Chris Benoit, family found dead

[J.Clints]

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"Worked for me!"

:dry:

[HBox]

About the HGH thing with the kid. It is what it is and we are all going to draw our own conclusions. It IS more common than you think. I saw a story about it on some Dateline-type show with a family who had 4 boys. Their father was a tall man. And the first 3 boys grew up to be tall. The last boy didn't grow as big as the other three so they started giving him HGH as he was in puberty so he could grow as big as his brothers. All you need is a doctor willing to write a prescription for HGH to do it.

I still think it's awful. But when you mix it with Benoit's apparent (maybe, we'll find out) roid use and the wrestling background with both parents..... Holy shit. WWE must be at Defcon 5.

Jesus Christ. Were all those steroids they found just for the little kid?!

[Chimee]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/chrisbenoittimeline

WWE is being honest about this.

[Bossanova]

Did Vince like just bash Benoit in a sense

[jayroo69]

Written: June 26, 2007

On Saturday, June 23, Chris Benoit was slated to appear at a WWE live event in Beaumont, Texas. That afternoon, Benoit contacted WWE to inform them that his wife and child were ill, and that he would not be able to attend the show.
WWE executives rebooked Benoit’s flight for the following morning, allowing Benoit to miss the Beaumont event making alternate arrangements for him to attend the pay-per-view event in Houston on Sunday.
WWE employees attempted to confirm with Benoit his travel plans but were unable to contact him.
Early Sunday morning, between 3:51 and 3:58 a.m., Benoit sent five text messages to co-workers:

Text Message 1 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

Text Message 2 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone
“The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open”
Text Message 3 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:54am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”
Text Message 4 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:55am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"
Text Message 5 to one co-worker (sent 6/24 at 3:58am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

Throughout the day on Sunday, WWE made numerous attempts to contact Benoit both at home and at local hospitals in the Atlanta area. As of 11:00 p.m., WWE officials were unable to establish contact with Chris Benoit.
At 12:30 p.m. on Monday, June 25, WWE officials were notified of the text messages sent to the co-workers the previous day. By 12:45 p.m., WWE had contacted Fayetteville County Sheriff’s office requesting they check on the Benoit family.
Fayetteville County Sheriffs office made contact with WWE at approximately 4:00 p.m. advising that they had entered the house of Chris Benoit and found three deceased bodies – an adult male, adult female and a male child. WWE was told that Benoit’s home was now considered a major crime scene.
The decision to cancel the live event scheduled in Corpus Christi that night was made between 4:00 and 5:00 p.m. In keeping with company policy, and with limited knowledge regarding facts of the case, WWE choose to air a memorial dedicated to the career of Chris Benoit. As facts emerged surrounding the case, all tributes to Chris Benoit were removed both on-air and on WWE.com.

[HBox]

What did Vince say tonight?

[Bossanova]

WWE will not mention Beniots name again, the dedicate it to the member affected

[cougarjake13]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/chrisbenoittimeline

WWE is being honest about this.

man he kept texting his address and it reminds me of movies i guess where you see an army guy just recite his name, rank, dog tag number

just fucking weird

[Chimee]

Yeah, there is no doubt that he was just gone there at the end.

[BeltOfScotch]

What did Vince say tonight?

Anyone who caught the beginning of ECW and wants to give a quick rundown of what was said, it would be appreciated.

WWE is just going into major ass covering mode. The media is obviously looking to jump on the steroids thing, I think it was the first question in the press conference today. If the toxicology reports come back that he had roids in his system, it's bad, but I still don't think the company is going out of business because of the steroid link.

On the other hand, if the media picks up on the number of wrestlers who have died at a young age in recent years (that list posted earlier in the thread is unreal), that's the thing that could really put a stigma on the overall wrestling business as an industry.

[Bossanova]

Anyone who caught the beginning of ECW and wants to give a quick rundown of what was said, it would be appreciated.

WWE is just going into major ass covering mode. The media is obviously looking to jump on the steroids thing, I think it was the first question in the press conference today. If the toxicology reports come back that he had roids in his system, it's bad, but I still don't think the company is going out of business because of the steroid link.

On the other hand, if the media picks up on the number of wrestlers who have died at a young age in recent years (that list posted earlier in the thread is unreal), that's the thing that could really put a stigma on the overall wrestling business as an industry.

Not verbatem, but Vince basically said: Due to the recent events I will no longer speak Chris Benoits name. Tonight we will do what we do best and perform, and dedicate tonight to the members affected in this tragedy. Basically saying what Benoit did was disgusting

[Disaster]

Cant even watch ECW tonight Scifi isnt on tonight on cablevision not sure if its just near me but its the only channel thats not coming in

[ralphbxny]

I think I watched ECW open for the first time since I saw them film at MSG and turned it off after vince said Benoit will no longer be mentioned.

[jayroo69]

Anyone who caught the beginning of ECW and wants to give a quick rundown of what was said, it would be appreciated.

WWE is just going into major ass covering mode. The media is obviously looking to jump on the steroids thing, I think it was the first question in the press conference today. If the toxicology reports come back that he had roids in his system, it's bad, but I still don't think the company is going out of business because of the steroid link.

On the other hand, if the media picks up on the number of wrestlers who have died at a young age in recent years (that list posted earlier in the thread is unreal), that's the thing that could really put a stigma on the overall wrestling business as an industry.

A message from the Chairman
Written: June 26, 2007The following message from Vince McMahon aired at the beginning of tonight's ECW on Sci Fi:

Last night on Monday Night Raw, the WWE presented a special tribute show, recognizing the career of Chris Benoit. However, now some 26 hours later, the facts of this horrific tragedy are now apparent. Therefore, other than my comments, there will be no mention of Mr. Benoit tonight. On the contrary, tonight's show will be dedicated to everyone who has been affected by this terrible incident. This evening marks the first step of the healing process. Tonight, the WWE performers will do what they do better than anyone else in the world--entertain you.

[BeltOfScotch]

Thanks guys

[Dan G]

I noticed none of the wrestlers wore black armbands, which is usually what is worn when a colleague passes.

[cougarjake13]

I noticed none of the wrestlers wore black armbands, which is usually what is worn when a colleague passes.

had beniot not become a mass murderer they'd all be wearing black armbands with a CB on it

[Bossanova]

I think I watched ECW open for the first time since I saw them film at MSG and turned it off after vince said Benoit will no longer be mentioned.

I understand how you feel, but I can't blame them for not supporting a double murderer. I understand he may have been disturbed, but he killed a 7 year old.

[Tenbatsuzen]

man he kept texting his address and it reminds me of movies i guess where you see an army guy just recite his name, rank, dog tag number

just fucking weird

Kind of like, I dunno... Private Pyle?

[BrownTown]

I think I watched ECW open for the first time since I saw them film at MSG and turned it off after vince said Benoit will no longer be mentioned.

Why?
You have a hard time standing by a company that doesn't stand by its child-murdering employees?



Or was it that a Cena/Nitro match didn't appeal to you (didn't to me either)?

[Friday]

I understand how you feel, but I can't blame them for not supporting a double murderer. I understand he may have been disturbed, but he killed a 7 year old.

Yep.
And don't forget about all of the young kids that watch and attend the shows.
I think they are right in wanting to
A. begin the healing and moving on process... maybe not Personally, but as far as the "show" goes.
and B. to possible help to shield young audiences from the ugly reality of the situation. That is their parents role... to explain in a way that is fitting.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I have to say, I like the idea of the WWE just completely erasing Benoit like he never existed. His legacy is gone anyway. It might as well be cemented that way.

[jayroo69]

The Associated Press reported the following a few minutes ago.

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) -- A professional wrestler who killed himself and his family was a former customer of a company implicated in an upstate New York investigation of illegal steroid sales.

That's according to the Albany County District Attorney's Office, which is conducting the investigation in New York.

Authorities in Fayetteville say Chris Benoit strangled his wife and suffocated his 7-year-old son before hanging himself over the weekend.

Investigators found anabolic steroids in the house and want to know whether the muscular man was unhinged by the bodybuilding drugs, which can cause paranoia, depression and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage."

In Albany, the DA's office confirms the 40-year-old Benoit was a customer as recently as last year of the south Florida company MedXLife.

Two of its co-owners pleaded guilty to drug charges in Albany County in April, admitting they helped get prescriptions drugs in 2006 for customers in upstate New York who had no medical need for them. The pair testified Signature Pharmacy of Orlando filled the orders.

MedXLife, no longer taking orders, attracted customers through its Web site.

[Fallon]

Vince and WWE owe NOBODY an apology. They did the tribute because it was the only thing they COULD do at the time. When Raw came on, no one knew anything except that Benoit was dead. If the tribute was done TONIGHT, that would be another story. But it's not fair to say that WWE aired that tribute in poor taste.

WWE doesn't owe anybody shit. Why is it their fault if someone that works for them kills somebody? Why should they get heat?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Anyone who caught the beginning of ECW and wants to give a quick rundown of what was said, it would be appreciated.

WWE is just going into major ass covering mode. The media is obviously looking to jump on the steroids thing, I think it was the first question in the press conference today. If the toxicology reports come back that he had roids in his system, it's bad, but I still don't think the company is going out of business because of the steroid link.

On the other hand, if the media picks up on the number of wrestlers who have died at a young age in recent years (that list posted earlier in the thread is unreal), that's the thing that could really put a stigma on the overall wrestling business as an industry.

The wrestlers who have died while working for the WWE were Owen (accident), Pillman (bad heart), and Eddy (bad heart).

The majority of other people who have died are outside of Vince's control. You cannot blame him or the business. I'm sure if you did research into physically demanding jobs without health insurance or other stuff, you'd see a problem too.

The problem is, as I said before, the media crucified Imus, and that was over a stupid comment, but it was enough for a bunch of major sponsors to pull out of the show.

Three people died here. If drugs were in Benoit's system, it will probably completely invalidate the WWE's "wellness program", send the WWE to the early 90's hell they were in, and although I can't see the company folding, I CAN see a major blood-letting and the possibility of either the ECW show or the Smackdown show folding.

CW and Sci-Fi like the wrestling programs because they bring in decent ratings and are relatively cheap to produce. But if they get a shitload of bad publicity, I can see one or both maybe not being cancelled, but going on hiatus.

[Tenbatsuzen]

WWE doesn't owe anybody shit. Why is it their fault if someone that works for them kills somebody? Why should they get heat?

If Benoit had an adverse reaction to drugs in his system, they can blame the pressures of the WWE environment for causing him to snap.

[JPMNICK]

WWE doesn't owe anybody shit. Why is it their fault if someone that works for them kills somebody? Why should they get heat?

that is what i have been thinking the whole time. It's not like if someone works for Merrill Lynch and then does the same thing that we think the hours and the stress from working at ML made him do it and the ML should be sorry and appologize

[JPMNICK]

If Benoit had an adverse reaction to drugs in his system, they can blame the pressures of the WWE environment for causing him to snap.

in the end, it is his choice to do it, and it was his choice to not get help and kill his family. the buck stops with him, people need to put the blame in the only place where it belongs, with him.

[Friday]

that is what i have been thinking the whole time. It's not like if someone works for Merrill Lynch and then does the same thing that we think the hours and the stress from working at ML made him do it and the ML should be sorry and appologize

Personally, I think Merrill Lynch should apologize.
Jerks.

[lleeder]

I know this is taking things to an extreme degree but the deaths in the past were former stars, then fringe stars and now they are starting to be major stars. Is there any way the government might step in and shut this thing down? They already try to say wrestling impacts the viewer to be more violent and sexist. Now its killing off its own employees at an alarming rate. I hope it doesn't happen but wrestling might have a huge fight with the government on their hands.

[Kevin]

For as much as we bash Vince.. And rightfully so.. You have to say he handled this thing as good as anyone could have handled it.. From last night to tonight. For such short notice of last (He had to do the tribute) Until the facts were fully in, everything was hearsay.. So he had to do it.. And tonight, i could not put it any any better.. Not apologizing for last night.. But showing how disgusted he was in what happened.. Good job Vince..

[HBox]

If the WWE is employing a group of people where 1.they know steroid use is rampant and 2.they are in a position to profit from it and 3.they know what the negative consequences could be and 4. They do nothing about it then they could and should get in hot water for this.

1. They'd have to if it's happening.
2. They are.
3. They have to.
4. Is the wellness policy enough? Is it working? Who knows. The WWE has enough resources to defend itself either way.

The bottom line is that if they are cultivating an industry where they are tolerating or even encouraging steroid use and wrestlers need to do them just to stay competitive and they are dying young in droves something needs to be done and they need to be held accountable. I haven't kept track of wrestling in a while so I don't know if that's happening. But it seems like WWE is going to be put under one hell of a microscope now.

But please don't interpret that as me thinking that WWE has any responsibility for this murder.

[Bossanova]

For as much as we bash Vince.. And rightfully so.. You have have to handled this thing as good as anyone could have handled it.. From last night to tonight. For such short notice of last (He had to do the tribute) Until the facts were fully in, everything was hearsay.. So he had to do it.. And tonight, i could not put it any any better.. Not apologizing for last night.. But showing how disgusted he was in what happened.. Good job Vince..

I agree Kev. I also read that the Mr. McMahon bit is offically over

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm not saying that the WWE is responsible. But just as the MSM painted Imus as a card-carrying klan member, (even though he wasn't), they can do the same with the WWE, where the environment promotes constant injury, mental and physical fatigue, fractured families, and of course, rampant drug use.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I agree Kev. I also read that the Mr. McMahon bit is offically over

You mean the character, or the Dead Vince angle?

[Bossanova]

You mean the character, or the Dead Vince angle?

The dead Mr. McMahon angle.

[riverofpiss]

I just saw this news on MSN, I can't believe it. I met Benoit once and he seemed like such a normal, cool guy. It's too bad that this is what he'll be remembered for but he has really done a despicable thing.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The dead Mr. McMahon angle.

I also have a feeling that we're not going to see Mr. McMahon (character) on TV for a while, at least until this blows over. Which is all well and good. I think true healing begins with Stephanie's giant fake hooters.

[Bossanova]

I also have a feeling that we're not going to see Mr. McMahon (character) on TV for a while, at least until this blows over. Which is all well and good. I think true healing begins with Stephanie's giant fake hooters.

HAHA, I couldn't agree more

[RingWraith]

I feel like crap, for giving my thoughts about Benoit yesterday.

Now with the latest reports, I'm very much disgusted with what Benoit did. I know more detailed info will be given in a couple of weeks with what could have been in Benoit's system, and be more informed by then.

But as of right now, the hell with Chris Benoit. To do that to your wife, and your OWN SON!!! Just Horrific, and sad.

[gmat]

I have some comments concerning Benoit’s wrestling ability. Many people have been saying he was a great wrestler. I never saw this. To me he was a boring Canadian with no personality (no offence to our Canadian friends, but you people do come off as dullards). Doesn’t anybody remember the demise of the Four-Horseman when he was a member? I mean you went from the likes of the Anderson’s, Tully Blanchard, Lex Lugar to Benoit and that guy from the Chicago Bears.
Even after he left WCW to the WWE, what did he ever do? He was moved from RAW to the crappy SmackDown and was never a big draw.

[prothunderball]

I have some comments concerning Benoit’s wrestling ability. Many people have been saying he was a great wrestler. I never saw this. To me he was a boring Canadian with no personality (no offence to our Canadian friends, but you people do come off as dullards). Doesn’t anybody remember the demise of the Four-Horseman when he was a member? I mean you went from the likes of the Anderson’s, Tully Blanchard, Lex Lugar to Benoit and that guy from the Chicago Bears.
Even after he left WCW to the WWE, what did he ever do? He was moved from RAW to the crappy SmackDown and was never a big draw.

the fact that you're implying that Lex Luger was a great wrestler, negates anything else you have to say.

[Friday]

I have some comments concerning Benoit’s wrestling ability. Many people have been saying he was a great wrestler. I never saw this. To me he was a boring Canadian with no personality (no offence to our Canadian friends, but you people do come off as dullards). Doesn’t anybody remember the demise of the Four-Horseman when he was a member? I mean you went from the likes of the Anderson’s, Tully Blanchard, Lex Lugar to Benoit and that guy from the Chicago Bears.
Even after he left WCW to the WWE, what did he ever do? He was moved from RAW to the crappy SmackDown and was never a big draw.

Well... um... he is dead now. So his wrestling skills are no longer of any import.

This thread is about the events of the weekend and the after-effects....

[Tenbatsuzen]

Even after he left WCW to the WWE, what did he ever do? He was moved from RAW to the crappy SmackDown and was never a big draw.

I dunno. Won the world title? Put on a couple of four star matches? Part of the Smackdown Six? Go back to bed, troll.

[MikeB]

Wasn't it him and booker t that had that great 7 match series in wcw?

[Bossanova]

Wasn't it him and booker t that had that great 7 match series in wcw?

Yes, for the TV title

[gmat]

None of you have to agree with me, but at least I got everybody to stop thinking about and trying to analyze the actions of some insane mutha fucker murder for a few minutes.

[conman823]

I have some comments concerning Benoit’s wrestling ability. Many people have been saying he was a great wrestler. I never saw this. To me he was a boring Canadian with no personality (no offence to our Canadian friends, but you people do come off as dullards). Doesn’t anybody remember the demise of the Four-Horseman when he was a member? I mean you went from the likes of the Anderson’s, Tully Blanchard, Lex Lugar to Benoit and that guy from the Chicago Bears.
Even after he left WCW to the WWE, what did he ever do? He was moved from RAW to the crappy SmackDown and was never a big draw.

Stop please you know nothing of a great wrestling performance. Not everybody likes Vinces 5 moves of doom wunder-talents who wrestle for 4mins and kids cheer.

Put all the other crazy shit aside Christ Benoit was one of the greatest "performers" to ever get into the ring. Even Bret hart was a 5 moves of doom talent. There is always a draw for wrestlers who "wrestle".

As far as this whole murder/suicide crazyness, I'm horrified. This was NOT WWE's fault. benoit created a fucking house of horrors and then killed himself without even a note explaining why. Just sad and tragic.

[Don Stugots]

Stop please you know nothing of a great wrestling performance. Not everybody likes Vinces 5 moves of doom wunder-talents who wrestle for 4mins and kids cheer.

Put all the other crazy shit aside Christ Benoit was one of the greatest "performers" to ever get into the ring. Even Bret hart was a 5 moves of doom talent. There is always a draw for wrestlers who "wrestle".

As far as this whole murder/suicide crazyness, I'm horrified. This was NOT WWE's fault. benoit created a fucking house of horrors and then killed himself without even a note explaining why. Just sad and tragic.


ZACTLY.

[The_Showstopper]

Ive been fealing a wave of different emotions as more time goes on.

Sadness that a whole family has been destroyed. Sad that his piers have lost a friend. Sad that they now have to learn and deal with what he did.

Confused as to how someone could do such a horrorable thingto the people he loved the most.

Shocked that what's happened really happend

and also anger that a man i respected for his talents and dedication to an industy that i have loved and been passionate about for over a decade has with these acts taken away from me some of the greatest memories i have of Pro Wrestling like the ending of Wrestlemana 20. That was hard enough to watch with Eddie and now add that to the emotions and circumstances of this and its unbearable.

I dont know if or when ill be able to watch a match with Chris Benoit and not be able to think about what has happened.

i honestly dont know how to feal about all of this. too many emotions.

I just wish the family and friends peace

I hope that in time the wrestling comunity, performers and fans alike can come to some kind of grips with whats happened.


This is worse then anything i could ever imagine having to deal with as a wrestling fan.


Simply tragic is the best way to sum it up i think.

Simply Tragic

[gmat]

Stop please you know nothing of a great wrestling performance. Not everybody likes Vinces 5 moves of doom wunder-talents who wrestle for 4mins and kids cheer.

Put all the other crazy shit aside Christ Benoit was one of the greatest "performers" to ever get into the ring. Even Bret hart was a 5 moves of doom talent. There is always a draw for wrestlers who "wrestle".

As far as this whole murder/suicide crazyness, I'm horrified. This was NOT WWE's fault. benoit created a fucking house of horrors and then killed himself without even a note explaining why. Just sad and tragic.

Dude, who other than Dean Malenko has more than five moves? The bottom line is that the wrestling aspect of wrestling is fake. They pretend to beat up each other. The real draw to wrestling is personality and story lines, which Benoit was never part of anything intriguing.

[xample]

I have some comments concerning Benoit’s wrestling ability. Many people have been saying he was a great wrestler. I never saw this. To me he was a boring Canadian with no personality (no offence to our Canadian friends, but you people do come off as dullards). Doesn’t anybody remember the demise of the Four-Horseman when he was a member? I mean you went from the likes of the Anderson’s, Tully Blanchard, Lex Lugar to Benoit and that guy from the Chicago Bears.
Even after he left WCW to the WWE, what did he ever do? He was moved from RAW to the crappy SmackDown and was never a big draw.

This is one of the most ridiculous statements yet. Benoit was a huge draw (need I mention the "We Want Benoit!" chants at this previous PPV). He was a terrific technical wrestler with many classic matches and fueds under his belt. I agree that he didn't fit the typical Vince-ified personas that you see with Hogan, Cena, and the like, but Chris didn't need that; his personality showed through his in-ring work. It's true that what he did was awful, but for the last 22 years Benoit poured his heart and soul into the business and I'm grateful that we were able to witness his talents at the highest level.

[prothunderball]

Dude, who other than Dean Malenko has more than five moves? The bottom line is that the wrestling aspect of wrestling is fake. They pretend to beat up each other. The real draw to wrestling is personality and story lines, which Benoit was never part of anything intriguing.

you are why the great kali gets a push

[burrben]

the fact that you're implying that Lex Luger was a great wrestler, negates anything else you have to say.

i was going to say that but i'm two hours too late.



btw, bret hart is a great wrestler

[gmat]

you are why the great kali gets a push

You guys are taking my comments way too seriously. The fact is I do not watch wrestling on a regular basis. I tune in once in a while, because I have liked wrestling since I was a kid. What I am saying is my opinion, you do not have to agree with me, but please do not attack me. I do not know who the great kali is (and you are probably gonna beat me up over that), I know old school wrestling, and in my personal opinion, Chris Benoit sucked.
The real issue is that you are defending a murder of a woman and child over something that is fake. This is why I normally do not post any comments on message boards.

[xample]

You guys are taking my comments way too seriously. The fact is I do not watch wrestling on a regular basis. I tune in once in a while, because I have liked wrestling since I was a kid. What I am saying is my opinion, you do not have to agree with me, but please do not attack me. I do not know who the great kali is (and you are probably gonna beat me up over that), I know old school wrestling, and in my personal opinion, Chris Benoit sucked.
The real issue is that you are defending a murder of a woman and child over something that is fake. This is why I normally do not post any comments on message boards.

I don't think any of us are defending a murderer here. I have even stated that what he did was awful. I think we're just shocked that you thought Benoit was a terrible wrestler. Who in your book was/are the good ones then?

[gmat]

I don't think any of us are defending a murderer here. I have even stated that what he did was awful. I think we're just shocked that you thought Benoit was a terrible wrestler. Who in your book was/are the good ones then?

I can name a lot of wrestlers that I thought were good over the years, they are the ones that entertained me. For example the Iron Sheik was great. It was a time when we hated Iran and his arrogance and distain for the US was perfect. On the same line, the Russians from WCW (Nikali and Nikitta Crushoffn Spelling?) were great because of the same reason. On the other hand , Hulk Hogan and Rick Flair had no technical skills but have great personalities that carried their careers. I even remember Dusty Rhodes and/or Kerry Von Eric vs. Rick Flair stories that lasted for years and went nowhere, but they intriguing. That is all I am saying about Beniot, he had no personality in my opinion and never entertained me on that level. I can appreciate his physical abilities, but that was never why I like wrestling, it was always the story line.

[JesterOfSadness]

Not bashing at all, but do you consider Hulk Hogan better than...say Bruno Sammartino?

[conman823]

you are why the great kali gets a push

:clap:

[conman823]

The real issue is that you are defending a murder of a woman and child over something that is fake. .

Yeah thats exactly what were doing........you have gotta be kidding me.

[gmat]

Not bashing at all, but do you consider Hulk Hogan better than...say Bruno Sammartino?

Not to take anything away from Bruno Sammartino, but yes Hulk Hogan is more important to wrestling than anybody in history. The fact that he was such a face for so many years and reinvented himself so perfectly as the heal during the NWO era, speaks volumes for his personality.

[NickyL0885]

You guys are taking my comments way too seriously. The fact is I do not watch wrestling on a regular basis. I tune in once in a while, because I have liked wrestling since I was a kid. What I am saying is my opinion, you do not have to agree with me, but please do not attack me. I do not know who the great kali is (and you are probably gonna beat me up over that), I know old school wrestling, and in my personal opinion, Chris Benoit sucked.
The real issue is that you are defending a murder of a woman and child over something that is fake. This is why I normally do not post any comments on message boards.

Wow...just wow.....a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic are we?

[conman823]

Dude, who other than Dean Malenko has more than five moves? The bottom line is that the wrestling aspect of wrestling is fake. They pretend to beat up each other. The real draw to wrestling is personality and story lines, which Benoit was never part of anything intriguing.

So according to your logic (and i use the term loosely) WWE should show 2 hours of backstage talk and interviews and at a PPV lets say 2 wrestlers climb in the ring and a winner is just declared without so much as an irish whip?

"The wrestling aspect of wrestling is fake"

Tell that to the injuired list. i'm sure those injuires occured during morning prayer. Just stop, the action is worked through before hand but when you figure out how to fall off a 20 foot ladder into a table (or 3) in a fake manner please PM me.

[gmat]

So according to your logic (and i use the term loosely) WWE should show 2 hours of backstage talk and interviews and at a PPV lets say 2 wrestlers climb in the ring and a winner is just declared without so much as an irish whip?

"The wrestling aspect of wrestling is fake"

Tell that to the injuired list. i'm sure those injuires occured during morning prayer. Just stop, the action is worked through before hand but when you figure out how to fall off a 20 foot ladder into a table (or 3) in a fake manner please PM me.

Who's your favorite wrestler?

[NickyL0885]

Who's your favorite wrestler?

I know this wasn't directed towards me, but ill answer anyways. Shawn Michaels.

[gmat]

I know this wasn't directed towards me, but ill answer anyways. Shawn Michaels.

And do you like him for his lame ass super kick or his personality?

[conman823]

Who's your favorite wrestler?

Even though I'm pretty sure thats a different thread if I was to provide a top 5 list it would include a lot of "Technical" wrestlers past and present that entertained far beyond just mic skills and charisma. Thats just how I enjoy my wrestling. I have been a fan for about 20 yrs I seen it all. I was obsessed in my early teen, saw bootlegs from Japan (With Pegasus Kid), Mexico, and Puerto Rico loved fast paced action with great moves/pin combo. (See Benoit DVD for examples).

To go back on topic, you can not like Benoit as a character. Thats fine, but don't say the guy couldn't work thats just not fair. This is his ending which pretty much flushes a legacy down the shitter, as it should. I for one am not going to be able to even enjoy wrestling for sometime after this. As far as another Benoit match goes, I don't even think I could. He killed his fuckin family for god sake.

To finish this enjoyable banter with you. I am not defending a murderer, I am defending a style of wrestling that I feel should be the biggest draw in the US. It is all around the rest of the world. I will now go and start a *new" thread to address that topic more.

Chris Benoit, a former favorite wrestler of mine, is cowardly murderer of Children. It sickens me to the core and that how he shall be remebered by me and others for now on.

[NickyL0885]

And do you like him for his lame ass super kick or his personality?

Are you going to actually tell me he sucked too? He was great on the mic and in storylines, no question, but the man is a legend. He is, to me, the ladder match king. Ive never seen anyone perform better then him in those matches. Also a great in ring performer.

[gmat]

Even though I'm pretty sure thats a different thread if I was to provide a top 5 list it would include a lot of "Technical" wrestlers past and present that entertained far beyond just mic skills and charisma. Thats just how I enjoy my wrestling. I have been a fan for about 20 yrs I seen it all. I was obsessed in my early teen, saw bootlegs from Japan (With Pegasus Kid), Mexico, and Puerto Rico loved fast paced action with great moves/pin combo. (See Benoit DVD for examples).

To go back on topic, you can not like Benoit as a character. Thats fine, but don't say the guy couldn't work thats just not fair. This is his ending which pretty much flushes a legacy down the shitter, as it should. I for one am not going to be able to even enjoy wrestling for sometime after this. As far as another Benoit match goes, I don't even think I could. He killed his fuckin family for god sake.

To finish this enjoyable banter with you. I am not defending a murderer, I am defending a style of wrestling that I feel should be the biggest draw in the US. It is all around the rest of the world. I will now go and start a *new" thread to address that topic more.

Chris Benoit, a former favorite wrestler of mine, is cowardly murderer of Children. It sickens me to the core and that how he shall be remebered by me and others for now on.

I never said he could not “work” I said that is not the most important thing to me as a wrestling fan.

[gmat]

Are you going to actually tell me he sucked too? He was great on the mic and in storylines, no question, but the man is a legend. He is, to me, the ladder match king. Ive never seen anyone perform better then him in those matches. Also a great in ring performer.

I never said he sucked, I asked you a question. Once again, quit attaking me.

[Doctor Z]

To me, Bret Hart and Curt Hennig had the best balance of character and actual wrestling ability.

There's guys who are in-ring masters of the sport (if that's what you wanna call it), but have zero personality (ie - RVD, Malenko, and *cringe* ...Benoit). And there's plenty of guys with minimal wrestling ability who are ALL personality (ie - Hogan, The Rock, HHH, and perhaps the all-time king of no wrestling talent but huge pop, Ultimate Warrior).

However, Hart and Hennig, I feel had a perfect (no pun intended) balance of in-ring mastery as well as charisma and attitude. (Chris Jericho also gets an honorable mention for this category.)

[conman823]

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61263

[BoondockSaint]

To me, Bret Hart and Curt Hennig had the best balance of character and actual wrestling ability.

There's guys who are in-ring masters of the sport (if that's what you wanna call it), but have zero personality (ie - RVD, Malenko, and *cringe* ...Benoit). And there's plenty of guys with minimal wrestling ability who are ALL personality (ie - Hogan, The Rock, HHH, and perhaps the all-time king of no wrestling talent but huge pop, Ultimate Warrior).

However, Hart and Hennig, I feel had a perfect (no pun intended) balance of in-ring mastery as well as charisma and attitude. (Chris Jericho also gets an honorable mention for this category.)


And the problem with wrestling today is that most of them have neither.

[Ritalin]

From SI.com:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/06/26/benoitcase/index.html

[Tenbatsuzen]

I dont know if or when ill be able to watch a match with Chris Benoit and not be able to think about what has happened.



With the WWE retconning the past to erase Benoit from it's history, the only way you're gonna see a match with him is if you made a concious decision to do so, either on tape/DVD or youtube. Because you will NEVER see Benoit's image on WWE TV again. I know a lot of people say "never" doesn't mean a lot in WWE, but trust me - you will NEVER see Benoit displayed or mentioned on purpose on WWE again.

[Tenbatsuzen]

To me, Bret Hart and Curt Hennig had the best balance of character and actual wrestling ability.

There's guys who are in-ring masters of the sport (if that's what you wanna call it), but have zero personality (ie - RVD, Malenko, and *cringe* ...Benoit). And there's plenty of guys with minimal wrestling ability who are ALL personality (ie - Hogan, The Rock, HHH, and perhaps the all-time king of no wrestling talent but huge pop, Ultimate Warrior).

However, Hart and Hennig, I feel had a perfect (no pun intended) balance of in-ring mastery as well as charisma and attitude. (Chris Jericho also gets an honorable mention for this category.)

This conversation should be split off from the main Benoit thread, but for someone to say that Hart had "personality" is pushing it. If someone from the Hart family had the perfect blend of charisma, personality, and skills, it was Owen, NOT Bret.

Bret had a lot of skills, but his interviews left something to be desired. Think about it - how many "great" Bret Hart promos can you remember? The only one I can remember is him sitting in a wheelchair in the middle of the ring.

How many memorable lines can you remember?

I also think putting HHH and the Rock in a category of Hogan and Warrior is unfair. Rock and HHH actually got better skills and moves wise as their careers progressed. Hogan and Warrior did not.

[epo]

For as much as we bash Vince.. And rightfully so.. You have to say he handled this thing as good as anyone could have handled it.. From last night to tonight. For such short notice of last (He had to do the tribute) Until the facts were fully in, everything was hearsay.. So he had to do it.. And tonight, i could not put it any any better.. Not apologizing for last night.. But showing how disgusted he was in what happened.. Good job Vince..

From a pure crisis communications standpoint, Vince & the WWE communications/legal team have done a superb job handling this situation. The manner in which the initial tribute, then the honesty on their website about the situation and finally the opening of ECW with Vince's disgust....every step was perfect by the WWE. As much as I don't like many of Vince's storylines/decisions, this is one example of why Vince is as big as he is.

In "Crisis Communications" classes in the fall they should have two case studies: A how-to featuring WWE/Benoit & a how-not-to featuring Imus. The difference is shocking.

Damn I still hate this situation.

[Tenbatsuzen]

In "Crisis Communications" classes in the fall they should have two case studies: A how-to featuring WWE/Benoit & a how-not-to featuring Imus. The difference is shocking.



QFT. WWE is nipping this in the bud as much as they can, offering Benoit's latest drug test, giving a timeline, etc.

[epo]

QFT. WWE is nipping this in the bud as much as they can, offering Benoit's latest drug test, giving a timeline, etc.

The new detailed timeline (http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/detailedbenoittimeline)is a lesson in transparency that many organizations could learn from.

[Tenbatsuzen]

"Talent Relations" with the other person being "S"... christ, he was texting Steph.

[ralphbxny]

I understand how you feel, but I can't blame them for not supporting a double murderer. I understand he may have been disturbed, but he killed a 7 year old.

Why?
You have a hard time standing by a company that doesn't stand by its child-murdering employees?



Or was it that a Cena/Nitro match didn't appeal to you (didn't to me either)?

Cena v Nitro made me turn it off. I understand backing away then running full speed from Beniot. I cant understand why you would give Nitro the ECW belt.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Cena v Nitro made me turn it off. I understand backing away then running full speed from Beniot. I cant understand why you would give Nitro the ECW belt.

Benoit was scheduled to win the strap. When he no-showed, it defaulted to Punk.

Punk was injured during Vengeance and knew it was bad; he called the match early.

[Friday]

"Talent Relations" with the other person being "S"... christ, he was texting Steph.

thank you, Specula McSpeculation

:annoyed:

[dereckfishboy]

Specula.... I think I'll name my next cat that....

[Tenbatsuzen]

thank you, Specula McSpeculation

:annoyed:

She's the head of Talent Relations, he is a top card guy. Obviously they have a close relationship, given her interview during the tribute. Her name starts with "S", and it's been said that Chavo was the other person he texted.

Did he text "I love you" to C or S?

[Bob Impact]

This conversation should be split off from the main Benoit thread, but for someone to say that Hart had "personality" is pushing it. If someone from the Hart family had the perfect blend of charisma, personality, and skills, it was Owen, NOT Bret.

Bret had a lot of skills, but his interviews left something to be desired. Think about it - how many "great" Bret Hart promos can you remember? The only one I can remember is him sitting in a wheelchair in the middle of the ring.

How many memorable lines can you remember?

I also think putting HHH and the Rock in a category of Hogan and Warrior is unfair. Rock and HHH actually got better skills and moves wise as their careers progressed. Hogan and Warrior did not.

Who are you to doubt El Dandy?

Greatest Promo of all time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZe6LvqQaVk

[Death Metal Moe]

How do you hang yourself with no neck?

[Tenbatsuzen]

How do you hang yourself with no neck?

And Moe crushes one over the centerfield wall.

[Dan G]

Did he text "I love you" to C or S?

Neither, that was a verbal conversation and it's unknown to the public, who he was speaking to.

[SHANEFROMGA]

After finding out the real facts about what happened, how pissed is vince that he cancelled
the big "i'm blowed to shit" story line over benoits death??

[Friday]

It took us 6 months to get to 594 posts in the RON BENNINGTON LOTD Thread....

....but it has been less than THREE DAYS and we are already at 594 and growing here!

Benoit vs Bennington '07

The winner is a dead family killer.

Sad statement for the state of RonFez.net


wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[SHANEFROMGA]

it seems most canuck wresters don't really seem like they can get a joke, which is wierd considering the amount of great comedy that comes from canada.
maybe spending all day being wrapped up into a ball by stew hart in the dungeon
will do that to you.!?

[Death Metal Moe]

And Moe crushes one over the centerfield wall.

Thank you sir.

The time for hushed respect is over. The time for black humor at Benoit's expense is here.

It's already begun over at You're the Man Now Dog and of course, Wackbag.

He was a great wrestler, but learning what he did leaves me with a feeling of disdain for the man. He is now comedy fodder.

[ScottFromGA]

It took us 6 months to get to 594 posts in the RON BENNINGTON LOTD Thread....

....but it has been less than THREE DAYS and we are already at 594 and growing here!

Benoit vs Bennington '07

The winner is a dead family killer.

Sad statement for the state of RonFez.net


wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


so...your saying that Mr. B should kill Earl and Dave...then Fez....then kill himself.....and his LOTD thread will grow?

[Tenbatsuzen]

He told Chavo he loved him. The "S" could be his other good friend Steven Regal OR maybe Edge... whats his real name? Start with an S?
Or it could be Steph...



You didn't read the timeline. The phone conversations and the text messages were to the same two people. One was an "unnamed co-worker" (Chavo), and the other person worked in Talent Relations. As Regal nor Edge works in Talent Relations, and the known people who work in talent relations are Laurentis, Ross, and Stephanie, I have a feeling it's Steph.

[Tenbatsuzen]

It took us 6 months to get to 594 posts in the RON BENNINGTON LOTD Thread....

....but it has been less than THREE DAYS and we are already at 594 and growing here!

Benoit vs Bennington '07

The winner is a dead family killer.

Sad statement for the state of RonFez.net


wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Well, if it's the line "of the day", and there's 180 days in six months, then you're doing quite well. Simple logic and numbers, really.

[spadanko]

Not sure if you guys saw/heard (which I am sure you did) vince came out on ECW last night and basically seemed pretty pissed off for doing teh tribute

[ChimneyFish]

After finding out the real facts about what happened, how pissed is vince that he cancelled
the big "i'm blowed to shit" story line over benoits death??

I just heard what really happened this morning, and I was thinking the same thing.

[Tenbatsuzen]

so...your saying that Mr. B should kill Earl and Dave...then Fez....then kill himself.....and his LOTD thread will grow?

Will Dave be the one shot up with HGH?













Insert Carrot Top picture *here*.

[SHANEFROMGA]

Not sure if you guys saw/heard (which I am sure you did) vince came out on ECW last night and basically seemed pretty pissed off for doing teh tribute

is vince gonna pull a "crisis of infinate wwe" and wipe benoit out of the books???

[SHANEFROMGA]

is vince gonna pull a "crisis of infinate wwe" and wipe benoit out of the books???

i misspell things like goon!!!

[AnnoyedGrunt]

it seems most canuck wresters don't really seem like they can get a joke, which is wierd considering the amount of great comedy that comes from canada.
maybe spending all day being wrapped up into a ball by stew hart in the dungeon
will do that to you.!?

I don't know, Jericho, Edge and Christian seem like funny enough guys. And wasn't Owen known for his pranks?

[SHANEFROMGA]

I don't know, Jericho, Edge and Christian seem like funny enough guys. And wasn't Owen known for his pranks?

good point i was thing of like lance storm, bret hart, and a few others,
so okay some are funny. good call

[Dougie Brootal]

so...your saying that Mr. B should kill Earl and Dave...then Fez....then kill himself.....and his LOTD thread will grow?

you forgot, after fez he kills lilly...slowly...cuz he's got his own problems.

[SHANEFROMGA]

you forgot, after fez he kills lilly...slowly...cuz he's got his own problems.

does he kill her the same day or does he make her see the dead bodies for a whole day then do it? also where would he get a qur'an on such short notice?

[Dougie Brootal]

you forgot, after fez he kills lilly...slowly...cuz he's got his own problems.

does he kill her the same day or does he make her see the dead bodies for a whole day then do it? also where would he get a qur'an on such short notice?

i would think part of the slow killing would be making her witness the destruction from the previous day. maybe drag it out long enough to have a copy of the qu'raan ordered off of amazon.com and delivered. maximum brutality!

[SHANEFROMGA]

i would think part of the slow killing would be making her witness the destruction from the previous day. maybe drag it out long enough to have a copy of the qu'raan ordered off of amazon.com and delivered. maximum brutality!

hahaha sweet!!!1

[foodcourtdruide]

you forgot, after fez he kills lilly...slowly...cuz he's got his own problems.

haha nice!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think for the Fez-as-Benoit corollary to work, Ron has to die in his sleep, discovered in his hotel room by the lead singer of Linkin Park. He had no drugs in his system; just years of abuse took their tool.

[spadanko]

is vince gonna pull a "crisis of infinate wwe" and wipe benoit out of the books???


well he is alrady off the website... no mention of him aside from the main story. no more prodcuts and name removed from all PPVs

[Tenbatsuzen]

This NEVER happened, and let us never speak of it again!

[SHANEFROMGA]

well he is alrady off the website... no mention of him aside from the main story. no more prodcuts and name removed from all PPVs

so all the great benoit matches i watched never happened!?!?!?!?
"y'can't tell me i don't remember it. i do"

[ScottFromGA]

I think for the Fez-as-Benoit corollary to work, Ron has to die in his sleep, discovered in his hotel room by the lead singer of Linkin Park. He had no drugs in his system; just years of abuse took their TOLL.

fix it for ya, Tenbats.

[Dougie Brootal]

so all the great benoit matches i watched never happened!?!?!?!?
"y'can't tell me i don't remember it. i do"

fix it for ya, Tenbats.

seriously bro, enough with the board characters! you're worse than lleeder!

[SHANEFROMGA]

seriously bro, enough with the board characters! you're worse than lleeder!

shane from ga older brother of scott from ga
not the same, he's like lamer me, and thats saying alot!!

[ralphbxny]

shane from ga older brother of scott from ga
not the same, he's like lamer me, and thats saying alot!!

First Sailor and Marc with a c now this!!!!

[SHANEFROMGA]

First Sailor and Marc with a c now this!!!!

exactly

[TheMojoPin]

OK, this thread is too huge for me to wade through...anyone else hear the reports that it looks like he was injecting his kid with HGH?

If that's true, man, what a winner.

[SHANEFROMGA]

OK, this thread is too huge for me to wade through...anyone else hear the reports that it looks like he was injecting his kid with HGH?

If that's true, man, what a winner.

the kid looked like a dwarf, maybe benoits are small big foreheaded people
and chrissie couldn't stand it.

[Kevin]

OK, this thread is too huge for me to wade through...anyone else hear the reports that it looks like he was injecting his kid with HGH?

If that's true, man, what a winner.

Yea, they found needle marks on him.. They say the fam thought he was not growing enough.. 7 years old..

[Friday]

This is just one article dedicated to explaining the use of HGH
It seems to be beneficial in some uses, controversial in others.
Like any radically life changing medical treatment... passionate arguments both for and against.
It is approved, however, by the FDA ....

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/human_growth_hormone.htm

[Tenbatsuzen]

If the prosecutor said the kid was undersized, let's take him at his word; it's entirely possible he was very small. I'm not condoning the HGH use, but maybe it was being used for a benefit.

[SatCam]

You wouldn't start trying to get the kid to grow until he hit puberty and he wasn't growing. He was 7 years old! he many years ahead to grow...

[SHANEFROMGA]

my two year old isn't growing fast enough, where can i get me some hgh?

[TheMojoPin]

This is just one article dedicated to explaining the use of HGH
It seems to be beneficial in some uses, controversial in others.
Like any radically life changing medical treatment... passionate arguments both for and against.
It is approved, however, by the FDA ....

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/human_growth_hormone.htm

For use on healthy children?

[Tenbatsuzen]

You wouldn't start trying to get the kid to grow until he hit puberty and he wasn't growing. He was 7 years old! he many years ahead to grow...

Someone I know has huge concerns about their 6 year old daughter being incredibly undersized. By comparison, her sister is four and is nearly the same size.

[BeltOfScotch]

If the prosecutor said the kid was undersized, let's take him at his word; it's entirely possible he was very small. I'm not condoning the HGH use, but maybe it was being used for a benefit.

Maybe he just didn't want to see his kid grow up and be called a Vanilla Midget

[Friday]

HGH is often used on pre-pubescent children.
In some studies the mean age was around 5yrs.

For use on healthy children?

Taken from the article:

The use of Human Growth Hormone in short children who are normal and have no GH deficiency is quite controversial. hGH seems to work well in children with a GH deficiency, but questions have arisen about whether the same can be said for children without a deficiency.

Growth Hormone therapy appears to improve the height velocity in many short children, at least in the initial stages of therapy, although it also accelerates bone maturation (Kawai et al., 1997). This maturation may counteract the height improvements in some patients and may have an adverse effect on final height (Kawai et al., 1997).

The other side of the controversy is that treatment of non-GH-deficient children is justified. Children are socialized in many ways. Short children are socialized according to their height rather than chronologic age (Sandberg et al., 1994). It is said they are stigmatized by deviant appearance and have low self-esteem, poor academic achievement, and poor social skills (Sandberg et al., 1994).

[MJ]

Not sure if this was posted anywhere, but I found this on another site....


Canadian female Pam Winthrope told News 1130 in Canada that Chris Benoit's son had a genetic condition called Fragile X syndrome.

According to WebMD, "Fragile X Syndrome is a defect of the X chromosome which causes mild mental retardation. The disorder occurs more frequently and severely among males than females. This condition is the leading known familial cause of mental retardation in the United States. Language delays, behavioral problems, autism or autistic-like behavior (including poor eye contact and hand-flapping), enlarged external genitalia (macroorchidism), large or prominent ears, hyperactivity, delayed motor development and/or poor sensory skills are among the wide range of symptoms associated with this disorder."

Winthrope, whose son also suffers from the condition, told the Canadian news outlet that her husband reached out to Benoit five years ago in an attempt to increase awareness about Fragile X.

She told News 1130, "We talked to him because I was trying to set up a support group in BC and in Canada, we only have a couple of them. My husband was struggling when we got diagnosed with our son, and Chris was struggling with his. They talked for a few minutes and then he said he didn't want to be a public face for Fragile X, he just wanted to keep it really, really quiet."

Winthrope noted that the lack of support for those affected by the disorder can tear families apart. Nonetheless, "she couldn't believe the news that Benoit had taken his life along with his wife and 7-year-old son," wrote News 1130.

This may explain why Daniel was taking growth hormone injections. It also may shed light onto why Chris didn't want someone else raising his son and made the fateful decision to kill him. As irrational and twisted as it may sound, he may have felt he was saving his son from the double-blow of losing his parents through a murder-suicide and being subject to being raised by people who didn't understand or care for his condition.

[SHANEFROMGA]

isn't fragile x the name of the villan sam jackson played in unbreakable?

[MJ]

isn't fragile x the name of the villan sam jackson played in unbreakable?

I thought it was Mr. Glass

[SHANEFROMGA]

I thought it was Mr. Glass

thats right fragile x was his muslem brother

[Tenbatsuzen]

Not sure if this was posted anywhere, but I found this on another site....


Canadian female Pam Winthrope told News 1130 in Canada that Chris Benoit's son had a genetic condition called Fragile X syndrome.

According to WebMD, "Fragile X Syndrome is a defect of the X chromosome which causes mild mental retardation. The disorder occurs more frequently and severely among males than females. This condition is the leading known familial cause of mental retardation in the United States. Language delays, behavioral problems, autism or autistic-like behavior (including poor eye contact and hand-flapping), enlarged external genitalia (macroorchidism), large or prominent ears, hyperactivity, delayed motor development and/or poor sensory skills are among the wide range of symptoms associated with this disorder."

Winthrope, whose son also suffers from the condition, told the Canadian news outlet that her husband reached out to Benoit five years ago in an attempt to increase awareness about Fragile X.

She told News 1130, "We talked to him because I was trying to set up a support group in BC and in Canada, we only have a couple of them. My husband was struggling when we got diagnosed with our son, and Chris was struggling with his. They talked for a few minutes and then he said he didn't want to be a public face for Fragile X, he just wanted to keep it really, really quiet."

Winthrope noted that the lack of support for those affected by the disorder can tear families apart. Nonetheless, "she couldn't believe the news that Benoit had taken his life along with his wife and 7-year-old son," wrote News 1130.

This may explain why Daniel was taking growth hormone injections. It also may shed light onto why Chris didn't want someone else raising his son and made the fateful decision to kill him. As irrational and twisted as it may sound, he may have felt he was saving his son from the double-blow of losing his parents through a murder-suicide and being subject to being raised by people who didn't understand or care for his condition.


+1 MJ. This was a "Of Mice and Men" deal. "Normal" kids in foster care can be maltreated. I can only imagine what a special needs kid would go through "in the system".

[Tenbatsuzen]

thats right fragile x was his muslem brother

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAL!

[Tenbatsuzen]

And finally this morning, Stone Cold Steve Austin's ex-wife Debra Williams has spoken out about the Benoit -- and her own -- situation, saying her story is similar to Nancy Benoit's and that she was under a gag order for a year not to talk about the last time Austin abused her. In a video segment attached to the online story, Williams says about Austin, "Steroids! He was doing steroids. I saw him do it, so I know he did it." She goes on to say that "I have lived it. I have lived domestic abuse. I don't even want to think about what Nancy went through ... Why kill your wife, who's innocent, and why kill your seven year old, a little child? That's why I have to speak up. I've been silent for too many years."

When is there a gag order on victims? It was a financial settlement that you accepted.

[ScottFromGA]

shane from ga older brother of scott from ga
not the same, he's like lamer me, and thats saying alot!!

he was suppose to be my mystery partner in my cage match against ScottinNJ....fucker was to impatient and had to ruin the bit.


stick to the bit, mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

[SHANEFROMGA]

he was suppose to be my mystery partner in my cage match against ScottinNJ....fucker was to impatient and had to ruin the bit.


stick to the bit, mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

sorry i shot the wod early

[Dougie Brootal]

all right get a room you two!!!

[ScottFromGA]

sorry i shot the wad early

so thats why you have 2 kids......


ohhhhhhhh.

[MJ]

This story is getting more surreal by the day.....


Benoit's son may have died in a choke hold:

ABC News and CNN are reporting that they talked with District Attourney Scott Ballard, and he said that investigators believe Chris Benoit killed his seven-year-old son, Daniel, with a wrestling choke hold.

Daniel was found face down on his bed, but authorities said they do not know whether he was sleeping when he was killed. Ballard said authorities believe the child was asphyxiated using a choke hold. The DA didn't offer anymore details.

[Dougie Brootal]

This story is getting more surreal by the day.....


Benoit's son may have died in a choke hold:

ABC News and CNN are reporting that they talked with District Attourney Scott Ballard, and he said that investigators believe Chris Benoit killed his seven-year-old son, Daniel, with a wrestling choke hold.

Daniel was found face down on his bed, but authorities said they do not know whether he was sleeping when he was killed. Ballard said authorities believe the child was asphyxiated using a choke hold. The DA didn't offer anymore details.

not on their websites they're not...

[SHANEFROMGA]

roid rage is bitch, poor little kid.... that's not a short joke.

[MJ]

not on their websites they're not...

probably should have included links my bad...

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3320736

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/27/wrestler/

[Doctor Z]

thats right fragile x was his muslem brother

This guy is hilarious, where'd he come from?

Welcome aboard.

[Doctor Z]

When is there a gag order on victims? It was a financial settlement that you accepted.

Yeah... plus, he DID warn her, but she just wouldn't shut up.


And dinner was late.

[Dougie Brootal]

probably should have included links my bad...

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3320736

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/27/wrestler/

cool. im lazy. you were right though! thanks!

[AKA]

Taken from the article:

Short children are socialized according to their height rather than chronologic age (Sandberg et al., 1994). It is said they are stigmatized by deviant appearance and have low self-esteem, poor academic achievement, and poor social skills (Sandberg et al., 1994).

Ya know - the article lost me here - the way I look at it, that's just an excuse - who is to say that the same child stigmatizecd for being short wouldn't be stigmatized by something else? I look back at pictures of myself as a kid, and I definatley don't look the way I thought i did, but I had the oddest/worst self image. On the flip side, I can think of two examples of shorter than average boys who were never stigmatized by their height - both were maybe the most popular kids in their respective classes.

One was the brother of an old high school girlfriend (going back MANY years ago), and another is a recently the son of some friends of mine. He looks like he's about 9 or 10, but is actually 13 and acts all of 21. He was out at a public social event with the rest of his family, and his older cousins didn't have half his cock-sureness, or self-confidence. He was chatting up girls from his school who were a good foot or more taller than him, and he had them completely swooning.

Like the brother of the girlfriend, he's going to be normal height one day, he's just taking his time - and like that other kid, he has a great support system with his family, especially his folks.

On the flip side of THAT, I have a nephew who had the opposite problem, and it wasn't as easy as people would think (looking older than you are), but he coped - eventually all his friends caught up - and all is good. Kids need reinforcement constantly of the bigger picture.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Yeah... plus, he DID warn her, but she just wouldn't shut up.


And dinner was late.

Apparently, Spousal Abuse in the Austin household consists of the dishes not being washed, so Steve crashes through the kitchen with a coors light truck, spraying down the kitchen, the dishes, and Debra with the silver bullet.

[SHANEFROMGA]

when benoit and his wife would argue, do you think he would chop her to the floor, then give her the flyin' headbutt off the back of the couch?

[ChimneyFish]

Apparently, Spousal Abuse in the Austin household consists of the dishes not being washed, so Steve crashes through the kitchen with a coors light truck, spraying down the kitchen, the dishes, and Debra with the silver bullet.

Now that would be a beer commercial.

[lleeder]

This story is getting more surreal by the day.....


Benoit's son may have died in a choke hold:

.

So you're saying it was a missed spot?

[MadMatt]

How did this thread degenerate into jokes about spousal abuse?

[Earlshog]

How did this thread degenerate into jokes about spousal abuse?


degenerate or evolve?

[Kevin]

Nothing more on the story for now.. So the Vultures are picking at it..

[Don Stugots]

How did this thread degenerate into jokes about spousal abuse?

Nothing more on the story for now.. So the Vultures are picking at it..

thats how.

[fluffernutter]

Any possible way to not make light of a woman and child dying and spoual abuse?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Any possible way to not make light of a woman and child dying and spoual abuse?

The joke was made due to a woman who was hungry for the spotlight comparing a double murder to her situation where she got a massive financial settlement.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And not for nothing... isn't choking a person... technically... a chokehold? I mean, there's nothing scientific in a chokehold. It doesn't make it exclusive to wrestling.

[Don Stugots]

Any possible way to not make light of a woman and child dying and spoual abuse?

have matty try to make a joke? seems to work with everything else.

[Heather 8]

Any possible way to not make light of a woman and child dying and spoual abuse?

I concur. I have half this thread on ignore as it is.

[JesterOfSadness]

I concur. I have half this thread on ignore as it is.

I say just lock it, as the jokes would continue on until page...38.

[scottinnj]

I'm not saying that the WWE is responsible. But just as the MSM painted Imus as a card-carrying klan member, (even though he wasn't), they can do the same with the WWE, where the environment promotes constant injury, mental and physical fatigue, fractured families, and of course, rampant drug use.


This is too horrific to not be painted a certain way.

[scottinnj]

How did this thread degenerate into jokes about spousal abuse?



Easy. Benoit is scum and nobody really knows his family. Perfect foundation for a pyramid.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I concur. I have half this thread on ignore as it is.

Hi.

[AppleBoy]

Did anyone else notice that the normal theme music for ECW ('Bodies' by Drowning Pool) didn't get used last night? Another good PR move, IMHO.

[johnniehardrock]

I just logged on and saw there were 666 posts on this thread so I wanted to make it go away. I already said my piece about this crazy shit

Cheers from a still wet and cold London

[Tenbatsuzen]

Did anyone else notice that the normal theme music for ECW ('Bodies' by Drowning Pool) didn't get used last night? Another good PR move, IMHO.

It's the second time they stopped using that song. First time was post 9/11.

[Friday]

How did this thread degenerate into jokes about spousal abuse?

As my mom (who is dead... not by violent means, but i promise you she suffered a more agonizing existence and death than all three Benoit family members...) used to swear...

You have to laugh and find humor in the misery. If you don't you will die a miserable person.

[Sweet Escape Artist]

Gallows humor is usually self depreciating, not targeting a recently murdered woman and child.

[Don Stugots]

I just logged on and saw there were 666 posts on this thread so I wanted to make it go away. I already said my piece about this crazy shit

Cheers from a still wet and cold London

can you bring me back some cigars?

[Death Metal Moe]

Oh please, people are starting to get all fucking stuck up about Benoit jokes now?

Fuck him, he killed his family and himself. He gets no respect. He is open season.

[Kevin]

Turns out Benoit's son was mentally Retarded.. I think that makes my putting him out of his misery theory a little more plausible..

[CYYYFYYY]

I do not believe he was retarded but even if he was it is ok to kill him. Sheesh. Maybe we can kill all the handicap people because they just don't enjoy the good life. Beniot was healthy and killed himself so I guess someone who is not healthy can never be happy. Damn. Beniot was an ASSHOLE lets not look into how I can understand. he killed his wife also. Was she mentally impaired?

[Doctor Z]

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g113/carla21dunn/Miceandmen.gif

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0451163966.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

I do not believe he was retarded but even if he was it is ok to kill him. Sheesh. Maybe we can kill all the handicap people because they just don't enjoy the good life. Beniot was healthy and killed himself so I guess someone who is not healthy can never be happy. Damn. Beniot was an ASSHOLE lets not look into how I can understand. he killed his wife also. Was she mentally impaired?

Stop. No one is condoning what Benoit did. He left no note, he had no motive that is visible, people are trying to make sense of it. He wasn't SANE.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

They were talking about this on the local news radio station here in town. The host said that he was ashamed that Benoit was Canadian, the same way he'd be ashamed of Hitler if he was German. Seemed like a harsh comparison to me.

I mean, at least Hitler had mic skills.

[NickyL0885]

They were talking about this on the local news radio station here in town. The host said that he was ashamed that Benoit was Canadian, the same way he'd be ashamed of Hitler if he was German. Seemed like a harsh comparison to me.

I mean, at least Hitler had mic skills.

:lol:

[Scottyflamingo]

http://www.thecitizen.com/node/18177

It just got a lot more interesting.

[spadanko]

http://www.thecitizen.com/node/18177

It just got a lot more interesting.

wow

[Dougie Brootal]

http://www.thecitizen.com/node/18177

It just got a lot more interesting.

doesnt really look like a legit site. but if it is, theres gonna be trouble.....but i dont think so.

[Doctor Z]

That Wikipedia story is either bullshit from an illegitimate source, or it happened but it was a complete coincidence (people can post whatever the hell they want on Wikipedia, it could've been a speculating fan being an idiot.)

[ScottFromGA]

That Wikipedia story is either bullshit from an illegitimate source, or it happened but it was a complete coincidence (people can post whatever the hell they want on Wikipedia, it could've been a speculating fan being an idiot.)

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6965048?MSNHPHMA

If its bullshit...the major media is picking up on it.

this creeps me the fuck out now, seriously.

[spadanko]

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6965048?MSNHPHMA

If its bullshit...the major media is picking up on it.

this creeps me the fuck out now, seriously.


beat me to it.. was just going to post this link

[TheMojoPin]

Hey, I thought the New Warriors got Stamford blown off the map!

And I posted about the Wikipedia deal a while ago...

[Doctor Z]

So... this implies that someone KNEW about the murder before it happened, and decided to unburden their soul on Wikipedia.

Fuck it, this story is worthless.

[xample]

Yeah the whole Wikipedia thing is nutty.. and the fact that it was traced to Stamford, CT... craziness!

[ScottFromGA]

Yeah the whole Wikipedia thing is nutty.. and the fact that it was traced to Stamford, CT... craziness!

thats what made my interests poke up.

I have a wierd feeling that this very well may bring the WWE down a few pegs......if not kill it completely.

i.e. - Steroids and now this?

this is not good.

[Tenbatsuzen]

So... this implies that someone KNEW about the murder before it happened, and decided to unburden their soul on Wikipedia.

Fuck it, this story is worthless.

Dumb question (for the tech people out there):

If you're logged into a VPN, will your IP reflect that, and go back to the IP where the VPN originates, in the case, Stamford?

If WWE has a VPN for people to use on the road... hooo boy.

[Dougie Brootal]

Hey, I thought the New Warriors got Stamford blown off the map!

And I posted about the Wikipedia deal a while ago...

yeah i remember that. you said it wasnt edited from like last april till like monday or something. im too lazy to look. someone else wanna go back and find it?

[angrymissy]

Dumb question (for the tech people out there):

If you're logged into a VPN, will your IP reflect that, and go back to the IP where the VPN originates, in the case, Stamford?

If WWE has a VPN for people to use on the road... hooo boy.

My IP on my home office computer (which is VPN'ed in to the corporate network) shows my IP as originating out of corporate headquarters in the midwes.

[Tenbatsuzen]

My IP on my home office computer (which is VPN'ed in to the corporate network) shows my IP as originating out of corporate headquarters in the midwes.

Aw shit.

[Snacks]

Dumb question (for the tech people out there):

If you're logged into a VPN, will your IP reflect that, and go back to the IP where the VPN originates, in the case, Stamford?

If WWE has a VPN for people to use on the road... hooo boy.

Im stupid so what does VPN stand for and why is it important?

[MadMatt]

So... this implies that someone KNEW about the murder before it happened, and decided to unburden their soul on Wikipedia.

Fuck it, this story is worthless.

It wasn't before the murder happened, but before the public KNEW the murder happened. Benoit's wife had already been killed but supposedly nobody knew about it.

Either a fan was speculating and blindly and hit reality (they just said she was dead, not murdered), or somebody - most likely Benoit himself, a friend, or a coworker at WWE - found out about the situation and altered the Wkipedia entry.

[Fat_Sunny]

This Will Be Fat_Sunny's First And Last Post On This Thread, And It Is A Simple Question.

Of All The Millions Of Interesting And Earth-Shaking Things Going On In The World, Why In The World Is It This Thread That Has 700 Responses And Almost 15,000 Views??

Weird.

[MadMatt]

Im stupid so what does VPN stand for and why is it important?

Virtual Private Network - put simply, it's a way to securely "dial in" to your company's network from somewhere else to access all of your companies connections and resources.

[Doctor Z]

Okay, seriously though...
You just killed your wife, or your friend just killed their wife and told you about it.

First thing on your mind: BETTER UPDATE HIS WIKIPEDIA!

c'mon...

[Kevin]

if it comes out that Vince knew and he still went on with the tribute he is gunna get killed..

Remember Regals speech... He had to have heard something..

[prothunderball]

This Will Be Fat_Sunny's First And Last Post On This Thread, And It Is A Simple Question.

Of All The Millions Of Interesting And Earth-Shaking Things Going On In The World, Why In The World Is It This Thread That Has 700 Responses And Almost 15,000 Views??

Weird.

Damn FAT, I've been trying to answer your question and for the life on my I can't. Maybe it's not that simple after all.

[Friday]

This Will Be Fat_Sunny's First And Last Post On This Thread, And It Is A Simple Question.

Of All The Millions Of Interesting And Earth-Shaking Things Going On In The World, Why In The World Is It This Thread That Has 700 Responses And Almost 15,000 Views??

Weird.

My take on it....

The human psyche is a perfect mystery... full of twists and turns ... and when one goes horribly wrong we are drawn to it like rats to an underground feast.

Don't forget... this is also a website and radio show that caters to/attracts fans of pro wrestling... so this story, in particular, hits home.

Personally, I am just fixated on the story for its details... or lack thereof. So much speculation... but who will ever know what demons crept into this mans head and caused this series of events. I honestly feel a little sad for the guy. Moreso for the family... who will never have the answers the want/need.

[lleeder]

This Will Be Fat_Sunny's First And Last Post On This Thread, And It Is A Simple Question.

Of All The Millions Of Interesting And Earth-Shaking Things Going On In The World, Why In The World Is It This Thread That Has 700 Responses And Almost 15,000 Views??

Weird.

I think cause it has a face that people know. Many people have had exstensive or passing memories of Benoit so to hear about this story with a character they already knew interests them. Its kinda like the new OJ trial.

[Don Stugots]

This Will Be Fat_Sunny's First And Last Post On This Thread, And It Is A Simple Question.

Of All The Millions Of Interesting And Earth-Shaking Things Going On In The World, Why In The World Is It This Thread That Has 700 Responses And Almost 15,000 Views??

Weird.

maybe this will help:

most of us are wrestling fans. We follow the "sport" for years. We watch fads and faces come and go. We also watch some of these guys (and girls) grow, develop and change. We watch them get hurt and battle back from injury (real and fake). We also learn alittle bit of their personal lives, marriages, divorces, births and family deaths. We begin to feel like we know them and when someone you know snaps, it effects you.

[Fat_Sunny]

Fat Lied (Unintentionally), As He Will Now Make A Second Post.

Those Were 3 Good Explanations. Now It Makes More Sense.

[cougarjake13]

Fat Lied (Unintentionally), As He Will Now Make A Second Post.

Those Were 3 Good Explanations. Now It Makes More Sense.

ya know ive been a wrasslin fan and never heard of this beniot character

[Kevin]

ya know ive been a wrasslin fan and never heard of this beniot character

Benoit?? You mean the guy that play for the Jazz a while back?? He wrestled???

[Catgoturtongue4]

I loved Chris Benoit as a wrestler and its like soooo weird that he like took out his whole family. My question is was it that he went crazy, or just plain martial problem?.

[Bossanova]

I loved Chris Benoit as a wrestler and its like soooo weird that he like took out his whole family. My question is was it that he went crazy, or just plain martial problem?.

My question is, how the hell did you not get introduced to Bossanova :bye:

[Gvac]

My question is, how the hell did you not get introduced to Bossanova :bye:

I thought you were gay.

[Bossanova]

I thought you were gay.

SSSHHHHHH!!!! You're gonna roon it

[epo]

My question is, how the hell did you not get introduced to Bossanova :bye:

Or Dorothy Crosley?

[cougarjake13]

Benoit?? You mean the guy that play for the Jazz a while back?? He wrestled???

if you're talking about beniot benjamin then yeh i had no clue

[cougarjake13]

I thought you were gay.

sssssssshhhhhhhhhh

he's trying the i know pronounce you chuck and larry angle

[Bossanova]

Look, Gay is the new straight

[SHANEFROMGA]

Look, Gay is the new straight

does that mean straight is the new gay? well that would explain the weird feelings i've been having. point.

[Friday]

Look, Gay is the new straight

Even here you are being gay!

Is there no safe haven from the Gvac/Bossanova phreak phest!?

[Bossanova]

Even here you are being gay!

Is there no safe haven from the Gvac/Bossanova phreak phest!?

HAHA! I don't think we can hide it anywhere

[Heather 8]

maybe this will help:

most of us are wrestling fans. We follow the "sport" for years. We watch fads and faces come and go. We also watch some of these guys (and girls) grow, develop and change. We watch them get hurt and battle back from injury (real and fake). We also learn alittle bit of their personal lives, marriages, divorces, births and family deaths. We begin to feel like we know them and when someone you know snaps, it effects you.

And also, it apparently gives some posters carte blanche to make tasteless jokes.

(Not directed at you, Stugots...)

[SHANEFROMGA]

Thank you sir.

The time for hushed respect is over. The time for black humor at Benoit's expense is here.

It's already begun over at You're the Man Now Dog and of course, Wackbag.

He was a great wrestler, but learning what he did leaves me with a feeling of disdain for the man. He is now comedy fodder.

i was just doing what dmm said, look i'm a stupid follower

[lleeder]

I was sad to see Lafontaine traded but Benoit Hogue had a couple of nice seasons for the Islanders along with Pierre Turgeon.

[Friday]

I was sad to see Lafontaine traded but Benoit Hogue had a couple of nice seasons for the Islanders along with Pierre Turgeon.

mmmmmm Pierre Turgeon.......

[Doctor Z]

My take on it....

The human psyche is a perfect mystery... full of twists and turns ... and when one goes horribly wrong we are drawn to it like rats to an underground feast.

Don't forget... this is also a website and radio show that caters to/attracts fans of pro wrestling... so this story, in particular, hits home.

Personally, I am just fixated on the story for its details... or lack thereof. So much speculation... but who will ever know what demons crept into this mans head and caused this series of events. I honestly feel a little sad for the guy. Moreso for the family... who will never have the answers the want/need.

Pretty much nailed it right there.

[lleeder]

mmmmmm Pierre Turgeon.......

Does he know what you prefer? (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61294)

[K.C.]

So I've just been taking in this situation because I wasn't really sure what to make of it. Anyway, I think I've kind of figured out how I feel about it now.

First, Benoit...it's amazing...he was apparently one of these guys who wanted to be remembered by his peers and fans as the greatest in-ring wrestler ever, and worked hard to preserve that legacy. Now, he'll be known as nothing more than the guy who murdered his family. And he really deserves nothing less.

I think I'm going to check out a few matches sometime next week and see how I react to them. I don't think it's going to be an "I can't watch this" type of thing, but I think all the impressive stuff he used to do is just going to seem meaningless. Everything the guy did to establish himself in his career is wiped out.


The story has already evolved, though. WWE is in serious trouble on several levels because of this. Most immediately, the fact that one of their most popular stars was revealed as a sociopath who killed his family HAS to have a negative effect on its audience. Most of WWE's audience these days are children. I can't imagine a lot of parents clamoring to let their kids watch it after this thing broke.

But the bigger threat, that will evolve over time, is that this very well will probably lead to a federal investigation into wrestling in general, and congressional involvement with regards to steroids and illegal substances. Not that steroids has any relevance to Benoit's case at all. It doesn't matter at this point. The media has already hijacked the story.

And with the media driving this, the government can't ignore it anymore. They're going to have to do something, because the evidence is pretty damning when it comes to wrestling. And if there's a federal steroids probe in wrestling, the whole business could collapse, because pretty much everyone is one something. The steroids scandal in the early 90s is what set WWE on its path to almost going bankrupt in the mid-90s.

This one has the potential to be much larger and further reaching. If they link the company to wrestlers getting illegal substances, then they're definitely done. Even if they don't...when it comes out that so many of these top wrestlers are basically killing themselves with medications, it's going to lose it's mainstream/family audience which is what wrestling pretty much thrives on.

If Congress gets involved...WWE has some serious problems ahead.

[TheMojoPin]

This won't be the first time Vince has jumped the gun with a heartfelt tribute... (http://www.somethingawful.com/d/feature-articles/great-moments-wrestling.php)

[Don Stugots]

you really think he jumped he jumped the gun? if the timeline holds true, what should he have done?

[xample]

I finally posted a long blog about my current status with this deal here (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=21704851&blogID=281952527)

take it or leave it, but if you care to read.. enjoy.

[MikeB]

I dont know if someone has said this already but the same ip that put that she had died on wikipedia has a bunch of odd some what perverted edits through the last two months. It looks just like a bum that knew Benoit was married to woman and when the family problems came up he just guessed/made up she died.

[Doctor Z]

I dont know if someone has said this already but the same ip that put that she had died on wikipedia has a bunch of odd some what perverted edits through the last two months. It looks just like a bum that knew Benoit was married to woman and when the family problems came up he just guessed/made up she died.

Called that shit.

[Justice4all]

I thought you were gay.


http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1149494/photo_05_hires.jpg

You know how I know you're gay?

Because you have a rainbow bumper sticker on your car.

[ScottFromGA]

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1149494/photo_05_hires.jpg

You know how I know you're gay?

Because you have a rainbow bumper sticker on your car.

that rainbow sticker doesn't make him gay.....

it's the constant smell of man-member on his breath that makes him gay. :tongue:

[DarkHippie]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but Benoit's son daniel had Fragile X Syndrone, a Genetic disorder that can cause, among other things, mental retardation and autism. It also causes physical deformities such as stunted growth.

I wonder how much of this stems from Benoit not wanting to have an inferior son. There are rumors that he had been injecting HGH into his son to stimulate growth. But there's no such treatment for mental retardation.

It kills me that 40 years after Willowbrook people still think like that.

[prothunderball]

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit_mystery_editor_confesses:_Claims_%22t errible_coincidence%22
The Wiki editor has confessed, he claims it was a "terrible coincidence."

[Catgoturtongue4]

My question is, how the hell did you not get introduced to Bossanova ?:wacko:
humm, well im new here so i don't know many ppl lol.:wacko:

[TheMojoPin]

you really think he jumped he jumped the gun? if the timeline holds true, what should he have done?

I was just posting an amusing link.

[Captain America]

Chris Benoit = Obviously a nazi that flew in under Caps radar...If only I could been there to save his family....

God Bless America

[SHANEFROMGA]

Chris Benoit = Obviously a nazi that flew in under Caps radar...If only I could been there to save his family....

God Bless America

HOLY CRAP !!!!!!!!!!!!! I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD!!!!!

[ralphbxny]

HOLY CRAP !!!!!!!!!!!!! I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD!!!!!


Nope He was just banned by mods!!

[Captain America]

HOLY CRAP !!!!!!!!!!!!! I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD!!!!!

The rumors of my demise....or however that goes...Anyway, I am not dead...twas merely a flesh wound...keep the faith, good citizen! America stands strong against demons that created Chris "The Red Skull" Benoit....if only I could get out of this adamantine bunker that the evil Transgender Man has placed me in...Good citizen, gather your friends and neighbors and open the hatch to this bunker...you can find me under the mayors office in San Franciso, home of all that is evil and liberal...you will find the opening to the hatch buried under a huge red and yellow, hammer and sickle carpet under the mayors desk..

[Fallon]

Picture of Benoit hours before his rampage. (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13589422/detail.html#)
http://www.wsbtv.com/2007/0628/13589245.jpg
Looks creepy.

[Don Stugots]

The rumors of my demise....or however that goes...Anyway, I am not dead...twas merely a flesh wound...keep the faith, good citizen! America stands strong against demons that created Chris "The Red Skull" Benoit....if only I could get out of this adamantine bunker that the evil Transgender Man has placed me in...Good citizen, gather your friends and neighbors and open the hatch to this bunker...you can find me under the mayors office in San Franciso, home of all that is evil and liberal...you will find the opening to the hatch buried under a huge red and yellow, hammer and sickle carpet under the mayors desk..

now it seems like you are just attacking Mojo, which i hope you are not. regardless if i am a pain in his ass or not he is still ok in my book and no one should attack him or his beliefs. character or not.



Fallon, where did that pic come from? what is that shirt he is wearing?

[Captain America]

Are the rules here the same for everyone or just good ole Cap? I would like to see private messages going out to about 10 members that have attacked others for apparently no reason if that is the case...if its a case of just being a tool, well you did see the Johnny Cash photo I posted, eh?

[Fallon]

Fallon, where did that pic come from? what is that shirt he is wearing?
From his doctors office, don't know the shirt.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13589422/detail.html#

[Don Stugots]

Are the rules here the same for everyone or just good ole Cap? I would like to see private messages going out to about 10 members that have attacked others for apparently no reason if that is the case...if its a case of just being a tool, well you did see the Johnny Cash photo I posted, eh?

check your inbox before you start telling people to F off.

[Doctor Z]

Picture of Benoit hours before his rampage. (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13589422/detail.html#)
http://www.wsbtv.com/2007/0628/13589245.jpg
Looks creepy.

Jeeze... Looking at this picture, how could we NOT see this coming? The guy just LOOKS like your classic serial killer.

[DarkHippie]

The rumors of my demise....or however that goes...Anyway, I am not dead...twas merely a flesh wound...keep the faith, good citizen! America stands strong against demons that created Chris "The Red Skull" Benoit....if only I could get out of this adamantine bunker that the evil Transgender Man has placed me in...Good citizen, gather your friends and neighbors and open the hatch to this bunker...you can find me under the mayors office in San Franciso, home of all that is evil and liberal...you will find the opening to the hatch buried under a huge red and yellow, hammer and sickle carpet under the mayors desk..

Come on, Cap doesn't talk like that. He's got more of a 'common man' type of voice. And Cap was the 'liberal' voice of the Avengers, just like Iron Man was the 'conservative'.

[ScottFromGA]

Jeeze... Looking at this picture, how could we NOT see this coming? The guy just LOOKS like your classic serial killer.

seeing this picture makes me feel so bad for his family.....


he looks happy there....tired, but happy.

[Fallon]

I found a clearer image of the shirt.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5774/benstujw0.jpg

[JesterOfSadness]

Bah nvm..

[Tenbatsuzen]

I found a clearer image of the shirt.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5774/benstujw0.jpg

OVER THE MONSTER! INTO THE CITGO SIGN!

[Heather 8]

I found a clearer image of the shirt.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5774/benstujw0.jpg

Dammit, and my husband was in the lead for the "Spread the Stugots" contest!

(yeah, I give up and give in to the dark side)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Dammit, and my husband was in the lead for the "Spread the Stugots" contest!

(yeah, I give up and give in to the dark side)

Saddlesore from riding the high horse? Welcome back, Peachy!