R&F XM listening thread for 8/21/08

[epo]

The problem with this guest & parts of our society are looking at "blacks" as a bloc. Last time I checked they are individuals.

[Knowledged_one]

Actually, Jimmy, McCain sang like a canary to the VC's.

I'm not trashing him, just saying he acted like a real soldier being tortured, not like the badass some want to paint him as.

At least back-up a stupid comment with some kind of proof

[chili]

The Reverend Wright story was gigantic, yet Reverend Hagee didn't see the light of day.

Clearly the fact that you're mentioning it shows that it indeed was in the national discourse. Did McCain attend Hagee's church at all? Did he attend regularly for 20+ years and have a close bond with him as Obama himself stated he had with Wright? Not quite the same thing I think.

[jauble]

At least he hasn't had his kids sing songs about gays going to hell.

[midwestjeff]

outside the major cities or black areas nobody really cares about obama.

That's not true.

[BinaryBimbo]

Ichiban - Obama is not a Black Man!

[Edwin]

This guy rules.

[Furtherman]

OK, this guy just lost me. Obama is not a black man because his relatives were not part of the civil rights movement?

[patrick187]

You heard it here! Obama is Not black.

[ANC]

At least he hasn't had his kids sing songs about gays going to hell.

And then go on to win an Olympic gold medal...

[Freakshow]

The Reverend Wright story was gigantic, yet Reverend Hagee didn't see the light of day.

Ancedotal evidence. You actually win a lot of arguments that way??? Seems very Limbaugh-y to me.

Post story (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081503100.html)

[chili]

"Obama's father didn't experience slavery"

Neither did anybody's father, asshole, unless they're 140 years old or some shit.

[KnoxHarrington]

I might be wrong about this, but one thing I sawvabout McCain's POW time was that he signed a ""confession" many other POW's did not. I chose my words poorly, and I did not mean to say he was a traitor. It's just that I think some are trying to make him sound like a superhero due to his POW experience, and it seems to me he did what just about anyone else would to survive.

As Epo pointed out, the galling thing about of is that McCain has endorsed a Bush Administration definition of torture that would not include what happened to him.

[Misteriosa]

OK, this guy just lost me. Obama is not a black man because his relatives were not part of the civil rights movement?

he's saying obama is not black because his dad is african as opposed to being slave decended...

aka - he's not black enough

[ANC]

This might be a stupid question, but why are the reverends/pastors revered at political experts or advisors when it comes to Obama's campaign?

[epo]

Selma?

This Reverend is a goddamned liar.

[hexy68]

Ichiban - Obama is not a Black Man!

i'm glad a black Rev said that and not a white guy

[Knowledged_one]

So let me get this right:

1. The press is easy on Obama? McCain lies about the Mother Theresa & possibly the Cross in the Sand story and it doesn't see the light of day.

2. Corrupt donors? The Keating Five. You lose.

3. Being tortured does not automatically mean I should vote for you. Especially when you support they very types of torture by our government that you suffered. Actually it should disqualify you.

4. America doesn't really turnout in recent history. It has little to do with Obama, but rather American apathy.

To point 1 - Similar to Obama's lies about his families exploits in WWII?

To point 2 - I think both have shady donors its not necessarily something thats easy for the individual to control. And I am saying that goes for both Obama and McCain have little direct contact with the people taking donor money

To point 3 - I think we will have to agree to disagree. To me McCain was tortured for the sake of torture, while we tortured people to stop attacks on america

To point 4 - That is patently false voter turnout in 2000 was greater than in 1996 so it could have been apathy to the corrupt Clinton years

[DolaMight]

OK, this guy just lost me. Obama is not a black man because his relatives were not part of the civil rights movement?

and because his father was African and wasn't a slave? Does anyone in America have a father who was enslaved?

[jauble]

Im wondering who he supports...I dont think its McCain.

[yojimbo7248]

OK, this guy just lost me. Obama is not a black man because his relatives were not part of the civil rights movement?

Same here. This sounds like a generational thing. This guy is older and not used to younger attitudes.

[IMSlacker]

This guy is the black Blowhard.

[epo]

Young blacks aren't the generation gap with Obama. Young people are the generation gap with race.

This guest doesn't get it.

[jauble]

and whites:clap:

[SP1!]

So let me get this right:

1. The press is easy on Obama? McCain lies about the Mother Theresa & possibly the Cross in the Sand story and it doesn't see the light of day.

2. Corrupt donors? The Keating Five. You lose.

3. Being tortured does not automatically mean I should vote for you. Especially when you support they very types of torture by our government that you suffered. Actually it should disqualify you.

4. America doesn't really turnout in recent history. It has little to do with Obama, but rather American apathy.

1. Its easy to find if you just google it and it wasnt really a big deal from what I remember

2. So you are lumping him in with 3 corrupt dems that took a lot of money and all mccain took was a vacation in his keatings bahamas home? Everything else was either as a business partner or legal, so again how does that compare to the corruption in chicago directly attached to obama?

3. Not automatically, but it will to quite a few people and to say they are the same tortures is fucking nuts, those little yellow guys thought up tortures that were new to everyone.

4. The last election had a large turnout, longest lines I ever waited in since I got the right to vote, and I wasnt blaming obama I am blaming the lack of a real choice, both sides are the fucking same and it wont matter who gets elected. Both parties are full of shit and nothing will change until we get a viable 3rd party.



And WHITES.........

Damn ron, the guy is trying to be sincere.........

[M.Conundrum]

OK, this guy just lost me. Obama is not a black man because his relatives were not part of the civil rights movement?

Yeah, he kinda lost me there too.

[yojimbo7248]

Good job, Earl. This guy talking about the young generation as just a bunch of drive by killers has made him sound like a complete idiot.

[ANC]

Jim Crowe...hell of a ball player.

[BinaryBimbo]

I might be wrong about this, but one thing I sawvabout McCain's POW time was that he signed a ""confession" many other POW's did not. I chose my words poorly, and I did not mean to say he was a traitor. It's just that I think some are trying to make him sound like a superhero due to his POW experience, and it seems to me he did what just about anyone else would to survive.

As Epo pointed out, the galling thing about of is that McCain has endorsed a Bush Administration definition of torture that would not include what happened to him.

McCain is the Son of an Admiral, and the Viet Cong were going to release him IF he signed the statement.

He refused to be a political pawn and abandon his fellow prisoners who were not part of the deal; so he stayed in the Hanoi Hilton rather than be a traitor to his men.

That's how I heard the story, and I'm sticking to it.

Here's a link about it. (http://vietnamwar.com/johnmccainbio.htm)

[patrick187]

I agree with this guy. Young black men are the biggest problem in america and Obama is giving them money!

[Knowledged_one]

I might be wrong about this, but one thing I sawvabout McCain's POW time was that he signed a ""confession" many other POW's did not. I chose my words poorly, and I did not mean to say he was a traitor. It's just that I think some are trying to make him sound like a superhero due to his POW experience, and it seems to me he did what just about anyone else would to survive.

As Epo pointed out, the galling thing about of is that McCain has endorsed a Bush Administration definition of torture that would not include what happened to him.

P-R-O-V-I-D-E E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E

can i say it any simpler then that, stop throwing out things that you might have seen

[IamFogHat]

Is this Anthony calling in?

[K.C.]

The Obama thing is fascinating from a race standpoint.

Epo makes the point that blacks are always referred to as a group, when they're individuals...but, blacks vote very much in solidarity, so it's understandable why people talk about them as a group.


At the end of the day, this Reverend is a guy who's scared that he's losing his voice in the 'black community' in terms of political power, and sees Obama as a threat.

I think that's his driving motive.

But, I do think he makes some valid points about the people, in particular black people, who are in complete lock step with Obama.

There's some very valid criticisms (and some crazy ones).

But at the end of the day, his credibility is in question, because you can see his motives.

[midwestjeff]

Does anyone in America have a father who was enslaved?

My Dad was an assistant manager for Wal-Mart in the mid-80's.
That's sort of like being a slave.

[ANC]

Did he just blame Italians for black on black crime?

I'm fuckin' lost.

[SP1!]

and because his father was African and wasn't a slave? Does anyone in America have a father who was enslaved?

Yeah hes a little nutty, but then again the main reason reparations wont ever happen is because there would be riots by black people.

[Knowledged_one]

The Obama thing is fascinating from a race standpoint.

Epo makes the point that blacks are always referred to as a group, when they're individuals...but, blacks vote very much in solidarity, so it's understandable why people talk about them as a group.


At the end of the day, this Reverend is a guy who's scared that he's losing his voice in the 'black community' in terms of political power, and sees Obama as a threat.

I think that's his driving motive.

But, I do think he makes some valid points about the people, in particular black people, who are in complete lock step with Obama.

There's some very valid criticisms (and some crazy ones).

But at the end of the day, his credibility is in question, because you can see his motives.

Not to mention that blacks seem like they want to vote for Obama because he is black not his political views

[Knowledged_one]

Did he just blame Italians for black on black crime?

I'm fuckin' lost.

I thought it was because the US gov't pushed crack into the projects

[yojimbo7248]

Can you convert to being an Amish?

[Furtherman]

I might be wrong about this, but one thing I sawvabout McCain's POW time was that he signed a ""confession" many other POW's did not. I chose my words poorly, and I did not mean to say he was a traitor. It's just that I think some are trying to make him sound like a superhero due to his POW experience, and it seems to me he did what just about anyone else would to survive.

Nope. He signed no such thing. Look it up.

This might be a stupid question, but why are the reverends/pastors revered at political experts or advisors when it comes to ANY campaign?

Fixed.

[SP1!]

My Dad was an assistant manager for Wal-Mart in the mid-80's.
That's sort of like being a slave.

We traced our family back to coming over as indentured servants, I always wanted reparations so I could gets some monies.............

[hexy68]

I thought it was because the US gov't pushed crack and the aids into the projects

fixed

[chili]

I might be wrong about this, but one thing I sawvabout McCain's POW time was that he signed a ""confession" many other POW's did not. I chose my words poorly, and I did not mean to say he was a traitor. It's just that I think some are trying to make him sound like a superhero due to his POW experience, and it seems to me he did what just about anyone else would to survive.

As Epo pointed out, the galling thing about of is that McCain has endorsed a Bush Administration definition of torture that would not include what happened to him.

I think that the jingoistic people who make him sound like a superhero are a tad more justified than those pieces of shit who nitpick the way he handled years of fucking torture. I don't want to vote for the guy but I'm not such a fucking asshole as to go after something like that.

And on the torture thing:

from the Atlantic:
"Senator McCain rightly insists that the U.S. may not (i) torture; (ii) engage in cruel treatment prohibited by Common Article 3; or (iii) engage in conduct that shocks the conscience, under the McCain Amendment. He also insists that waterboarding violates each of these legal restrictions, that the Bush Administration's legal analysis has been dishonest and flatly wrong, and that we need "a good faith interpretation of the statutes that guide what is permissible in the CIA program."

[bigredd]

My Dad was an assistant manager for Wal-Mart in the mid-80's.
That's sort of like being a slave.

If he got in on the stock purchase program he damn sure came out of it free man.

[ANC]

I thought it was because the US gov't pushed crack into the projects

Don't forget about the gov't plan to sell "Tropical Fantasy" beverages in the projects to lower their sperm count.

[Misteriosa]

Can you convert to being an Amish?

Yes, it is possible for outsiders, through conversion and convincement, to join the Amish community, but we must quickly add that it seldom happens.

http://www.800padutch.com/atafaq.shtml

:)

[DolaMight]

My Dad was an assistant manager for Wal-Mart in the mid-80's.
That's sort of like being a slave.

he deserves reparations. Wall-Mart officially apologizes and he gets a new levis orange tab jean.

[hexy68]

Can you convert to being an Amish?

you have to give up electricity

[Knowledged_one]

Reparations is such bullshit

When the Irish came over they faced the same issues as blacks did in getting accepted by society.

Like Help Wanted: Irish Need Not Apply
or not hiring red heads because that was associated with Irish decent

[ANC]

Fixed.

Thanks, that's actually what I meant.

[Misteriosa]

Don't forget about the gov't plan to sell "Tropical Fantasy" beverages in the projects to lower their sperm count.

ahahahahahahaha! Tropical Fanstasy is TOTALLY a 'hood drink

http://www.bigtimebiz.biz/documents/hudsonicorg/sponsorsfolder/bklynbottlingcofolder/TROPICAL-FANTASY-SODA-007.jpg

[K.C.]

Not to mention that blacks seem like they want to vote for Obama because he is black not his political views

In the primary, that may have been true.

Blacks vote like 96% democratic in any general election anyway...so I don't think the same logic holds up vs. McCain now.

They'd vote 96% for Hillary if she was running against McCain.

[Knowledged_one]

you have to give up electricity

I think the Amish can use gas powered things like gas generators to make light

[ANC]

Like Help Wanted: Irish Need Not Apply
or not hiring red heads because that was associated with Irish decent

Really? I thought they wouldn't hire red heads because they were.........

DIFF-RENT, DIFF-RENT, DIFF-RENT :laugh:

[Baby DEW Year]

http://www.800padutch.com/atafaq.shtml

:)

An Amish website???? :huh: Who Knew?

[Knowledged_one]

Don't forget about the gov't plan to sell "Tropical Fantasy" beverages in the projects to lower their sperm count.

or Cisco aka liquid crack

[jauble]

All of this talk reminds me why I am not voting for the president.

[ANC]

ahahahahahahaha! Tropical Fanstasy is TOTALLY a 'hood drink

http://www.bigtimebiz.biz/documents/hudsonicorg/sponsorsfolder/bklynbottlingcofolder/TROPICAL-FANTASY-SODA-007.jpg

Hell yeah but I'd buy it in a second if it was still available by me...

[chili]

All of this talk reminds me why I am not voting for the president.

probably the most levelheaded thing said by any of us in the way of political discourse in this thread

[timhorton]

We have the same problem in Canada..if you have Welsh ancestors you're not considered White enough..if you have Irish ancestors you're an untouchable..Only good Scottish or English ancestors make you the right white...It can be a real problem

[Knowledged_one]

Really? I thought they wouldn't hire red heads because they were.........

DIFF-RENT, DIFF-RENT, DIFF-RENT :laugh:

I think you and i may be long lost brothers or something

[DolaMight]

An Amish website???? :huh: Who Knew?

i picture a cow hooked up to to a pole walking in circles generating electricity to host the website.

[jauble]

We have the same problem in Canada..if you have Welsh ancestors you're not considered White enough..if you have Irish ancestors you're an untouchable..Only good Scottish or English ancestors make you the right white...It can be a real problem

I've seen the welsh and the irish, how pasty of a background do you need to come from?

[DolaMight]

We have the same problem in Canada..if you have Welsh ancestors you're not considered White enough..if you have Irish ancestors you're an untouchable..Only good Scottish or English ancestors make you the right white...It can be a real problem

really? where does this happen?

[epo]

To point 1 - Similar to Obama's lies about his families exploits in WWII?

To point 2 - I think both have shady donors its not necessarily something thats easy for the individual to control. And I am saying that goes for both Obama and McCain have little direct contact with the people taking donor money

To point 3 - I think we will have to agree to disagree. To me McCain was tortured for the sake of torture, while we tortured people to stop attacks on america

To point 4 - That is patently false voter turnout in 2000 was greater than in 1996 so it could have been apathy to the corrupt Clinton years

1. Mistaking Auschwitz for Buchenwald, is not akin to lying about who you are. McCain claimed that his daughter with Cindy who they adopted was a suggestion by Mother Theresa. The man lied about his daughter.

2. I will state again that Keating Five trumps Tony Rezko. The Keating Five cost the american taxpayer over $125 Million.

3. So our reason for torture is more valid than their reason for torture? That is the type of "slippery slope" that degrades our national stature.

4. My statement was simply a commentary about our shitty rate of turnout for our "greatest right". The stats on that are (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html):

2004: 55.3%
2000: 51.3%
1996: 49.1%
1992: 55.1%
1988: 50.1%
1984: 53.1%
1980: 52.6%
1976: 53.6%
1972: 55.2%
1968: 60.8%
1964: 61.9%
1960: 63.1%

That type of historical slide in turnout is not about the Clintons, it's about America not giving a shit. To think otherwise is hackish.

[ANC]

I think you and i may be long lost brothers or something

http://nunolopes.typepad.com/igmarketing_eng/images/250pxoh_brother_where_art_thou.png


:thumbup:

[KnoxHarrington]

In the primary, that may have been true.

Blacks vote like 96% democratic in any general election anyway...so I don't think the same logic holds up vs. McCain now.

They'd vote 96% for Hillary if she was running against McCain.

Anyone got the number on what percentage of black voters voted for Kerry? I don't think it was 96%, but it was close.

And you don't get much whiter than John Kerry.

[Freakshow]

Don't forget about the gov't plan to sell "Tropical Fantasy" beverages in the projects to lower their sperm count.

I'm pretty sure my college put saltpeter in the dining commons food to supress sex drive.

[Furtherman]

We have the same problem in Canada..if you have Welsh ancestors you're not considered White enough..if you have Irish ancestors you're an untouchable..Only good Scottish or English ancestors make you the right white...It can be a real problem

really? where does this happen?

Where everything happens... along the U.S. border.

[Misteriosa]

We have the same problem in Canada..if you have Welsh ancestors you're not considered White enough..if you have Irish ancestors you're an untouchable..Only good Scottish or English ancestors make you the right white...It can be a real problem

is this why the french-canadians want out?

[epo]

When the Irish came over they faced the same issues as blacks did in getting accepted by society.

Like Help Wanted: Irish Need Not Apply
or not hiring red heads because that was associated with Irish decent

With the exception of that whole "human slaves" thing.

[yojimbo7248]

Please, more Crazed. I loved hearing him beg for callers after the commercials.

[JimmieHats]

We have the same problem in Canada..if you have Welsh ancestors you're not considered White enough..if you have Irish ancestors you're an untouchable..Only good Scottish or English ancestors make you the right white...It can be a real problem


silly flapheads.

[epo]

ahahahahahahaha! Tropical Fanstasy is TOTALLY a 'hood drink

http://www.bigtimebiz.biz/documents/hudsonicorg/sponsorsfolder/bklynbottlingcofolder/TROPICAL-FANTASY-SODA-007.jpg

Hood drink? It's fucking delicious!

[Freakshow]

1. Mistaking Auschwitz for Buchenwald, is not akin to lying about who you are. McCain claimed that his daughter with Cindy who they adopted was a suggestion by Mother Theresa. The man lied about his daughter.

2. I will state again that Keating Five trumps Tony Rezko. The Keating Five cost the american taxpayer over $125 Million.

3. So our reason for torture is more valid than their reason for torture? That is the type of "slippery slope" that degrades our national stature.

4. My statement was simply a commentary about our shitty rate of turnout for our "greatest right". The stats on that are (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html):

2004: 55.3%
2000: 51.3%
1996: 49.1%
1992: 55.1%
1988: 50.1%
1984: 53.1%
1980: 52.6%
1976: 53.6%
1972: 55.2%
1968: 60.8%
1964: 61.9%
1960: 63.1%

That type of historical slide in turnout is not about the Clintons, it's about America not giving a shit. To think otherwise is hackish.

Wasn't the Keating Five thing ages ago? Didn't it inspire McCain to become a champion for campaign finance reform the past 20 years? If that's in play, then every time I refer to Obama i'm going to call him a drug addict...

[KnoxHarrington]

With the exception of that whole "human slaves" thing.

How much could you get on the open market for an Irishman anyway?

[jauble]

With the exception of that whole "human slaves" thing.

There were some irish slaves, but the number was a tiny percentage compared to those of african heritage.

[Misteriosa]

lily? http://www.moviefanficchains.com/myPictures/LittleMermaidForkAnim.gif

and im considering the laser treatment too

[timhorton]

really? where does this happen?

I won't pull the curtain back.....

[Flea_Man]

Kiss with eyes closed. Fuck with eyes open.

[Furtherman]

There were some irish slaves, but the number was a tiny percentage compared to those of african heritage.

A lot of the Irish had to work off their traveling debts for years before they were "free". Much like today's illegal Asian immigrants.

[Knowledged_one]

1. Mistaking Auschwitz for Buchenwald, is not akin to lying about who you are. McCain claimed that his daughter with Cindy who they adopted was a suggestion by Mother Theresa. The man lied about his daughter.

2. I will state again that Keating Five trumps Tony Rezko. The Keating Five cost the american taxpayer over $125 Million.

3. So our reason for torture is more valid than their reason for torture? That is the type of "slippery slope" that degrades our national stature.

4. My statement was simply a commentary about our shitty rate of turnout for our "greatest right". The stats on that are (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html):

2004: 55.3%
2000: 51.3%
1996: 49.1%
1992: 55.1%
1988: 50.1%
1984: 53.1%
1980: 52.6%
1976: 53.6%
1972: 55.2%
1968: 60.8%
1964: 61.9%
1960: 63.1%

That type of historical slide in turnout is not about the Clintons, it's about America not giving a shit. To think otherwise is hackish.

Except McCain was not found guilty of anywrongdoing in teh Keating Five situation however Rezko has been found guilty

Also answer this question honestly - Did the US benefit from the torture of the terrorists more then the Vietnamese did from the torture of US soldiers?

[jauble]

Fuck Im starving, but my stomach feels like I swallowed the jagged metal Krusty-O.

[JimmieHats]

Kiss with eyes closed. Fuck with eyes open.

Smart man. Gotta watch out for the bouncer...

[BinaryBimbo]

Wasn't the Keating Five thing ages ago? Didn't it inspire McCain to become a champion for campaign finance reform the past 20 years? If that's in play, then every time I refer to Obama i'm going to call him a drug addict...


All he said was , "maybe a little blow if you had the money"; it's not like he denied liking the smell of cocaine.

[ANC]

Smart man. Gotta watch out for the bouncer...

:lol:

[Flea_Man]

Smart man. Gotta watch out for the bouncer...

I'm guessing this is never going away....... hahaha


I agree with Hicks. While I don't like the 'party girl' that gets drunk and high and "WOO HOO BEER PONG"...... tattoos and piercings are sooooooooooo sexy.

[biggestmexi]

Any one see Young People Fucking?

great movie

[epo]

Wasn't the Keating Five thing ages ago? Didn't it inspire McCain to become a champion for campaign finance reform the past 20 years? If that's in play, then every time I refer to Obama i'm going to call him a drug addict...

Or the story of Donald Diamond (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/22/us/politics/22diamond.html?_r=2&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1219341694-JnHS9ikwQQggI8gOOuGfQw).

Or the story that John McCain of "McCain/Feingold" campaign finance, broke the very laws that he wrote in this election cycle.

Seriously, this myth that John McCain is a "maverick" is hilarious.

[ANC]

Fuck Im starving, but my stomach feels like I swallowed the jagged metal Krusty-O.

Or you eated the purple berries and they taste like burning?

*Hint Hint, more Simpsons references :thumbup:

[KnoxHarrington]

I have never heard a woman day they liked the "meterosexual" thing. So what's the point? Who's it for?

[epo]

Wasn't the Keating Five thing ages ago? Didn't it inspire McCain to become a champion for campaign finance reform the past 20 years? If that's in play, then every time I refer to Obama i'm going to call him a drug addict...

Strom Thurman was racist many years ago. Aren't we past that now?

[Misteriosa]

Smart man. Gotta watch out for the bouncer...

:lol: ahahahaha... i think i might put that in the lotd thread :p

[Knowledged_one]

With the exception of that whole "human slaves" thing.

The first Irish slaves were sold to a settlement on the Amazon River In South America in 1612. It would probably be more accurate to say that the first “recorded” sale of Irish slaves was in 1612, because the English, who were noted for their meticulous record keeping, simply did not keep track of things Irish, whether it be goods or people, unless such was being shipped to England. The disappearance of a few hundred or a few thousand Irish was not a cause for alarm, but rather for rejoicing. Who cared what their names were anyway, they were gone.

Almost as soon as settlers landed in America, English privateers showed up with a good load of slaves to sell. The first load of African slaves brought to Virginia arrived at Jamestown in 1619. English shippers, with royal encouragement, partnered with the Dutch to try and corner the slave market to the exclusion of the Spanish and Portuguese. The demand was greatest in the Spanish occupied areas of Central and South America, but the settlement of North America moved steadily ahead, and the demand for slave labour grew.

The Proclamation of 1625 ordered that Irish political prisoners be transported overseas and sold as laborers to English planters, who were settling the islands of the West Indies, officially establishing a policy that was to continue for two centuries. In 1629 a large group of Irish men and women were sent to Guiana, and by 1632, Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. By 1637 a census showed that 69% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves, which records show was a cause of concern to the English planters. But there were not enough political prisoners to supply the demand, so every petty infraction carried a sentence of transporting, and slaver gangs combed the country sides to kidnap enough people to fill out their quotas

Irish were sold into slavery and what i said was acceptance into society not what they went through.

[EliSnow]

Kiss with eyes closed. Fuck with eyes open.

I'd be keeping my eyes open in those bathrooms. You don't want to step in piss or something.

[jauble]

Of you eated the purple berries and they taste like burning?

*Hint Hint, more simpsons references :thumbup:

My friend soaked blueberries in everclear for a couple of months. They tasted like burning and were basically knockout pills. But for you ANC saxamaphone.

[yojimbo7248]

Jeez, Fez slamming on Lilly. She has an extremely sexy laugh.

[timhorton]

is this why the french-canadians want out?

OHHHH...much like the relationship between Mexico and the USA..the vanquished are always a problem...we will continue the subregation...and they will enjoy it...(they're still white though)..just white enough..but not as good as the Welsh..better than the Irish

[Freakshow]

Strom Thurman was racist many years ago. Aren't we past that now?

you mean, other than the fact that he's dead???

[Knowledged_one]

Or you eated the purple berries and they taste like burning?

*Hint Hint, more Simpsons references :thumbup:

Im so hungry i could eat at Arby's

[ANC]

My friend soaked blueberries in everclear for a couple of months. They tasted like burning and were basically knockout pills. But for you ANC saxamaphone.

Hmmm... I think I'll be stopping by the fruit stand on the way home.

:laugh: thanks, and I'll raise you a tramopoline.

[DOHO@HOME]

I think that the jingoistic people who make him sound like a superhero are a tad more justified than those pieces of shit who nitpick the way he handled years of fucking torture. I don't want to vote for the guy but I'm not such a fucking asshole as to go after something like that.

And on the torture thing:

from the Atlantic:
"Senator McCain rightly insists that the U.S. may not (i) torture; (ii) engage in cruel treatment prohibited by Common Article 3; or (iii) engage in conduct that shocks the conscience, under the McCain Amendment. He also insists that waterboarding violates each of these legal restrictions, that the Bush Administration's legal analysis has been dishonest and flatly wrong, and that we need "a good faith interpretation of the statutes that guide what is permissible in the CIA program."

I was trying to wait and let the fucking preasure release from my head, but you are right on target with these fuckin assholes who nitpick any veteran who has been a POW.

[KingGeno]

Dear lord.....

Fez's Fartch Ass-id is taking over his body, starting with the brain. EVERYONE PANIC!

[ANC]

Im so hungry i could eat at Arby's

nice same episode reference... :laugh:

[epo]

Also answer this question honestly - Did the US benefit from the torture of the terrorists more then the Vietnamese did from the torture of US soldiers?

We have no clue. And most experts agree that our "expansion" of the definition of torture is completely useless in the acquisition of information.

The fundamental question is that in our current conflict, the President has defined this as a "moral war". So in a moral war, we must remain clean so that we can not only win by the sword, but also win the moral aspect.

As we go into the gutter, we cede the moral high ground and I have no time for that situation.

[chili]

Strom Thurman was racist many years ago. Aren't we past that now?

uh... what

[bigredd]

All the time?!? Where does that line start?

[Knowledged_one]

nice same episode reference... :laugh:

Go Banana

[Furtherman]

I just fell off my chair.

[JimmieHats]

"I give blow jobs all the time"

I'll be back...

[timhorton]

"I love catering to men", Lily

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa234/TimHorton_01/Smiley-Faint.gif

[nevnut]

Lily: I give blowjobs all the time.

God she is so fucking hot!!

[BinaryBimbo]

The first Irish slaves were sold to a settlement on the Amazon River In South America in 1612. It would probably be more accurate to say that the first “recorded” sale of Irish slaves was in 1612, because the English, who were noted for their meticulous record keeping, simply did not keep track of things Irish, whether it be goods or people, unless such was being shipped to England. The disappearance of a few hundred or a few thousand Irish was not a cause for alarm, but rather for rejoicing. Who cared what their names were anyway, they were gone.

Almost as soon as settlers landed in America, English privateers showed up with a good load of slaves to sell. The first load of African slaves brought to Virginia arrived at Jamestown in 1619. English shippers, with royal encouragement, partnered with the Dutch to try and corner the slave market to the exclusion of the Spanish and Portuguese. The demand was greatest in the Spanish occupied areas of Central and South America, but the settlement of North America moved steadily ahead, and the demand for slave labour grew.

The Proclamation of 1625 ordered that Irish political prisoners be transported overseas and sold as laborers to English planters, who were settling the islands of the West Indies, officially establishing a policy that was to continue for two centuries. In 1629 a large group of Irish men and women were sent to Guiana, and by 1632, Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. By 1637 a census showed that 69% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves, which records show was a cause of concern to the English planters. But there were not enough political prisoners to supply the demand, so every petty infraction carried a sentence of transporting, and slaver gangs combed the country sides to kidnap enough people to fill out their quotas

Irish were sold into slavery and what i said was acceptance into society not what they went through.


The Irish might have started it; but by my calculations the Blacks suffered slavery 25 years longer than them. I propose 36 acres, and a sheepy, for all redheads.

[ANC]

Go Banana

Oh that Ralph Wiggum, will he ever win.. :down:

[jauble]

Hmmm... I think I'll be stopping by the fruit stand on the way home.

:laugh: thanks, and I'll raise you a tramopoline.

Im wondering if you crushed them and made a wine what it might taste like. I suggest using my friend here to help you out.
http://www.lossimpsonsonline.com.ar/personajes/stampy/stampy.png

[timhorton]

"I give blow jobs all the time"

I'll be back...

for our new friends, Mr. Hats is very fond of the young Lily...verrry Fond....

[ANC]

People who just posted what Lily said are just askin' for a modquote...

[KnoxHarrington]

"The chick also needs to be a guy, right?"

[IamFogHat]

nice same episode reference... :laugh:

"How many monkey butlers will there be?"
"Well, one at first, but he'll train others."

[Knowledged_one]

We have no clue. And most experts agree that our "expansion" of the definition of torture is completely useless in the acquisition of information.

The fundamental question is that in our current conflict, the President has defined this as a "moral war". So in a moral war, we must remain clean so that we can not only win by the sword, but also win the moral aspect.

As we go into the gutter, we cede the moral high ground and I have no time for that situation.

Unbelievable that you cant answer that question honestly, a man who was caught and lead to stopping terrorist attacks both abroad and on US soil, and the torture of minor US troops in Vietnam who knew nothing of grander schemes you have no clue? This is why Americans despise the way the Democrats handle things because they are inactive and dont answer questions merely shift the answer to something not asked

[Freakshow]

Go Banana

Best song ever written:

i'm going to africa
yes m'am i'm a brick
was president lincoln ok
mitten

there's a dog in the vent
chicken necks
I pick Ken Griffey Jr.
I fell out 2 times

i'm peddling backwards
this snowflake takes like fish sticks
we're a totem pole
dying tickles

i heard a frankenstein lives there
she's touching my special area
go bananana

ralphie (ralphie) get off (get off) the stage (the stage) sweetheart (sweetheart)
o say can you rock!
i'm a pop sensation
i'm a pop senstaion

salmon gutters?

i'm idaho
you smell like dead bunnies
that's where I saw the leprachaun
fun toys are fun
chocolate microscopes
you're not it
that is so 1991
i bit my tounge

ralphie (ralphie) get off (get off) the stage (the stage) sweetheart (sweetheart)
o say can you rock!
i'm a pop sensation
i'm a pop senstaion

yvan eht nioj
yvan eht nioj
yvan eht nioj
yvan eht nioj
yvan eht nioj
yvan eht nioj

my sash says ultraman

[EliSnow]

Kiss with eyes closed. Fuck with eyes open.

The first Irish slaves were sold to a settlement on the Amazon River In South America in 1612. It would probably be more accurate to say that the first “recorded” sale of Irish slaves was in 1612, because the English, who were noted for their meticulous record keeping, simply did not keep track of things Irish, whether it be goods or people, unless such was being shipped to England. The disappearance of a few hundred or a few thousand Irish was not a cause for alarm, but rather for rejoicing. Who cared what their names were anyway, they were gone.

Almost as soon as settlers landed in America, English privateers showed up with a good load of slaves to sell. The first load of African slaves brought to Virginia arrived at Jamestown in 1619. English shippers, with royal encouragement, partnered with the Dutch to try and corner the slave market to the exclusion of the Spanish and Portuguese. The demand was greatest in the Spanish occupied areas of Central and South America, but the settlement of North America moved steadily ahead, and the demand for slave labour grew.

The Proclamation of 1625 ordered that Irish political prisoners be transported overseas and sold as laborers to English planters, who were settling the islands of the West Indies, officially establishing a policy that was to continue for two centuries. In 1629 a large group of Irish men and women were sent to Guiana, and by 1632, Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. By 1637 a census showed that 69% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves, which records show was a cause of concern to the English planters. But there were not enough political prisoners to supply the demand, so every petty infraction carried a sentence of transporting, and slaver gangs combed the country sides to kidnap enough people to fill out their quotas

Irish were sold into slavery and what i said was acceptance into society not what they went through.

Where were you when the one idiot was arguing that Africans created slavery?

[ANC]

Im wondering if you crushed them and made a wine what it might taste like. I suggest using my friend here to help you out.
http://www.lossimpsonsonline.com.ar/personajes/stampy/stampy.png

Ahh they're playing the Elephant Song.

[jauble]

People who just posted what Lily said are just askin' for a modquote...

If only I had the power...

[ANC]

"How many monkey butlers will there be?"
"Well, one at first, but he'll train others."

"And maybe some wine for the older kids"
"Delicious wine?"
"Exactly"

[Knowledged_one]

Im wondering if you crushed them and made a wine what it might taste like. I suggest using my friend here to help you out.
http://www.lossimpsonsonline.com.ar/personajes/stampy/stampy.png

Ithink i'll call him stampy

Simpsons quotes are my wheelhouse

[IamFogHat]

Slippers after work? What year is this?

[bigredd]

Outside interests are a must! I like that my chick shares some of my interests but she has her own as well.

[Flea_Man]

Ahh they're playing the Elephant Song.

WHERE'S MY ELEPHANT? WHERE'S MY ELEPHANT? WHERE'S MY ELEPHANT?

[JimmieHats]

People who just posted what Lily said are just askin' for a modquote...


*zip*

Oh dip. I've been so cautious too...

[Freakshow]

"And maybe some wine for the older kids"
"Delicious wine?"
"Exactly"

How many monkey butlers will there be?

[KingGeno]

Outside interests are needed, just as long as chicks don't get pissy and ya know what when you don't care about what that interest is.

[ANC]

If only I had the power...

You and me both...

Apparantly they're not meant to be complimentary....and apparantly I'm a real goer...:wallbash:

[IamFogHat]

"And maybe some wine for the older kids"
"Delicious wine?"
"Exactly"

"It'll be like Swiss Family Robinson, only with more cursing. We'll be kings. Damn hell ass kings!"

[Friday]

i'm back!

what did i miss?

[Baby DEW Year]

Slippers after work? What year is this?

Also, what the hell does he need to relax from?

[timhorton]

Slippers after work? What year is this?

i think by slippers Dave means Bushmills

[Misteriosa]

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/7/l/A/ralphnose.jpg

look daddy, a whale egg!

[ANC]

i'm back!

what did i miss?

Everyone's inner Simpsons geek showing...

[EliSnow]

i'm back!

what did i miss?

Lilly was talking about her sexual likes and dislikes again, including how she loves giving blowjobs.

[Baby DEW Year]

i'm back!

what did i miss?

Obama's not black.
Earl got Pwned.
Dave's dumb.
Fezzie's sweating.
Lillie likes giving BJ's.

How was lunch? :happy:

[BinaryBimbo]

i'm back!

what did i miss?


Obama is not Black, and Lily likes rough sex in the kitchen.

[nevnut]

i'm back!

what did i miss?

Lily wants to give all the guys at RonFez.net a blowjob.

[Freakshow]

Slippers after work? What year is this?

I love the fact that dave says he chick Has to have the same political views, and then when asked about reality it's the complete opposite. I bet casey never brings him slippers, either. :lol:

[KingGeno]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:BIbQB9diYE1irM:http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/gallery/images/RalphWiggum2.gif
"My cat's breath smells like cat food."

[Freakshow]

Mystery Date. Hope she doesn't get the dud. Hey the dud looks just like Milhouse. Stand up for yourself, dud.

[jauble]

You and me both...

Apparantly they're not meant to be complimentary....and apparantly I'm a real goer...:wallbash:

I've figured it out I will install a bandwith blocker over ronfez.net until I become a super mod...you can be my smithers, but more gay please.

http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/simpsons%20sun-jj-001.jpg

[Baby DEW Year]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:BIbQB9diYE1irM:http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/gallery/images/RalphWiggum2.gif
"My cat's breath smells like cat food."

Someone else looking for a mod quote?

[hexy68]

Obama's not black.
Earl got Pwned.
Dave's dumb.
Fezzie's sweating.
Lillie likes giving BJ's.


we're concentrating on the last statement at this time :happy:

[Friday]

Lilly was talking about her sexual likes and dislikes again, including how she loves giving blowjobs.

Obama's not black.
Earl got Pwned.
Dave's dumb.
Fezzie's sweating.
Lillie likes giving BJ's.

How was lunch? :happy:

Obama is not Black, and Lily likes rough sex in the kitchen.

ALRIGHTY!

so i missed absolutely nothing new or interesting. :bye:

lunch was magnificent and Free! and i get to eat leftovers for dinner ... wheeeeeeeee

[bigredd]

Who'd be ashamed of two asexuals and Dave? Crazy talk.

[BinaryBimbo]

If I had a hundred grand for every time Ron asked ESD to put his pants back on I would be a very rich man.

[JimmieHats]

Sleep! Yay! That's where I'm a Viking!

[Misteriosa]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:BIbQB9diYE1irM:http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/gallery/images/RalphWiggum2.gif

Slow down Bart! My legs don't know how to be as long as yours."

edit: hats read my mind

[ANC]

Mystery Date. Hope she doesn't get the dud. Hey the dud looks just like you poindexter. Stand up for yourself, poindexter.

Fixed, but you still get a :lol:

[jauble]

Sleep! Yay! That's where I'm a Viking!

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:BIbQB9diYE1irM:http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/gallery/images/RalphWiggum2.gif
Oh boy! Sleep! That's when I'm a Viking!

There was a pile up today in the listening thread...there were no survivors.

[KingGeno]

If someone were to turn that mini-Ralph Wiggum picture into Fez, and put his quotes under it, I would be SO happy.

[Friday]

There was a pile up today in the listening thread...there were no survivors.

PUPPY PILE!!

http://www.jaegerbakken.com/images/puppy_pile.jpg

[Servo]

http://static.flickr.com/46/144275912_8033c54319_o.jpg

"That's some fine flutin'."

[jauble]

If someone were to turn that mini-Ralph Wiggum picture into Fez, and put his quotes under it, I would be SO happy.

this is not about tourettes or south park...maybe a later day.

[ANC]

If someone were to turn that mini-Ralph Wiggum picture into Fez, and put his quotes under it, I would be SO happy.

Hmmm let me see what I can do...

[KingGeno]

this is not about tourettes or south park...maybe a later day.

:wink: Word.

[epo]

Unbelievable that you cant answer that question honestly, a man who was caught and lead to stopping terrorist attacks both abroad and on US soil, and the torture of minor US troops in Vietnam who knew nothing of grander schemes you have no clue? This is why Americans despise the way the Democrats handle things because they are inactive and dont answer questions merely shift the answer to something not asked

Unbelievable?

Without facts and data that the torture employed by the US Governement on our detainees, I can't make a broad statement.

I must be a commie if I can't conform on that one.

[jauble]

:wink: Word.

Im glad we are on the same page.

[Misteriosa]

i know its late but i saw a grandpa simpson quote that i thought was appropriate

The last time the meteors came, we thought the sky was on fire. Naturally, we blamed the Irish. We hanged more 'n a few.

[timhorton]

Baptising a Jewish baby...there may be smoke..Careful Dave

[timhorton]

i know its late but i saw a grandpa simpson quote that i thought was appropriate

:hysterical:

[KnoxHarrington]

Dave, your daughter is Jewish.

To quote David Cross, in the voice of a Rabbi: "Let me ask you this...your mother's vagina, was it Jewish?"

[KingGeno]

Still one of my fav comedy cd's, Knox. :laugh:

[Freakshow]

Fixed, but you still get a :lol:

I wasn't quite sure how to translate that to the web.

Oooh. High School Quarterback. He's a dreamboat. Don't wait up, Marge.

[epo]

Fez needs to find himself another lonely weird-o to date.

[yojimbo7248]

I am a new listener so sorry if this is a dumb question but has Fez ever had a sexual relationship that he admitted to on air?

[Jughead]

I am a new listener so sorry if this is a dumb question but has Fez ever had a sexual relationship that he admitted to on air?

Never...:bye:

[EliSnow]

Baptising a Jewish baby...there may be smoke..Careful Dave

I don't know. It worked for Jesus.

[jauble]

I am a new listener so sorry if this is a dumb question but has Fez ever had a sexual relationship that he admitted to on air?

fake gf in niagra falls and claimed to date dawn cumia, anthony's sister.

[Jughead]

fake gf in niagra falls and claimed to date dawn cumia, anthony's sister.

And Rhino's Aunt...:tongue:

[timhorton]

I am a new listener so sorry if this is a dumb question but has Fez ever had a sexual relationship that he admitted to on air?

He had a girlfriend in Niagara Falls

[KingGeno]

I am a new listener so sorry if this is a dumb question but has Fez ever had a sexual relationship that he admitted to on air?

There was a Fez sex tape..... (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70169)

I'd say NSFW, but it really is NSFL.

[Friday]

Arch!

[biggestmexi]

I am a new listener so sorry if this is a dumb question but has Fez ever had a sexual relationship that he admitted to on air?

no one ever cuts him any slack


there are a couple thing about Fez relations off air on Ron's Blog

[timhorton]

I don't know. It worked for Jesus.

That didn't end well for him...

[Hottub]

ARCH!!:thumbup:

[Hottub]

That didn't end well for him...

:lol:

[timhorton]

borderline illegals...Mexicans?...Canadians?..Dominicans

[Dingbat_Charlie]

fezzy's little "yeah" was priceless (when Ron said he likes barely-legal young men)

[Misteriosa]

anyone want to send fez a kilt? :p

[EliSnow]

That didn't end well for him...

His life didn't end well, but it sounds like a nice Batptism. Sky opens up and your father admits your his child. Nice moment for Jesu.

[ANC]

I wasn't quite sure how to translate that to the web.

Oooh. High School Quarterback. He's a dreamboat. Don't wait up, Marge.

:thumbup:

[KingGeno]

Simply ask Lilly for her boyfriend's advice on finding trannies for Fez.

[OGC]

Fez comes out with a bomb like this so close to the end of the show. They need to extend the show today.

[EliSnow]

Fez comes out with a bomb like this so close to the end of the show. They need to extend the show today.

Had to take a conference call. What was the bomb?

[timhorton]

fezzy's little "yeah" was priceless (when Ron said he likes barely-legal young men)

The curtain almost got pulled back.....

[JimmieHats]

Sky opens up and your father admits your his child. Nice moment for Jesu.

George Lucas stole the script for Star Wars from Jesus?!

[jauble]

Had to take a conference call. What was the bomb?

fez tounge kissed a girl in college

[hexy68]

Simply ask Lilly for her boyfriend's advice on finding trannies for Fez.

sshhhh!!!...we don't talk about this! :laugh:

[biggestmexi]

fez tounge kissed a girl in college

a girl tounged fez in college.

Fez is still a sub.

[OGC]

"And that woman's name was Kay Kyser"

that is all the more funny since Kay Kyser was a man.





fuck, how old am I to know that anyway.

[timhorton]

George Lucas stole the script for Star Wars from Jesus?!

Fifth Element?

[epo]

So I guess Pepper did get hired.

Good for him.

[JimmieHats]

Great show today. Mucho loffs. :lol:

S'ya!

[BinaryBimbo]

and that's the end of our show...Donk.

Have a good day everyone.

[epo]

George Lucas stole the script for Star Wars from Jesus?!

Or Joseph Campbell.

[timhorton]

DONK!

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa234/TimHorton_01/HomestarRunnerClearStix.jpg

[Misteriosa]

http://www.scifi.com/freezone/mst3000/10_satellite.jpg

ok buddays!

see you all tomorrow!

http://www.emperorshotz.com/homestar.jpg

[IamFogHat]

Seeyuh buddays.

[Dingbat_Charlie]

Big Leslie?

http://www.nndb.com/people/158/000023089/ln1.jpg



later buddays.

[Sue_Bender]

I am a new listener so sorry if this is a dumb question but has Fez ever had a sexual relationship that he admitted to on air?


He and Earl fucked like shadow puppets.

There's even a video floating around the underground.

[Friday]

bye buddays!

see you tomorrow.... sorta :wink:

[Sue_Bender]

Twatios, Buddays!

[hexy68]

CYA buddays!!...bring the Phils more good luck tonight Geno!! :bye:

[ANC]

If someone were to turn that mini-Ralph Wiggum picture into Fez, and put his quotes under it, I would be SO happy.

Here ya go Geno, sorry I had to do a rush job....

http://onebullettest.com/MSGBRD/fez_simpson.png

[disneyspy]

no one ever cuts him any slack


there are a couple thing about Fez relations off air on Ron's Blog

how do i find rons blog? i usta think there was somethin goin on between fez and gary spivey in the early 90s

[jauble]

I missed you all in the listening threads...now back to the vomiting.

[JimmieHats]

I missed you all in the listening threads...now back to the vomiting.


So it was undercooked, eh? Feel better, budday.

[Sue_Bender]

how do i find rons blog? i usta think there was somethin goin on between fez and gary spivey in the early 90s


It's linked on the home page.

[jauble]

So it was undercooked, eh? Feel better, budday.

and that is why light is important so you can see what you are doing. I appreciate and welcome jh.