Chris Benoit, family found dead

[Bossanova]

That is the sadest thing i have heard in a while

[Tenbatsuzen]

So much for that thought. Never mind.

[Tenbatsuzen]

christ, he killed them? motherfuck.

[ShapopoJoe]

So much for that thought. Never mind.

Interesting theories ...there will be alot of this on the news in the next few days I am sure....Sad Sad situation all around...

[Tenbatsuzen]

Interesting theories ...there will be alot of this on the news in the next few days I am sure....Sad Sad situation all around...

If what "detective Bo turner" says is legit, and Benoit killed them, the most popular theory, that it was a Phil Hartman situation, is flushed.

The question is, what the hell would motivate a very successful man to kill his wife and his innocent son?

[Chimee]

Wow, I just don't understand what can happen to make someone do that. Fuck.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wow, I just don't understand what can happen to make someone do that. Fuck.

And the thing is, with ALL the problems that all the WWE wrestlers have had, from DUIs to possessions to even abuse charges, Benoit had to have one of the cleanest records there.

They are gonna say Roid Rage. No doubt in my mind.

[Fallon]

Every guy that talked about him said he'd help people with their problems, but keep his own to himself. Did he finally snap?

[CruelCircus]

I'm watching Raw on DVR, so I'm a little behind. The Royal Rumble match just ended and I remember how psyched I was when it happened b/c I figured there was just no way they were going to let Benoit headline WM.
In hindsight, one thing amazing about that match: at the moment Lesnar comes in for the F5 to Goldberg, there are 8 World Champions in that ring, with no one else.

[epo]

Murder-suicide? Fuck, now I'm just depressed.

[Chimee]

He just never seemed like the type of person that would do something like that, of course I'm speaking only as a fan, but even the people that knew him best had nothing but great things to say about him.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Every guy that talked about him said he'd help people with their problems, but keep his own to himself. Did he finally snap?

Takes a lot for a man to kill his own child. The kid was barely 7 or 8 years old.

You want to get inside the mind of a killer? I don't.

I was going to pooh-pooh someones assertation that this could spell the end of the WWE, but if they find roids in Benoit's system, it's over.

[Doctor Z]

So is it true that McMahon took a vacation from his staged death to make an appearance in the begining of tonight's Raw? I didn't watch the show.

[madsweeney]

Well...according to SportsIllustrated.CNN.com (SI.com), this Detective Bo Turner claims that it is being investigated as a murder-suicide, but the actual Lead Investigator (Lt. Tommy Pope, Fayette County Sheriff's Dept.) told the AP that it is being investigated as a homicide. I hope to God that it's the latter.

Hell of a thing to make my first post about. Jesus.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And I will also retract my statement about the WWE not doing a tribute to a child killer. Maybe they didn't know, but you think they would have known something...

[Tenbatsuzen]

So is it true that McMahon took a vacation from his staged death to make an appearance in the begining of tonight's Raw? I didn't watch the show.

McMahon with no voice, bloodshot eyes, obviously crying, in jeans, in an empty arena. very sad.

[Chimee]

But they also knew the man, probably didn't think he could have snapped and done that.

[Scottyflamingo]

They had to address it and all they knew was that he was dead. I don't know what the hell they're gonna do if it is the worst case scenario.

On a side note, when Benoit got drafted to ECW, the first thing that popped in my mind was Angle and all the problems he had and I wondered if Benoit had gotten into some trouble from all the injuries...

[Tenbatsuzen]

But they also knew the man, probably didn't think he could have snapped and done that.

After OJ, anything is possible.

[Doctor Z]

After OJ, anything is possible.

But he was black. You never know with them!

[MikeB]

double murder suicide yet supposely there were no guns involved? That might be a first considering he just went home saturday for family reasons.

[sailor]

And I will also retract my statement about the WWE not doing a tribute to a child killer. Maybe they didn't know, but you think they would have known something...

dude, imagine it's your friend and you don't have all the details. no one knows for sure what happened, especially not when they were throwing this show together.

[Don Stugots]

And I will also retract my statement about the WWE not doing a tribute to a child killer. Maybe they didn't know, but you think they would have known something...

i have known people to get killed. the friends and family do not always get first hand info. more so when it is out of state and a high profile type person.

[Chimee]

True, none of the facts really started coming out until well into the show.

[spadanko]

I can't believe this. absolutely devestating.. Benoit was one of my faves especially because he emulated the dynamite kid... i can't believe this.. so depressing

[Tenbatsuzen]

double murder suicide yet supposely there were no guns involved? That might be a first considering he just went home saturday for family reasons.

Knife for the murders, pills for the suicide. Hanging for the suicide. Bunch of possibilities.

Don't forget, the guy is trained in CHOKE HOLDS.

[Don Stugots]

dude, imagine it's your friend and you don't have all the details. no one knows for sure what happened, especially not when they were throwing this show together.

right one Sailor. My cousin was killed in 1999 and no one told us shit for a few days. If WWE had not done the show like this tonight, people would be outraged. no matter what we learn in the next few days, nothing will take away what he did in the ring.


i cannot believe some of you right now.

[Doctor Z]

Knife for the murders, pills for the suicide. Hanging for the suicide. Bunch of possibilities.

Don't forget, the guy is trained in CHOKE HOLDS.

The article says no one was shot or stabbed. Honestly, I'd feel wrong prematurely agreeing with the first report that says he killed his family. I guess we'll all know for sure in the coming 24-48 hours.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

this sucks, He was a gr8 Wrestler, best in the WWE

Quiet Guy, with a Cute Former Valet Wife. I Hope he wouldnt tarnish his Hall of Fame Career, by a Double Murder-Suicide.

:king:

[madsweeney]

Remember, whenever something like this happens, never take any information that comes out in the first 24 hours (48 hours to be safe) as fact. One guy says murder-suicide, the other says homicide, but it could really just be something as sad as CO poisoning. Until they've had time to work the scene over and do the autopsies, nothing is certain.

[MikeB]

Knife for the murders, pills for the suicide. Hanging for the suicide. Bunch of possibilities.

Don't forget, the guy is trained in CHOKE HOLDS.

choke out your own kid? This whole story is full of "there is no way he would do that" and I think that is going to continue into the night and tomorrow.

[El Mudo]

And I remember JR announcing during the show that the house was brand new...


If that's the case, I'm thinking more along the lines of Monoxide or a gas leak

[celery]

from pwtorch.com:

The latest report from the AP includes information told to the FOX affiliate in Atlanta that investigators believe Chris Benoit killed his wife, Nancy, and son, Daniel, sometime over the weekend before returning home and killing himself on Monday.

The report continues that concerned neighbors alerted police to theBenoit residence, where the bodies were found in three separate rooms.The evidence from the crime scene still needs to be analyzed, andofficial cause of deaths will not be known until Tuesday, at theearliest. Investigators are officially investigating the deaths as ahomicide and possible murder-suicide.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=3594146&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

from Metlzer:

"Sources in the Fayette County Police Department are now working under the theory that Chris Benoit killed Nancy on Saturday, son Daniel on Sunday, and then killed himself earlier today."

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20003

[BeltOfScotch]

right one Sailor. My cousin was killed in 1999 and no one told us shit for a few days. If WWE had not done the show like this tonight, people would be outraged. no matter what we learn in the next few days, nothing will take away what he did in the ring.


i cannot believe some of you right now.

Don's right. WWE had no choice to do what they did. It will obviously look bad from a PR perspective if these reports are true and Benoit killed them, but that's nothing but hindsight on everyone's part.

And Matty I gotta disagree on the company somehow going out of business. Even if it's the absolute worst case scenario, Benoit deliberately murdering his wife and son, then killing himself and steroids being in his system, WWE is not going out of business.

[weekapaugjz]

And I remember JR announcing during the show that the house was brand new...


If that's the case, I'm thinking more along the lines of Monoxide or a gas leak

don't get tenbats going on this again...

[Devo37]

just read that it's now assumed to be murder-suicide. horrible news. not that i knew anything about him except seeing him wrestle, but benoit always seemed like a good guy.

i am sad.

[Snacks]

right one Sailor. My cousin was killed in 1999 and no one told us shit for a few days. If WWE had not done the show like this tonight, people would be outraged. no matter what we learn in the next few days, nothing will take away what he did in the ring.


i cannot believe some of you right now.

you sure about that? OJ Simpson was a much bigger celeb and one of the greatest football players ever. Everything he has done on the football field seems to be forgotten, by most.

And he wasnt even found guilty (we all know he is guilty)

And I remember JR announcing during the show that the house was brand new...


If that's the case, I'm thinking more along the lines of Monoxide or a gas leak

Gas can be smelled so I doubt it was gas. And if it was something else like this then I would bet he had those fire detectors that pick up all gases. Any new home would require that before people move it or before it passes inspection and C.O's issued.

Don's right. WWE had no choice to do what they did. It will obviously look bad from a PR perspective if these reports are true and Benoit killed them, but that's nothing but hindsight on everyone's part.

And Matty I gotta disagree on the company somehow going out of business. Even if it's the absolute worst case scenario, Benoit deliberately murdering his wife and son, then killing himself and steroids being in his system, WWE is not going out of business.

I agree, even if the worse case had happened you cant blame them for still appreciating their friend. People make mistakes. Sometimes the most awful mistakes, but if your a true friend sometimes you need to forgive your friends for the mistakes they have done.

I just think they should have waited for details before doing a show like that tonight. I dont watch wwe but they should have cancelled tonights show and did a memorial show after all was known.

[OralForTheChef]

Two really bad thoughts....

1) Could you imagine a scenario where someone who spoke on his behalf tonight shoots on him during a live show if it is true that he is a wife/child murderer?

2) Does this make his crippler-crossface a taboo move for a good while?

[Dash77]

This news came as such a shock, & he was one of the top guys in the game, it's sad to see these things happen..

[Don Stugots]

you sure about that? OJ impson was a much bigger celeb and one of the greatest football players ever. Everything he has done on the football field seems to be forgotten, by most.

And he wasnt even found guilty (we all know he is guilty)

OJ is a bit different in regards that he was in movies and commercials and sat on a companies board of directors (if i remember correctly). But, the murder aside he was a great football player. No one could take that from him. Period. I wont wear his jersey but....

[Tenbatsuzen]

from Metlzer:

"Sources in the Fayette County Police Department are now working under the theory that Chris Benoit killed Nancy on Saturday, son Daniel on Sunday, and then killed himself earlier today."

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20003

Good God. and how was YOUR weekend?

If that's the case - if the rigor mortis shows that there was a discernible amount of time between the three killings - then christ almighty, this is really, really bad.

[Snacks]

OJ is a bit different in regards that he was in movies and commercials and sat on a companies board of directors (if i remember correctly). But, the murder aside he was a great football player. No one could take that from him. Period. I wont wear his jersey but....

Would you buy a dvd with his greatest football games or anything else of OJ's?

Now I ask you the same question about Benoit. If its true that he killed his wife and kid would you buy a dvd based on his greatest moves or buy posters, magazines or anything else based on his wwe career?

I would really like to see if people are consistant. When people talk about OJ they talk with so much hate and discust. I wonder if people will act and talk the same way about Benoit if what has been reported is true? I think what OJ did was just horrible, but killing your own son is one notch up.

[ScottiePP7]

I have been meaning to join this board for about a year and get involved in the great community and I choose tonight to join.

I just wanted to post my thoughts on the whole thing, being an avid wrestling fan...

It just seems so shocking to me (and from reading, others) that he was cable of something like this.
When it comes down to it, we know nothing about him. It's like if an actor did it, if George Clooney was implicated in something like this I know I wouldn't be half as shocked. I would (wrongly) pass it off as another crazy actor.

It is probably because for 10 years now this character has come into my home as the same guy, every week. It is almost like you believe the character is the man. It is hard to separate them and I think with wrestlers it's even harder. I often try to remember that Vince isn't a 100% jerk like he is on TV but its hard. Tonight when we saw Edge, I was reminded of how hard he heard it in every city when he slept with his friends girlfriend (Lita) and at the time I loved it. Tonight I was reminded he is just some dude who made a mistake and was getting screamed at for it by 30,000 people a week...it's no wonder Lita left the business.

So after my long rant I guess my point is that we really don't know these people and can't begin to think we do but it boils down to the fact that they are just like you and me.
Some are saints, most aren't. Some are on the complete other side of the spectrum , most aren't. They are just every day people trying to make a life for themselves and sometimes they make mistakes, and sadly sometimes they make tragic ones....just like normal people

Also as I was typing that I refreshed wrestlezone.com:

Sources in the Fayette County Police Department are now working under the theory that Chris Benoit killed Nancy on Saturday, son Daniel on Sunday, and then killed himself earlier today.

Benoit was found dead in his weight room. Nancy was found dead in the living room. Daniel was found dead in his bedroom, accordig t an unnamed source in the department.

Lt. Tommy Pope told ABC News "the instruments of death were located on the scene," but didn't specify what those were or where they were found. Pope said the department was not actively searching for any suspects outside the house.

[Don Stugots]

Would you buy a dvd with his greatest football games or anything else of OJ's?

Now I ask you the same question about Benoit. If its true that he killed his wife and kid would you buy a dvd based on his greatest moves or buy posters, magazines or anything else based on his wwe career?

OJ DVD, no, only because i am not a football fan

Benoit DVD, yes i would.

[CYYYFYYY]

IF Beniot did in fact kill his wife and child I would not get his DVDs or anything. I know the wrestler and the man are two different things but if you support the wrestler you are supporting the man. Beniot of course used steroids. He had veins popping out of his head. People keep saying he was a good guy. WHY??? Because he was a good guy in wrestling. Because he was a technician. We will always now feel funny if this is in fact true watching an old tape of him and hearing he is the crippler.

[PapaBear]

One of the weirdest things is the time he took to do this. Most murder-suicides are pretty quick, from what I understand. I know the suicide sometimes happens after a day or two, but to kill his wife and kid a day apart? I hope his son didn't know about his mom all that time.

[xample]

Having a hard time wrap my head around this one....

I know a lot of people will come out and say that he was their favorite and this and that..... but the man was respected world-wide regardless... a great competitor and wrestler, this is certainly going to shake the industry.

I will miss him

[Friday]

all this shows is that you can never know someone until you live a day in their shoes.

and the last people who will let themselves be truly known to the everyday joe shmoe are public figures. they only let go what they want you to know. all else is speculation and adopted feelings based on media coverage.

who knows what was going on in this guys private life. noone will ever know.
anyone is capable of anything when given a supportive environment...

[NickyL0885]

i wonder, like........if this is all true that he killed his wife an kid, i guess we'll never know WHY he did it. also, how does he even go about killing his..what? 7-8 yr kid? i mean......how could anyone do that, especially someone like him. someones who a notorious killer is one thing, but someone like him.......just........doesnt make sense.

[MikeB]

anytime you hear of all these things happening you have to think, if most of what we are hearing is true, it sounds like a husband finding out his wife is leaving him. But then you hear he had kids from another marriage.

[NickyL0885]

Also, WWE.com has updated and said that the Fayette Sheriffs office said its Double Murder Suicide. But, even though WWE knows how it happened and causes of death, the sheriffs department told them not to release that info yet.

[Doctor Z]

"Sources in the Fayette County Police Department are now working under the theory that Chris Benoit killed Nancy on Saturday, son Daniel on Sunday, and then killed himself earlier today."

Here's the thing... When something grisly like this happens (ie - Ronald DeFeo, Son of Sam, etc.) it almost always involves someone who was clinically mentally deranged, usually schizophrenic. If the murder is committed in a fit of rage, like OJ, then it is usually done quickly and the killer soon comes to realize what they've done and enters a state of panic. Only someone who is severely mentally disturbed would drag such a horrific act out over 3 days. I just don't understand it.

[OralForTheChef]

What are the chances that he used a steel chair?

[Doctor Z]

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n35/n175062.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

Here's the thing... When something grisly like this happens (ie - Ronald DeFeo, Son of Sam, etc.) it almost always involves someone who was clinically mentally deranged, usually schizophrenic. If the murder is committed in a fit of rage, like OJ, then it is usually done quickly and the killer soon comes to realize what they've done and enters a state of panic. Only someone who is severely mentally disturbed would drag such a horrific act out over 3 days. I just don't understand it.

Bingo. Exactly that. If the time frame is what they said - and depending on how he killed Nancy - there is an excellent chance that the kid could have discovered the corpse of Nancy or saw that something was going on.

When I posted my theory before, I said that a killer may sometimes kill their child in a fit of panic because if they've killed the other parent, they realize that the child "will never live a normal life" and "ends their suffering".

This was not the case. This was completely, totally premeditated. I can't sleep because I don't want to think about it going to sleep.

Chris didn't take steps to hide the body. He just... left her there. Jesus.

[MikeB]

Also, WWE.com has updated and said that the Fayette Sheriffs office said its Double Murder Suicide. But, even though WWE knows how it happened and causes of death, the sheriffs department told them not to release that info yet.
The odd text msgs sent sunday really stuck out to me. So he wasnt in Texas this weekend.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Steve Sommers on WFAN just mentioned the story and of course, brought up steroids.

BTW, it's a slow news week. With the pregnant woman found dead, this is your new tragedy du jour.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The odd text msgs sent sunday really stuck out to me. So he wasnt in Texas this weekend.

From what I'm piecing together, he wasn't on the road with the WWE at all this weekend. He was supposed to show up for the Saturday house show and never did.

[OralForTheChef]

This is a curious tidbit from WWE.COM....

"WWE.com has further information relating to both the investigation and the cause of death, but the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department has requested that WWE.com not release any additional details at this time."

[HBox]

I wonder if WWE found out about these details mid-show. That would have made things......... awkward.

[MikeB]

I wonder what they do on ECW tonight. Early monday night I thought run a couple of classic Beniot matches for the OG ECW but I dunno now.

[MikeB]

BTW, it's a slow news week. With the pregnant woman found dead, this is your new tragedy du jour.
I seriously doubt it will even come close to that story. This was is not even on drudge yet.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I wonder if WWE found out about these details mid-show. That would have made things......... awkward.

The press conference was at 10pm EST. So... yes.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I seriously doubt it will even come close to that story. This was is not even on drudge yet.

Guarantee it'll be on there for the early morning news cycle. Don't forget, took 2 days for O&A and Homeless Charlie to hit Drudge.

[PapaBear]

I wonder if WWE found out about these details mid-show. That would have made things......... awkward.
Think about the part toward the end of the show tonight... When they suddenly brought up (uncomfortably, it appeared to me) about how we shouldn't forget his wife and son. A little bit before that, Tenbats brought up how they hadn't really talked much about his wife so far. Then they said that toward the end. I have a feeling they actually did learn the truth during the broadcast.

[CruelCircus]

I wonder if WWE found out about these details mid-show. That would have made things......... awkward.

I was thinking that after William Regal spoke. He seemed to hint that he changed his mind about what he wanted to say.

[Doctor Z]

Does anybody have video of Vince's appearance at the beginning of Raw? I really wanna see this now.

[MikeB]

Guarantee it'll be on there for the early morning news cycle. Don't forget, took 2 days for O&A and Homeless Charlie to hit Drudge.

Don't be silly those are two different types of stories. It might be on the morning news cycle but it unless some sort of fuel is added to this fire I don't see the cable news shows spending at least two breaks on this story. Miss Elizabeth, obviously a different type of story, got nothing in terms of coverage and she was a WAY bigger pop culture star than Benoit.

[Doctor Z]

Found it:
Opening to RAW - 6/25/07 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTNBRQJZA_s)

Very creepy at the end, when you see him hugging and kissing his wife and youngest son...

[MikeB]

ya gotta think that he might of sent malenko a txt msg.

[waltermitty]

From WAGA TV Atlanta---
Detective Bo Turner told television station WAGA that the case was being treated as a murder-suicide, but said that couldn't be confirmed until evidence was examined by a crime lab.
The station said that investigators believe the 40-year-old Benoit killed his wife, Nancy, and 7-year-old son, Daniel, over the weekend, then himself on Monday. A neighbor called police, and the bodies were found in three rooms.

[Dirtbag]

Don't be silly those are two different types of stories. It might be on the morning news cycle but it unless some sort of fuel is added to this fire I don't see the cable news shows spending at least two breaks on this story. Miss Elizabeth, obviously a different type of story, got nothing in terms of coverage and she was a WAY bigger pop culture star than Benoit.Well, if she was murdered in 1988, yes. Benoit was still an active wrestler near the top of the biggest promotion. And if all this ridiculous garbage is true, it'll make for a much better story for the news anyway.

[sailor]

Would you buy a dvd with his greatest football games or anything else of OJ's?

Now I ask you the same question about Benoit. If its true that he killed his wife and kid would you buy a dvd based on his greatest moves or buy posters, magazines or anything else based on his wwe career?

I would really like to see if people are consistant. When people talk about OJ they talk with so much hate and discust. I wonder if people will act and talk the same way about Benoit if what has been reported is true? I think what OJ did was just horrible, but killing your own son is one notch up.

while similar, they're still very different. benoit (if these theories are true) was fucked up in the head. plus, he also killed himself. that there shows how fucked up he is. oj on the other hand, did not kill himself. oj has made a farce of looking for the real killers on the golf courses of the world and bangin' 20 year old bimbos.

[oh_kee_pa]

This is a curious tidbit from WWE.COM....

"WWE.com has further information relating to both the investigation and the cause of death, but the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department has requested that WWE.com not release any additional details at this time."

that basically means, "keep checking our site driving up our hit count until you realize we wont be releasing any more info til late tonight"

[cougarjake13]

man its just fucked up

watching beniot and guerrero celebrate in the ring a wm 20 and they're both dead

[PhishHead]

What a fucking loser. Rot in hell child killer.


The guy was an amazing wrestler.. big deal?

he slaughtered his family.

It erases his legacy.

Fuck em.

Rot in hell....

you people praise someone worse than OJ. Hypocrites.

Im saving my prayers for Americans and others being killed in a pointless war. Not a junky wrestler who kills his wife and son.

Most of the praise people in this thread gave was before certain details were released. And to be honest not all the details are out yet so who the hell knows what exactly happened.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Don't be silly those are two different types of stories. It might be on the morning news cycle but it unless some sort of fuel is added to this fire I don't see the cable news shows spending at least two breaks on this story. Miss Elizabeth, obviously a different type of story, got nothing in terms of coverage and she was a WAY bigger pop culture star than Benoit.

Miss Elizabeth was retired and out of the public spotlight for at least 4-5 years before she died of a drug overdose.

Benoit KILLED HIS FAMILY and the killed himself, and we don't even know all the details yet.

It's frontpage on Yahoo. It's not Drudge, but I think in terms of people seeing it, a lot more people will see it there than on Drudge.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The prosecutor has said that when the details emerge, they'll be "a little bizzare."

I'm not even sure I want to know what can be more bizzare than a man driven to kill his wife and kid and then himself.

[El Mudo]

Its also on ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2916498)

[El Mudo]

And its also front page on Fox News

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I honestly don't know what to think in all of this. This is a dark day in pro wrestling.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wasn't Nancy recovering from some pretty serious back or neck surgery? I remember reading somewhere that Chris had gone home to tend to her.

(this was before all this broke - like a month or two ago.)

[MM2]

The wife killed the son, called Chris, Chris came home to see his son dead then killed his wife, and then obviously killed himself. Supposedly there is a suicide note from Chris explaining everything.

[Dan G]

The wife killed the son, called Chris, Chris came home to see his son dead then killed his wife, and then obviously killed himself. Supposedly there is a suicide note from Chris explaining everything.

Source?

[MadMatt]

The wife killed the son, called Chris, Chris came home to see his son dead then killed his wife, and then obviously killed himself. Supposedly there is a suicide note from Chris explaining everything.

Is this legit? Where did you get your info?

[BeltOfScotch]

The wife killed the son, called Chris, Chris came home to see his son dead then killed his wife, and then obviously killed himself. Supposedly there is a suicide note from Chris explaining everything.

That would explain the "bizarre" comment from the prosecutor

[ShapopoJoe]

The wife killed the son, called Chris, Chris came home to see his son dead then killed his wife, and then obviously killed himself. Supposedly there is a suicide note from Chris explaining everything.


Sources please...

[MM2]

Source?

The Junkies said it was from TMZ I think.

[MM2]

They also said the son was suffocated with a plastic bag, Nancy had an extension cord around her neck, and Chris hung himself.

[MM2]

I don't know if its legit, I just heard it on the Junkies. I think they said it was from TMZ but I didn't check.

[epo]

This is just depressing all the way around. uggh.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Original reports were saying that Nancy died FIRST though.

Although, if this is true (Nancy killed the kid and Chris killed Nancy) I feel a little better about the situation. Not much, but it's better than Chris killing both of them for no discernible reason.

[MadMatt]

TMZ has the same vague crap as everybody else. After you page through the hundreds of photos/stories of Paris Hilton being released, there is a short blurb about Benoit. Essentially the same statement everbody else has - the situation is under investigation.

[BeltOfScotch]

It looks like this story about Benoit finding his kid dead and then killing his wife is coming from the comments section of the TMZ.com story about the situation. The TMZ story has no new info.

I've given up on speculating about what happened and who did what and who died first. None of it really matters. When the police are ready to say what happened, they'll tell everyone. Anything that comes out before that has little value, and people's judgments based on that information are worth even less.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

time will tell, I hope Benoit was taking revenge for his son being murdered, then relizing his whole family is Dead, getting depressed and then killing himslef

I wish Benoit doesnt come out of this as a Double Murderer, a Kid Murderer and the weakest of all a Suicide where He doesnt have to take responsability for his actions

:king:

[Team_Ramrod]

right one Sailor. My cousin was killed in 1999 and no one told us shit for a few days. If WWE had not done the show like this tonight, people would be outraged. no matter what we learn in the next few days, nothing will take away what he did in the ring.


i cannot believe some of you right now.

I agree Stu... Tenbats is appauling for throwing out his little comments... some people have no class.

I came across RAW last night when King and JR were recapping the opening... I was a little confused as to why Vince was in the ring... then I seen that they were remembering Benoit. Unfortunately I didnt think of carbon monoxide or a home invasion gone wrong. There was something inside of me that suggested this was the case... I just didn't know who the agressor was.

Honestly, the whole situation breaks my heart. There are issues at play that I'm sure we'll never know about and the lack of this information will cause all of us to draw our own unfounded conclusions.

For those of you who are seeking more information you may want to try the Calgary Sun Website. They have always been big supporters of the Stampede Wrestlers and I can almost gaurantee there will be loads of information on there.

I have nothing else to say.... It's a horrible horrible incident.

[spadanko]

From what I'm piecing together, he wasn't on the road with the WWE at all this weekend. He was supposed to show up for the Saturday house show and never did.


"allegedly" he called out for the weekend shows because of "family emergency"

so sad

[spadanko]

man its just fucked up

watching beniot and guerrero celebrate in the ring a wm 20 and they're both dead

i was thinking the same thing. An AWESOME moment, now they are both tragically gone

[Tenbatsuzen]

I agree Stu... Tenbats is appauling for throwing out his little comments... some people have no class.

1) If you're going to use a 25 cent word like that, you may want to make sure it's spelled right.

2) I have "no class" because I'm trying to theorize what happened? It's not like I'm making jokes. People are scratching their heads trying to figure out what happened. There was a lot if misinformation in this thread (i.e. the "confirmation" of a "gas leak" from "atlanta police") so I was trying to work through it.

[reillyluck]

What a fucking loser. Rot in hell child killer.


The guy was an amazing wrestler.. big deal?

he slaughtered his family.

It erases his legacy.

Fuck em.

Rot in hell....

you people praise someone worse than OJ. Hypocrites.

Im saving my prayers for Americans and others being killed in a pointless war. Not a junky wrestler who kills his wife and son.


maybe you should find out the facts before you go off wishing people to hell. there ARE NO FACTS out there to assume anything as of yet, only "what might have happened".
youre joining in with the hypocrites just like everyone else "speculating without facts".

I do not condone what might have happened, but for people to start bashing him before they know what the fuck they are talking is just rediculous. this isnt a gimic, its reality.

[Marc with a c]

maybe you should find out the facts before you go off wishing people to hell. there ARE NO FACTS out there to assume anything as of yet, only "what might have happened".
youre joining in with the hypocrites just like everyone else "speculating without facts".

I do not condone what might have happened, but for people to start bashing him before they know what the fuck they are talking is just rediculous. this isnt a gimic, its reality.

fuck you.

i hope you go to hell.

[reillyluck]

fuck you.

i hope you go to hell.

im not taking a phucking cruise with you, so lets just drop it, ok?

[Marc with a c]

im not taking a phucking cruise with you, so lets just drop it, ok?

weekend at a bed and breakfast?

[BoondockSaint]

From CNN: (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/26/wrestler.death.reut/)


Investigators have not disclosed exactly how the three died. But Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard said investigators were not seeking any suspects outside the home where Benoit apparently took his own life after killing his wife and son.

[ScottFromGA]

that basically means, "keep checking our site driving up our hit count until you realize we wont be releasing any more info til late tonight"

I don't see how you can get that from the WWE website team. They do not have access to a criminal investigation......

even if you was joking, its a little uncalled for at this time.....:down:

[Bob Impact]

Holy shit. This just gets worse.

[Friday]

Holy shit. This just gets worse.

Which do you mean... the Situation, or this awful thread?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Which do you mean... the Situation, or this awful thread?

Situation's more awful than the thread. Relatively speaking, we've kept it pretty civil.

[Bob Impact]

Situation's more awful than the thread. Relatively speaking, we've kept it pretty civil.

Exactly. Just read a report that there was no gun involved, which seems to me like it's going to make it worse. This is really bothering me, i've been really sentimental during my illness recently and spent a good amount of time watching old Benoit tapes. This is going to ruin all of that. Obviously I understand that that's the smallest possible issue here, I can't believe this happened. Fucking insane.

[Justice4all]

What it boils down to is, we will not know for several days what exactly happened. The autopsy takes days to be exact. So until then we sit and wait to find out who died first, who killed who, and so on and so forth.

It is apparent that Benoit did kill someone then himself. That is a sad sad tragedy. But I am going to hold off on wishing ANYONE to hell until we find out what happened.

But if Vince thinks all is hunky-dory in his little orginazation after THIS little incident the man is out of his mind!

[Chimee]

I just noticed that wwe.com has taken down all of the Chris Benoit tribute stuff. Right now the only thing on the front page about it is the story itself.

[Bob Impact]

I just noticed that wwe.com has taken down all of the Chris Benoit tribute stuff. Right now the only thing on the front page about it is the story itself.

It's just the main story now, they're going with the other storylines that were ongoing on the right, probably the smartest thing for them to do.

[Tazz]

From what I read on pwinsider.com and checked out for myself, they also removed all references and materials from the shopzone. His matches and name have been removed from all of the DVD listings also.

[JPMNICK]

this is from TMZ, so take it for what it's worth

Several Atlanta-based law enforcement sources have told TMZ Benoit may have strangled his wife on Saturday, then smothered his son in his bed a day later. Investigators refuse to officially comment, pending final confirmation on the cause and time of the deaths by the coroner.

According to sources, Benoit then hanged himself Monday in a weight room inside the family home.

[ScottFromGA]

this is from TMZ, so take it for what it's worth

Several Atlanta-based law enforcement sources have told TMZ Benoit may have strangled his wife on Saturday, then smothered his son in his bed a day later. Investigators refuse to officially comment, pending final confirmation on the cause and time of the deaths by the coroner.

According to sources, Benoit then hanged himself Monday in a weight room inside the family home.


terrible......just terrible......:down:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

this is from TMZ, so take it for what it's worth

Several Atlanta-based law enforcement sources have told TMZ Benoit may have strangled his wife on Saturday, then smothered his son in his bed a day later. Investigators refuse to officially comment, pending final confirmation on the cause and time of the deaths by the coroner.

According to sources, Benoit then hanged himself Monday in a weight room inside the family home.

wow , just wow

But Ill wait until real facts are given to the Public before I respond

:king:

[Chimee]

From what I read on pwinsider.com and checked out for myself, they also removed all references and materials from the shopzone. His matches and name have been removed from all of the DVD listings also.

Unless I'm mistaken, they've also taken his profile down.

[ralphbxny]

When I saw this on ESPNEWS this morning it ruined the start of my day. I couldnt believe it. I cant speak for Beniot as a person, but as a wrestler he was incredible. A great performer and I will miss seeing him. The man was great in the ring.

[spadanko]

WWE chairman Vince McMahon broke the current storyline - in which his character had been killed - to introduce a tribute for last nights telecast. The tribute, which now seems out of place especially as it shows Benoit hugging his wife and son, was aired before details were leaked indicating that Benoit killed his family. Wrestling site Rajah.com reports that WWE has pulled all Benoit merchandise from its online store and has begun to purge his name from the record books. Benoit's name has been removed from the DVD description of WrestleMania XX. It now says, "Triple H defends his World Heavyweight Championship against Shawn Michaels." In reality, that was a triple threat match between Triple H, Michaels and Benoit that Benoit won to become WWE Champion.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I think this sums up tonight as well (an article from PWTorch.com)

The Day After: Chris Benoit is dead, and Georgia police investigators believe that the popular wrestler killed himself after killing his wife and seven year old son. Those are the facts. They're unlikely to change today.

Unfortunately for World Wrestling Entertainment, time doesn't stand still. The promotion is set to tape Smackdown tonight in San Antonio. Even worse, they're also scheduled to go live with an ECW television show on the SciFi network.

Obviously, WWE did the right thing last night by sending the fans and wrestlers home from the arena in Corpus Christi, Texas and turning their scheduled event into an impromptu tribute for Benoit. Even though people in the promotion had a strong suspicion Benoit could be the murderer, nobody associated with WWE wanted to believe their former coworker was capable of the act.

Still, you had to feel for Jim Ross, Jerry Lawler, John Layfield and their coworkers, who left a draining three-hour live tribute show only to hear that the man they just eulogized is the prime suspect in a murder-suicide.

And that takes us to tonight. The building in San Antonio will be full of professional wrestling fans who haven't fully processed Benoit's death and won't know to react. There is no appropriate crowd reaction. Signs honoring Benoit are going to be as inappropriate as signing condemning Benoit to hell. It is hard to imagine fans being distracted from the saga by the Johnny Nitro-CM Punk feud, or the latest sequence of developments with Kelly Kelly and Brooke battling over The Miz.

All things considered, maybe WWE ought to drop the live ECW hour tonight and run a taped show summarizing the current ECW storylines, with a short explanation of the Benoit situation at the top of the hour. Anything screwy that happens during the Smackdown tapings can be fixed in post-production, but it is hard to imagine a live episode of ECW that won't be completely overshadowed by what happened in Atlanta over the past twenty-four hours.

[reillyluck]

The Big Question Right Now Should Be

where Is The Other Son?????????????????

[King Hippos Bandaid]

The Big Question Right Now Should Be

where Is The Other Son?????????????????


in Canada He Had 2 Sons from another Marriage, they live in Canada
Only One from this Marriage

:king:

[spadanko]

cnn.com

A law enforcement official close to the investigation tells The Associated Press that pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room.

[reillyluck]

in Canada He Had 2 Sons from another Marriage, they live in Canada
Only One from this Marriage

:king:

AHHHHHHH. that explains it. thanks.

[Tenbatsuzen]

cnn.com

A law enforcement official close to the investigation tells The Associated Press that pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room.

I just want to play wait and see. The news has screwed up breaking stories before. I'm not going to praise the man, I just want to know what happened.

I think the WWE is doing the right thing, basically acting like Benoit never existed. Whether he killed Daniel or Nancy killed Daniel, Chris still killed Nancy and you have to get yourself distance from that.

[MikeB]

cnn.com

A law enforcement official close to the investigation tells The Associated Press that pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room.

The strange thing there is still a lot left to learn. What caused Benoit to return home? What were the text msgs and to who? Why did the neighbor call the police? What was in Benoit's system?

I watched all of the first hour of raw and switched back over every now and then. It seemed after that first hour they started replaying certian things from the first hour. Were they going to do more for the tribute and then they found out about some of the rest of the story?

[topless_mike]

for me, they all are gone by accident until its officially released otherwise.

i just saw my son during lunch (2yrs old), and he always gets so happy and gives lots of hugs and kisses when he sees me.
now matter how hard i tried, this story ran through my mind. i kept saying to myself why would anyone do something like this (supposedly) to their child?
heartbreaking.....


anyhoo. im glad vince came out and did what he did. it was a stupid storyline that he was running, and there's a time for fun/games, and a time for seriousness.

[MikeB]

for me, they all are gone by accident until its officially released otherwise.

i just saw my son during lunch (2yrs old), and he always gets so happy and gives lots of hugs and kisses when he sees me.
now matter how hard i tried, this story ran through my mind. i kept saying to myself why would anyone do something like this (supposedly) to their child?
heartbreaking.....


anyhoo. im glad vince came out and did what he did. it was a stupid storyline that he was running, and there's a time for fun/games, and a time for seriousness.
That is a great point with the story. How could anyone do that to their own kid? Which leads me to believe there is a lot more to this story.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That is a great point with the story. How could anyone do that to their own kid? Which leads me to believe there is a lot more to this story.

Ask Susan Smith. Ask Scott Peterson. Ask Andrea Yates.

I just cannot comprehend what would cause a person to have a break like this, unless they were hiding their problems very well. In that case, Benoit is a sociopath.

[ralphbxny]

That is a great point with the story. How could anyone do that to their own kid? Which leads me to believe there is a lot more to this story.

agreed. I am still shocked by this whole story!

[MikeB]

Ask Susan Smith. Ask Scott Peterson. Ask Andrea Yates.

I just cannot comprehend what would cause a person to have a break like this, unless they were hiding their problems very well. In that case, Benoit is a sociopath.

Stop it matt. Yates is the only one that makes sense in that comparison.

[BoondockSaint]

From Newsday: (http://www.amny.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usbenoit0626,0,5254778.story?coll=am-topheadlines)

Authorities also said they are investigating whether steroids may have been a factor in the deaths of Benoit, his wife and their 7-year-old son who were found dead in an apparent murder-suicide.

[MikeB]

Press Conference at 3 eastern. AP reports all that has been brought up and now that they are looking in to see if steriods were involved.

[Bob Impact]

Stop it matt. Yates is the only one that makes sense in that comparison.

Susan Smith killed her two sons.

[johnniehardrock]

This is just totally insane. I wish the boys were on to talk about this one.

[MikeB]

yes. She let her car roll into the water with them in it. That is way different then sticking a pillow over a 7 year olds head as he fights back for his life against his parent.

[feralBoy]

yes. She let her car roll into the water with them in it. That is way different then sticking a pillow over a 7 year olds head as he fights back for his life against his parent.

Don't you think that's all conjecture? The fact that you don't know whether he smothered his kid with a pillow and he was fighting back for life, and that letting a car roll into water and watching your kids die is a totally different scenario?

[Doctor Z]

A law enforcement official close to the investigation tells The Associated Press that pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room.
I didn't major in crime scene forensics, but I'm just confused as to how they could possibly know what order the murders took place in? How does one distinguish whether it was Chris killing both, or the mother killing the kid, then Chris killing his wife. The latter theory just makes so much more sense.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I still can't imagine what it was like for them to go through the tribute broadcast and then find out information that the very man you're paying tribute to may have been the cause of the tragedy. I'm still feeling awkward about it. It's very hard to separate what he's done in the ring to the recent moments. While very accomplished, it's all going to be disregarded because of what happened, and it's a shame that everything had to turn out the way it did.

[BoondockSaint]

I didn't major in crime scene forensics, but I'm just confused as to how they could possibly know what order the murders took place in? How does one distinguish whether it was Chris killing both, or the mother killing the kid, then Chris killing his wife. The latter theory just makes so much more sense.


They think the mother was killed Saturday, the son on Sunday and then he hung himself Monday.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I didn't major in crime scene forensics, but I'm just confused as to how they could possibly know what order the murders took place in? How does one distinguish whether it was Chris killing both, or the mother killing the kid, then Chris killing his wife. The latter theory just makes so much more sense.

A body that has been dead for 24 hours is a lot different than a body that has been dead for 48. You can tell how the blood pools inside the body, the amount of rigor mortis, etc. They can also tell with fingerprints, ligature marks, etc.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This is just totally insane. I wish the boys were on to talk about this one.

Johnny, you know as well as I do that Fez would be a sobbing heap right now if they were on the air. This is one time I'm glad they aren't on.

[MikeB]

Don't you think that's all conjecture? The fact that you don't know whether he smothered his kid with a pillow and he was fighting back for life, and that letting a car roll into water and watching your kids die is a totally different scenario?
Why don't you call out everyone elses conjectures in this thread. The A.P. is reporting he smothered his kid with a pillow. And based on what I know about life if you are sleeping and you have a pillow smothering you you are going to wake up and try to live.

My point was they are two different scenarios. Thanks.

[Snacks]

yes. She let her car roll into the water with them in it. That is way different then sticking a pillow over a 7 year olds head as he fights back for his life against his parent.

sounds to me that they are all the same? Whenever someone, man or women kills their spouse and or their child there was something wrong. Meds, mental problems, an accident during a fight, etc. There is no difference unless it is thought out, planned, cold blooded murder.

If the story is true on how the deaths happened, then he is no different then OJ (maybe worse b/c he killed his kid and himself) no different then Scott Petterson and no different then anyone else who had mental problems or just snapped for a moment (even though he couldnt have snapped b/c he did all 3 killings over the course of 3 days, so he may have snapped for the 1st and knew what he was doing for the 2nd and himself).

IMO you can seperate the 2, his wwe career and how he ended his life. You can respect what he did in the ring, but not in his personal life. But please dont be a hypocrite. This has showed me that people will only be forgiving when it was a celeb/person they like or something they are interested in. If its someone they didnt know or never liked then they will not be as forgiving or understanding. They will just be hateful.

This is a very sad story, I wish the best for his other 2 kids.

[MikeB]

Bill Apter from 1wrestling was just on fox news. They cut him off somewhat shortly to go to some live video of a car being stuck in some water.

I only caught the end of it but he sounded as you expected. Pretty much saying steriods was a problem of the old days, not now.


Colin Cowheard ripped on the WWE and wrestling fans today. I am sure a transcript will be up on the wrestling sites. Everyone of his points in my mind were spot on.

[feralBoy]

Why don't you call out everyone elses conjectures in this thread. The A.P. is reporting he smothered his kid with a pillow. And based on what I know about life if you are sleeping and you have a pillow smothering you you are going to wake up and try to live.

My point was they are two different scenarios. Thanks.

I only called you out on it, because you acted like tenbats made an absurd suggestion when he compared this situation to susan smith, and scott peterson. And that's not absurd at all.

[Doctor Z]

I only caught the end of it but he sounded as you expected. Pretty much saying steriods was a problem of the old days, not now.
Yeah, sure...

http://www.ndown.com/images/pg1/hhh.jpg
http://timesnews.net/blogs/lane/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/chrismastersold.jpg
http://img.search.com/thumb/3/3f/Scott_Steiner.jpg/180px-Scott_Steiner.jpg

[MikeB]

sorry if someone has already posted this:
TMZ.com is reporting more details on the Benoit Family tragedy. According to a TMZ source, Benoit was texting friends during the Vengeance pay-per-view and may have watched the event with his son who may have still been alive at the time.
http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29049

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I loved when Ric Flair used to say

"Woman oh Woman, Wont you Marry Me Now"

This is Craziness, He was one of the last true Wrestlers

:king:

[MikeB]

Yeah, sure...

http://www.ndown.com/images/pg1/hhh.jpg
http://timesnews.net/blogs/lane/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/chrismastersold.jpg
http://img.search.com/thumb/3/3f/Scott_Steiner.jpg/180px-Scott_Steiner.jpg

He must of meant the Chris Masters of the old days (A year ago).

[MikeB]

The AP reported that law enforcement officials close to the investigation have confirmed the current belief that Chris Benoit strangled wife Nancy with an electrical chord on Saturday, smothered his son with a bag on Sunday and then hung himself in his basement/weight room on Monday.
http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=184888833
wow

[Crispy123]

That is a great point with the story. How could anyone do that to their own kid? Which leads me to believe there is a lot more to this story.

Conjecture is human nature, I dont see any reason to get mad when people do it, but we will probably never know the whole story.

[Friday]

This is just totally insane. I wish the boys were on to talk about this one.

AGREED.... they need vacay like we all do... but this is one i definitely would like to hear their takes on.

[Scottyflamingo]

Press conference any minute now. It doesn't look good...

[Doctor Z]

Press conference where? TV? Channel?

[Tenbatsuzen]

sorry if someone has already posted this:

http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29049

...so you're telling me they watched the PPV together with nancy's corpse in the next room over?

[MikeB]

cnn has a live camera there.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Press conference where? TV? Channel?

Foxnews.com, also Fox News Channel.

[reillyluck]

Press conference where? TV? Channel?

what he said.

can we get it online?

[Doctor Z]

CNN has an old guy talking about Iraq, and Fox News is reporting on the Cali wildfires. Am I being punk'd?

[Scottyflamingo]

3pm Eastern. CNN said they'd cut to it as soon as it happens. Guess they are running late.

[epo]

3pm Eastern. CNN said they'd cut to it as soon as it happens. Guess they are running late.

CNN just reiterated that point.

Xm 122 for those of you on radio.

[Doctor Z]

Gotcha. Just saw the tease. Thanks.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I'm waiting for it now on CNN. I really want some closure on this because it's just really all very awkward for me being that I was such a huge fan for Benoit but can't help think about all this changing my idea of him, even though he was one of the best if not THE best today.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm guessing that along with the erasing of Benoit from history, the crossface, the sharpshooter, the terms "choke them out" and the hangman spot are now gone from the WWE.

[Doctor Z]

Wow... This guy just blew the story. He said he killed himself on Saturday night or Sunday morning. Impossible, if Benoit was texting people during the PPV.

[MadBiker]

synopsis please? I cannot view the news..

[Crispy123]

Wow the homicides took place likely from Fri into Saturday. Asphyxiation is the cause of death. Both victims had Bibles placed next to them. Wifes hands and feet were bound. Prescription drugs found in the home.*


*I got this from the D.A. via MSNBC"


Bizarre indeed!

[reillyluck]

Wow... This guy just blew the story. He said he killed himself on Saturday night or Sunday morning. Impossible, if Benoit was texting people during the PPV.

see...this is exactly why i am not believing anything until i get the facts. Bananas.

[HBox]

see...this is exactly why i am not believing anything until i get the facts. Bananas.

These are the facts. This is the DA talking.

[Scottyflamingo]

*Sigh*

Worst case scenario. This sucks. This is so far worse than Eddie, because you can't even fondly remember his career now.

BTW, one of the news channels said Nancy had filed a restraining ordr in 2003.

[Friday]

These are the facts. This is the DA talking.

no link!

[Doctor Z]

These are the facts. This is the DA talking.

You would think/hope... But they clearly just stated that Benoit killed himself on Saturday night/Sunday morning, which isn't true... because corpses can't send text messages.

[HBox]

You would think/hope... But they clearly just stated that Benoit killed himself on Saturday night/Sunday morning, which isn't true... because corpses can't send text messages.

He was going off of the autopsy results.

[HBox]

no link!

The press conference just ended.

[feralBoy]

You would think/hope... But they clearly just stated that Benoit killed himself on Saturday night/Sunday morning, which isn't true... because corpses can't send text messages.

They also mentioned that whoever received the text messages, received them hours after they were sent.

[spadanko]

man this is getting worse and worse

[BeltOfScotch]

Wow... This guy just blew the story. He said he killed himself on Saturday night or Sunday morning. Impossible, if Benoit was texting people during the PPV.

The only reports where I've seen that he was texting people during the PPV were on wrestling websites. That gives them about zero credence in my mind compared to statements by the officials in charge of the investigation.

Text messages did come up during the press conference, they said he had sent a message to a co-worker (didn't give any names or information about the content), but that message was not received until some time later.

[Snacks]

ok fox news and their guests make me sick. They are using the roid rage as the reason this happened. They are saying That roid rage makes you go so crazy that you hear voices, even ones that say kill people. Are these "experts" nuts. I have seen roid rage and yes you go a little crazy for a few minutes at best. but I have never heard or read anywhere that you hear voices.

Now they are talking about how wrestling and other sports are so bad b/c they allow this shit to happen yada yada yada.

Just b/c one person goes nuts doesnt mean eveyone. Im so tired of people using one bad incedent to help them get rid of everything they dont like.

They are saying he had a prescription for the steroids so he was able to pass wwe tests b/c it was prescribed. But they then go on to say that all these drugs make you do this and that and if you drink then it makes it worse. What "the fuck " Ever.

This could happen with all drugs. Im so tired of people acting like all drugs arent the same. Well they are prescription and legal are all the same the only differnece is what the govt chooses to sell us. Any drug can have a bad reaction to anyone and alchol combined with even legal prescribed drugs can make you do stupid shit or loose your mind. It has to do with the idividual thats it.

To me what makes this story beyond fucked up is that he took 3 days to do it all and text messaged people that his kid was spitting up blood and he couldnt go to an event and that he and his son watched it together. Thats awful

[Friday]

Not to be too cynical... but I am starting to wonder how the *media * will handle this in terms of "wrestling being a violent sport" and the possibility of a steroids angle.
Will wrestling now be the new marked enemy of the month for parent groups and special interests?

Just wondering... please don't attack me. lol

[Friday]

SNACKS! We were typing at the same time! How Ironical.... :)

[TheMojoPin]

I saw a thread about this on one of the Cubs boards I go to and there they said it was reported that Benoit's Wikipedia entry was updated to mention his wife's death like 14 hours before it was actually reported. Anyone else hear something like this?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Not to be too cynical... but I am starting to wonder how the *media * will handle this in terms of "wrestling being a violent sport" and the possibility of a steroids angle.
Will wrestling now be the new marked enemy of the month for parent groups and special interests?

Just wondering... please don't attack me. lol

You get a gold star. If roids are found in Benoit's system, advertisers will flee from the WWE.

[Kevin]

The creepy part of all of this is that he watched vengeance with his kid, while Nancy was dead in the bedroom.. Then killing the kid.. Then he just sat there all night and then hung himself.. He had to have gone insane.. I can't think of anything else.. Usually when there is a double murder suicide, it all happens in a short period of time.. This one lasted almost 3 fucking days.. He had to have gone insane..

My only reasoning for him killing the kid is (and its not right) Is that he pob thought.. If i live, and leave the kid, i am going to jail for life.. Then the kid has to live parent less and with the notion that his dad the once legend loved wrestler, killed him mom.. If i kill myself, he will live with the notion that he did it and then killed himself.. I am not saying its right, i am just trying to find a way of thinking..

[HBox]

The DA said that according to the autopsies they were all dead by saturday night.

OK, I heard it wrong. Here it is from the latest news article: (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19424899/)

Benoit’s wife, Nancy, was killed Friday in an upstairs family room, her feet and wrists were bound and there was blood under her head, indicating a possible struggle, Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard said.The son, Daniel, was likely killed late Saturday or early Sunday, the body found in his bed, Ballard said.
Benoit apparently killed himself several hours and as long as a day later, Ballard said. His body was found in a downstairs weight room, hanging from the pulley of a piece of exercise equipment.
The prosecutor said he found it “bizarre” that the WWE wrestling star spread out the killings over a long weekend and appeared to remain in the house for up to a day with the bodies.

[Kevin]

The DA said that according to the autopsies they were all dead by saturday night.

Oh ok, makes more sense then..

[topless_mike]

Not to be too cynical... but I am starting to wonder how the *media * will handle this in terms of "wrestling being a violent sport" and the possibility of a steroids angle.
Will wrestling now be the new marked enemy of the month for parent groups and special interests?

Just wondering... please don't attack me. lol

you are 100% correct babe.

they'll spin this back to the good ol' days of the wwf- mid 80's when probably everybody was roidin, and vince probably made them do it, so vince is to blame blah blah blah.
they'll try to blame everybody but the wacko that did this.

[topless_mike]

. I am not saying its right, i am just trying to find a way of thinking..

to take the life of your wife, son, and yourself? there is no rational thinking.

[Kevin]

to take the life of your wife, son, and yourself? there is no rational thinking.

I am not saying about the wife.. I am just saying what hemigh have thought after he did it.. And clearly, he was not rational in the first place..

[HBox]

This story is going to have a resurgence two weeks from now when tox screens are in and they find out what kind of drugs, if any, he had in his system.

[dereckfishboy]

The creepy part of all of this is that he watched vengeance with his kid, while Nancy was dead in the bedroom.. Then killing the kid.. Then he just sat there all night and then hung himself.. He had to have gone insane.. I can't think of anything else.. Usually when there is a double murder suicide, it all happens in a short period of time.. This one lasted almost 3 fucking days.. He had to have gone insane..

My only reasoning for him killing the kid is (and its not right) Is that he pob thought.. If i live, and leave the kid, i am going to jail for life.. Then the kid has to live parent less and with the notion that his dad the once legend loved wrestler, killed him mom.. If i kill myself, he will live with the notion that he did it and then killed himself.. I am not saying its right, i am just trying to find a way of thinking..

Well, he's an even bigger scumbag if that's his reasoning. My Grandfather killed his wife in a murder-suicide when my mother and her siblings were kids.... If he'd killed the kids, none of his grandchildren and great grandchildren would ever have been born... Benoit didn't just kill his son, he killed everything that boy could have become....if Benoit really thought killing a child (and I still can't fathom how a father could even think of such a thing) would spare him a painful life, then I question how much he cared for that boy.... were that situation a reality, to think Benoit thought so little of his son's strength and ability to survive that he "put him out of his misery", then he'd truly be a scumbag.....personally, I'll give Benoit credit and assume that he had no reasoning at all, and that he was just a fucked psycho that finally couldn't hold on to any remaining shred of reality.... either way, I hope none of us never know why he did it, our minds would likely have to be as diseased as his to comprehend...

[Kevin]

Well, he's an even bigger scumbag if that's his reasoning. My Grandfather killed his wife in a murder-suicide when my mother and her siblings were kids.... If he'd killed the kids, none of his grandchildren and great grandchildren would ever have been born... Benoit didn't just kill his son, he killed everything that boy could have become....if Benoit really thought killing a child (and I still can't fathom how a father could even think of such a thing) would spare him a painful life, then I question how much he cared for that boy.... were that situation a reality, to think Benoit thought so little of his son's strength and ability to survive that he "put him out of his misery", then he'd truly be a scumbag.....personally, I'll give Benoit credit and assume that he had no reasoning at all, and that he was just a fucked psycho that finally couldn't hold on to any remaining shred of reality....


Yea i would hope you are right.. I am just so devastated and shocked by all of this, i just don't know whats what anymore..

[crybaby]

If you thought Vince was upset last night I guess he is even more upset today
after printing up thousands of Chris Benoit Memorial Tshirts they may be a tough sell now. On the bright side last night we found out Vince is still alive.

[Snacks]

SNACKS! We were typing at the same time! How Ironical.... :)

Good minds think a like!!!


[QUOTE=Friday;1369583]Not to be too cynical... but I am starting to wonder how the *media *%

[Kevin]

If you thought Vince was upset last night I guess he is even more upset today
after printing up thousands of Chris Benoit Memorial Tshirts they may be a tough sell now. On the bright side last night we found out Vince is still alive.

Ugh!

[epo]

I saw a thread about this on one of the Cubs boards I go to and there they said it was reported that Benoit's Wikipedia entry was updated to mention his wife's death like 14 hours before it was actually reported. Anyone else hear something like this?

Wikipedia's history shows no edits on the page of Chris Benoit that have anything to do with him other than wrestling & a jokester implying that Benoit was gay. As for "Nancy Daus" (given name) there was nothing from June 14th to June 25th. Sounds like urban legend to me.

I hate this story.

[Kevin]

Famous Wrestlers That Have Died Since 1985 Before the Age of 65
Chris Von Erich - 21
Mike Von Erich - 23
Louie Spiccoli - 27
Art Barr - 28
Gino Hernandez - 29
Jay Youngblood - 30
Rick McGraw - 30
Joey Marella - 30
Ed Gatner - 31
Buzz Sawyer - 32
Crash Holly - 32
Kerry Von Erich - 33
D.J. Peterson - 33
Eddie Gilbert - 33
The Renegade - 33
Owen Hart - 33
Chris Candido - 33
Adrian Adonis - 34
Gary Albright - 34
Bobby Duncum Jr. - 34
Yokozuna - 34
Big Dick Dudley - 34
Brian Pillman - 35
Marianna Komlos - 35
Pitbull #2 - 36
The Wall/Malice - 36
Leroy Brown - 38
Mark Curtis - 38
Eddie Guerrero - 38
Davey Boy Smith - 39
Johnny Grunge - 39
Vivian Vachon - 40
Jeep Swenson - 40
Brady Boone - 40
Terry Gordy - 40
Bertha Faye - 40
Billy Joe Travis - 40
Chris Benoit - 40
Larry Cameron - 41
Rick Rude - 41
Randy Anderson - 41
Bruiser Brody - 42
Miss Elizabeth - 42
Big Boss Man - 42
Earthquake - 42
Mike Awesome - 42
Ray Candy - 43
Nancy Benoit (Woman) - 43
Dino Bravo - 44
Curt Hennig - 44
Bam Bam Bigelow - 45
Jerry Blackwell - 45
Junkyard Dog - 45
Hercules - 45
Andre the Giant - 46
Big John Studd - 46
Chris Adams - 46
Mike Davis - 46
Hawk - 46
Dick Murdoch - 49
Jumbo Tsuruta - 49
Rocco Rock - 49
Sherri Martel - 49
Moondog Spot - 51
Ken Timbs - 53
Uncle Elmer - 54
Pez Whatley - 54
Eddie Graham - 55
Tarzan Tyler - 55
Haystacks Calhoun- 55
Giant Haystacks - 55
The Spoiler - 56
Kurt Von Hess - 56
Moondog King - 56
Gene Anderson - 58
Dr. Jerry Graham - 58
Bulldog Brown - 58
Tony Parisi - 58
Rufus R. Jones - 60
Ray Stevens - 60
Stan Stasiak - 60
Terry Garvin - 60
Boris Malenko - 61
Little Beaver - 61
Sapphire - 61
Shohei Baba - 61
Dick the Bruiser - 62
Wilbur Snyder - 62
George Cannon - 62
Karl Krupp - 62
Dale Lewis - 62
Gorilla Monsoon - 62
Hiro Matsuda - 62
Bad News Brown - 63
Bulldog Brower - 63
Wahoo McDaniel - 63

Just amazing...

[buzzard]

Isn't it a lil bit creepy that the network ran a "tribute" to benoit when they had information linking him to his wife & sons' death?

[Jujubees2]

You get a gold star. If roids are found in Benoit's system, advertisers will flee from the WWE.

You mean that it's a big secret that some WWE performers have used steroids?

[Scottyflamingo]

During the press conference, he said that there were no illegal drugs, but there were prescription drugs and steroids.

The question is what were the steroids prescribed for? If it turns out that Benoit didn't have a legit medical reason for them, then it is gonna be the early 90's all over again for WWE.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Here's the tribute video the WWE recently took down after the details came to light:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj9XPRuB91M&mode=related&search=

It's more than a little unnerving to see him hug his family at the end.

[crybaby]

Hopefully nothing happens to Big Show don't think I could sit
through a three hour tribute.

[King Imp]

It is believed that a lot of the wrestlers were forced into making comments last night even though they did not want to .... knowing Chris slaughtered his family.

While watching that last night, I did feel it was strange how few people they had speak. They may not have known the full extent of it, but I'm sure there was speculation.

Truly a horrible, horrible situation.

[spadanko]

Thanks for the tip.

So can we wish this sorry hunk of shit rots in hell yet?

Here are some facts about the crossface killer and his wife...

1 - a few yrs ago Nancy filed for a restraining order against Chris out of fear for her and her son's safety.

2- He killed them both.

3 - a huge amount of roids were found in the home.

4 - a bible was found near each body.

.....

friends of the child killer say he was losing his mind and becoming more and more delusional over the past few months.
Out of concern, they informed wwe officials of his condition... (like they would care)
But nothing was ever mentioned.

It is believed that the following wrestlers were the last to hear from him:
His good friend Edge, Dean Malenko, Guerrero and Steven Regal.


maybe that is why regal was very brief last night during the tribute

[J.Clints]

I am sure many of his fellow wrestlers feel the same as I do. They hate what he did but still love him. I believe he snapped and it is truly sad. I will forever miss The Cross faced Crippler.

[mdr55]

Can we get some pictures of "Woman" up? If there's going to be a tribute, it should be to her. She used to be pretty stunning back when she was in the WCW. I'm sure there were more fans of her.

[Jujubees2]

I am sure many of his fellow wrestlers feel the same as I do. They hate what he did but still love him. I believe he snapped and it is truly sad. I will forever miss The Cross faced Crippler.

Maybe this will help bring to light the problems of mental illness, whether it was brought on by steroids or not. To say that he was evil and should rot in hell does absolutely nothing constructive. What we should take from this is that there are people out there with mental problems and they need help. We have to erase this stigma of people with metal illness as being crazy. They should be treated just as someone with cancer is treated and not be made to seem like an outcast.

[mdr55]

His wrestling figure is selling over $10 on ebay.

[J.Clints]

Maybe this will help bring to light the problems of mental illness, whether it was brought on by steroids or not. To say that he was evil and should rot in hell does absolutely nothing constructive. What we should take from this is that there are people out there with mental problems and they need help. We have to erase this stigma of people with metal illness as being crazy. They should be treated just as someone with cancer is treated and not be made to seem like an outcast.

Absolutely correct

[oh_kee_pa]

Hopefully nothing happens to Big Show don't think I could sit
through a three hour tribute.

funniest post all day

[Doctor Z]

WWE has already gone into ass-covering mode on the steroid front:

WWE.com (http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/benoitpressrelease)

[Doctor Z]

I wonder what Bret Hart has to say about all this. Students of Stu Hart's Dungeon and Stampede Wrestling, both natives of Calgary... he and Benoit were very close, especially after the loss of his brother Owen.

[HBox]

I wonder what Bret Hart has to say about all this. Students of Stu Hart's Dungeon and Stampede Wrestling, both natives of Calgary... he and Benoit were very close, especially after the loss of his brother Owen.

“He was like a family member to me, and everyone in my family is taking it real hard,” said fellow Canadian Bret Hart, a five-time champion. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19424899/)

Sad stuff.

[Earlshog]

I wonder what Bret Hart has to say about all this. Students of Stu Hart's Dungeon and Stampede Wrestling, both natives of Calgary... he and Benoit were very close, especially after the loss of his brother Owen.



"He was like a family member to me, and everyone in my family is taking it real hard," said fellow Canadian Bret Hart, a five-time champion.

[J.Clints]

"He was like a family member to me, and everyone in my family is taking it real hard," said fellow Canadian Bret Hart, a five-time champion.

wow thats the first time I have read that

[Tenbatsuzen]

Thanks for the tip.

So can we wish this sorry hunk of shit rots in hell yet?

Here are some facts about the crossface killer and his wife...

1 - a few yrs ago Nancy filed for a restraining order against Chris out of fear for her and her son's safety.

2- He killed them both.

3 - a huge amount of roids were found in the home.

4 - a bible was found near each body.

.....

friends of the child killer say he was losing his mind and becoming more and more delusional over the past few months.
Out of concern, they informed wwe officials of his condition... (like they would care)
But nothing was ever mentioned.

It is believed that the following wrestlers were the last to hear from him:
His good friend Edge, Dean Malenko, Guerrero and Steven Regal.
It is believed that a lot of the wrestlers were forced into making comments last night even though they did not want to .... knowing Chris slaughtered his family.

OH -
Kevin Sullivan was questioned and released. ( he was married to her before she left him for Chris)

I almost believed all of your post except for the two parts I've bolded. I've seen NOTHING about Sullivan even being involved in this, questioning or otherwise.

[epo]

I almost believed all of your post except for the two parts I've bolded. I've seen NOTHING about Sullivan even being involved in this, questioning or otherwise.

Dirtybird, why mention Sullivan? The dude lives in southern Florida for chrissakes.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Dirtybird, why mention Sullivan? The dude lives in southern Florida for chrissakes.

Because he's a trolling ass.

[Don Stugots]

I am sure that where ever Sullivan is he is sadden by the news. I have two ex wives and if i found out that one of them was killed by husband #2 it would bother me a bit. maybe even blame myself for it.


holy shit this is making me sick.

[Snacks]

While watching that last night, I did feel it was strange how few people they had speak. They may not have known the full extent of it, but I'm sure there was speculation.

Truly a horrible, horrible situation.

my sister in law said that she heard this story during her soaps yesterday. She said they mentioned at around 3pm that it looked like murder suicide as early as 3:00pm monday. If thats true then why would they have done a tribute?

I am sure many of his fellow wrestlers feel the same as I do. They hate what he did but still love him. I believe he snapped and it is truly sad. I will forever miss The Cross faced Crippler.

I dont know about the snapping part. He did it over the course of 3 days. If you snap its a quick thing. The fact that he waited a day to kill his son and then a day or 2 to kill himself seems like he may have more then snapped. I cant imagine what happened, hopefully we get some answers, not b/c we deserve them but so that it can help others in the future.

Maybe this will help bring to light the problems of mental illness, whether it was brought on by steroids or not. To say that he was evil and should rot in hell does absolutely nothing constructive. What we should take from this is that there are people out there with mental problems and they need help. We have to erase this stigma of people with metal illness as being crazy. They should be treated just as someone with cancer is treated and not be made to seem like an outcast.


that is the best thing I ever read on this board. Depression and mental problems arent understood by all. People seem to think you can just "get over it" or handle it alone. All that does it make things worse and when you dont have support or understanding it makes it worse.

[tnbt23]

they said that she was strangled from behind with an electrical cord.. before i heard that i was thinking he put her in the crossface

[Earlshog]

wow thats the first time I have read that

haha I didn't even notice that.... man I stink!

[J.Clints]

haha I didn't even notice that.... man I stink!

just playing

[Davios]

I think that taking everything we now know into consideration, including the fact that he and his wife have had problems in the past, this all probably originated from an altercation between the two. Who knows what it could have been. It could have been some petty argument, money, cheating, they just got sick of each other, really anything. Chris, however, probably lost it and murdered her. He then likely came to the realization that his life as he knew it was going to be over. That would explain him waiting until the next day to kill his son. He probably spent some time with the boy before in his at that point crazed state, he finally came to the conclusion that he knew his life was over and didn't want to see his son struggling with his parents. Granted its a really insane and twisted way of looking at it, but in my opinion it is the most likely scenario.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think that taking everything we now know into consideration, including the fact that he and his wife have had problems in the past, this all probably originated from an altercation between the two. Who knows what it could have been. It could have been some petty argument, money, cheating, they just got sick of each other, really anything. Chris, however, probably lost it and murdered her. He then likely came to the realization that his life as he knew it was going to be over. That would explain him waiting until the next day to kill his son. He probably spent some time with the boy before in his at that point crazed state, he finally came to the conclusion that he knew his life was over and didn't want to see his son struggling with his parents. Granted its a really insane and twisted way of looking at it, but in my opinion it is the most likely scenario.

Yes.

[K.C.]

I think that taking everything we now know into consideration, including the fact that he and his wife have had problems in the past, this all probably originated from an altercation between the two. Who knows what it could have been. It could have been some petty argument, money, cheating, they just got sick of each other, really anything. Chris, however, probably lost it and murdered her. He then likely came to the realization that his life as he knew it was going to be over. That would explain him waiting until the next day to kill his son. He probably spent some time with the boy before in his at that point crazed state, he finally came to the conclusion that he knew his life was over and didn't want to see his son struggling with his parents. Granted its a really insane and twisted way of looking at it, but in my opinion it is the most likely scenario.

It takes a while to strangle someone to death...it's not like you can accidentally do it...it's pretty calculated, so even if it was a temporary insanity type of thing, he still knew what he was doing.

If I had to guess, I'd say that once that realization that he killed her set in, he went into denial trying to convince himself everything would be alright...and his kid was probably upset that whole next day about...and he just snapped and killed him too.

Then he did the only thing he could do at that point.

[cougarjake13]

everyone says people that snap do it quickly and i know it was a movie but


http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Travel%20Section/Summer%20Travel/060608_shining_vmed_1p.widec.jpg

http://www.orizzontikubrickiani.it/images/shining_gelato.jpg

[prothunderball]

I just read on one of the wrestling sites that Vince is going to apologize for the tribute last night. Supposedly USA received complaint calls about it. With hindsight I don't know if the tribute was the right thing to do, but I also don't know if it really needs to apologized for.

[CYYYFYYY]

I can't believe people are trying to say we must understand Beniot had problems. ANYONE who kills someone has problems. It is not sane to kill another human being unless it is in self defense. I never understood the defense in murder cases temporary insane. Of course you were temporary insane YOU JUST KILLED SOMEONE! I feel nothing but hatred for this man. People called VINCE evil for pretending to kill himself in a fictional show but when BENIOT a man who has a history of violence kills his wife and kid some people try looking at good. LET HIM ROT IN HELL

[El Mudo]

I can't believe people are trying to say we must understand Beniot had problems. ANYONE who kills someone has problems. It is not sane to kill another human being unless it is in self defense. I never understood the defense in murder cases temporary insane. Of course you were temporary insane YOU JUST KILLED SOMEONE! I feel nothing but hatred for this man. People called VINCE evil for pretending to kill himself in a fictional show but when BENIOT a man who has a history of violence kills his wife and kid some people try looking at good. LET HIM ROT IN HELL




Who's saying this is a good thing, or who's trying to put a "good" face on this?


Its a horrible, horrible tragedy...I feel more sad than anything that a man's mental illness cost him his life and the lives of two other people

[J.Clints]

Yes.

Ohh well thats it. Tenbatsuzen said yes The debate is now over

[El Mudo]

And, believe it or not, some people DO lose control of their mental faculties, and bad things happen that they cannot control

[CYYYFYYY]

I DO believe it that is why there are so many murders out there. All I am saying is the man is scum and blaming it on the roids or just saying he lost it, I just don;t want to hear. The man is scum. NUFF SAID

[HBox]

Ohh well thats it. Tenbatsuzen said yes The debate is now over

The last thing this thread needs is more people picking fights for no reason.

[J.Clints]

The last thing this thread needs is more people picking fights for no reason.

its a joke box.......




hahahahahajokebox

[El Mudo]

I DO believe it that is why there are so many murders out there. All I am saying is the man is scum and blaming it on the roids or just saying he lost it, I just don;t want to hear. The man is scum. NUFF SAID



If it comes out the man has a history of mental illness, or there was an ongoing mental issue he had no control over, he's a victim too...a different type of victim, but a victim nonetheless....Just like Justin Strelczyk and Mike Webster, and any other type of person with an illness they have no control over that hurts people

[Doctor Z]

Vince and WWE owe NOBODY an apology. They did the tribute because it was the only thing they COULD do at the time. When Raw came on, no one knew anything except that Benoit was dead. If the tribute was done TONIGHT, that would be another story. But it's not fair to say that WWE aired that tribute in poor taste.

[El Mudo]

It just seems too complex a situation for me to think this was something that was purely cold blooded...the Bibles...the methodical nature of the killings...the alleged watching the PPV with the son...it just seems like something clearly was not right


Now if it was something cold blooded I would completely agree with you....but it just doesn't seem that way to me

[CYYYFYYY]

It is never anyones fault anymore. Alcoholism is a disease. Drug using is a disease. Being sad is a disease. I raped her because I am a sex addict. Yes, people are prone to certain things but once you kill someone I really do not give a crap if you are depressed. Or whatever people are saying. Enough all ready. He could go to hell and be depressed there. I fell anyone who kills someone there is something wrong with them. I guess there are noo bad people. We should feel sorry for all killers. Not me. Go to hell Beniot.

[HBox]

It just seems too complex a situation for me to think this was something that was purely cold blooded...the Bibles...the methodical nature of the killings...the alleged watching the PPV with the son...it just seems like something clearly was not right


Now if it was something cold blooded I would completely agree with you....but it just doesn't seem that way to me

The PPV thing is false. They both might have been dead by that point but the son was definitely dead.

[Gvac]

Obviously no one in their right mind commits an act as heinous as this. I completely agree that it's about time mental illness is regarded as just that - an illness.

I don't think it's making too much of a leap to assume that pumping testosterone into your system for 20 years may have contributed to a chemical imbalance in the brain, however.

[El Mudo]

It is never anyones fault anymore. Alcoholism is a disease. Drug using is a disease. Being sad is a disease. I raped her because I am a sex addict. Yes, people are prone to certain things but once you kill someone I really do not give a crap if you are depressed. Or whatever people are saying. Enough all ready. He could go to hell and be depressed there. I fell anyone who kills someone there is something wrong with them. I guess there are noo bad people. We should feel sorry for all killers. Not me. Go to hell Beniot.


Do you have any clue what its like to live with someone who is seriously mentally ill?


I hope you never, ever find out

[CYYYFYYY]

I am just thinking if someone like X-Pac did this we would all be saying he was an A_hole but Beniot who PLAYED a good guy on tv on a fictional show... we all like to believe he was really a nice guy. This was not his first incident.

[El Mudo]

I am just thinking if someone like X-Pac did this we would all be saying he was an A_hole but Beniot who PLAYED a good guy on tv on a fictional show... we all like to believe he was really a nice guy. This was not his first incident.


I would say youre right on that....perception usually makes up a lot of how someone is remembered. But Waltman has also burned his bridges in a lot of promotions, and has not been as well respected in the business as someone of Benoit's stature


If anything, this shows us how LITTLE we really know about these people. We like to think we do because we see them on TV and embrace their personalities, but we know NOTHING about who they really are

[Friday]

It just seems too complex a situation for me to think this was something that was purely cold blooded...the Bibles...the methodical nature of the killings...the alleged watching the PPV with the son...it just seems like something clearly was not right


Now if it was something cold blooded I would completely agree with you....but it just doesn't seem that way to me

I agree with you, Mudo.
A true sociopath would not have any concern for the well-being of his victims in the afterlife... and the bibles almost show a sign of remorse and eagerness for forgiveness. That is a sure sign of a present and full blown mental illness.

Left untreated, mental illness can go unrecognized for years... sure you or those around you may exhibit signs. However, with opportunities to release the tension, through physicality, creativity... different cathartic outlets readily at your disposal... you get a release that the regular joe schmoe with a day job would not.

Add substance abuse to the picture and you have an already erratic mental pattern, made worse by mind/body altering substances.... the results are not surprising and have been documented time and time again. Not always in the spotlight.

I am not even into wrestling, but I am fascinated by mental illness... and how even in this day and age, we are so afraid of it.
No doubt this man was evil. But in my opinion, we all have the potential for such evil.
We are just, knock on wood, lucky in that we are able to harness more good to counteract it.

I realize I am going on like Tenbats now... so I will stop. lol bash away!

[J.Clints]

I agree with you, Mudo.
A true sociopath would not have any concern for the well-being of his victims in the afterlife... and the bibles almost show a sign of remorse and eagerness for forgiveness. That is a sure sign of a present and full blown mental illness.

Left untreated, mental illness can go unrecognized for years... sure you or those around you may exhibit signs. However, with opportunities to release the tension, through physicality, creativity... different cathartic outlets readily at your disposal... you get a release that the regular joe schmoe with a day job would not.

Add substance abuse to the picture and you have an already erratic mental pattern, made worse by mind/body altering substances.... the results are not surprising and have been documented time and time again. Not always in the spotlight.

I am not even into wrestling, but I am fascinated by mental illness... and how even in this day and age, we are so afraid of it.
No doubt this man was evil. But in my opinion, we all have the potential for such evil.
We are just, knock on wood, lucky in that we are able to harness more good to counteract it.

I realize I am going on like Tenbats now... so I will stop. lol bash away!
no need to bash you hit the head on the nail

[Kevin]

In an interview with ESPN.com on Tuesday, Ballard indicated that the boy had needle marks in his arms. The district attorney said he believed that the boy had been given growth hormones for some time because the family considered him undersized

He was 7 YEARS OLD FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.. What the fuck is wrong with people??

[Scottyflamingo]

In an interview with ESPN.com, Fayetteville, Georgia District Attorney Scott Ballard revealed new information on two text messages that Chris Benoit sent to Chavo Guerrero over the weekend. In the first message, Benoit told Guerrero that Nancy and Daniel Benoit were both sick. It is believed that Benoit sent this message after he had already killed both Nancy and Daniel. In the second message, Benoit told Guerrero that the gates to his house were open and that dogs were outside. It is believed that he sent the second message as a way of making sure the bodies were all found after his suicide.

Even more shocking is that Benoit's son, Daniel, was apparently found with needle marks in his arm. According to Ballard, the boy was being given Human Growth Hormones because the family thought he was undersized.

The article also states that Benoit used weights and the pulley of a piece of exercise equipment to hang himself.

[Doctor Z]

In an interview with ESPN.com on Tuesday, Ballard indicated that the boy had needle marks in his arms. The district attorney said he believed that the boy had been given growth hormones for some time because the family considered him undersized

He was 7 YEARS OLD FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.. What the fuck is wrong with people??

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/sports/brew/img/mar04/bonds327.jpg
"Worked for me!"

[HBox]

How can this story become even more disturbing?