The 2008 Presidential Race

[JerseySean]

You've forgotten that the Obama campaign has unlimited resources. Check and mate.

Its not money, its people and time. There are always limited resources.

[JerseySean]

In Iowa, Kerry Leads in Early Voting
The Des Moines Register's Iowa Poll "shows 48% of Iowans likely to vote in Tuesday's election, or who have already voted by absentee ballot," support Sen. John Kerry and 45% back President Bush.

"Twenty-seven percent of Iowa adults surveyed said they had already voted. Kerry leads Bush, 52 percent to 41 percent, among that group of early-bird voters."


Blast from the past

It could work this time around. According to the Ralston Report as of Tuesday, 183,252 Clark County voters had already gone to the polls – a record 24,042 on Tuesday alone. Add 34,744 absentee ballots delivered to election offices, and the total is 217,996. That means about a quarter of southern Nevada's registered voters have already cast ballots – that adds up to a lead for Kerry's of 7,042 for the early vote, and a slim lead in absentee ballots of 143. Kerry's total lead in Clark County is 7,185, adding up to a three percent advantage over Bush so far. Since most analysts see more Republicans voting early than Dems, the early lead for Kerry is seen as a good omen for the Kerry camp.

[TheMojoPin]

Next to nothing about this election season resembles 2004, especialy in terms of which states are tracking for who...why do you refuse to acknowledge that?

TAKE THE BET.

[albo60s]

Actually we are encouraging strong dems & everyone. The point is to diminish lines on Tuesday as to not discourage voters.

You know....encouraging democracy.


I'll enjoy that spacious empty town hall when I go to vote MCCAIN on Tuesday!!!!

[K.C.]

My final predictions:

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3507/finalmapuq9.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finalmapuq9.jpg)
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/finalmapuq9.jpg/1/w956.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img201/finalmapuq9.jpg/1/)


Popular Vote: Obama 53%, McCain 46%
Electoral Vote: Obama 374, McCain 164
Senate Alignment: Democrats 59*, Republicans 41 (*-Lieberman causing with Dems) (Dem pickups in Alaska, Colordo, Georgia, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Virginia)
House Alignment: Democrats 254, Republicans 185
Governorship Alignment: Democrats 29, Republicans 21

Biggest Democratic Pickup (other than the presidency) of the night: Al Franken defeating Norm Coleman for the Senate in Minnesota
Biggest Republican Pickup: There will be no pickups in the Presidential, Governor or Senate races. So I guess I'd have to say what their biggest victory will be then. McConnell holding on to his senate in Kentucky, and Roger Wicker defending the seat Mississippi will be the two biggest.

Worst Democratic Defeat: Tom Allen will lose by double digits to Susan Collins in the Maine senate race
Worst Republican Defeat (other than President): Coleman going down would hurt big time, but Chris Shays will lose his house seat in Connecticut, thus relegating the last semblance of GOP influence in New England to Maine.

Biggest Surprise of the night: McCain will win Arizona, but by less than 3%.

Closest races of the night: North Carolina and Georgia. Both will go well past the presidential race being called, and will be recounted in relation to the Senate races. In the end, Obama will take NC, McCain will take Georgia.


Colorado will put Obama over the top; we'll know the next President before midnight.

[GreatAmericanZero]

My final predictions:

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3507/finalmapuq9.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finalmapuq9.jpg)
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/finalmapuq9.jpg/1/w956.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img201/finalmapuq9.jpg/1/)




i think you're going to be way off

i think Obama is going to win NC more than hes going to win Ohio or Florida in my opinion

[K.C.]

i think you're going to be way off

i think Obama is going to win NC more than hes going to win Ohio or Florida in my opinion


There's a hotly contested Governors race and Senate race in NC. Both sides are going to turnout big time.

I just can't see it being a runaway.

Ohio and PA look to be firming up for Obama. I could see those races being called an hour and change after the polls close.

I don't have a feel for Florida yet.

[GreatAmericanZero]

There's a hotly contested Governors race and Senate race in NC. Both sides are going to turnout big time.

I just can't see it being a runaway.

Ohio and PA look to be firming up for Obama. I could see those races being called an hour and change after the polls close.

I don't have a feel for Florida yet.

Florida gives me faith because of the relocated new yorkers and the hispanics...but i fear the hayseeds cuz Florida has probably the most disgusting stupid redneck trash in this entire country too

I just know being from New York how many people recently have been relocating to NC and just hear so much about it, I guess I'm a bit closer to "feeling" the change in that state. Also it seems to have a lot of cities and a high urban population

Since I'm in Ohio, I don't have much faith cuz i see all the McCain/Palin stuff around..but they say Cincinnati area is a more conservative area so who knows?

[epo]

I want to point something interesting out. We've all talked about how the map is evolving and how some of us thing that Senator Obama is changing that map. Either way here is an indicator of how different 2008 is than 2004:

Obama's Saturday schedule: Nevada, Colorado and Missouri
Biden's Saturday schedule: Indiana and 2 stops in Ohio.

What is the connecting factor in those stops? ALL of those states voted for Bush in 2004.

Senator Obama has been able to shore up those Kerry voting states so well that he's expanded the map to the point that he is able to spend the last weekend before the election in exclusively traditionally "red" states.

That is amazing. The times, they are a changin'.

[AKA]

My final predictions:

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3507/finalmapuq9.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finalmapuq9.jpg)
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/finalmapuq9.jpg/1/w956.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img201/finalmapuq9.jpg/1/)


Popular Vote: Obama 53%, McCain 46%
Electoral Vote: Obama 374, McCain 164
Senate Alignment: Democrats 59*, Republicans 41 (*-Lieberman causing with Dems) (Dem pickups in Alaska, Colordo, Georgia, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Virginia)
House Alignment: Democrats 254, Republicans 185
Governorship Alignment: Democrats 29, Republicans 21

Biggest Democratic Pickup (other than the presidency) of the night: Al Franken defeating Norm Coleman for the Senate in Minnesota
Biggest Republican Pickup: There will be no pickups in the Presidential, Governor or Senate races. So I guess I'd have to say what their biggest victory will be then. McConnell holding on to his senate in Kentucky, and Roger Wicker defending the seat Mississippi will be the two biggest.

Worst Democratic Defeat: Tom Allen will lose by double digits to Susan Collins in the Maine senate race
Worst Republican Defeat (other than President): Coleman going down would hurt big time, but Chris Shays will lose his house seat in Connecticut, thus relegating the last semblance of GOP influence in New England to Maine.

Biggest Surprise of the night: McCain will win Arizona, but by less than 3%.

Closest races of the night: North Carolina and Georgia. Both will go well past the presidential race being called, and will be recounted in relation to the Senate races. In the end, Obama will take NC, McCain will take Georgia.


Colorado will put Obama over the top; we'll know the next President before midnight.

I like the cut of your jib, KC. Nice!

It looks clear, however, that Rep. Tim Mahoney (D) from Florida will more than likely be toast and that seat will go back to Republicans. Small consolation prize, however.

[thejives]

My final predictions:

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3507/finalmapuq9.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finalmapuq9.jpg)
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/finalmapuq9.jpg/1/w956.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img201/finalmapuq9.jpg/1/)



Montana and North Dakota are big surprises. I wouldn't dare to hope. However, KC has never been wrong before.

[K.C.]

Montana and North Dakota are big surprises. I wouldn't dare to hope. However, KC has never been wrong before.

Both states are pretty close right now, but I was reading Chuck Todd's column today, about what he's looking for on election day, and he actually made a pretty good point about State Parties.

One of the reasons that Obama is contesting so many states that Kerry and Gore didn't is because the Democrats have invested a ton of money in building complete party operations in all 50 states.

A lot of credit obviously goes to Obama, but a lot also goes to Howard Dean who really made that his objective when he took over.

Conversely, the RNC is a complete mess at the local level. There's states where local operations have just broken down, there's states that they're effectively pulling out of...the whole thing has been mismanged.

Montana is one of those states where the Democrats have a huge edge in terms of organization.

In states that are less than 5% in polls, organization makes all the difference in the world.

I'll confess I don't know a ton about North Dakota's politics, but I'm basically subscribing to the theory that they'll both go the same way, since they're so demographically similar, and they've polled almost indentically the entire election cycle.

[keithy_19]

KC, you're a fool.

I'm calling it right now.

Nader will be the next president of the United States of America.

You heard it hear first.

So it is written so it shall be done.

[thejives]

I would love to see the ground game actually deliver big in an election.

[brettmojo]

I couldn't resist...

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/1574/mccainmapyj8.jpg

[GreatAmericanZero]

I couldn't resist...

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/1574/mccainmapyj8.jpg

see if they had clever stuff like that on Anthony's "niggermania" site maybe i would agree with him that the site is funny

[JerseySean]

Both states are pretty close right now, but I was reading Chuck Todd's column today, about what he's looking for on election day, and he actually made a pretty good point about State Parties.

One of the reasons that Obama is contesting so many states that Kerry and Gore didn't is because the Democrats have invested a ton of money in building complete party operations in all 50 states.

A lot of credit obviously goes to Obama, but a lot also goes to Howard Dean who really made that his objective when he took over.

Conversely, the RNC is a complete mess at the local level. There's states where local operations have just broken down, there's states that they're effectively pulling out of...the whole thing has been mismanged.

Montana is one of those states where the Democrats have a huge edge in terms of organization.

In states that are less than 5% in polls, organization makes all the difference in the world.

I'll confess I don't know a ton about North Dakota's politics, but I'm basically subscribing to the theory that they'll both go the same way, since they're so demographically similar, and they've polled almost indentically the entire election cycle.

good points on everything! For Dems, the possibility of moving an electorate with a good ground op breaksdown as follows.

Urban+9
Suburbs+2
Rural- insignificant

For Republicans it is completely opposite

Urban-(-5) thats why we dont bother.
Suburbs (+8)
Rural (+1)

Montana GOP is a nightmare. But GOP state orgs are still better overall. Ohio, PA, FL, VA, etc are still better orgs than the Dem counterparts. However, that gap has closed significantly.

[TheMojoPin]

Sean...TAKE THE BET.

I think 5 of us are willing to be banned for life if McCain wins, maybe more.

TAKE THE BET.

[Kevin]

Sean...TAKE THE BET.

I think 5 of us are willing to be banned for life if McCain wins, maybe more.

TAKE THE BET.



I am in that. If McCain wins, i would take the ban for life penalty.

[epo]

Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster on the 2008 election: (http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7703000/7703725.stm)

"I cannot foresee a scenario that John McCain is elected president of the United States."

Luntz is a smart dude. If he's making statements like this...its obviously over.

[brettmojo]

see if they had clever stuff like that on Anthony's "niggermania" site maybe i would agree with him that the site is funny
I checked that out the other day and at first I thought it was just a mobile site for Wackbag.

[biozombie]

What happens if there's a big discrepancy between the winner of the popular & electoral votes this time?

[JerseySean]

What happens if there's a big discrepancy between the winner of the popular & electoral votes this time?

We follow the Constitution and the inner cities riot.

[biozombie]

just the inner cities?

[TheMojoPin]

Take the bet, Sean.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

I can't wait till all this shit is over. Kinda sick of it all.



political overkill - sounds like a good name for a band.

[thejives]

I can't wait till all this shit is over. Kinda sick of it all.



political overkill - sounds like a good name for a band.

What are you going to change your nic to?

[K.C.]

Montana GOP is a nightmare. But GOP state orgs are still better overall. Ohio, PA, FL, VA, etc are still better orgs than the Dem counterparts. However, that gap has closed significantly.

I've heard good things (the term 'good' may not be appropriate here...but they know how to win elections) about the GOP operations in Ohio and Florida.

But you're crazy if you think the GOP has a stronger operation than Rendell's in PA.

I don't know why you think the GOP organization is still strong in Virginia. They've been decimated in recent elections, and the Democrats have pounced on that state, similar to how they have on Colorado.

[celery]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11022008/photos/news004a.jpg

[PhilDeez]

I've heard good things (the term 'good' may not be appropriate here...but they know how to win elections) about the GOP operations in Ohio and Florida.

But you're crazy if you think the GOP has a stronger operation than Rendell's in PA.

I don't know why you think the GOP organization is still strong in Virginia. They've been decimated in recent elections, and the Democrats have pounced on that state, similar to how they have on Colorado.

Virginia is historically democratic at the state and local level - I think alot of it goes back to the southern democrat. We have, for my lifetime had a mix that slanted rep. in the congress and a split with the senate until Allen took Robbs seat several cycles ago. The GOP is strong in most of the state and aside from Northern Virginia I really think saying the Democrats have pounced on the state is a bit much.

[JerseySean]

I've heard good things (the term 'good' may not be appropriate here...but they know how to win elections) about the GOP operations in Ohio and Florida.

But you're crazy if you think the GOP has a stronger operation than Rendell's in PA.

I don't know why you think the GOP organization is still strong in Virginia. They've been decimated in recent elections, and the Democrats have pounced on that state, similar to how they have on Colorado.

From the standpoint of a State party apparatus, yes the Republican orgs are better. Rendell's "machine" is an old school type of quasi-govt machine. Virginia got hurt by bad policy and a bad national enviornment but as far as political orgs go, VA GOP is far better. I hear what you're saying, but as far as apparatus for winning elections goes, they are superior.

[JerseySean]

As far as my earlier posts on earlier voting.....

I wasnt clear when I said McCain has the advantage in those states. "Early Voting" and absentee voting are considered two different things there. My assertion included absentee mail ballots. Just want to be clear.

[TheMojoPin]

As far as my earlier posts on earlier voting.....

I wasnt clear when I said McCain has the advantage in those states. "Early Voting" and absentee voting are considered two different things there. My assertion included absentee mail ballots. Just want to be clear.

OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

Take the bet.

[albo60s]

I can't wait till all this shit is over. Kinda sick of it all.



political overkill - sounds like a good name for a band.


The rioting after McCain wins should go on well into next week. Will that be considered part of the election or a stand alone event?

[thejives]

The rioting after McCain wins should go on well into next week. Will that be considered part of the election or a stand alone event?

Oh I get it. You're funny.

[JerseySean]

My final predictions:

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3507/finalmapuq9.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finalmapuq9.jpg)
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/finalmapuq9.jpg/1/w956.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img201/finalmapuq9.jpg/1/)


Popular Vote: Obama 53%, McCain 46%
Electoral Vote: Obama 374, McCain 164
Senate Alignment: Democrats 59*, Republicans 41 (*-Lieberman causing with Dems) (Dem pickups in Alaska, Colordo, Georgia, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Virginia)
House Alignment: Democrats 254, Republicans 185
Governorship Alignment: Democrats 29, Republicans 21

Biggest Democratic Pickup (other than the presidency) of the night: Al Franken defeating Norm Coleman for the Senate in Minnesota
Biggest Republican Pickup: There will be no pickups in the Presidential, Governor or Senate races. So I guess I'd have to say what their biggest victory will be then. McConnell holding on to his senate in Kentucky, and Roger Wicker defending the seat Mississippi will be the two biggest.

Worst Democratic Defeat: Tom Allen will lose by double digits to Susan Collins in the Maine senate race
Worst Republican Defeat (other than President): Coleman going down would hurt big time, but Chris Shays will lose his house seat in Connecticut, thus relegating the last semblance of GOP influence in New England to Maine.

Biggest Surprise of the night: McCain will win Arizona, but by less than 3%.

Closest races of the night: North Carolina and Georgia. Both will go well past the presidential race being called, and will be recounted in relation to the Senate races. In the end, Obama will take NC, McCain will take Georgia.


Colorado will put Obama over the top; we'll know the next President before midnight.

Republican Seats

AL-02 (OPEN) GOP
FL-25 (M. Diaz-Balart)GOP
AK-AL (Young)Dem

AZ-03 (Shadegg)GOP
ID-01 (Sali)GOP
AZ-01 (OPEN)Dem

CA-50 (Bilbray)Dem
IN-03 (Souder)GOP
CA-04 (OPEN)GOP

FL-13 (Buchanan)GOP
LA-04 (OPEN)GOP
CO-04 (Musgrave)Dem

IA-04 (Latham)GOP
MD-01 (OPEN)Dem
CT-04 (Shays)GOP

IL-18 (OPEN)GOP
NE-02 (Terry)GOP
FL-08 (Keller)Dem

LA-07 (Boustany)GOP
NJ-07 (OPEN)Dem
FL-21 (L. Diaz-Balart)GOP

MO-06 (Graves)Dem
OH-01 (Chabot)GOP
FL-24 (Feeney)GoP

MO-09 (OPEN)GOP
WY-AL (OPEN) GOP
IL-10 (Kirk)GOP

NJ-05 (Garrett)GOP
IL-11 (OPEN)GOP

NV-02 (Heller)GOP
KY-02 (OPEN)GOP

OH-02 (Schmidt)GOP
MI-07 (Walberg)Dem

PA-06 (Gerlach)Dem
MI-09 (Knollenberg)Dem

PA-15 (Dent)GOP
MN-03 (OPEN)Dem

PA-18 (Murphy)GOP
MN-06 (Bachmann)Dem

SC-01 (Brown)Dem
NC-08 (Hayes)GOP

TX-07 (Culberson)GOP
NJ-03 (OPEN)Dem

TX-10 (McCaul)GOP
NM-01 (OPEN)Dem

VA-02 (Drake)Dem
NM-02 (OPEN)Dem

VA-05 (Goode)Dem
NV-03 (Porter)GOP

WV-02 (Capito)GOp
NY-13 (OPEN)Dem



NY-25 (OPEN)Dem

NY-26 (OPEN)Dem

NY-29 (Kuhl)GOP

OH-15 (OPEN)GOP

OH-16 (OPEN)Dem

PA-03 (English)Dem

VA-11 (OPEN)Dem

WA-08 (Reichert)GOP

Democrat Seats


TX-22 (Lampson)GOP
PA-11 (Kanjorski)GOP
FL-16 (Mahoney)GOP
PA-12 (Murtha)GOP
LA-06 (Cazayoux)GOP


The Dems will net a +17 in the House

Senate

Mississippi-Dem
Minnesota-GOP
Oregon-GOP
Virginia-Dem
Alaska-Dem
Louisiana-Dem (Hold)
Colorado-Dem
New Mexico-Dem
New Hampshire-Dem
North Carolina-Dem
Kentucky-GOP
Georgia-Will go to runoff and will hold GOP.

That is a +7 in the Senate.

Governor

MO-Dem
WA-GOP
NC-Dem

Presidential

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5527/evjt0.th.jpg (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evjt0.jpg)http://img293.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

McCain will win. Obama will not get what he needs to pull out of Philly. His plurality will be no more than 480k. He needs 550k coming out of Philly to win PA. He is gonna get slaughtered in western PA. the coal thing has hurt him in CO as well.

California gay marriage ban will be enacted. Black turnout will be high in CA and they will kill gay marriage.

[Kevin]

Republican Seats

AL-02 (OPEN) GOP
FL-25 (M. Diaz-Balart)GOP
AK-AL (Young)Dem

AZ-03 (Shadegg)GOP
ID-01 (Sali)GOP
AZ-01 (OPEN)Dem

CA-50 (Bilbray)Dem
IN-03 (Souder)GOP
CA-04 (OPEN)GOP

FL-13 (Buchanan)GOP
LA-04 (OPEN)GOP
CO-04 (Musgrave)Dem

IA-04 (Latham)GOP
MD-01 (OPEN)Dem
CT-04 (Shays)GOP

IL-18 (OPEN)GOP
NE-02 (Terry)GOP
FL-08 (Keller)Dem

LA-07 (Boustany)GOP
NJ-07 (OPEN)Dem
FL-21 (L. Diaz-Balart)GOP

MO-06 (Graves)Dem
OH-01 (Chabot)GOP
FL-24 (Feeney)GoP

MO-09 (OPEN)GOP
WY-AL (OPEN) GOP
IL-10 (Kirk)GOP

NJ-05 (Garrett)GOP
IL-11 (OPEN)GOP

NV-02 (Heller)GOP
KY-02 (OPEN)GOP

OH-02 (Schmidt)GOP
MI-07 (Walberg)Dem

PA-06 (Gerlach)Dem
MI-09 (Knollenberg)Dem

PA-15 (Dent)GOP
MN-03 (OPEN)Dem

PA-18 (Murphy)GOP
MN-06 (Bachmann)Dem

SC-01 (Brown)Dem
NC-08 (Hayes)GOP

TX-07 (Culberson)GOP
NJ-03 (OPEN)Dem

TX-10 (McCaul)GOP
NM-01 (OPEN)Dem

VA-02 (Drake)Dem
NM-02 (OPEN)Dem

VA-05 (Goode)Dem
NV-03 (Porter)GOP

WV-02 (Capito)GOp
NY-13 (OPEN)Dem



NY-25 (OPEN)Dem

NY-26 (OPEN)Dem

NY-29 (Kuhl)GOP

OH-15 (OPEN)GOP

OH-16 (OPEN)Dem

PA-03 (English)Dem

VA-11 (OPEN)Dem

WA-08 (Reichert)GOP

Democrat Seats


TX-22 (Lampson)GOP
PA-11 (Kanjorski)GOP
FL-16 (Mahoney)GOP
PA-12 (Murtha)GOP
LA-06 (Cazayoux)GOP


The Dems will net a +17 in the House

Senate

Mississippi-Dem
Minnesota-GOP
Oregon-GOP
Virginia-Dem
Alaska-Dem
Louisiana-Dem (Hold)
Colorado-Dem
New Mexico-Dem
New Hampshire-Dem
North Carolina-Dem
Kentucky-GOP
Georgia-Will go to runoff and will hold GOP.

That is a +7 in the Senate.

Governor

MO-Dem
WA-GOP
NC-Dem

Presidential

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5527/evjt0.th.jpg (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evjt0.jpg)http://img293.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

McCain will win. Obama will not get what he needs to pull out of Philly. His plurality will be no more than 480k. He needs 550k coming out of Philly to win PA. He is gonna get slaughtered in western PA. the coal thing has hurt him in CO as well.

California gay marriage ban will be enacted. Black turnout will be high in CA and they will kill gay marriage.



Take the bet then.

[JerseySean]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Km46QiDGe3ZKnM:http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/small_obama_image.jpg




http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:kIzIlafmegGE_M:http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/0fdd3c626d_patriotsTradeM315.jpg

[KnoxHarrington]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Km46QiDGe3ZKnM:http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/small_obama_image.jpg




http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:kIzIlafmegGE_M:http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/0fdd3c626d_patriotsTradeM315.jpg

Take the bet then.

[TheMojoPin]

Take the bet, Sean.

[celery]

Take the bet, Sean.

I'll leave, too.

So I think that's 5 for 1.

Take the bet.

[JerseySean]

Ill let you guys know at 6PM tomorrow.

[TheMojoPin]

No dice. You gotta accept by midnight tonight. 6 of us have put it on the line...you gotta do the same if you accept. BACK UP YOUR TOUGH TALK.

[JerseySean]

No dice. You gotta accept by midnight tonight. 6 of us have put it on the line...you gotta do the same if you accept. BACK UP YOUR TOUGH TALK.

I bet like Ronny B. After I catch some exits at noon and then at six tomorrow. Ill let you know.

[TheMojoPin]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

No bet.

[KnoxHarrington]

Here's something I was pondering this afternoon: after all the "The Clinton Brothers are destroying Obama's chances of being elected" talk in the primaries, has anyone else come to the conclusion that she helped more than she hurt in the end? The reason I think this is because I think it explains why so many of the McCain campaign's attacks have fallen so flat. Ayers, ACORN, Wright, whatever, it all sounds so played now. And I think a lot of voters think that if there were anything to these stories, if they were bad enough to derail his campaign, Hillary would have used them. That thought defuses them quite a bit.

I mean, I'm not willing to let her off the hook for an awful, scummy campaign, but I don't think it did the damage we feared at the time, and maybe helped to get some of this shit out in the open before the general election.

[IMSlacker]

http://www.abovethelaw.com/images/entries/animated%20siren%20gif%20animated%20siren%20gif%20 animated%20siren%20gif%20drudge%20report.GIF

Obama Marches Toward Victory (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/)

DEVELOPING....

[JerseySean]

Here's something I was pondering this afternoon: after all the "The Clinton Brothers are destroying Obama's chances of being elected" talk in the primaries, has anyone else come to the conclusion that she helped more than she hurt in the end? The reason I think this is because I think it explains why so many of the McCain campaign's attacks have fallen so flat. Ayers, ACORN, Wright, whatever, it all sounds so played now. And I think a lot of voters think that if there were anything to these stories, if they were bad enough to derail his campaign, Hillary would have used them. That thought defuses them quite a bit.

I mean, I'm not willing to let her off the hook for an awful, scummy campaign, but I don't think it did the damage we feared at the time, and maybe helped to get some of this shit out in the open before the general election.

well remember, it was a different electorate in the primary. There is also a different dynamic now in the campaign. To that end, Obama has gotten lucky. They have helped by being team players during the general and havent undercut him.

[AKA]

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii25/josepcanudas/ramones-1.jpg

Can't wait - we're almost there!

[PhilDeez]

Serious question. Do you think the recent leak of the coal fired power station comments by Obama will have enough backlash in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and even Virginia to make a difference? It's too late in my opinion, but who knows. Had the comment occurred/played a week or two ago, then yes I think this could have hurt Obama.

On another note, I just want to say thanks to all of you for your great insight over the last several months. I have always voted Republican, as do most of those surround me both professionally and privately; it is nice to get to read logical view points - from most of you - in support of, or in the odd opposition of, Obama that don't come from a crazed lunatic like Olberman or Hannity.

[JerseySean]

Serious question. Do you think the recent leak of the coal fired power station comments by Obama will have enough backlash in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and even Virginia to make a difference? It's too late in my opinion, but who knows. Had the comment occurred/played a week or two ago, then yes I think this could have hurt Obama.

On another note, I just want to say thanks to all of you for your great insight over the last several months. I have always voted Republican, as do most of those surround me both professionally and privately; it is nice to get to read logical view points - from most of you - in support of, or in the odd opposition of, Obama that don't come from a crazed lunatic like Olberman or Hannity.

I dont think it is having the effect that it could have if it came out a week ago, but it is definately having an effect in Western PA. I suspect that tomorrows PA tracking polls will have McCain moving +4. Is that enough, who knows.

[epo]

Serious question. Do you think the recent leak of the coal fired power station comments by Obama will have enough backlash in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and even Virginia to make a difference? It's too late in my opinion, but who knows. Had the comment occurred/played a week or two ago, then yes I think this could have hurt Obama.

On another note, I just want to say thanks to all of you for your great insight over the last several months. I have always voted Republican, as do most of those surround me both professionally and privately; it is nice to get to read logical view points - from most of you - in support of, or in the odd opposition of, Obama that don't come from a crazed lunatic like Olberman or Hannity.

No it won't matter and I'll tell you why.

McCain shot his load awhile ago. Having gone negative 6 weeks ago, America has gone tone deaf to it all and ain't listening anymore.

Outside of showing up on TV tonight with Bin Laden's head on a stick, McCain nor Obama is going to change many minds at this point.

[TheMojoPin]

I dont think it is having the effect that it could have if it came out a week ago, but it is definately having an effect in Western PA. I suspect that tomorrows PA tracking polls will have McCain moving +4. Is that enough, who knows.

Obama's lead is averaging +8 in PA right, so a 4 point bump for McCain won't do him much good.

[albo60s]

Obama's lead is averaging +8 in PA right, so a 4 point bump for McCain won't do him much good.

Ok so if 4% of Obama voters switch to McCain doesn't that make Penn even????
I think tomorrow is going to be a big surprise to the Dems!!!
Its NOT going to be a blowout.

[epo]

Ok so if 4% of Obama voters switch to McCain doesn't that make Penn even????
I think tomorrow is going to be a big surprise to the Dems!!!
Its NOT going to be a blowout.

Dream on and pay up for your Brewer tickets.

[Whiskeyportal]

Here's some good old fashioned propaganda

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

[albo60s]

Dream on and pay up for your Brewer tickets.

Got my invoice today. Yikes!!!!

[epo]

Got my invoice today. Yikes!!!!

Pay up! Cameron in CF doesn't pay for himself. :unsure:

[Kevin]

niether does CC's Yankees contract.

[epo]

niether does CC's Yankees contract.

Kevin, I hate you.

[JerseySean]

Here's some good old fashioned propaganda

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

Whatever. All I know is that the FBI wouldnt clear him to work as a secretary

[Kevin]

Kevin, I hate you.

You love me and you know it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

All I know, at about 10pm tomorrow, it's going to be like Sherriff Bart coming into Rock Ridge.

"THE PRESIDENT IS A - *CLANG*"

[JerseySean]

Here's some good old fashioned propaganda

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559
Does this guy really have a fucking brother named Abongo? I know hes not a muslim and all that, but his brother "Roy" changed his name to Abongo? What the fuck already.

[epo]

All I know, at about 10pm tomorrow, it's going to be like Sherriff Bart coming into Rock Ridge.

"THE PRESIDENT IS A - *CLANG*"

There's a new sheriff in town............

http://texansforobama.typepad.com/blog/images/obama_wearing_ray_skidmores_stetson.jpg

[Kevin]

Does this guy really have a fucking brother named Abongo? I know hes not a muslim and all that, but his brother "Roy" changed his name to Abongo? What the fuck already.

What does his bro have to do with him? HE did not change his name. Hell they asked him to change it to Barry or whatever. Who CARES what his bro's name is. Reps are so desperate that they are just grasping at itty bitty straws.

[JerseySean]

There's a new sheriff in town............

http://texansforobama.typepad.com/blog/images/obama_wearing_ray_skidmores_stetson.jpg

Im going to repost this just to keep you honest....


http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:kIzIlafmegGE_M:http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/0fdd3c626d_patriotsTradeM315.jpg
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Km46QiDGe3ZKnM:http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/small_obama_image.jpg

[Kevin]

Im going to repost this just to keep you honest....


http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:kIzIlafmegGE_M:http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/0fdd3c626d_patriotsTradeM315.jpg
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Km46QiDGe3ZKnM:http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/small_obama_image.jpg

Yea except he is going against the Oak Raiders instead of the NY Giants.

[tele7]

There's a new sheriff in town............

http://texansforobama.typepad.com/blog/images/obama_wearing_ray_skidmores_stetson.jpg

I don't want to hear it

[epo]

I don't want to hear it

Just another new kid in town....

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/08/16-22/obama-barack-biden-joe-vice-president-announcement.jpg

[JerseySean]

Just another new kid in town....

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/08/16-22/obama-barack-biden-joe-vice-president-announcement.jpg

Clean and well spoken if I may add

[TooLowBrow]

Just another new kid in town....

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/08/16-22/obama-barack-biden-joe-vice-president-announcement.jpg

i get the reference, but biden hasnt been called a kid since '47

[TheMojoPin]

Take the bet, Sean.

[epo]

Take the bet, Sean.

Isn't it a 6 for 1 deal?

[Kevin]

i get the reference, but biden hasnt been called a kid since '47

He has by McCain.

[JerseySean]

Take the bet, Sean.

Ill let you know at 6Pm tomorrow

[TheMojoPin]

I'm probably just gonna ban you anyways for so obviously punking out and not backing up your own smack talk with a legit bet.

[TooLowBrow]

is there a thread where we can place bets on this election?

[JerseySean]

I'm probably just gonna ban you anyways for so obviously punking out and not backing up your own smack talk with a legit bet.

Thats not how I roll.

[celery]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb44/JVM313/comments/chicken-pussy.gif

[Tenbatsuzen]

Don't ban Jersey Sean just so I can watch him implode tomorrow. He's like Anthony, just unfunny and no traffic girl quim.

[epo]

The first results are in...by their annual tradition:

Dixville Notch, NH (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/03/dixville.notch/?iref=hpmostpop)

Obama 15
McCain 6

Historically their votes:

2004: Bush 19, Kerry 7

2000: Bush 21, Gore 5

1996: Dole 18, Clinton 8

1992: Bush 15, Perot 8, Clinton 2

1988: Bush 34, Dukakis 3

[TooLowBrow]

Don't ban Jersey Sean just so I can watch him implode tomorrow. He's like Anthony, just unfunny and no traffic girl quim.

as the election approaches, anthony is turning into jerseysean

[JerseySean]

The first results are in...by their annual tradition:

Dixville Notch, NH (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/03/dixville.notch/?iref=hpmostpop)

Obama 15
McCain 6

Historically their votes:

2004: Bush 19, Kerry 7

2000: Bush 21, Gore 5

1996: Dole 18, Clinton 8

1992: Bush 15, Perot 8, Clinton 2

1988: Bush 34, Dukakis 3

Obviously not a good indicator

[JerseySean]

is there a thread where we can place bets on this election?

Make a prediction thread.

[TheMojoPin]

The first results are in...by their annual tradition:

Dixville Notch, NH (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/03/dixville.notch/?iref=hpmostpop)

Obama 15
McCain 6

Historically their votes:

2004: Bush 19, Kerry 7

2000: Bush 21, Gore 5

1996: Dole 18, Clinton 8

1992: Bush 15, Perot 8, Clinton 2

1988: Bush 34, Dukakis 3

Interesting...they clearly love their Republicans there, yet Obma has completely flipped the model of the last 40 years. Go tiny village!

[TheMojoPin]

as the election approaches, anthony is turning into jerseysean

That's really unfair to Sean.

[PapaBear]

The first results are in...by their annual tradition:

Dixville Notch, NH (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/03/dixville.notch/?iref=hpmostpop)

Obama 15
McCain 6

Historically their votes:

2004: Bush 19, Kerry 7

2000: Bush 21, Gore 5

1996: Dole 18, Clinton 8

1992: Bush 15, Perot 8, Clinton 2

1988: Bush 34, Dukakis 3
The population has really dwindled over the years!

[TooLowBrow]

That's really unfair to Sean.

its unfortunate for sean (and ant) but not unfail

[JerseySean]

as the election approaches, anthony is turning into jerseysean

I wish I was in his tax bracket.

[TooLowBrow]

I wish I was in his tax bracket.

me too, but im not. so i gotta vote obama

[Recyclerz]

me too, but im not. so i gotta vote obama

And then you will be? :wink:

I wish I was in his tax bracket.

Yay! We broke JerseySean and now he WANTS to pay high taxes!

[JerseySean]

And then you will be? :wink:

Paying higher taxes.

[JerseySean]

http://www.gallerym.com/images/work/big/associated%20press_dewey_defeats_truman_L.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.gallerym.com/images/work/big/associated%20press_dewey_defeats_truman_L.jpg

Silly reference. No polling in the last month+ of that race.

[TooLowBrow]

Paying higher taxes.

yeah i much prefer todays low low taxes, ill miss these

[JerseySean]

Silly reference. No polling in the last month+ of that race.

And no you're wrong. Gallup stopped two weeks out with 14% undecided.

[epo]

And no you're wrong. Gallup stopped two weeks out with 14% undecided.

Unlike the final Gallup poll this year:

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/mrnulxzape-lljb5t3tc0g.gif

[JerseySean]

Unlike the final Gallup poll this year:

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/mrnulxzape-lljb5t3tc0g.gif

In 1936, a "change" election, polling had Landon beating Roosevelt. Most undecideds will break McCain tomorrow. Obama will win the popular vote, McCain will win the electoral.

[TheMojoPin]

And no you're wrong. Gallup stopped two weeks out with 14% undecided.

That was the only poll in the last month (and it wasn't comprehensive) and like you said it stopped with two weeks to go. It was only an upset because nobody was paying attention as to what Truman's constant touring around the country until the final night was doing. In short, it's absolutely nothing like today's cycle.

[epo]

In 1936, a "change" election, polling had Landon beating Roosevelt. Most undecideds will break McCain tomorrow. Obama will win the popular vote, McCain will win the electoral.

Take the bet. Now.

[TheMojoPin]

In 1936, a "change" election, polling had Landon beating Roosevelt. Most undecideds will break McCain tomorrow. Obama will win the popular vote, McCain will win the electoral.

THEN TAKE THE GODDAMN BET.

[epo]

THEN TAKE THE GODDAMN BET.

Mojo....tell him all of the dirty liberals he can eliminate with this wager............

[JerseySean]

That was the only poll in the last month (and it wasn't comprehensive) and like you said it stopped with two weeks to go. It was only an upset because nobody was paying attention as to what Truman's constant touring around the country until the final night was doing. In short, it's absolutely nothing like today's cycle.

Youre right today is closer to 36. Noone knows the model. Noone. I look at Tennessee which has been strangely out of reach all along for Obama. It doesnt make much sense. Tennessee is usually a swing state in a strong Dem year. Why is it so off? Why is Louisiana so off? If this were a big Obama landslide, those states would be closer in play.

[tele7]

Mojo....tell him all of the dirty liberals he can eliminate with this wager............

filthy....and I'm in too

[JerseySean]

Mojo....tell him all of the dirty liberals he can eliminate with this wager............

I enjoy a spirited debate with you folks. I dont want to have you all removed.

[TheMojoPin]

Like, half a dozen of the people who have been harping on him can be banished forever with a single click of the mouse if he JUST. TAKES. THE. BET.

[PapaBear]

Why mess with polls anyway? The only true indicator is the Redskins game. It's been right 17 out of the last 18 elections, and this year's results predict an Obama win. It's the only reason I'm not depressed about tonight's loss. Disappointed... but not depressed.

[TheMojoPin]

Youre right today is closer to 36. Noone knows the model. Noone. I look at Tennessee which has been strangely out of reach all along for Obama. It doesnt make much sense. Tennessee is usually a swing state in a strong Dem year. Why is it so off? Why is Louisiana so off? If this were a big Obama landslide, those states would be closer in play.

It's nothing like '36. That makes absolutely no sense. Stop talking like the polls and tracking like it's some kind of mystical system that we barely understand. Is it in infallable? Of course not, but there aee too many clear trends and pattern from so many sources to ignore. You're constantly ignoring dozens of polls because you think 1 or 2 are "off"...that's terrible logic and reasoning.

[JerseySean]

It's nothing like '36. That makes absolutely no sense. Stop talking like the polls and tracking like it's some kind of mystical system that we barely understand. Is it in infallable? Of course not, but there aee too many clear trends and pattern from so many sources to ignore. You're constantly ignoring dozens of polls because you think 1 or 2 are "off"...that's terrible logic and reasoning.

No, I am saying most of them are off. This isnt a Gubernatorial race in an off year in NJ or KY. We shall see tomorrow.

[TooLowBrow]

No, I am saying most of them are off. This isnt a Gubernatorial race in an off year in NJ or KY. We shall see tomorrow.

craggle craggle!

[JerseySean]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:w68cq1FQ6uJltM:http://www.jindalisgood.com/images/160_thomas_dewey.jpg


http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Fw-apeTzMyBbeM:http://bp1.blogger.com/_dAd_RHGzUx0/R7mrs0D_koI/AAAAAAAAAPo/C_w2i3NduRQ/s320/ObamaFingerPointing.jpg

Im off to bed. epo, if you have a change of heart and want to volunteer for McCain tomorrow in PA, drop me a PM, same for you Mojo.

[JerseySean]

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http://samueljscott.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/mccain.jpg

[tele7]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:w68cq1FQ6uJltM:http://www.jindalisgood.com/images/160_thomas_dewey.jpg


http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Fw-apeTzMyBbeM:http://bp1.blogger.com/_dAd_RHGzUx0/R7mrs0D_koI/AAAAAAAAAPo/C_w2i3NduRQ/s320/ObamaFingerPointing.jpg

Im off to bed. epo, if you have a change of heart and want to volunteer for McCain tomorrow in PA, drop me a PM, same for you Mojo.


http://www.emmanuelebassi.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/nelson_ha_ha.jpg

....all in good fun, Sean.

[A.J.]

Just another new kid in town....

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/08/16-22/obama-barack-biden-joe-vice-president-announcement.jpg

Biden was a new kid in DC 35 years ago.

[A.J.]

Originally Posted by JerseySean
In 1936, a "change" election, polling had Landon beating Roosevelt. Most undecideds will break McCain tomorrow. Obama will win the popular vote, McCain will win the electoral.

This is going to be more like the 1976 election. Nobody is talking about the parallels between the Carter campaign that year and Obama's.

[CruelCircus]

This is going to be more like the 1976 election. Nobody is talking about the parallels between the Carter campaign that year and Obama's.

We all better hope this isn't like Carter's term.

[LordJezo]

Well, my vote is in.

Means at least one person in NJ is voting McCain.

[Freitag]

I helped stop election fraud!

Some IDIOT posted signs for their campaign RIGHT OUTSIDE the polling place.

When I told the people inside, THEY FREAKED OUT. It was hysterical.

[Thebazile78]

I helped stop election fraud!

Some IDIOT posted signs for their campaign RIGHT OUTSIDE the polling place.

When I told the people inside, THEY FREAKED OUT. It was hysterical.

HOLY SHIT!

That's (the sign-posting = electioneering) so illegal on so many levels, it's hilarious.

[Freitag]

HOLY SHIT!

That's (the sign-posting = electioneering) so illegal on so many levels, it's hilarious.

I ended up voting for the guy anyway. I respect ballsy marketing like that.

[NewYorkDragons80]

We all better hope this isn't like Carter's term.

Obama's really trapped the way Carter was trapped. How will he follow through on the concessions we're supposed to make to the world while protecting American businesses abroad? He's made promises to crucial crossover voters who come from a wide variety of voting groups. Can he win reelection after inevitably pissing off a chunk of those voters? After he's already satisfactorily made history by being elected once?

[Dougie Brootal]

I have this neighbor whose teen son is into some kind of noise called The 2008 Presidential Election. I hear him blasting it from his car, and the so called voting cracks me up. Is it a gay thing? I never see him hanging with chicks? Can someone please tell me what's the story with this awful noise?

[celery]

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[JerseySean]

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Obamas security force.

GOP Election Board members have been tossed out of polling stations in at least half a dozen polling stations in Philadelphia because of their party status.

A Pennsylvania judge previously ruled that court-appointed poll watchers could be NOT removed from their boards by an on-site election judge, but that is exactly what is happening, according to sources on the ground.

It is the duty of election board workers to monitor and guard the integrity of the voting process.

Denying access to the minority (in this case Republican) poll watchers and inspectors is a violation of Pennsylvania state law. Those who violate the law can be punished with a misdemeanor and subjected to a fine of $1,000 and sent to prison between one month and two years.

Those on site are describing the situation as "pandemonium" and there may be video coming of the chaos.

Some of the precincts where Republicans have been removed are: the 44th Ward, 12th and 13th divisions; 6th Ward, 12th division; 32nd Ward, Division 28.

“Election board officials guard the legitimacy of the election process and the idea that Republicans are being intimidated and banned for partisan purposes does not allow for an honest and open election process,” said McCain-Palin spokesman Ben Porritt in a statement to Townhall.

The City of Brotherly Love was roiled in controversy during the 2004 election because of rigged voting machines that showed nearly 2,000 votes for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry before the polls had opened. A man also used a gun to intimidate poll workers at Ward 30, division 11 in 2004.

http://townhall.com/blog/g/cf47766b-5a6d-44ab-95e7-ce60631bcadc

[angrymissy]

OH noes!

BLACK PEOPLE!

[JerseySean]

OH noes!

Voter Fraud after they kicked out the poll watchers

fixed

[AKA]

The new definition of "ironic"

Republicans are being intimidated and banned for partisan purposes does not allow for an honest and open election process

http://fixco1.com/bushvotemob.jpg

[celery]

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Obamas security force.



http://townhall.com/blog/g/cf47766b-5a6d-44ab-95e7-ce60631bcadc

Really? A couple nuts with night sticks in Philly. They're not associated with Obama AT ALL. Stop fucking lying.

Take the bet NOW.

[JerseySean]

The new definition of "ironic"



http://fixco1.com/bushvotemob.jpg

Oh yea, that picture was taken when Democrats were counting votes in secret. Just like voting in secret today

[AKA]

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Obamas security force.

Racist.



http://townhall.com/blog/g/cf47766b-5a6d-44ab-95e7-ce60631bcadc

Conservative blogger with agenda.

[JerseySean]

Really? A couple nuts with night sticks in Philly. They're not associated with Obama AT ALL. Stop fucking lying.

Take the bet NOW.

Yea, outside of a polling place. Thats American

[AKA]

Oh yea, that picture was taken when Democrats were counting votes in secret. Just like voting in secret today

Wrong.

Picture of GOP insiders, pretending to be The People of Florida, using fear and intimidation to stop the legal and open recount in Florida.

Enjoy the next 8 years, Sean.

[Dougie Brootal]

Yea, outside of a polling place. Thats American

they are idiots and are being counter productive but you dont really think obama hired them do you?!?

[mikeyboy]

Yea, outside of a polling place. Thats American

Nobody's defending their actions. At all. There are asswipes in both mahjor parties. You can't defend anyone. It's a hell of a stretch to even suggest that Obama is responsible for these fucktards.

[Furtherman]

they are idiots and are being counter productive but you dont really think obama hired them do you?!?

Of course he did! During the recruiting drive that took place in Ayer's living room. Milk, cookies and beating sticks were served.

[JerseySean]

Nobody's defending their actions. At all. There are asswipes in both mahjor parties. You can't defend anyone. It's a hell of a stretch to even suggest that Obama is responsible for these fucktards.

But Mikey, I just got back from Philly. this stuff happens all the time in inner cities. Poll workers operate with impunity in inner cities.

[mikeyboy]

But Mikey, I just got back from Philly. this stuff happens all the time in inner cities. Poll workers operate with impunity in inner cities.

Evemn if that's true, you're not responding to my statement.

[AKA]

Yea, outside of a polling place. Thats American

More irony.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f53/midtowng/mdm3.jpg

[Dougie Brootal]

Of course he did! During the recruiting drive that took place in Ayer's living room. Milk, cookies and beating sticks were served.

i didnt get a beating stick!! wtf!?! im changing my vote!!:furious:

[JerseySean]

Nobody's defending their actions. At all. There are asswipes in both mahjor parties. You can't defend anyone. It's a hell of a stretch to even suggest that Obama is responsible for these fucktards.

I hold the Philadelphia Democrats responsible...and by default Obama

[celery]

they are idiots and are being counter productive but you dont really think obama hired them do you?!?

Remember, he also took Al-Qaeda's recent statement that they want the GOP to be embarrassed as a legit reason to vote for McCain.

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1931531&postcount=2011
http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1931552&postcount=2017
http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1931560&postcount=2022

[AKA]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if those two gentlemen were hired by the GOP and McCain - this is the party and the campaign, afterall, that feigned outrage because a dopey hayseed chick said a big, black man attacked her and carved a "B" on her face.

[Thebazile78]

I hold the Philadelphia Democrats responsible...and by default Obama

Don't you mean "and by extension" ... ?

[angrymissy]

The head of the Black Panthers in Philly hates Obama.

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081029_New_Panthers__war_on_whites.html

* On Barack Obama and voting: "He's a puppet on a string. I don't support no black man running for white politics. I will not vote for who will be the next slavemaster." Besides, he added, Obama is "a Negro who doesn't even support reparations for black people in America."

[JerseySean]

The head of the Black Panthers in Philly hates Obama.

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081029_New_Panthers__war_on_whites.html

* On Barack Obama and voting: "He's a puppet on a string. I don't support no black man running for white politics. I will not vote for who will be the next slavemaster." Besides, he added, Obama is "a Negro who doesn't even support reparations for black people in America."

Great, well those people didnt. As reports indicate.

[Dougie Brootal]

Great, well those people didnt. As reports indicate.

because they were hired by republicans.:tongue:

[AKA]

Great, well those people didnt. As the right wing blog I parrot back endlessly indicates.

Fixed

[JerseySean]

Fixed

I love how when you cant actually come up with an argument, you default to "right wong blog" reader, "Did hannity tell you that"? blah blah blah.

[KingGeno]

Why am I not surprised that Black Panther's are beating the crap out of repubs in my city? They are clashing with the police right now too.

[Furtherman]

I love how when you cant actually come up with an argument, you default to "right wong blog" reader, "Did hannity tell you that"? blah blah blah.

Because that is all you post: Right wing blogs and conservative rant quotes. All requests for a challenge are unanswered.

But post another video of one instance that you feel speaks for all. We love that and I think I are getting smrter.

[angrymissy]

I love how when you cant actually come up with an argument, you default to "right wong blog" reader, "Did hannity tell you that"? blah blah blah.

Well, it is the top link on Drudge

[JerseySean]

Well, it is the top link on Drudge

Yes, well people go to various places for news every day. I normally dont have time to do random searches for random articles. Actually, this brings up a good point, what do you guys scan in the morning for news?

For me its:

politicker.com
politico.com
drudgereport.com
politicalwire.com
nj.com

Are there any other good ones?

[IMSlacker]

Yes, well people go to various places for news every day. I normally dont have time to do random searches for random articles. Actually, this brings up a good point, what do you guys scan in the morning for news?

For me its:

politicker.com
politico.com
drudgereport.com
politicalwire.com
nj.com

Are there any other good ones?

you forgot realclearpolitics.com

[yojimbo7248]

Yes, well people go to various places for news every day. I normally dont have time to do random searches for random articles. Actually, this brings up a good point, what do you guys scan in the morning for news?

For me its:

politicker.com
politico.com
drudgereport.com
politicalwire.com
nj.com

Are there any other good ones?

I'm with you on politicker.com, politico.com, and drudgereport.com. I also a big Cook Report fan: http://www.cookpolitical.com/

[JerseySean]

I'm with you on politicker.com, politico.com, and drudgereport.com. I also a big Cook Report fan: http://www.cookpolitical.com/

Yea thats also there, I will also add cqpolitics.com

[AKA]

I love how when you cant actually come up with an argument, you default to "right wong blog" reader, "Did hannity tell you that"? blah blah blah.

What is there to argue?

(1) You post a video with the racist title "Obama's Security" (which I said as much) and defend that to someone else by a series of connect-the-dot/guilt by association that has been consistant with the Republican's campaign.

(2) THE LINK YOU GAVE WAS TO A RIGHT WING BLOGGER!

That is far from "default" but simply pointing the source of your fucking link - but, of course, you like to assume the rest of us (even a registered Republican) are into making connect-the-dot/guilt by association assumptions.

[albo60s]

John Mccain For President!!!!!!!

[TheMojoPin]

John Mccain For President!!!!!!!

It is the end, my friend. (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/todays-polls-and-final-election.html)

It's Tuesday, November 4th, 2008, Election Day in America. The last polls have straggled in, and show little sign of mercy for John McCain. Barack Obama appears poised for a decisive electoral victory.

Our model projects that Obama will win all states won by John Kerry in 2004, in addition to Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Ohio, Virginia, Nevada, Florida and North Carolina, while narrowly losing Missouri and Indiana. These states total 353 electoral votes. Our official projection, which looks at these outcomes probabilistically -- for instance, assigns North Carolina's 15 electoral votes to Obama 59 percent of the time -- comes up with an incrementally more conservative projection of 348.6 electoral votes.

We also project Obama to win the popular vote by 6.1 points; his lead is slightly larger than that in the polls now, but our model accounts for the fact that candidates with large leads in the polls typically underperform their numbers by a small margin on Election Day.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yes, well people go to various places for news every day. I normally dont have time to do random searches for random articles. Actually, this brings up a good point, what do you guys scan in the morning for news?

For me its:

politicker.com
politico.com
drudgereport.com
politicalwire.com
nj.com

Are there any other good ones?

Listen to NPR it will make you smarter.

[A.J.]

It is the end, my friend. (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/todays-polls-and-final-election.html)

Mojo quoting The Doors? It IS an historic night!

[TheMojoPin]

Mojo quoting The Doors? It IS an historic night!

Hahahah! Well, it is the only song of theirs that I like.

[JerseySean]

If anyone is still up, here is a list of races to still watch for:

Ted Stevens-holding on
Don Young- holding on
Gordon Smith- toss up
Norm Coleman- will win

California Gay Marriage ban-Passing right now.


Ill add to this list as the night goes on. Ill be up all night

[spoon]

If anyone is still up, here is a list of races to still watch for:

Ted Stevens-holding on
Don Young- holding on
Gordon Smith- toss up
Norm Coleman- will win

California Gay Marriage ban-Passing right now.


Ill add to this list as the night goes on. Ill be up all night

The fact that ted stevens is even still in the race is a great reflection on Alaska and the Republican party at this point. How far they have fallen.

[spoon]

Oh yah, your mom's box!