Does Jim Morrison suck or not?

[epo]

That's it let's have it out.

Jim Morrison is the most overrated piece of shit to ever hit the music industry. His music is generally bullshit "poetry" from a drugged out clown. Just because you try to appear to have depth & intellect doesn't mean that you have it.

Am I wrong? Prove it jerkface.

[Gvac]

Streets and shoes,
Avenues,
Leather riders
Selling news,
The monk bought Lunch.

Read it and weep, motherfucker.

The man was a genius!

[epo]

Theres a killer on the road
His brain is squirmin like a toad

Semi-retarded.

[jauble]

just got back from the ancient lake...the water is a bit stale but I like morrison.

[kdubya]

I agree. The Doors always sounded like circus music to me; I never really understood the raving over the Doors and Morison. It's definitely one of those things a lot of folks seem to be into that I just don't like.

[bostonronandfezfan]

good but overated

[Gvac]

Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake is long, seven miles
Ride the snake...hes old, and his skin is cold


Had enough?

[epo]

I ran into two young girls
The blonde one was called freedom
The dark one, enterprise

Seriously, Scott Stapp writes better lyrics than that.

[Kevin]

Seriously, Scott Stapp writes better lyrics than that.

Wow.. I don't think Gvac will ever like you again.

[Gvac]

Follow me across the sea
Where milky babies seem to be
Molded, flowing revelry
With the one that set them free.
Tell all the people that you see,
It's just me,
Follow me down.


I can do this all night.

Admit defeat now.

[epo]

Wow.. I don't think Gvac will ever like you again.

Only by cultivating the virtue of wholeness and returning injury with kindness can there be true harmony.

[epo]

It was the greatest night of my life.
Although i still had not found a wife

He had all the sexuality of a George Lucas film.

[FUNKMAN]

the guy ate too much chicken... never bought his stuff

[sailor]

alabama song is the meaning of fuckin' life:

Well, show me the way
To the next little girl
Oh, don't ask why
Oh, don't ask why

Show me the way
To the next little girl
Oh, don't ask why
Oh, don't ask why

For if we don't find
The next little girl
I tell you we must die
I tell you we must die
I tell you, I tell you
I tell you we must die

[Gvac]

alabama song is the meaning of fuckin' life:



Way to pick a song that Morrison didn't write.

[epo]

alabama song is the meaning of fuckin' life:



Way to pick a song that Morrison didn't write.

Probably the reason the lyrics make any sense.

[jauble]

Seriously, Scott Stapp writes better lyrics than that.

Scott Stapp wrote lyrics?

[sailor]

Way to pick a song that Morrison didn't write.

i took it as a bash on the doors in general, not just jimmy.

edit: bertolt brecht and liz hauptmann? who knew?

[epo]

Scott Stapp wrote lyrics?

Mostly stole from the journals of 14 year old girls. But that still crushes that dope Morrison.

[TheMojoPin]

Wait, is Gvac seriously trying to defend him? I thought he was just playing along...that sounds like someone quoting a middle school creative writing class.

[epo]

Lost in a roman...wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain

That isn't art. That's just stupid.

[Gvac]

She has robes and she has monkeys
Lazy diamond studded flunkies
She has wisdom and knows what to do
She has me and she has you
She has wisdom and knows what to do
She has me and she has you
I see you live on love street
Theres this store where the creatures meet
I wonder what they do in there
Summer sunday and a year
I guess I like it fine, so far

I rest my case.

[TheMojoPin]

That's hideous.

He died too late.

[Death Metal Moe]

He's good, but not nearly as good as people say he was.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I got road-head for the first time while the Doors was playing.

They'll always be golden to me for that.

[keithy_19]

He's good, but not nearly as good as people say he was.

Moe makes sense here. There's some good Door's tunes, but I think the majority of their stuff isn't anything special.

My gf is in love with Jim Morrison and The Doors. I tried to relate by going to a book store and looking through his poetry. I cannot get into it at all, though I'm not big on much poetry.

If you want to talk about a great lyric writer, look no farther than Joe Strummer.

[Dude!]

when this thread is over
turn out the lights

[keithy_19]

For the record, I enjoy the self-titled album. I think that Break On Through and The End are really fucking good songs. But the lyrics of The End aren't something I think are amazing, as some people do.

[underdog]

His music is generally bullshit "poetry" from a drugged out clown.

Haven't you just basically described all (good) rock music?

And isn't all music just poetry?

[Death Metal Moe]

I just think Jim was a big star at the time and because he died while still huge his legacy will live on for a LONG time. I kinda get a douche chill when I hear people call him "The American Poet" because I don't think it's anything special.

But the fact that his legacy lives on and grows isn't his fault and you shouldn't get pissed at Jim Morrison for it. He died young which always seems to help your legacy. Don't forget that the record company wants to make as much money off them as possible so they release and re-release the few studio albums and live shit that exists. Then throw in a few Fanboys at radio stations and in record stores and boom: You have an overrated rockstar.

Again, Jim is good but not as good as people say, and maybe not even as good as Jim thought he was but that's besides the point.

[happytypinggirl]

gasp! chest pains! call....medics.....

[deepinthewoods]

Jim Morrison has that je ne sais Iriquois that causes nerds to argue his greatness 40 years after his death. Being one whose greatness is arguable is a kind of immortality which IS greatness. Nonetheless, Val Kilmer is way better.

[Stankfoot]

Ill tell you about texas radio and the big beat
Soft driven, slow and mad
Like some new language
Reaching your head with the cold, sudden fury of a divine messenger
Let me tell you about heartache and the loss of god
Wandering, wandering in hopeless night
Out here in the perimeter there are no stars
Out here we is stoned
Immaculate.

[Yosammity]

There's nothing like a death to create immortality from something that was good but not that good.

[A.J.]

Her cunt gripped him like a warm, friendly hand.

That makes Bill Shakespeare jealous.

[mendyweiss]

That's it let's have it out.

Jim Morrison is the most overrated piece of shit to ever hit the music industry. His music is generally bullshit "poetry" from a drugged out clown. Just because you try to appear to have depth & intellect doesn't mean that you have it.

Am I wrong? Prove it jerkface.
You're About 37 Years Late With This

[grlNIN]

My boyfriend was going to join the board but after he sees this thread i think he will be too heartbroken.

[JimMorrisonsLeatherPants]

His perspiration dripped with poetic erotica.

[eeroomnhoj]

yes

[ADF]

I've never been a Doors fan... seemed like a bunch of rambling nonsense to yours truly.

On a sidenote, when I was being given the tour at UCLA, the tour-givers stopped at a locker covered with stickers and told us that this was Morrison's locker. The stickers were supposedly imbued with LSD and Jim would lick them before going to class. It was, much like their tale of nude water polo on top of one of the dorms, a complete fabrication, but it made for an entertaining tour.

[Furtherman]

Ill tell you about texas radio and the big beat
Soft driven, slow and mad
Like some new language
Reaching your head with the cold, sudden fury of a divine messenger
Let me tell you about heartache and the loss of god
Wandering, wandering in hopeless night
Out here in the perimeter there are no stars
Out here we is stoned
Immaculate.


Great quote Stankfoot - my favorite Doors line right there. Something very ominous and dark, like the edge of the universe.

As for their music, yea, I enjoy it. But I don't listen to sing along.

[Peas Old]

Morrison was a genius. A self dustrictive asshole, but a fucking genius. Of course he benefited from dying early, but go listen to Soft Parade or watch the end of Apocalypse Now. That shit never gets old. Peas Old!

http://jaytool.blogspot.com/

[TheMojoPin]

Why should Morrison get any credit for Apocalypse Now? Coppola picked the songs and decided where they went.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

He doesn't suck

but he does have the dead factor

he isn't shilling like the Stones or KISS

that brings him up a notch in my book

and my book is cool

[happytypinggirl]

One of my favorite sentences ever written down:

No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.

This entire past week, i've been in doors mode, and have been playing nothing but a playlist of my 25 favorite doors songs.

:wub: I love the Doors and and I love what Morrison brought to the group. (and yes, i also love val kilmer). :wub:

There is no universally loved music. Every musician that has ever sung, played, or written a note, has fans, and people who dont like or dont get it-- even Mozart. So for someone who wasn't a fan in the first place to decide if someone was 'overrated' is a little bizarre to me.

Sure dying young adds to your popularity. You get the whole 'romance' aspect of living hard, dying young, plus its the ulitimate "leave them wanting more" tactic. You cant overstay your welcome the way aging bands do. But that doesn't make the popularity any less legitmate.

[TheMojoPin]

The ultimate poseur.

[epo]

He doesn't suck

but he does have the dead factor

he isn't shilling like the Stones or KISS

that brings him up a notch in my book

and my book is cool

Your book involves Georgetown.

Advantage: Morrison sucks.

[Furtherman]

One of my favorite sentences ever written down:

No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.

Damn right, that is another great line. Sung or not, there is meaning in that.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Your book involves Georgetown.

Advantage: Morrison sucks.

ouch

you continue to talk if you beat Davidson, you shut up if you lose

regardless enjoy the next 3 days of abusing me and my team

[deepinthewoods]

Wow, I can't believe you fuckin' haters are too self obsessed and stupid to realize the Godlike importance of Jim Morrison, whose artistic existence was ESSENTIAL to providing Echo And The Bunnymen with the People Are Strange song to cover, which only heightened the already excellent Lost Boys movie. DUH!

Still, I prefer Jim's brother Van.

P.S. Lost Boys II is coming out soon. Maybe even direct to DVD. Sharpen your stakes...

[Furtherman]

P.S. Lost Boys II is coming out soon. Maybe even direct to DVD. Sharpen your stakes...

See here. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1665389#post1665389)

[TheMojoPin]

Wow, I can't believe you fuckin' haters are too self obsessed and stupid to realize the Godlike importance of Jim Morrison, whose artistic existence was ESSENTIAL to providing Echo And The Bunnymen with the People Are Strange song to cover, which only heightened the already excellent Lost Boys movie. DUH!

Duh, nothing. It actually makes Morrison's crimes even worse, since his shittiness dragged down a truly awesome band by essentially forcing them to do a cover they didn't want to do.

"People are strange/When you're a stranger?" ECH. Show that dead hack how it's done, boys:

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[deepinthewoods]

See. Jim Morrison does not suck. That someone threw money at a Lost Boys II movie is irrefutable PROOF!

Check and mate.

[happytypinggirl]

Show that dead hack how it's done, boys:

we may have to just light a match and set fire to this whole place now. mikeyboy?

[JimMorrisonsLeatherPants]

I created the concept behind "Break on Through" which invariably led to the Miami incident in '69.

Boy were his cheeks red.

[TheMojoPin]

See. Jim Morrison does not suck. That someone threw money at a Lost Boys II movie is irrefutable PROOF!

Check and mate.

Please. This creep is the real driving musical force behind LB.

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[deepinthewoods]

It actually makes Morrison's crimes even worse, since his shittiness dragged down a truly awesome band by essentially forcing them to do a cover they didn't want to do.

Next you'll tell me that being forced to record Take My Breath Away broke up Berlin. LIES. ALL LIES!

[TheMojoPin]

Next you'll tell me that being forced to record Take My Breath Away broke up Berlin. LIES. ALL LIES!

Maybe. But there's no Morrison taint (literally) to that sad tale.

[Freakshow]

He's no Graeme Edge...

[deepinthewoods]

Please. This creep is the real driving musical force behind LB.

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I still believe...

[deepinthewoods]

Maybe. But there's no Morrison taint (literally) to that sad tale.

I don't think Morrison sucks. But I do kind of blame him for the break up of Berlin.

[TheMojoPin]

I created the concept behind "Break on Through" which invariably led to the Miami incident in '69.

Boy were his cheeks red.

Mr. LeatherPants, how does it feel to be the real reason that anyone gave a shit about this assclown?

[TheMojoPin]

I don't think Morrison sucks. But I do kind of blame him for the break up of Berlin.

It's a safe bet to blame anything negative that happens in the world on Jim Morrison.

[JimMorrisonsLeatherPants]

Maybe. But there's no Morrison taint (literally) to that sad tale.

Less venom about my master and more taint, square!

[JimMorrisonsLeatherPants]

Mr. LeatherPants, how does it feel to be the real reason that anyone gave a shit about this assclown?

I'm not amused by your buttocks jokes.

[A.J.]

It's a safe bet to blame anything negative that happens in the world on Jim Morrison.

Not even New Haven's finest could stop him.

http://www.vintagetshirtstore.com/images/JimMorrisonMugShotLarge.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

Not even New Haven's finest could stop him.

http://www.vintagetshirtstore.com/images/JimMorrisonMugShotLarge.jpg

That person clearly needs to be in an assisted living home. That face combined with his lyrics said in a "retarded" voice and everyone would be going, "oh, that poor fellow...he's trying so hard!"

[deepinthewoods]

It's a safe bet to blame anything negative that happens in the world on Jim Morrison.

Like, totally. I wish the US military would fucking pull it together and find out which Afghanistan cave Jim Morrison's ghost is hiding in. He must pay for 911!

[happytypinggirl]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGHH Hhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

:furious::furious::furious:

[JimMorrisonsLeatherPants]

OK.

Who wants to try me on?

[TheMojoPin]

Jim Morrison = the original emo kid.

[TheMojoPin]

Like, totally. I wish the US military would fucking pull it together and find out which Afghanistan cave Jim Morrison's ghost is hiding in. He must pay for 911!

The mighty humid stench from his disgusting leather pants is responsible for global warming.

[Peas Old]

Why should Morrison get any credit for Apocalypse Now? Coppola picked the songs and decided where they went.

I stand corrected, The scene would have been just as mind blowing with Space Trucker. :wallbash:

[DiabloSammich]

Quote:
She has robes and she has monkeys
Lazy diamond studded flunkies
She has wisdom and knows what to do
She has me and she has you
She has wisdom and knows what to do
She has me and she has you
I see you live on love street
Theres this store where the creatures meet
I wonder what they do in there
Summer sunday and a year
I guess I like it fine, so far




I rest my case.


Which side are you on again?

[EddieMoscone]

Just so I can be sure I'm on the same page as the majority of .net:

The Doors....suck
The Beatles...suck (fuckin' boy band)
Led Zeppelin...sucks
Pink Floyd...sucks

I'm happy to have been saved from wasting many more hours of my life listening to this obviously shitty music.

[Jughead]

Yes...Never liked em..But its just me.......

[happytypinggirl]

Just so I can be sure I'm on the same page as the majority of .net:

The Doors....suck
The Beatles...suck (fuckin' boy band)
Led Zeppelin...sucks
Pink Floyd...sucks

I'm happy to have been saved from wasting many more hours of my life listening to this obviously shitty music.

:ohmy: and i was just starting to feel at home here. :glurps:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

fucking bunch of music snobs here

I enjoy the doors

love pink floyd and zepplin

[Donnie Iris]

Mostly stole from the journals of 14 year old girls. But that still crushes that dope Morrison.

I liked that line the first time I heard it.... from David Cross.

[GvacMobile]

Fingers weave quick minarets
Speak in secret alphabets
I light another cigarette
Learn to forget

Want more?

[fezident]

Jim Morrison = hell no.

Ian Astbury = fuck yeah.

[midwestjeff]

I sacrifice my cock on the alter of silence.

[epo]

Want more?

Of that babble?

[keithy_19]

The Doors....suck (mostly, yes)
The Beatles...suck (fuckin' boy band) [I find them to be overrated, but they did do a lot for music and have some really good songs]
Led Zeppelin...sucks(not really at all)
Pink Floyd...sucks(you couldn't be more wrong)



Helped ya out there.

[TheMojoPin]

I stand corrected, The scene would have been just as mind blowing with Space Trucker. :wallbash:

Those scenes would have been amaizing in dead silence, or with a score, or with any number of the almost infinite number of musical choices Coppola had. I like the use of the music, but it's not like the scenes would have sucked without it.

[TheMojoPin]

Just so I can be sure I'm on the same page as the majority of .net:

The Doors....suck
The Beatles...suck (fuckin' boy band)
Led Zeppelin...sucks
Pink Floyd...sucks

I'm happy to have been saved from wasting many more hours of my life listening to this obviously shitty music.

I love the Beatles.

I just don't "get" Pink Floyd (it's hyped like it's so impressive, and I just don't see what the big deal is).

I fucking hate Led Zeppelin. The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion of their day.

As much as I'm not a fan of the latter two, putting the Doors up there with them is an insult to both groups. I can at least respect or appreciate aspects of PF or LZ even if they're just not for me...The Doors were just wanky hacks.

[happytypinggirl]

I love the Beatles.

I just don't "get" Pink Floyd (it's hyped like it's so impressive, and I just don't see what the big deal is).

I fucking hate Led Zeppelin. The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion of their day.

As much as I'm not a fan of the latter two, putting the Doors up there with them is an insult to both groups. I can at least respect or appreciate aspects of PF or LZ even if they're just not for me...The Doors were just wanky hacks.

just out of curiousity...who were the Doors ripping off?

[keithy_19]

just out of curiousity...who were the Doors ripping off?

Columbian drug lords.

[keithy_19]

I just don't "get" Pink Floyd (it's hyped like it's so impressive, and I just don't see what the big deal is).



I was never big on Pink Floyd till a year or two ago. I've fallen in love with Dark Side of the Moon and consider it one of the top five greatest albums of all time. IMO of course.

[TheMojoPin]

just out of curiousity...who were the Doors ripping off?

Nobody, I guess. Some haplessly shitty band nobody ever heard of and wasn't lucky enough to have a pretty boy frontman? "Wanky hacks" just means to me that they were pretentious and awful.

[EddieMoscone]

Originally Posted by EddieMoscone
The Doors....suck (mostly, yes)
The Beatles...suck (fuckin' boy band) [I find them to be overrated, but they did do a lot for music and have some really good songs]
Led Zeppelin...sucks(not really at all)
Pink Floyd...sucks(you couldn't be more wrong)

Helped ya out there.

Just to clarify, I like them all at least a little bit...I just continue to be amazed how some of the most popular acts in history are deemed to be shit. I know it's not cool to like what the masses like, but seriously.

[TheMojoPin]

Just to clarify, I like them all at least a little bit...I just continue to be amazed how some of the most popular acts in history are deemed to be shit. I know it's not cool to like what the masses like, but seriously.

It's not as if it actually MAKES them shit. We're all just random people on the internet just spouting off about what we like and dislike. It should be obvious that these comments, especially the more scathing ones, are just personal opinion and hyperbole. It's not like you can't like them if other people don't...nor do those four groups sum up what "the masses" should or shouldn't like. Someone could not like all four and still love tons of mainstream or "legendary" musical acts.

[Sheeplovr]

lock it up !

[A.J.]

This thread makes Ronnie sad.

[Furtherman]

Woo Hoo Doors Rule!!!

[dino_electropolis]

OMG...the idea of this thread alone is ridiculous.

Morrison was a Music Legend, and beyond that, a Poet.

Granted The Doors, from a musical perspective, weren't an amazing band, but the band as a whole, fronted by this lyrical genius, is one that is unlike any other band before it, and the basis for many bullshit bands after it.

And be advised: Just cause you got ears to listen, and eyes to read, dont make your opinion on music right. You need soul.

Something that the naysayers on this thread seriously lack.

Correct yourselves.

[TjM]

Always loathed The Doors and Floyd. Love the Beatles though

[TheMojoPin]

OMG...the idea of this thread alone is ridiculous.

Morrison was a Music Legend, and beyond that, a Poet.

Granted The Doors, from a musical perspective, weren't an amazing band, but the band as a whole, fronted by this lyrical genius, is one that is unlike any other band before it, and the basis for many bullshit bands after it.

And be advised: Just cause you got ears to listen, and eyes to read, dont make your opinion on music right. You need soul.

Something that the naysayers on this thread seriously lack.

Correct yourselves.

The only way Jim Morrison could be more insulting to "soul" is if he raped soul's mom and then spelled out another on of his shity "poems" on her back with his demon seed.

He's a wannabe beat poet no better than the parade of coffee house hacks and charlatans before and after him...he just had a better backing band and was prettier in tight pants.

Just because something is largely ambiguous, meaningless or abstract doesn't automatically make it poetry or "soulful." Sometimes it is just the meaningless drivel of a self-important manchild who wanted a way to get drunk, high and laid and nothing else.

The difference I see is between tearing down or defending a musical act or instead falling back on attempting to insult the people with the opinions.

[Freakshow]

I like Pink Floyd. And I like Jon Spencer Blues Explosion.

But I don't like the Doors. Get a bass player slackers!

[dino_electropolis]

The only way Jim Morrison could be more insulting to "soul" is if he raped soul's mom and then spelled out another on of his shity "poems" on her back with his demon seed.

He's a wannabe beat poet no better than the parade of coffee house hacks and charlatans before and after him...he just had a better backing band and was prettier in tight pants.

Just because something is largely ambiguous, meaningless or abstract doesn't automatically make it poetry or "soulful." Sometimes it is just the meaningless drivel of a self-important manchild who wanted a way to get drunk, high and laid and nothing else.

The difference I see is between tearing down or defending a musical act or instead falling back on attempting to insult the people with the opinions.

Wow...that was pretty poetic.

But what would i know? i have studied poetry from High School, and minored in Literature in undergrad. I've been a musician since 15 and have listened to tons of music which span all types of genres.......but your name has MOJO in it, so you must be right.

Keep supporting great musical acts like Creed and Blink 182, chump.

[underdog]

Keep supporting great musical acts like Creed and Blink 182, chump.

What? I agree that Mojo's taste of music is a little strange, but his music tastes are "Too Cool For The Room", not completely mainstream.

[dino_electropolis]

What? I agree that Mojo's taste of music is a little strange, but his music tastes are "Too Cool For The Room", not completely mainstream.

well, i didnt really give it much thought.....i just kinda threw out 2 bands which i think are more annoying than creative....wasnt going for the mainstream angle, but if i were, these two would def be top candidates!

[TheMojoPin]

Wow...that was pretty poetic.

But what would i know? i have studied poetry from High School, and minored in Literature in undergrad. I've been a musician since 15 and have listened to tons of music which span all types of genres.......but your name has MOJO in it, so you must be right.

Keep supporting great musical acts like Creed and Blink 182, chump.

Hah! That's pretty good...

But again, i's interesting that you feel the need to fall back on insulting people here for obviously over the top ranting about public figures. I didn't say anything about you...I just can't stand the Doors and I especially can't stand Morrison. Your opinion of them isn't any more valid than mine, and vice versa. Unclench. People can rant about them, people can praise them, but nobody needs to pointlessly insult other posters.

[Fezzie Fun Fun]

In my opinion, Morrison doesn't suck. That being said, I can't listen to the Doors anymore. They were/are soooooo overplayed, I just can't listen to them ever again.

[IMSlacker]

Everyone knows that Dashboard Confessional is Mojo's favorite band.

[TheMojoPin]

Everyone knows that Dashboard Confessional is Mojo's favorite band.

Somehow, down the line, Phishy is going to pay for that. Pay BIG. DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP HURTING.

[dino_electropolis]

The only way Jim Morrison could be more insulting to "soul" is if he raped soul's mom and then spelled out another on of his shity "poems" on her back with his demon seed.

He's a wannabe beat poet no better than the parade of coffee house hacks and charlatans before and after him...he just had a better backing band and was prettier in tight pants.

Just because something is largely ambiguous, meaningless or abstract doesn't automatically make it poetry or "soulful." Sometimes it is just the meaningless drivel of a self-important manchild who wanted a way to get drunk, high and laid and nothing else.

The difference I see is between tearing down or defending a musical act or instead falling back on attempting to insult the people with the opinions.

so we can insult the artist (who is dead) but not the critic (who is clueless)?

I dont mean to offend.....but your opinion, my friend, is wrong. My opinion is, in fact, more valid than yours.

Its not an insult....it just is.


Strange days have found us
And through their strange hours
We linger alone
Bodies confused
Memories misused
As we run from the day
To a strange night of stone

i mean, c'mon!

[TheMojoPin]

so we can insult the artist (who is dead) but not the critic (who is clueless)?

Uh, yes, because the artist is a public figure who is fair game for both praise and criticism. The "critics" in this case are posters on a public message board that you are also on...it's the equivalent of having a discussion with a group of people. You're really gonna start insulting people and pulling out meaningless "credentials" in that context over a stupid rock band?

I dont mean to offend.....

You're not "offending." You're just going out of your way to be insulting over something really trivial.

Why are you getting all worked up like people hating the Doors somehow doesn't allow to like them? Just enjoy your shittacular band and other people will think they're garbage. Everyone wins.

[Freakshow]

Shittacular would be a good name for an album.

[TheMojoPin]

Shittacular would be a good name for an album.

I'm sure Ween has mulled over using it in some capacity many times over the years.

[dino_electropolis]

Uh, yes, because the artist is a public figure who is fair game for both praise and criticism. The "critics" in this case are posters on a public message board that you are also on...it's the equivalent of having a discussion with a group of people. You're really gonna start insulting people and pulling out meaningless "credentials" in that context over a stupid rock band?



You're not "offending." You're just going out of your way to be insulting over something really trivial.

Why are you getting all worked up like people hating the Doors somehow doesn't allow to like them? Just like your shittacular band and other people will think their garbage. Everyone wins.

I gotta give it to ya, shittacular was funny!

Listen, music is a great thing, without a doubt. Perhaps the only true path to universal tranquility. I'll admit, that i may have been a bit cunty about the topic, its just that, as Jim is one of my idols, i get deeply offended when people spout shit (i.e. raping "souls mom") when they seem to do so out of ignorance.
Moreover, my credentials ARE in fact meaningful, and i take pride in the time and effort i put into UNDERSTANDING how literature works. I wouldnt take a mechanic's opinion over a dentist's if i had a toothache, ya dig?

We can agree to disagree.....but you'd still be wrong! lol

[dino_electropolis]

I'm sure Ween has mulled over using it in some capacity many times over the years.

Oh, wait....are you a Ween fan?


If so, I take everything back.:happy:

[TheMojoPin]

Listen, music is a great thing, without a doubt. Perhaps the only true path to universal tranquility. I'll admit, that i may have been a bit cunty about the topic, its just that, as Jim is one of my idols, i get deeply offended when people spout shit (i.e. raping "souls mom") when they seem to do so out of ignorance.

How could anything on either side be "ignorance?" Look, we can dress it up all we want...at the end of the day, it's just pop music. We all have ears, tastes and brains that we use when we listen to this stuff that forms our opinions. It's pretty much impossible to be "ignornant" about music when it comes to personal tastes. It's not like people are spouting off cluelessly about the technical aspects of the music...we're talking about personal tastes. Those can't be "ignorant." That's a ridiculous declaration. And just because he's YOUR idol doesn't make him some kind of sacred cow that's off limits to anyone else to make fun of or criticize. Why get personally offended over a public figure that there's never going to be a general public consensus over? There's always going to be differing opinions over pop culture.

Moreover, my credentials ARE in fact meaningful, and i take pride in the time and effort i put into UNDERSTANDING how literature works. I wouldnt take a mechanic's opinion over a dentist's if i had a toothache, ya dig?

Except you toss them out there as if they automatically make your opinion unimpeachable and the "right" one. What about all the people who have "literature backgrounds" who no doubt can't stand Morrison? Their opinions are negated because other people who majored in lit or english or love to read (all of which are me, FYI) like him? How does that work? It's pointless to try and make this a dick-swinging contest as if either side can somehow "prove" that their right. I can't prove the Doors suck...you can't prove that they don't suck. It's totally subjective. Comparing it to something concrete like dentsitry or auto repair isn't aplicable at all. The arts are the arts and trades are trades. Art is all in the eye, or ear, of the beholder. "Credentials" are meaningless when it comes to personal tastes about things like music.

[keithy_19]

I've noticed Jim Morrison is an icnredibly polarizing issue. People who love him will bite your head off for not liking him or 'understanding' his genious. People who hate him will fight you senseless as well.

Then there are those of us who just don't really give a fuck about him or The Doors. Some good songs, others not so good.

And I want to take a stab at poetry in vain of Morrison.

Hellish cities on ice
Dispersing cold fire in the night
Mosaic of faulty power lines
Tasting sparks to feel alright
Alligators bleeding through their scales
Poets ridiculed with their own tales
Harbor ships setting their sinking sails
Hold my head up cause she won't fail

I wrote that on the spot. What do ya think?

[SatCam]

People keep posting Morrison's shitty poetry. It doesn't mean anything to me. I can't relate, it doesnt reflect anything in my life etc. I guess those who posted them could "get" and relate to the lyrics unlike me. That still doesn't change the fact that the musical aspect of the band sucked.

[dino_electropolis]

How could anything on either side be "ignorance?" Look, we can dress it up all we want...at the end of the day, it's just pop music. We all have ears, tastes and brains that we use when we listen to this stuff that forms our opinions. It's pretty much impossible to be "ignornant" about music when it comes to personal tastes. It's not like people are spouting off cluelessly about the technical aspects of the music...we're talking about personal tastes. Those can't be "ignorant." That's a ridiculous declaration. And just because he's YOUR idol doesn't make him some kind of sacred cow that's off limits to anyone else to make fun of or criticize. Why get personally offended over a public figure that there's never going to be a general public consensus over? There's always going to be differing opinions over pop culture.



Except you toss them out there as if they automatically make your opinion unimpeachable and the "right" one. What about all the people who have "literature backgrounds" who no doubt can't stand Morrison? Their opinions are negated because other people who majored in lit or english or love to read (all of which are me, FYI) like him? How does that work? It's pointless to try and make this a dick-swinging contest as if either side can somehow "prove" that their right. I can't prove the Doors suck...you can't prove that they don't suck. It's totally subjective. Comparing it to something concrete like dentsitry or auto repair isn't aplicable at all. The arts are the arts and trades are trades. Art is all in the eye, or ear, of the beholder. "Credentials" are meaningless when it comes to personal tastes about things like music.

ok, you lil shit...i tried to make nice, but you wont have it.

Well, here it is. That whole "art is in the eye of the beholder" nonsense is applicable to a certain extent. I find it to be a cop out for those who cant express WHY something is good or not.
Some types of art (i.e. literature) is not entirely subjective. For example, Shakespeare, Yeats, Donne, Kafka, Poe - to name a few- are renowned for being great writers. Why? Not because alot of people like them, but bc they understood and profoundly utilized the technical mechanics of language. This is why they are heralded as great writers.

From your reasoning, what is popular (people's personal tastes) somehow translates into what is good. Extend that to today's music and you'll have us believe that Hannah Montana is the greatest artist of all time.

That is where your ignorance lies....there are technical aspects of proper literary form.
if i were to write something like:
Train puddle of is weather
sprout are kitchen to spent.

...its total bullshit. But by your reasoning, my opinon as to its greatness would weigh as much as Hemmingways opinion that it sucked.

I think my point is made. thank you very much. :smoke:

[dino_electropolis]

People keep posting Morrison's shitty poetry. It doesn't mean anything to me. I can't relate, it doesnt reflect anything in my life etc. I guess those who posted them could "get" and relate to the lyrics unlike me. That still doesn't change the fact that the musical aspect of the band sucked.

I dont disagree as to the musicality of the band (as i posted earlier). Some songs do leave a lot to be desired.

But the thread is whether Morrison sucked, not the band itself.

[Freakshow]

Oh please, oh please, oh please make Mojo mod again. Just for a day. Please....

[dino_electropolis]

Oh please, oh please, oh please make Mojo mod again. Just for a day. Please....

oh yeah? you too, huh?

[Crispy123]

ok, you lil shit...i tried to make nice, but you wont have it.

Well, here it is. That whole "art is in the eye of the beholder" nonsense is applicable to a certain extent. I find it to be a cop out for those who cant express WHY something is good or not.
Some types of art (i.e. literature) is not entirely subjective. For example, Shakespeare, Yeats, Donne, Kafka, Poe - to name a few- are renowned for being great writers. Why? Not because alot of people like them, but bc they understood and profoundly utilized the technical mechanics of language. This is why they are heralded as great writers.

From your reasoning, what is popular (people's personal tastes) somehow translates into what is good. Extend that to today's music and you'll have us believe that Hannah Montana is the greatest artist of all time.

That is where your ignorance lies....there are technical aspects of proper literary form.
if i were to write something like:
Train puddle of is weather
sprout are kitchen to spent.

...its total bullshit. But by your reasoning, my opinon as to its greatness would weigh as much as Hemmingways opinion that it sucked.

I think my point is made. thank you very much. :smoke:

This may be the most perfect rebuttal ever!!!

:clap::clap::clap:

[underdog]

From your reasoning, what is popular (people's personal tastes) somehow translates into what is good. Extend that to today's music and you'll have us believe that Hannah Montana is the greatest artist of all time.

What are you talking about? If his reasoning was that what is popular would be good would mean he'd think The Doors were fantastic.

I think you keep arguing a point that he isn't trying to make.

He doesn't like Jim Morrison. You do. Move on.

[TheMojoPin]

Well, here it is. That whole "art is in the eye of the beholder" nonsense is applicable to a certain extent. I find it to be a cop out for those who cant express WHY something is good or not.

Who is having trouble here explaining why they like or can't stand Morrison and the Doors?

Some types of art (i.e. literature) is not entirely subjective. For example, Shakespeare, Yeats, Donne, Kafka, Poe - to name a few- are renowned for being great writers. Why? Not because alot of people like them, but bc they understood and profoundly utilized the technical mechanics of language. This is why they are heralded as great writers.

Wow, really? They're only really great writers because of the technical aspects of their works?

From your reasoning, what is popular (people's personal tastes) somehow translates into what is good. Extend that to today's music and you'll have us believe that Hannah Montana is the greatest artist of all time.

Hah! That's even remotely close to anything I said. I never said anything along the lines of what defines something as "good." I pointed out that something as subjective as pop culture tastes can't be "right or wrong." They don't make something good, they don't make something bad.

That is where your ignorance lies....there are technical aspects of proper literary form.

Just stop. You know absolutely nothing about me. Knock off the personal attacks.

if i were to write something like:
Train puddle of is weather
sprout are kitchen to spent.

...its total bullshit. But by your reasoning, my opinon as to its greatness would weigh as much as Hemmingways opinion that it sucked.

Hemmingway liking something in the printed form wouldn't automatically make it good. Hemmingway hating something in the printed form wouldn't automatically make it bad.

[mikeyboy]

Oh please, oh please, oh please make Mojo mod again. Just for a day. Please....

Where have you been for the last few weeks?

[Freakshow]

Not paying attention to who became mods again, aparently. B'oh.

[keithy_19]

Hemmingway liking something in the printed form wouldn't automatically make it good. Hemmingway hating something in the printed form wouldn't automatically make it bad.

I never liked Hemmingway. Does this make me ignorant?

Mojo is completely right in his statements regarding liking or disliking Jim Morrisons poetry/lyrics.

Just because you have a background in litterature and english doesn't mean that a person who disagrees with you is ignorant. It simply means that they don't like the way the specific piece was written.

I don't like Morrisons lyrics. I LOVE Joe Strummers.

I don't like Ernest Hemmingway. I LOVE Edgar Allan Poe.

[Jughead]

Now here is something that sucks.....Buzzard8.com touch the Juggy link.......:innocent:

[TheMojoPin]

I never liked Hemmingway. Does this make me ignorant?

Mojo is completely right in his statements regarding liking or disliking Jim Morrisons poetry/lyrics.

Just because you have a background in litterature and english doesn't mean that a person who disagrees with you is ignorant. It simply means that they don't like the way the specific piece was written.

I don't like Morrisons lyrics. I LOVE Joe Strummers.

I don't like Ernest Hemmingway. I LOVE Edgar Allan Poe.

STOP BEING IGNORANT, KEITHY.

[keithy_19]

STOP BEING IGNORANT, KEITHY.

MOJO! I'LL STOP BEING IGNORANT WHEN YOU STOP BEING A POMPOUS DIMWITTED FOOL

[TheMojoPin]

WHY, YOUSE...!!!

*Shakes fist*

[Gvac]

Jim is the Lizard King.

He can do anything.

ALL HAIL MR. MOJO RISIN!!

[TheMojoPin]

Jim is the Lizard King.

He can do anything.

Except not die in a tub filled with shit.

[Gvac]

You really think he's dead? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Jim's alive, man!

[TheMojoPin]

You really think he's dead? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Jim's alive, man!

If he is, then I actually salute him for sparing us his shitiness over the last few decades. Kudos, Jim...I misjudged you. You're a good man.

If not, way to get buried by the French, dude.

[keithy_19]

WHY, YOUSE...!!!

*Shakes fist*

HOW ABOUT THIS! HOW 'BOUT WE COMPROMISE!

I'll paint your fence for a year and you don't push your frivilous ideas about art on me. Deal?

[Freakshow]

I know he's alive, he's hanging out with that excesive butt crack exposed Indian Dude in the desert.

[dino_electropolis]

Who is having trouble here explaining why they like or can't stand Morrison and the Doors?



Wow, really? They're only good writers because of the technical aspects of their works?



Hah! That's even remotely close to anything I said. I never said anything along the lines of what defines something as "good." I pointed out that something as subjective as pop culture tastes can't be "right or wrong." They don't make something good, they don't make something bad.

Just stop. You know absolutely nothing about me. Knock off the personal attacks.



Hemmingway liking something in the printed form wouldn't automatically make it good. Hemmingway hating something in the printed form wouldn't automatically make it bad.

Your back? I must say, your resiliency far surpasses your knowledge. Its endearing in some sad kinda way.
What can i say, but "Wow, some people"....your playin a game of semantics, and frankly, its regressing to childish banter. The thread is whether something (or someone) sucks or not. Something that sucks, generally (actually by ALL accounts) is something that is not good. You see, when you take the time to think things out, things start to make sense. Try it. Its fun.

I say this b.c. statements like Morrison sucks implicitly means that Morrison is not good. Your clearly not a literature buff, so maybe a math problem will help:
Sucks= Not Good
Morrison=Sucks
Morrison= Not Good.

You see there, its not so hard. Its called the transitive property. It actually popped up on a post earlier today. Quite popular for explaining things to stubborn people.

So before we expend anymore energy on this, do us both a favor and take a deep breath, think long and hard about what you want to say, then, think long and hard about whether or not what your gonna type will actually convey the idea your are trying to express, and, finally, decide to keep yer trap shut and take this one on the chin.

[Furtherman]

so much depends
upon

a red wheel
barrow

glazed with rain
water

beside the white
chickens.

[keithy_19]

Your clearly not a literature buff, so maybe a math problem will help:
Sucks= Not Good
Morrison=Sucks
Morrison= Not Good.



...Morrison Sucks Not Good?

[mikeyboy]

Your back? I must say, your resiliency far surpasses your knowledge. Its endearing in some sad kinda way.
What can i say, but "Wow, some people"....your playin a game of semantics, and frankly, its regressing to childish banter. The thread is whether something (or someone) sucks or not. Something that sucks, generally (actually by ALL accounts) is something that is not good. You see, when you take the time to think things out, things start to make sense. Try it. Its fun.

I say this b.c. statements like Morrison sucks implicitly means that Morrison is not good. Your clearly not a literature buff, so maybe a math problem will help:
Sucks= Not Good
Morrison=Sucks
Morrison= Not Good.

You see there, its not so hard. Its called the transitive property. It actually popped up on a post earlier today. Quite popular for explaining things to stubborn people.

So before we expend anymore energy on this, do us both a favor and take a deep breath, think long and hard about what you want to say, then, think long and hard about whether or not what your gonna type will actually convey the idea your are trying to express, and, finally, decide to keep yer trap shut and take this one on the chin.

I've been watching this from afar, and you seem to be the one splitting hairs on semantics. In the simplest and basest terms -- good is a subjective term. People have divided opinions as to what is and isn't good. Your so-called expertise does not make your own opinion any more valid.

You also don't seem to be offering any reasons for your opinions other than stating that your opinion is more valid. Why exactly is Morrison good, if you're up to the task?

It's also amazing to me that you think you're crushing in this debate.

[keithy_19]

Dino, would you still think Morrisons stuff is nearly as good if he wasn't your idol? I consider your argument to be incredibly biased based on your love for the man.

I know you can't answer that either. I was jsut making a point.

[Freakshow]

Your back?

What about his back?

[mikeyboy]

Dino, would you still think Morrisons stuff is nearly as good if he wasn't your idol? I consider your argument to be incredibly biased based on your love for the man.

That's stupid, Keithy. He isn't his idol in a vacuum. He is his idol because he thinks Morrison's stuff is great. Back to debate class for you.

[TheMojoPin]

Your back? I must say, your resiliency far surpasses your knowledge. Its endearing in some sad kinda way.
What can i say, but "Wow, some people"....your playin a game of semantics, and frankly, its regressing to childish banter.

Wow, get over yourself. It's great that you think Morrison is one of your idols. That in no way mans that everyone else has to think the same way. It's also ironic that you're accusing other people of being childish when you're the one who can only reply to people's ridiculous comments about a famous singer with personal insults towards other posters here over and over again.

The thread is whether something (or someone) sucks or not. Something that sucks, generally (actually by ALL accounts) is something that is not good. You see, when you take the time to think things out, things start to make sense. Try it. Its fun.

Actually, everyone was having fun making abusrd declarations about Jim Morrion and the Doors. You're the one that felt the need to take it personally and try and turn something done to bust some balls, like 99% of everything else here, into something faux-academic and personal.

I say this b.c. statements like Morrison sucks implicitly means that Morrison is not good. Your clearly not a literature buff, so maybe a math problem will help:
Sucks= Not Good
Morrison=Sucks
Morrison= Not Good.

Liking or disliking Jim Morrison has absolutely zero weight as to whether or not someone is actually a "literature buff." Jim Morrion is not some kind of gauge that universally determines someone's intelligence or appreciation of literature. Someone starting a thread about something sucking on an internet message board isn't the kind of thing people typically take to be a declarative statement as to whether or not something ACTUALLY and DEFINITIVELY sucks. Me saying he sucks doesn't mean he ACTUALLY sucks. You saying he's great doesn't mean he's ACTUALLY great.

You see there, its not so hard. Its called the transitive property. It actually popped up on a post earlier today. Quite popular for explaining things to stubborn people.

How am I being stubborn? I'm one the one saying over and over again that everyone's opinions here are ultimately valid on something as subjective as popular music. You're the one trying to narrowly define what is good or bad, as if there are universal standards that must be adhered to, or what "literature" actually is based on precise determinations and how only some people are allowed to comment or have opinions on it. But yeah, I'M clearly the one being stubborn and narrowminded.

So before we expend anymore energy on this, do us both a favor and take a deep breath, think long and hard about what you want to say, then, think long and hard about whether or not what your gonna type will actually convey the idea your are trying to express, and, finally, decide to keep yer trap shut and take this one on the chin.

Just stop trying so hard. We get it...you love Jim Morrison's work. Not everyone else feels the same way. That's life.

[dino_electropolis]

I never liked Hemmingway. Does this make me ignorant?

Mojo is completely right in his statements regarding liking or disliking Jim Morrisons poetry/lyrics.

Just because you have a background in litterature and english doesn't mean that a person who disagrees with you is ignorant. It simply means that they don't like the way the specific piece was written.

I don't like Morrisons lyrics. I LOVE Joe Strummers.

I don't like Ernest Hemmingway. I LOVE Edgar Allan Poe.

it doesnt make you ignorant. Not liking someone is different than saying they suck.
If you were to say hemmingway sucked (or, in the alternative, was a shitty writer) then yes, you would then be ignorant.

There are certain things in life people should feel comfortable discussing. They generally feel comfortable discussing things they are knowledgable about- not just things they have an opinion about. For instance, i would not feel comfortable giving a speech at a Douchebag Convention, whereas someone like, well, lets just say Mojopin would feel right at home.

I say this to illustrate the point that Opinions are indeed very much like assholes, in that everyone has one. But pleeeeeeeeaaasssee spare me this 14th amendment "equality" bullshit that everyone's opinion is ok, that everyone should be given the same amount of deference, and its safe to talk out of one's ass.

Its not.

You dont like something fine.
But making blanket statements like "______sucks" is just ignorant.

[keithy_19]

That's stupid, Keithy. He isn't his idol in a vacuum. He is his idol because he thinks Morrison's stuff is great. Back to debate class for you.

Ya know, as I was typing it I realized it was an awful point. I went back toe dit it and to completely chang eit, but I got lazy. I do need more time in debate class. It's jsut that all we do there is listen to The Doors and drop acid. Nothing gets done.

[epo]

You really think he's dead? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Jim's alive, man!

Admit you are wrong! Morrison stinks and you're glad he's dead! Just surrender!

http://www.recordcorner.nl/images/Cheap%20Trick-surrender.jpg

[keithy_19]

You dont like something fine.
But making blanket statements like "______sucks" is just ignorant.

It sucks to that person though.

[dino_electropolis]

Wow, get over yourself. It's great that you think Morrison is one of your idols. That in no way mans that everyone else has to think the same way. It's also ironic that you're accusing other people of being childish when you're the one who can only reply to people's ridiculous comments about a famous singer with personal insults towards other posters here over and over again.



Actually, everyone was having fun making abusrd declarations about Jim Morrion and the Doors. You're the one that felt the need to take it personally and try and turn something done to bust some balls, like 99% of everything else here, into something faux-academic and personal.



Liking or disliking Jim Morrison has absolutely zero weight as to whether or not someone is actually a "literature buff." Jim Morrion is not some kind of gauge that universally determines someone's intelligence or appreciation of literature. Someone starting a thread about something sucking on an internet message board isn't the kind of thing people typically take to be a declarative statement as to whether or not something ACTUALLY and DEFINITIVELY sucks. Me saying he sucks doesn't mean he ACTUALLY sucks. You saying he's great doesn't mean he's ACTUALLY great.



How am I being stubborn? I'm one the one saying over and over again that everyone's opinions here are ultimately valid on something as subjective as popular music. You're the one trying to narrowly define what is good or bad, as if there are universal standards that must be adhered to, or what "literature" actually is based on precise determinations and how only some people are allowed to comment or have opinions on it. But yeah, I'M clearly the one being stubborn and narrowminded.



Just stop trying so hard. We get it...you love Jim Morrison's work. Not everyone else feels the same way. That's life.

Ok ok ok....i must admit....i may have gotten a bit out of hand here today......

I apologize for any personal attacks, which were not merited. I should have just kept things light and humorous. I think the line about raping soul's mother (which in hindsight is funny) got me started.
So i will again try to bury this with a white flag.:surrender:

Nothing personal, fellas....but fkn A, jim's the man.

[TheMojoPin]

For instance, i would not feel comfortable giving a speech at a Douchebag Convention, whereas someone like, well, lets just say Mojopin would feel right at home.

Can you attempt to keep up this discussion without the personal attacks? I've asked you several times to knock it off ad haven't responded in kind. I'm now warning you to knock it off.

I say this to illustrate the point that Opinions are indeed very much like assholes, in that everyone has one. But pleeeeeeeeaaasssee spare me this 14th amendment "equality" bullshit that everyone's opinion is ok, that everyone should be given the same amount of deference, and its safe to talk out of one's ass.

It's not an issue of "equality." We're talking about personal tastes in music. How can you possibly expect for such a thing to all fall a certain way?

You dont like something fine.
But making blanket statements like "______sucks" is just ignorant.

By that logic, a blanket statement in favor of Morrion would be just as "ignorant." This all boils down to you not liking someone else's opinion. "Jim Morrison sucks" is an opinion. "I don't like Jim Morrison" and "Jim Morrison sucks" are ultimately the same thing. They're both subjective opinions. Just because someone says the latter as a declarative staement doesn't actually give it any more meaning besides being someon's an opinion...it's just someone using hyperbole for a dramatic and/or humorous effect.

[TheMojoPin]

Ok ok ok....i must admit....i may have gotten a bit out of hand here today......

I apologize for any personal attacks, which were not merited. I should have just kept things light and humorous. I think the line about raping soul's mother (which in hindsight is funny) got me started.
So i will again try to bury this with a white flag.:surrender:

Nothing personal, fellas....but fkn A, jim's the man.

Cool, I'm willing to drop it myself, too. Everyone's got their thang!

[keithy_19]

Cool, I'm willing to drop it myself, too. Everyone's got their thang!

Except those of us with a micro penis.

[Freakshow]

I believe this is an actual review of a Doors Album--
The musical growth of Jim Morrison cannot even be charted. He is treading water in a sea of retarded sexuality and bad poetry.

[dino_electropolis]

That's stupid, Keithy. He isn't his idol in a vacuum. He is his idol because he thinks Morrison's stuff is great. Back to debate class for you.

We all have our biases, and of course mine colors my statements.

Were all of his writings brilliant? Far from it....but some of them were....and by brilliant, i really mean brilliant (not in the overly used british sense of the word)

But Morrison was more than a poet- i think (and it may very well be substantiated) that he was the precursor for how we now define rock stars. Smart, funny and mischevious, he blended so much with an air of mystery that, b/c of current pop culture (vis a vis MTV Cribs) will never be seen again.

His name shouldnt be "besmirched" (if i may be so bold) by people who dont get it. the man is dead, but his name lives on. Much more then any of us can say about any of us on this message board.

[TheMojoPin]

His name shouldnt be "besmirched" (if i may be so bold) by people who dont get it.

All of this is just a respone in general...thinking outloud, I guess...

Couldn't it be just as easily argued when you're talking about something as vague and varying as "getting it," maybe the people who are pro-Morrison are the ones who don't "get it?" I'm not saying that that is the case...it's just very easily flipped that way and arguably has the same amount of meaning, which is, ultimately, nothing.

the man is dead, but his name lives on. Much more then any of us can say about any of us on this message board.

Well, that doesn't really prove anything. There's plenty of awful people who are going to be infinitely more famous or remembered than anyone here.

I'm really not taking shots or anything with this response...it's just that those kind of points don't really prove anything for or aganst Morrison.

[RhinoinMN]

We all have our biases, and of course mine colors my statements.

Were all of his writings brilliant? Far from it....but some of them were....and by brilliant, i really mean brilliant (not in the overly used british sense of the word)

But Morrison was more than a poet- i think (and it may very well be substantiated) that he was the precursor for how we now define rock stars. Smart, funny and mischevious, he blended so much with an air of mystery that, b/c of current pop culture (vis a vis MTV Cribs) will never be seen again.

His name shouldnt be "besmirched" (if i may be so bold) by people who dont get it. the man is dead, but his name lives on. Much more then any of us can say about any of us on this message board.

Gvac died Friday and arose on Sunday. That's pretty impressive.

[Stankfoot]

Jim Morrison = hell no.

Ian Astbury = fuck yeah.

Oh, hell no. Is this a joke? :wallbash:

[Gvac]

To answer this honestly for a change, Jim Morrison was a kid who grew up smoking pot, drinking, and dropping acid in LA in the 1960's. He was dead at 27.

Was he an incredible lyricist and songwriter? No. Could he have been? We'll never know. He was, however, one of the most unique and charismatic front men in the history of rock 'n' roll and has been emulated dozens of times by countless bands.

Badly, I might add.

[TheMojoPin]

He was, however, one of the most unique and charismatic front men in the history of rock 'n' roll and has been emulated dozens of times by countless bands.

Badly, I might add.

Coincidence?

[Stankfoot]

Was he an incredible lyricist and songwriter? No. Could he have been? We'll never know. He was, however, one of the most unique and charismatic front men in the history of rock 'n' roll and has been emulated dozens of times by countless bands.
Badly, I might add.

I think people need to remember the Doors first album is 40 fucking years old! It was recorded in 1966 and released in 1967.

I think some of his lyrics weren't exceptional but a lot were damn good.

And as a comparison I copied these lyrics from a thread on the Raconteurs new album:

Together

"You and me forever
We belong together
And we'll always endeavor
Throughout any type of weather ....."


I kid you not ......

[TheMojoPin]

I think people need to remember the Doors first album is 40 fucking years old! It was recorded in 1966 and released in 1967.

I think some of his lyrics weren't exceptional but a lot were damn good.

And as a comparison I copied these lyrics from a thread on the Raconteurs new album:

Together

"You and me forever
We belong together
And we'll always endeavor
Throughout any type of weather ....."


I kid you not ......

Jack White = the new Jim Morrison?

Could be...

[Furtherman]

Jack White = the new Jim Morrison?

Could be...

Jack White makes up for any lame-ass lyrics with his kick-ass guitar work. And I'm not even a huge fan.

[TheMojoPin]

Jack White makes up for any lame-ass lyrics with his kick-ass guitar work. And I'm not even a huge fan.

I'll readily admit I like the White Stripes, but I think they're hugely overrated, similar to the Doors...the difference I see between the two is the Doors had a deluded sense of self-importance to their music on top of all the hype people were throwing at them, and that's what drives me nuts most about them.

[Furtherman]

I never saw Robby Krieger play live, but I did see Jack White. The sounds coming out of his guitar was nothing short of amazing and would have blown their jello acid feet off the stage if such a time twist could ever occur.

[sailor]

Why are you getting all worked up like people hating the Doors somehow doesn't allow to like them? Just enjoy your shittacular band and other people will think they're garbage. Everyone wins.

i'd say it's probably the condescension you're flinging aboot.

[keithy_19]

There was an interview on Coast To Coast about amonth ago where The Doors were interviewed. They talked a lot about Morrison and said that he just wrote whatever when he was high. They didn't put much into what he would say cause he didn't even know what he was saying.

They also came off very smug, and incredibly burnt. It was interesting though.

[TheMojoPin]

i'd say it's probably the condescension you're flinging aboot.

Yeah, that might fly if I wasn't responding to posts that were flinging out personal insults just because someone else doesn't like a band. I'm not supposed to ask why someone is doing that over a silly message board thread? Boy, yeah, I was clearly in the wrong there and obviously the one going over the line in trying to have anything even close to civil disucssion while someone is repeatedly calling me a moron for not liking the Doors. Good thing you righted my wrong.

That enough condescension for you?

[keithy_19]

Yeah, that might fly if I wasn't responding to posts that were flinging out personal insults just because someone else doesn't like a band. I'm not supposed to ask why someone is doing that over a silly message board thread? Boy, yeah, I was clearly in the wrong there and obviously the one going over the line in trying to have anything even close to civil disucssion while someone is repeatedly calling me a moron for not liking the Doors. Good thing you righted my wrong.

That enough condescension for you?

No.

[happytypinggirl]

I've noticed Jim Morrison is an icnredibly polarizing issue. People who love him will bite your head off for not liking him or 'understanding' his genious. People who hate him will fight you senseless as well.

Then there are those of us who just don't really give a fuck about him or The Doors. Some good songs, others not so good.

And I want to take a stab at poetry in vain of Morrison.



I wrote that on the spot. What do ya think?

Morrison, at this moment, is probably my favorite musician (well the Doors really), but I have no problem whatsoever with someone who doesn't like them. But to say they're overrated or shit definitely will get a major defensive reaction. Its just kind of ignorant to say that someone whose music you may not 'get' or be into-- is therefore shit. And to explain away the millions of devout fans who disagree with you by saying the band is overrated is a little weak.

I mean, i've never felt a tremendous connection to the Beatles music, but would never say they suck. Millions can't be all wrong, right? :thumbup:

[keithy_19]

I thought he was talking about condensation. Which would make us much sense as a Doors lyrics. HEYO!

[TheMojoPin]

What if you don't like a band because you think they sound awful, and are therefore a shitty band to you?

[keithy_19]

Morrison, at this moment, is probably my favorite musician (well the Doors really), but I have no problem whatsoever with someone who doesn't like them. But to say they're overrated or shit definitely will get a major defensive reaction. Its just kind of ignorant to say that someone whose music you may not 'get' or be into-- is therefore shit. And to explain away the millions of devout fans who disagree with you by saying the band is overrated is a little weak.



I just don't see what was so good about them. Add in the fact they weren't good guys when it came to dealing with fans makes me dislike them more.

[happytypinggirl]

ok, you lil shit...i tried to make nice, but you wont have it.

Well, here it is. That whole "art is in the eye of the beholder" nonsense is applicable to a certain extent. I find it to be a cop out for those who cant express WHY something is good or not.
Some types of art (i.e. literature) is not entirely subjective. For example, Shakespeare, Yeats, Donne, Kafka, Poe - to name a few- are renowned for being great writers. Why? Not because alot of people like them, but bc they understood and profoundly utilized the technical mechanics of language. This is why they are heralded as great writers.

From your reasoning, what is popular (people's personal tastes) somehow translates into what is good. Extend that to today's music and you'll have us believe that Hannah Montana is the greatest artist of all time.

That is where your ignorance lies....there are technical aspects of proper literary form.
if i were to write something like:
Train puddle of is weather
sprout are kitchen to spent.

...its total bullshit. But by your reasoning, my opinon as to its greatness would weigh as much as Hemmingways opinion that it sucked.

I think my point is made. thank you very much. :smoke:

but are there really scientifically defineable terms that make a writer or artist great? or does all that still come back to-- the prevailing experts really liked him/her?

how many writers that we now perceive to be brilliant were unappreciated in their own time? its no different with musicians or painters.

i could care less what the experts say.....

if you have some shitty garage sale painting universally believed to be shit, but you love it, and it brings you joy-- then that painting has merit. and who gives a shit if the pianist is not regarded to have any brilliance, or the guitarist isn't a technical genius or if the singer doesn't have .....well you get my point...if your music reaches people, and touches them in some way....you've created beautiful music.

Long story short.......(too late i know) you can't ever be overrated, because the measure of how good of an artist you are...is how many people love the art you've created.

wow, when did i start sounding like such a hippie? :happy:

[keithy_19]

...if your music reaches people, and touches them in some way....you've created beautiful music.



To some people.

[happytypinggirl]

What if you don't like a band because you think they sound awful, and are therefore a shitty band to you?

but does anyone really talk like that? when someone says....x is shitty, do you really mean "shitty to you"?

we have other phrases we use when we mean that we dont like someone. i may be wrong here...and we are splitting hairs, but imo, when we say something is shitty, we mean, that thing isnt worthy of people liking it.

no? i dunno. maybe im rambling.

[happytypinggirl]

I just don't see what was so good about them. Add in the fact they weren't good guys when it came to dealing with fans makes me dislike them more.

thats cool. like i said...i dont connect with the beatles. but i'm not going to say they suck.

[peacefrog081]

When the music is your special friend, dance on fire, it intends, music is your only friend.......... unnnnntilll THE END, until theeee.... ENNDDDD

I love these lines!! To me that means that friend's come and go over life, but no matter what music will always be there for you.

[TheMojoPin]

thats cool. like i said...i dont connect with the beatles. but i'm not going to say they suck.

I've got plenty of bands like that, where I don't like them, but I respect or appreciate things about them. I don't feel that way with the Doors. I do honestly and completely think they were a shitty band fronted by a shitty singer who was a shitty poet. Now, that doesn't actually make them any of those things, but that is how I approach them, hence why I have no qualms saying something like "they suck." To me, they are a terrible band, and I think they are because they sound awful to me because they suck at making music.

It's just semantics in the end. None of us has the power to make such opinions actually true or definitive for everyone, so I don't see why it isn't just assumed that when someone says a band "sucks," that's just that person thinking they suck.

[keithy_19]

thats cool. like i said...i dont connect with the beatles. but i'm not going to say they suck.

I'm not a beatles fan either. I like select songs, but on a whole they don't do much for me. I respect them however.

I don't respect for The Doors or Morrison. All they are to me was something for drug users in the 60's to pontificate over. This holds true today.

People also like to cite them as being brilliant because a lot of people don't get it. At least that's what a lot of the people who LOVE Morrison and the Doors come across as.

[happytypinggirl]

I've got plenty of bands like that, where I don't like them, but I respect or appreciate things about them. I don't feel that way with the Doors. I do honestly and completely think they were a shitty band fronted by a shitty singer who was a shitty poet. Now, that doesn't actually make them any of those things, but that is how I approach them, hence why I have no qualms saying something like "they suck." To me, they are a terrible band, and I think they are because they sound awful to me because they suck at making music.

It's just semantics in the end. None of us has the power to make such opinions actually true or definitive for everyone, so I don't see why it isn't just assumed that when someone says a band "sucks," that's just that person thinking they suck.

ok but given what you just said....wouldn't it follow that you must think the millions and millions who adore and adored them are just morons who wouldn't know good music if it fell on them? or delusional? or uneducated?

[happytypinggirl]

I'm not a beatles fan either. I like select songs, but on a whole they don't do much for me. I respect them however.

I don't respect for The Doors or Morrison. All they are to me was something for drug users in the 60's to pontificate over. This holds true today.

People also like to cite them as being brilliant because a lot of people don't get it. At least that's what a lot of the people who LOVE Morrison and the Doors come across as.

so how do you explain people like me who are neither drug users or from the 60s?

i actually dont cite them as brilliant. i dont know if they are or aren't. all i can say is a frigging LOVE listening to them. when i turn on The Doors, and turn the volume way up, i am incredibly happy.

[keithy_19]

The Clash-Death Or Glory (lyrics by Joe Strummer)

Every cheap hood strikes a bargain with the world
And ends up making payments on a sofa or a girl
Love 'n' hate tattooed across the knuckles of his hands
The hands that slap his kids around 'cause they don't understand

How death or glory becomes just another story
How death or glory becomes just another story
'N' every gimmick hungry yob digging gold from rock 'n' roll
Grabs the mike to tell us he'll die before he's sold
But i believe in this-and it's been tested by research
That he who fucks nun will later join the church

From every dingy basement on every dingy street
I hear every dragging handclap over every dragging beat
That's just the beat of time-the beat that must go on
If you been trying for years-then we already heard your song

Better than the best Morrison ever wrote.

[TheMojoPin]

ok but given what you just said....wouldn't it follow that you must think the millions and millions who adore and adored them are just morons who wouldn't know good music if it fell on them? or delusional? or uneducated?

Why?

[Marc with a c]

ok but given what you just said....wouldn't it follow that you must think the millions and millions who adore and adored them are just morons who wouldn't know good music if it fell on them? or delusional? or uneducated?

i think that pretty much sums up mojo's feeling on everything, and everyone.

[happytypinggirl]

The Clash-Death Or Glory (lyrics by Joe Strummer)



Better than the best Morrison ever wrote.

im not going to argue which lyrics were better. the very idea of that is absurd to me. i dont even think you CAN determine that. and even if one were better in some measurable fashion, that wouldn't make the other less worthy.

whatever. i love jim. i love his lyrics. i love his poetry. i loved his performances and i loved whatever it is i hear in his voice when he sings. i love his style. i love the sound of his voice. i love the band. i love their sound. i love the music they created. i love the way they gelled and were able to follow him and his travels through a song. i love his attitude. i love his story. i love the 'feel' of the music, and i love the feeling i get when i listen.

and you dont. so...can we still be friends? :drunk:

[happytypinggirl]

Why?

you said they suck at making music..sound awful...etc.

to me, it logically follows from that...that you think people who like them are fools. or at least have bad musical taste.

[joeyballsack]

Ok, so going by board response in two different threads:

Daniel Johnson - genius
Jim Morrison - overated hack

Madness I tell you..madness.

I think you have to take into context the time period that the Doors became poplular also. They came along at a time when the country was very unsettled and the majority of musical acts were still relatively clean cut. Then along comes this drugged up/drunk frontman who was capable of blurting out anything at anytime including live television. Voila..a legend is born.

I would be interested in finding out how many of you that consider Morrison a hack would give Kurt Cobain a genius label. They are both legends partly because they left before we found out thier true potential.

[drjoek]

Ronnie B said to lock this thread or delete it maybe he was right

[keithy_19]

im not going to argue which lyrics were better. the very idea of that is absurd to me. i dont even think you CAN determine that. and even if one were better in some measurable fashion, that wouldn't make the other less worthy.

and you dont. so...can we still be friends? :drunk:

It was my opinion. Also in my opinion, I like lyrics that can be abstract but also have a very direct meaning. IE, loads of Strummer's lyrics were political. Morrison's, to me, were abstract for the sake of being abstract and didn't have any real meaning. For a lot of them anyway.

And of course we can't be friends.

Kidding of course. I just get to chose the music when we drive together:innocent:

[TheMojoPin]

you said they suck at making music..sound awful...etc.

to me, it logically follows from that...that you think people who like them are fools. or at least have bad musical taste.

No, it means to me the Doors suck at life and sound awful.

[keithy_19]

Then along comes this drugged up/drunk frontman who was capable of blurting out anything at anytime including live television. Voila..a legend is born.



He didn't mean to mess up that line in the song. He was simply high and forgot that they told him not to sing it. That's coming from his bandmates.

[happytypinggirl]

It was my opinion. Also in my opinion, I like lyrics that can be abstract but also have a very direct meaning. IE, loads of Strummer's lyrics were political. Morrison's, to me, were abstract for the sake of being abstract and didn't have any real meaning. For a lot of them anyway.

And of course we can't be friends.

Kidding of course. I just get to chose the music when we drive together:innocent:

Hehehe. one of the many reasons i drive alone whenever possible

[keithy_19]

Hehehe. one of the many reasons i drive alone whenever possible

I usually lsiten to Gregorian Chants on my way to school. I'm trying to bring it back.

I think you'd enjoy what I like to lsiten to while driving. Lately it's been a lot of dub from the likes of King Tubby and Mikey Dread.

[happytypinggirl]

I usually lsiten to Gregorian Chants on my way to school. I'm trying to bring it back.

I think you'd enjoy what I like to lsiten to while driving. Lately it's been a lot of dub from the likes of King Tubby and Mikey Dread.

who?

[keithy_19]

who?

Gregorian Chants were popular back in the time of Pope Gregory. I don't really listen to them. It's basically a series of moans and speech.

King Tubby was from Jamaica and as big on reggae and more so dub. He was shot and killed after leaving his home because he thought someone was breaking in.

Mikey Dread was also Jamaican and was big on playing reggae on the radio and giving life to the underground reggae scene. He was influential in the life of Joe Strummer and coproduced some songs on The Clash album Sandanista!. He died last saturday at the age of 54.

It's very relaxing and great music to listen to while driving through New Brunswick or Plainfield or any 'ghetto'.

[Stankfoot]

King Tubby was from Jamaica and as big on reggae and more so dub. He was shot and killed after leaving his home because he thought someone was breaking in.

Mikey Dread was also Jamaican and was big on playing reggae on the radio and giving life to the underground reggae scene. He was influential in the life of Joe Strummer and coproduced some songs on The Clash album Sandanista!. He died last saturday at the age of 54.

It's very relaxing and great music to listen to while driving through New Brunswick or Plainfield or any 'ghetto'.

not many dub fans here. I started a thread once and got no replies:

I heart DUB (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67537)

[A.J.]

Admit you are wrong! Morrison stinks and you're glad he's dead! Just surrender!

http://www.recordcorner.nl/images/Cheap%20Trick-surrender.jpg

I love that a Cheap Trick reference was made while Mojo was trashing another one of his hated bands.

[drjoek]

I usually lsiten to Gregorian Chants on my way to school. I'm trying to bring it back.

I think you'd enjoy what I like to lsiten to while driving. Lately it's been a lot of dub from the likes of King Tubby and Mikey Dread.

I thought you were making up board characters for Hottub and Mikeyboy. Man I should switch channels on this XM thing once in a while:tongue:

[EddieMoscone]

ok but given what you just said....wouldn't it follow that you must think the millions and millions who adore and adored them are just morons who wouldn't know good music if it fell on them? or delusional? or uneducated?

That's what I was trying to say earlier...if a band or act is as popular as the Doors, Led Zep or even someone like Hannah Montana for that matter, there has got to be some redeeming value to them, even if we personally do not see it.

Call me Petey Positive, but it seems counterproductive to spend all sorts of time sitting there listening to music you hate just so you can deconstruct it and present reasons why you hate it. If I don't like someone's music, I can't even tell you why, because it would never get a second spin.

[hammersavage]

The man is dead, but his name lives on. Much more then any of us can say about any of us on this message board.


I guarantee i'm gonna teach my kids about St. Mikey of the Internet over that hack Morrison.

[jauble]

That's what I was trying to say earlier...if a band or act is as popular as the Doors, Led Zep or even someone like Hannah Montana for that matter, there has got to be some redeeming value to them, even if we personally do not see it.

Call me Petey Positive, but it seems counterproductive to spend all sorts of time sitting there listening to music you hate just so you can deconstruct it and present reasons why you hate it. If I don't like someone's music, I can't even tell you why, because it would never get a second spin.

Hi Petey.

[grlNIN]

What if you don't like a band because you think they sound awful, and are therefore a shitty band to you?

Then your name is Mojo and you are referring to 98% of music that people enjoy.

Seriously, you're the best except when i see your posts in threads about music and movies. It is pretty safe to say that i know you better than almost everyone on this board and even to me you sound like an uppity, pompous, asshole when these discussions get going.

No offenses.

[TheMojoPin]

I submit that I'm usually a pompous, uppity asshole no matter what.

[grlNIN]

Um.


Fuck you??

Offenses.

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.funmurphys.com/photos/blog/pembroke_corgi.jpg

[King Hippos Bandaid]

The Mojo Snob

atleast you aren't a sports snob

you know Ronnie's views on Cub Fans and how Wrigley is , have another one ya lush

[TheMojoPin]

The Mojo Snob

atleast you aren't a sports snob

you know Ronnie's views on Cub Fans and how Wrigley is , have another one ya lush

See? SEE?!?!?!?

Cubs fan = impossible to be a snob. That's a scientific FACT.

[keithy_19]

See? SEE?!?!?!?

Cubs fan = impossible to be a snob. That's a scientific FACT.

Those fucking white sox fans though...

[IMSlacker]

According to the White Sox fans, all Cub fans are pompous, uppity assholes.

[TheMojoPin]

According to the White Sox fans, all Cub fans are pompous, uppity assholes.

But everyone forgets they exist, so they don't count.

[keithy_19]

But everyone forgets they exist, so they don't count.

Not gang memebers. They eat white sox hats up.

[IMSlacker]

Not gang memebers. They eat white sox hats up.

Most of those are the actual White Sox fans.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Poor Sox vs the Uppity Cubs

South vs North

so maybe you are a Snob Mojo

unless you want to move to the south side of Chicago

[Freakshow]

So what you're saying is Jim Morrison was a White Sox fan?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

So what you're saying is Jim Morrison was a White Sox fan?


exactly, someone photoshop a Sox hat on Morrison

[Gvac]

I submit that I'm usually a pompous, uppity asshole no matter what.

I'll vouch for Mojo!

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah! Listen to the guy who thinks he's Jesus!

[Gvac]

Yeah! Listen to the guy who thinks he's Jesus!

Thinks...or knows?

[TheMojoPin]

unless you want to move to the south side of Chicago

That's ridiculous. Why don't you move to a meth lab in the shade of a landfill? Same experience.

[DiabloSammich]

Train puddle of is weather
sprout are kitchen to spent.





These were the best Doors lyrics quoted in this entire thread. Well done, sir.

[keithy_19]

These were the best Doors lyrics quoted in this entire thread. Well done, sir.

You're the best Doors lyrics ever.

[cougarjake13]

That's it let's have it out.

Jim Morrison is the most overrated piece of shit to ever hit the music industry. His music is generally bullshit "poetry" from a drugged out clown. Just because you try to appear to have depth & intellect doesn't mean that you have it.

Am I wrong? Prove it jerkface.

i disagree

and if you dont get it, theres no way to prove it to you

[keithy_19]

i disagree

and if you dont get it, theres no way to prove it to you

I get that you if you do drugs you ramble about things that make perfect sense while you're on drugs. They don't when the high wears off.

[midwestjeff]

You're all a bunch of fucking idiots!
Letting people tell you what you're gonna do. Letting people push you around. How long do you think it's gonna last? How long are you gonna let it go on? How long are you gonna let them push you around? How long? Maybe you like it, maybe you like being pushed around. Maybe you love it. Maybe you love getting your face stuck in the shit. C'mon. You love it don't ya. You love it. You're all a bunch of slaves. Letting everybody push you around. What are you gonna do about it?
What are you gonna do about it?
What are you gonna do about it?
What are you gonna do about it?
What are you gonna do about it?
What are you gonna do?

[DiabloSammich]

Stop yelling, I'm right here. Damn.

[midwestjeff]

Stop yelling, I'm right here. Damn.

Sorry, I thought you were in the other room.

[keithy_19]

Sorry, I thought you were in the other room.

Down the hall perhaps?

[Freakshow]

You're all a bunch of fucking idiots!
Letting people tell you what you're gonna do. Letting people push you around. How long do you think it's gonna last? How long are you gonna let it go on? How long are you gonna let them push you around? How long? Maybe you like it, maybe you like being pushed around. Maybe you love it. Maybe you love getting your face stuck in the shit. C'mon. You love it don't ya. You love it. You're all a bunch of slaves. Letting everybody push you around. What are you gonna do about it?
What are you gonna do about it?
What are you gonna do about it?
What are you gonna do about it?
What are you gonna do about it?
What are you gonna do?

You know you're right--The Small Faces were an awesome band. Way better lyrics than the Doors. I want you to know that I love you baby. I want you to know I care. I'm so happy when you're around. So sad, when you're not there.

[Furtherman]

There is a moment on one of the Doors live albums where Jim starts talking to the crowd about astrology and how he is a Sagittarius (I don't recall which album) but you hear a girl yell out "So am I!" and that she's a believer and whatnot. Then Jim says "I think it's all a bunch of bullshit" and you hear the girl scream "So do I!"

You all wish you had that power.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I have the shittest taste in music that's why I love the Doors. Particularly Morrison Hotel and Waiting for the Sun albums. What the fuck's wrong with me, I don't even like the album with twentieth century fox on it or the trademark songs that they play 50 million fucking times on 104.3!?!?!?!?!@?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! CCC needs-a-public-stonin' that commy fag

On the other side o' arguments, in defense of the Doors' greatness, HTG said millions can't be wrong but eh... them dudes in 1930's Germany were heinously wrong and there were millions of happy Nazi sympathizers who believed the shit they were shovelin'...

Millions of people to this day refuse to believe in evolution...which, from my point of view, means millions are motherfuckin' wrong....

And millions of people actually somehow cared (for at least a short period of their lives) about Britney Spears' "music". Again, FUCKING WRONG.

But wrong's in the eye of beholder. Lots of anti-semites in the world today who would disagree with my first point, plenty of Earls who disagree with #2, and you get the idea. Fuck #3 I don't give a shit about her ever.

Btw, I said I like the Doors.

Love,
General Fuck-Me-Quick

[IMSlacker]

On the other side o' arguments, in defense of the Doors' greatness, HTG said millions can't be wrong but eh... them dudes in 1930's Germany were heinously wrong and there were millions of happy Nazi sympathizers who believed the shit they were shovelin'...

I could be wrong, but I think you just called HTG a Nazi sympathizer, or something like that.

[TheMojoPin]

Damn, I clearly hate the Doors, and I didn't even try and bring the Nazis into the equation.

Harsh.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Now I'm getting paranoid even tho I know better. I'll explain needlessly as such: you are both right. I ACCUSE!!! The doors=hitler youth + anything else with large groups of people numbering in the Mils+= nazi loving gangbang werewolf cunts of the etc.

actually

the first example I made to somehow prove my point about strength in numbers being shit was over-the-top, out-of-context, and so cliche that i should be executed for using it so i apologize

secondly, i had five hours of sleep+ am sick so my logic today is that of a small child who says basic shit everyone knows

thirdly, who cares i don't anymore fuck me and my philosophy 101 bullshit :surrender:

[Phil_Nubbs]

I adore the church organist theatrics and the angst-ridden high school "poetry". I'm a fan, but believe that they're overrated.

[midwestjeff]

Adolf Hitler is still alive.
I slept with her last night.
Come out from behind that false mustache, Adolf.
I know you're in there.

[TheMojoPin]

*Organ solo*

[Knowledged_one]

Morrison is king when you compare with

http://hypediss.com/system/post/image/14591/thumb/13257-soulja3_redbox.jpg

(yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!)

soulja boy tell em

ayy i got this new dance fo yall called tha Soulja Boy

(yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!)

u gotta punch den crank back 3 times from left ta right

(aaaaaaaahhhhhhhh yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!)

Soulja Boy up In it (oh)
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
den Super Man Dat (oh)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

Soulja Boy up In dis hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
den Super Man Dat hoe
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)


Soulja Boy up In dis hoe
Watch Me Lean And Watch Me Rock
Super Man Dat Hoe
Then Watch Me Crank Dat Robocop
Super Fresh, Now Watch Me Jock
Jockin' On dem Hatas Mane
When I Do Dat Soulja Boy
I Lean To The Left And Crank Dat Thang
(Now yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!)
I'm Jockin' on yo bitch ass
And If We Get To Fightin
Den im cockin' on yo bitch ass
You Catch Me At Yo Local Party
Yes I Crank It Everyday
Haterz Get Mad Cuz
I Got Me Some Bathing Apes

Soulja Boy up In dis Hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
den Super Man Dat Hoe
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

Soulja Boy up In dis Hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
den Super Man Dat Hoe
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

I'm Bouncin On Ma Toes
Watch Me Super Soak Dat Hoe
I'ma Pass It To Arab
[Crank Dat Soulja Boy lyrics on http://www.metrolyrics.com]

Then He Gon Crank it up fa sho
Haterz Wanna Be Me
Soulja Boy, I'm The Man
They Be Lookin At Ma Neck
Sayin' is dem rubberband man (man)
Watch Me Do It (Watch Me Do It)
Dance (Dance)
Lean'N To (Lean'N To)
Nope,You Can't Do It Like Me
Hoe, So Don't Do It Like Me
Folks, I See You Tryna Do It Like Me
Man That Shit Was Ugly

Soulja Boy off In dis Hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
Then Super Man Dat Hoe
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

Soulja Boy off In dis Hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
Then Super Man Dat Hoe
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

im too clean off in dis bitch
Watch me crank it watch me roll
Watch me crank dat roosevelt den supa soak dat hoe(yuaaaaaaaaa!!!)
supa soak dat hoe(supa soak dat hoe)
supa soak dat hoe(supa soak dat hoe)
supa soak dat hoe(supa soak dat hoe)
supa soak dat hoe(supa soak dat hoe)

im too fresh off in dis bitch
Watch me shuffle watch me jig
Watch me crank dat Soulja Boy
Den supaman dat bitch(yuaaaaaaaaa)
supaman dat bitch(supaman dat bitch)
supaman dat bitch(supaman dat bitch)
supaman dat bitch(supaman dat bitch)
(ahhhhhhhhhhhhh yuaaaaaaaaa)

Soulja Boy off In dis Hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
Then Super Man Dat Hoe
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

Soulja Boy off In dis Hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
Then Super Man Dat Hoe
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

(Yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!)

(Ahhhhhhhhhh Yuaaaaaaaaa!!!)

[epo]

Bo Ryan never danced to Jim Morrison, however he did dance to Soulja Boy:

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[spot]

My vote is yes.

[keithy_19]

I had a conversation with my gf about this thread. She thinks of Morrison as being a genius as I've previously stated. She knows I'm not big into him or the doors and when I said I thought he was overrated the mood quickly shifted into disbelief from her. She didn't mind that I disagreed with her, but she just doesn't get it. She did mention the fact I never tripped could be why I don't get it. Apparently when I do it will all make perfect sense.

I don't think that to call someone a genius you need to be under the influence. That's being a genius only under certain circumstances. But hey, to each their own.

I have my idols who I look at being awesome and I know people will disagree with me. It's what it is.

[IMSlacker]

I had a conversation with my gf about this thread. She thinks of Morrison as being a genius as I've previously stated. She knows I'm not big into him or the doors and when I said I thought he was overrated the mood quickly shifted into disbelief from her. She didn't mind that I disagreed with her, but she just doesn't get it. She did mention the fact I never tripped could be why I don't get it. Apparently when I do it will all make perfect sense.

I don't think that to call someone a genius you need to be under the influence. That's being a genius only under certain circumstances. But hey, to each their own.

I have my idols who I look at being awesome and I know people will disagree with me. It's what it is.

Did you explain to your girl friend that she's just like a Nazi sympathizer? That might help.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I'm very surprised that this thread is 10 pages long and only 9 votes. I haven't read the whole thing so if my post is just a repeat of what other had said, sorry.

I voted that Jim "Sucks not at all". I enjoy the music and I like his voice. I don't really pay attention to his lyrics. I am pretty sure his writing isn't as deep as some people think. I think he was running a bit as far as that is concerned. But The Doors had a great sound and he was an interesting frontman that kids still listen to today.

I don't think that to call someone a genius you need to be under the influence. That's being a genius only under certain circumstances.

I agree with you. I would not call him a genius. That word gets thrown around way too much for musicians and actors. I would call him talented.

[IMSlacker]

I'm very surprised that this thread is 10 pages long and only 9 votes.

I think the poll was just added recently (sometime last night?).

[Jughead]

Jim and the Doors turned down Woodstock.....He hated big crowds??????

[dino_electropolis]

Wow....i left this thread 2 days ago, and people are still going on and on.....gotta love the internet!

Clearly, the participation on this thing goes beyond jim and is actually more about personal tastes (although i think the thread should really have been titled "Do you like Jim Morrison", rather than "Does Jim Morrison Suck", b/c the latter asks the reader to make a definitive statement about his talents instead of asking the reader about thier particular tastes)

So we should just let it go.

Btw- if you ever get a chance to see the Soft Parade (Doors tribute band), and your a fan, get yourself to the show.....great performance, and great drugs....lol

[ralphbxny]

Morrison is king when you compare with

http://hypediss.com/system/post/image/14591/thumb/13257-soulja3_redbox.jpg

(yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!)

soulja boy tell em

ayy i got this new dance fo yall called tha Soulja Boy

(yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!)

u gotta punch den crank back 3 times from left ta right

(aaaaaaaahhhhhhhh yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!)

Soulja Boy up In it (oh)
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
den Super Man Dat (oh)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

Soulja Boy up In dis hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
den Super Man Dat hoe
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)


Soulja Boy up In dis hoe
Watch Me Lean And Watch Me Rock
Super Man Dat Hoe
Then Watch Me Crank Dat Robocop
Super Fresh, Now Watch Me Jock
Jockin' On dem Hatas Mane
When I Do Dat Soulja Boy
I Lean To The Left And Crank Dat Thang
(Now yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!)
I'm Jockin' on yo bitch ass
And If We Get To Fightin
Den im cockin' on yo bitch ass
You Catch Me At Yo Local Party
Yes I Crank It Everyday
Haterz Get Mad Cuz
I Got Me Some Bathing Apes

Soulja Boy up In dis Hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
den Super Man Dat Hoe
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

Soulja Boy up In dis Hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
den Super Man Dat Hoe
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now watch me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

I'm Bouncin On Ma Toes
Watch Me Super Soak Dat Hoe
I'ma Pass It To Arab
[Crank Dat Soulja Boy lyrics on http://www.metrolyrics.com]

Then He Gon Crank it up fa sho
Haterz Wanna Be Me
Soulja Boy, I'm The Man
They Be Lookin At Ma Neck
Sayin' is dem rubberband man (man)
Watch Me Do It (Watch Me Do It)
Dance (Dance)
Lean'N To (Lean'N To)
Nope,You Can't Do It Like Me
Hoe, So Don't Do It Like Me
Folks, I See You Tryna Do It Like Me
Man That Shit Was Ugly

Soulja Boy off In dis Hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
Then Super Man Dat Hoe
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

Soulja Boy off In dis Hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
Then Super Man Dat Hoe
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

im too clean off in dis bitch
Watch me crank it watch me roll
Watch me crank dat roosevelt den supa soak dat hoe(yuaaaaaaaaa!!!)
supa soak dat hoe(supa soak dat hoe)
supa soak dat hoe(supa soak dat hoe)
supa soak dat hoe(supa soak dat hoe)
supa soak dat hoe(supa soak dat hoe)

im too fresh off in dis bitch
Watch me shuffle watch me jig
Watch me crank dat Soulja Boy
Den supaman dat bitch(yuaaaaaaaaa)
supaman dat bitch(supaman dat bitch)
supaman dat bitch(supaman dat bitch)
supaman dat bitch(supaman dat bitch)
(ahhhhhhhhhhhhh yuaaaaaaaaa)

Soulja Boy off In dis Hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
Then Super Man Dat Hoe
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

Soulja Boy off In dis Hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
Then Super Man Dat Hoe
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

(Yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!)

(Ahhhhhhhhhh Yuaaaaaaaaa!!!)

God I want to Superman a Hoe Just once!

[keithy_19]

I didn't vote because I don't think either statement represents my feelings on the matter.

[Freakshow]

It's saturday and Jim Morrison still sucks.

[FezPaul]

just out of curiousity...who were the Doors ripping off?


Some Holiday Inn lounge act that didn't the foresight to abuse drugs.

[Stankfoot]

Some Holiday Inn lounge act that didn't the foresight to abuse drugs.

thats their problem .....

[TheMojoPin]

Some Holiday Inn lounge act that didn't the foresight to abuse drugs.

Murf and the Magic Tones?