imus" radio climate is what forced CBS hand to act quickly with axing Free FM. Its a real shame because Free was trending up. Strike two. Next time we try this no radio chick!!!!

[celery]

To me, the 30 day suspension was enough of an ominous sign that XM wasn't delivering on its advertised promise of "uncensored" radio, and was worth canceling over if only to send a sign that this wasn't acceptable. Not everyone who canceled did so on the assumption that O&A would soon be fired.

[feralBoy]

I just think the whole thing is silly, and I feel like alot of the OnA fans were used. I mean, I know opies brother probably had his own reasons, but he posted that message with the message "Nobody has ever been brought back after they have been suspended in radio" or whatever the fuck he said.

Then dawn and patrick stated that they cancelled their radios.

Who did this all really help? It didn't really make a statement about free speech. It didn't affect XMs bottom line. It didn't help 202. The only ones it helped were OnA. It showed XM that they have control over there fans, and if they are thinking of firing them one day, they can easily get their fans to cancel XM.

OnA fans cancelled XM because OnA wanted them to cancel XM. It could have been stopped at any time by OnA, but for some reason they didn't want it to stop.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Could be however the situation at WNEW was different. This "post Imus" radio climate is what forced CBS hand to act quickly with axing Free FM. Its a real shame because Free was trending up. Strike two. Next time we try this no radio chick!!!!

Don't blame Imus. If Free-FM had ratings and was making money, I think the format would have stayed put. But it didn't, and it wasn't making money. Even with Ron and Fez's great ratings, if that time slot wasn't billing well, it wasn't enough to save it.

Imus was a mitigating factor, but not the only factor.

I think Free-FM's ratings were lower than WNEW's ratings.... and Dan Mason was brought in to fix the problem.

And by "uncensored content", XM is talking about the seven dirty words and stuff. NOT internal business decisions. THAT'S WHAT GOT THEM IN TROUBLE.

XM doesn't have a problem with the genie getting out of the bottle. It's harping on the fact and giving more fuel for the media.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just think the whole thing is silly, and I feel like alot of the OnA fans were used. I mean, I know opies brother probably had his own reasons, but he posted that message with the message "Nobody has ever been brought back after they have been suspended in radio" or whatever the fuck he said.

Then dawn and patrick stated that they cancelled their radios.

Who did this all really help? It didn't really make a statement about free speech. It didn't affect XMs bottom line. It didn't help 202. The only ones it helped were OnA. It showed XM that they have control over there fans, and if they are thinking of firing them one day, they can easily get their fans to cancel XM.

OnA fans cancelled XM because OnA wanted them to cancel XM. It could have been stopped at any time by OnA, but for some reason they didn't want it to stop.


That's the part of the equation I don't get. If O&A led a "revolt" against XM, but did so silently and had their top lieutenants (Elmo, Dawn, Melinda, etc - the people closest to the show) do the dirty work, XM isn't stupid. E.Lo and Panero would have seen right through that. E.Lo has a prescence on wackbag. Unless his hands were tied and he looked the other way, and this suspension "came from the top".

That's why I think this might have been a stunt in collusion with XM to protect the jobs in the merger. But that's just a THEORY.

Yes, it was to help O&A. Help them with their jobs if Karmazin had no hard data to keep them around.

[Tenbatsuzen]

To me, the 30 day suspension was enough of an ominous sign that XM wasn't delivering on its advertised promise of "uncensored" radio, and was worth canceling over if only to send a sign that this wasn't acceptable. Not everyone who canceled did so on the assumption that O&A would soon be fired.

OK, then here's my question.

They obviously offered you credit when you called to cancel. Why didn't you take money OUT of XM's pocket? To me, that would have hurt them more. You being cancelled for three months or you taking three months credit is the same to XM, and you benefit by the credit.

I know it's about making a statement - but to me, making a statement would only have worked for an "unfair" firing, not what I consider to be a "fair" suspension (although a bit long)

Again, there's been material before that O&A can't talk about - it's just that this is the first incident the pests made a big deal about.

God help O&A if the pests aren't validated when the suspension is over.

[Don Stugots]

I don't need all of you to believe in me.








Just 12.

let us know when you get 1.

[AKA]

If they come back then a bullet was dodged, no matter how you want to slice it. 30 days was a steep suspension; pulling audible.com was pretty major, as was pulling all replays. Without even being on the inside, those things by together is a pretty big sign. I don't doubt for a moment that there was legitimate fear among those closest to the situation that a firing could be the next step - if they ampted it up to mobilize a fan base, we don't really know.

The people who go to other messageboards trust the mods of those boards as much as we'd trust Mikey, Jon and Reilly if they came out and said something similar.

The post certainly made it appear that they knew something no one else did - and as the owners and admins of those sites, of course they might. The only real issue is if the person who gave them information knew it was exagerated or false - which is something we likely will never find out. At the very, very least it can be believed that these actions were enough to prevent XM from going through with a firing (if they are back on the 15th).

I don't think it was a conspiracy by XM or O&A or Wackbag or anyone, in that I don't think it was anything really calculated. I also don't necessarily believe that we are (or will) being told the complete truth by anyone, nor do I expect it. This whole thing just seemed like a big ball of nothing from the start - at every level.

[sailor]

for me the whole thing is a "what if....". i thought that was a given.

hey, ya gotta front-sell AND back-sell.

[sailor]

Also, I have a feeling that the JV & Elvis firing came when the brass already knew that the format flip was imminent. They didn't fire JV&Elvis and then suddenly decide to flip the format 10 days later. Remember, it took six months to flip WNEW. This was coming awhile ago. I just don't get why they didn't wait the 10 days. Probably didn't want the bad press from JV & Elvis latching on the format flip.

if the big-wigs knew the flip was just 10 days out, what did they have to gain by firing jv&e? dumping their two bodies with the rest would have cost them nothing. they may have planned a flip at some point, but i think perhaps the o&a situation with xm when added to the jv&e and imus problems AND poor ratings just hastened everything. if you're going to shut down your factory in two weeks, do you really bother firing your secretary today?

[lleeder]

I only would believe that O&A were fired if I heard it during the "According To Melinda" segment on Board Gossip.

[boeman]

I only cancelled 2 of my three units... I voiced to XM that I was canceling them to voice my displeasure of O&A being muzzled on a topic very close to their hearts.

it's kinda funny though... the unit I kept active stopped working 5 days later (hardware failure). I had to endure the long hold time to swap the failed unit for one I had just turned off.

[Tenbatsuzen]

if the big-wigs knew the flip was just 10 days out, what did they have to gain by firing jv&e? dumping their two bodies with the rest would have cost them nothing. they may have planned a flip at some point, but i think perhaps the o&a situation with xm when added to the jv&e and imus problems AND poor ratings just hastened everything. if you're going to shut down your factory in two weeks, do you really bother firing your secretary today?

Getting rid of the negative publicity attached to those two before flipping the station.

There have been reports of K-Rock branded hats, t-shirts, and (and most importantly) vans. Now, I don't know if it was stuff with the new logo, or the old one. If it's the old logo, I can believe all the old stuff went into storage. But if it's the new logo, that stuff doesn't appear overnight. It takes at least a few weeks lead time to come up with a logo, get quotes from vendors, and get the stuff printed up.

[DonInNC]

i think most people knew that it was a cynical move from a silenced O&A, through their friends, family and show insiders, to get the desired reaction from the fans.



If that's the case, then they should be fired. Just Like I'd expect to be fired from my job if I asked my customers to cancel their orders because I got in trouble with the boss.

[Don Stugots]

Getting rid of the negative publicity attached to those two before flipping the station.

There have been reports of K-Rock branded hats, t-shirts, and (and most importantly) vans. Now, I don't know if it was stuff with the new logo, or the old one. If it's the old logo, I can believe all the old stuff went into storage. But if it's the new logo, that stuff doesn't appear overnight. It takes at least a few weeks lead time to come up with a logo, get quotes from vendors, and get the stuff printed up.

it only takes a few days, a week tops. start it on a friday and you would have the stuff in hand by next friday before end of the day. Its not like they have to go and look for vendors, they just used them same as they always do. the van? how hard is it to get a white van painted? or if you had a van you wanted repainted? no hard at all.

[JPMNICK]

it only takes a few days, a week tops. start it on a friday and you would have the stuff in hand by next friday before end of the day. Its not like they have to go and look for vendors, they just used them same as they always do. the van? how hard is it to get a white van painted? or if you had a van you wanted repainted? no hard at all.

Stu is right, for a company as large as CBS, I am sure they could get hats and all that shit done in 2 days tops. use multiple vendors makes it even quicker


as for the van, it is a wrap that they put on top of vans now, no more painting. you can have that done very quickly as well.

[Don Stugots]

i can order shirts right now and have them ready for breakfast in the AM. $$$ talks.


wraps? shit, i forgot about them, i suck.

[celery]

i can order shirts right now and have them ready for breakfast in the AM. $$$ talks.


wraps? shit, i forgot about them, i suck.

I'm fuckin starvin' - we got any wraps back there?

[sailor]

that stuff doesn't appear overnight.

i can order shirts right now and have them ready for breakfast in the AM.

agree to disagree?

[Don Stugots]

agree to disagree?

both. kinda.



my point was that anything is possible if you are willing to spend the $$$.

[sailor]

both. kinda.



my point was that anything is possible if you are willing to spend the $$$.

i know. my point is i'm mean.

[HBox]

I think the simple answer to this is that its always wrong when you report that something will happen and then it doesn't.

[MikeB]

I think the simple answer to this is that its always wrong when you report that something will happen and then it doesn't.

There is no "will" about it. The report was that they were fired and all the pests could do was cancel your radios and smash them outside free fm.

[Don Stugots]

i know. my point is i'm mean.

i thought it was fair to say since people IMed me asking me what i meant.

There is no "will" about it. The report was that they were fired and all the pests could do was cancel your radios and smash them outside free fm.

zactly. there was no maybe or future about it. the postings all stated FIRED, past tense.

[PapaBear]

I think the simple answer to this is that its always wrong when you report that something will happen and then it doesn't.
Or, that it's wrong to get your news from Wackbag. I never believed for a minute that they were fired.

[sailor]

i thought it was fair to say since people IMed me asking me what i meant.


for real? crazy talk. you were very succinct.

[MikeB]

Or, that it's wrong to get your news from Wackbag. I never believed for a minute that they were fired.

Problem is they always talk about what a fan site should be and what not. Yet it appears they used their fans and the fan site and lied to them. And they wonder why opieanthony.net is the way it is.

[Don Stugots]

Or, that it's wrong to get your news from Wackbag. I never believed for a minute that they were fired.

i believe nothing unless it comes from Mikeyboy or ch. 7.

for real? crazy talk. you were very succinct.

yep. i just explained it again. in this world $$$ rules. i have seen it way too much in my line of work including full crews of workers coming in on christmas day. the people with the $$$ have no remorse and the guys doing the work do it out of fear of losing there jobs. in this case, a t-shirt printing company would do anything to keep a big client happy, including putting workers on a night shift, on OT or holding off on someone else's order. another case in point, my friends over at new york city ink, i called them today to order the shirts i need and i will pick them up tomorrow night when i go there for a party, they will have them, why? i will pay them cash for it. i know they are my friends and i have done the same for them last winter fixing their roof in the cold but it is the same thing.

[DDRoxxx]

Wow- interesting thread....

I just think the whole thing is silly, and I feel like alot of the OnA fans were used. I mean, I know opies brother probably had his own reasons, but he posted that message with the message "Nobody has ever been brought back after they have been suspended in radio" or whatever the fuck he said.

Then dawn and patrick stated that they cancelled their radios.


I cancelled my XM subs because they did not support the format they promised to my brother and Opie, and the fans of the show. They did not treat my brother right. If your brother was not treated right by his employer, you would not continue to financially support his employer, would you??

People wanted to know what they could do to help. I told them what I was doing. I did cancel the 2 subs that I pay for out of my own pocket. People asked me if they were getting fired. I never, ever told people that they were getting fired. Told them that Anthony and I were in the dark as much as the fans. Employers do not give people a 1 months notice that they will be fired. So firing was a very real possibility during all this time. Many people sent me messages via myspace, and I told them exactly this: I do not know....but anything could happen.

XM sent out the latest e-mails about O&A's return to the subscribers (and former subscribers) this morning, and it looks like this is going in the right direction and XM is doing the right thing for now. Just please be aware that all of this is going on in real time, and everyone involved is getting the same information as the fans at roughly the same time. I will be re-subscribing, and I am happy that XM is waiving the reactivation fee. I feel that the cancellations sent a strong message to XM, and I don't feel used by the show in the least....;)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Dawn, thanks for posting open and honestly in this thread.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Dawn just about summed it all up very nicely and answered any "insider" questions I may have personally had. I salute people for canceling their subscriptions- it most certainly sent a message- and I even salute those who publicly destroyed their XM units, since that also sends a very, very clear message to XM and makes for news coverage. It also would imply to XM that they would make a bundle of extra money by putting O&A back on the XM airwaves, as most those who broke their units would probably buy new ones (or old, cheap ones from private sellers, who knows). I don't care for the Wackbag mentality of "get AIDS fuckface" if you didn't cancel- some people still want to hear R&F after all- but there's assholes to be found in any just cause. And they're just being loyal. I'm just glad that this whole crisis is seemingly over with.

[Fat_Opie]

What I was telling everyone was "We canceled our subs but we're not smashing our radios.....yet."

We really did cancel them. It was important to send that message to XM because this was a situation that had never happened before. Any previous suspension in radio happened to appease sponsors because a prescribed rule was broken. Those suspensions almost always concluded with a firing, just like Don Imus, J.V. and Elvis or O&A a couple of times. In those cases, there was no warning given (besides the "suspension") prior to the firing. If XM was handling this like a conventional radio situation as they appeared to be handling it, that would be the logical assumption. The unconventional part is that we all had a chance to send a message directly to XM in a way that was never possible in radio before.

In my opinion XM did not want to get rid of O&A but there's more than just XM involved here. It was not a creative decision made by XM but a business decision. A message needed to be sent to ALL PARTIES INVOLVED in that decision that it is not good business practice to intentionally withhold a product from willing, paying customers. It's all about showing the business people what supply and demand is about first-hand.

We may never know if the suspension was intended as just a suspension or a pre-firing period. We can be sure, however, that the message got through loud and clear.

[The Jays]

I think all the boards were in the wrong for allowing for threads to be stickied and treated like fact that the boys were fired. It incited everyone to overreact and to cancel their subscriptions all for the sake of making the boys feel better. NoFilterPaul is a fucking asshole, and he is the prime example of why this whole pest shit/army does not work. And If Melinda is behind this too, well, it's just another thing in a long line of crap she's pulled online to fuck with the fans.

[Fat_Opie]

I think all the boards were in the wrong for allowing for threads to be stickied and treated like fact that the boys were fired. It incited everyone to overreact and to cancel their subscriptions all for the sake of making the boys feel better. NoFilterPaul is a fucking asshole, and he is the prime example of why this whole pest shit/army does not work. And If Melinda is behind this too, well, it's just another thing in a long line of crap she's pulled online to fuck with the fans.

Nope. Wrong. Black and white issue.

If a business decision is made that negatively affects the customers, the customers have the right to band together to make their displeasure known in the marketplace.

The only party who fucked with the fans was the one who made the decision to take O&A off the air.

[topless_mike]

I think its rediculous to assume anything until ALL the facts have been put on the table. There was NO confirmation that they were fired. No disrespect to NFP, but I refuse to buy into something that him or anyone else that was "given inside information". Until i hear it from XM or O&A themselves, its not valid in my eyes.

its one thing to cancel your subscription, but to break your equipment is beyond me. Sell it, Stupid!!!! Then donate your money to People against censorship to help fight the fight!

it sucks for those fans because once O&A do come back, all that New equipment will have to be purchased AGAIN. Uggh.


wow... looks like somebody phinally got the "F" key phixed on her computer.

[sailor]

I think all the boards were in the wrong for allowing for threads to be stickied and treated like fact that the boys were fired. It incited everyone to overreact and to cancel their subscriptions all for the sake of making the boys feel better. NoFilterPaul is a fucking asshole, and he is the prime example of why this whole pest shit/army does not work. And If Melinda is behind this too, well, it's just another thing in a long line of crap she's pulled online to fuck with the fans.
Nope. Wrong. Black and white issue.

If a business decision is made that negatively affects the customers, the customers have the right to band together to make their displeasure known in the marketplace.

The only party who fucked with the fans was the one who made the decision to take O&A off the air.

i think he was just saying it was wrong to (willingly?) manipulate the hearts/minds of the fans with false information. for whatever wrong xm did to us, they were honest, at least so far.

[King Imp]

I think all the boards were in the wrong for allowing for threads to be stickied and treated like fact that the boys were fired. It incited everyone to overreact and to cancel their subscriptions all for the sake of making the boys feel better. NoFilterPaul is a fucking asshole, and he is the prime example of why this whole pest shit/army does not work. And If Melinda is behind this too, well, it's just another thing in a long line of crap she's pulled online to fuck with the fans.

Nope. Wrong. Black and white issue.

If a business decision is made that negatively affects the customers, the customers have the right to band together to make their displeasure known in the marketplace.

The only party who fucked with the fans was the one who made the decision to take O&A off the air.

Wow, you truly are clueless. Did you not get the point TheJays was making?

NoFliter Paul and possibly even Melinda (you know, Anthony's girlfriend) deliberately spewed false info as fact to get everyone in an uproar. The morons who destroyed their radios should be pissed at them, not XM because a lot of them did so in the belief that O&A were not coming back.

[DDRoxxx]

Hey all...
Believe what you want. I tried to put some perspective on this with my earlier post. But if you want to believe it was a conspiracy, maaaaaaaaaan, then be my guest. I'm done. This is why I never usually get involved in these discussions. Silly me.
<br>
And yes, King Imp, we know exactly who Mellinda is, but thanks for clearing that up anyway.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Melinda (you know, Anthony's girlfriend)


And yes, King Imp, we know exactly who Mellinda is, but thanks for clearing that up anyway.

If you read it with Fez's voice in the back of your head, it makes it 1000% funnier.

[Fat_Opie]

i think he was just saying it was wrong to (willingly?) manipulate the hearts/minds of the fans with false information. for whatever wrong xm did to us, they were honest, at least so far.

If XM has been honest, and we won't really know until June 15th has come and gone, it will be the first time in radio history.

By "XM" I'm not referring to Wicky or E-Lo. They're good guys.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If XM has been honest, and we won't really know until June 15th has come and gone, it will be the first time in radio history.



No, it won't. O&A and R&F and D&M have been suspended before and came back. It was just with Imus being "suspended" then fired (and Imus was never "suspended"/taken off the air - he was fired before he even served his suspension) and The Doghouse getting suspended/fired that people started with this "NOBODY COMES BACK FROM A SUSPENSION" line.

[Fat_Opie]

Wow, you truly are clueless. Did you not get the point TheJays was making?

NoFliter Paul and possibly even Melinda (you know, Anthony's girlfriend) deliberately spewed false info as fact to get everyone in an uproar. The morons who destroyed their radios should be pissed at them, not XM because a lot of them did so in the belief that O&A were not coming back.

Yep, I know Mellinda a lot better than you do.

If you got "suspended" twice in your career and both times you ended up fired before you got back on the air, wouldn't you take the third "suspension" to mean "fired"???

You didn't get the point of MY post. Go read it again. You might learn something besides speculation.

I do agree that it was stupid to not consider your own budget or the official XM press releases before deciding whether or not to smash your XM to make a statement about the situation. Some people were intelligent enough to consider all of the factors but felt it was worth the $50 or $100 to show their support for O&A and show XM that not only would they withhold their payment for their subs but they'd also spend money to show their outrage in no uncertain terms.

[Fat_Opie]

If you read it with Fez's voice in the back of your head, it makes it 1000% funnier.
:lol:

[Fat_Opie]

O&A ... have been suspended before and came back.

When? Were any of those suspensions ever 30 days long?

Okay, even if you have some facts about R&F or D&M that I don't, it would be unique in recent times. Come to think of it, I think Steve Dahl might have been suspended from WLS 20+ years ago and come back so maybe I spoke too quickly. But that was a long time ago. Some time before that, he got the State Department upset by calling Iran repeatedly during the hostage crisis and got nothing more than a talking to. The discipline action has been escalating steadily.

Radio trivia aside, "Suspension" = "Fired" in today's radio industry. XM (or whomever is really running that company these days) knows that and sent the message. What you are upset about is that no one shielded you from that news.

Management only tells air talent "you're suspended" until they're ready to drop the axe. (As a matter of fact, they don't even tell the talent. They tell the agent who tells the talent.) They do that because they don't want the air talent talking about it on the air while they have meetings about how to handle the contracts and tie up that end of business. It's a non-firing firing to try to prevent a reaction like what happened in this case. Canceled subs and smashed radios show management, most of whom came from conventional radio, that they are in a very different business environment than conventional radio. When fans are loyal enough to pay for subscriptions, they'll also be loyal enough to pay to show you their opinion.

I thought it was great, like a modern, radio version of the Boston Tea Party.

[AKA]

O&A and R&F and D&M have been suspended before and came back.

Quoted for truth. This can't be stressed enough, considering the company line that keeps being forwarded.

I think the simple answer to this is that its always wrong when you report that something will happen and then it doesn't.

I don't believe it was a grand conspiracy, but however way it made it's way to be stickied as fact on the messageboards was wrong

[AKA]

I think a lot of people/fans always considered the week O&A were off during their fight w/ D&M back in 2002 as being suspended, even though I'm pretty sure managment officially said they weren't.

Okay, even if you have some facts about R&F or D&M that I don't, it would be unique in recent times.

R&F were off the air for a week back in 2005 when other people missed hitting the dump button on a caller.

Don and Mike were made to sit the bench for most of December this last year because they walked off the show two days in a row - they have, in fact, been suspended numerous times, 2 - 3 weeks at time. The most high profile one came right after Janet Jackson, the week that Mel Karmizon was being called to the carpet by Congress, and D&M were actually referenced by name on the floor.

"Elliot," also here in Washington (and previously in NY), has also been suspended, and returned.

The point is NOT that this is the NORM, but that there are enough recent examples that that saying suspended ALWAYS = fired is enough to give the naysayers something naysay about.

[Death Metal Moe]

I thnk whoever spread the rumor that got thousands and thousands of O&A fans pissed and crazy should be held accountable for their lies. Things did look bleak but people have returned from suspensions before so I personally wouldn't have assumed they were fired unless that bullshit was posted on the front page of Wackbag. I know the radio climate was and still is very touchy but no one was seriously assuming firing until that message.


But I got XM for Ron and Fez, so I'm REALLY REALLY REALLY glad I didn't jump off the bridge with the rest of the knee jerk reaction crowd.

[AKA]

Wow, you truly are clueless. Did you not get the point TheJays was making?

Really not necessary. Jeeeeez

[Tenbatsuzen]

When? Were any of those suspensions ever 30 days long?


WNEW, for a week or so, quite a few times. It led to the O&A "Southern Man Boss" bit.

The only difference was that WNEW didn't put a press release out about it.

Although I agree with you 30 days is a bit long, I think it was to send a message, as stated in the press release.

[Death Metal Moe]

I don't know why anyone is fighting over this. It seems now that O&A are coming back and whoever said they were fired was wrong. Sure, they could still be fired between now and then or even shortly after they come back, but right now things are moving in the right direction. We should all be happy about that.

No one knew anything for sure and it was a crazy time especially in the wake of things like Imus and JV & Elvis. But no one should have just assumed "Fired" in my opinion.

[Fat_Opie]

I thnk whoever spread the rumor that got thousands and thousands of O&A fans pissed and crazy should be held accountable for their lies. Things did look bleak but people have returned from suspensions before so I personally wouldn't have assumed they were fired unless that bullshit was posted on the front page of Wackbag. I know the radio climate was and still is very touchy but no one was seriously assuming firing until that message.


But I got XM for Ron and Fez, so I'm REALLY REALLY REALLY glad I didn't jump off the bridge with the rest of the knee jerk reaction crowd.

There were no lies. Just a logical conclusion made based on experience and more information than is available to the public. Face it. You guys don't know all the facts.

That's the only point I'm trying to make.

That's also why I've been staying away from the boards for the past month. My tongue is bleeding I'm biting it so hard!

[mr.smokepants]

Sure, they could still be fired between now and then or even shortly after they come back, but right now things are moving in the right direction. We should all be happy about that.

Not me. 24/7 Ron and Fez beats Opie and Anthony CBS crap any day.

[Death Metal Moe]

There were no lies. Just a logical conclusion made based on experience and more information than is available to the public. Face it. You guys don't know all the facts.

That's the only point I'm trying to make.

That's also why I've been staying away from the boards for the past month. My tongue is bleeding I'm biting it so hard!

When someone says "100% lock O&A are fired, start going apeshit NOW!" and it wasn't 100%, that's a lie.

[Death Metal Moe]

Not me. 24/7 Ron and Fez beats Opie and Anthony CBS crap any day.

Hey listen, I love the 24-7 Ron and Fez too, but we all know XM is never going to give us that. Plus I don't want to see another thread become O&A vs Ron and Fez. It doesn't have to be like that.

[Fat_Opie]

I don't know why anyone is fighting over this. It seems now that O&A are coming back and whoever said they were fired was wrong. Sure, they could still be fired between now and then or even shortly after they come back, but right now things are moving in the right direction. We should all be happy about that.

No one knew anything for sure and it was a crazy time especially in the wake of things like Imus and JV & Elvis. But no one should have just assumed "Fired" in my opinion.

Hindsight is 20/20 so that's easy to say from mid-June, 2007. It was not so easy to say in mid-May. The cancellations and smashed XMs on the news may have had an effect on the outcome. Only the people in charge of XM know for sure if it had an effect.

I'm glad they're replaying O&A material on XM now and I'll be glad when they're back. I'm so far out in Suffolk that I can't get K-Rock in the house unless I stream it, which is a pain in the ass at 6am. I also miss the replays when I can catch what I missed while I was still asleep at 6am.

Dawn & I were always holding out hope that this would be just a suspension. That's why, like I said in my original post, I've been telling everyone, "We've canceled out subscriptions but we're not smashing our radios......yet."

[Fat_Opie]

Not me. 24/7 Ron and Fez beats Opie and Anthony CBS crap any day.

Look at it as "the road to recovery."

Of course that could be an assumption, too. Let's see what it looks like NEXT month.

The suspension was a bad business decision, a bad thing to do to XM's paying customers. Replaying "CBS crap" isn't much better but it appears to be XM making a statement back to the subscribers who made their own statement.

I love Ron & Fez but a 3-hour show repeated 8 times a day was a bad business decision, too. I hope they learned something.

[Fat_Opie]

Hey listen, I love the 24-7 Ron and Fez too, but we all know XM is never going to give us that. Plus I don't want to see another thread become O&A vs Ron and Fez. It doesn't have to be like that.

I wish Ron & Fez had more hours. Personally, I'd love to hear an O&A channel repeating the 5-hour show all day and an R&F channel repeating a 5-hour R&F show all day with the live shows offset.

[Fat_Opie]

When someone says "100% lock O&A are fired, start going apeshit NOW!" and it wasn't 100%, that's a lie.

Rule #1: Don't believe everything stated on the internet as fact.

Rule #2: Facts change with time. Example: What's the tallest building in New York City?

Rule #3: A lie is an intentional statement of fallacy with the purpose to deceive. If someone believes their statement is true at the time they make it, it is not a lie.

[Fat_Opie]

The only difference was that WNEW didn't put a press release out about it.

Although I agree with you 30 days is a bit long, I think it was to send a message, as stated in the press release.

If there was no press release, it was not the same as what happened this time.

The point is that they recognized the same pattern happening at the time it happened and applied their best foresight to see the logical conclusion. The press release is part of the pattern.

[Fat_Opie]

That's also why I've been staying away from the boards for the past month. My tongue is bleeding I'm biting it so hard!

Okay, I'm getting off of here now. It's too easy to get sucked into this stuff and I really have to watch what I say. Maybe I'll check back in a couple of days.

See ya...

[SPeeDy_Freak]

I love Ron & Fez but a 3-hour show repeated 8 times a day was a bad business decision, too. I hope they learned something.

Apparently you don't listen much, do you?

They are playing some terrific Best of R&F shows in between the daily show replays.

As for "suspension equals fired", every other suspension was an "indefinite" suspension. This suspension had a set term. Just because the pests at WB (including those "close to the show") over-reacted and cancelled and smashed radios, they should now all pony up and buy back in. Forget having the re-activation fee waived. They made a decision to cancel they should have to pay-up to re-up.

I would be very happy if they reversed the order of the show upon O&A return where O&A are replayed less and more R&F replays.

At least give them their own channel. They really carried the channel well in the past month and I would hate to have them relegated to second fiddle by XM again.

[MadMatt]

Okay, I'm getting off of here now. It's too easy to get sucked into this stuff and I really have to watch what I say. Maybe I'll check back in a couple of days.

See ya...

Please don't be mad - I, for one, appreciate your posts and defense of O&A.

Even if I don't agree 100%, you bring up some very valid points and provide an "insider's perspective" which the majority of us don't have.

It is silly for people to get into fights about this now; what's done is done. All we can do is move on from where we are. Isn't it better to move on as a unified front rather than a divided, frustrated mob?

[AKA]

I've said all along that if and when O&A are back, then it will feel like a bullet was dodged - it's completely reasonable to assume that the actions helped convince XM not to do anything dumber. As reactionary as XM might have been, however, they were pretty consistant with their story and at least appear to be sticking with it.

Sorry if this board flustered you guys, Patrick. Even as close as you are, you have to admit how this could make some listeners cynics. June 15th can't be here soooooon enough.

[Death Metal Moe]

Rule #1: Don't believe everything stated on the internet as fact.

Rule #2: Facts change with time. Example: What's the tallest building in New York City?

Rule #3: A lie is an intentional statement of fallacy with the purpose to deceive. If someone believes their statement is true at the time they make it, it is not a lie.

I didn't instantly believe anything. I was quite nervous and still feel XM has probably ruined their entire talk format but I just think the O&A audience was a little used or at the very least prematurely put into a state of panic.

But we don't have any problems with you man, or DD or anyone on the O&A show. We're all fans of both shows as most O&A fans are fans of both shows now. You don't have to leave, but if you feel you should because you don't want to say too much, just come back after the shit settles.

[MobCounty]

I am dying to know the final effect of the boycott. Hopefully the boys will be able to shed some light on the topic when they get back.

[MadMatt]

I am dying to know the final effect of the boycott. Hopefully the boys will be able to shed some light on the topic when they get back.

Considering what has happened, I doubt it. They won't be able to talk about anything having to do with the suspension.

If R&F were ordered not to even mention O&A during the suspension, there is no way XM will let them say word one.

[King Imp]

Really not necessary. Jeeeeez

It's a good thing I'm not concerned with kissing the asses of the brothers and sisters of some radio personalities as if they are some celebrities.

[mikeyboy]

It's a good thing I'm not concerned with kissing the asses of the brothers and sisters of some radio personalities as if they are some celebrities.

Well, you do have to show respect for the other members of this site, regardless of lineage.

[Fat_Opie]

It's a good thing I'm not concerned with kissing the asses of the brothers and sisters of some radio personalities as if they are some celebrities.

I'm glad you're not, too.

I don't think any asses should be kissed here. We just get to hear things - even if it's the tone of someone's voice saying something you only got to read - and look into the speaker's eyes as he says it. That's what I'm trying to convey to you. No one was lying.

They're just voices on a radio to you. Believe what you want.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Let me put it here...

Mikeyboy is considered WAAAY too close to the show, so if someone like Sheepy or FM Jeff said something like "It's not a suspension, they are fired, trust me on this." which is pretty much what NF Paul said, then that user should be held accountable.

I think a lot of people are putting their anger on O&A or XM management, when the person associated with starting the fire should be held accountable.

[Marc with a c]

I think a lot of people are putting their anger on O&A or XM management, when the person associated with starting the fire should be held accountable.

the homeless guy?

[Fat_Opie]

Apparently you don't listen much, do you?

Not since we canceled our subs. DUH!!!

We'll re-up when O&A are definitely back. We were prepared to pay the re-activation fees when we canceled. Like the radios that some chose to smash, that's a small price to pay to voice our opinion to those who care about XM's financial statements.

I'm glad XM is doing the right thing and not raking in artificial profits as a result of correcting their error in judgment. One can infer that XM feels their reputation took a bad enough hit and needs to welcome back their estranged subscribers. That's the first bit of evidence that the boycott's statement got through.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And Patrick, the downright condescending tone of the XM press release along with given a set date of O&A's return PLUS the reason given for the suspension and the lack of terms like "indefinite" or "conducting an investigation" gave me no reason NOT to believe XM that O&A were coming back. XM gave a reason, they gave language that they were pissed, and they gave a time frame. There has been NO indication on my part of wrongdoing by XM other than the length of suspension.

[Fat_Opie]

Let me put it here...

Mikeyboy is considered WAAAY too close to the show, so if someone like Sheepy or FM Jeff said something like "It's not a suspension, they are fired, trust me on this." which is pretty much what NF Paul said, then that user should be held accountable.

I think a lot of people are putting their anger on O&A or XM management, when the person associated with starting the fire should be held accountable.

Hate NFP all you want. He looks like Mancow with Down Syndrome and I tell him that every time I see him! Hehehehehe

This is like blaming lyrics for some kid committing suicide. It was just a post on a message board by someone who is known for enjoying the havoc he creates. Did you ever have dinner with him? He likes to let loud C-bombs fly and watch all the nearby tables clear out.

I can't imagine Sheepy doing that. Bad comparison.

People need to take responsibility for their own actions.

[Death Metal Moe]

That's the problem bro. It wasn't a post by one guy, it was in huge red print on the front of the most popular O&A messageboard.

Big difference.

[CruelCircus]

*edit* Should have read the whole thread first...

[Fat_Opie]

And Patrick, the downright condescending tone of the XM press release along with given a set date of O&A's return PLUS the reason given for the suspension and the lack of terms like "indefinite" or "conducting an investigation" gave me no reason NOT to believe XM that O&A were coming back. XM gave a reason, they gave language that they were pissed, and they gave a time frame. There has been NO indication on my part of wrongdoing by XM other than the length of suspension.

The wrongdoing was something posted on xmradio.com called "The XM Customer Promise." Read it HERE (http://www.xmradio.com/merger/promise.xmc). XM violated this promise to their customers.

This all stems from an incident that did not violate any existing rule yet resulted in a censure as a public gesture in light of the pending merger. That means the interruption of delivery of their O&A product is a result of the merger and therefore a violation of "The XM Customer Promise" as stated and signed by XM management.

That is why the customers who are displeased with the decision should have and did voice their displeasure by canceling. It doesn't matter if it was permanent or temporary. XM broke their promise to the customer either way.

[Fat_Opie]

That's the problem bro. It wasn't a post by one guy, it was in huge red print on the front of the most popular O&A messageboard.

Big difference.

And many here complain about what they perceive as "the Wackbag mentality." That's another case of considering the source.

All message boards attract drama queens. Why do you think ESD does Board Gossip???

(Please note that I did not say that all people on message boards are drama queens. It's important to read all the words in the order I type them! ;) )

[Don Stugots]

Fat_Opie said we are all drama queens. :wink:

[Fat_Opie]

I didn't instantly believe anything. I was quite nervous and still feel XM has probably ruined their entire talk format but I just think the O&A audience was a little used or at the very least prematurely put into a state of panic.

But we don't have any problems with you man, or DD or anyone on the O&A show. We're all fans of both shows as most O&A fans are fans of both shows now. You don't have to leave, but if you feel you should because you don't want to say too much, just come back after the shit settles.

Well, I came back again today. I'm a glutton for punishment!!!

Yeah, I'll probably back off some more but curiosity got the best of me. Dawn reads these boards a lot but she's much better at keeping her mouth shut!

[MadMatt]

Fat_Opie said we are all drama queens. :wink:

That sonofabitch!

And I thought he was one of the "good guys."









j/k
:bye:

[Fat_Opie]

Fat_Opie said we are all drama queens. :wink:

Not you. You're just an early-party-leaving wuss! :bye:

[Don Stugots]

That sonofabitch!

And I thought he was one of the "good guys."









j/k
:bye:

me too, more so since i was taken back by him saying that he knew who i was the other night. i blushed. now this? it is breaking my heart.

[Fat_Opie]

the homeless guy?
Heeeeeeeere commmmmmmes the LINE of the day...

line of the day...

[Don Stugots]

Not you. You're just an early-party-leaving wuss! :bye:


it was after mid-night when we left, hardly early since we got there at 4:00.

[Fat_Opie]

it was after mid-night when we left, hardly early since we got there at 4:00.

Did you leave before the first double-stent performance of "It Makes You Fez"????

[MJ]

Well, I came back again today. I'm a glutton for punishment!!!

Yeah, I'll probably back off some more but curiosity got the best of me. Dawn reads these boards a lot but she's much better at keeping her mouth shut!



Quit hanging out with Dawn and get yourself a boyfriend of your own.

STAY AWAY FROM FEZZIE'S WOMAN :furious:

How's that for some punishment.

[Fat_Opie]

Quit hanging out with Dawn and get yourself a boyfriend of your own.

STAY AWAY FROM FEZZIE'S WOMAN :furious:

How's that for some punishment.

Okay. How's this?

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/hughbond/2007-06-09149.jpg

[MJ]

Okay. How's this?

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/hughbond/2007-06-09149.jpg


I just threw up in my mouth a little......but mazel tov....woop just threw up a little more

[Furtherman]

Okay. How's this?

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/hughbond/2007-06-09149.jpg

My god. I don't even think Kobyashi could stomach that.

[MikeB]

That's the problem bro. It wasn't a post by one guy, it was in huge red print on the front of the most popular O&A messageboard.

Big difference.

It was on a board that appears to consult Anthony with many of their decisions (He knew right away when a caller asked about censoring of words on the board) and another board that they have strong ties to. Yet the only board that didnt post it was the board that "Is not a real fan site," hmmm.

[Fat_Sunny]

Okay. How's this?

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/hughbond/2007-06-09149.jpg

Damn...Fat_Sunny Is Jealous!! The Other Fat_ Gets All The Best Guys!!

[Doctor Z]

Did they report lies and state them as facts? Yes.

Did it help the cause? Yes.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Did they report lies and state them as facts? Yes.

Did it help the cause? Yes.

No Filter Paul = Goebbels?

[johnniewalker]

Did they report lies and state them as facts? Yes.

Did it help the cause? Yes.

Yeah i could care less, what happens to o and a affects ron and fez in a big way. Seems like kind of stupid thing to lie, but i'm not going to get all worked up about it. A lot of positive things came out of it.

[kdubya]

I read all the whackbag and FBA threads with people syaing stuff like "I have insider info" or "someone I know high up, but I can't say who...". Anytime sonenoe says soemthing like that you can pretty much bet on it being BS.

From what I have seen XM held to what they said form the begining. O and A were suspended and would be back. Well today we got O and A replays so it looks like XM was telling the truth. To be honest I miss 24/7 Ron and Fez

[Chimee]

My god. I don't even think Kobyashi could stomach that.

That's Pat's plan for victory on July 4th.

[Fat_Opie]

From what I have seen XM held to what they said form the begining. O and A were suspended and would be back. Well today we got O and A replays so it looks like XM was telling the truth.

That's what it looks like and what we've been hoping for. That's why we didn't smash our radios even though it looked like fun!

[DDRoxxx]

Well, I came back again today. I'm a glutton for punishment!!!

Yeah, I'll probably back off some more but curiosity got the best of me. Dawn reads these boards a lot but she's much better at keeping her mouth shut!

Damned straight I am. Now get over here and continue kissing my entitled famous-sibling ass!!
:tongue:

[Fat_Opie]

Damned straight I am. Now get over here and continue kissing my entitled famous-sibling ass!!
:tongue:
But Pat might get jealous!

[Death Metal Moe]

Yeah i could care less, what happens to o and a affects ron and fez in a big way. Seems like kind of stupid thing to lie, but i'm not going to get all worked up about it. A lot of positive things came out of it.

So you don't mind being lied to when the outcome is positive? What if the lie here caused XM to actually fire them after originally only planning to suspend them?

You like being told what's best for you?

[BoarsHeadRob]

So you don't mind being lied to when the outcome is positive? What if the lie here caused XM to actually fire them after originally only planning to suspend them?

You like being told what's best for you?

I know it's nice to be a loyal fan but why would them 'firing' O+A cause you to cancel your subscription? Especially since it was all Internet rumors.. Now these people all look like the dumbasses that they are because they have to buy a brand new unit and will probably need to pay a new subscription charge (not to mention the possible cancellation fee). R+F rule anyway and either need their own channel or at least need an extra replay during the day. I'm already sick of hearing Big A being interviewed in a bicycle helmet.

BHR

[DDRoxxx]

I know it's nice to be a loyal fan but why would them 'firing' O+A cause you to cancel your subscription? Especially since it was all Internet rumors.. Now these people all look like the dumbasses that they are because they have to buy a brand new unit and will probably need to pay a new subscription charge (not to mention the possible cancellation fee). R+F rule anyway and either need their own channel or at least need an extra replay during the day. I'm already sick of hearing Big A being interviewed in a bicycle helmet.

BHR
XM is NOT charging a reactivation fee. They announced that Monday. And the only people who would have to shell out $$ for new units are the ones that smashed their old ones. Most of those people knew they'd have to buy a new unit when they made the decision to destroy their old one.

[Death Metal Moe]

I know it's nice to be a loyal fan but why would them 'firing' O+A cause you to cancel your subscription? Especially since it was all Internet rumors.. Now these people all look like the dumbasses that they are because they have to buy a brand new unit and will probably need to pay a new subscription charge (not to mention the possible cancellation fee). R+F rule anyway and either need their own channel or at least need an extra replay during the day. I'm already sick of hearing Big A being interviewed in a bicycle helmet.

BHR

The fans who smashed their units weren't dumbasses, they were people who bought XM for O&A and were pissed when someone told them a lie that O&A were 100% fired. Don't blame them, I'd probably have done something similar if they fucked with Ron and Fez. 202 is the ONLY thing I use XM for so if they bagged R&F they are out my sub instantly.

I too am sick of so much O&A on the channel, but it was their channel and they are the bigger draw. I already miss 24/7 Ron and Fez but XM are liars and jackoffs and will never give us what we want. I'm done being patient, "Big Things" are not in the works for Ron and Fez. They get used and put back on the shelf.

We as Ron and Fez fans are fucking sick of it, they deserve some recognition.

[Midkiff]

These FM replays have been pretty lame.

I never did like it much anyway, though. The XM show was always the highlight for me.

[SPeeDy_Freak]

Well, I came back again today. I'm a glutton for punishment!!!

Yeah, I'll probably back off some more but curiosity got the best of me. Dawn reads these boards a lot but

Do you mean Dawn... Dawn Cumia... Anthony's sister?

she's much better at keeping her mouth shut!

That's not what Fezzie says,

[johnniewalker]

So you don't mind being lied to when the outcome is positive? What if the lie here caused XM to actually fire them after originally only planning to suspend them?

You like being told what's best for you?

I didn't do as told, I cancelled because they were suspended and I was pissed at XM, not really b/c of the rumor. O and A had ample opportunity to reach out to the fans if what we were doing was negative. No one knows if they weren't really in limbo and we helped the situation. I'd much rather believe a rumor from their website than some fucking company who was willing to stupidly suspend them in the first place. If the rumor was done to be dicks then fuck them, but I doubt it so I really don't care.

[JustJon]

it was after mid-night when we left, hardly early since we got there at 4:00.

Still a lame excuse. You missed Ron screaming Hack The Planet.

XM is NOT charging a reactivation fee. They announced that Monday. And the only people who would have to shell out $$ for new units are the ones that smashed their old ones. Most of those people knew they'd have to buy a new unit when they made the decision to destroy their old one.

And for those who did, allow me to recommend purchasing a new xm radio from our fine friends at myradiostore.com (http://extpromo.myradiostore.com/promotions/s/RonFezNet.MrsHome)

[BoarsHeadRob]

Still a lame excuse. You missed Ron screaming Hack The Planet.



And for those who did, allow me to recommend purchasing a new xm radio from our fine friends at myradiostore.com (http://extpromo.myradiostore.com/promotions/s/RonFezNet.MrsHome)

I started listening to this channel because of O+A and always enjoyed R+F. After listening to wall-to-wall R+F though, how can you not agree that Ron Bennington is the funniest fucking person in the country? I actually always liked the O+A FM show better than the XM show because it actually showed them using their wits to be funny, but these replays have been pretty lame. (Especially in comparison to Ronnie B.) I'm glad O+A are coming back but they really need to step it up because yelling out 'cunt', 'fuck', and 'dick' doesn't really compare to the brilliance of R+F.

[Don Stugots]

Still a lame excuse. You missed Ron screaming Hack The Planet.

There needs to be HACK THE PLANET signs at the next big event since it was such a touching and pivotal moment in all our lives.

[topless_mike]

I think a lot of people are putting their anger on O&A or XM management, when the person associated with starting the fire should be held accountable.


what fire?

just because somebody posted it on a stupid message board does not mean it is true.

if they were fired, it would have been an official public release.

if you chose to smash your radio in protest of the suspension, thats one thing.

if you go into an uproar and start throwing flames over something that's not confirmed but was merely posted on a message board by somebody, whether intentionally deceptive or not, then you really need to sign off because you have other serious issues you need to have evaluated.

just my .02

[Heather 8]

XM is NOT charging a reactivation fee. They announced that Monday.

I was charged a reactivation fee. As of today, it has not been waived.

[Tenbatsuzen]

what fire?

just because somebody posted it on a stupid message board does not mean it is true.

if they were fired, it would have been an official public release.

if you chose to smash your radio in protest of the suspension, thats one thing.

if you go into an uproar and start throwing flames over something that's not confirmed but was merely posted on a message board by somebody, whether intentionally deceptive or not, then you really need to sign off because you have other serious issues you need to have evaluated.

just my .02

No Filter Paul, a person considered by the pests "close to the show", claimed they were fired as fact. This was fanned by Dawn's, Elmo's, and Melinda's behavior. I didn't smash a radio. I didn't cancel. But if people are looking for someone to blame, it's NFP.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

O&A are Back tomorrow, nobody put a gun to your Head to cancel , certain people and groups encouraged it. If you are an O&A fan first, then gr8 job standing up for yourselves. Now you have to deal with the fact that is was a mere suspension and will have to deal with all the Annoyences that are involved with reactivating your account.


I ofcourse diddnt cancel because I listen to Ron & Fez, O &A if I catch them.

:king:

[Heather 8]

I ofcourse diddnt cancel because I listen to Ron & Fez, O &A if I catch them.

In my (pathetic) defense, I cancelled with the thought of, hey, at least I'll be able to catch Ron and Fez on Free FM. *shakes fist* DAMN YOU, K-ROCK!

And apparently I re-upped too soon to get the fee waived. Meh, oh well. At least it was switched back on quickly and I was able to get 24/7 R&F for a while.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

In my (pathetic) defense, I cancelled with the thought of, hey, at least I'll be able to catch Ron and Fez on Free FM. *shakes fist* DAMN YOU, K-ROCK!

And apparently I re-upped too soon to get the fee waived. Meh, oh well. At least it was switched back on quickly and I was able to get 24/7 R&F for a while.


Not Pathetic At All, you had a Plan B when you made your Decision.

A Small Price to Pay to get Ron & Fez Back on 24/7

:king:

[johnniewalker]

No Filter Paul, a person considered by the pests "close to the show", claimed they were fired as fact. This was fanned by Dawn's, Elmo's, and Melinda's behavior. I didn't smash a radio. I didn't cancel. But if people are looking for someone to blame, it's NFP.

Blame everyone else and say that inaction is the best course. Nice.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Blame everyone else and say that inaction is the best course. Nice.

Who am I blaming? I'm enjoying seeing people with egg on their faces. My action was staying the course, because I believed since day 1 they'd be back on June 15th.

NFP presented it as fact. People believed him.

[Fat_Opie]

I was charged a reactivation fee. As of today, it has not been waived.

Did you tell them when you reactivated?

I reactivated ours yesterday and had to tell the girl. She said, "Okay, it's waived," in whatever accent those out-sourced XM customer service reps have.

[Don Stugots]

Blame everyone else and say that inaction is the best course. Nice.

JW, i will stick up for Matty here on that point. I didnt cancel or break my unit. I did make phone calls to XM voice my concern over what they did (too many to count) and how i disagreed with it. I don't think there was a right or wrong way to react to the suspension, everyone did what they felt was right.

[DDRoxxx]

No Filter Paul, a person considered by the pests "close to the show", claimed they were fired as fact. This was fanned by Dawn's, Elmo's, and Melinda's behavior. I didn't smash a radio. I didn't cancel. But if people are looking for someone to blame, it's NFP.

Show me one thing that I put out there that "fanned" any firing rumor. Go back and read my 1st post on this thread.

People wanted to know what they could do to help. I told them what I was doing. I did cancel the 2 subs that I pay for out of my own pocket. People asked me if they were getting fired. I never, ever told people that they were getting fired. Told them that Anthony and I were in the dark as much as the fans. Employers do not give people a 1 months notice that they will be fired. So firing was a very real possibility during all this time. Many people sent me messages via myspace, and I told them exactly this: I do not know....but anything could happen.


I'm not a "soldier", I'm not part of an "army" or a "pest", I am his sister. I acted as a family member and cancelled my subs to support my brother. Which I just re-upped this week (reactivation fee waived).

And I have a ridiculously busy life away from the computer that would never allow me the time to go fueling shit on the internet, even if I wanted to....(which, trust me, I don't. I try and focus my energy on the real world)

If you believe message boards so literally, then I'm sure you also believe the statements about my former boyfriend Fat Opie being gay as well. I understand that one was also put out there by sources "close to the show" as well.

But the stuff about me and Fezzie, that stuffs true. I mean, it's not all bullshit on the boards, right??

[Don Stugots]

but Patrick is gay right?

*crossing my fingers*

[Tenbatsuzen]

Dawn, I really can't win in this situation if I post my opinion... but if people who were that close to the situation were making it public that they were cancelling, plus with NFP's statement, THAT is what caused the flames to be fanned.


You didn't do as much as Elmo's proclamation to cancel, but still, you were close to the situation and people read too much into it.

As I said, I'm not blaming you. I would hold NFP and the group dynamic.

[Fat_Opie]

Who am I blaming? I'm enjoying seeing people with egg on their faces. My action was staying the course, because I believed since day 1 they'd be back on June 15th.

NFP presented it as fact. People believed him.

JustJon: Please change this guy's screen name to "Doesn't get the bit guy."

No one has egg on their face except maybe Paul but he should be used to it by now. Everyone close to the situation, including Opie, Anthony and their families, were operating under the assumption that they were MOST LIKELY fired. That was not a wacky prank played on the listeners to make them smash radios. That is what the people involved really thought and tried to convey to their fans and supporters. If Paul chose extreme verbage to get his point across, I'm not surprised because that's what he does.

Here's what you don't seem to get so I'll explain it very simply.

People paid for XM to deliver the O&A show per the disclaimer of an XL channel.

XM chose to cease delivering that product without a valid reason after taking subscribers' money.

People who didn't like what XM did took their money back from XM.

SIMPLE! No egg on anyone's face because that's the way the marketplace works and is supposed to work. That's how companies make marketing decisions.

No one was forced to do that. They were just given the info. Some people were moved enough to be pissed off and took it out on their radios. Some like to engage in outrageous one-upmanship, too. It's their money. They can do what they want.

I'm glad you were smart enough to not smash your radio. I didn't smash mine either. I'm glad your gamble on June 15th seems to have paid off. Maybe it wouldn't have if XM's customers hadn't made a statement.

Here's a suggestion. I know you'll take it seriously because it's posted on a message board by someone "close to the show."

Step 1: Pick whatever candidate for president you think most people will vote for.

Step 2: Believe they will be voted into office.

Step 3: Don't vote.

Step 4: Post here after the election about how you knew that candidate would win and how all the people who voted for that candidate has egg on their faces but not you because you were too smart to vote.

[Fat_Opie]

but Patrick is gay right?

*crossing my fingers*

You've got a cute ass. ;)

[Don Stugots]

You've got a cute ass. ;)

I knew I saw you checking it out! Regina owes me $5.00 when she gets home.

[DDRoxxx]

but Patrick is gay right?

*crossing my fingers*

Oh nooooo, he's ALL MAN!!! growl............

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[mikeyboy]

Who am I blaming? I'm enjoying seeing people with egg on their faces. My action was staying the course, because I believed since day 1 they'd be back on June 15th.

NFP presented it as fact. People believed him.

...and you wonder why people think you're an asshole. I hate to interrupt your gloat, but for all we know XM was close to putting down the hammer and the cancellations, rallies, phone calls and public radio smashing convinced them otherwise. Did it happen that way? None of us will ever know, but it certainly is possible. I know the cynic in you will say otherwise, but you really have no way of knowing. Consider that as you sit proudly on you're "I was right" throne.

Blame everyone else and say that inaction is the best course. Nice.

I will never attempt to speak for Matty, but I did not cancel. Nor did I smash any of my XM equipment. I had questions whether cancellation was premature and whether it would harm Ron & Fez so I held off. This was my personal decision on how to act, and I appreciate the people who respected my decision. What I did do was attend a PAC rally after everything broke and I did voice my opinion to XM in phone calls and e-mails.

[Fat_Opie]

Dawn, I really can't win in this situation if I post my opinion... but if people who were that close to the situation were making it public that they were cancelling, plus with NFP's statement, THAT is what caused the flames to be fanned.


You didn't do as much as Elmo's proclamation to cancel, but still, you were close to the situation and people read too much into it.

As I said, I'm not blaming you. I would hold NFP and the group dynamic.

Stop dwelling on NFP's words. His words are not the issue. You give him WAAAAY too much credit. Look at the facts.

Canceling was the right thing to do if you wanted to make a statement to XM that they did the wrong thing by violating their agreement with their customers. Even if XM was never going to fire them - and those of us close to the situation DO NOT know what's XM's plans were - the fact that they're waiving reactivation fees is proof that the statement made by the cancellations made an impact to let them know they made a decision that would alienate customers.

NFP is called a pest for a reason. If you don't get where he's coming from whenever he opens his mouth, you're "Doesn't get the bit guy."

[Fat_Opie]

Blame everyone else and say that inaction is the best course. Nice.

This guy gets it. Remind me to buy you a beer (or whatever) if you see me at an event.

I'm not saying everyone HAD to cancel. I'm saying it was the best way to have your opinion known by XM. It was putting your money where your mouth is.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This guy gets it. Remind me to buy you a beer (or whatever) if you see me at an event.

I'm not saying everyone HAD to cancel. I'm saying it was the best way to have your opinion known by XM. It was putting your money where your mouth is.

To XM's bottom line, there was no difference between taking the comp months and cancelling, because a 90 percent majority of those who cancelled are coming back. In fact, they get some money back from the people who forget to ask to have the reactivation fee waived.

However, no one said to take the comp month(s). Everyone involved said CANCEL CANCEL CANCEL. And you were chastised if you took the comp. Who doesn't get the bit now?

[Fat_Opie]

There needs to be HACK THE PLANET signs at the next big event since it was such a touching and pivotal moment in all our lives.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/hughbond/2007-06-09123.jpg

You missed Ron making a satirical comment about something vulgar he wants to do to a high-ranking public official. I'd quote it here but he said it at a private party. When people post things like that out of context on publicly viewed websites, bad thing tend to follow. ;)

[Fat_Opie]

To XM's bottom line, there was no difference between taking the comp months and cancelling, because a 90 percent majority of those who cancelled are coming back. In fact, they get some money back from the people who forget to ask to have the reactivation fee waived.

However, no one said to take the comp month(s). Everyone involved said CANCEL CANCEL CANCEL. And you were chastised if you took the comp. Who doesn't get the bit now?

There was a huge difference.

They have to report their subscription count to their stockholders.

Taking the 30 days was giving them something like all the free Sirius subs that sit unused on Ford dealer lots but get counted.

Sorry. YOU didn't get it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

There was a huge difference.

They have to report their subscription count to their stockholders.

Taking the 30 days was giving them something like all the free Sirius subs that sit unused on Ford dealer lots but get counted.

Sorry. YOU didn't get it.

XM's last quarterly report was filed May 3rd.

The next will be filed in August. Which means that the cancellations will show an indiscernible blip once the churn from this mess has settled.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Actually, I'll correct myself...

For the cancellations to show up, they'd have to stay cancelled into July. But the number of actual cancellations aren't shown in the report, it's just a percentage called Churn rate.

[lleeder]

Actually, I'll correct myself...

For the cancellations to show up, they'd have to stay cancelled into July. But the number of actual cancellations aren't shown in the report, it's just a percentage called Churn rate.

This endless bickering is making me Churn rate.

[AKA]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/hughbond/2007-06-09123.jpg

TEX

[Don Stugots]

This endless bickering is making me Churn rate.

"there is a season Churn Churn Churn"

[Tenbatsuzen]

"there is a season Churn Churn Churn"

Churn the beat around...

[Tenbatsuzen]

Bachman Churner Overdrive

[BeltOfScotch]

There I go, churn the page.

[Fat_Opie]

XM's last quarterly report was filed May 3rd.

The next will be filed in August. Which means that the cancellations will show an indiscernible blip once the churn from this mess has settled.

But it made the news, including the financial news. The stockholders know what the subs mean to their earnings from the quarterly reports but that's not their only news source. Canceling subs lets them know you're serious in no uncertain terms.

[Don Stugots]

This endless bickering is making me Churn rate.

"these little town blues
are churning away"

[Fat_Opie]

Actually, I'll correct myself...

For the cancellations to show up, they'd have to stay cancelled into July. But the number of actual cancellations aren't shown in the report, it's just a percentage called Churn rate.

Correct. That's the part where thousands of cancellations will show an unprecedented spike that syncs with XM's business decision. Taking the free 30 days would not show up as churn. Thank you for pointing out the specific reason that canceling was better than taking the credit.

Neither XM nor Sirius has ever had to deal with a mass cancellation before. That was the point, to show XM (and Sirius with the merger pending) that O&A fans are a vital part of their business and that the show has significant value to the company.

Do you really think no one noticed yet they decided to waive the reactivation fee, an indication that subs mean more to them than cash?

You really have no common sense if you can't grasp any of this. I'm done. Bye! :bye:

[Fat_Opie]

Churn around, bright eyes...

[docgoblin]

Correct. That's the part where thousands of cancellations will show an unprecedented spike that syncs with XM's business decision. Taking the free 30 days would not show up as churn. Thank you for pointing out the specific reason that canceling was better than taking the credit.

Neither XM nor Sirius has ever had to deal with a mass cancellation before. That was the point, to show XM (and Sirius with the merger pending) that O&A fans are a vital part of their business and that the show has significant value to the company.

Do you really think no one noticed yet they decided to waive the reactivation fee, an indication that subs mean more to them than cash?

You really have no common sense if you can't grasp any of this. I'm done. Bye! :bye:

I cancelled three units, but I didn't smash 'em. I will now reactivate all of them for free. I think the cancellations spoke volumes, as opposed to taking the 30 days free that they could write off much easier.

[boeman]

I cancelled 2 units... and the third quit a week later...

I cancelled that one and reactivated another... so I guess I cancelled all 3... I haven't smashed the unit that quit yet... but I think I might after the boys are back.

[sailor]

if i could churn back time...

http://www.candistratton.com/images/cost_turnbacktime.jpg

[Heather 8]

Churn it up, bring da noise!

[torker]

There is a season
churn, churn churn

[scottinnj]

i didn't like the fact that NFP and other insiders were saying they had insider firing info. knowing it came from melinda is making me like it even less...IF TRUE.

No shit, the second I saw the post about "insider information" I started thinking about Professor Anthony and Schoolmaster Opie's lessons on the media.


"Never trust a newscast that says 'people are saying'-who are these people and what are they saying"

.............just saying as all.

[Midkiff]

On Friday, when they come back, I demand a full AFRO show from 6 AM thru 3 PM.

[PapaBear]

I demand that they never say Earl's name again.

[mikeyboy]

I demand that Bitz returns as an intern, and I want a pony.

[Don Stugots]

I demand that Bitz returns as an intern, and I want a pony.

I want a pony! Shit, I always get jipped. Its my sister's fault, mom liked her best.

[JPMNICK]

I demand that Bitz returns as an intern, and I want a pony.

His Name is Bitz (http://www.ronfez.net/displaymedia.cfm/id/2707)

maybe my fav. song on R&F ever.

[MikeB]

If you believe message boards so literally, then I'm sure you also believe the statements about my former boyfriend Fat Opie being gay as well. I understand that one was also put out there by sources "close to the show" as well.

So FBA, NFP, Wackbag, PAC, and others were saying O&A were metaphorically fired?

I didn't know where I stood on the issue at first but now that people on the same level of connection with the show as NFP are addressing this issue by side stepping it with show lines I beginning to not feel so positive about this situation.
This thing is now starting to sound like something Stern would do to save his job.

[johnniewalker]

Who am I blaming? I'm enjoying seeing people with egg on their faces. My action was staying the course, because I believed since day 1 they'd be back on June 15th.

NFP presented it as fact. People believed him.


I will never attempt to speak for Matty, but I did not cancel. Nor did I smash any of my XM equipment. I had questions whether cancellation was premature and whether it would harm Ron & Fez so I held off. This was my personal decision on how to act, and I appreciate the people who respected my decision. What I did do was attend a PAC rally after everything broke and I did voice my opinion to XM in phone calls and e-mails.

My only thing is the people trashing the people who said something or cancelled with an I told you so attitude. I know a lot of people did other things and that's cool. No one knew anything for sure. This is getting old, whatever.

[Don Stugots]

My only thing is the people trashing the people who said something or cancelled with an I told you so attitude. I know a lot of people did other things and that's cool. No one knew anything for sure. This is getting old, whatever.

there is only person that did that as far as i know.

[feralBoy]

So FBA, NFP, Wackbag, PAC, and others were saying O&A were metaphorically fired?


That's really funny.

I can't understand how people are defending that fact that people said OnA were fired, when they weren't. It just doesn't make sense. It's totally reminding me of 1984, with all the doublespeak going on.

Granted, nobody should be throwing it peoples faces, "i was right, you were wrong", but to still defend saying "OnA were fired", is really just silly.

[DDRoxxx]

I didn't know where I stood on the issue at first but now that people on the same level of connection with the show as NFP are addressing this issue by side stepping it with show lines I beginning to not feel so positive about this situation.


Oh wow, I am so excited. I think this message board poster is implying that I have the "same level of connection to the show as NFP"... Oh boy, I can only dare to dream...Maybe someday.... I hope.....
:tongue:

[DDRoxxx]

Imagine if NFP actually used his super-powers for good instead of evil?? Wouldn't this world be a much better place?? If his energies were focused in the right direction, he could probably end world hunger, resolve the war, and find a viable democratic presidential candidate.

[MikeB]

Imagine if NFP actually used his super-powers for good instead of evil?? Wouldn't this world be a much better place?? If his energies were focused in the right direction, he could probably end world hunger, resolve the war, and find a viable democratic presidential candidate.

http://www.ragtimepiano.ca/images/mississippiside.jpg

[topless_mike]

No Filter Paul, a person considered by the pests "close to the show", claimed they were fired as fact. This was fanned by Dawn's, Elmo's, and Melinda's behavior. I didn't smash a radio. I didn't cancel. But if people are looking for someone to blame, it's NFP.

this was not a personal attack towards you- you just happend to say something that caught my eye....

[topless_mike]

No Filter Paul, a person considered by the pests "close to the show", claimed they were fired as fact. This was fanned by Dawn's, Elmo's, and Melinda's behavior. I didn't smash a radio. I didn't cancel. But if people are looking for someone to blame, it's NFP.

if dawn called me and said "oh my gawd, Opie is leaving to become a board-op for ol' big nose", i still wouldnt believe it until i heard it or it was an official release.

of course, when she tells me that i rock and all that jazz i believe her

nuttin but love...







what?

[topless_mike]

"these little town blues
are churning away"

churn baby churn churn....


churn baby churn disco inferno....

[Midkiff]

I want a pony! Shit, I always get jipped. Its my sister's fault, mom liked her best.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x64/cuntburgers/fun22.jpg

[topless_mike]

I want a pony! Shit, I always get jipped. Its my sister's fault, mom liked her best.



no pony for you !

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[Death Metal Moe]

I don't know why everyone is playing so coy now, it's kind of annoying after like 8 pages.

During that time, people were looking for ANY information about the suspension and the status of the O&A show. We were willing to hear rumors or 2nd hand info from anybody.

Suddenly, a website where one of the hosts posts on and is the biggest site for the show with the most closely connected people says O&A are fired from a source close to the show.

Basically people thought O&A sent a message to their fans. I know no one wants to say that but that's what we all thought at the time. O&A talked to their close friends and family and somehow the "Truth" leaked out.

Why is everyone acting like seeing that message was no big deal now and we're to blame for beleiving what we read on the internet? The blame doesn't belong on the people who took action after reading what they thought was fact, the blame belongs to whoever decided to spread word O&A were fired when no one knew if they were or not.

[Midkiff]

I don't know why everyone is playing so coy now, it's kind of annoying after like 8 pages.

During that time, people were looking for ANY information about the suspension and the status of the O&A show. We were willing to hear rumors or 2nd hand info from anybody.

Suddenly, a website where one of the hosts posts on and is the biggest site for the show with the most closely connected people says O&A are fired from a source close to the show.

Basically people thought O&A sent a message to their fans. I know no one wants to say that but that's what we all thought at the time. O&A talked to their close friends and family and somehow the "Truth" leaked out.

Why is everyone acting like seeing that message was no big deal now and we're to blame for beleiving what we read on the internet? The blame doesn't belong on the people who took action after reading what they thought was fact, the blame belongs to whoever decided to spread word O&A were fired when no one knew if they were or not.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH

DEFEND YOUR ACTIONS, DD

[crb1]

QUOTED FOR TRUTH

DEFEND YOUR ACTIONS, DD

Why would she have to defend her actions? She didn't get her information from a message board, nor is she the source of the posts on said message board that started all this. Plus, she's stated numerous times that she was doing it to support her brother, based on what she knew. You can't blame anyone for supporting their family members.

[Dan 'Hampton]

They're not fired. If you smashed your unit because someone else told you to you're an Idiot.

[mikeyboy]

QUOTED FOR TRUTH

DEFEND YOUR ACTIONS, DD

Ease up. She shouldn't have to. She already said that she had nothing to do with those messages.

[Death Metal Moe]

QUOTED FOR TRUTH

DEFEND YOUR ACTIONS, DD

Do NOT direct my statement at someone for me. Don't ever fucking do that again. I wasn't blaming DD, anyone on this board, Wackbag or anyone else specifically from the show.

Someone lied to the fans but I don't think it was Patrick or DD.

[Don Stugots]

not only did they NOT say it, they repeatedly have defended their actions of how they were sticking by Anthony Cumia, Dawn's brother. Do they have to take the time to do so? Nope. Do they do it in a care free fun manner? Yes.

I would expect nothing less from my own sister.

[BeltOfScotch]

I don't know why everyone is playing so coy now, it's kind of annoying after like 8 pages.

During that time, people were looking for ANY information about the suspension and the status of the O&A show. We were willing to hear rumors or 2nd hand info from anybody.

Suddenly, a website where one of the hosts posts on and is the biggest site for the show with the most closely connected people says O&A are fired from a source close to the show.

Basically people thought O&A sent a message to their fans. I know no one wants to say that but that's what we all thought at the time. O&A talked to their close friends and family and somehow the "Truth" leaked out.

Why is everyone acting like seeing that message was no big deal now and we're to blame for beleiving what we read on the internet? The blame doesn't belong on the people who took action after reading what they thought was fact, the blame belongs to whoever decided to spread word O&A were fired when no one knew if they were or not.

Yup, if you look at the posts from NFP and the admins from WB and FBA, it's pretty clear that they had been told O&A were fired (not about to be fired, not likely to be fired, but actually already fired) by someone very close to the show. I don't think it's crazy to think this was done so that the cancellations would occur and O&A would get at least a little leverage back in dealing with XM.

The people who canceled their subscriptions got the best they were ever going to get three weeks ago when XM said O&A will be back on the air June 15th.

As for whether it was wrong to say that, I can understand the anger if people felt they were lied to, especially considering the same reaction would have occurred if people had just been told to cancel to show support for the show.

[topless_mike]

As for whether it was wrong to say that, I can understand the anger if people felt they were lied to,

:furious:


:wallbash:BUT
:wallbash:NOBODY
:wallbash:WAS
:wallbash:LIED
:wallbash:TO

some jackass ran his mouth on a stupid message board, everybody thought it was written in stone.

if XM said "we are only suspending them", then canned them, thats different.
XM never said fired.

who cares what NFP wrote. he could have written that Fezzie was straight as an arrow, but until it comes from Fez's mouth, it's meaningless.

[Death Metal Moe]

:furious:


:wallbash:BUT
:wallbash:NOBODY
:wallbash:WAS
:wallbash:LIED
:wallbash:TO

some jackass ran his mouth on a stupid message board, everybody thought it was written in stone.

if XM said "we are only suspending them", then canned them, thats different.
XM never said fired.

who cares what NFP wrote. he could have written that Fezzie was straight as an arrow, but until it comes from Fez's mouth, it's meaningless.



Printed in HUGE RED LETTERS on the front of websites isn't lying? Passing around MySpace bulletins isn't lying?

Spreading around an untruth is lying. Period.

[EliSnow]

:furious:


:wallbash:BUT
:wallbash:NOBODY
:wallbash:WAS
:wallbash:LIED
:wallbash:TO



Not taking sides here, but how can you say that?

Somebody lied here, right? Whether it was NFP or the person who told NFP that O&A were fired, someone who knew that O&A weren't fired, or wasn't certain about it, told others that O&A were fired for certain. That's a lie, one way or another. If you don't think any lie was told, please let me know how.

Now whether people on the messageboard relied upon that lie by taking actions as a result of it, that's a different story. You may not have, but I can see people on this message board taking certain actions because of a lie.

[topless_mike]

re-reading my post about 400x, i see where i failed to clarify- i apologize.

somebody said they were fired when they werent- if you acted because of this info, then you are fool because it wasnt an official release.

if you were suspect of it, or called bullshit, but acted in repsonse of the suspension, thats a different story.

i guess what i was trying to say was that until XM put out an official press release saying its over johnny, that they were still employed, no matter who said what or what came out of the rumor mill...


again, sorry if i lost me cool there for a hot minute.

[EliSnow]

re-reading my post about 400x, i see where i failed to clarify- i apologize.

somebody said they were fired when they werent- if you acted because of this info, then you are fool because it wasnt an official release.

if you were suspect of it, or called bullshit, but acted in repsonse of the suspension, thats a different story.

i guess what i was trying to say was that until XM put out an official press release saying its over johnny, that they were still employed, no matter who said what or what came out of the rumor mill...


again, sorry if i lost me cool there for a hot minute.


I don't think anyone would disagree with you on that. But I can easily see people who relied upon NFP's info re: firing, with the thought that these guys wouldn't lie, and that they needed to do something. Were they foolish? Probably, definitely too trusting.

[BeltOfScotch]

re-reading my post about 400x, i see where i failed to clarify- i apologize.

somebody said they were fired when they werent- if you acted because of this info, then you are fool because it wasnt an official release.

if you were suspect of it, or called bullshit, but acted in repsonse of the suspension, thats a different story.

i guess what i was trying to say was that until XM put out an official press release saying its over johnny, that they were still employed, no matter who said what or what came out of the rumor mill...


again, sorry if i lost me cool there for a hot minute.

I agree with that 100%, except for the use of the phrase hot minute

[ScottFromGA]

They're not fired. If you smashed your unit because someone else told you to you're an Idiot.

if you would've posted that on ____ a few weeks ago.....you would have recieved some of the following......


1. Get cancer and die.
2. Die..
3. DIE!!
4. Your not a true fan!
5. Stand up for free speech!!
6. Ban this idiot.
7. Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......(you know...like a sheep)

and the ever-so-clever....

9. Your a Stern-Zombie, DIE!!!


How was your unemployment Opie and Anthony? :lol:

[johnniewalker]

there is only person that did that as far as i know.

I wasn't trying to single anyone out...