Sarah Palin RNC speech listening thread 9-3-08

[Ritalin]

usa usa usa!

WEEEEEEE!

I'm pregnant!

USA! USA! USA!

[AKA]

See, the brilliance of the last few days is now the "Angry Left/ Liberal / Washington Elite / Media / Pundits" are too beaten back to say anything critical.

[brettmojo]

SMOKIN lil body on that daughter....my vote is starting to sway.

Wait, thats not my vote....
I'll be pulling a lever in November... But not THAT lever.

[dino_electropolis]

Spinmeisters on FOX should be fun.


Someone just nuke us already, and let us start fresh.


Gonna go listen to Aenema by Tool for comfort.

[razorboy]

You guys are all looking at this through incredibly jaded eyes with no understanding of how that will be perceived by the average voter. She proved herself to be tough, American dream, 21st century woman. It wasnt an earth shattering speech, but it was good, not great. Solid start for her

Awww budday, that was a bad speech. Really bad.

[JerseySean]

Even Keith Olberman said

"Clearly, this was a great speech"

Matthews

"I am pleasantly surprised."

These fucking guys have been waiting to pounce all night and these are their comments.

[Tall_James]

Anagram for "McCain Palin"

Niacin Clamp

Anagrams for "Obama Biden"

Babied Moan
Babe Domain
Abbe Domain
Nabob Amide
Nabob Media
Nabob Aimed
Ameboid Nab
Ameboid Ban

What does it mean? Absolutely fucking nothing.

[AKA]

See, the brilliance of the last few days is now the "Angry Left/ Liberal / Washington Elite / Media / Pundits" are too beaten back to say anything critical.

Olberman said it was a great speech.

[scottinnj]

Yay!

Hockey dad and preggers Bristol on stage!

They look so natural...


...oh wait, hockey dad's making a break for it...stop him before he reaches the doors!

Get back here boy! We got a weddin' goin on here!

http://piratesofrock.com/uploads/squidbillies.jpg

Shik Shik!

[HBox]

What the hell was that crappy casio music?

[AKA]

Matthews

"I am pleasantly surprised."


WAY out of context - that wasn't his point at all.

Although, he did say it was an "appealing presentation."

[dino_electropolis]

Did they just have a black cowboy on stage???/


okayyyyyyyyyyy

[brettmojo]

McCain looks creepy with Palin. its like hunging your great great grandfather
She looks like the nurse that should be stealing McCain's money while he's at the old folks home.

[JerseySean]

Did they just have a black cowboy on stage???/


okayyyyyyyyyyy

Cowboy Troy

[jauble]

What the hell was that crappy casio music?

I believe that was her youngest tickling the ivorys

[TheMojoPin]

As underwhelming and surreal as that speech was, it was exactly what needed to be said for her to skate by. It was basically, "LOOK AT ME AND MY FAMILY! I'M A HARD WORKING MOTHER WITH KIDS! AND ONE OF THEM IS RETARDED!" Nobody can attack that without it blowing up in their faces. This was the national equivalent of an annoying person cornering you and showing you pictures of their kids.

[dino_electropolis]

At least CNN has the dignity to air the National ANthem, while FOX keeps talking about palin's wonderful POISE....

[epo]

And remember, Cindy McCain loves the baby!

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii49/j2christ/trigemmanueldunandafpgetty.jpg

[dino_electropolis]

Cowboy Troy

http://pixelgroovy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/cowboy_curtis.jpg

[JerseySean]

At least CNN has the dignity to air the National ANthem, while FOX keeps talking about palin's wonderful POISE....

MSNBC did the same....Angry Left Guy. That raisin McCain song is God awful but people seem to like it

[Fez4PrezN2008]

Well, it took me two years but I think I finally came up with a successful thread...





Thank god that vagina line didn't wind up as a mod quote

[scottinnj]

And remember, Cindy McCain loves the baby!

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii49/j2christ/trigemmanueldunandafpgetty.jpg

Dude, is that the 17 year old fiancee? They cut his mullet! He's lost his hillbilly powers!

[JerseySean]

Well, it took me two years but I think I finally came up with a successful thread...





Thank god that vagina line didn't wind up as a mod quote

Congrats

[dino_electropolis]

MSNBC did the same....Angry Left Guy. That raisin McCain song is God awful but people seem to like it

....and your point, Blinded Right Sheep?

[AKA]

And remember, Cindy McCain loves the baby!

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii49/j2christ/trigemmanueldunandafpgetty.jpg

http://trinities.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/cooked-baby.jpg

[Ritalin]

Dude, is that the 17 year old fiancee? They cut his mullet! He's lost his hillbilly powers!

Friday would still bang him.

[Tall_James]

I'm totally hot for Cindy McCain. There - I said it.

[brettmojo]

And remember, Cindy McCain loves the baby!

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii49/j2christ/trigemmanueldunandafpgetty.jpg
"Get it away from me."

[AKA]

Dude, is that the 17 year old fiancee? They cut his mullet! He's lost his hillbilly powers!

I think that's her brother whose going to Iraq ON 9/11!

[JerseySean]

I'm totally hot for Cindy McCain. There - I said it.

You know Johnny Mac is gonna try to get her and Sarah together

[GreatAmericanZero]

You guys are all looking at this through incredibly jaded eyes with no understanding of how that will be perceived by the average voter. She proved herself to be tough, American dream, 21st century woman. It wasnt an earth shattering speech, but it was good, not great. Solid start for her

i dont understand why we should care about how others perceive stuff. I'm only in this for me.


And I can make fun of the "Fargo Accent" chick on a messageboard for a radio show that features edgy humor and laugh

[HBox]

Man these delegate interviews from the floor are useless. Some dumb old lady just said she liked Palin because "She's an American for America."

And yes, I know there were silly "He's the hope and change we need" shit from the DNC.

[Ritalin]

And remember, Cindy McCain loves the baby!

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii49/j2christ/trigemmanueldunandafpgetty.jpg

"Oh, dear, is this yours?"

[scottinnj]

I think that's her brother whose going to Iraq ON 9/11!

Godspeed to him. I've got nothing but love for these boys and girls going over there.

Be safe kid, come home.

[epo]

Dude, is that the 17 year old fiancee? They cut his mullet! He's lost his hillbilly powers!

So weak now...can't get to my El Camino.....

[dino_electropolis]

You know Johnny Mac is gonna try to get her and Sarah together

to do what? change his diapers?

[HBox]

http://trinities.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/cooked-baby.jpg

Now I'm starving.

[jauble]

"Oh, dear, is this yours?"

or "this one isnt done you might want to put it back in until its done cooking"

[dino_electropolis]

or "this one isnt done you might want to put it back in until its done cooking"

HA

[scottinnj]

I'm totally hot for Cindy McCain. There - I said it.

You know Johnny Mac is gonna try to get her and Sarah together

We're gonna need a lot of cigars for the White House then.

[brettmojo]

You guys are all looking at this through incredibly jaded eyes with no understanding of how that will be perceived by the average voter.
The average voter didn't perceive that speech at all. The average voter will be voting in November because it'll give them an excuse to leave work early.

[tele7]

Now I'm starving.

not good!!!

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k250/misled1/superstar.jpg

[jauble]

to do what? change his diapers?

wait...hes an old guy?

[scottinnj]

So weak now...can't get to my El Camino.....

Must....reload......shotgun......

[jauble]

or "this one isnt done you might want to put it back in until its done cooking"

of course I think they said the same thing about anne frank

[dino_electropolis]

wait...hes an old guy?

No, good sir, mavericks are ageless.

[JerseySean]

We're gonna need a lot of cigars for the White House then.

Johnny Mac is old school he does em like Fredo with cocktail witresses

[FunkyDrummer]

of course I think they said the same thing about anne frank

Boo!!!!!!!!!
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f361/jadebojkovic/angryJew.jpg

[razorboy]

Must....reload......shotgun......

"Mistakenly"... aim... at... Harry Whittington's... face...

[IamPixie]

"USA" chants and cowboys hats?

[tele7]

No, good sir, mavericks are ageless.

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/6486-1977-Ford-Maverick.jpg

[dino_electropolis]

Fox News is pushing this "A Star had been Born" nonsense.....


so sad.

[epo]

Here's a question: If McCain is so damned strong, then why is he using a newbie to try to steal the "change" theme from the Obama campaign?

[tele7]

All networks are singing her praises

[JerseySean]

Fox News is pushing this "A Star had been Born" nonsense.....


so sad.

ABC did the same as well as CBS. MSNBC is giving her praise. Face it guys, she did well tonight.

[dino_electropolis]

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/6486-1977-Ford-Maverick.jpg

i love it...my mom had one of those about 20 years ago....we fit about 3 adults and 8 kids in it on a trip to great adventure, before those damn liberals started makin crazy laws about seatbelts and what not.

[JerseySean]

Here's a question: If McCain is so damned strong, then why is he using a newbie to try to steal the "change" theme from the Obama campaign?

I doubt he was gonna talk Meg Whitman into the threesome with Cindy, nor would he want to. Look at the list,

Kay Bailey Hutchison
Carly Fiorina
etc. Whod you rather fuck with your wife?

[jauble]

i love it...my mom had one of those about 20 years ago....we fit about 3 adults and 8 kids in it on a trip to great adventure, before those damn liberals started makin crazy laws about seatbelts and what not.

Rorschacts!

[dino_electropolis]

ABC did the same as well as CBS. MSNBC is giving her praise. Face it guys, she did well tonight.

Because ABC and MSNBC say so?


Well, at least we know what forms the basis of your learned opinions.

[Friday]

Friday would still bang him.

oh he hockey boy is delicious... indeed.... mhm........

but he would have to accept sloppy seconds behind Bo Biden :wink:

[Tenbatsuzen]

JerseySean:

I don't mind your constant pumping up of Palin at this point because I excel at sectioning off and containing pain, but please stop referring to her as a "21st Century Woman" because SHE IS NOT.

[Friday]

JerseySean:

I don't mind your constant pumping up of Palin at this point because I excel at sectioning off and containing pain, but please stop referring to her as a "21st Century Woman" because SHE IS NOT.

qfmft.

she is a 19th century.... and maybe early 20th century woman, at best.

[JerseySean]

Because ABC and MSNBC say so?


Well, at least we know what forms the basis of your learned opinions.

No dude you were critisizing fox for doing it.

[JerseySean]

qfmft.

she is a 19th century.... and maybe early 20th century woman, at best.

Mother of 5, Business Owner, HOckey Mom, PTA Mom, Mayor Governor and now Vice Presidential candidate. Yea thats not the American dream for all women

[epo]

qfmft.

she is a 19th century.... and maybe early 20th century woman, at best.

Are you saying that Wasilla isn't up with the times?

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii49/j2christ/319098225_e3fb99541f.jpg

[jonyrotn]

Yooooooo!
I don't know if any of you white surpremisists broached this subject but THIS BITCH COULD GET IT!!

I'm not sure but I think it might be and odd combination of the limitless power that her filthy political beliefs have awarded her and her mini van..

The last V.P. that gave me any movement was Victoria Principal..
or was it Vincent Price? Come on! In that cave on Hawaii? :unsure:

[Tall_James]

Are you saying that Wasilla isn't up with the times?

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii49/j2christ/319098225_e3fb99541f.jpg

That looks like a renovated drive-thru fast food joint.

[epo]

That looks like a renovated drive-thru fast food joint.

I wonder if they sell slushies by the bait?

[HBox]

That looks like a renovated drive-thru fast food joint.

James Carville had the best comment: "It looks like a bait shop."

[Tenbatsuzen]

Mother of 5, Business Owner, HOckey Mom, PTA Mom, Mayor Governor and now Vice Presidential candidate. Yea thats not the American dream for all women

4 1/2, really.


You're not getting what I'm saying. Her ideas are OUTDATED. Her principles are based on religion and the 50's mindset. SHE'S NOT A 21st CENTURY WOMAN.

The very party she stands for is CONSERVATIVE. The party she is going against is PROGRESSIVE. See the issue?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I wonder if they sell slushies by the bait?

starving. Hey Hbox, we got any bait slushies back there?


oh wait, is that Hockeyboy's pet name for Bristol?

[dino_electropolis]

4 1/2, really.


You're not getting what I'm saying. Her ideas are OUTDATED. Her principles are based on religion and the 50's mindset. SHE'S NOT A 21st CENTURY WOMAN.

The very party she stands for is CONSERVATIVE. The party she is going against is PROGRESSIVE. See the issue?

She is not a 21st Century Woman......she's a 20th Century Fox - j.morrison.

[Tenbatsuzen]

She is not a 21st Century Woman......she's a 20th Century Fox - j.morrison.

Well she was fashionably late... (five times)

[Caseyelan]

You know who else is from Wasilla?

April Flowers, female porn star and adult model.
http://photos.freeones.com/a_babes/April_Flowers_001/images/april02.jpg


This is the ONLY PG-13 pic I could find.


FILTHY!

[Fez4PrezN2008]

bait slushies...oh wait, is that Hockeyboy's pet name for Bristol?
:lol::lol::thumbup::clap:

Good one !

[Tall_James]

You know who else is from Wasilla?

April Flowers, female porn star and adult model.
http://photos.freeones.com/a_babes/April_Flowers_001/images/april02.jpg


This is the ONLY PG-13 pic I could find.


FILTHY!

Found this one...took a while

http://pornstarupdates.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/april_summers01.jpg

[dino_electropolis]

You know who else is from Wasilla?

April Flowers, female porn star and adult model.
http://photos.freeones.com/a_babes/April_Flowers_001/images/april02.jpg


This is the ONLY PG-13 pic I could find.


FILTHY!

Boooo to g- rated pics of porn stars!

Motherhood has made you.....classy. :nono:

[epo]

Found this one...took a while

http://pornstarupdates.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/april_summers01.jpg

Nice girl.....nice family!

[JerseySean]

4 1/2, really.


You're not getting what I'm saying. Her ideas are OUTDATED. Her principles are based on religion and the 50's mindset. SHE'S NOT A 21st CENTURY WOMAN.

The very party she stands for is CONSERVATIVE. The party she is going against is PROGRESSIVE. See the issue?

No its a liberal party. Who says it you? Because she doesnt beleive in abortion, stop it

[epo]

No its a liberal party. Who says it you? Because she doesnt beleive in abortion, stop it

So the Republican Party is liberal?

[JerseySean]

So the Republican Party is liberal?

Dems are liberal as opposed to progressive. Progressive is a bullshit code word because liberal doesnt poll well

[Tall_James]

So the Republican Party is liberal?

They're the party of Lincoln!

[epo]

Dems are liberal as opposed to progressive. Progressive is a bullshit code word because liberal doesnt poll well

To be technical we democrats are liberal minded with a progressive agenda.

[Tall_James]

To be technical we democrats are liberal minded with a progressive agenda...

...that smell like patchouli.

[JerseySean]

To be technical we democrats are liberal minded with a progressive agenda.

What makes it progressive?

[epo]

They're the party of Lincoln!

Which is the funniest lie ever. The "accidentally" forget the fact that the Democratic & Republican parties made that early heel/face double turn after the start of the 20th century.

[Friday]

Mother of 5, Business Owner, HOckey Mom, PTA Mom, Mayor Governor and now Vice Presidential candidate. Yea thats not the American dream for all women

the republican party is NOT liberal.
the qualities above make her a decent mom but a world leader?

unfortunately the blogoshpere has some control here... it being the 21st century and all.

i can't wait for the debates... and i hope Biden goes for her like a wildcat.
if he backs off..... then i will be very disappointed.

[KnoxHarrington]

So the Republican Party is liberal?

Honestly, to show how fucked up our political terminology has become, I'd argue that the "religious right" is far more traditionally "liberal" than even a lot of the Democratic Party now. They view government as a tool to use to effect social change. That's almost a textbook definition of "liberalism", when you think about it. Now, the social change they want is not social equality, and certainly not income/wealth distribution; it's moral change. Government should be an agent of morality.

But it's definitely a big, activist government.

This is why I think that if the Libertarian Party could ever get its shit together, and stop nominating nuts like Bob Barr and get a workable platform instead of rehashed Ayn Rand claptrap (stop thinking you can kill government in one stroke, boys; we need to curb corporate power, because killing the government just gives corporations total, unchecked power over us), it could be a real force. Because I think a lot of Republicans are actually Libertarians, they just don't know it yet.

[epo]

What makes it progressive?

The whole forward thinking platform. You know...unlike the conservative agenda which wants Blowhard's neighborhood to be like it was in 1955.

[Caseyelan]

Love me some of these cookies.

http://www.virginiahockey.net/imglib/HockeyMom-servinghardcookies.jpg





ew.

ew.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

[JerseySean]

The whole forward thinking platform. You know...unlike the conservative agenda which wants Blowhard's neighborhood to be like it was in 1955.

Im serious what makes liberal, progressive?

[Tall_James]

Im serious what makes liberal, progressive?

Their auto insurance?

http://i.cnn.net/money/galleries/2007/fortune/0705/gallery.great_for_new_grads.fortune/images/progressive_insurance.jpg

[Drunky McBetidont]

ramone, get sarah palin a retroactive abortion for her downs syndrome baby. ramone, find that bitch a new hair stylist that doesn't hate her. ramone, tell sarah palin that her blouse was on backwards. ramone, tell john mccain that his mother looks older than an aztec pyramid.

[Friday]

Love me some of these cookies.

http://www.virginiahockey.net/imglib/HockeyMom-servinghardcookies.jpg





ew.

ew.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

i make my Obama cookies soft and delicious.

oooh Election night cookies.
I am ON IT.

[epo]

Im serious what makes liberal, progressive?

As a moderator once said, I'll deal with you in the morning.

You're the best Mikeyboy!

[scottinnj]

Are you saying that Wasilla isn't up with the times?

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii49/j2christ/319098225_e3fb99541f.jpg

That looks like a renovated drive-thru fast food joint.

Yes, YES!!!!! Look to the left of the building...it's a fucking "PICK UP YOUR FOOD HERE" WINDOW!

10 bucks it's a closed KFC restaraunt.

[jauble]

Nice girl.....nice family!

She's an eskimo!

[KnoxHarrington]

As a moderator once said, I'll deal with you in the morning.

You're the best Mikeyboy!

FUCK THAT, YOU DEAL WITH ME NOW

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Tenbatsuzen]

Can someone explain to me how being a hockey mom and a PTA mom makes you a 21st century woman? You take an interest in your child's activities. Good. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO! /chris rock

[Drunky McBetidont]

Yes, YES!!!!! Look to the left of the building...it's a fucking "PICK UP YOUR FOOD HERE" WINDOW!

10 bucks it's a closed KFC restaraunt.

i thought it was drive-thru gun permit window?

[Tall_James]

She's an eskimo!

An Eskimo is fishing through a hole in the ice. He sits by the hole with his fishing rod for over an hour, with no luck.
After another hour, a huge booming voice calls down to him.

"THERE ARE NO FISH UNDER THE ICE."

The eskimo ignores this voice and carries on fishing. After a five minutes he hears the voice again saying;

"THERE ARE NO FISH UNDER THE ICE!"

The eskimo looks around but can not see the source of the sound. He shouts,
"Is that the voice of the lord?"
The voice replies,

"NO, THIS IS THE VOICE OF THE ICE RINK MANAGER."

[Tenbatsuzen]

Obama cookies




http://blogs.menupages.com/sanfrancisco/lack-white.gif

[Drunky McBetidont]

at least tenbats stayed away from the brazil nut joke.

[NewYorkDragons80]

This is why I think that if the Libertarian Party could ever get its shit together, and stop nominating nuts like Bob Barr and get a workable platform instead of rehashed Ayn Rand claptrap (stop thinking you can kill government in one stroke, boys; we need to curb corporate power, because killing the government just gives corporations total, unchecked power over us), it could be a real force. Because I think a lot of Republicans are actually Libertarians, they just don't know it yet.
They have the same problem that Reaganomics conservatives have. Their answer to EVERYTHING is small government, privatization, and tax cuts. Well we tested out a shitload of failed and impossible libertarian policies in Iraq that didn't work here, and the result was predictable: Big Business is just as bad as Big Government. Sometimes government IS the solution. That's what the libertarians will never get.

[JerseySean]

As a moderator once said, I'll deal with you in the morning.

You're the best Mikeyboy!

NO YOU DEAL WITH ME NOW!

[Friday]

http://blogs.menupages.com/sanfrancisco/lack-white.gif

omg my FAVORITE!!

i am so making these for election night! i may have a partee!

[IMSlacker]

So the Republican Party is liberal?

Well, has the government gotten larger or smaller since Bush took office?

[JerseySean]

They have the same problem that Reaganomics conservatives have. Their answer to EVERYTHING is small government, privatization, and tax cuts. Well we tested out a shitload of failed and impossible libertarian policies in Iraq that didn't work here, and the result was predictable: Big Business is just as bad as Big Government. Sometimes government IS the solution. That's what the libertarians will never get.

BIngo!

[HBox]

They have the same problem that Reaganomics conservatives have. Their answer to EVERYTHING is small government, privatization, and tax cuts. Well we tested out a shitload of failed and impossible libertarian policies in Iraq that didn't work here, and the result was predictable: Big Business is just as bad as Big Government. Sometimes government IS the solution. That's what the libertarians will never get.

Exactly my thoughts. EXACTLY.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

Can we please end this thread with the dignity that it deserves?



Yes, bring on the lolcats
http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/political-pictures-john-mccain-george-bush-downloading-failed-policies.jpg

[NewYorkDragons80]

As a moderator once said, I'll deal with you in the morning.

You're the best Mikeyboy!
Fuck that shit, you deal with him now.

In all seriousness, Republicans are the party of TR and they let the term "Progressive" go without a fight. The moderate wing needs to put up a fight and show that progressive isn't just a term for Columbia students who don't want Coca Cola on campus.

[jauble]

http://blogs.menupages.com/sanfrancisco/lack-white.gif

If those are obama cookies I present you the mccain cookie

http://photos22.flickr.com/26738293_008dea8cd1.jpg

[NewYorkDragons80]

Exactly my thoughts. EXACTLY.
http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/features/articles/cc.jpg
Crunchy Cons (http://www.amazon.com/Crunchy-Cons-Birkenstocked-evangelical-homeschooling/dp/1400050642)

[Phil_Nubbs]

3-1 the middle daughter is knocked up by November... Takers?

On the bet...


or doing the job?

[JerseySean]

Fuck that shit, you deal with him now.

In all seriousness, Republicans are the party of TR and they let the term "Progressive" go without a fight. The moderate wing needs to put up a fight and show that progressive isn't just a term for Columbia students who don't want Coca Cola on campus.

There is a moderate wing and I am a part of it. But here's the deal, the conservatives take out the moderates in primaries. Look at Gihlcrest in MD this year. Now we lose the seat.

[Drunky McBetidont]

crunchy cons remind me of

http://www.palmspringslife.com/media/galleries/psl/Mar07/feature/mar7.jpg

[jauble]

Did anyone get the cookie joke or am I the strikeout king tonight?

[robot artist]

Did anyone get the cookie joke or am I the strikeout king tonight?

...made me laugh!

[scottinnj]

i thought it was drive-thru gun permit window?

Genius.:thumbup:

[sailor]

that was an amazing a speech. for any of you to say otherwise shows your hypocrisy knows no bounds. if biden delivered a speech like that, you'd be cleaning your pants right about now.

[HBox]

that was an amazing a speech. for any of you to say otherwise shows your hypocrisy knows no bounds. if biden delivered a speech like that, you'd be cleaning your pants right about now.

Take it easy champ. Why don't you sit this next one out, stop posting for a while.

[sailor]

Take it easy champ. Why don't you sit this next one out, stop posting for a while.

love that movie. doesn't change the fact it was great speech.

[K.C.]

Saw this on Andrew Sullivan's blog and it made me loff

The Weirdest Speech Of The Night
04 Sep 2008 12:58 am

Romney's.

I think David Brooks on PBS called it "borderline insane." Megan has a great line:

"Mitt Romney seems to use the word "liberal" in a randomly pejorative fashion. I half expect him to say "I was eating breakfast this morning, and my hash browns were all liberal. I sent them back and told the waitress to bring me some good, conservative hash browns.""

It was random and moronic.

Agreed. I thought Romney was completely off his rocker. And in addition to that observation, he kept screaming about the need for change as if the Republicans didn't control the Presidency, the Congress, the majority of the Governorships, and the Courts for a large portion of Bush's presidency.

So...I guess he was insulting his party's leadership??

[ChrisTheCop]

I may be biased against Rudy, but he didnt seem very polished.
He had some good zingers, but although the pundits said he was the bulldog the Repubs needed, I think he fell short. You'd think he had never spoken in public before, at times. I listened to these speeches on radio, so maybe I was missing his funny faces, or puppet show?

The surprise of the night for me was Governor Palin. She started off weak, but still just a little stronger than Rudy (maybe Rudy was bad on purpose for this reason?). And she gradually showed strength, made some good jokes without being too hurtful, basically showed that she can at least play the part of someone who belongs in all this.

I think they made the point this evening that the republicans are just as interesting as the democrats.... but I'm still undecided. I know watching McCain tomorrow will sway me toward his side; Ive always enjoyed his speeches. Problem is, I get the same feeling after a McCain speech that I do after Obama speeches.

[HBox]

love that movie. doesn't change the fact it was great speech.

That's your opinion. Mine is that it was an almost issue-free snotty tantrum sprinkled with a few outright lies delivered in a stunted, almost condescending fashion.

I'm the last person who it was aimed at so in the end it doesn't matter what I think.

[K.C.]

I may be biased against Rudy, but he didnt seem very polished.
He had some good zingers, but although the pundits said he was the bulldog the Repubs needed, I think he fell short. You'd think he had never spoken in public before, at times. I listened to these speeches on radio, so maybe I was missing his funny faces, or puppet show?


Rudy's speech was weird on several levels

First, Rudy is suppose to the be the ultimate centrist of the Republican Party, yet he gave a ridiculously conservative speech, that was designed to fire up the Republican base.

Ultimately, I think he did that, but it was kind of surreal to hear Rudy mocking Obama for being too high brow when he was the mayor of fucking New York City.


I think it was good for its goal, but the fact that they gave him the goal of the 'red meat, fire up the base' guy was odd.

I would think you'd want Rudy as the guy that pitches McCain as the centrist.

[TheMojoPin]

that was an amazing a speech. for any of you to say otherwise shows your hypocrisy knows no bounds. if biden delivered a speech like that, you'd be cleaning your pants right about now.

Yeah, because I would have shit them out of uncontrolable terror/anger.

[JerseySean]

That's your opinion. Mine is that it was an almost issue-free snotty tantrum sprinkled with a few outright lies delivered in a stunted, almost condescending fashion.

I'm the last person who it was aimed at so in the end it doesn't matter what I think.

Yea but as someone who understands the pulse of people a little better, I can confirm, it was effective

[TheMojoPin]

Yea but as someone who understands the pulse of people a little better, I can confirm, it was effective

LULZ WHUT

[JerseySean]

Yeah, because I would have shit them out of uncontrolable terror/anger.

Post of the Day

[K.C.]

LULZ WHUT

x2

Just as puzzling as the 'most Americans are in line with Sarah Palin's view' comment from last night.

[JerseySean]

x2

Just as puzzling as the 'most Americans are in line with Sarah Palin's view' comment from last night.

You dont think that speech was effective?

[K.C.]

You dont think that speech was effective?

Palin's speech?

Effective to the base, absolutely.

Not sure it'll appeal to the Independents and Hillary supporters. And that's really what McCain needs.

[JerseySean]

Palin's speech?

Effective to the base, absolutely.

Not sure it'll appeal to the Independents and Hillary supporters. And that's really what McCain needs.

It was effective. I was watching with my chick. She is a casual voter, voted for Kerry in the last election. She hates Bush. she is a member of the teachers union. She was impressed and loves Palin. Palin made up her mind to vote for McCain/Palin. She was gonna vote for Obama....lets see if it holds. Otherwise, I think youll see the Gallup trackin at 46 Obama, 44 McCain tomorrow morning

[ChrisTheCop]

Ultimately, I think he did that, but it was kind of surreal to hear Rudy mocking Obama for being too high brow when he was the mayor of fucking New York City.


Oddly enough, I thought that was one of his better mocks.
Playing on the republican feeling that Obama is an elitist, Who better than the mayor of NYC to put on that voice and say, "sorry we're not cosmopolitan enough for you."

Now the dems have to get an nypd cop or firefighter to say, "sorry rudy if we're not 9-11-y enough for you"...no they dont, but it would be like that.

[K.C.]

It was effective. I was watching with my chick. She is a casual voter, voted for Kerry in the last election. She hates Bush. she is a member of the teachers union. She was impressed and loves Palin. Palin made up her mind to vote for McCain/Palin. She was gonna vote for Obama....lets see if it holds. Otherwise, I think youll see the Gallup trackin at 46 Obama, 44 McCain tomorrow morning

I don't think she'll hold up to the scrutiny for independents in the long run.

She'll play well with the base. She may connect with a minority of independent women who like her story.

She didn't really address any of her policy points or political beliefs tonight. She spent the first half of the speech telling her family story, and the second half attacking Obama.

When her ideals start to trickle out, people will find them very conservative...probably a bit too conservative for most independents.

I would think, though, that McCain should get something of a bounce out of this convention, so tightening back up to where things were before the DNC seems about right in terms of polls.

But this thing isn't going to move mountains as the spin after this would have you belief.


It's good for her, in that it caps what was essentially a week of pretty bad press, and kind of clears the air on that a little, but again, I have to see what happens when people become exposed to what she stands for.

[K.C.]

Also, we've all been swept away in this Palin talk, because it's been a fantastic rollercoaster to watch.


In the end, it's going to come down to McCain.

I think Palin could assist in losing it for McCain, just like Biden could for Obama. I think Palin can be an asset with certain demographics, like Biden.


But in the end, it's still Obama vs. McCain.

Last poll I saw on VPs, something like 90% of people don't even take the VP into consideration when voting (which explains Cheney).

[HBox]

The Gallup daily tracking poll is a composite of the last 3 days. So tomorrow's polls will include Monday and Tuesday and what it will include from Wednesday will have very few people to nobody who saw Palin's speech.

If it gets to 46-44 you can thank Joe Lieberman and Fred Thompson.

[K.C.]

Oddly enough, I thought that was one of his better mocks.
Playing on the republican feeling that Obama is an elitist, Who better than the mayor of NYC to put on that voice and say, "sorry we're not cosmopolitan enough for you."

Now the dems have to get an nypd cop or firefighter to say, "sorry rudy if we're not 9-11-y enough for you"...no they dont, but it would be like that.

It was certainly what the base wanted.

Just seemed a weird role for him, to me, when he used to have so much independent credibility.

[ChrisTheCop]

It was certainly what the base wanted.

Just seemed a weird role for him, to me, when he used to have so much independent credibility.

Judith Nathan sucked all that out of him one night in the back room at Elaine's.



Also, heard backstage earlier tonight:

"Okay Mr Mayor it's 9 pm, time to go on."
"Can we jutht wait eleven more minutsth?"

[JerseySean]

It was certainly what the base wanted.

Just seemed a weird role for him, to me, when he used to have so much independent credibility.

Hey guys, go back and watch his 04 speech, It may have been tougher.

[K.C.]

Hey guys, go back and watch his 04 speech, It may have been tougher.

I don't really remember it, but I tend not to think he was lambasting Kerry (which he actually probably could have) as preferring things 'too cosmopolitan' which is just weird.


I do remember him being exactly as apocalyptic on National Security, though, although he probably mention 9/11 around 64 times in the '04 speech, where I think he only mentioned it twice tonight.

But he's been in that kill-crazy maniac mode since 9/11.



The cosmopolitan, cultural conservatism stuff was what made that speech tonight weird, I thought.

[K.C.]

Judith Nathan sucked all that out of him one night in the back room at Elaine's.



Also, heard backstage earlier tonight:

"Okay Mr Mayor it's 9 pm, time to go on."
"Can we jutht wait eleven more minutsth?"

:lol:

Follow by a 'wath ouwt fhr my prostate, Jutht.'

[JerseySean]

I don't really remember it, but I tend not to think he was lambasting Kerry (which he actually probably could have) as preferring things 'too cosmopolitan' which is just weird.


I do remember him being exactly as apocalyptic on National Security, though, although he probably mention 9/11 around 64 times in the '04 speech, where I think he only mentioned it twice tonight.

But he's been in that kill-crazy maniac mode since 9/11.



The cosmopolitan, cultural conservatism stuff was what made that speech tonight weird, I thought.

Yea but I think it worked tonight. We will see but I think its a net positive. I would say more effective to independants than Bill or Hillarys from last week.

[landarch]

And remember, Cindy McCain loves the baby!

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii49/j2christ/trigemmanueldunandafpgetty.jpg


Somebody's gonna have to love that baby, cause mama sure won't have the time.

She'll just be sworn in about the time her daughter's kid is due also.

"Sorry honey, mommy's too busy to help you give birth. I have a country to ruin. See you in eight years"

[foodcourtdruide]

Yea but I think it worked tonight. We will see but I think its a net positive. I would say more effective to independants than Bill or Hillarys from last week.

I don't mean to bash you, but is there ANY instance where you think the democrats did better than the republicans? You can't honestly think that Rudy's typical "lets go after Islam!" rah rah speech had more of an effecft on independent voters than Hillary's call to rally around Obama.

[yojimbo7248]

I don't mean to bash you, but is there ANY instance where you think the democrats did better than the republicans? You can't honestly think that Rudy's typical "lets go after Islam!" rah rah speech had more of an effecft on independent voters than Hillary's call to rally around Obama.

When I hear everyone raving about Palin's speech and what a good choice she turned out to be, I feel that I just don't get today's Republicans. I miss the old Wall Street/free trade Republicans with their small government and allowing the market to run without much interference. These new evangelical, social conservatives scare the hell out of me. I guess I just don't get the whole religious thing. Are we seriously thinking about putting a VP in office who wants to put Creationism in our science classes? I cringe when they talk about Islam and supporting Israel because I know they are thinking of Armegeddon and fulfilling god's plans for the end of the world. I don't even want to know what she believes about gays, people of other religions being sent to hell, exorcism, etc.
I think we as a country go overboard in respecting religious beliefs. Much of what Palin believes, and Bush as well, is batshit crazy and dangerous. They should feel free to believe whatever they want in the privacy of their own nutty communities but they shouldn't be running our country.

[angrymissy]

It made me dislike her even more.

[angrymissy]

Love me some of these cookies.

http://www.virginiahockey.net/imglib/HockeyMom-servinghardcookies.jpg





ew.

ew.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

HEY!

Do you know the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull?

LIPSTICK!!

LOLROTFLZSDLAFKFJ YOU GO GIRL!

[Tall_James]

HEY!

Do you know the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull?

LIPSTICK!!

LOLROTFLZSDLAFKFJ YOU GO GIRL!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c174/cheeseeatingbird/800px-Pit_Bull_Terrier_jaw.jpg

[yojimbo7248]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c174/cheeseeatingbird/800px-Pit_Bull_Terrier_jaw.jpg

Exellent.

[Drunky McBetidont]

o&a pointed out how surreal that a kid that knocked up her daughter is now standing on stage with the republican guard.
strange days my friends, strange days indeed.

[Reephdweller]

http://alaskareport.com/images78/sarah_palin.jpg

I'd fuck her.

[yojimbo7248]

o&a pointed out how surreal that a kid that knocked up her daughter is now standing on stage with the republican guard.
strange days my friends, strange days indeed.

Was it ever surreal. Was it my imagination or did McCain move a bit more quickly by him than the other family members? He must be pissed as hell that this idiot redneck is going to be married to the daughter of his VP. I wish i had seen his myspace page before the party operatives took it down.

[ChrisTheCop]

o&a pointed out how surreal that a kid that knocked up her daughter is now standing on stage with the republican guard.
strange days my friends, strange days indeed.

Strange we can believe in!




(At least with strange, there's proof.)

[ChrisTheCop]

http://alaskareport.com/images78/sarah_palin.jpg

I'd fuck her.

Over Biden??? hmm... tough one.

[Kevin]

Somebody's gonna have to love that baby, cause mama sure won't have the time.

She'll just be sworn in about the time her daughter's kid is due also.

"Sorry honey, mommy's too busy to help you give birth. I have a country to ruin. See you in eight years"

Sworn into the Hockey Mom HOF.. But that is about it.

[razorboy]

http://alaskareport.com/images78/sarah_palin.jpg

I'd fuck her.

That's one manly jaw.

[K.C.]

The Gallup daily tracking poll is a composite of the last 3 days. So tomorrow's polls will include Monday and Tuesday and what it will include from Wednesday will have very few people to nobody who saw Palin's speech.

If it gets to 46-44 you can thank Joe Lieberman and Fred Thompson.

Obama 49, McCain 42 today, so no real change since the start of the Republican convention.

You'd have to wait until Sunday to get three days of polling after this speech to see if it has ANY effect.

[Kevin]

Obama 49, McCain 42 today, so no real change since the start of the Republican convention.

You'd have to wait until Sunday to get three days of polling after this speech to see if it has ANY effect.

1% change..


McCain IS COMING BACK LIKE THE YANKEES!

[foodcourtdruide]

Obama 49, McCain 42 today, so no real change since the start of the Republican convention.

You'd have to wait until Sunday to get three days of polling after this speech to see if it has ANY effect.

It's hard to tell what these make-believe polls will say.

[angrymissy]

I like Graphs:

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/080904DailyUpdateGraph1_tyhnmbv.gif

Tomorrow's poll will reflect the Palin speech.

[epo]

I like Graphs:

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/080904DailyUpdateGraph1_tyhnmbv.gif

Tomorrow's poll will reflect the Palin speech.

That poll includes Lieberman's speech. It looks like the McCain campaign has "Joe-mentum"!

[IMSlacker]

Lieberman LOVES Obama!

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[A.J.]

Lieberman LOVES Obama!

There's little room in Lieberman's heart for anyone but Lieberman.

[yojimbo7248]

There's little room in Lieberman's heart for anyone but Lieberman.

Lieberman has one issue - beating up on Muslims. He will ally himself with anyone who wants to bomb Tehran.

[FunkyDrummer]

Palin's speech to nowhere (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Sad.html)

Palin's speech to nowhere

Sarah Palin delivered a great speech tonight -- for her party, for John McCain, for herself, for what she set out to accomplish. This was America's first real glimpse at the Alaska governor, and what we saw was a boffo politician who speaks in a plaintive prairie voice that channels America's Heartland like a chilling breeze rippling a field of wheat, who knows how to tell a joke, how to bring down the house and bring a tear to a few eyes. She is proud of her family, as she should be, and there is much to admire in her own "personal journey of discovery" (don't we all have these, by the way?) including her efforts to raise her son Trig. It is indeed nice to think that there would be an advocate for such children inside the corridors of the White House, although I'd surely like to hear what -- if anything -- she's done for special needs kids as governor of Alaska.

But...it was a great speech -- written for someone else, a male in fact, days before the Palin selection was even a gleam in John McCain's eye, but a great speech nonetheless. The pundits are fawning over it as I write this -- Tom Brokaw said she could not have been "more winning and more engaging" -- and in a world that is dominated by horse race journalism I can understand why, because I agree that Palin's one-of-a-kind story has given her long shot running mate a decent chance now of pulling this one out at the finish line.

It's a good metaphor, a horse race, because in the end it finishes right near where it started -- just as it will be for America if John McCain and Sarah Palin are sworn in on Jan. 20, 2009. Yes, it was a great speech politically, and a great night for her family, but an empty speech for America -- and for America's families. It was defined by its lowest moment, Palin's shameless lie about "the Bridge to Nowhere."

This was a Speech to Nowhere.

It was a Speech to Nowhere when Palin said that "I told the Congress 'Thanks but no thanks' on that Bridge to Nowhere, because that was a lie, and the worst kind of lie in American politics, a blatant falsehood that showed utter contempt for the American people that Palin pledged to serve, assuming we are too stupid to look up or know that truth, that she pushed for those funds in Congress and while she got great political mileage out of announcing that she was killing the project, she still has not returned the funds to American people.

It was a Speech to Nowhere because Palin also boasted seconds before that other lie of fighting against wasteful earmarks in Congress, even though she pushed for and accepted $27 million of such grants when she was mayor of Wasilla.

It was a Speech to Nowhere because Palin said that "we've got lots" of oil and gas this country, and while one supposes that all depends upon what you definition of the words "lots" is, the production of oil in the United States has been irrevocably on the decline since 1970, and with her words she showed this nation that she and John McCain will perpetrate the dangerous myths that began with Ronald Reagan at his acceptance speech in 1980, that sunny optimism is the solution to all our energy woes, and not a posture that put energy research on a war footing, or requires moral leadership on conservation, mass transit, or any other common sense answers whatsoever.

It was a Speech to Nowhere because Palin boasted that "I stood up to the special interests, and the lobbyists, and the Big Oil companies," and the audience cheered -- after eight brutal years of the same crowd's cheering for two oilmen in the White House who fiddled while $4-a-gallon gas burned and while American men and women died in a needless war fought on top of an oilfield, and while lobbyist friends like Jack Abramoff and Ralph Reed got rich at the same time.

It was a Speech to Nowhere because Palin had the nerve to talk at length about John McCain's "torturous interrogations" in the very same speech when she all but condoned the continuation of similar, abhorrent practices that have been directed for eight years by our own U.S. leaders, when she stated that Democrats are "worried that someone won't read them [terrorism suspects] their rights."

It was a Speech to Nowhere because Palin belittled "community organizers" -- thousands of Americans who work long hours for little pay in some of the toughest neighborhoods, trying to assist the American Dream that even the poorest among us can pull themselves out of the muck with a helping hand. Palin and other GOP speakers have turned a noble job into a dirty word tonight -- shame on you! Listen to what CNN's Roland Martin said after Palin's speech was over.

My two parents are sitting home in Houston, Texas and they are both community organizers and the GOP and Sarah Palin might have well have said "being community organizers doesn't matter" to my parents face. I'm disgusted. Community organizers keep people in their homes, keep their lights on, keep food in the fridge.

It was a Speech to Nowhere because it made no mention of the men that Sarah Palin and John McCain are running to replace -- their names are Dick Cheney and George W. Bush, in case you've forgotten this week -- and no acknowledgment that as many 80 percent of Americans believe this country is on the wrong track, or that you can't solve a nation's problems when you deny they exist.

It was a Speech to Nowhere because...well, I urge everyone to read the text, without Palin's sharp delivery or her adoring fans in the crowd and in the press box, and tell me where there is any kind of policy at all -- except for the short boilerplate passage on energy -- or any mention of the issues that concern everyday Americans, including the No. 1 issue of the economy. Show me the part where this "grand slam" of speech touches on how citizens can afford health care or sending their kids to college.

But more than anything else, it was a Speech to Nowhere because for all the acclaim, the great bulk of it was devoted to one thing, and that is the one thing that millions of Americans are talking about in 2008 when we talk about "change" -- to the ugliest kind of "pit bull" politics, to use Palin's words, that tear down the other side with cheap ad hominem attacks, surrounded by a cloud of half-truths (uh, those "Greek columns"...did you actually even watch Obama's speech? Because there weren't any) and ridiculous innuendo about "parting the waters" which means nothing but fires up a big hockey rink full of Dittoheads. These kind of vicious attacks -- without having the grace to acknowledge that, despite some real differences on issues with Obama, that he has already accomplished something impressive that says something positive about America and the progress we've made -- were utterly lacking in class. And this is what Tom Brokaw considers "winning" -- have we really sunk that low as a nation?. The people of America want and deserve a real debate, now trash talk from the basketball point guard who was once called "Sarah Barracuda."

I hope America wakes up tomorrow and realizes that Sarah Palin's words were rousing -- and completely empty, that they offered no road map (let alone bridge) for America other than more of the bogus partisan name-calling that has gotten us into the mess that we're in now.

Actually, let me rephrase that.

I hope America wakes up tomorrow.

Posted by Will Bunch @ 2:10 AM

[angrymissy]

There's little room in Lieberman's heart for anyone but Lieberman.

http://www.christmaslibrary.ca/grinch/clipart/heart.gif

[JerseySean]

Lieberman has one issue - beating up on Muslims. He will ally himself with anyone who wants to bomb Tehran.

He is a Democrat who cares about country over party. God forbid.

[Drunky McBetidont]

He is a Democrat who cares about country over party. God forbid.

he is an independent. and he sucks.

[JerseySean]

he is an independent. and he sucks.

He is a registed Democrat, and he ran for VP in 2000. He is an hoinorable man,

37,244,000 WATCHED PALIN SPEECH ... [24,029,000 WATCHED BIDEN; 38,379,000 WATCHED OBAMA]... MORE...

[epo]

He is a registed Democrat, and he ran for VP in 2000. He is an hoinorable man,

37,244,000 WATCHED PALIN SPEECH ... [24,029,000 WATCHED BIDEN; 38,379,000 WATCHED OBAMA]... MORE...

Two things:

1. There are conflicting reports about the Palin speech. From Nielsen's preliminary numbers: (http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/09/palin_beats_hillary_biden_in_b.php)

Alaska governor and vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s speech at the Republican National Convention last night drew more than 12.75 million viewers on the three broadcast networks, beating out the audiences that tuned into the Democratic convention last week to watch Sen. Hillary Clinton and Sen. Joe Biden.

Preliminary national data from Nielsen Media Research shows that’s slightly ahead of the 12.5 million that saw the broadcast coverage of Sen. Clinton’s call for party unity on night 2 of last week’s Democratic gathering and Sen. Joe Biden’s speech accepting the VP nomination for the Democrats on night 3 of their convention last week.

You may wanna slow down on that 37 million number until those numbers are finalized by tomorrow.

2. Joe Lieberman is a douche. I hated him in 2000 and I hate him now.

[epo]

I saw some interesting data about Palin's speech last night in terms of her time usage:


5 minutes directly about herself
10 minutes directly about Senator McCain
25 minutes directly about Senator Obama


Who is this election about again?

[JerseySean]

Two things:

1. There are conflicting reports about the Palin speech. From Nielsen's preliminary numbers: (http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/09/palin_beats_hillary_biden_in_b.php)



You may wanna slow down on that 37 million number until those numbers are finalized by tomorrow.

2. Joe Lieberman is a douche. I hated him in 2000 and I hate him now.

Those were the prelims. These are the finals according to FOX and CNN. http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/09/palin-ratings-s.html

[JerseySean]

I saw some interesting data about Palin's speech last night in terms of her time usage:


5 minutes directly about herself
10 minutes directly about Senator McCain
25 minutes directly about Senator Obama


Who is this election about again?

Its about Obama and how scary he would be as President. Just to clarify

[epo]

Its about Obama and how awesome he would be as President. Just to clarify

Fixed it for ya.

[Don Stugots]

http://alaskareport.com/images78/sarah_palin.jpg

I'd fuck her.

and I would watch.

[Recyclerz]

I saw some interesting data about Palin's speech last night in terms of her time usage:


5 minutes directly about herself
10 minutes directly about Senator McCain
25 minutes directly about Senator Obama


Who is this election about again?

To use the adage that Crazy Rudy was going for last night*:

When the facts are on your side, argue the facts. When the law is on your side, argue the law. And when you don't have either the law or the facts on your side, you pound the table.

Really, what else can the Republican spin doctors do besides yell that McCain is a hero, insinuate that Palin might give us some nip slips and claim that the other guys are ASSHOLES!! ?
McCain, for somebody who has wanted to be President for a long time, is not bringing any new ideas to the table on how to un-Bush the country, just his "I'm familiar so you can trust me" biography.

*I hope that Rudy didn't "change the facts" in his US Attorney days, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[K.C.]

They've already said tonight that McCain is going to argue heavily, in his speech, that change is coming to Washington.

Again...how can you argue change when you've controlled the Presidency, the Congress for six of the last eight years, the majority of the Governorships, and the Courts?

It's just not an argument that's going to work for McCain.

[JerseySean]

They've already said tonight that McCain is going to argue heavily, in his speech, that change is coming to Washington.

Again...how can you argue change when you've controlled the Presidency, the Congress for six of the last eight years, the majority of the Governorships, and the Courts?

It's just not an argument that's going to work for McCain.

McCain has been an outsider even in washington for the last 20 years. People know that. And we dont control the courts. Weve had congress for 4 of the last 8.

[K.C.]

McCain has been an outsider even in washington for the last 20 years. People know that. And we dont control the courts. Weve had congress for 4 of the last 8.

He supports all the Bush economic policies, and the War in Iraq.

His VP pick suggest he supports the Christian Conservative agenda on social issues.

None of that is change, and I'm sorry, but that stuff trumps crossing the isle on things like Campaign Finance Reform.


Obama and Biden will carve him up, if he's really going to run on that.

[JerseySean]

He supports all the Bush economic policies, and the War in Iraq.

His VP pick suggest he supports the Christian Conservative agenda on social issues.

None of that is change, and I'm sorry, but that stuff trumps crossing the isle on things like Campaign Finance Reform.


Obama and Biden will carve him up, if he's really going to run on that.

He has opposed Bush on creating DHS, Tax Cuts and the war. He was Bush's biggest critic on the prosecution of the war.

[Jujubees2]

He has opposed Bush on creating DHS, Tax Cuts and the war. He was Bush's biggest critic on the prosecution of the war.


Yeah, but now he's for extending the Bush tax cuts.

[JerseySean]

Yeah, but now he's for extending the Bush tax cuts.

Yes because increasing taxes in a bad economy will make the problem worse. The reason we lose so many jobs overseas is because our corperate tax rate is the 2nd highest in the world.

[K.C.]

He has opposed Bush on creating DHS, Tax Cuts and the war. He was Bush's biggest critic on the prosecution of the war.

I have heard McCain say at least 836 times that he supports the Bush tax cuts during this campaign.

So either he's changed his mind, or he's lying to get elected.

And as far as Homeland Security goes, he had the former head on his short list of people for VP.


I do agree that he was critical of the prosecution of the war, but it's a very tough sell to tell a country that, in terms of opinion, is in large numbers against the war, that the problem is in the management.

That's something you can sell to Republicans, because I think a majority still support the war, but not to Independents and Democrats.

[DolaMight]

and I would watch.

me too. let me watch.

[yojimbo7248]

He has opposed Bush on creating DHS, Tax Cuts and the war. He was Bush's biggest critic on the prosecution of the war.

McCain called Rumsfeld the worst Secretary of Defense in history.

[KnoxHarrington]

Yes because increasing taxes in a bad economy will make the problem worse. The reason we lose so many jobs overseas is because our corperate tax rate is the 2nd highest in the world.

Yeah, and the fact you can work 12 year olds in China for 18 hour days for a quarter an hour has nothing to do with it. Fucking taxes, man.

[JerseySean]

Yeah, and the fact you can work 12 year olds in China for 18 hour days for a quarter an hour has nothing to do with it. Fucking taxes, man.

The intitial expense of moving overseas coupled with the lack of local control over your product would keep people here if their taxes werent so high

[K.C.]

McCain called Rumsfeld the worst Secretary of Defense in history.

That's kind of stating the obvious, though, isn't it?

[JerseySean]

That's kind of stating the obvious, though, isn't it?

To be honest I disagree but Im not getting into it.